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What is your honest opinion on CM Punk as a wrestler and his career?

Anonymous Sat 11 Mar 2023 20:55:31 No.9290922 View View Reply Original Report

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Your thoughts and feelings on him as a person aside, how good was he really?

Was he overrated, underrated, or about right?

With the company apprehensive to push him, did this prevent him from reaching his full potential? Or was it the right call?

Could things have worked out better with his push? Or was he just not that good?

What about his return to wrestling? Successful or no?

How does he rank for you amongst the all time greats?

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Anonymous Sat 11 Mar 2023 21:41:24 No.9291493 Report

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>>9290922
Not a fan of his

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Anonymous Sat 11 Mar 2023 21:58:36 No.9291673 Report

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CM Punk was very good at points in his career. Phil Brooks however is one of the all-time biggest faggot dipshits in wrestling history. If literally every person who has ever known you goes on to hate you, then you’re probably an insufferable cunt.

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Anonymous Sat 11 Mar 2023 22:29:38 No.9291991 Report

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not pushing him was the right call because he was ratings cancer, also he's a whiny diva. But I enjoyed him in SES and the heel portion of his title run. His AEW return was underwhelming aside from the MJF feud.

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Anonymous Sat 11 Mar 2023 22:39:14 No.9292101 Report

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Talking about only his WWE run, he was a great wrestler imo and one of my favorites since I stopped watching WWE for a few years and returned in 2011 only to see the same stale product and just I was about to stop watching again the pipebomb happened and punk re-ignited the love of wrestling in me, which lasts to this day

He was at the right place at the right time and he definitely back ot up in the ring and on the mic imo, but he was a difficult person to work with as it seems (and always did), so on one hand as a self proclaimed punk mark I always wanted him to get the spotlight and hated shit like Cena vs Johnny Ace being booked over his WWE title matches, but on the other he most likely wouldn't have the right working mentality to hold that spot

In the fed they like people who handle themselves a certain way, politics and all, and punk just wasn't playing ball so he got the best he could I think

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Anonymous Sat 11 Mar 2023 22:52:46 No.9292238 Report

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>>9290922
Punk is a storyteller, not a fighter. He is fine at creating stories but bad in his body.
His WWE run was good, but he ate his own farts to think he was Cena or Rock level. Good for a while but never the main guy.
AEW was even the same. Tony wanted to make him THE GUY but he couldn't, as before.
CM Punk is fine. Phil Brook is not.
Phil destoyed his career in 3 companies, his ego was to big for them and his desire to be more that he could have made him see as a loser, which made him even more spiteful towards everyone. Phil destoyed his 15+ years friendship just to no pay cents to a friend. Phil got destoryed on a UFC ring in front of everyone, twice and he couldn't let go of that. Phil exploted when someone just say something mean to him. Phil wanted the attention and money so he came back when his body was even worse than before. Phil wanted the main event and got it. Phil believed everyone will work for him and around him, not for everyone.
And Phil now is hated on the last place he was remembered as a good figure.
Wrestling fans are dumb and most likely will forgive CM Punk but not Phil. His career may be over now.
And the fault was his.

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Anonymous Sat 11 Mar 2023 23:02:27 No.9292304 Report

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>>9290922
Good promos, obviously. Unathletic borderline shitter from a technical standpoint, but an excellent in ring storyteller which is more important.
>What about his return to wrestling? Successful or no?
He made bank, so yeah
How does he rank for you amongst the all time greats?
Top 100-ish

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Anonymous Sat 11 Mar 2023 23:13:24 No.9292402 Report

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Punk did have legitimate gripes about the way he was treated in WWE, but he destroyed any sympathy a thinking person could have for him by his behavior in AEW run.

Other than maybe WCW-era Hulk Hogan, no pro-wrestler has ever been given such a great opportunity for a comeback run, and he blew his chance in a year. Even his injuries were his own damn fault. All he did was prove every word of shit ever talked about him was true.

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Anonymous Sat 11 Mar 2023 23:20:13 No.9292463 Report

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>>9290922
extremely overrated
and my his own metrics he failed at being a wrestler

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Anonymous Sat 11 Mar 2023 23:21:33 No.9292473 Report

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>>9290922
SES and some of 2011 was based. Other than that high-mid.

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Anonymous Sat 11 Mar 2023 23:22:14 No.9292486 Report

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>>9290922
Looking back I was too young to realize how absolutely unathletic he was and for that he is cringe. He’s good at story telling just all around fake tough guy with zero shred of being humble. He was always going to be a loser as he aged

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Anonymous Sat 11 Mar 2023 23:29:39 No.9292548 Report

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>>9290922
I honestly don't care about him. His AEW run was great for a few weeks but as things started to settle and he started actually wrestling, he started getting exposed.

He would get gassed pretty quick in matches and end up botching most of the time and having weird awkward sequences in the ring. The guy can't go, especially now with all the injuries that have piled up. I get the gist of what Punk's run in AEW would have been like. I don't need to see it anymore.

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Anonymous Sat 11 Mar 2023 23:36:40 No.9292604 Report

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>>9290922
One of the best and most charismatic promo and storyteller of all time. His brief AEW run was good-great the whole way through. It slowed down during the Hangman feud, when it was obvious that they needed to turn him heel.

Phil Brooks himself is a cancer. The real question though is whether putting up with him is worth his objectively good qualities.

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Anonymous Sat 11 Mar 2023 23:39:29 No.9292629 Report

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>>9290922
Its all been downhill since SES

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Anonymous Sat 11 Mar 2023 23:41:36 No.9292648 Report

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I'd guess he's maybe worth about 100k viewers and 10k PPV buys, and that's being generous. Ratings and buys were starting to go down while he was still there every week

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Anonymous Sat 11 Mar 2023 23:41:53 No.9292652 Report

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>Was he overrated, underrated, or about right?
Difficult to say. Definitely overrated by ultra-smarks, underrated by hardcore WWE fans/SCJerk trannies and rated ultimately pretty fairly by the fed.
>With the company apprehensive to push him, did this prevent him from reaching his full potential? Or was it the right call?
I don't think the fed was apprehensive in pushing him at all. He had a huge, controversial and pretty edgy angle designed around him during the Summer of Punk and went on to hold the title for 434 days, face the Undertaker at WM, Lesnar at SummerSlam etc.
>Could things have worked out better with his push? Or was he just not that good?
I'd argue he did very good for himself. Looked nothing like the typical WWE guy, but got to be one of the biggest stars of the PG era, pretty much purely on the back of his mic skills and charisma.
>What about his return to wrestling? Successful or no?
It came a good few years too late and the embarrassing MMA venture definitely didn't help. Wishful thinking, but he should've returned to the 'E to feud with HHH, Roman, Styles, Bryan, maybe another match with Cena or Edge etc.
>How does he rank for you amongst the all time greats?
Solid top 30.

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Anonymous Sun 12 Mar 2023 00:03:37 No.9292890 Report

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>>9290922
All-Time talker, decent in the ring but could have been much better with even just a better physique like Randy Orton's
Then we could buy him going toe-to-toe with John Cena more
I also think his gear was off the mark more often than not, like this pic related

The hair change and the theme change were both great for his big league presentation

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Anonymous Sun 12 Mar 2023 00:05:04 No.9292905 Report

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>>9292101
>He was at the right place at the right time
Realistically he was needed back in 2009
by 2011 many had already stopped watching

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Anonymous Sun 12 Mar 2023 00:06:49 No.9292929 Report

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>to think he was Cena or Rock level.
He only wasn't because he wasn't muscular enough
Certainly nobody remembers them for their in-ring work

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