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Renovatio Imperii Quest

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sat 09 Apr 2022 12:07:06 No.5223723 View View Reply Original Report

Anno Domini 1071

The reigning Emperor is dead. Fallen in battle against barbarian invaders. Little is known of whom shall assume the title of Imperator, Basileús kai Autokrátōr Thephaiōn (General, Sovereign and Autocrat of Thephians). But it’s not like the fate of a thousand-year-old Empire matters much to you. It has ebbed and waned for centuries now, but it always retained power and splendour enough to bounce back and stabilize, and you are sure it will continue to do so for a thousand years more. Well, you would assume so had you the faintest inkling of what is happening in the outside world.

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sat 09 Apr 2022 12:07:42 No.5223725 Report

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You are as far removed from courtly intrigues, triumphant generals, bitter losers, and endless hallways filled with silk, gold, and the finest of foods, as one can be.

You, are a peasant. A little boy of a woman that had never married. For this, both you and her were ostracized in your village. Growing up was tough, but you managed it by:

>Being stronger, faster, and sneakier than most. If there was a fight to win, you would win it. If there was a fight to lose, you would run, until you could win it. And if there was no victory to gain, you would hide. As the saying goes, practice (and a lot of bruises) makes perfect, and you are sure that when it comes to anything related to combat, you will naturally excel.

>Spending most of your time in the church. There you learnt a rare set of skills – reading and writing. You devoured every book you could get your hands on from philosophy to engineering, and bookkeeping. The local priest thought you well, and many began to have expectations that you too one day shall become one. This had given some rest to both you and your mother. With a mind for academics like yours, you are certain you will be able to comprehend even the most difficult of theories.

>Having a manner of speech able to convince people to help you count your money that you got for selling them. An exaggeration perhaps, but it nevertheless made you loved by the community. Whenever someone tried to bully you, or your mother, there would be other kids there to defend you, or adults to berate the behaviour of your would-be harassers. With such charm and wit, you are certain that no one out there could hate you.

No matter how you chose to spend your childhood, the formative years eventually saw you becoming a fine young man. Excelling in whatever field you naturally found yourself in.

It was in the winter of 1083, your 18th year on this God made world by his grace. Many of your bullies and the people you knew died. Be it disease, famine or general unrest that saw many of your elders taken to war, whilst you were just a child. You survived it all. Unfortunately, your mother had not.

Your arms burned as you buried your mother. The cold of winter biting deep into your bones, the woollen clothes of yours, and the exercise still making you sweat, was all that you could remember besides the words of the priest, asking God for mercy and redemption for your mother’s soul. Only a few came to see her final journey, too much death and suffering had made most dull towards another fallen.

Hours later, you had returned the small hut you called come, bare floor, thatched roof, wattle and daub walls. The hut itself was filled with smoke, the flames however, have long since turned to ash and embers. You will have to ask for some fire from one of your neighbours.

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sat 09 Apr 2022 12:08:43 No.5223726 Report

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>>5223725

Still, it is something you will do later, now you only want to rest. The day’s events had drained you. One thing however, haunts your thoughts as you lay on a hay-stuffed bag. Months ago, when your mother’s condition worsened, she had begged you to send out a letter. You had never known that she could write, much less afford a piece of parchment, but you nevertheless scrounged up what coins you could to afford the delivery costs. The rider was headed towards the capital – Myralos – for the price of a silver coin and half-a-dozen eggs, he also took your letter to deliver alongside dozens of others.

Just as you are recalling these old memories, you suddenly hear a knock on the door. Rising from your mat, you head towards the door. Opening it, you cannot help but feel shocked.

In front of you stands a man. Long mail armour, reaching his ankles and hands, thick padded armour going as far as the knees, over the two layers proudly shines lamellar armour. Splint, protecting the forearms and the lowers legs, polished to perfection, gleam alongside the rest of the kit, in the cold winter Sun. Splint armour, loosely hung from the waist and the shoulders, granting the man even more protection. Finally, a spangenhelm, with mail reaching below the person’s neck, blocks any sight of the face. The few things you can clearly see however, are the two swords, a mace, an axe on the belt, whilst a shield is still held in the man’s left hand.

The brilliant white plume atop the helmet, as well as the snow-white cloak on the back clearly informs you of his identity. A member of Scholae Tagmata – the royal guard of the reigning Emperor. A position you, and so many other boys and men across the Empire, at one point in their lives strived to gain.

“Manuel ?” The man’s questioning voice brings you back to reality.

“Yes.” You respond with some trepidation.

His eyes wander you up and down, then, clearly unimpressed, he says. “Gather your things, we are leaving for Myralos. You have five minutes.”

After saying so, the man walks away. With his bulk no longer taking up the entirety of the doorframe, you can see a dozen more men, dressed exactly like him next to mighty looking warhorses whom, just like their riders, are heavily armoured.

You quickly realize – running is not an option.

Closing the door, you quickly start scrambling for your things, which to be fair, are not much. Most things of value that you posses are already on your person. Your clothing, a coin pouch, which is depressingly empty, a dagger for self-defence, and lastly a simple bag with some food in it.

Walking outside, your face is bitten by the cold winds. Approaching the Scholae, you quickly spot a single horse, a peaceful looking mare, without any armour.

“Do you know how to ride ?” You recognize that voice, the same man who greeted you earlier.

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sat 09 Apr 2022 12:09:44 No.5223727 Report

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“I can try.” Is all you can muster in reply. Riding horses was a privilege afforded only to the rich, as far as you were concerned.

“Then you will have to learn fast. The mare is placid, but we will be riding at speed. Come, I will show you.” After saying so, the man begins to instruct you on how to mount the horse, stay in the saddle and maintain your balance.

A quick crash course later, you are riding at full speed and are praying for your life, trying to hold on and not be thrown down. You do not want your life to end via being crushed by a horse. Then, you finally get to rest at night, you are given enough food and drink, but the soldiers never spoke to you again, maintaining silence. When morning comes, you once again begin to ride, and once again, you do so in silence. Rinse and repeat. With there being no one to talk to your mind begins to wander about the capital city, the surrounding countryside, even the empire as a whole, finally you think of the emperor.

Andronikos V Angelus “The Usurper”. An unflattering epithet, but a fitting one. Last you heard, when the previous emperor – Leo IV Ducas passed in battle, his son Bacchus was supposed to take the throne. But Andronikos led his army, took the capital, caught Bacchus and then blinded him. Taking the throne for himself. You heard your mother discuss this with some others, but back then you were but a child, so you never payed that much attention, however the years have passed and you have matured. The empire is teetering on the edge, and the unlawful usurpation did not help the situation. Despite all of the flaws of the new Emperor, even you have to admit that from what you heard he had done at least something right, he…

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sat 09 Apr 2022 12:10:45 No.5223729 Report

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>>5223727

>had revitalized the immediate countryside. The local populace had boomed, fighting age men working the fields during the autumn and marching off to war during the summer.

>had increased the silver amount in silver coins, ensuring that they were no longer worthless pieces of metal, wherein people had simply preferred to barter before his reign, now most trade is done via the coinage.

>had unilateral familial support. His strong leadership had seen the Angelus family take hold over most important positions in the government, not only that, he had cultivated good relations and created a strong familial bond.

>had taken control of the court. Preventing courtly intrigues from interfering with his reign and decisions. After all, you heard about just how vicious and brutal the competition in the court was. It is no surprise that it was cowed so thoroughly.

>had a great friend. Strategos Isaac, one of the greatest generals of the empire. With a trusted subordinate like that, the emperor could govern in peace, knowing that the army was commanded by one of his greatest supporters.

>had the royal guard restructured, ensuring their loyalty to him and his dynasty. You have no idea for how long the notoriously fickle royal guard will stand fast, but knowing that there are thousands willing to take the blow for you is always reassuring.

>had invited many a learned man, scholar, theologian, and philosopher. With new inventions and innovations, you are sure that the empire’s future is assured. Though how costly it is, still remains to be seen.

>had ensured that the treasury was filled to the brim with gold. Now if he would only actually spend that money.

>had reformed the army. After years of decay and disastrous losses, the reform was long needed. The empire being able to field actual professional armies once more is a welcome and reassuring sight.

>had reformed the navy. The crushing defeat that had seen the previous emperor die also saw the navy die with him. This had left many islands and the coastlines exposed to enemy attack. But with a strong navy once more in place, it should hopefully be cheaper for you to buy some fish.

>had forged a great relationship with the church, ensuring that the people’s faith would be strong in their Emperor and God.

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Anonymous ID:WWRiS1A5 Sat 09 Apr 2022 12:45:58 No.5223753 Report

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>>5223725
>Spending most of your time in the church. There you learnt a rare set of skills – reading and writing. You devoured every book you could get your hands on from philosophy to engineering, and bookkeeping. The local priest thought you well, and many began to have expectations that you too one day shall become one. This had given some rest to both you and your mother. With a mind for academics like yours, you are certain you will be able to comprehend even the most difficult of theories.
Brawn and a Silver Tongue are stop gap measures if we are supposed to preserve and revitalise this empire, as I suspect we are. Conquering the land only to overextend ourselves or building up the treasury for it to be squandered by the next one in charge is no way to run an empire. Also I really want us to have a pic related moment.

>>5223729
>had increased the silver amount in silver coins, ensuring that they were no longer worthless pieces of metal, wherein people had simply preferred to barter before his reign, now most trade is done via the coinage.
Either this or the general in command of the army. Having a basic coinage system ensures we have a basic economy going, which is always good for stability, and having a loyal army commanded by a skilled general prevents any civil wars which are perhaps the most devastating things that could happen to the empire outside of wars with another power.

Also, you're really interested in empire's collapsing aren't you QM?

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Anonymous ID:7FlXZulx Sat 09 Apr 2022 12:47:54 No.5223756 Report

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>>5223729
>Spending most of your time in the church. There you learnt a rare set of skills – reading and writing. You devoured every book you could get your hands on from philosophy to engineering, and bookkeeping. The local priest thought you well, and many began to have expectations that you too one day shall become one. This had given some rest to both you and your mother. With a mind for academics like yours, you are certain you will be able to comprehend even the most difficult of theories
>had increased the silver amount in silver coins, ensuring that they were no longer worthless pieces of metal, wherein people had simply preferred to barter before his reign, now most trade is done via the coinage.
We shall make good use of the economy when we rise through the ranks and beat those italians at their own trade.

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sat 09 Apr 2022 12:50:57 No.5223760 Report

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>Also, you're really interested in empire's collapsing aren't you QM?

I am a wee bit of a romefag, yes.

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Anonymous ID:K+hiWWu8 Sat 09 Apr 2022 13:02:37 No.5223763 Report

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>Spending most of your time in the church. There you learnt a rare set of skills – reading and writing. You devoured every book you could get your hands on from philosophy to engineering, and bookkeeping. The local priest thought you well, and many began to have expectations that you too one day shall become one. This had given some rest to both you and your mother. With a mind for academics like yours, you are certain you will be able to comprehend even the most difficult of theories
>had increased the silver amount in silver coins, ensuring that they were no longer worthless pieces of metal, wherein people had simply preferred to barter before his reign, now most trade is done via the coinage.

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Anonymous ID:B3ltHYbQ Sat 09 Apr 2022 14:01:09 No.5223798 Report

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>Being stronger, faster, and sneakier than most. If there was a fight to win, you would win it. If there was a fight to lose, you would run, until you could win it. And if there was no victory to gain, you would hide. As the saying goes, practice (and a lot of bruises) makes perfect, and you are sure that when it comes to anything related to combat, you will naturally excel.

>had reformed the navy. The crushing defeat that had seen the previous emperor die also saw the navy die with him. This had left many islands and the coastlines exposed to enemy attack. But with a strong navy once more in place, it should hopefully be cheaper for you to buy some fish.

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Anonymous ID:1toT4p9e Sat 09 Apr 2022 16:13:39 No.5223890 Report

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>Spending most of your time in the church. There you learnt a rare set of skills – reading and writing. You devoured every book you could get your hands on from philosophy to engineering, and bookkeeping. The local priest thought you well, and many began to have expectations that you too one day shall become one. This had given some rest to both you and your mother. With a mind for academics like yours, you are certain you will be able to comprehend even the most difficult of theories
>had increased the silver amount in silver coins, ensuring that they were no longer worthless pieces of metal, wherein people had simply preferred to barter before his reign, now most trade is done via the coinage.
Its no 'ERE' equivalent without a good economy. And everything from keeping people happy to war takes coin.

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sat 09 Apr 2022 16:59:35 No.5223936 Report

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Ch type:

Smarts 8

Brawn 1

Emperor's reform:

Coinage 6

Learned men 1

Navy 1

Countryside 1

Okay, being book smart and economic reform wins.

Writing.

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sat 09 Apr 2022 18:59:19 No.5224080 Report

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…had increased the silver amount in silver coins, ensuring that they were no longer worthless pieces of metal, wherein people had simply preferred to barter before his reign, now most trade is done via the coinage.

You know so because you read about it in the church. You had managed to get your hands on one of the emperor’s decrees sent throughout the empire. That was the reason why it only costed you one silver coin for the messenger after all.

The thoughts of great men, doing great things quickly float away from your mind as sleep takes you. You have no doubt that you will once more awake to men made out of metal refusing to converse with you, whilst you will be shaking in your shoes. You never had the sturdiest constitution, capable of resisting the elements.

Reciting the holy passages in your mind, a means of calming oneself you had found, you embrace the cold ground.

Days after, the chill had strongly subsided, no doubt an indicator that you are approaching the coast and coming further from inland. At least that is what you read in the various accounts of travellers more experienced than you.

Eventually you had reached a village. There you spent your first warm night in days. The place was just as badly devastated as your own. Most of the menfolk were nowhere to be found, what you could locate were a few elders, whom you doubt will even see the end of the winter and young boys and babes, incapable of tilling fields. You can only hope for the best for these people, because they will require God’s graces in the coming days and months.

Finally, as you were concentrating in trying to ignore the pain on your thighs and buttocks, the man whom had spoken to you earlier speaks up once more.

“We will reach it by sundown.”

“Huh ?” You involuntary let out a sound of confusion, before looking up.

In the distance, you can finally see it. Queen of all cities, centre of civilization beset by barbarians, the great and ancestral capital of the Thephians – Myralos. Despite it being night time, the full moon illuminates your surroundings, allowing you to take in the breath-taking view of massive walls guarding the sprawling city. The ocean washing the shores reflecting the moon allows you an easy look at the imperial harbour, depressingly empty, but impressive nonetheless.

The city had long since grown silent by the time you reached its great gates. Other than a few braziers on the walls, a necessity for night patrol in the midst of winter, you see no light.

“Halt ! Who goes there ?!” Calls out a voice from the top of the walls.

“His Emperor’s Scholae Tagmata !” Shouts back the man who had instructed you. “We have finished a task assigned to us ! Make us wait and face his wrath !” He finishes with confidence.

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sat 09 Apr 2022 19:00:21 No.5224083 Report

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>>5224080

Only now do you notice about two dozen men atop of the walls. Their steel helmets and chainmail, though not as impressive as the horse riders, still make you pale at their cost. You could work for years and be unable to afford so much steel. But one thing over anything takes your attention – their composite bows, arrows prepared and aimed at you. Luckily no one had drawn them, meaning that they do not plan on riddling you just yet.

Moments later, the large door opens, even from here you can hear the sound of gears turning and chains rattling. Great inventions of man, making the movement of these gargantuan gates and portcullis that would have required dozens if not hundreds of men, move with only a few.

From the gates quickly pours two dozen men clad in chainmail covering most of their bodies placed atop thick padded cotton. They have large shields and long spears prepared to face the cavalrymen in a short distance.

With the expected confidence, the head rider encourages his horse and it begins to move onwards. With trepidation you follow him, the riders forming up around you. Despite their best efforts, you can see confusion, suspicion, and questioning in the gazes of the spearmen.

You end up passing them without any issues and begin moving down the massive street, from a quick guess, you’d reckon that four or more wagons could be going side-by-side comfortably, with other streets branching off allowing the easy movement of two wagons. Speaking of the roads, they appear to be made of limestone, evened out so perfectly that you cannot feel the bumps and unevenness of the ground. The buildings around you loom like sleeping giants, you do not know how many people could be housed in one of these constructs, but they reach higher than the tower of your village’s church. The fact that all of them appear to be made out of bricks and stones makes you wonder just how rich the people living here are.

Looking about, you are caught by the sight of a beautiful marble statue, painted in strong, extravagant colours. Detail is lifelike, the painting makes you think that the statue will simply walk off its pedestal and shake your hand. Looking at its facial features, you quickly surmise that whomever is depicted here is a stern man, a violent man, as he is clad in armour, wielding a sword in this right and clenching the world in his left hand.

“That is his majesty Andronikos the fifth Angelus. As he was the day, he was crowned emperor.” Sensing your thoughts, one of the riders informs you, probably the first time talking with you.

Before you can open your mouth to ask a question, the sound of something screaming through the air greets you, followed quickly by the sound of wood being impacted. Turning around, you see one of the cavalrymen had imposed their shields in between you, and what appears to be an arrow.

“Assassin ! Full tilt ! Get to the palace !” Calls out the lead rider.

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sat 09 Apr 2022 19:01:23 No.5224086 Report

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>>5224083

You face is pale now, having realized just how close you came to meeting your mother in the afterlife. One of the riders next to you grabs your reigns and begins assisting you as you ride in full gallop. The chaffing of your thighs forgotten now that your life is in danger.

The following moments had become a blur to you by now. You think you heard a few more impacts, but you are unsure as all the noises had now blended into one.

What had I done ? Why would people want me dead ? Why am I here ? The Emperor’s task ? I just wanted to stay in the church and read the books.

By the time you sort your thoughts, you find yourself in a large courtyard, a sturdy set of walls behind you, men on foot, clad similarly as the riders all around you. Out of the group of people, one approaches you, this time he has a gold line in the middle of his snow-white cloak, his plume also appears golden in colour.

“This is the boy ?”

“Hail domestikos ! Yes, this is the child.”

Domestikos ? You wonder at the title. The commanding officer of the Scholae Tagmata ! You quickly realize. A man whom could order your entire village slaughtered and no one would question his will.

The man proceeds to scrutinize you. Looking you up and down, his eyes narrowing and calculating. “Get the lad off the horse. His Imperial Majesty wishes to meet him.”

You feel as all breath disappears from your lungs at that statement. Me ? A mere peasant, meeting the most august person in this world appointed by God to reign over the world ? This has to be a mistake. You cannot help but think such thoughts, but your quick mind cannot help but stray to different thoughts as to why you are here. The clues are everywhere, but your mind refuses to accept it.

Not long after you quickly find yourself moving down a beautifully decorated corridor. Frescos decorate the walls, depicting the great battles of empire’s past, an expensive carpet under your feet, which you feel awkward dirtying, stretches as far as the eye can see, statuettes of the saints and God’s angels watch you as pass them.

Reaching a lacquered wooden door, the servant whom had been escorting you, alongside the domestikos, knocks on the door.

“Your Majesty, what you requested had been found.” The servants calm voice echoes clearly.

“Let him in.” Calls out a weak voice from the other side.

The servant silently opens the door and waits for you to enter.

Meekly stepping through, you are greeted by the sight of opulence. Silks, velvets, gold and silver a plenty, paintings and a beautiful fresco of the Shepherd’s descent is painted on the ceiling. God’s most holy prophet, bringing his word of mercy and forgiveness, tempered by the sword.

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sat 09 Apr 2022 19:02:24 No.5224087 Report

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>>5224086

Laying upon a large bed, covered in silk and velvet, all coloured deep purple, lays an old man, a far cry of the sternness you had seen on the statue. You have no doubt about whom this is, only one person within the whole empire could lay upon purple – Andronikos V Angelus “The Usurper” – your Emperor.

You quickly fall to your knees, you head impacting the floor, gazing into the emperor’s eyes is punishable by blinding after all, and you’d rather not anger the most important man in the world. Whilst you were doing so, the door had closed behind you.

“Rise, allow me to look at you.” The weak voice commands with authority.

You do as commanded, still averting your gaze from the Emperor.

Minutes pass in silence. “Yes, yes.” Andronikos begins to chuckle slowly. “All of those parasites had failed !” He shouts, mania in his voice. He begins laughing, before having a coughing fit and calming himself down.

“You, you, my boy. Yes, you will do just fine, just fine.” He once more begins to chuckle. “They thought that they could stop me, but I showed them.” Once again, chuckling. “But here you are. They thought to take MY ACHIEVEMENTS ?! MY GREAT ACCOMPLISHMENTS ?! Oh no, no. It will be MY BLOODLINE THAT WILL REIGN !

You involuntary take a step back. The Emperor’s a lunatic !

“Do not fear me boy. You are my blood.” He laughs. “Yes, you are my blood, they thought they had extinguished it when they killed my heir, but here you stand, yes, yes, here you stand. Proof of my success !” Once more he laughs. “The wine, give me the wine !” He points to a glass next to him.

Nervously you approach, seeing as how he is not biting you, you deem it safe to assist him in taking a drink.

“Ah, that helps my old tongue. You, boy.” Any expression, happiness or mania gone from his face and tone. “You will be my heir, you are of my blood, and you shall reign once I will meet the Shepherd.” Perhaps seeing your confusion, he states. “Ask, whilst I still draw breath, for soon you shall be greatly busy.”

>Questions for the old Emperor ? (Write in)

>”I have no questions, your majesty.”

>(Write in)

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Anonymous ID:1NoJMDWE Sat 09 Apr 2022 20:00:39 No.5224141 Report

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>>5223723
I got no idea how you will manage 2 quests at once QM but I believe in you.
>>5224087
>Questions for the old Emperor ? (Write in)
What does he mean by we are of his blood?
What did our mothers letter say since that is clearly linked to this situation
Why are we being made Emperor?

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Anonymous ID:N+wcJDba Sat 09 Apr 2022 20:25:52 No.5224172 Report

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>>5224087
>Questions for the old Emperor ? (Write in)
What is the best advice your majesty can give me?
Who can be our greatest ally?
Who will be our biggest enemy?
What is your biggest regret?

