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Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 16:27:42 No.9620146 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>9620175 >>9620201 >>9620228 >>9620239 >>9620308 >>9620548 >>9621524 >>9621548 >>9621563 >>9621670 >>9622318

Actual genius or did he just get lucky with Hogan, Austin, Rock and Cena?

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Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 16:29:18 No.9620175 Report

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>>9620146
he got lucky with Shawn Michaels
IF YA KNOW WHAT I MEAN

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Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 16:30:58 No.9620201 Report

Quoted By: >>9621751 >>9621972

>>9620146
he got lucky when he was born

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Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 16:32:23 No.9620228 Report

Quoted By: >>9620337 >>9620377 >>9620420

>>9620146
Cena was never a draw in fact he was just proto-roman
He never wanted to push Steve Austin, he wanted him to be a career midcarder
He never wanted Rock to get promo time, he wanted him to be Rocky Miavia
Randy Savage and his father were credited for creating Hulkamania, Vince didn't do that either
Bret Hart was their biggest draw after the WMV disaster, and Vince jobbed him out to Yokozuna only to have Hogan win it in 15 seconds despite Hogan already being a anti draw by then
He had Ric Flair, Randy Savage in their prime with Bret Hart, The Undertaker and Shawn Michaels and still managed to fuck it up.
He let Triple H and Shawn Michaels politic the company into the ground after Bret Hart's departure
Everyone backstage told him pushing Triple H was a bad idea, and Vince insisted on it anyway.
The Austin heel turn was his idea because he believed he was a bigger draw as a heel than Austin was as a babyface, despite fans booing the shit out of Rock for months leading up to WM17

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Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 16:32:58 No.9620239 Report

Quoted By: >>9620285

>>9620146
Vince has always had a mind for business, smarks said that Linda was behind the expansion of WWE as a global company but it was Vince.

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Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 16:34:41 No.9620267 Report

Quoted By: >>9620312

Cena wasn't luck Cena was made when the company was still riding off of the momentum of the AE and they had the ability to build a star

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Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 16:35:31 No.9620285 Report

Quoted By: >>9620312

>>9620239
>Vince has always had a mind for business
That's why every business he's ventured on, outside his dad's creation, has succeeded. Based Vince.

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Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 16:36:30 No.9620308 Report

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>>9620146
Vince isn't a creative genius by any means, let's make that clear.

But he's a creative genius when it comes to business and he understands how to be a boss and owner. He is masterclass promoter, of his point of view, and people (including Jim Cornette) have regularly shot on his ability to convince people to go along with anything.

People underestimate just how difficult conflict resolution and being an authority figure people look up to and trust really is. Vince, for whatever reason, is naturally gifted at it. He got Bret Hart to forgive him. He got Linda not to divorce him. He got a company to give him a massive payday and still let him keep his own.

That isn't luck. That's strategic genius. He has regularly stepped over dimes to make pennies, but he has never once been in danger of losing.

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Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 16:36:47 No.9620312 Report

Quoted By: >>9620347

>>9620285
He's failed in every venture outside of wrestling
>>9620267
Cena was luck because Vince wanted Chris Jericho to bury him at Vengeance and then fire him since Vince never saw any potential in Cena, it was Stephanie McMahon who pushed Cena. The golden boy at the time was Edge and Randy Orton

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Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 16:37:10 No.9620317 Report

Quoted By: >>9620363

He basically invented US wrestling

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Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 16:37:26 No.9620322 Report

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>bought*

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Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 16:38:08 No.9620337 Report

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>>9620228
massive cope

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Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 16:38:15 No.9620342 Report

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80s wwf was all vince's marketing vision for a family friendly, mainstream entertainment show. obviously he needed hulk too, they needed each other, but the merchandising, the "sports entertainment" presentation that made wwf a huge household name was all vince's vision. he maybe became out of touch later on but in the 80s he knew precisely what he was doing

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Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 16:38:32 No.9620347 Report

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>>9620312
>He's failed in every venture outside of wrestling
Based Mince.

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Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 16:39:26 No.9620363 Report

Quoted By: >>9620428 >>9620715

>>9620337
Yeah you are coping faggot.
>>9620317
NWA did that, Vince just leeched off the other promotions and hoarded established stars

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Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 16:40:15 No.9620377 Report

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>>9620228
>Randy Savage and his father were credited for creating Hulkamania, Vince didn't do that either
When did Randy Savage and Hulk Hogan first meet?

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Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 16:42:29 No.9620420 Report

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>>9620228
>Randy Savage and his father
Correction, Hogan said it was just Angelo Poffo actually. Though you can argue Macho Man did help a lot with the mega powers

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Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 16:43:01 No.9620428 Report

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>>9620363
nah, US wrestling was different.

Now every promotion follows that WWE TV oriented model

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Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 16:52:14 No.9620548 Report

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>>9620146
with inflation ia like the same money?

