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Bretbros... how do we cope? How do we spin this?

Anonymous Wed 12 Apr 2023 01:29:05 No.9758241 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>9758284 >>9758469 >>9758537 >>9758548 >>9758554 >>9758783 >>9759818 >>9760003 >>9760878 >>9761889 >>9761902 >>9762028

>RAW 28/07/97 (SummerSlam Go-Home Show): 2.9
>SummerSlam '97 (Bret Hart wins WWF Title)
>RAW 04/08/97: 2.7
>RAW 11/08/97: 2.9
>RAW 18/08/97: 3.2
>RAW 08/09/97: 2.2
>RAW 15/09/97: 2.6
>RAW 22/09/97: 2.4
>RAW 29/09/97: 2.7
>RAW 06/10/97: 3.0
>RAW 13/10/97: 2.3
>RAW 20/10/97: 2.9
>RAW 27/10/97: 2.3
>RAW 03/11/97 (Survivor Series Go-Home Show): 2.6
>Survivor Series '97 (Shawn Michaels wins WWF Title, Montreal Screwjob)
>RAW 10/11/97: 3.4
>RAW 17/11/97: 3.1
>RAW 24/11/97: 3.0
>RAW 01/12/97: 3.0
>RAW 08/12/97: 3.0
>RAW 15/12/97: 2.7
>RAW 22/12/97: 3.1
>RAW 29/12/97: 3.6

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Anonymous Wed 12 Apr 2023 01:31:42 No.9758279 Report

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It was a gay magazine.

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Anonymous Wed 12 Apr 2023 01:31:52 No.9758284 Report

Quoted By: >>9758552

>>9758241
Montreal was a work conspired by Bret and Vince to get WWE over.
Bret was supposed to just leave for a few years and come back but then Owen died and Bret got fucked up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Apr 2023 01:43:41 No.9758469 Report

Quoted By: >>9758501 >>9758580 >>9758782 >>9760856 >>9760871 >>9762051

>>9758241
The reality is, neither HBK nor Bret were mainstream draws. What do you want me to say here? Both shawncels and bretfags are arguing over overrated dipshits who could never draw dimes. Bretfags tend to be the most obnoxious, they're more likely to be terminally online like FTR Bald or the OSW boys.

Bret was good, but people forget that the 5 move style is all because of him. He's the one who reduced wrestling from working the crowd into a predictable routine of get my shit in spots. Flippy shit where you don't really do psychology, it's all a form of his 5MOD style. He'd go out there, do his well executed spots, oh look opponent is injured better target it, 5mod, 123 and go home. Every Bret match is largely the same, and only top tier talent could break this boring mold, like Stone Cold and Owen.
The fact of the matter is, Bret is an old bitter fuck, angry at the industry that passed him by in fucking 97 no less. He was never the best, he was never truly great. He was average in an age of complete no talent shitters until actual talent showed up and passed him by. Bret is angry that he got the chance to put the company on his back, and he failed. He never learned from his mistakes, he just bitterly whines. He whines about Mox being too gory and bloody (like Bret never did his blood spots or made SCSA famous via bloody pass out). Then he whines about psychology. Then he whines about Goldberg as if Bret wasn't already over the hill by then. This nigga spent the better part of his life whining about wrestling saying the same shit for decades.

This is a note to everyone reading this. Do what you can to never be like Bret. Don't be a crybaby bitch. A little is fine, but Bret has spent his LIFE whining about wrestling. That's his LIFE. Imagine that shit, almost 30 years of your life bitterly bitching. That's his legacy. Some decent to good wrestling in the early 90s and then decades of bitching.
HBK isn't innocent either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Apr 2023 01:45:24 No.9758501 Report

Quoted By: >>9758522

>>9758469
fine speech

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Apr 2023 01:46:01 No.9758522 Report

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>>9758501
Thanks, John.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Apr 2023 01:46:33 No.9758537 Report

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>>9758241
Wrestling doesn't draw

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Apr 2023 01:47:20 No.9758548 Report

Quoted By: >>9758679

>>9758241
To be fair, Sting v The nWo was FUCKING HUGE

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Apr 2023 01:47:33 No.9758552 Report

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>>9758284
russo presided over booking owen's death and bret's injury due to goldberg
then bret fights goldberg the next night on nitro for the title with the figure four.
russo only learns bret is concussed after the goldberg matches, bret is undefeated against goldberg
bret fights terry funk on thunder, the last part of the match including the finish isn't shown on screen, they cut away to show some nonsense backstage
bret is still technically the wcw champion as he never lost the title, making it the longest world title reign in wrestling

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Apr 2023 01:47:36 No.9758554 Report

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>>9758241
Now do Shawn and Diesel

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Apr 2023 01:48:51 No.9758571 Report

Quoted By: >>9762794

metzler doesn't matter

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Anonymous Wed 12 Apr 2023 01:49:12 No.9758580 Report