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Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Sat 09 Apr 2022 20:48:05 No.5224212 Report

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>>5224087
Are you saying... you're my father? How did that even happen?
What should I do? Who can I trust?

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Anonymous ID:Mk8wxxdk Sat 09 Apr 2022 20:48:35 No.5224213 Report

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>>5224087
>>Questions for the old Emperor ? (Write in)

Are you my father?

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Anonymous ID:1hbxesO4 Sat 09 Apr 2022 21:16:24 No.5224250 Report

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>>5224087
>>Questions for the old Emperor ? (Write in)

I am worthy ?
I do not know anyhting of the imperial court, what I can do... i have only live in my village for all my life.
Can you aid me in this task, emperor... father ?
Your majesty if I am your son, why was i kept a secret ? Is because of my mother ?
Assasins attacked me and the guards on the road, did they know of my existance ?

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Anonymous ID:rnXHeJfo Sun 10 Apr 2022 02:06:17 No.5224692 Report

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>>5224141
Supporting this line of questions

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Anonymous ID:B3ltHYbQ Sun 10 Apr 2022 02:12:34 No.5224707 Report

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>>5224087
>"Give me a kiss papa"
>>Pucker up our lips and reach our arms out for a hug

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Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Sun 10 Apr 2022 02:25:15 No.5224735 Report

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>>5224250
I'll add this to my vote. Feels appropriate for our nerd emperor to be.

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Anonymous ID:yVn1k2NR Sun 10 Apr 2022 05:05:03 No.5224945 Report

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+1

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+1

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sun 10 Apr 2022 08:22:59 No.5225052 Report

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“Your Imperial Majesty, are, are you my father ?” You question with some trepidation.

The sickly man bursts out laughing “I am, boy, I am.”

“Then why was it kept a secret ? What about my mother ?” You cannot help but ask, had he acknowledged you, had he taken your mother as his wife, maybe she’d still be with you.

“Your mother was a shrewd woman, too intelligent. She knew that I would have had you killed.” He stares at you, his eyes now cold. “A bastard threatening my legitimate heir’s claim. Though I suppose her intellect did come in some use. With my son dead, you are the only one of my blood. Ah, you probably wonder how we met, do you not ?” He now smiles. “She was a merchant’s daughter, from right here – Myralos. She was beautiful, young, I was destined to go off for a long campaign and a young lass threw herself onto me, probably hoping for benefits for her merchant’s house, but she had long disappeared by the time I had returned. My wife probably had threatened her existence.” He finally finishes.

You clench your fists, rage building up in you. He had not sought you to rekindle your familial ties or help your mother. No, you were simply a backup, an emergency solution, a stopgap measure.

“What did my mother’s letter say ?” You cannot help but wonder, what had she said to this cold man.

“That ? She simply stated that she’s about to die, and that you are my son. She must’ve heard that I now lack an heir.” He replies dismissively.

“Why ? Why am I here ? Why am I being made emperor ? Am I even worthy of such a title ?”

“Simple. Your half-brothers are all dead, you are the only one that can carry one my legacy. And if you are worthy ? What does that matter ? You are my blood, and the throne will be yours. It is simply that, boy. In this world, nothing matters more than bloodline and legacy.” He calmly responds.

That is something you had noticed during your conversation; the emperor’s mood seems to switch and change without rhyme or reason almost every sentence you had spoken with him.

“I know nothing of the court. Who can I trust ? What should I do ? Can you aid me ? I know not what I had not read in books, meagre books of a humble kind, those accessible only to a peasant.” You cannot help but beg. You do not like the man; however, he is your only hope in a situation that he forced you into.

“Trust no one, obey no one. You, are to be emperor. An emperor, does not bow, he does not ask. He commands, and all obey. Those that do not obey, are to be killed. If someone mocks you ? Hang them. If someone angers you ? Behead them. Your reign shall be blessed by God, and God commands to lead with an iron fist.” His eyes, now bloodshot, his breathing far more ragged than before, stare straight at you. “Kill. Them. All.”

You flinch as those eyes lock with yours, primordial, rage filled eyes of a beast, eyes of a man who had long since lost his sanity.

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sun 10 Apr 2022 08:24:00 No.5225053 Report

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>>5225052

“That is my advice, that is my aid. I can feel my life slipping away from me at this moment. Rule through fear, and make them believe that even God’s wrath is nothing compared to yours.”

“Then who will be my biggest enemy ? Out of all that will fear me, who will be an ally ?”

“Allies ? There are no allies, an emperor is alone, you tower over all, let no connections affect your decisions. If you have to kill your son to protect the throne, do it. If you have to sell your daughter, do it. If you have to humiliate and get rid of your wife, do it. Your only ally, is you.

As for foes. Everyone, every single last one of them are snakes, parasites, sycophants ready to turn against you the moment the wind blows the other way. But the greatest, the greatest would be Strategos Isaac. He is a great general, I cannot deny so, but that is what makes him dangerous. Get rid of him as soon as you can.”

“Assassins attacked me and the guards on the road, did they know of my existence ?” You ask, recalling the shock you felt mere moments ago.

“Naturally, no whispered word, no hidden gesture remains so in the court. There are ears and eyes everywhere. No great secret will be kept so for long. Remember, boy, a secret is only a secret if one person knows it. Get rid of all who know your weaknesses.” He states matter-of-factly

“I have one last question.” You slowly say. “What is your biggest regret ?”

“That I shall die soon. So much work left undone. I had great plans, but God had decided that my time had come. The greatest doctors of the court promised me immortality, I had consumed the wondrous quicksilver, but despite it all, I am still dying. Oh, do not worry about the doctors who are unable to keep their promises, I had already ordered them to hang.”

Having exhausted your questions, you simply remain silent. Your mind reeling from the facts you had learnt this day.

“Domestikos !” The Emperor shouts and the door quickly opens.

“Your majesty.” Responds the man.

“Have the boy washed, groomed, and fed. I want him presentable for tomorrows court assembly.”

“As you command. My Prince, please follow me.”

You follow the man. Still drunk on the fact that someone just referred to you as “prince”. Wait. I had just realized, the Emperor not once addressed me by my name. A realization that quickly sours your mood.

The following hours move in a flash:

For the first time in your life, you have a hot bath, with soap and perfumes rubbed deep into your skin by beautiful women. You had been pretty embarrassed by having to be naked in front of them, but their charming smiles and careful hands had quickly calmed you. Your hair had also been thoroughly cleaned and washed; days’ worth of fatigue had simply melted away.

You were dressed in colourful, comfortable clothes, they fit you perfectly, and it did not cause you itching to boot ! No more prickly wool for you, no sir.

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sun 10 Apr 2022 08:25:02 No.5225055 Report

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>>5225053

Then afterwards, you had the most filling hot meal of your life. Roasted pork, honeyed fruits, the most delicious wine you had ever tasted filled your stomach.

And finally, at the end of it all, you went to bed, an actual bed, stuffed with feathers and cloths. Despite your mind acting up, due to a fear of assassins, you eventually go into a deep sleep, the exhaustion finally catching up to you.

You finally awaken as the Sun shines upon your face. Groggily rising from your bed, you look around. It takes a moment for your mind to catch up, to realize that everything that had just happened was in fact not a dream. You recall something about a court gathering, but you do not know if you will have to attend it or not.

Looking around, curiosity gets the better of you, as you begin exploring the room. It is just as breath-taking as everything else you had seen, the only difference being the fact that your beddings are in maroon red, rather than imperial purple. Heading over to the window, made out of actual see-through glass, the first time you had witnessed it, you see men in armour patrolling the surroundings, people dressed in simple clothing, still better than most in your village, are running about carrying out menial tasks, men and women dressed in fine cloths, silks, and furs are strutting about and entering the various buildings.

Now that it is daytime, you realize that you are in the palace district, and within the palace itself, a massive complex reaching the height of five stories, private gardens, riding grounds, barracks for the palace guards, its own church, etc., etc. More wealth gathered in a single place than most countries on this world probably have.

Further away, you gaze upon the city, now bustling with activity, crowds of people looking like waves moving about. You cannot make out any details, but you are certain that on any given side street, there are more people than your entire village, perhaps even combined with your neighbouring villages.

Suddenly, you can hear a knock coming from the door.

“Come in.” You call out.

As the door opens, you see the Domestikos stepping inside. “Hail Prince, I am Domestikos Armentarius Lucaenus of Scholae Tagmata. I had been commanded by the Emperor to escort you for the court gathering.” He pauses looking you over. “I shall call the servants to assist you in your preparations.”

“Tha-“ The door closes before you can finish. And you are left to awkwardly stand in silence.

Luckily, the silence does not last long, as soon there after Armentarius returns with a gaggle of servants behind him. Like ravenous predators, they charge at you whirling and twirling, eventually you find yourself dressed in heavy, sweat inducing clothing. Jewels and gold, worth more than anything you held previously, now used as nothing more than mere decorations adore you. It takes a moment for you to adjust to the clothing, but eventually you do get it.

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sun 10 Apr 2022 08:26:04 No.5225056 Report

Quoted By: >>5225057 >>5225121

>>5225055

Shortly thereafter, Armentarius escorts you to a large chamber, gold plating the walls, ivory adorning the ceiling, braziers of incense filling the room with wondrous smells, beautiful coloured windows, depicting the Shepard’s journey cast coloured lights onto floors and walls, the marble floor covered by a red carpet with gold thread running through it. Guards clad in heavy armour stand at the walls, guarding the august persons arrayed in front of you. Fair ladies and well-groomed gentlemen, dressed in all kinds of colourful clothes cast questioning gazes at.

Only now do you realize that the chamber is completely silent, everyone’s eyes on you. Uncomfortably squirming under the judging eyes, you are relieved when a voice cuts through all standing.

The only man sitting in this room, upon a pedestal on a throne made of gold with rubies, sapphires, emeralds, amethysts, diamonds and other gems you do not recognize. A diadem rests upon his brow, just as opulent as the throne upon which the man sits.

“Hear our words !” He calls out.

”We hear !” Respond the gathered people, bowing deeply.

“We, Andronikos Angelus, hereby proclaim Manuel Angelus as our son and heir ! We hereby also proclaim him as co-emperor of the Thephians and all other peoples of the Empire. Hear our words !”

”We hear !” Once again, respond the gathered people.

You watch as the Emperor moves his hand, gesturing towards a man standing at the bottom of the pedestal, wielding a golden rod, which he strikes on the ground.

“The court is over !” He proclaims.

The emperor stays seated, but you can see he laboured breaths.

Before you can address the him, an older looking man approaches you, looking similar to the emperor, but with slightly more gentle features.

“Nephew, congratulations on your appointment, I am sure you will do well.” He says smiling. Noticing your confusion, he clarifies. “Ah, where are my manners. I am Photius Angelus, your uncle, brother of the Emperor. It is truly joyous news to hear that the emperor managed to find his lost son.”

“Thank you, uncle.” You address him with some awkwardness. “I too hope to be as capable as the Emperor.”

“Wondrous. Now, if you ever need help, feel free to find me. We are family after all, I will endeavour to assist you to the best of my abilities. Now, if you will excuse me, I had just been appointed governor and I must depart at all haste.” With a polite smile that he held throughout the conversation, he excuses himself and departs the room in a hurry.

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sun 10 Apr 2022 08:27:05 No.5225057 Report

Quoted By: >>5225077 >>5225084 >>5225121 >>5225165 >>5225217 >>5225218 >>5225261 >>5225349

>>5225056

“My Prince. There are a few people you must be aware of.” Armentarius says behind you.

“That man over there.” He points out a greying man with a beard so long that it reaches his stomach, dressed in pure white with gold and silver thread. “That is his all holiness Oikoumenikós Patriárchēs (ecumenical patriarch) Anatolius.”

“Head of the church.” You state.

“Correct.” Responds domestikos. “That over there is Strategos Isaac, currently the most influential man in the army.” This time he points out a well dressed and groomed man, looking like the picture-perfect noble portrayed in stories.

“That over there is protasekretis, (first secretary) Avienus, head of the administration.” He points out a rotund man in his 50s.

“The man dressed in subdued blue is Megas doux (Megaduke) Mundus, the head of the navy, or what’s left of it.”

“Do you see that brilliant yellow ? That is prōtoproedros (senior president) Leontius of the Imperial senate, representing the interests of the nobility within the Empire.”

“Finally, the one dressed in simple clothing is parakoimomenos (one who sleeps nearby) Fulgentius, the head eunuch and the one responsible for the court and the palace’s operation.”

All of these men are extremely important, you’d wish you could converse with all of them, but there is a literal flood of minor courtiers surrounding you. You are not skilled in diplomacy, so you think that you can at most talk with three of the six men. As you struggle to get away from the long-tongued courtiers.

>The Patriarch.

>The General.

>The Admiral.

>The Administrator.

>The Eunuch.

>The Senator.

And of course, what questions do you have for these men ? Simple introductions can be exchanged at any time, but the first impression is crucial.

>Questions (Write in)

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Anonymous ID:B8WkQ91q Sun 10 Apr 2022 09:12:10 No.5225077 Report

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>>5225057
>>The General.
>The Eunuch.
>The Administrator.

General.
What is the current state of the army? Manpower, forts, supplies?
Eunich.
What current projects are going on? What is the current state of the courts and palace?
Administrator.
What is our current territories and holdings? any enemy aggression or Barbarian incursions?

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Anonymous ID:Z8OBZeYi Sun 10 Apr 2022 09:44:09 No.5225084 Report

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>>5225057
>The Patriarch
The only one we can talk to normally, given our education.
>The Administrator
General state of the empire
>The Eunuch.
Control the palace and its guards.

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Anonymous ID:WWRiS1A5 Sun 10 Apr 2022 10:56:38 No.5225121 Report

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>>5225056
>brother of the Emperor.
We're gonna have to kill this guy, guaranteed.

>>5225057
>The Patriarch.
Will go well with our educated background, and it is always important to have the church onside, they are the most powerful entity in the lands outside the imperial administration and army itself after all.
We should ask him about the latest developments in the church, mention to him how we would have become a priest were it not for this. Ask him about his opinions of our father and the rest of the imperial house, I want to see if he's a savvy political player in his own right or a simple zealot. Plus information about things is always good.

>The General.
Should be fairly self evident how important it is to talk to him.
Ask him about what campaigns he's been on recently, and his opinions on the state of the empire as it is right now. As a man with such heavy responsibilities, how does he feel with his position and what he's accomplished under the previous emperor?
>The Administrator.
He is the one who'll probably know the most about the empire as a whole. Ask him general questions about the state of the lands, the treasury, the people, that sort of thing. Quiz him for as many details as possible, ensure he knows we're not an ignorant peasant. Also ask him how we can send some money to the priest of the town we grew up in, since he was the one who helped with our education and upbringing the most after our mother.

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Anonymous ID:1hbxesO4 Sun 10 Apr 2022 13:39:34 No.5225165 Report

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>>5225057
Hopefully the other 3 don't suddenly think we hate them if we don't talk with them today, maybe we can talk tommorow ?
Our father doesn't trust even one man, this is kind of a problem. Being costantly paranoid of all is not great for a ruler.

>The Patriarch.
Ask him about the faith of the empire, and if heresies or pagans have show themselves. See what he thinks of the court. We can also say something about our studies and that we received teachings from a priest. Perhaps we could say our favourite passage or core message of the holy book (Maybe we think being kind is a great virtue ? Or courage ecc)

>The General
What s the current state of the military, and if our enemies are doing anyhting at the borders. Knowing about his previous campaigns could be also interesting. If he asks, yeah we aren't fit for war at the moment is .... obvious. Be honest.
One needs to get a look at us, or know that we didn't even know how to use a horse.
Though we are open to learning if there is time, be combat or leading troops.

>The Administrator
Learn about the empire, if the provinces are doing well, trade, treasury and the people. Also what the empire neighbours are doing, and if they want to do something with the empire (trade, war ecc...)
Asking detailed questions would be a good idea, we don't want to look dumb it would show we received an education.

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Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Sun 10 Apr 2022 14:58:10 No.5225217 Report

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>>5225057
>The General.
Give and get a good first impression, ask for the status of our army’s and it’s foes.
>The Admiral.
Maybe we can use him as a counterbalance to the Army, we could definitely begin feeding him resources to improve his status within the affair of the State.
>The Eunuch.
We need to get our personal residence down on lock, last thing we need is him going rouge on us.

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Anonymous ID:N+wcJDba Sun 10 Apr 2022 14:58:43 No.5225218 Report

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>>5225057
>The General.
We need swords.

>The Administrator.
We need gold to have swords.

>The Patriarch.
We need loyalty for that gold to enter our pocket.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Mk8wxxdk Sun 10 Apr 2022 15:57:11 No.5225261 Report

Quoted By:

>>5225057
>The Patriarch.
>The General.
>The Senator.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:xwj13ElI Sun 10 Apr 2022 17:32:19 No.5225349 Report

Quoted By:

>>5225057
>patriarch
>administrator
>General

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sun 10 Apr 2022 17:36:11 No.5225352 Report

Quoted By:

The Patriarch 6

The General 7

The Admiral 1

The Administrator 6

The Eunuch 3

The Senator 1

Alright, you will talk to the General, the Patriarch, and the Administrator.

Writing.

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sun 10 Apr 2022 20:19:34 No.5225468 Report

Quoted By: >>5225470

You try to do your best to placate the swarm of courtiers, thanks to your education, you are able to hold conversations about numerous topics, but when you point out the flaws in their reasoning and logic, you see as the smiles on their faces freeze, but frankly speaking, you cannot be bothered about their expressions, as there are simply too many people for you to deal with.

Eventually, through strenuous effort, you are able to free yourself for a moment and approach the man closest to you, that being Strategos Isaac. Seeing your approach, he bows politely at your presence. This still feels uncomfortable.

“My Prince, how may I help you ?”

“Strategos, I wished to converse with you.” You say, whilst trying to imitate the acting of some of the great heroes you read in books. Back straight, eyes forward. You hope that you do not come off as a meek peasant out of water.

“What is it that you wish to know, my Prince ?”

“I wished to inquire about the state of the military. Our armies, manpower, forts, supplies. Things of great import like those.”

“Ah, just appointed and already concerned about our great Empire ? Commendable, I must say.

To answer your questions. Our manpower is pitiful, years of endless wars have drained most able-bodied men. Those that still remain are jealously guarded by the nobility and rich merchants, and I do not fault them, wheat must be harvested, bread must be baked. Overall, the army is weak, besides the Emperor’s elite tagmata, only about 4,000 men, most local armies rely on local levies raised in haste. Poorly trained and equipped, for the last decade we’ve been dependant on barbaroi mercenaries, at great expense, mind you, to fight our wars.

“The situation sounds more grim than I had expected.” Only now do you realize how blissfully ignorant you were of the frailty of the Empire.

“As for the forts and supplies.” He scoffs and sneers. “Your highness should ask protasekretis Avienus and his leeches about our supplies. If he has any to offer that is.”

Though you are not skilled in personal interactions, you can easily hear hatred in the man’s voice. It seems that the army is at odds with the administration.

“And what about our foes ? How dangerous are they ?”

The man has a ponderous look, before answering. “The mountains to your East protect the heartlands, but it also blocks our movement. The Eastern Magnates are in open revolt. They had been since the current emperor came to the throne, but he had decided to prioritize coin rather than the army, leaving this issue unresolved. For now, the magnates are busy squabbling between themselves, but if a capable leader emerges from them, I have no doubt that he will try to threaten the imperial throne.”

“And how powerful are they ?”

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sun 10 Apr 2022 20:20:36 No.5225470 Report

Quoted By: >>5225473

>>5225468

“Who knows by now. They had a long time to mobilize and prepare for war. On the same end, they had plenty of time to waste their manpower in their petty squabbles.”

His analysis, gives you some relief.

“I am truly concerned about Akeione they had forty years back crossed from Rogarus. Conquering the great southern island of Korius. Conquering it from us, that is. Now they threaten what isles we still hold. It is against them that the previous emperor was felled on the open seas. It is their heavy cavalries that I fear the most, but the speed at which they built a navy to not only rival our own, but to crush us is astonishing. Give them time, and they will land on the mainland, I do not know if the Scholae will meet their match on the open plains.”

And then he brings you to the depths of hell.

“How about we talk about something less depressing. Like your previous campaigns, perhaps ?”

“In my last campaign, I was not in command. The Lucenians, a decade past, had migrated from their forests and they had taken our territories. It was there that I earned my name, by salvaging the remnants of your shattered army. An army that was undersupplied because the strategos at the time had managed to anger some important people. We lost a war that we should have won, and our professional army is not replaced by young boys given spears and mercenaries without a shred of loyalty to anything but gold. At times, I feel like I am fighting against an endless flood, no matter what I do, other continuously get in my way and cause more damage and further accelerate the sinking of the ship I am trying to save.”

“Thank you, strategos.” Unsure on how to proceed and clearly sensing the man’s fouling mood, you decide that caution is the better part of valour, leaving the man.

Seeing that august persons have finished conversing; you are once more swarmed by courtiers fighting for a morsel of your attention.

You do your best to fight off against the endless swarm, reaching a refuge for your soul – Oikoumenikós Patriárchēs Anatolius.

“Your all holiness.” You greet him. “ Χαιρετισμούς ο πιο ιερός πατέρας της εκκλησίας του βοσκού. ”

“My Prince. It is good to see you.” The man smiles when you converse with him in the proper clerical language.

“I too am glad to see you. I would have likely become a priest myself, had were I not called for duty.”

“It is good to hear, my son. As of late, the people’s faith had been tested again and again due to the heathens and heretics besetting us on all sides. Strong faith is needed in such trying times.”

“Has the Emperor not exercised the faith’s commands, for the people to be distraught ?”

