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Anonymous Thu 23 Mar 2023 11:11:55 No.9437177 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>9438142 >>9438170 >>9438289 >>9438549

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Anonymous Thu 23 Mar 2023 11:18:57 No.9437214 Report

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There aren't any AJPW fans to even get mad at this

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Anonymous Thu 23 Mar 2023 13:48:44 No.9438074 Report

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Is he wrong? All Japoo has been a walking corpse for over 20 years. TNA before there was a TNA.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Mar 2023 13:50:01 No.9438084 Report

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KEK it do be like that

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Anonymous Thu 23 Mar 2023 13:54:42 No.9438127 Report

Quoted By: >>9438133

King's road is stupid and not real

wrestling is wrestling

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Anonymous Thu 23 Mar 2023 13:55:27 No.9438133 Report

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>>9438127
You are stupid and not real.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Mar 2023 13:56:05 No.9438142 Report

Quoted By: >>9438148 >>9438283

>>9437177
>King's Road in TJPW
yes

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Anonymous Thu 23 Mar 2023 13:56:42 No.9438148 Report

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>>9438142
Bitch needs to go to forward roll class.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Mar 2023 14:00:28 No.9438170 Report

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>>9437177
He is right. Kings Road was style was brought over to NOAH during the exodus. Now Akiyama is in DDT trying to keep it alive and impart his knowledge to the anti dimes next generation of shitters just like himself. AJPW is nothing more than moves spam after moves spam with hardly any selling. It looks like a 2010 ROH clone these days

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Anonymous Thu 23 Mar 2023 14:01:25 No.9438175 Report

Quoted By: >>9438271 >>9438278 >>9440648 >>9440926 >>9441028

You Know the funniest thing about King's Road

Nobody can explain what it is

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Anonymous Thu 23 Mar 2023 14:20:42 No.9438271 Report

Quoted By: >>9438683 >>9440926

>>9438175
choppa

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Anonymous Thu 23 Mar 2023 14:22:48 No.9438278 Report

Quoted By: >>9438424 >>9440926

>>9438175
taking shoot neck/spine bumps and choppas for dango and a handshake

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Mar 2023 14:24:18 No.9438283 Report

Quoted By: >>9438523

>>9438142
did they start copying scardom and not bother to train the new players?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Mar 2023 14:26:10 No.9438289 Report

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>>9437177
Endobros... we won the story.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Mar 2023 14:49:38 No.9438424 Report

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>>9438278
>for dango and a handshake
>not "dango and a bow down"
Wasted opportunity

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Mar 2023 15:02:55 No.9438523 Report

Quoted By: >>9440985

>>9438283
TJPW trainees are always awful when they debut, it's just not as noticeable because they tend to stick to basic trainee moves most of the time. If all you do is forearms and dropkicks you're not going to be starring in a lot of botch webms
In Stardom it's glaringly obvious if people suck because they'll be constantly fucking up a bunch of complicated movez that everyone is required to do

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Anonymous Thu 23 Mar 2023 15:06:48 No.9438549 Report

Quoted By: >>9438609

>>9437177
Unify which titles?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Mar 2023 15:16:11 No.9438609 Report

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>>9438549
Kenoh has the All Japan tag belts before that he failed to get the GHC tag belts and is challenging for DragonGate's Twingate tag belts with Shuji Kondo

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Anonymous Thu 23 Mar 2023 15:28:10 No.9438683 Report

Quoted By: >>9438879

>>9438271
is it really? modern strong style also consists of choppa
king's road is more about building up to the big spot (aka necking yourself)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Mar 2023 15:54:03 No.9438879 Report

Quoted By: >>9439369

>>9438683
Strong style doesn't even really exist anymore. The modern NJPW style has way more in common with classic King's Road than it does with 90s NJPW

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Anonymous Thu 23 Mar 2023 16:01:06 No.9438928 Report

Quoted By: >>9440937

DDT>NJPW>Noah>AJPW

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Anonymous Thu 23 Mar 2023 16:51:01 No.9439369 Report

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>>9438879
No it doesn't. Modern NJPW is soft and is overly reliant on reversals.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Mar 2023 18:56:46 No.9440648 Report

Quoted By: >>9440665 >>9440917 >>9440926

>>9438175
Strong Style is influenced by shoot fighting with an emphasis on physicality and "realism", good strikes and submissions, etc. and was reliant on a lot of the wrestlers having martial arts backgrounds. King's Road is about the dramatic build of a match, starting small and growing bigger as it goes, the emphasis is on growth and overcoming limits which is why fighting spirit and big and increasingly dangerous moves are/were so common.