Quoted By: >>9758886

>>9758469
>Imagine that shit, almost 30 years of your life bitterly bitching.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Apr 2023 01:55:16 No.9758679 Report

Quoted By: >>9758710

>>9758548
But but, "WCW was garbage" even in 1997 according to the expert.
https://youtu.be/aM2JznPBkaM

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Apr 2023 01:57:29 No.9758710 Report

Quoted By: >>9758745 >>9758747 >>9758764

>>9758679
Something being popular doesn't mean it was good. WCW was always dogshit just had some cool guys in it

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Apr 2023 02:00:47 No.9758745 Report

Quoted By: >>9762760

>>9758710
That doesn't apply to WCW though, especially in 1996-1997. It was both popular and entertaining to watch. They had great wrestling in the mid-card and cruiserweight matches to start the night off hot, and you then had the big storylines involving the larger than life personalities. Nothing in 1996 or 1997 WWF compares other than maybe the organic rise of Austin from a midcarder to a main eventer. That's it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Apr 2023 02:01:03 No.9758747 Report

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>>9758710
WCW had the best storyline i've ever seen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJIqK31A6lg
barry darsow has amnesia and reverts back to his 80s gimmick, Krusher Khruschev. it's absolutely brilliant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Apr 2023 02:02:24 No.9758764 Report

Quoted By: >>9758846

>>9758710
WCW 97 is one of the greatest years of wrestling ever.
Mondays felt special

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Apr 2023 02:03:42 No.9758782 Report

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>>9758469
Promo's good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Apr 2023 02:03:44 No.9758783 Report

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>>9758241
They have so many copes in their arsenal. Don't even bother.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Apr 2023 02:08:13 No.9758846 Report

Quoted By: >>9758879 >>9760450

>>9758764
Cornette's 1997 WWF was a great year too

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Apr 2023 02:10:50 No.9758879 Report

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>>9758846
Yes it was.
97 was the real war, friend-o.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Apr 2023 02:11:27 No.9758886 Report

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>>9758580
LMAO

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Apr 2023 03:43:48 No.9759818 Report

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>>9758241
yikes

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Apr 2023 03:59:25 No.9760003 Report

Quoted By: >>9762777

>>9758241
oof
looking at the ppv buyrates must be rough for Bretbros too
>WrestleMania 13: 0.77 (worldwide buys: 237,000)
>WrestleMania XIV: 2.30 (worldwide buys: 730,000)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Apr 2023 04:45:02 No.9760450 Report

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>>9758846
Cornettes and Russo's*

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Apr 2023 05:40:00 No.9760856 Report

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>>9758469
I agree. Quality post.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Apr 2023 05:42:32 No.9760871 Report

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>>9758469
Bretcucks utterly eviscerated forever

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Apr 2023 05:42:57 No.9760878 Report

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>>9758241
Test?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Apr 2023 09:34:44 No.9761889 Report

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>>9758241
huh

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Apr 2023 09:37:38 No.9761902 Report

Quoted By: >>9762979

>>9758241
Imagine how much worst it would have been without Bret Hart. As for the spike, you can Austin for that, who was handpicked and made by Bret. Based Bret Hart, putting the business first.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Apr 2023 09:55:19 No.9761970 Report

Quoted By: >>9763049

Shawn was the guy for a year before that and tanked the business, the spike wasn't due to him

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Anonymous Wed 12 Apr 2023 10:09:04 No.9762028 Report

Quoted By: >>9762119

>>9758241
> Royal Rumble PPV buyrates:
(1.10) - Bret Hart vs. Taker - RR 96
(1.00) - Diesel vs. Bret Hart - RR 95
(0.90) - Yokozuna vs. Taker - RR 94
(0.70) - HBK vs. Sid - RR 97

> WrestleMania PPV buyrates:
(1.68 grossing $5.2 million) - Bret Hart vs. Yokozuna - WM 94
(1.40 grossing $5.1 million) - Diesel vs. HBK - WM 95
(1.20 grossing $4.0 million) - HBK vs. Bret Hart - WM 96
(0.77 grossing $2.5 million) - Taker vs. Sid - WM 97

> King of the Ring PPV buyrates:
(0.85) - Piper vs. Lawler - KOTR 94
(0.65 ) - Diesel/Bigelow vs. Sid/Tatanka - KOTR 95
(0.60) - HBK vs. Bulldog - KOTR 96
(0.50) - Taker vs. Farooq - KOTR 97

> Diesel/HBK comparison:
(1.00) RR 95 - (0.70) RR 97 (bigger draw = Diesel)
(1.40) WM 95 - (1.20) WM 96 (bigger draw = Diesel)
(0.83) IYH May 95 - (0.45) IYH May 96 (bigger draw = Diesel)
(0.65) KOTR 95 - (0.60) KOTR 96 (bigger draw = Diesel)
(0.70) IYH July 95 - (0.37) IYH July 96 (bigger draw = Diesel)
(0.90) SS 95 - (0.58) SS 96 (bigger draw = Diesel)
(0.70) IYH Sept 95 - (0.48) IYH Sept 96 (bigger draw = Diesel)
(0.57) SS 95 - (0.58) SS 96 (bigger draw = HBK...barely by 0.01)