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sun 10 Apr 2022 20:21:37 No.5225473 Report

Quoted By: >>5225474

>>5225470

He frowns. “The Emperor, your father, had been…lacking in conviction. His desire for a monetary reform resulted in many most holy artefacts melted for the sake of minting new coins with his image upon them.” He says, gauging your reaction. “I, of course, am a faithful servant of the Empire and the Emperor, but the flock can only be ignored, and they can only be pushed for so long.”

Seeing shock clear on your face at the mention of the destruction of holy artefacts, his expression becomes a bit softer. “With the heathen Lucenians and the heretic Akeoinians now occupying the lands of the most faithful, I pray every day for their freedom and their liberation back into the fold.”

“I hope so to, Your all Holiness. And what of the matters closer to home ? What about the court ?”

“Religious ceremonies are less frequent than I would like, and the courtiers are clearly not repenting for the many sins they commit everyday frequently enough, but what else can you expect. This one of the holiest places in the world, but also one that tempts man’s simplest desires the most. I would personally change somethings, but it is not my place to question the Emperor’s decisions.”

“I see. Thank you for your time, Your all Holiness. Unfortunately I must now return to my duties of temporal nature.” You say ending the conversation.

“I hope that your reign will be a pious one. Go with God’s blessing, my son.” He finishes with a smile.

You can see, or well, you can’t, but you can feel that the overall number of people is thinning, it seems that soon the court meeting will come to a close. Before people of import depart, there is still one more person that you must meet with, in order to acquire a good idea about the Empire’s current situation – protasekretis Avienus.

“My Prince !” He cheerfully calls out. “I am honoured and humbled that you would approach such a humble servant such as myself.”

“Protasekretis, I wish to discuss the matters of the state with you.”

“Of course, of course my Prince. I, Avienus, shall endeavour to answer all of your, your most magnificent highness !” With great enthusiasm he replies.

You’ve never met a man jollier than him, but you suppose that judging by his belly, he had never experienced hardships.

“How does the Empire fare ? The people, trade, taxes ? What about the treasury, from the conversations I had previously I heard many complaints about it.”

“I shall naturally answer all of these. It is always good to know that there is someone with such brilliant intellect that shall soon lead us, your highness ! The Empire is sure to prosper under the reign of your dynasty for a thousand more years if not longer. I do believe that your great deeds will be forever engraved in the annals of history as one of the greats of our lands, nay, the entire world.”

Does an enlarged belly lead to an enlarged breath ?

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sun 10 Apr 2022 20:22:38 No.5225474 Report

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>>5225473

“But now for the ahhh, yes, the question of the people. You need not concern yourself over such a trivial matter. The people are prospering ! Sure, we had some problems of depopulation due to the wars, but I can guarantee you, your highness, that they shall soon recover. Our virile citizens shall once again plow the fields as far as the eye can see. As for trade, yes the trade, it is endless and prosperous, wagons and carts travel without end upon our fine roads and enormous merchant fleets travel the seas unmolested !” Again, with gusto he proclaims.

The bare fields, roads overgrowing with weeds and the empty harbour all come to your mind. You are unsure if the man is simply lying to appease you, if he’s incompetent, or if he is malicious.

“Now, as for the treasury. Well…it is true that we have some, minor, inconsequential issues regarding it. The Emperor’s monetary reforms were long needed, and they have revitalized the countryside, just last year, taxes were paid in actual coin !” He beams at that fact. “Though it is true, that I cannot deny, that despite the Emperor’s brilliance, the treasury, already dwindling due to the previous Emperor’s wars, had been emptied. But worry not ! I shall ensure that it shall be overflowing once again, your highness, just leave it the hands of this humble servant.”

You are about to speak up, when the man interrupts you, seemingly missing your intentions. “Deary me, would you look at the time, the sun is already past its zenith, please excuse me your highness, there are matters of great import to be addressed within the administration.”

Faster before you can react, moving with surprising agility, the man expertly navigates the crowds of courtiers that drown you.

Suddenly, coughing echoes through the hall. The sound of a chalice impacting the hall pierces your heart.

Upon the pedestal, Andronikos V Angelus “The Usurper”, Imperator, Basileús kai Autokrátōr Thephaiōn, ruler for twelve long years, is currently coughing up blood, and fighting for breath.

Domestikos Armentarius, who had been by your side the entire time, rushes towards the throne, as his emperor slips from it and impacts the cold ground.

Panic quickly spreads and everything dissolves into pandemonium. You approach the throne with heavy footsteps. Where upon, Armentarius turns to you and says in a calm, even tone.

“The Emperor is dead.”

As his words leave his lips, all eyes in the chamber turn to you, and only now do you realize, you are the Emperor. Not only that, everyone is waiting for your guidance in this situation. Looking around, you realize, no persons of import are left in the chamber.

Can pick more than one.

>Lock down the city. No one enters, no one leaves.

>Order everyone searched.

>Order the arrest of someone (Who?) (Can pick multiple.)

>(Write in)

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sun 10 Apr 2022 20:25:12 No.5225478 Report

Quoted By: >>5226120

And that is it for the day. Quick information of my schedule, on weekdays, at most I can put out one, maybe two, updates. Occasionally, I might miss a day if I am busy. My weekends are usually free, during then you can expect more updates, more frequently.

I hope that you anons are enjoying the quest so far, and I will see you tomorrow.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Mk8wxxdk Sun 10 Apr 2022 20:45:44 No.5225505 Report

Quoted By: >>5225635

>>5225474
>>Lock down the city. No one enters, no one leaves.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:rnXHeJfo Sun 10 Apr 2022 20:58:31 No.5225518 Report

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>>5225474
>Lock down the city. No one enters, no one leaves

>Order everyone searched

I suspect Avienus but we have no proof yet

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Z8OBZeYi Sun 10 Apr 2022 21:02:35 No.5225522 Report

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>>5225474
>Lock down the city. No one enters, no one leaves.
>Order everyone searched.

>>(Write in)

>Have Armentarius to calm the court, he has more experience.
>Have somebody make a list with everyone that attended court and every servant.
>Send guards to the harbour and to the houses of those who left early.
>Order every servant to be searched and interrogated.
>Make sure we are seen giving these orders, to show inciative.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:sfIB5StH Sun 10 Apr 2022 21:10:59 No.5225528 Report

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>>Lock down the city. No one enters, no one leaves.
>>Order everyone searched + have men retrieve Protasekretis Avienus so he can be included.

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Anonymous ID:N+wcJDba Sun 10 Apr 2022 21:11:07 No.5225529 Report

Quoted By: >>5225539 >>5225696 >>5226157

>>5225474
Well our situation is very precarious, we have six factions that owe us nothing and no allies to sustain our authority. On the bright side we have a unique opportunity, the leaders of all other factions are present, this could be our chance. First we have to close the city gates:

>Lock down the city. No one enters, no one leaves.

This will give us time to work out our claim to the throne with the different factions. But frankly six is a pretty big number. We have to reduce this value as quickly as possible.
Of all these the only three that are needed are those that we have already interacted with. The eunuchs are our biggest threat, at the moment they can kill us in exchange for serving a new emperor for another faction, before the gates open again they have to be killed to the last of them. And then our protection in the palace has to be done by a group of foreign barbarians, the most infamous would be the best because if they betray us they will be killed. We need to speak to the general about this matter, the others will be deleted later.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:sfIB5StH Sun 10 Apr 2022 21:14:25 No.5225532 Report

Quoted By:

If our Strategos has men nearby he can be tasked with retrieving Avienus considering the lack of friendship between them.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Z8OBZeYi Sun 10 Apr 2022 21:25:34 No.5225539 Report

Quoted By: >>5225597 >>5225696 >>5225718

>>5225529
The administrator has to go, perhaps we could order him to do an impossible task and when he fails/gives us prof of sedation, we depose him and perhaps replace him with a cadre of ministers, china style.
I am on the fence about the general, if he proves too much to handle we can likewise order him on suicidal campaigns. Nonetheless, we should keep him close, here where we could contest his influence.
I am in favour of the patriarch. He hasn't shown any signs of corruption and it would be easy to ally with the church given our education. He can stay and, if he proves really trustworty, perhapswe can make him our personal confessor for the sake of our mental health.
The admiral, senator and eunuch should be interrogated before we met them, so we have a headstart on them. We don't know enough about the admiral but if the senator gets in our way we could undermine his power by covertly supporting his rivals in the senate.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:p2k37YnC Sun 10 Apr 2022 21:29:50 No.5225548 Report

Quoted By: >>5225610 >>5225626 >>5225696

>>5225474
>Lock down the city. No one enters, no one leaves.
>>Order the arrest of someone (Who?) (Can pick multiple.)
Avienus
>(Write in)
If there are men who aim to openly revolt now, we must prevent those notables from leaving the city. If they leave the city then truly we will have no way of controlling their actions. Now that the Emperor has died, I say we lock the city and demand those of note to come and pay respects to our father's body. We will have a week of mourning and a week of celebration after our coronation. Chariot races, bread and circuses, we must let our reign not start off with fear of the instability a transition will produce while allowing ourselves to meet with those of the court who are interested in currying favor with a new emperor.

I say as well: arrest, denounce, and kill Avenius in a very public fashion. Accuse him of murdering our father, of lying to the Emperor, and all of the corruption, military defeats, and suffering of the people to him. This will satiate the bloodlust of the angry masses and establish our authority.

It is clear that he is lying to us about the prosperity of the Empire as we have seen the state of the Empire for ourselves and if the Strategos is correct, he is robbing the state as well. If during the mean time leading up to his death he reveals all the snakes and rats under his administration, all the better. No one lies to the Emperor!

To placate the rest of the administration, put his office as a vacancy to be filled. Let the careerists fight among themselves for this position. His holdings and wealth can be seized to be used at a later point We can arrest those implicated by Avenius in an investigation or otherwise to do the same to them, but for important noble families, we should keep alive for ransom or hostage for political clout, better tithes, or for them to surrender religious icons to the Church. As they are implicated in corruption, the nobles will have no casus belli against us, but to negotiate to our advantage lest we bring the hammer down.

Our father's funeral should be a grand and opulent ceremony for all our subjects to see and given to the church to administrate as a sign of our trust and devotion. If needed, we can subsidize this endeavor with the seizing of Avenius's holdings and all religious artifacts horded by the corrupt can be given to the church. The church and the pious will love us for taking back icons from the corrupt nobility!

Announce to the whole court and thanking Strategos Issac for bringing the corruption to our attention. This will emphasize his subservience to us and will bring him closer, but we will be seen as the heroes while Issac will take some of the heat from the corrupt nobility and Avenius's allies.

This is the time to start our reign off with a bang anons. Lets do this.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:p2k37YnC Sun 10 Apr 2022 21:39:23 No.5225555 Report

Quoted By: >>5226157

Oh and announce we need a waifu. Those who wish to curry favor can come to us with a pitch about why their daughter is the best. We need allies and a heir.

I highly recommend Thersites the Historian on Youtubes for all of you Roman/Byzantine history nerds out there.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:N+wcJDba Sun 10 Apr 2022 22:20:28 No.5225597 Report

Quoted By: >>5225604 >>5225615

>>5225539
You are crazy? This man controls the vault of the empire if he feels threatened he will pay for another heir, of all the gifts he is the only one that cannot be touched. He is our possible wallet and convincing him to support us will be the least worst of the options, we can't risk the safe falling into the hands of another faction. If he can't be convinced then we use the excuse to eliminate him.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:p2k37YnC Sun 10 Apr 2022 22:24:54 No.5225604 Report

Quoted By: >>5225696

>>5225597
What do you think about my ideas about a decisive power grab and turning Avenius into a patsy?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:N+wcJDba Sun 10 Apr 2022 22:28:13 No.5225610 Report

Quoted By: >>5225626

>>5225548
Or announcing the execution of the man responsible for the Imperial vault could be used as proof of our madness, "forcing" the nobles of the empire to choose another emperor, no, without a good investigation, (which would be an excuse to negotiate terms with the other factions), any execution would be an error. For God's sake this is the basics of rules for rules, don't attack the keys needed to reign.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Z8OBZeYi Sun 10 Apr 2022 22:31:38 No.5225615 Report

Quoted By: >>5225626 >>5225650 >>5225718

>>5225597
The man is a lying sycophant. He will cause more troubles in the long run if he is not humbled. He is not untoucheble, we could have Isaac drag him in chains if he gives us a reason to. Only us and the church should be untouchable and that because, in contrast with the western papacy, the church and the bizantine empire were in cahoots and we and ours should be too.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:p2k37YnC Sun 10 Apr 2022 22:39:37 No.5225626 Report

Quoted By: >>5225632 >>5225650 >>5225696

>>5225610
I disagree. He lied to us about the state of the empire. That is treason in of itself. We are the supreme autocrat of this empire, we must live up to that or no one will respect us. We can install like I mentioned someone else who is loyal to us anyways.

Right now we really have no authority other than our personal guard. We must make an impression to establish our authority and getting rid of a corrupt liar is good option. We can rally our subject as well by making him the patsy. I listed all the ways we can use the current situation to either tame or get other factions on our side as well. Do you really have no other thoughts on my ideas?

>>5225615
Agreed. What do you think about >>5225548?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Z8OBZeYi Sun 10 Apr 2022 22:50:22 No.5225632 Report

Quoted By: >>5225703

>>5225626
Too much, too soon. We should imvestigate first before we do any purging so that: 1) we get the right traitors, plural, there's no way it was just him, and 2) we depose the right guys so that it's us who consolidates our power, and no Isaac killing his rivales.
I agree about land seizure, tho it should be limited in scale and we should make clear to the nobles that they have no reason to oppose it since we only do it to enemies of the state, which they surely aren't.
Likewise, I fully support us leaning heavily into church support. If we make us and the church indivizible, we can guarantee that anyone against us is against the church and thus we can rise the masses against them. Also, aiming for sainthood would be a nice goal and religious wars can be good for the empire.
All in all, I think we should be more temperate and not overkill our economy while we're at it.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Mk8wxxdk Sun 10 Apr 2022 22:50:53 No.5225635 Report

Quoted By: >>5225654

>>5225474
>>5225505
I'm adding arrest Avienus to my vote. Getting rid of him will please the General.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:N+wcJDba Sun 10 Apr 2022 22:59:50 No.5225650 Report

Quoted By: >>5225663 >>5225703

>>5225615
>>5225626

First he was apologizing while promising to improve the situation he is not manipulating us, he is trying to survive and that is a sign of weakness. Second we cannot give any serious order without political power behind it, before judging anyone's life we must see that we can bring to our side so far only the patriarch can be considered friendly to our cause. Third and last, the Treasurer may not be untouchable, but neither are we. We have to tread carefully, not threaten to destabilize an important faction of the empire without knowing how things are going behind the scenes.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:N+wcJDba Sun 10 Apr 2022 23:03:18 No.5225654 Report

Quoted By: >>5225703

>>5225635

It's making our tax collectors hate us. By the way, what guarantee do we have that we can choose who will replace Avienus? If it's someone worse? By the way, what guarantee do we have that the general would be with us? He can be glad his rival got screwed and don't owe us anything for it.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Z8OBZeYi Sun 10 Apr 2022 23:12:40 No.5225663 Report

Quoted By: >>5225682 >>5225696 >>5225703

>>5225650
>“But now for the ahhh, yes, the question of the people. You need not concern yourself over such a trivial matter. The people are prospering !"
>“Though it is true, that I cannot deny, that despite the Emperor’s brilliance, the treasury, already dwindling due to the previous Emperor’s wars, had been emptied. But worry not ! I shall ensure that it shall be overflowing once again, your highness, just leave it the hands of this humble servant.”
There is survival and there is literally gaslighting us and encouraging us to let him run the economy. The strategos is even implying that Avienus and his man are embezelling funds and that's the problem, it isn't just him, it's the whole administrative apparatus we have to investigate and purge when needed. To do so, we currently have the support of the church and of the general. I'm not saying to go swords blazing and hang the guy but I do think that you are overestimating his power and necestity. If we can band the people, the church and the army together, while making sure that the senate doesn't intervene, he's done for.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:N+wcJDba Sun 10 Apr 2022 23:36:09 No.5225682 Report

Quoted By: >>5225696

>>5225663
Okay, you're right that we have to reform the administration, as long as we have a plan and real, palpable support.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Sun 10 Apr 2022 23:51:32 No.5225696 Report

Quoted By: >>5225706 >>5225751

>>5225474
>Lock down the city. No one enters, no one leaves.
>Order everyone searched.

Someone will need to be executed, but we should talk it out a bit before people start killing off our Administration.

>>5225529
Calm your tits anon, anyone can just open up the gates to our place, it doesn't mean that we should start massacring the dickless.

>>5225539
The Senator and Eunuch we'll need to check in on. The Admiral is currently weak, we can remake the Navy to be loyal to us, and have them be a counterbalance to the other factions.

>>5225548
The problem with killing our head Administrator is that we risk weakening that institution, forcing us to rely on the others while it's being rebuilt, and even then, it may not be loyal to us. What we need is to raise some knowledgeable in Administrative affairs that can clear house and maybe is more loyal to us, but that take time and people to find someone suitable for the job. Don't think that by arresting someone important but corrupt that things will get better, they can easily get worse instead.

Also, we don't have the gold to spend on opulence. Dad's gonna get a modest funeral, moderate at best.

>>5225604
You need to actually be knowledgeable in how the Administration is actually run and who else to put in change before you seriously start fucking with shit majorly.

>>5225626
Never waste a good crisis, just know that immediately attack the Administration faction right out of the gates (and it WILL be seen as a political attack on them), isn't the smartest move. What we need is to empower a faction to attack another, to give us time to get our bearings and make up our minds on how we want to play this.

>>5225663
I would take the Strategos words with a grain of salt, as he has much to gain from us infighting with our Administration.

Also, we don't have the military's and churches support, at best we have tacit approval because we're beating up on an internal rival, increasing their share of the power pie. Don't forget that we have no supporters here, at least not yet.

>>5225682
We don't have support, but we can leverage our Authority to do something that would appease someone to gain some support. We need to decide on a game plan, and stick with it.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:p2k37YnC Mon 11 Apr 2022 00:00:29 No.5225703 Report

Quoted By: >>5225706 >>5225754

>>5225632
Thanks for your reply anon. I want to note that my idea of a purge and the like will include an investigation of all of the rats and snakes surrounding Avenius. The whole point of turning Avenius into the patsy is to make his name tainted. Regardless of whether Avenius was one of those who killed our father, by focusing all of the frustration and anger of the empire onto him, we can:

1. Throw the conspirators off and maybe let their guard down, thinking they are safe from retaliation if Avenius, although not involved, is taking the fall by name. What I am saying tho is that there are immediate benefits to purge Avenius. All of the conspirators will have to be dealt with eventually anyways. I'm not saying we just target him and forget about everything.
2. If he IS involved, during the course of the investigation, we will gain more information and nip an enemy in the bud and work on other conspirators from there.
3. Mobilize the people towards an enemy. All of the potential angry mob of peasants with pitchforks due to unrest in the empire will instead be pissed at the corrupt that the young new Emperor is now taking care of.

I do want to ask though, what about my post made you worried about overkilling our economy? Would you not say land and property seizure, even limited ones of the corrupt embezzlers wouldn't help fund our endeavors?

>>5225650
>>5225654
I think >>5225663 put it pretty well, but I understand your concerns. Understanding that the administration is corrupt, there are plenty of people who are careerist in nature. We can play people off each other for the position by our side, especially if Avenius had enemies within the administration who were opposed to his leeching off of the empire.

Perhaps it would also be a good idea to ask the Church, Army, and Navy for help, since I am sure there are plenty of learned men who have experience taking care of church lands, church/military assets, and logistics who are also pious in nature and are steadfast against corruption. We also know that mismanaged empire means a weaker church and a weaker military, and we can further win over the Patriarch, Strategos, and Admiral to our side.

As for the general, that's why I am saying we should publically let it be known that the General brought the corruption to our attention, because to outsiders it will make it seem like he is more aligned with us than he may be. He will catch some of the heat coming from Avenius's allies and will act as a powerful deterrent to those who want to mess with us. He will be put in a position where he has to align with us as our enemies will not trust him.

>>5225663
>I'm not saying to go swords blazing
I don't think we should be overzealous, but what I am saying is that we can manufacture consent. Not only are we the Emperor, we can really lean on the bully pulpit to win over the masses. Folks love a good anti-corruption campaign.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:p2k37YnC Mon 11 Apr 2022 00:01:34 No.5225706 Report

Quoted By: >>5225754

>>5225696
Refer to my answers here: >>5225703, specifically including that of getting Church and military men as well as anti-Avenius admins and careerists to replace those caught in the corruption sting. Any thoughts?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:WWRiS1A5 Mon 11 Apr 2022 00:23:35 No.5225718 Report

Quoted By: >>5225728 >>5225754

>>5225474
>Lock down the city. No one enters, no one leaves.
>Order everyone searched.

>Call a council of the six most important personages of the empire.
>Summon Fulgentius for a private meeting beforehand. We must demand to know how such a thing could happen (under his watch especially, but lets not say that in so many words)

>>5225539
>>5225615
These seem like good ideas. I especially like the impossible task thing. As for the general, he seems like a competent and trustworthy individual, so as long as we don't rule incompetently or neglect the army (which would be a terrible idea going off his assessment) he should stay reasonably loyal to us.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Mon 11 Apr 2022 00:33:57 No.5225728 Report

Quoted By: >>5226119

>>5225474
Man, things are really going to shit fast aren't they?
>Lock down the city. No one enters, no one leaves.
>Order everyone searched.
>Call the 6 heads back to the court.
>Meet privately with the ones we haven't met.
Don't arrest anyone... yet.

I agree that some purges are needed and I like the overall plan. Thing is, we don't have enough information to make judgement calls. We've just started and don't know much about anything or anyone. How could we conduct a proper investigation under these immediate circumstances? Before anything, I think we should quickly get acquainted with all the relevant players and court servants. Then we can start making plans.