Ultimately in the end, King's Road won and has become the dominant style of puroresu and probably wrestling as a whole. NJPW doesn't do Strong Style anymore, it does King's Road.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Mar 2023 18:58:30 No.9440665 Report

Quoted By: >>9440917 >>9441901

>>9440648
>starting small and growing bigger as it goes

No offense, but that sounds like every wrestling match ever (well, until recent times)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Mar 2023 19:19:05 No.9440917 Report

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>>9440648
King's Road sounds like an awesome style
I want to do it, combined with strong style
>>9440665
not even close
modern wrestling psychology has no sense of build or power scaling, there are spotmonkeys in every promotion who do piledrivers mid-match, finisher spam, multiple ddt's, etc.

they DO NOT do king's road, or they are garbage at it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Mar 2023 19:19:23 No.9440926 Report

Quoted By: >>9440961

>>9438175
>>9438271
>>9438278
>>9440648
The difference between King's Road and Strong Style is very marked and obvious
Basically:
>Strong Style, or NJPW's marked style, was to start with a lot of chain/mat wrestling combined with rough brawling/shooter type striking
>King's Road substituted striking for the chain wrestling/early portion of the match and focused more on big high impact wrestling moves (with lengthy selling)
But watching NJPW or AJPW/NOAH back in the Showa era, the differences were pretty clear. If you go watch, say, Mutoh vs. Chono in their most famous G1 final and then Misawa/Kobashi, you'll notice way more chain wrestling (Billy Robinson/Inoki type stuff) in NJPW rounded out by Choshu-style brawling and more strikes/big moves/long sells in AJPW/NOAH.

like the other anon said, NJPW has basically adapted King's Road along with the rest of puro as the "puro style".

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Anonymous Thu 23 Mar 2023 19:20:34 No.9440937 Report

Quoted By: >>9441954

>>9438928
in terms of?

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Anonymous Thu 23 Mar 2023 19:22:34 No.9440961 Report

Quoted By: >>9440989

>>9440926
real good looking strikes is awesome
chain wrestling is great
mat wrestling sucks

overly long selling sucks when it's not closing out the match

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Mar 2023 19:23:12 No.9440969 Report

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Well, the end destination of king's road is literally killing yourself with increasingly more dangerous moves. It stands to reason it had to come to an end, look at what happened to a large portion of the wrestlers active during its peak. Can't scale up forever.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Mar 2023 19:24:56 No.9440985 Report

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>>9438523
the undercarders like hoguma aren't required to do anything complicated
upper midcard is where the differences in mastery are forced out due to what you say

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Anonymous Thu 23 Mar 2023 19:25:26 No.9440989 Report

Quoted By: >>9442209

>>9440961
>overly long selling sucks when it's not closing out the match
Big disagree. It really helps put over a move for me, like webm related. I love when guys roll outside and sell something like death, or the ref gets involved to try and revive someone, or asks them to quit. (Wada Kyohei was the GOAT at this in AJPW)

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Anonymous Thu 23 Mar 2023 19:28:47 No.9441028 Report

Quoted By: >>9441942

>>9438175
The greatest irony of all about King's Road?
what it actually is at it's core, is the Japanese interpretation of American heavyweight style wrestling. That's what Baba and AJPW was trying to imitate to separate themselves from NJPW/traditional Japanese style.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Mar 2023 20:31:23 No.9441901 Report

Quoted By: >>9442121

>>9440665
>No offense, but that sounds like every wrestling match ever
King's Road borrowed that from American wrestling because Baba spent most of his first few years in the United States and AJPW always had a very strong contingent of foreigners, just minus the big gimmicks and angles with more emphasis on the stories being told in the ring than in promos and stuff.

And again, you weren't opening matches with Canadian Destroyers and whatnot, it would build up to those big moves.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Mar 2023 20:34:42 No.9441942 Report

Quoted By: >>9442148

>>9441028
This. Baba wanted big boys going at it like he saw overseas with NWA talents. It's why he had an eye for bringing in/producing talent that fit a certain style and also why he had this strange hatred for submissions and those who used them to finish matches.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Mar 2023 20:35:24 No.9441954 Report

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>>9440937
My enjoyment

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Anonymous Thu 23 Mar 2023 20:49:15 No.9442121 Report

Quoted By: >>9442174

>>9441901
>you weren't opening matches with Canadian Destroyers and whatnot, it would build up to those big moves.
Eh, sometimes they were. In one of the Misawa vs. Vader matches the very first thing they do is start teasing a German suplex and after literally 2 minutes Misawa has been spiked straight on his head 3 times in a row. Doing something big right away to heat the crowd up fast is pretty common

The point about building to the big moves is what makes it not just mindless spot spam. The high spots (in good examples of the style) are paced out very carefully. You tease something, pay it off right away, and then cool off a little bit before you do it again.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Mar 2023 20:52:00 No.9442148 Report

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>>9441942
I hate submissions now too after thinking about if lately because once you lock them in the match should theoretically be over but it never is

they are EXACTLY like piledrivers

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Mar 2023 20:53:37 No.9442174 Report

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>>9442121
>and then cool off a little bit
I hate this
resting periods is only not noticed by marks

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Mar 2023 20:55:41 No.9442209 Report

Quoted By: >>9442727

>>9440989
exiting the ring is one of my biggest pet peeves and I usually stop watching a match when I see it

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Anonymous Thu 23 Mar 2023 21:25:38 No.9442727 Report

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>>9442209
One thing people overlook about AJPW is that they had a SHITLOAD of DQs and Dusty finishes basically all the time which would give way, finally, to a big match where you would get a clean finish. This was Baba's hallmark as a booker and if you go watch the old AJPW television broadcasts, you'll see it pretty much every single episode.

So I love it when it's done right. Referee discretion makes perfect sense with this style of booking and it's sort of been adopted into the fabric of puro as a whole. The referee takes on somewhat of a sumo judge's role as well, encouraging the fighters to fight hard and keep their fighting spirit up. So if a guy gets killed with a bump and rolls outside to recover, it builds tension as long as it's in a well-built finale of a match where flexibility from the official is warranted.

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