As you can see Shawn Michaels was a worse draw than Nash who is widely thought of as the worst drawing champ of all time. If you was sentient in the 90s and not an underage kliqfraggle you would know that no one liked shawn other than homosexuals and women

Savour and enjoy yet another BTFOing m8, get to the back of the line and bring a lunch next time you want to step up to Bretchad

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Anonymous Wed 12 Apr 2023 10:18:00 No.9762051 Report

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>>9758469
Why cant he wrestle with a concussion? Kurt angle and foley wrestled in way worse conditions and didnt foley get a concussion from hell in the cell? What gives?

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Anonymous Wed 12 Apr 2023 10:31:47 No.9762119 Report

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>>9762028
>Best There Is
>Best There Was
>Best There Ever Will Be
Based Bret Hart.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Apr 2023 10:45:58 No.9762155 Report

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Is this a boomer containment thread? That's literally all I see

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Apr 2023 12:44:16 No.9762760 Report

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>>9758745
>muh cruiserweights and yummy wummy workrate!
>muh evil faction of 30 guys who all wore black and acted exactly the same!
WWF was better even before they started winning the ratings. Go back and watch WWF from 97 now and all the stuff with Bret, HBK, Taker, Sid, the Nation, etc as well as Austin is cooler than what WCW was doing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Apr 2023 12:46:46 No.9762777 Report

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>>9760003
I'm sure more people bought 14 because Bret was gone right? Had nothing to do with that Tyson fella or anything...

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Apr 2023 12:50:20 No.9762794 Report

Quoted By: >>9762834 >>9762929

He was a great worker, but was there ever a worse fitting top guy in history? He was under six feet tall, had little natural charisma and average microphone ability, only drew in his home country, and is synonymous with the dark ages of the WWF. Triple H's reign of terror pushed a lot of viewers away but at least H felt like a star, same with Roman today.

>>9758571
lmao its buy numbers not good goy stars

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Apr 2023 12:58:14 No.9762834 Report

Quoted By: >>9762929

>>9762794
>had little natural charisma and average microphone ability
False, especially compared to the 2 shitters you compare him to right after this.
>and is synonymous with the dark ages of the WWF.
Those ages would have been a lot darker without him. And WWF began their upswing back when he was not only still there, but the cause of a lot of it. Now if you want to talk downswings...
>Triple H's reign of terror pushed a lot of viewers away but at least H felt like a star, same with Roman today.
Putting aside that Triple H and his wife were literally the ones booking him like a star, the only reason he was relatively well known is that he was around for (but not the cause of) the good times. Once he was carrying the ball after Rock and Austin were gone, the ratings started plummeting.
And don't even go there with Roman, one of the biggest jokes in wrestling history. Bret was a big name in the 90s. He wasn't a household name like Hogan but people who didn't obsessively follow wrestling knew who he was. Who the fuck knows who Roman is besides autists and pajeets?

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Anonymous Wed 12 Apr 2023 13:15:01 No.9762929 Report

Quoted By: >>9762971

>>9762794
>>9762834
Just a reminder that Bret Hart is the only wrestler to have been in a Simpsons episode back when that fucking meant something. Even Hogan, Austin, and Rock can't boast that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Apr 2023 13:20:08 No.9762971 Report

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>>9762929
Yeah and this was not only when wrestling was actually cool but the Simpsons were still cool as well, IE before they had celebs on getting their ass kissed every week.
I miss the 90s.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Apr 2023 13:20:27 No.9762979 Report

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>>9761902
That’s like blaming 96s ratings on hbk when Bret left to sabotage him, the outsiders went to wcw and the only guy on hbks level was taker who they refused to turn heel. If taker turned heel and feuded with hbk after wrestlemania 12 the ratings inarguably would have been better. There would have been no mick foley but that’s a different matter

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Apr 2023 13:27:34 No.9763049 Report

Quoted By: >>9763107

>>9761970
Who did Shawn have to feud with? No Nash hall or hart the only guy that was on his level was undertaker and he was a babyface. Russo turned undertaker heel for austin in 1999 and they got their best ratings since hogan v andre but those two geniuses Pritchard and cornette didn’t think to turn him and then cornette spends 25 years burying shawn

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Apr 2023 13:34:04 No.9763107 Report

Quoted By: >>9763162

>>9763049
Shawn should have been the heel though. "Cocky male stripper" is one of the worst miscastings for top face I can think of.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Apr 2023 13:41:06 No.9763162 Report

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>>9763107
Cool, that’s fine by me but taker v hbk should have been the feud from wrestlemania to survivor series.

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