>>5225718
I like the meeting idea but I'd prefer if we talk to every one of them individually before it.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:N+wcJDba Mon 11 Apr 2022 01:00:20 No.5225751 Report

Quoted By: >>5225754

>>5225696
Mm my point is that there are six factions that we know so far, the national treasury has to support all six and for me by far the biggest risk is in the eunuchs faction, the emperor had all his descendants murdered and we almost died, he was ingesting poison, and the eunuch didn't see any of this happening? Are you telling me that our dynasty was murdered and poisoned, and that the eunuchs had no hand in it? It's frustrating that no one paid attention to this, if the royal family is at risk it's the eunuchs' obligation to protect them, if that's the best they can do they better be executed!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Mon 11 Apr 2022 01:08:51 No.5225754 Report

Quoted By: >>5225784 >>5225794 >>5225834

>>5225703
>What I am saying tho is that there are immediate benefits to purge Avenius.
It's more likely to backfire on our finances, which does affect everything. You can't pay for shit if you don't have anyone getting the gold, and there are going to be a lot of Avenius supporters and corrupt officials within the Administration that will put the squeeze on us if we press too hard without internal Administration support.

>Would you not say land and property seizure, even limited ones of the corrupt embezzlers wouldn't help fund our endeavors?
No, because we'd directly be attacking the people who are supposed to collect our taxes and knows the best way to do so. Many people properly paying their taxes is worth more than some corrupt officials processions.

>especially if Avenius had enemies within the administration who were opposed to his leeching off of the empire.
I don't think we'll find many incorruptible enemies of his mate.

>Perhaps it would also be a good idea to ask the Church, Army, and Navy for help
And become more dependent on the on the actual Administration of our empire? I'd rather take a corrupt but independent Administration rather than split it three ways and have to deal with three factions over administrative matters.

>As for the general, that's why I am saying we should publically let it be known that the General brought the corruption to our attention
And what? Have the public rally in support of the General while publicly revealing our political allegiances straight out of the gate? Why not put the General directly in charge of the Administration while we take a vacation, I'm sure that'll end just peachy for us as well.

>He will be put in a position where he has to align with us as our enemies will not trust him
He's already bitter enemies with the Administration, all that'll change is that we'll be directly stuck in the crossfire. It's a bad play to get publicly involved the factional infighting of our empire, all you'll do is drive important people to hate us, not to woo us and curry favors from the Emperor.

>>5225706
You need to make them the hatchet men without publicly stating or approving of such a play, and even then you'll like replace them with people either loyal to the other factions or just as corrupt as the original.

>>5225718
>As for the general, he seems like a competent and trustworthy individual, so as long as we don't rule incompetently or neglect the army (which would be a terrible idea going off his assessment) he should stay reasonably loyal to us.
Until we put him in charge of the army and he pulls a Father on us after he wins a major battle. There is a reason you can't trust generals, they tend to overthrow he monarch.

>>5225751
Have you figured that the Eunuchs themselves cannot fully prevent every assassination attempt on us or our family? In all likelihood, purging them will make us even more vulnerable to the other factions.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:N+wcJDba Mon 11 Apr 2022 01:40:56 No.5225784 Report

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>>5225754
Every murder? The dynasty has been wiped out! )small difference right?) We are a bastard with no international relationship whatsoever, as I said the idea of creating a special barbarian force to replace the eunuchs is the solution. I'm saying the end of this quest is going to be us having convulsions on the floor while a eunuch laughs.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:N+wcJDba Mon 11 Apr 2022 01:50:53 No.5225794 Report

Quoted By: >>5225807

>>5225754
>Every assassination?
The dynasty has been wiped out! (small difference right?) We are a bastard with no international relationship whatsoever, Without political power, and with dubious legitimacy.

>That was the best they could do.

As I said the idea of creating a special barbarian force to replace the eunuchs is the solution. But if you want the alternative it sounds something like this... Is going to be us having convulsions on the floor, a shattered cup of tea beside us spilling liquid onto the carpet while a eunuch laughs.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Mon 11 Apr 2022 02:03:33 No.5225807 Report

Quoted By: >>5225828

>>5225794
>The dynasty has been wiped out! (small difference right?) We are a bastard with no international relationship whatsoever, Without political power, and with dubious legitimacy.

Yes, and that won't be solve by slaughtering our household servants and replacing them with even more unknowns. We need to pacify them until we get our barrings, not engaged in hot conflict with them.

>As I said the idea of creating a special barbarian force to replace the eunuchs is the solution
And pray tell, how would that make them MORE loyal to us and the empire? That'll just end up opening the palace gates to foreign invaders! We're better off building up the royal guard from scratch, at least then we can trust that they won't open up our gates to the enemy! I swear, we're gonna end up deposed and dead by the end of this thread with the ideas we're coming up with.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:N+wcJDba Mon 11 Apr 2022 02:29:58 No.5225828 Report

Quoted By: >>5225835

>>5225807
>And pray tell, how would that make them MORE loyal to us and the empire?

>Do you know what the Varangian Guard was?

I don't want to teach a history lesson but in short, they would be killed if the emperor died, the description being that the population itself would tear them apart if they weren't the royal guard, this worked in real history for good reason. Seriously have a quick read on the wiki.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:p2k37YnC Mon 11 Apr 2022 02:41:55 No.5225834 Report

Quoted By: >>5225846

>>5225754
>It's more likely to backfire on our finance
I believe we are coming from different places here. You are assuming that the Administration has utility in its current form at all. As we can already see by the sore state domestically and the fact that we are already broke, the Administration is NOT doing what it is supposed to in its current state.

I also think you underestimate how much wealth is currently squared away by corrupt men in charge of the Empire's finances. It is not just currency that we would be confiscating, it will be land, assets, goods, etc. All of which can be of immediate use compared to complete lack of resources we have now. Our tax base, the peasantry, is depleted. We know that many powerful nobles and individuals hoard wealth and men jealously for themselves. A corruption sting can give us justification to go after individuals who actively parasite off the Empire while enriching our coffers. Much of it is rightfully ours as well.

>I don't think we'll find many incorruptible enemies of his mate.
Maybe, maybe not. We can however, find people who can be loyal to the hand that feeds them, especially if we appoint these people.

>I'd rather take a corrupt but independent Administration rather than split it three ways and have to deal with three factions over administrative matters.
Have you heard of coalition building? The army has interests in things running things smoothly. The church wants our ear, while understanding that a strong military means a strong faith. The Navy is extremely weakened, but I am sure understands this all the same and would be easier for us to control. There are bureaucrats that administrate for the army, church, and navy, and with the help of those that remain in the administration, they can make the trains run on time. We are not sending executive leaders that would really shake things up. We would be requesting scholars and academics to bolster the Administration post-purge.

>Have the public rally in support of the General while publicly revealing our political allegiances straight out of the gate?
Messaging is everything. By doing this ourselves we are setting the narrative for all those who observe. The Strategos is our subject. By thanking him for bringing the corruption to our attention (which he did do), while we take initiative to clean it up, we are making clear the dynamics of authority. That he came to the Emperor for help. All the while, to the court, it'll seem like Isaac is on our side which bolsters our weak starting position as he is a formidable man. By going after the corrupt Administration, we would also win points with him.

>all you'll do is drive important people to hate us, not to woo us and curry favors from the Emperor.
Anon, I believe we have to get involved to get allies. We can't play neutral as our position is tenable. Being Emperor carries weight, but we're a new Emperor with questionable legitimacy. We need to establish our authority.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Mon 11 Apr 2022 02:42:20 No.5225835 Report

Quoted By:

>>5225828
When you said barbarian, I assumed those at our gates. It may work, but it will take time, time in which we will have to pacify our household servants.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Mon 11 Apr 2022 03:02:42 No.5225846 Report

Quoted By: >>5225882

>>5225834
>As we can already see by the sore state domestically and the fact that we are already broke, the Administration is NOT doing what it is supposed to in its current state.
I agree, but you assume we could fix it with no knowledge of the internal politics of the Administration or how it's supposed to function. It'll be like a child playing with chemicals, it won't end well.

>I also think you underestimate how much wealth is currently squared away by corrupt men in charge of the Empire's finances.
I think you underestimate how much we rely on a functional Administration right now, even in its corrupt state. Without a functional administration, we ain't getting taxes (and despite what you may think, taxing the corrupt bureaucracy and seizing their property won't cover the budget shortfall of the taxman not getting taxes from the rich, the merchants, or the poor, not to mention the logistics of actually supplying food to our armies, enfeebled as they may be currently, at least they ain't starving. It will take decades to unfuck the administration properly without fucking our empire over in the process.

>Have you heard of coalition building?
The problem is making sure the coalition needs us to function, and giving them Administrative authority is making them self-sufficient outside of our powerbase. It's literally safer and in our interests for us to keep the Administration independent from the other factions.

>Messaging is everything
I like controlling the narrative, so you won me over there, but this will weaken the empire until we get the Administration sorted out.

>We need to establish our authority.
I can agree to that, I just want you to realize that this is a larger gamble than you're making it out to be. Once we move, we'll have to commit, and it will weaken us if an invasion happens.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:tJNMIOer Mon 11 Apr 2022 03:03:37 No.5225847 Report

Quoted By: >>5225850 >>5225868 >>5225882 >>5226119

Methinks we shouldn't start purges without any competent candidates to replace them. Turning ourselves into a Mao tier paranoid schizo because our subordinates aren't kissing our ass every 5 seconds is no way to run a functioning, prosperous country, let alone an empire on the edge of collapse.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:tJNMIOer Mon 11 Apr 2022 03:05:48 No.5225850 Report

Quoted By: >>5225868

>>5225847
Or caligula/Nero tier schizo, probably more relevant.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:x2BLfDaF Mon 11 Apr 2022 03:31:16 No.5225868 Report

Quoted By:

>>5225847
>>5225850
Like father like son, hahaha. I think we should probably hold off on mass-executions until we've cemented our powerbase. Avienus needs to go, however. Preferably subtly.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:p2k37YnC Mon 11 Apr 2022 03:57:08 No.5225882 Report

Quoted By:

>>5225846
> It'll be like a child playing with chemicals, it won't end well.
This is a fair point, although I think in-character we might be able to understand competently because of our academic background.
>It will take decades to unfuck the administration properly without fucking our empire over in the process
I don't think we have decades, and even then, unless you are more specific about potential solutions, the only way I see corruption in the highest levels of our bureaucracy getting addressed is by heads rolling. Under the justification of our father's death and the state of the Empire, we can easily scapegoat Avienus and his cronies.
> It's literally safer and in our interests for us to keep the Administration independent from the other factions.
You make a good point. Perhaps we don't need to involve other factions since we would only need to target the major ringleaders associated with Avienius while we intimidate the low level lackeys to actually do their job. We then elevate either ambitious but competent careerists or actually loyal people to leadership. I am sure some midlevel functionary who kept his head down would love his boss's job and could do it well enough. Those who are small-time offenders or are repentant would be subject to audits and a watchful eye.

>>5225847
Ok then, what about just the major leaders or offenders?

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Anonymous ID:ZHS1g5pG Mon 11 Apr 2022 08:09:47 No.5226119 Report

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>>5225728
I +1 this idea. Yes Avienus is sus but we should really look into all of this before going full Stalin on our court.
>>5225847
This basically.

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Anonymous ID:1uGFN88D Mon 11 Apr 2022 08:10:34 No.5226120 Report

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>>5225474
>Lock down the city. No one enters, no one leaves.
>Order everyone searched.

>Write In
- Silence. We talk, and the people we order or talk with will then answer.
- Start an investigation, we need someone (a doctor preferably) to see what kind of poison was given to our father and how expensive it is, from which region is from and so on (maybe it smells a lot ? maybe it leaves some color on clothing even when inside a container ecc ..). Have this doctor use gloves and a piece of cloth over his mouth. We don't know if the rest of the emperor's robes, crown and insignia could be poisoned. Give this doctor space for look at the emperor body, also a table. Put some guards around him so nobody gets touchy with clues.
- For the moment don't shoot anyone down, but give orders and look for clues. If we find enough, maybe we can say something that can make sense and throw an accusation against someone.
- Both the secretary and our uncle are suspicious since they both left in a hurry. The secretary didn't really want to talk to us, and just wanted to leave. I would say the secretary, but hold our horses for now.
- Ask a servant and a guard to go and get us a blade, a armor and an older imperial crown, this is more a symbol than our true coronation. Having them on us is for show we are taking our position RIGHT NOW, and we don't want to get assassinated in our court since our father just died.
- Call the six figures of the emperor court, without their entourage. We will have to talk with them while the investigation continues. Preferably divide them, don't put them together.

>Have Armentarius to calm the court, he has more experience.
At the same time, it needs to be seen that we give the order to him, and tell him to have two of our guards on our sides (plus him). Complete silence would be good and no movement of people. Don't beat to death people yet though. A harsh voice and a show of martial strength, yes.
>Have somebody make a list with everyone that attended court and every servant.
There should be a scribe or more on hand, give him a guard for protect him and ensure the list is done. Then he gets back to us and reads it, not with a loud voice.
>Send guards to the harbor and to the houses of those who left early.
Have another scribe give us paper and a table, so we can quickly write imperial orders on paper with our seal. Then give it to each sergeant of the emperor guard and send them with their group of guards where we want.
>Order every servant to be searched and interrogated.
Divide them and the courtiers, in two distinct groups. Then divide them between occupations. Have guards around them.
>Make sure we are seen giving these orders, to show initiative
^^^ This, but do it in a clean matter and one order at the time. And again complete silence in the court, so is easier.

>>5225478

Yes is nice

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Anonymous ID:1uGFN88D Mon 11 Apr 2022 09:07:15 No.5226157 Report

Quoted By: >>5226214 >>5226238

>>5225529
Wo there
>kill all the eunuchs
>just invite foreign barbarians and replace the entire guard
We have no influence first we need to show we are professional and follow a method before attacking anyone. We need to look not like our father, people will get scared quickly if we act like him. Some balance is needed, we will attack someone and harshly at that. If we do it without nothing though, it will reflect on us badly.
Also do remember that our guard, literally did fought and protected us against assassins yesterday and not just that they retrieved us from our village. Hell they give us tips on how to use a horse. They didn't need to do one single thing of that, they could have just done something else and maybe ensure our death or injury, or disease, or us looking dumb or drunk/drugged.
That is a show of loyalty, small, but it's one.
While it might have worked for someone else, it doesn't mean it will work the same here. This is still a sort of fantasy setting.
I think we could look on creating guards from orphaned or abandoned children, all of imperial origin not barbarian. Barbarians could still plot and get their people to attack us in an intelligent way.
Kids not so much, maybe we should build a fortress where to train them and put them away from other influences beside our own. It could be good to have them educated alongside our future kids, so that they share a bond.
Still this is future talking, we should check the emperor guards first. If it's not too shit they don't need to be thrown all in the fire.

>>5225555
quads
Better no, now the situation is delicate.
We should do it when we have resolved the situation (throw an accusation and give justice to one we think culprit {uncle or secretary being possible culprits to take}. Or find the actual culprit if we are lucky), and when our official coronation is done.
Even so we might still not announce when we are done with this problem. A marriage is a political weapon, and could create a solid alliance between us and someone else.
But we could also look for someone with no ties, that would be more loyal and useful to us. And wouldn't make our kids our enemies, parents usually hold half and half of attention, love and education of kids in their minds and hearts. Unless parents treat them badly and compromize that natural behaviour.

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Anonymous ID:WWRiS1A5 Mon 11 Apr 2022 10:53:44 No.5226214 Report

Quoted By: >>5226224

>>5226157
>Don't go crazy and purge the entire political system and our royal guard, that'd be bad
>make child soldiers instead!

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Anonymous ID:1hbxesO4 Mon 11 Apr 2022 11:24:29 No.5226224 Report

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>>5226214
Didn't said we will not purge just that we have no influence at the moment. Having some proof would help, otherwise we aren't cutting some branches, we cut an entire tree and expect things to be ok afterwards.
Yeah is a crazy idea to be honest, but not an ultimatum on what we need do in regard to the guards. I am ok with other ideas, the kids one is kind of grim i admit. But I wouldn't put my trust on a complete barbarian nobody. And again we still don't know much about our own guards, before giving judgment we should see how they are.

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Anonymous ID:N+wcJDba Mon 11 Apr 2022 11:54:15 No.5226238 Report

Quoted By: >>5226435

>>5226157

>Our guard, literally did fought and protected us against assassins yesterday.
Let's go one more time, the palace bodyguards weren't protecting us, they were following the orders of the emperor, who is now dead. We still have to talk to them to find out if they supported us in the coronation.

>I think we could look on creating guards from orphaned or abandoned children.
The reason foreign bodyguards work is for logical reasons, the same ones that make foreigners the best tax collectors.
We, as Emperor, are the only guarantee that they will live, as they are foreigners they have no connection or alliances with any of the other factions, and even if they try to join a conspiracy the chance of them dying at the end of it would be too great, (they are barbarians, not retards.)
Third, their lives would be much better serving us than risking themselves on random battlegrounds. If they fail and we are murdered, it is a guarantee that they will also die and the traditional guard will return with the new emperor. My plan is logical, it takes a maximum of three months to implement and we know it is capable of working. Your plan, it takes years that we don't have, and the hope that these kids won't be influenced by anyone else, which is nothing more than positive thoughts.

>Some balance is needed, we will attack someone and harshly at that.
A corrupt tax collector is one thing, an organization that has fundamentally failed in its mission is quite another. By the way I didn't say to have them killed immediately, I said that until the gates open again this faction that proved to be almost useless has to be destroyed. Seriously, what's the argument you or another anonymous person has for letting them die after such a display of incompetence? Or do you think that castrating someone more loyal will be difficult? Just ask the patriarch for good-hearted people to help us with the palace servants until our foreign protection arrives, who would be crazy to invade the Palace and massacre church men?

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Anonymous ID:S1Wf1zxT Mon 11 Apr 2022 12:46:27 No.5226259 Report

Quoted By: >>5226314

All this autism is a beautiful sight to behold and a sign of a good quest to come (so long as OP keeps it up).

Anyway, locking down the city seems to have a lot of support. I want to propose a caveat to this - to lock down the city and the palace complex separately. If there is someone we want to have some words with, it'll be much easier to comb through the staff if they're all still at the palace rather than having to track them down in the alleys and hidey-holes in the city. The city lockdown should be a second layer of security.

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Anonymous ID:WWRiS1A5 Mon 11 Apr 2022 14:08:40 No.5226314 Report

Quoted By: >>5226325

>>5226259
It really does make you realise how people like Nero and Caligula become the way they are. Our character hasn't even been crowned emperor yet and anons are already drawing up proscriptions and looking at everyone around us with suspicion. I had expected we'd do our best to overcome the trials of dealing with the empire and court while striving to fix this mess of an empire, but we may just end up becoming a cold-blooded tyrant.

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Anonymous ID:S1Wf1zxT Mon 11 Apr 2022 14:22:21 No.5226325 Report

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>>5226314
Yeah, anons need to back off on that before they dive headfirst into paranoia. The old bastard might not even have been murdered at all, just keeled from a pulmonary embolism or something over since we knew he was on death's door already. We also know there are definitely bad actors out there with us in their crosshairs that need to be investigated as a matter of urgency before they can do something stupid, but if anything locking down the palace and the city allows us time to try and get a handle on things with everyone here, before everyone else knows and without interference.

Before we start chopping heads, fact-finding investigations and audits need to be run since we do not know much ourselves about the wider Empire and information we get from people here will be through their own personal lenses. While the state of things needs attention asap, flailing around and jumping to conclusions just risks further harm.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:0BQjCM43 Mon 11 Apr 2022 15:31:39 No.5226377 Report

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>>5225474
>>Lock down the city. No one enters, no one leaves.
>>Order everyone searched.

Lets hold off on purges for the moment

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Anonymous ID:1uGFN88D Mon 11 Apr 2022 16:40:31 No.5226435 Report

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>>5226238
We still have to talk to them, yeah as soon as we can. An emperor that was crazy in the head, old and not in good health. While they might obey orders out of fear of him, they would be dumb on not seeing the opportunity of gaining the trust and favor of the prince.

Humans are not logical all the time, bar bar are not exactly that or our people for that matter. There are also plenty of problems with it, and we don't know if it would go the same way as the varangians.
We know next to nothing of the barbarians which we would take. What we know is that the empire has enemies on its doors, half heretics and the other half heathens, and barbarians would probably be made of pagans.
What do we do since we still hold no influence, if they decide to sell us or betray us ? Never mind theymight not even talk our language so we have strangers talking a tongue we don't even know and that defends us. Barbarians are already many in the army with the mercenaries' presence, having more and in a position that would give them a considerable amount of power would send the wrong message.

Simple, i want us to hold something before making accusations, what we know now is little. While we are the emperor we are also a complete nobody, bastard, peasant and with no accomplishments. Let's get something to use and throw at them, beyond mere words.
For example, in the case of our dear administrator we should take hold of the papers about taxation and see how much goes in our treasury, and how much in his pockets.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Mon 11 Apr 2022 17:02:36 No.5226458 Report

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Lock down the city 12

Order everyone searched 10

Have Armentarius to calm the court 2

Have somebody make a list with everyone that attended court and every servant 2

Send guards to the harbour and to the houses of those who left early 2

Order every servant to be searched and interrogated 1

Make sure we are seen giving these orders, to show initiative 2

retrieve Protasekretis Avienus 1

Arrest Avienus 2

Call for a council 4

Summon Fulgentius for a private meeting 2

Meet privately with the ones we haven't met 2

Silence everyone 1

call for a doctor 1

Clad in regalia 1

Okay, I have a general idea on what to write.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Mon 11 Apr 2022 19:43:45 No.5226588 Report

Quoted By: >>5226591

“Hear our words !” Your voice shaking, you call out, mimicking your father’s words you heard mere hours ago.

”We hear !” As one, entirely out of instinct, respond the courtiers. The room now descending into silence, listening for your every word.

“Domestikos Armentarius !” The man falls to one knee as you call his name. “We hereby command you to prevent anyone from entering and leaving the royal palace, the royal district and the city as a whole. Gather the Scholae Tagmata, I want everyone within the palace searched and investigated.”