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Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 17:01:46 No.9620715 Report

Quoted By: >>9620727

>>9620363
massive cope, seek help for your VDS

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Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 17:02:23 No.9620727 Report

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>>9620715
Bitchtits once again spamming his usual buzzwords and coming to defend the honour of masta vince

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Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 17:06:05 No.9620793 Report

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>>9620727
seek help and lose weight, you look like a cross dressing baboon ojama

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Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 17:06:51 No.9620812 Report

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>>9620727
Sup Jason ya fat spic why’d you post in a pedophile sub about wanting to molest your nephew

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Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 17:07:19 No.9620822 Report

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>>9620793
Right on cue, you make it too obvious. Everyone knows it's you because you always repost the same exact lines and always sperg out at people with "Ojama"

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Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 17:30:12 No.9621199 Report

Quoted By: >>9621914

Pro wrestling went from smoke-filled arenas of rednecks, carnies, fat bloated alcoholics doing 10 minute sleepers and rest holds and brawls to viable family entertainment under McMahon. By WrestleMania 1, it was unheard of and unfathomable to have Liberace and The Rockette's on a wrestling card, never mind the wrestlers becoming toys and action figures. By WM 14, wrestlers were appearing on the cover of TV Guide and showing up at awards shows and making tv appearances outside of the ring. It went from a strange past time entertainment for poor working class to something that was in demand and watched by children and families on Saturday mornings. This would have never happened under a board of squabbling N.W.A territory owners. Vince and them weren't on the same level. They would never have thought of something like WrestleMania 2 being simulcasted from three separate arenas. None of them were as forward thinking as him. They had no qualms about making it clear that they were not happy with a lot of what he was doing and made it clear they were either going to fuck with him the entire way like trying to get Sheik to break Hulk's leg or outright talking about rubbing the guy out like the mob. That's probably why he had no problem outright buying or just steamrolling over other territories with impunity. If it wasn't him, it was gonna be one of them, but they would have never done what he did and all who tried riding his coat tails with his formula failed. And he's still doing it. People made fun of him when he launched the Network and indeed it was shakey for a few years, and not only did it catch on, other corporations launched their own.

A good majority of people here wouldn't even be aware of wrestling without McMahon making the loud noise that he did to get eyeballs on his brand and product. Drive and ambition and forward thinking had a lot to do with it.

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Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 17:47:51 No.9621524 Report

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>>9620146
He was lucky that his only competition (WCW) was run by carnies that despite almost deliberately destroying the company were still outdrawing WWF.

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Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 17:49:30 No.9621548 Report

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>>9620146
>Vince can turn 1 milly into 9 billy
>Tony has spent 9 billy and can't get 1 milly

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Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 17:50:46 No.9621563 Report

Quoted By: >>9621809

>>9620146
vince mcmahon is a millionaire that should be a billionaire... wait

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Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 17:57:08 No.9621670 Report

Quoted By: >>9621986

>>9620146
Vince only had two things -- balls and insanity, so he did what no rational man in his position would ever do. No bookers ever did what he did because they were grounded and intelligent and reasonable. It is a fact that Vince became successful because he is Vince, if he had been normal God knows he probably wouldn't have been half as successful. But genius definitely wasn't part of it, it was all a culmination of balls, stubbornness insanity and luck. All of his defining stars were lightning in a bottle. He mostly failed upwards if we're being honest.

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Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 17:58:13 No.9621693 Report

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>>9621548
This is a clearly observable and measurable fact that fat salty smarks will never accept.

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Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 18:01:29 No.9621751 Report

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>>9620201
Shut your mouth resentful tranny.
If a communist like you had been born in the same conditions, you would never have achieved anything.

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Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 18:04:55 No.9621809 Report

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>>9621563
PHIL BTFO!

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Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 18:06:50 No.9621841 Report

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Vince inherited the largest wrestling promotion... and made it the largest wrestling promotion. Where's the achievement? The only reason that his father didn't gobble up the territories is because out of his own principles, not because he couldn't foresee the absolute "genius" strategic move.

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Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 18:10:04 No.9621914 Report

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>>9621199
25PBP

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Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 18:12:30 No.9621972 Report

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>>9620201
Then what's Tony's excuse?

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Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 18:13:16 No.9621986 Report

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>>9621670
>have lex luger jump ship from WCW
>luger has only been successful as a heel, worked as one most of his career and is genuinely not a nice or friendly person IRL
>give him an ultra patriotic white meat babyface gimmick immediately after the USSR collapsed and we kicked Iraq's ass (at the time the 4th most powerful military in the world, on paper) in one of the most lopsided wars between peers ever seen in human history

>have steve austin
>want to call him "chilly mcfreeze"
>the best you could come up with is having him be ted dibiase's lackey half a decade after he was a main eventer

>have the rock
>call him rocky maivia
>give him the absolute faggiest, astroturfed good guy push ever seen and keep it going even when the entire building is shitting on him

Vince has never actually had a homegrown star that he made except for The Rock and that was only because of literally everyone fighting Vince's retarded ideas at every turn. It took Pat Patterson, Vince Russo, Bruce Prichard, Jim Cornette, Jerry Brisco, Bret Hart and Jay Strongbow ALL telling Vince it was a shitty idea to keep trying something the audience is completely rejecting. Now who does he have to push back on it?

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Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 18:28:48 No.9622318 Report

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>>9620146
really

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Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 18:42:50 No.9622572 Report

Quoted By: >>9622911

Vince is a genius in two things.

1. Aggressive acquisition of talent
>This lead to the expansion and death of the territories

2. Branding and brand protection
>This lead to the establishment of the WWE as a mainstream name known in homes and going forwarded has prevented stars from pulling like some of the oldies and becoming bigger in name then as a wrestler able to leverage their name elsewhere

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Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 19:02:28 No.9622911 Report

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>>9622572
>Branding and brand protection
Literally got BTFO by the world panda society

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