“As you command !” Receiving his orders, he swiftly departs.

“Eunuch !” You call out.

“Yes, your majesty.” Quickly steps out one of the countless faces.

“Have the royal physician examine my father and the cause of all this.” The Eunuch bows, quickly rushing off.

It’s good that I was able to read a treatise on the imperial court.

“Guards !” The man standing next to the walls snap at attention. “Protect the body, ensure that no one comes near it.”

“Chartoularios tou kanikleiou (keeper of the imperial inkstand) !”

“Your majesty.” Bowing responds an elderly man, dressed in yellow velvets.

“Have the list of all those who attended the court, including their servants, prepared for my inspection. I also need parchment and ink, for I have decrees to issue.”

“I shall guide you to the Royal office at once, your majesty.”

“Very well, lead the way.” Thanks to your education, you know that the imperial seal needed for decrees and commands cannot leave the Royal office.

You depart the throne room, your guards already beginning their search. Other members of the Scholae, six in total, fall in and surround you. Surprisingly, your mind is clear, you have a plan of action already forming in your mind, perhaps rulership is truly in one’s blood ? Some of your thoughts turning towards dark corners certainly make you think so, as you already ponder whether or not a purge may be necessary.

Swiftly arriving at the Royal office, you are shocked by its sheer size. It is not a working room as you had imaged, rather, it is an entire complex in and of itself. A separate kitchen, already manned by servants preparing the Emperor’s meals, look upon in curiosity, but they quickly avert their gazes noticing your guards. There are separate baths, both hot and cold, a sweating room, massage room, exercise room, a general parlour in which one could entertain guests, on the side you see doors leading to individual bedrooms. Finally, you do reach the officer part, of the royal office.

Seating yourself into the fine cushy chair behind a large oak desk decorated with ivory, ebony, and gold. Your mind cannot help but turn and wonder how many heads of cattle you could acquire by selling this singular piece of furniture.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Mon 11 Apr 2022 19:45:02 No.5226591 Report

Quoted By: >>5226594

>>5226588

“Kanikleiou.” You say beginning to write, your neat and tidy script quickly filling the page.

“Yes, your majesty ?”

“Bring me my father’s armour and sword, as well as a royal diadem.”

“Understood, your majesty, but before I leave, though this is lacking in ceremony, I must present you this.”

Gingerly and with great care, he hands you over a single expertly crafted small box made out of mithril. A rare and expensive material, the heat required to work is so intense that it requires specialized facilities to forge even a single blade, and even then, one to forge it must be one of the greatest smith’s in an era.

You take the cool, but surprisingly light box and open in. Within it, on a purple cushion, rests the imperial seal, symbol of your office. The seal is made entirely out of jade, a beautifully carved wolf, so life like that if you stare at it long enough, you swear you can see in draw breath. The seal itself, as you flip it over, depicts the royal diadem, with intricate designs, carvings, and saying of authority all around it, to make it as difficult as possible for anyone to forge it.

With his duty done, the old man departs, leaving you alone in the office, the doors leading to it guarded by your men.

What a strange thought, my men. People that I command, not friends, nor family, but obedient servants.

Writing out six separate decrees in but a few minutes, you call out.

“Guard.” Reacting to your voice, one of the men opens the door and steps in. “Have these delivered to the domestikos. Tell him that I wish for them to be kept separate and in comfort.”

“As you command, your majesty.” Quickly taking your decrees, the man sets off.

And now, having quickly secured the precarious situation, you are left to do nothing but wait. And wait you shall, but not locked up in the office, no matter how your instincts scream at you to do so, you never were the sociable sort. No, you shall return to the throne room, you are the Emperor, and you will act like one, but before that, you learn the art of presentation.

The servants scurry around you, strapping you into the heavy, uncomfortable steel armour. You’d wish you had mithril, but that legendary material is so difficult to work with, that at most you can expect to posses a single box in the entire empire.

Finally, stuffed heavily in articulate plate armour, decorated to the extreme, a golden wolf set into your chest piece, a flowing purple cloak trailing behind you, the crown-helmet rattling as you move. You return to the throne room.

There, a wise looking man, with thinning grey hair, dressed in thick white cloth clothes, a mask covering his face, glass set where his eyes should be, allowing for sight whilst providing protection from the environments. Thick leather gloves also cover the man’s hands, ensuring that nothing infectious could spread upon him.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Mon 11 Apr 2022 19:46:04 No.5226594 Report

Quoted By: >>5226610 >>5226613 >>5226617 >>5226635 >>5226636 >>5226646 >>5226693 >>5226762 >>5226771

>>5226591

The sight of the new emperor, clad in armour, quiets the murmuring room.

“Physician, what have you found ?”

Rising from the body, the man bows before you. “Your majesty. I have examined your kin.” His muffled voice states. “Judging by the blueing of lips and the coughing up of blood, I can ascertain that his death was caused by blood filling his majesty’s lungs.”

A painful way to die.

“What had caused it ?”

“The closest possibility would be poison transmitted by air. A mixture coms to mind, Blutatem, literally meaning blood breath. It originates from the Lucenian forested homeland.”

“So, it came from the East.” You say pondering, slowly making your way to one of the braziers emitting the pleasing smell of incense. “Can it be burnt ?”

Realizing your implications, the physician arrives to the closest brazier to the throne, the one you are currently standing next to. He begins scooping up some ash and begins to sift through it. “Hmmm…This small stick.” He points out a burnt piece of wood, barely the length of his pinkie finger. “Wodern, a harmless plant by itself, if slightly poisonous, but it is one of the main ingredients of Blutatem. The amount around us harmless, as long as we do not breathe too deeply. Given enough time, it is possible for the poison to accumulate to the point of lethality, no matter how dispersed.”

“Thank you, physician. Move my father’s body, with respect.”

“Naturally, your majesty.” Bowing he responds.

With your father’s body removed, still clad in the heavy, sweaty, uncomfortable armour, you sit upon the throne. Awaiting your domestikos to return.

Minutes pass, before finally, a messenger arrives. Dropping to his knees and kowtowing before you. “Your majesty, the gates have been closed. No ships are allowed to leave port. Domestikos Armentarius wishes to inform you that Megas doux Mundus had left port before the city was closed down. Strategos Isaac had also departed for the East before your decree was issued, alongside prōtoproedros Leontius.”

You frown at that. Not good. Three out of six are gone.

“And the others ?”

“Oikoumenikós Patriárchēs Anatolius, hears you decree and obeys. He should be arriving soon. Parakoimomenos Fulgentius is waiting for your command within his chamber, isolated as you had commanded.”

“And Protasekretis Avienus ?”

Hesitating for a moment, the guard speaks up. “The protasekretis had been dragged out of a whorehouse, he is currently being escorted by the domestikos.” He finishes his report.

“Chartoularios tou kanikleiou, has the list been assembled ?”

“It has, your majesty.”

>Issue decrees for the arrest of someone (Who?)

>Converse with someone (Who?)

>Torture for a confession (Who?)

>(Write in)

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Mon 11 Apr 2022 19:49:50 No.5226595 Report

Quoted By: >>5226625 >>5226635 >>5226693 >>5227275

I had forgotten to post this yesterday.

The scale is basically Europe + The Mediterranean.

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Anonymous ID:rnXHeJfo Mon 11 Apr 2022 20:14:49 No.5226610 Report

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>>5226594
>Converse with Avienus
Try and see if we can wrangle the truth out of him subtly if it's him, do with him what we wish.

Then,

>Converse with the Patriarch
The soothing words of those who know deeply of the Shepherd can calm our mind

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:7FlXZulx Mon 11 Apr 2022 20:15:34 No.5226613 Report

Quoted By: >>5226616 >>5226771 >>5226887

>>5226594
>Send a member of the Scholae to investigate the harbour to learn where Mundus has gone, in which ship, with whom he was, etc.
>Converse with Armentarius after he finishes escorting Avienus to his room about enything he saw while out there, before sending him to interrogate Fulgentius.
>Meanwhile, inspect the list we ordered.
>Meet with Armentarius and have him told us everything he learned before sending him to interrogate Avienus while we play good cop with Fulgentius.
>Keep doing this to any person of interest to see if there are any contradictions in their story.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:0BQjCM43 Mon 11 Apr 2022 20:22:26 No.5226616 Report

Quoted By: >>5226619 >>5226640

>>5226613
A game of clue it is, support

I fear everyone has forgotten our dear uncle as well however.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Mon 11 Apr 2022 20:23:55 No.5226617 Report

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>>5226594
>Converse with someone (Anatolius, Fulgentius)

My bet? It's a plot between Issac and Leontius, to frame the East and have Issac focus our ire there while he lead his men to success, only to turn around to March on the Capital. Avienus clearly didn't do it, at best he's a corrupt Pycelle, not looking to create waves so he can embezzle funds. Question is, do we rid ourselves of him or use his corruption as an attack against Issac during his military campaign against the East? The Enuch is an unknown factor, but I don't think he necessarily benefited for Dad's death.

How can we benefit from this mess? We could start purging the Administration and either sic Issac on the East or focus our attention elsewhere.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:7FlXZulx Mon 11 Apr 2022 20:25:31 No.5226619 Report

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>>5226616
Why do you think I said any person of interest?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:N+wcJDba Mon 11 Apr 2022 20:36:36 No.5226625 Report

Quoted By: >>5226631 >>5226633

>>5226595

QM I'm sorry to bother but the Latin/Greek is confusing the hell out of me, maybe because I'm a complete idiot? Yes. But still, I would be grateful if the characters' titles were written in English, if that's possible of course.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Mon 11 Apr 2022 20:42:14 No.5226631 Report

Quoted By: >>5226635

>>5226625

I can keep writing titles like I had when I previously introduced them for the first time, like this: Oikoumenikós Patriárchēs (ecumenical patriarch) Anatolius. If that would be preferable to you anons

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Mon 11 Apr 2022 20:44:22 No.5226633 Report

Quoted By: >>5226638 >>5226693

>>5226625

I can keep writing titles like I had when I previously introduced them for the first time, like this: Oikoumenikós Patriárchēs (ecumenical patriarch) Anatolius. If that would be preferable to you anons.

(Forgot formatting)

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Anonymous ID:1hbxesO4 Mon 11 Apr 2022 20:47:37 No.5226635 Report

Quoted By: >>5226771

>>5226594
Well well.
Our show of force sort of worked that s nice. The Blutatem sounds like it costs a lot.
Now our general, admiral and the head of the senate are not here. And would you look at that the Administrator was with some whores, while the emperor died .... too strange. But it does give us more ammo against the Administrator. Our uncle i think was also going east and we had a conversation of barely moments. Too much hurry

>Write in
- Have our Physician make further controls on the poison. Having done that, control if the Blutatem or small parts of it, are present on clothing or objects of the people in the court.
- Have a servant bring us the latest military orders given to our admiral and general. After that the last decisions from the senate. And any recent report from our eunuch and our administratror. Before our father died. This might reveal something.
- Done that read the list one of our scribes did.

>Converse with someone (Who?)
- Take a small break (a bit of rest, water and food nothing extravagant), and talk with Armentarius about the current things. Especially what he has found.
- Then we talk with Fulgentius
- After that Anatolius, and thank him for be here. We can ask him what he thinks personally.
- And lastly Avienus.

>>5226595
Really nice map

>>5226631
That s fine for me. Works well

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:N+wcJDba Mon 11 Apr 2022 20:51:52 No.5226636 Report

Quoted By: >>5226644 >>5226887

>>5226594
>Create a decree forbidding our general and our admiral to conduct any military incursions without our authorization.
This decree has two functions, the first is to test the loyalty of the two if they insist on moving the troops or the navy without our authorization we will have a clue where to look for traitors. It is the second function and that of publicly showing our authority over the Imperial army and navy.

>Create a Prison Decree for our uncle.
Between the way our father was murdered or how he was going to benefit, we have no choice but to kill him fast, the worst case would be civil war at the beginning of our reign. The reason for a decree of arrest is that if he resists, we can wash our hands of public opinion by giving the Execution order, if he doesn't resist we execute him in jail and no one will talk about it anymore.

>Meet with the leaders while still in the capital.
Just to save our time, literally no reason not to talk to all of them.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:N+wcJDba Mon 11 Apr 2022 20:53:05 No.5226638 Report

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>>5226633
Sounds good to me.

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Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Mon 11 Apr 2022 20:56:08 No.5226640 Report

Quoted By: >>5226659 >>5226666

>>5226616
If it was our uncle, he would wait in the Capital and kill us as well. This my be a Ceaser play by Issac, casus belli on the East to gain wealth and military might, then march on Rome to make himself Emperor. Question is, how do we use his strategic genius to bring the East back in the fold without turning Issac into Ceaser?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:S1Wf1zxT Mon 11 Apr 2022 21:05:45 No.5226644 Report

Quoted By: >>5226652 >>5226666 >>5226887 >>5227413

>>5226636
If those two do decide to disobey our orders and go gallivaning off on a military adventure, is there anything we could actually do to stop them? They may well command more of the military's loyalty (or at least their good remaining troops) than we do and, if that is the case, could already pull off a coup at their discretion.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Mon 11 Apr 2022 21:08:10 No.5226646 Report

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>>5226594
>Ask where our Uncle is governor of

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Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Mon 11 Apr 2022 21:16:25 No.5226652 Report

Quoted By: >>5226700 >>5226887

>>5226644
The military's loyalty is to the purse strings. You must simply prevent them from getting rich by their military leaders hands, or supplied by a foreign power.

We need to start figuring out our game plan and priorities, so we begin working toward fixing some of our Empire's problems and begin mitigating some of the obvious risks to our rule.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:7FlXZulx Mon 11 Apr 2022 21:21:56 No.5226659 Report

Quoted By: >>5226700 >>5226712 >>5226887

>>5226640
There are a couple of questions to be answered: does he have a faction of supporters? is the status quo bad enough to warrant a Caesar? and is it in his best interest to revolt? If the answer to both of those is yes than we have a Caesar situation. However, those have their counters:
We can combat the influence of his supporters back here to ensure he doesn't have the political and administrative power to overthrow us(one of the reasons I don't want to go swords blazing and purge the administration since we can make use of their rivalry to keep both of them on a leash).
We can make ourself a fair, just and moral ruler so that the people won't support him. The chuch would play a big part in this so we sould gather as much of their support as we could within reason(fasting on Not!Sundays, returning holy artifacts, building and renovating churches, etc.)
As for the last one, that's the tricky part, we should try and place us and him in the same "do our best for the empire" image while making it clear that WE are the empire and at the same time we should give him just enough freedom and glory to not have a reason to bear a grudge while we take the lion's share of prestige for improving the empire.
I still think we should aim for sainthood and be an actual moral ruler despite all the machialvellian stuff we'll be doing.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:1hbxesO4 Mon 11 Apr 2022 21:30:44 No.5226666 Report

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>>5226640
We could slow him with something, send a co-general or even go ourselves with him.
Is not easy honestly, but there is some stuff we can do here. Perhaps gain the heart of the city for a start.

>>5226644
Perhaps supplies, training of more troops , or calling for a general review of forces. Maybe new equipment and see if they can become better prepared for battle and what now. All things for slow and see if we can be there looking at things

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:QyPVQ7I/ Mon 11 Apr 2022 21:47:07 No.5226693 Report

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>>5226594
This kid's not even eighteen and he's already orating to and locking down an imperial court. What a chad. I'm not too wise on politicking but I'd wager we shouldn't hesitate to lean on the Patriarch. He has every advantsge to gain from keeping us safe and sound.

>>5226595
Now this is a cool map.

>>5226633
I personally like either or, this is an extremely atmospheric quest.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:S1Wf1zxT Mon 11 Apr 2022 21:53:35 No.5226700 Report

Quoted By: >>5226741 >>5226801

>>5226652
Actually, I remember they said the Empire makes heavy use of mercs, so the loyalty to whoever pays them goes double and if he offers them more, they'd go over to his side with the snap of a finger. They'd be much more threat after they've managed to make some conquests now. Paranoia is not healthy, but we should try and come up with a means to ensure their loyalty without obstructing their mission or pissing them off or at least try and get a gauge on their loyalties and motivations.

All this intrigue and political machinations makes my head hurt. Once we've got a handle on the immediate situation we can properly get down to business. After the mess is sorted, we could consider the creation of what essentially amounts to a secret police organisation loyal and reporting directly to us to proactively investigate things like this on the down-low.

>>5226659
>spoiler
If we have to keep control with the jackboot, we're doing something wrong. If we're competent, genuinely try to act in the interest of our Empire and subjects and address internal problems before they get out of hand, we shouldn't need to rule by fear though the realities of the era and court politics will still require backroom scheming, tactful internal application of force and putting the fright up people when needed.

I've missed having a good civ quest since No Gods No Masters and 40KAI. I'd rather this one doesn't make "gets more elaborate and autistic until the QM burns out a few threads in" three for three

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:1hbxesO4 Mon 11 Apr 2022 22:01:12 No.5226712 Report

Quoted By: >>5226743 >>5227413

>>5226659
Honestly let s check a possible situation for marriages.

1 With General. He might not want full power, and he likely realize that another emperor will not stabilize the empire. If he doesn't want to go full Caesar, a marriage for solidfy the army position could be a objective.
2 Head of Senate. Leontius could give us a marriage, but we are a bastard and a peasant. He likely doesn't like us for that. But if we marry any kids would be noble.
3 Admiral. The navy needs help, he could have interest in a marriage.
4 Church. He doesn't want heretics, pagans or corruption. He likes our education, he could send an holy woman or a woman from a pious noble family connected to the church.
5 We find it on our own. Will require time honestly. Unless we already know someone in our village.
6 Akoeine, Lucenians or a strong barbarian tribe on the borders. Very unexpected and wild.

The problem with marriage is that we are a bastard and a peasant. Of course this is only for political marriages and not all care of noble blood.
Having a peasant background give us an idea of how our people live, their problems, needs and so on. This can be useful for gain their favour.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:1hbxesO4 Mon 11 Apr 2022 22:17:40 No.5226741 Report

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>>5226700
>After the mess is sorted, we could consider the creation of what essentially amounts to a secret police organisation loyal and reporting directly to us to proactively investigate things like this on the down-low.
A very good idea.... wait a moment.
You know what's strange why those assasins on the road wheren't stop by assasins or spies of the emperor, before they attacked the guards ?
There is likely a 7 figure of importance and that would be a imperial spymaster, it must not be public knowledge but I doubt a spymaster figure doesn't exist. Having someone leading spies and assasinsis important for any state, even an empire. Or that our father didn't have imperial assasins and spies serving him.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:7FlXZulx Mon 11 Apr 2022 22:21:10 No.5226743 Report

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>>5226712
Mate what? Out of everything you said, the only probable thing would be Leontius because he's a noble. Do we even know if Isaac or Mundus have anyone to marry off and the church doesn't work that way.
Stop thinking in terms of feudal kingdoms, here we are playing by bizantine rules so instead of vasals and political marrying we have courtiers and clerico-military rule. Who we were doesn't matter now that we are the emperor and as THE emperor we don't have to court the favour of others as much as they have to court ours so do you want a Marie Antoinette or a Theodora?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:S1Wf1zxT Mon 11 Apr 2022 22:35:12 No.5226758 Report

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>>5226741
Now you mention it, that is a very real possibility. If he had a spymaster (very likely), finding out their identity will be a challenge if nobody knows and if they've gone rogue and dislike us that could be a very real problem. Still, how do you fight spies? With more spies! Soon our court will entirely of spies.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Mk8wxxdk Mon 11 Apr 2022 22:43:22 No.5226762 Report

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>>5226594
>>Issue decrees for the arrest of someone (Who?)

Avienus.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:1hbxesO4 Mon 11 Apr 2022 22:52:59 No.5226766 Report

Quoted By: >>5226803

>>5226743
No to be fair we don't know anything of them, our conversations are all brief. Beside the Patriarch. But we are still a fairly isolate and very new emperor (1½ days of staying in the capital, and minutes of being the emperor), I wouldn't say our imperial power can do a lot now. When we establish ourselves it probably will.
In regard to our origins, i would say they matter in some way perhaps not the same way of feudal kingdoms but I wouldn't write them off completely.
Probably Theodora.

>>5226758
I am thinking either :
1 They are waiting for some odd reason. Maybe they want to see how we deal with the investigation. Perhaps they are also underequipped, with few members and money (like other imperial organizations) ?
2 They turned traitor/rogue, and could be the weapon behind the assasination of our father.
3 Our uncle. It would be strange, but he left the capital very quickly. Maybe he didn't though. Unlikely as an option

Without any help or previous knowledge finding the spymaster and the spies would be difficult. And if they are traitors or rogue, we would be at disadvantage since they know how to move in the capital and in the empire.
I agree on more spies, finding someone to trust for build our spies again will not be easy.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iwpQgIrr Mon 11 Apr 2022 22:55:25 No.5226771 Report

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>>5226594
Supporting >>5226613 and >>5226635

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Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Mon 11 Apr 2022 23:31:03 No.5226801 Report

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>>5226700
>spoiler

I think having those civ quests run like Supreme Space Monke Ruler would cut down on some of the numbers autism. Unfortunately, this is 4chan, at best you can mitigate the worst of the autism, but not get rid of it completely.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Mon 11 Apr 2022 23:32:03 No.5226803 Report

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>>5226766
>I agree on more spies, finding someone to trust for build our spies again will not be easy.
We clearly need to cultivate a Vulpes Inculta.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:WWRiS1A5 Tue 12 Apr 2022 01:21:12 No.5226887 Report

Quoted By: >>5226937 >>5227413

>>5226613
Support.

>>5226636
Please, just stop with the proscriptions already. They may become necessary, but our reign should not start off with executions of important personages, members of the imperial family no less. If we are going to kill anyone please get some fucking proof or justification instead of a simple "off with his head!" Executing people without just cause is the surest way to get ourselves killed by someone with a grudge.

>>5226636
>>5226644
Based on our conversation with Isaac, we don't have much of a military or navy. So unless we empty the already empty treasury to build up an army, they aren't going to coup us just yet. But we do need to build them up, you can't run an empire with a non-existent functioning military, if only for the fact that if they don't get rid of you, the invading hordes of barbarians will.

>>5226652
I think that we need to start unfucking the administration first. The treasury is empty and Avienus is clearly incompetent and corrupt. But we should not execute or imprison him without a proper cause or replacement for him, we need to build a base of loyal, competent men that we can rely on that can work on reforming the administration, preferably before we tear it all down and are left with ruins.

>>5226659
I agree with this. I would rather we were a just and honest ruler that manages the intrigues of the court and empire without turning into a tyrant.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:S1Wf1zxT Tue 12 Apr 2022 02:13:53 No.5226937 Report

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>>5226887
In a land with no soldiers, the man with one soldier rules. I agree that I don't think they could or would march on us yet, but it remains a possibility for later especially if they have most of what army we do have with them. Rebuilding the army will be challenging if so many men of fighting age have already been lost and our manpower pool depleted to start with. The sooner we get rid of the mercs the better.

There certainly is a lot of trash we need to take out within most branches of the government with Avienus' Administratum high on the priority list. As I've said already, we need to do a thorough investigation and audit of the whole place first, which would hopefully get to the bottom of what Avienus has been doing and figure out what's fucked at the same time so we can unfuck it and while we wait we can get some replacements lined up and sharpen the (metaphorical) axe.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:yoOq/ggE Tue 12 Apr 2022 12:19:55 No.5227275 Report

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>>5226595
Looking at the map again the capital could need to be moved to a more central position if we get back the lands in the east. Be a new capital or a city that is already there.
All the magnates lands together are of similar size to our own. A reconquest would be a long campaign, so unfeasible with the current conditions of the military.
Next turn we should send new orders to our adimiral and general, Mundus should patrol coasts and Isaac prepare defenses at the border with the magnates and not advance, instead stop and train the current army.
At the moment we are too weak for go to war, Akeoine and Lucenians could use a conflict in the east between us and the magnates.
Then there is also the barbarians, we can expect large invasions/raids from the west continent and from that large forest in the east, beyond that lake. From the north we can expect smaller raids/invasions. In the future we could take those small islands in the north, and use them for stop any barbarian fleet coming from the west/north-west. Is better to fight them there and in the sea, than have them land on the peninsula.

Malignant advisor

Malignant advisor ID:N+wcJDba Tue 12 Apr 2022 15:56:32 No.5227413 Report

Quoted By: >>5227478

>>5226644
>Here we go again...
First for my points to make sense it's necessary that you pay attention to the map, ok? One, if the general decides to become a caesar and start a campaign we will be forced to pay for him not to receive a coup d'etat, if he wins he will give us a coup d'etat, if he loses we don't have an army anymore and we will suffer a coup d'etat. BUT if he is within our empire, these possibilities decrease, and it would be easier to repel an enemy invasion. You can apply the same for the Admiral.

>But what if he decides to ignore us?
Alas because they are in Imperial territory we can raise one of their rivals in their place as long as they are already in the respective factions. Yes, my ideas are thought to have more than one use.

>>5226887
>Anon Let me be very clear this isn't a fucking democracy,
This isn't Rome during the Republic. This is the last days of the Byzantine empire and the empire's existence and our lives are at risk. Stick that benevolent ruler attitude up your ass. This shit doesn't work in this period, where did you get the idea that leaving loose ends will solve something you little shit? Do you think having no proof that the army supports us is a good idea? Or that our dear uncle was not responsible for clearly killing our father's descendants so that he could assume the throne?
>What if he didn't do anything?
Then some other faction can use him, (even against hits on will) to usurp us. Don't confuse survival in a medieval noble world with your partetic modern morality.

>>5226712
The nap option can give us inner peace, because barbarians could use marriage as an excuse to seize the throne. And partially external peace, because a part of them will stop attacking the empire.

Malignant advisor

Malignant advisor ID:N+wcJDba Tue 12 Apr 2022 17:35:22 No.5227478 Report

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>>5227413
I hate writing with autocorrect, it's horrible. What I meant at the end is the last option or in this case the sixth is the best.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Tue 12 Apr 2022 21:25:46 No.5227657 Report

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“Soldier.” Turning to the man still kowtowing, you say. “We desire for you to go to the docks and learn where Megas doux (Megaduke) Mundus went. What ship and with whom ?”

The man quickly rises and runs out, following your command.

“Eunuch.”

Bowing, a servant approaches.

“Call for the physician once more. I wish for him to see if there are poisons present on clothing or objects of the people in the court.”

“This servant understands.” Bowing once again, he departs.

“Chartoularios tou kanikleiou (keeper of the imperial inkstand), follow us back to the royal office. We desire for you to prepare the latest military orders given to our admirals and generals. After that the last decisions from the senate. And any recent reports from our eunuchs and our administrators. As well as the gathered list.”

“I hear and obey.” The man quickly responds.

Stepping from the throne, you once again depart. Having made the show and dance of being in armour, you cannot wait to get out of it. You feel dizzy and short of breath. With the palace being kept warm even in winter, you wonder how those guards can stand without even flinching.

Returning back to the office, and quickly stripping out of the armour. You get to what you do best – reading. Not only that, but reading and comprehending everything laid out in front of you.

Rapidly sorting through the piles of documents, you are able to learn a few interesting things:

The army – Strategos (General) Isaac had been officially deployed to the Orospulón (east mountain). The Lucenian tribes that had originally invaded the Empire are being agitated to try and attempt to cross the mountain range and strike the imperial heartlands. Most of the mercenaries had been directed there in preparations for a defensive war. Judging by official reports, large numbers of supplies have also been dedicated for the campaign. However, presuming what Isaac said is true, the report may not be entirely accurate.

The navy – Megas doux (Megaduke) Mundus is to assemble what he can and hold off Akeoinen incursions and raids against imperial islands. The assigned force is “made up of willing and valorous volunteers, true patriots of the empire”. Meaning, fishermen, and conscripted merchant ships, no doubt.

The Senate – Prōtoproedros (senior president) Leontius had overseen a senatorial debate about the raising of a new tax to support upcoming campaigns. It should be noted that most of the senate voted in approval to willingly volunteer two horse riders per household for the upcoming campaigns.

The palace – Parakoimomenos (one who sleeps nearby) Fulgentius had recently overseen a large purchase of incense for the palace grounds. The price for it was paid through the selling of minor palatial titles.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Tue 12 Apr 2022 21:26:48 No.5227658 Report

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>>5227657

The administration – Protasekretis (first secretary) Avienus had reported an overall uptick in economic growth, a glowing review of the administration as a whole. He had also positively remarked about the Maniakes family, and their great support when it comes to keeping the imperial treasury from nosediving, written in a more positive and flowery language, but that is what it boils down to.

Maniakes ? Even I heard about them back home. The richest merchant family in the empire. Entire merchant fleets sail under their banner and trade with faraway lands.

It is then that you notice something peculiar. Avienus’s last name – Maniakes.

The list – Looking through the list. You recognize but a few names upon it, mainly the names that Domestikos (domestic, commander) Armentarius pointed out to you. For you, this list seems meaningless, if you were more skilled in diplomacy, you might have been able to remember the names and titles of some courtiers, and the things they blabbered about. You may need to find someone else to inspect the list and find any discrepancies.

You ponder for a moment. Sorting out the information you had acquired. Looking through the various documentation, you were also able to learn that your uncle, Photius, had been assigned governor of the théma (placement, district) Orospulón (east mountain).

Though you had been a ruler for less than a day, paranoia starts to flare and you sign up decrees preventing your admirals and generals from conducting military excursions without your approval. As well as a decree for the arrest of your uncle. You do not stamp them, and put them behind key and lock in your table. Hopefully these decrees shall lay there, untouched and unmoved, but you never know how things may change.

Suddenly, a knock on the door snaps you back to reality.

“Your majesty. Oikoumenikós Patriárchēs (ecumenical patriarch) Anatolius has arrived as you decreed.” Informs you a voice.

“Allow his all holiness in, pl-“. You catch yourself; an emperor should never say “please” to his servants.

The door opens, and through it steps Anatolius. He appears calm and collected, his white clothes unstained and perfect as ever.

“Your majesty.” You do not know how to feel, mere hours ago, he had referred to you as prince, and now you became a majesty.

“Your all holiness, please, sit. I want your opinion on the situation.”

Accepting your offer, he begins to speak. “A divine judgement.”

Startled, you give him a questioning look. “The previous emperor had sinned. He had been cruel and unforgiving. Whilst the Shepherd encourages the wielding of one’s sword for righteousness, he had also commanded for it to be tempered by one’s mercy and forgiveness.”

“And my father had not achieved the balanced demanded.” You simply state.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Tue 12 Apr 2022 21:27:50 No.5227661 Report

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>>5227658

“Correct. His humours were out of balance. Choleric Humour dominating him for as long as he had reigned.” He concludes.

“And how do I solves this ? The murderer or murderers still have to be found.” You continue to question.

“Murder for no reason is a great sin. Sins weigh heavily upon one’s soul. Guilt shall consume them; the Shepherd will not guide them to the endless fields. Allow me to talk to those you suspect, they shall confess for that is the only way to absolve their crimes and reach peace of mind.” His calm, soothing voice answers.

“Thank you, your all holiness, I shall consider your offer.”

“Worry not, your highness. Your soul is pure, and the Shepherd shall guide and protect you as long as your faith stays strong.”

With that final blessing, Anatolius rises and departs your office.

You wait, sorting through more documents. For no real reason other than the fact that it calms you. Simply reading and sorting through them reminds you of your calm and simple childhood. Unfortunately, after an unknown amount of time, your attention is drawn by another knock on the door.

Your majesty, domestikos (domestic, commander) Armentarius is fishing to meet you.

Rising from your seat, you simply march towards the door and open it, seemingly startling the servant.

“Domestikos (domestic, commander).” You call out.

“Your majesty.” He responds with a bow.

“Join me for lunch. I just realized that I’ve yet to break fast.”

“As you command, your majesty.” He obeys your command.

You quickly head over to the small dining room. Where as you had ordered, a light serving of food had been prepared. Fried cheesecake balls dipped in honey, a serving of salad, fresh serving of white bread, pure and beautiful, incomparable to the rough one you had in the village, a serving of honeyed fruits, and a collection of cheeses, boiled eggs, and some fish.

Greedily digging in, you realize that Armentarius had not touched his food at all.

Feeling slightly awkward, you remember that without the emperor’s permission, no one may eat.

“You may eat.”

“Thank you for your generosity, your majesty.” He bows, before starting to carefully eat.

“Tell me, what had you observed and heard when you arrested Avienus ?” You question in between bites.

“The Protasekretis (first secretary) had been found naked in the middle of strenuous activities. I had conversed with the madam of the house. He had always been a regular at the house and that was one of his favourite girls. She said that he paid heavily for her exclusivity and that he always arrived around the same time, be it rain or snow.”

“So as the Emperor died, he was having intercourse ? Was he aware of the happenings on in the palace ?”

“It does not appear so, your majesty. He was very confused when he heard that the Emperor had summoned it. He told us to wait until he was finished.”

“Did you ?”

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Tue 12 Apr 2022 21:28:51 No.5227663 Report

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>>5227661

Staring impassively at you, he responds. “No.”

You could not hold back your curiosity, after all, you are a young man.

“Did you learn or see anything else ?”

“Unfortunately, no. There has been nothing else of note that I had observed.”

“Once you are finished, I wish for you to interrogate parakoimomenos (one who sleeps nearby) Fulgentius. Find out if he had anything to do with this.”

“As you command, your majesty.” He rises, food in front of him left half eaten, and swiftly departs.

Realizing that you had accidently cut the man’s lunch short, you too rise and begin heading towards where Avienus is kept under house arrest.

Now out of your armour, you move with ease and reach his room in short order.

Opening the door, you step in.

“My Prince !” A concerned looking Avienus cries out. “Please my Prince, tell me what is going on ? How have I angered his majesty ?”

“By going to the whorehouse, as he choked on his own blood.”

“I- what…?”

“I am the Emperor, my father had passed mere hours ago.”

“Co-congratulations, your majesty.” He says, kowtowing before you. His fat getting in the way.

“I have a question for you.”

“Of course, your majesty ! This humble servant shall answer any and all questions that you may have for me !”

“You are a member of the illustrious Maniakes family ?”

“Yes, your majesty. My father is the head of the house.”

“Had you recently sold the palace incense ?”

“Incense ? Ah, yes, my father did mention some thing like that. We generously provided the imperial family for simple courtly titles, not taking a single penny as a sign of our great loyalty.”

“Had you traded with the Lucenian tribes in the East ?”

“O- of course not, we, we would never trade with the empire’s enemies, no matter how easy or profitable it may be.”

Before you can continue your questioning Armentarius opens the door.

“Your majesty, a moment of your attention.” Bowing he requests.

“Relax Avienus, if you have nothing to hide, nothing shall happen to you.” You throw that out, as he begins to squirm.

Leaving the room, you ask. “What is happening ?”

“Fulgentius refuses to utter a word to anyone but the emperor. I’ve yet to lay my hands on him, due to his courtly rank, but if you desire so, I could order him tortured.”

“No. Not for now at least. I shall meet him. Lead the way.” You order.

Quickly you arrive and enter the room set aside for Fulgentius. Armentarius waiting for you on the other side of the door.

Rising from his seat, the eunuch bows deeply. “Your majesty, congratulations on your ascension.”

“Thank you, eunuch. Why do you wish to meet us ?”

“I merely wish to remark that I am entirely responsible for the death of the previous emperor.” Calmly he states.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Tue 12 Apr 2022 21:29:54 No.5227664 Report

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>>5227663

You stare at the man in shock.

“Why ?”

“Greed.” He simply remarks.

Are the tales of the greed of eunuchs true then ?

“Do you have anything else you wish to say ?”

“No, your majesty.”

You turn around and depart the room. Things seems to be progressing…well ?

>Accept Anatolius’s offer.

>Order the execution of Fulgentius.

>Give the list to someone. (Who?)

>Converse with someone (Who?)

>Torture for a confession (Who?)

>(Write in)

NewbQM

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Tue 12 Apr 2022 21:30:57 No.5227666 Report

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Just to give you anons an idea of how large the empire was.

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Anonymous ID:0BQjCM43 Tue 12 Apr 2022 21:52:58 No.5227680 Report

Quoted By: >>5227699 >>5227702

>>5227664
That just feels far too convenient.

>>Converse with someone (Who?)

Return to Avienus, let us pretend the Eunuch has implicated him and try to see if he bites.

For now let us keep the Eunuch under guard, I doubt we would get much from torturing him.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:7FlXZulx Tue 12 Apr 2022 21:56:47 No.5227684 Report

Quoted By: >>5227702 >>5227725 >>5228224 >>5228242 >>5228305 >>5228454

>>5227664
>(Write in)
Order Fulgentius to be placed in the dungeon for the time being.
Check the decrees we wrote to see if they are still there/if they were moved.
Order the domestikos to overview the guest list for any discrepancies while we continue to interrogate Avienus.
Have the patriarch talk with Avienus after we interrogate him, for more mental exhaustion and also to learn of whatever sins he did that we could take advantage of.
Order a meeting with all our servants that we send to investigate the murder(the soldier, the physician, etc.), to establish all the current facts.
After that, personally interogate Fulgentius to see if his story contradicts with the facts.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Tue 12 Apr 2022 21:58:42 No.5227689 Report

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>>5227664
>Give the list to someone. (Who?)
>Converse with someone (Who?)
Anatolius, Fulgentius, Avienus. Let's see how they react individually, maybe we'll come to a better informed opinion on this instead of an uninformed one.

After
>Accept Anatolius’s offer.

Maybe we could promote Avienus out of his current administrative job, clear the way for someone more competent and less corrupt to the position that'll owe us. That way we get rid of Avienus while avoiding pissing off the Maniakes. Hell, maybe we'll get a kickback for giving his son an even more prestigious position.

Malignant advisor

Malignant advisor ID:N+wcJDba Tue 12 Apr 2022 22:04:31 No.5227697 Report

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>>5227666
sorry to bother you but what exactly are the obligations of the senate and administrators? What is responsible and does what?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:rnXHeJfo Tue 12 Apr 2022 22:06:14 No.5227698 Report

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>>5227664
>Converse with someone (Fulgentius)
It can't be that simple, or if it is, at least have him explain with a bit more detail. If he refuses, torture him to reveal any conspirators. Then

>Order the execution of Fulgentius.
It's the law.

>Accept Anatolius’s offer.
The Patriarch's a kind man, this service he's offering us could be a great help. I refuse to believe Fulgentius worked alone.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:0BQjCM43 Tue 12 Apr 2022 22:07:41 No.5227699 Report

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>>5227680
Also
>>Accept Anatolius’s offer.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:N+wcJDba Tue 12 Apr 2022 22:12:48 No.5227701 Report

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>>5227664
>Mister castrated, why exactly?
>Before we lose control of the army and navy, pass the edict filed before the quest ends because anons don't want to do what's right

Before we lose control of the army and navy, pass the edict filed before the quest ends because anons don't want to do what's right.
>Let the boy go in peace, but make an appointment with the family patriarch.
>Enact the edict on our uncle.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Tue 12 Apr 2022 22:12:55 No.5227702 Report

Quoted By: >>5227722

>>5227680
>>5227684
I like that, put the fear of God into Avienus at being implicated, he'll leak more shit to us, we let the Patriarch talk to him, let Avienus stew on it, then come back to exonerate him, stating it was revealed that Fulgentius lied in an attempt to shift the blame. That way, Avienus feels indebted to us, we avoid a tussle with the Maniakes, and the Patriarch takes a confession of an important hendonist and feels like he assisted us and was influential.

Now all that needs to be done is to find and punish the real culprits, and vet people for the position of Household Enuch.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:N+wcJDba Tue 12 Apr 2022 22:14:23 No.5227703 Report

Quoted By: >>5227710

>>5227664
QM by the way do we have access to fantasy silk?

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Tue 12 Apr 2022 22:17:12 No.5227707 Report

Quoted By: >>5251649

>>5227697

The senate is a legislative body of the empire. They more or less rubber stamp whatever the emperor decrees, but it is also a place in which the rich and power can connect with one another and express their grievances and the general stand of the nobility on any given issue. So they are useful for the emperor to keep an eye on things. The administration is more or less what you'd expect. They run day to day business of the empire, collecting taxes, building and maintaining public structures and infrastructure, allocating funds where needed. Through them, the emperor runs his empire.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Tue 12 Apr 2022 22:18:27 No.5227710 Report

Quoted By: >>5227713

>>5227703

Could you clarify ?

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:N+wcJDba Tue 12 Apr 2022 22:21:32 No.5227712 Report

Quoted By: >>5228663

>>5227664
I was right twice, I just wanted to make that very clear. We cannot touch the son of such an influential family.

>Let Avienus go in peace, but let's arrange a meeting with the patriarch of his family.
>Pass the other two decrees for Quest to last longer than ten posts, fuck moral fag's!
>Order an investigation into our chief tax collector.
>Mister castrated, why exactly?
QM Would it be possible to summarize the barbaric nations around us?

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:N+wcJDba Tue 12 Apr 2022 22:23:05 No.5227713 Report

Quoted By: >>5228663

>>5227710
The Byzantines were famous for stealing the secret to making Chinese silk, do we have an equivalent product?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:7FlXZulx Tue 12 Apr 2022 22:28:11 No.5227722 Report

Quoted By: >>5227736

>>5227702
This. We should say that the eunuch confessed that he got the poison via the incense shipment of his family.(which could actually be linked to the murder)
Also, I am the only one that finds the timing of Fulgentius' confession weird? In the same 24 hours since we began the investigation and the so called culprit already turned himself in sayin he did so because of a stereotypical vice, not to mention the fact that he did so after we wrote those decrees. I think that he is covering for someone else for reasons unknown.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:S1Wf1zxT Tue 12 Apr 2022 22:32:50 No.5227725 Report

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>>5227664
>Accept Anatolius’s offer.
Sure, he can make some inquiries and have some chats. I'm not convinced they'd fess up like that, but no harm in seeing what he can do.
Fulgentius can stay in the clink for now. We still need to wheedle a story out of him and he may be covering for others.
Combining >>5227684 >>5227689, we can fake out a few people like that and then send in Anatolius after we're done with them. I'm not fully convinced Avienus is involved in the murder (if it even was a murder, I think he just poisoned himself with mercury thanks to the (already executed) quacks telling him it would bring immortality, which was very common in this era, and was finished off by a pulmonary oedema) beyond being corrupt beyond belief (and seems to have been getting away with it quite happily), but we can go along with the plan for him as well. In any case, we'll have to somehow get rid of him without antagonising the family unless he is actually involved in which case he gets the chop.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:N+wcJDba Tue 12 Apr 2022 22:37:30 No.5227731 Report

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>>5227666
Gentlemen, thanks to the hard work of our noble QM, I came up with a plan to build the empire. It consists of three steps:

First, avoid internal and external wars at all costs, if innocent people have to die, so be it. if we have to marry a foreign princess, so be it. If we have to give a little extermination to anything but factions of the empire, so be it. Peace at all costs.

Second, the complete revitalization of our empire. Tax reforms, land reforms, recruitment reform, administrative reform, and lastly government reform. If this part is successfully reached we can resume expansion and reconquest, how do we know if we have reached that point? We will have our debts paid and our army will be at least eighty percent imperial citizens.

Third, make sure our heir doesn't go through this shit, the rest of our lives will be dedicated to transforming the empire into an absolutist monarchy, with a strong and powerful royal house.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:7FlXZulx Tue 12 Apr 2022 22:40:55 No.5227736 Report

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>>5227722
>Check 'em

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:B8WkQ91q Tue 12 Apr 2022 23:06:07 No.5227757 Report

Quoted By: >>5227770

>>5227664
>>Order the execution of Fulgentius.

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Malignant Advisor ID:N+wcJDba Tue 12 Apr 2022 23:19:24 No.5227770 Report

Quoted By: >>5227822

>>5227757
It's not a good idea to have him killed now, if he has the audacity to say he murdered our father, it's because he has something we don't have, a plan. Even if he dies, we will accompany him soon after.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:WWRiS1A5 Tue 12 Apr 2022 23:38:11 No.5227786 Report

Quoted By: >>5227822

>>5227664
>DO NOT kill Fulgentius.
Come on guys, he's obviously not planning to flee or kill us ourselves, the guy has something planned, he's banking on the fact that we'll want to keep him on. We need to find out what.
>Converse with someone (Who?)
Fulgentius, interrogate him on the exact reasons he killed our father and why he's confessing to us. Also ask him why he did it so soon after we arrived, if he was going to kill him shouldn't he have done it after he had gotten a better idea of what we, the successor, were like?
Then talk to Avienus, and make it very clear that we suspect him very strongly. We can overlook the visits to the whorehouse, but the convenience of being there while his Emperor was being murdered is a little too suspect. Once we've sufficiently shaken him,
>Accept Anatolius’s offer.
Send him to interrogate Avienus. The mans sins are obviously many, and even if he didn't murder our father the patriarch should reveal enough dirt on him to either keep him under our thumb or give us justification for removing him.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:0BQjCM43 Wed 13 Apr 2022 00:12:29 No.5227822 Report

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>>5227770
>>5227786

Agreed, there is something amiss. Outright executing him has to be part of the plan, if we do so we play into it.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iwpQgIrr Wed 13 Apr 2022 05:45:08 No.5228224 Report

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>>5227664
Supporting >>5227684

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:x2BLfDaF Wed 13 Apr 2022 06:09:27 No.5228242 Report

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>>5227684
This is a reasonable plan. In case my IP's changed I'm >>5226693, but this is about what I'd written out myself before checking the thread.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:1uGFN88D Wed 13 Apr 2022 09:00:31 No.5228305 Report

Quoted By: >>5228544 >>5228646 >>5229370 >>5230127

>>5227664
>Converse with someone (Who?)
- Fulgentius, you shall wait for now. When i return i want to know how you would be the one behind, and i also want to know about where the imperial spies and assassins are, since yesterday the guard was attacked in the open when they should have had no problems with support. The emperor guard attacked on the road without a single spy of the emperor, not informing them of possible foes ? Ridicolous.
- Press Avienus a bit more about his hedonistic life and administration problems. Not a lot, but enough to get out of him more info. His current mental state should help us.

>Accept Anatolius’s offer.
If he wants to help sure. When the investigation is done, we would like to talk about our father funeral and our coronation.

- Send letters to Mundus and Isaac, and ask them to report for the movement of our enemies on their "frontiers". In addition if they can make an evaluation of the imperial military and the numbers of it. As well a list of the main issues that should be resolved for their parts of the military (supplies, equipment and so on). For the moment continue their current orders, though if possible give training to their forces at least the one that are too green.
- Send a letter to Leontious, we want to talk with him face to face SOON, about the current political climate of the empire (what political parties there are in the senate, and which has the majority. is a noble house pissed at another ecc ...), as well possible new laws.

While the investigation continues, is time for some small moves for get some cash back. With some immediate small decisions :
- Sell the majority of the incense that was bought, keep only a small amount for our father funeral and other functions.
- Changing meals at the court. We will go for something similar to what we usually eat at our village, it will have some variation (like more fish, meat or cheese) but nothing incredible or expensive. The food in excess can be split as charity and distributed to the low classes of the city, while the rest should be split and send as supplies to army/navy (make it clear that's the emperor is giving this things).
- Cutting on courtesans and entertainers. We should cut the excess of them. It doesn't mean all, but less is better. Some should be kept more to show what kind of tastes we have in terms of art, music and so on and what we want our court to look like.
- Cut on animals, specifically court animals. Keep the dogs for security/hunting. In fact, get one to keep with us at all times. Dogs aren't interested in politics, so it will obey us and protect us.
- Cut on clothing/regalia. We likely don't need a big wardrobe, using our father one should suffice. Besides that we can buy some practical clothing in case we exercise or go out, nothing expensive.

If anyone has traces of the poison put them in a cell obviously.

>>5227666
nice

>>5227684
also support

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:uu3T3sB+ Wed 13 Apr 2022 14:34:57 No.5228452 Report

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So its clear that Avienus may just ne a useful idiot in all of this that acquired the aorborne eastern poisons later used by Fulgentius. But the Eunuch is not fearing death and we must think back to the discrepencies in those documents and assign someone to look them over. Excuting him now feels like we're playing into someone elses plan so I would hold off on that as well

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:uu3T3sB+ Wed 13 Apr 2022 14:36:40 No.5228454 Report

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>>5227684
+1'ing this

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:N+wcJDba Wed 13 Apr 2022 16:14:48 No.5228544 Report

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>>5228305
The specific lifestyle changes seem like a good idea to me, I would support it. Especially the idea of a loyal dog by our side.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iwpQgIrr Wed 13 Apr 2022 17:53:15 No.5228646 Report

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>>5227664
Yeah, I'd support >>5228305 as well in addition to my other vote.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Wed 13 Apr 2022 18:01:51 No.5228663 Report

Quoted By: >>5228669 >>5228789 >>5228844

>>5227713

>The Byzantines were famous for stealing the secret to making Chinese silk, do we have an equivalent product?

Yes, you are capable of silk production, combined with purple dye it is your most profitable trade good. The main facilities for such are located on your islands.

>>5227712

QM Would it be possible to summarize the barbaric nations around us?

The two main barbarian nations of concern are the:

Akeoinians - originally coming from the western continent. Their overall armies tend to be small, but heavily armed, made up primarily of men in plate armour upon just as equally armoured horses. Their charges are devastating and in melee combat they excel. In order to make up for numbers disadvantages, they raise levy armies, poorly armed and equipped peasant militias for limited campaign periods. They have a strong tendency towards decentralization and more or less negligence as long as taxes are paid and men are there when needed for war. This indifference makes their ruling style relatively popular if causing internal fragmentation and petty squabbling if there is not greater threat to unite them.

Lucenians - a tribal federation that had migrated from the Eastern forests. Being a tribal alliance, their political union is tumultuous at best. As it stands now, they are busy settling into their newly conquered lands, and preparing for the inevitable response from the empire. They prefer guerilla warfare, ambushes, raids. They do not posses large numbers of cavalry, and what they do have is lightly armed and oriented towards skirmishing. Though their infantry usually tends to be well equipped, usually clad in chainmail, shields, spears and swords. They tend to be pretty fast upon the battlefield despite their equipment.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:S1Wf1zxT Wed 13 Apr 2022 18:04:48 No.5228669 Report

Quoted By: >>5229646

>>5228663
To add to that query, who inhabits the other lands now? Were they conquered by organised peoples similar to the Lucenians and Akeoinians, or did individual petty tribes simply fill the gap of the fading Imperial administration or something similar?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:p2k37YnC Wed 13 Apr 2022 20:27:03 No.5228789 Report

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>>5228663
>Yes, you are capable of silk production, combined with purple dye it is your most profitable trade good. The main facilities for such are located on your islands.
>on your islands
Fuck lmao.

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Malignant Advisor ID:N+wcJDba Wed 13 Apr 2022 21:36:08 No.5228844 Report

Quoted By: >>5228882

>>5228663
How do forest barbarians treat our taxpayers?

This barbaric confederation has a leader if not supreme, at least relevant among them? With a hot busty daughter with long golden hair and eyes the color of the purest sapphire, in the perfect age for marriage?

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Wed 13 Apr 2022 21:58:56 No.5228874 Report

Quoted By: >>5228875

Your mind is working without stop, and you cannot help but wonder, why ? Why now ?

Curiosity being perhaps your greatest vice, you turn around and re-enter the room.

“Why did you kill my father soon after I arrived ? Why did you not wait ? Would it not be logical to await to see what sort of person I would be ? Would I be vengeful or merciful ?” You barrage the man with questions, just like you did back in your village to the priest, a small glimmer of your younger self shining through.

Remaining impassive, he simply responds. “I do not wish to demean you, your majesty, but your appearance had changed nothing. The plan was in motion long before you arrived, and it was carried out till the end.”

“What plan ?”

“A simple plan. A puppet would willingly give more than a wilful man like your father.”

“And I, a young man from a village, did not meet your requirements ?”

“Were you not educated, perhaps. But you quickly seized the moment of greatest panic. Establishing your authority.”

“And you plotted all of this, alone ?”

“Of course not. Plans like these require many agents. But they are nothing more than unwitting puppets. Either blind, or already silenced.”

“I see. Do you have anything more to confess ?”

“No, as I said previously. I do a piece of advice, your majesty. Trust no one. That is something your father did well, but he allowed that paranoia to consume him.”

“If my father was as paranoid as you say, why did his spies not find you ?”

The man simply smiles. “Who does a paranoid man fear the most than those who make it a profession in dealing with secrets ?”

“So he purged them, leave himself exposed to people like you ?”

“No doubt he expected to replace them at one point or another, just like how he did with the coins. My, was he proud to show them to everyone. Silver, true silver, with his mighty profile forged into them, and the imperial wolf showing his ferocity.” With nostalgia in his voice, Fulgentius says.

Without anymore words, in silence you depart.

“[i:lit]Domestikos[/i:lit] (domestic, commander), have Fulgentius put into the dungeon. He had confessed in carrying out regicide.” You state pondering. “I do not think that he worked alone. Find out everything, torture him if you have no other choice.” You feel a sense of unease, a churning in your stomach as you give this cruel order. “Once you are done with your task, return to my office, I will instruct [i:lit]chartoularios tou kanikleiou[/i:lit] (keeper of the imperial inkstand) to give you the list of all those that attended court today. Look for discrepancies, anything that might raise suspicions or would be unusual.”

“As you command, your majesty.” Bowing, he accepts your command and swiftly departs.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Wed 13 Apr 2022 21:59:57 No.5228875 Report

Quoted By: >>5228876

>>5228874

You yourself, for the peace of your mind return to the royal office, deliver your instructions, check to see if your decrees are still where you left them, and swiftly draft a new one for Fulgentius’s execution. Once more, you do not stamp it, but keep it prepared in case you need it. The drawer in which you keep these documents is secured under key and lock, with metal inlays around it, attached to the desk, any attempts at its removal will be loud, very loud. Even then, it would take a long time for someone to breakthrough.

Once you secure everything in your office, you return to the room where [i:lit]Protasekretis[/i:lit] (first secretary) Avienus is still nervously fidgeting.

Mustering the best wrathful expression you can, you stare at the rotund man. Allowing for silence to hang in the air, you watch as he begins to sweat nervously.

“[i:lit]Parakoimomenos[/i:lit] (one who sleeps nearby) Fulgentius has confessed that you were involved in the murder of the Emperor.”

Eyes widening, he begins to panic. “Lies ! Slander ! Your majesty, do not trust the words of a man whose no better than a woman ! Just for his greed he lies and tries to implicate me !” Sweating nervously, like a startled pig, the man begins professing his innocence.

“A poison was used to kill my father. A poison that spreads through the air, and it was used in incense burners. Incense that was purchased from your family. And it is your family that is capable of acquiring exotic poisons.”

His eyes dart back and forth, observing the room, you, the door, the window, and the room again.

He drops to his knees and starts professing. “Your majesty, I beg of you ! See reason. I am but a humble, loyal servant wishing for nothing more than to simply serve your excellence !”

“We shall see how much truth you hold. For now, I recommend that you pray for your eternal soul. I shall invite his all holiness for your confession.” You watch as the man’s face pales at your words.

“Your ma-“ His words are cut short as you close the door.

You turn towards the man standing next to the door and smile. “Your all holiness, I shall be relying upon on you for this difficult request.”

“I shall endeavour to do so, your majesty.” [i:lit]Oikoumenikós Patriárchēs[/i:lit] (ecumenical patriarch) Anatolius responds. You had invited him here shortly after dealing with the matters in your office.

With that matter done with, you quickly return to the throne room, which you find empty besides the guards and the physician.

“Where are the courtiers.” You question ?

“Your majesty, the courtiers had retired to their chambers. I had also located a few servants with tracks of poison upon their clothing.” The muffled voice of the physician informs you as he bows deeply.

“Are they in the dungeon ?”

“They have been moved there for immediate interrogation, your majesty.” Responds one of the guards, bowing deeply as well.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Wed 13 Apr 2022 22:00:59 No.5228876 Report

Quoted By: >>5228879

>>5228875

“I recognize you. Tell me, what of the [i:lit]Megas doux[/i:lit] (Megaduke) ?”

“Reporting !” He drops to one knee. “[i:lit]Megas doux[/i:lit] (Megaduke) Mundus had departed using his own private galley and with his own servants. The direction in which he left was towards the South.”

You simply nod at the report.

“Quickly put down a list of those with the traces of poison and deliver it to my office.” You say turning to the physician.

“As you command, your majesty.”

Dealing with the situation, you quickly depart back to your office.

Sitting down there, you simply take a moment to rest and be in peace, for you know that it will soon be shattered. But your mind, as always, cannot help but wonder, just how badly you need money, as you stare at the extravagant painting on the wall. Perhaps you could cut expenses here and there ? Simpler meals, less servants, perhaps no more incense, after this incident. You don’t think anyone would mind, would they ?

Your blissful thoughts on economics and calculations are interrupted, as someone knocks on the door.

“Enter.”

“Your majesty. Fulgentius has been secured in the dungeon. I’v eyet to touch him, but he has refused to speak any further.” Informs you Armentarius

“I see. Have you looked through the list ? Also the list from the physician ?”

“Yes, your majesty. I had inspected them. They all appear to be servants of the palace, but I this is the first time I had heard about them.”

“Oh ? When did we last acquire servants.” You say both to Armentarius and yourself, as you start digging through the documents.

“I do not know, your majesty. Servants were never my responsibility.”

You do not respond, as you sift through the documentation, [red]thanks to your education, you are able to notice minute details in the documents.[/red] Such as the fact, that before employment, the new servants used to be upper class servants for the nobility when it came to dealing with trade matters.

Before you can even begin thinking what this might imply. Again, the door is knocked at.

“His all holiness requests an audience.” Says a servants voice.

“Allow him inside.” You say.

Quickly stepping through the door, a disgusted and angered looking Anatolius steps inside and bows.

“Your majesty.”

“You all holiness, you look unwell.”

“I had listened to [i:lit]protasekretis[/i:lit] (first secretary) Avienus and his sins. And they are plenty and endless. I dare not sully your ears, but the man should be condemned to wonder alone and forgotten in the afterlife without the Shepherds guidance. He could continue confessing his sins to me for hours to come before he runs out.” With a dour expression he exclaims.

“Your majesty !” Calls out a voice from the other end of he door.

“What is it ?” You answer in annoyance.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Wed 13 Apr 2022 22:02:01 No.5228879 Report

Quoted By: >>5228899 >>5228905 >>5228916 >>5228917 >>5228921 >>5229213

>>5228876

“The head of house Maniakes wishes for an audience.” Nervously responds the servant.

>Accept the request.

>Decline the request.

>Go down to the dungeon and interrogate the prisoners.

>Converse with someone (Who?)

>Torture for a confession (Who?)

>(Write in)

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Wed 13 Apr 2022 22:04:38 No.5228882 Report

Quoted By: >>5228905

>>5228844

>How do forest barbarians treat our taxpayers?

As far as you would be aware, with indifference. With a lot of the countryside depopulated, they had more or less begun to intermarry and settle in their new lands.

>This barbaric confederation has a leader if not supreme, at least relevant among them? With a hot busty daughter with long golden hair and eyes the color of the purest sapphire, in the perfect age for marriage?

It is a rotating council of leadership. Every year, one of the main tribe reigns, before they are replaced by the next in line. So no one tribe is overly dominant.

The are no hot busty daughters that you are aware of.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:WWRiS1A5 Wed 13 Apr 2022 22:16:47 No.5228899 Report

Quoted By: >>5228907 >>5228912 >>5228917 >>5228929 >>5228969 >>5229213

>>5228879
>Accept the request.
No reason not to. He is probably here to lobby for the release of his son, but it will be good to speak to one of the richest and therefore most influential men in the empire. We should keep the patriarch with us in the meeting, he's the one who knows most of Avienus's crimes afterall. Best to lean on the fact that he's under a severe cloud of suspicion; mayhaps we can kill two birds with one stone and set Avienus free if the father pledges to help us fix the administration or some other favour like that.

>Converse with someone
Armentarius. Get his opinion on the whole situation, and ask him what our father would have done. We want to know more about how he ran things, if only to see what we should avoid doing.
>Post members of our personal guard outside Fulmentarius's cell.
I wouldn't be surprised if he had a way of getting out. If our personal guard fails to make sure he remains in his cell, it shames them and gives us some leverage over them, and if they succeed they succeed.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:N+wcJDba Wed 13 Apr 2022 22:23:35 No.5228905 Report

Quoted By: >>5229491

>>5228882
Shit, either way one of those tribes should be on the border, with any luck our princess will be there.

>>5228879
Anons please listen to me, we know that the Eunuchs are our enemies, besides the fact that a member of one of the most influential families involved in the empire indicates to me that the Senate will not be easily converted to our side either.

This part is my paranoia, but the fact that the Chief of Taxes says that this year the taxes were paid with no money in particular, gives the idea that he really has to be investigated for the chance of him participating in these "Plans."

We have an enemy faction, two that could be enemies, one that seems to be on our side luckily, and two neutral so far. We need to come to an agreement with the navy and the army.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:N+wcJDba Wed 13 Apr 2022 22:24:57 No.5228907 Report

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>>5228899
+1 The most cohesive actions at the moment.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:7FlXZulx Wed 13 Apr 2022 22:28:43 No.5228912 Report

Quoted By: >>5228929

>>5228899
+1
Also, send Armentarius to interrogate the servants while we deal with the Maniakes

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Mk8wxxdk Wed 13 Apr 2022 22:35:31 No.5228916 Report

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>>5228879
>>Accept the request.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:S1Wf1zxT Wed 13 Apr 2022 22:35:37 No.5228917 Report

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>>5228879
It appears that we have weeds to find and uproot, but we must be measured in this lest we self-destruct what is left of our administration out of paranoia. As we can assume they have infiltrated the old guard, we could seek to appoint some new advisors who are less likely to be involved in the conspiracy - we will be relying heavily on our advisors for the time being while we get the hang of this, and it offers an ample opportunity to unwittingly manipulate us.
Ah, evil eunuchs. Such a classic trope.
>Accept the request.
Do you have an appointment, sir?
I assume he's here about Avienus. If he is indeed involved in the plot, they'll have to have a serious offer for us if he's not to hang. If he is just a mundane kleptocrat, they can have him when we're done so long as he's far away from where he can do damage, and if he has to be let go to avoid souring relations so be it. Either way, we also clearly need to start looking for a new protasekretis asap - start asking around for recommendations and have a list of candidates drawn up.

I don't know if I'm adding two and two and getting twenty-two, but the vibe I'm getting from this is that some of the noble families plotted to have our father killed in the hope that we'd be a more biddable puppet ruler for their interests?

Also the rest of >>5228899

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Mk8wxxdk Wed 13 Apr 2022 22:41:03 No.5228921 Report

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>>5228879
>>Accept the request.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:yoOq/ggE Wed 13 Apr 2022 22:51:35 No.5228929 Report

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>>5228899
support
really bad that our father decided to kill the cloak and dagger boys, we will need to remake them very soon. They are a basic thing to have.

>>5228912
also support

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:0BQjCM43 Wed 13 Apr 2022 23:22:50 No.5228969 Report

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>>5228899
Support.

Guilty or not we can leverage the Maniakes in some way or another with the implication alone. Of course they were merely unwitting pawns, we can understand that. However, their lack of diligence shall cost them. Personally, I would say we attempt to get a cut of their income to help fill the coffers or have them help rebuild the navy. Perhaps raise a force of marines that answer to us?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iwpQgIrr Thu 14 Apr 2022 05:04:19 No.5229213 Report

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>>5228879
Supporting >>5228899

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:mvec5XfA Thu 14 Apr 2022 10:17:21 No.5229370 Report

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>>5228305
+1 for lifestyle change, sell it maybe as a pious lifestyle

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:aJQxvyt7 Thu 14 Apr 2022 13:51:34 No.5229491 Report

Quoted By: >>5229577 >>5229825

No point torturing the eunuch unless some Anon here has some medieval MKUltra techniques they'd like to share with us. Might as well leave him isolated and keep a close eye on everything that goes in and out of his new abode.
>>5228905
I hope we don't 100% think with our dicks here, marrying a distant barbarian could end up creating unrest and damage our reputation. Unless there's another civilized state somewhere we could court as respectable allies its probably best to marry one of the more influential families within our own borders.
>>5228905
+1

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:0BQjCM43 Thu 14 Apr 2022 15:27:29 No.5229577 Report

Quoted By: >>5229825

>>5229491
The Akeoine would be a better choice than the barbarians as far as that goes, using marriage to bring the back into the fold would probably be better though

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Thu 14 Apr 2022 16:42:56 No.5229646 Report

Quoted By: >>5229650

>>5228669

>To add to that query, who inhabits the other lands now? Were they conquered by organised peoples similar to the Lucenians and Akeoinians, or did individual petty tribes simply fill the gap of the fading Imperial administration or something similar?

They're proper organized states. Mainly feudal kingdoms and some republics continuously at each other's throats.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:S1Wf1zxT Thu 14 Apr 2022 16:47:40 No.5229650 Report

Quoted By: >>5229657

>>5229646
Like the post-Roman barbarian kingdoms? How is the Imperial rump state with them - do we trade? Do they pose a threat to us?

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Thu 14 Apr 2022 16:52:50 No.5229657 Report

Quoted By: >>5229823 >>5229831

>>5229650

The west had slipped from imperial hands centuries ago. By this point in time the medieval kingdoms are on the level of sophistication like late medieval France, being the best example. They powerful armies, experienced from numerous wars, relatively large populations, capable of sustaining said wars. If they were to unite under a single banner, they could most certainly pose an existential threat to the empire.

As for the republics, they tend to be powerful maritime nations, though their fleets are usually ad hoc gathered from merchants, but they are experienced.

As for the question of trade. Your Empire produces silks, exceptional jewelry and various glass products. So your overall trade volume is rather small, but the things you trade are exceptionally valuable.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Thu 14 Apr 2022 19:09:52 No.5229802 Report

Quoted By: >>5229805

“Invite him in, We shall meet him in the throne room.” You order.

“Armentarius, tell me. In this situation, what would have my father done ?” Turning towards him, you ask with uncertainty in your eyes.

The man’s face shows an indifferent expression, before with an even tone stating. “He would have bathed the court in blood.”

“I- I see.” The thought of so much bloodshed makes you uneasy. You had seen your fair share of blood and deaths, but those were slaughtered animals, or people dying due to disease or old age, to simply massacre everyone just feels, wrong. You wonder if one day, you too shall become jaded, having to deal with attacks upon your life one after another day after day.

Pushing away your self-doubt, you turn towards Anatolius. “Your all holiness, if you would accompany me for this meeting.”

“Of course, your majesty.” With a quick bow, he responds.

“Oh, and a couple of things.” You say once again looking at the leader of your guard. “The servants that were imprisoned, interrogate them. Find out what they know. And make sure that Fulmentarius's cell is guarded by your most trustworthy men.” You feel like an executioner, dropping his blade.

“As you command so shall it be.” He responds before departing.

You follow after, but diverge as you head towards a room that will not be cold and damp.

Re-entering the chamber, you sit upon the lavish throne.

And once again, your mind wanders.

[blue]Just this throne alone would pay for all of the village’s needs for a decade, no, a century ![/blue]

The sound of the great chamber’s doors opening interrupts you.

Far away, you see a hunched figure, kowtowing. Slowly, painfully, he proceeds to make his way closer to your throne, not once lifting his head. His clothes appear bare and simple, something closer like mere undergarments, a simple white tunic and a leather pants. No fine jewels, materials or anything of the sort is on the man.

You also feel a pang of guilt, as his age reminds of you those grandfathers in your home. His grey hair cannot hide his baldness and wrinkles. The strain of kowtowing for what amounts to good fifty metres seems to have exhausted him, but eventually, he does reach you.

“Critobulus of house Maniakes. Begs for most humble audience and morsel of your time, your majesty.” Reports one of the eunuchs, reading from a scroll.

You nod towards him. “Their majesty grants you permission to speak, lowly servant.” The eunuch proceeds with what you assume if the protocol for such meetings. You know a little on how to handle things, but many finer details will still have to be studied.

“Your majesty, this humble servant had come here to plead for your infinite mercy. I wish to make a case for he safety of my son. He is a loyal subject of the empire and a servant most blessed to be under your employ. So, I plead, your majesty, please spare his life.”

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Thu 14 Apr 2022 19:10:54 No.5229805 Report

Quoted By: >>5229813 >>5229817 >>5229823 >>5229830 >>5229831 >>5229841 >>5229883 >>5230002 >>5230110 >>5230130 >>5230920

>>5229802

“He is accused of regicide. Those are strong charges. How can you guarantee that he is innocent ? That he had nothing to do with it. Your son should have been executed for his sins.” Anatolius quickly lambasts the man.

“I am but a father wishing for his son’s safety. To showcase the loyalty of our house, I hereby swear to pay for all coronation expenses of your majesty, and the funeral expenses of his late majesty.” He says nervously. “I also shall extend the time for the returning of the loan of the previous emperor that he used for his monetary reform, and I shall charge no interest upon it.”

“Do you think mare base desires such as these move his highness ?” Anatolius questions.

“Eunuch, what is our outstanding loan to house Maniakes ?” You question.

“Ninety million silver basilikas.”

“And our early revenue ?”

“From five to twenty million silver basilikas. However, thanks to the late emperor’s reforms, a more stable number of twenty million silver basilikas is expected, now that we will not have to deal with the goods taken as taxes from peasants.” Remarks the eunuch. You are of half mind to ask about your other outstanding debts, but not for now at least. And you most certainly dread to learn about your expenses.

“And when was this loan due ?” You ask.

“In three years’ time, your majesty.”

“And for how long you shall extend this ?”

“To ten years from now, your majesty.”

>Accept the deal.

>Decline the deal.

>Maybe think of something else ? (Write in)

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Mk8wxxdk Thu 14 Apr 2022 19:16:26 No.5229813 Report

Quoted By: >>5229838

>>5229805
>>Accept the deal.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:rnXHeJfo Thu 14 Apr 2022 19:19:11 No.5229817 Report

Quoted By: >>5229838

>>5229805
>Accept the deal.

What have we to lose? We can make more than enough money to pay it in that amount of time I believe, even with expenses.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:0BQjCM43 Thu 14 Apr 2022 19:21:52 No.5229823 Report

Quoted By: >>5229838 >>5229839 >>5230002 >>5230110 >>5230174 >>5230468 >>5230471 >>5230554

>>5229657
Interesting.

So, if we were to pursue a political marriage our best options would be one of the feudal states to the west, an Akeonian house, or a rebelling magnate.

Personally I think bringing the rebels back into the fold would be the best option if it can be pursued. Of course, if we could find another peaceful way, it'd be nice to keep that option on the table.

>>5229805
>(Write in)

It's a good deal, but could the guilt of his son not also extend to house Maniakes itself? Surely the incense delivered by his house brings guilt by association as well.

Truly, it is understandable that they were unwitting pawns and we can forgive them.

In addition to the proposed deal, we demand a donation of 5 percent of their projected annual profits to the church, and 10 percent to help in rebuilding the navy. In helping rebuild they navy, they will also help their own profits by helping secure the sea, I might add.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:N+wcJDba Thu 14 Apr 2022 19:22:51 No.5229825 Report

Quoted By: >>5229829

>>5229491
>>5229577

>The idea of barbarian marriage has multiple advantages among them:

Protection against other barbarians, because of the specific marriage with the tribe closest to the border and that they would be our allies by blood. They would keep the other tribes at bay.

>What would guarantee us that they would fulfill their end of the deal?

In exchange for favors such as fairer trade rights, access to advanced services such as medicine, engineering and advanced craftsmanship, of course in addition to small tributes or gifts from time to time.
This is wonderful because it's a territory that we wouldn't have to spend expensive mercenary or our limited number of professional soldiers to defend, besides the area where they are was more or less abandoned in terms of population. With the migration of the barbarians, we can profit from the trade that the population boom can bring.

>Sure they'll keep the deal but what exactly are we going to get out of it?

It is specifically for us it is a line of survival, if we suffer a blow in the worst case, we have a place to go to hide and a ally to put us back on in throne, in the best case the other factions won't try to kill us so easily because the marriage would give royal rights to a barbarian to become emperor. This is the trap, they can deal with us or they can risk a barbarian emperor who would definitely massacre them.

>But what if they fail to serve as a wall against the other barbarians?

Well in that case we can give them asylum using marriage as an excuse and use the remaining barbarian warriors as our personal army. Definitely ending the idea of being a puppet emperor, in the best of case we send reinforcements to help them keeping an alliance stronger and more natural. This is one of the few cases where all sides (that matter) benefit, we will have more political power. The Empire would have more stability, and the Barbarians would gain wealth and technologies that would put them In front of all the other tribes.
That's why this plan has such a chance of succeeding, all the factions (that matter) win, if this alliance works we could even improve our reputation with the patriarch by converting this tribe peacefully to our faith, Norman style like in France.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:0BQjCM43 Thu 14 Apr 2022 19:25:14 No.5229829 Report

Quoted By: >>5229835

>>5229825
Rather than marriage to secure a border, why not use marriage as a means to expand that border?

Marry into my line, kneel to me and I'll help make you king of your people. Far better if you ask me.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:N+wcJDba Thu 14 Apr 2022 19:26:39 No.5229830 Report

Quoted By: >>5229838

>>5229805
>Accept the deal.

We definitely can't make any more enemies, especially with the informal empire bank.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:S1Wf1zxT Thu 14 Apr 2022 19:27:29 No.5229831 Report

Quoted By: >>5229838

>>5229657
Hmm. We should question the actual feasibility of restoring the empire here - We can stabilise what's left of the state, bring the magnates back to heel and eventually subdue the Akeoinians and Lucenians, but restoring its full historical extent may merely be a pipe dream, especially if the states band together in response to encroachment a la the Holy League.
Either way, we likely have a multi-generational project ahead of us.

>>5229805
>Accept the deal.
However, I also propose the demand of exile from the core Imperial territories, still guaranteeing his safety but removing any possibility of coming near us and our affairs again.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:N+wcJDba Thu 14 Apr 2022 19:29:50 No.5229835 Report

Quoted By: >>5229885

>>5229829
A marriage within the bloodline is sentimental and offers no comparable advantage over a barbaric marriage. In addition, a barbarian queen would be easier to control than a princess raised in the political environment. Depending on the situation the Empire would have a queen.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Thu 14 Apr 2022 19:33:28 No.5229838 Report

Quoted By: >>5229842 >>5229852 >>5230174

>>5229813
>>5229817
>>5229823
>>5229830
>>5229831
I see everyone wanting to take the deal so I ask, we're not letting his son stay in the administration are we?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:p2k37YnC Thu 14 Apr 2022 19:34:04 No.5229839 Report

Quoted By: >>5229885

>>5229823
Supporting this. A shrewd man like Critobulus might understand that church donations can launder his family's image to the people and that safer seas means better trade.

I think subjecting him to more questioning would be good tho since he's here.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:pajOg9qg Thu 14 Apr 2022 19:35:33 No.5229841 Report

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>>5229805
>Accept
>(Write in)
"I can sympatise with you, Critobulus, and I accept your deal, Avienus shall not lose his life, but, for the good continuation of this investigation, he shall remain here until he is proven beyond any doubt to be innocent of my father's murder. I also tell you that his sins are many and he should not be allowed to continue to drown himself in it any longer, it is a tragedy to have loyal sons and doughters of the Empire fall so low. You free to go now, and know that I will not allow anybody to pay with his life for the crime of another."

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:rnXHeJfo Thu 14 Apr 2022 19:35:53 No.5229842 Report

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>>5229838
It's just to save his life, nothing more. He may be innocent anyway

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:N+wcJDba Thu 14 Apr 2022 19:47:07 No.5229852 Report

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>>5229838
Leave the man accused of killing our father in the same job? Depends If we manage to massacre the Eunuchs faction before the gates reopen? Yes we will have the culprits dead and he will be a free idiot. If we don't destroy these bastards? He will have to get out of position is the only thing we can do for our image.

fleet-anon

fleet-anon ID:M+Sm/EsQ Thu 14 Apr 2022 20:09:20 No.5229870 Report

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i just know one thing

we need to have a kid
otherwise the dynasty will just fall apart anyways. with no claims to try and re-unify the empire should it have fallen.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:N+wcJDba Thu 14 Apr 2022 20:16:08 No.5229883 Report

Quoted By: >>5229886 >>5229888

>>5229805
QM this is not a criticism, the quest is well done the writing quality is very good but i would like to ask for something that i think is missing.
Could you give us the next post for me and the other idiots to come up with a proactive plan?
I'm not saying we haven't been proactive so far, but with each post a new problem pops up and we're never able to create a bigger plan for our situation0., We're putting out smaller fires as the palace burns, what I'm asking is for five minutes in our young emperor's head for him to decide how he's going to deal with his enemies.
Without the minor worries, like creating a goal of his own.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:0BQjCM43 Thu 14 Apr 2022 20:16:53 No.5229885 Report

Quoted By: >>5229957

>>5229835
Of course, a barbarian queen would further dash our own legitimacy.

>>5229839
Didn't think of that. Giving the church something for their involvement, lets them "pay for their sins", and can be framed as simple religious devotion to the masses.

Then helping rebuild a navy that protects them, and could also expand our reach over the islands, expanding trade. Of course if he were to want to do more to help expand the navy he would be more than welcome.

All in all, we would be asking of things from him that would be mutually beneficial.

Any other anons partial to the idea?

As far as leaving him in his position, he would certainly be obedient to us after all this, and would give cause for house Maniakes to cooperate with us in the future.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:0BQjCM43 Thu 14 Apr 2022 20:18:48 No.5229886 Report

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>>5229883
Running around putting out fires is very much the job of people in charge sadly.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Thu 14 Apr 2022 20:21:34 No.5229888 Report

Quoted By: >>5229917

>>5229883

No worries, I plan on it. This entire thing could be considered a "prologue". Just showcasing how decisions matter and how information could be false or real, how different people interact with each other.

Once this little arc is done with the whole thing will truly open up. And the decisions there will be more directive than minute involvement. Something like Space Monke Quest is a good example on how I will be handling it, with my own writing style, I suppose.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:0BQjCM43 Thu 14 Apr 2022 20:21:49 No.5229889 Report

Quoted By: >>5229964

On rebuilding our navy, I'm willing to bet theres tons of pirates hiding about in all those little islands.

What if we were to offer an imperial amnesty? Sure not all would take it, and not all that take it would be useful to us, but we might could gain a decent amount of able bodied sailors and some ships while also cutting down on piracy.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:S1Wf1zxT Thu 14 Apr 2022 20:44:01 No.5229917 Report

Quoted By: >>5230903

>>5229888
Not being familiar with SMC, I assume that to mean once we're done with the whodunnit, it will transition into more of a civquest?

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:N+wcJDba Thu 14 Apr 2022 21:14:28 No.5229957 Report

Quoted By: >>5229989 >>5230006

>>5229885

The right to reign, for bastards, foreigners and new dynasties is measured in merit, ability, and competence.

The barbarian marriage has multiple advantages and proves our competence, do you think the army will revolt because they are less likely to die in war? Or will the Administrators complain about the new trade tariffs? The patriarch will surely abandon us for being given the chance to convert the barbarians. The benefits of this agreement outweigh the risks.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:N+wcJDba Thu 14 Apr 2022 21:17:52 No.5229964 Report

Quoted By: >>5229989

>>5229889

Amnesty for pirates plus a Privateers system for our own navy would help a lot with our numbers at sea.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:0BQjCM43 Thu 14 Apr 2022 21:40:57 No.5229989 Report

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>>5229957
We're a bastard and a peasant, we are going to be judged heavily on that, then to wed some barbarian girl? There are some who will not look well on that combination and would potentially attempt to remove. With the structure of their people it would be for little gain, raids from other tribes would still happen.

I don't think its the worst idea, I simply think there are better options out there.

>>5229964
It's worth an attempt at least, regaining maritime supremacy would ease a lot of troubles we currently face. I reckon there is plenty to be gained by retaking all those islands as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Thu 14 Apr 2022 21:47:19 No.5230002 Report

Quoted By: >>5230009

>>5229805
>White in
First rule of being a King, you don't directly accept the deal, instead you ask questions, and instead of accepting you treat him kindly, asking him to break bread with you, indirectly saying you'd agree without stating it outright. Leave the Patriarch with the Father to gather the son. We then say to the son that we'll forgive the son for his sins, and state that the Eunuch recently admitted that he lied about the sons involvement under torture, indirectly making it seem like he owes us one. That should wrap this up quite nicely, with everyone still around either respecting our authority, feeling influential, or fearing our wrath.

>>5229823
I support this, just don't directly bargain for it, mentioned it in a round about way and see if the Father bites.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:0BQjCM43 Thu 14 Apr 2022 21:48:03 No.5230006 Report

Quoted By: >>5230031 >>5230127

>>5229957
Though I would say, one of the merits of pursuing a union with some Lucenian tribe or another is that it would be far easier to leverage tribals into making them a vassal and then using that to reunite those lands under us.

I wouldn't be against the idea, though using marriage to bring those magnates back into the fold would be better I think. We need to pinpoint their grievances and figure out who the main players are before anything though.

In my opinion, rebuilding the navy and bringing the rebels back to us should be our priorities.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:0BQjCM43 Thu 14 Apr 2022 21:49:03 No.5230009 Report

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>>5230002
That is agreeable.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:N+wcJDba Thu 14 Apr 2022 22:09:09 No.5230031 Report

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>>5230006

Look, I'm not saying the other marriage options are without merit. Not that the only way to ally or vacate the tribes is through marriage, but without marriage the chance of the tribe in question to keep its word to fight against the other tribes is much lower, even by their logic.

The idea that they allied themselves with us for words or gold would turn the tribe in question into traitors in the eyes of the other tribes, which means that it would take a lot of gold or a lot of concessions to work, and would have the effect of making the other tribes more hostile. .

On the other hand a deal made between family, even if recently married is another story I'm not saying the other tribes would accept this without repercussions but these would still be less than the alternative. And the more time that passes and the better the quality of life in our allied tribe gets, the greater the chance that others will choose diplomacy over time.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:yoOq/ggE Thu 14 Apr 2022 23:52:20 No.5230110 Report

Quoted By: >>5230130 >>5230174

>>5229805
>>Accept the deal
>Write in
"There is still many questions left to answer. Aventius work has administratror, from the reports i have read or the voices i have heard wasn't good for the most. In addition your son has sin. Not once, but many times"
"While I am happy that you would pay for coronation and the funeral, i have still not quite decide on them."
"The empire though could use more money. The navy, the army, alongside the treasury it self are in need. A stronger navy would help trade and better protect the coasts for example, something that your house can benefit from."
"The church, well some regular donations could be put to use for do some good work in the name of the Sherpard. Good work is needed in the empire right now."
"Aventius though should pass some trials, and make some vows of penance. Not for wound him or shame him in public, but for make him a proper member of the faith and a man again. A better man, not what he is now."
"Lastly, having House Maniakes support to my rule would be appreaciated. An official one, that all can see."

>>5229823
Support

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:yoOq/ggE Fri 15 Apr 2022 00:17:06 No.5230127 Report

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>>5230006
My priority is to keep peace, ensure we can stabilize the empire and do some work on it. Currently is not great on most things.
The military sucks, both army and navy. Time and money will be needed to make them acceotable.
Cloaks and daggers needs to be remade due to our father mad antics, and they are fundamental for any ruler. And more.
We aren't going to war now, even if the rebels reconquest would be good. Another reason for that, is that our boy could use more education and training. Him being part of the military campaign of the eastern reconquest, maybe even in battle, would improve further his image both in and out of the empire.

>>5228305
Also this list of cuts i have write, this too. We need cash, so a modesty/austerity policy for us should do fine.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:3SI9EaN8 Fri 15 Apr 2022 00:25:07 No.5230130 Report

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>>5229805
>accept the deal
But banish his son from the capital for life for corruption or something other than regicide
>>5230110
and this

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:WWRiS1A5 Fri 15 Apr 2022 01:12:25 No.5230174 Report

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>>5229823
Supporting this, but don't demand percentages. We don't want to be seen as too greedy.

Question him on matters of administration too. See if he knows someone who might be able to replace his son, as we can't keep him in his job as is. Someone competent and averse to corruption, as his son may or may not have been.

>>5229838
I hope not. The man is grossly incompetent as is, and he's been implicated in regicide. Retiring to a life of luxury in his father's house seems too generous for him, but we can't piss off the nobility.

>>5230110
This is good too.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:rQuj861B Fri 15 Apr 2022 06:31:12 No.5230468 Report

Quoted By:

>>5229823
Supporting this write in

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iwpQgIrr Fri 15 Apr 2022 06:40:29 No.5230471 Report

Quoted By:

Ah, I'm late. I'll admit I'd want to determine his innocence or guilt first, but if the deal is ONLY to spare his life then I suppose that is acceptable. I still think he should suffer some form of punishment for his various crimes aside from regicide, if only to save face in front of the patriarch, it wouldn't be good to appear to have been bought off and not dealt out any punishment for the crimes that Aventius has confessed to our religious head personally. If we determine he had a part in killing our father then I suppose we could still spare his life, but I think an even more severe punishment should be doled out than for his other crimes, we cannot make it appear that there is no punishment for regicide.

Supporting >>5229823

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:mvec5XfA Fri 15 Apr 2022 10:11:25 No.5230554 Report

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>>5229823
+1

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Fri 15 Apr 2022 19:02:18 No.5230903 Report

Quoted By: >>5230914 >>5230952

>>5229917

>Not being familiar with SMC, I assume that to mean once we're done with the whodunnit, it will transition into more of a civquest?

Basically, yes. You will direct your Empire's and your own focus to certain issues facing the empire. Other things will still be happening in the background, meaning that unaddressed issues could become worse, or they might solve themselves. But that is for background rolls to determine.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:S1Wf1zxT Fri 15 Apr 2022 19:09:27 No.5230914 Report

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>>5230903
Oh boy, we're going to need a pastebin for that if background stuff is important to keep track of. We could do with a dramatis personae already and we're only a few updates in.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:B3ltHYbQ Fri 15 Apr 2022 19:12:39 No.5230920 Report

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>>5229805
>Give him a big wet sloppy kiss to seal the deal.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:0BQjCM43 Fri 15 Apr 2022 20:02:06 No.5230952 Report

Quoted By: >>5230956

>>5230903
I glanced over the quest, it seems as though the pacing is a little off to me, time advances too quickly and character interactions aren't all that in depth. Seems a waste to develop characters like this to have them die off so quickly.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Fri 15 Apr 2022 20:05:44 No.5230954 Report

Quoted By: >>5230955

“We understand your sincerity.” You state. “However, I must question you further. From what investigations we ordered, much had been discovered. The incense used as means of disguise for the poison was provided by your house, no doubt encouraged by your son.

And speaking of him, his all holiness had witnessed his sins, and they are many as he claims. Naturally, he had not revealed them for that would be breaking of a sacred oath to both God and man.

From the reports I had witnessed, your son had been decadent, corrupt, wasteful.

How would judge you, your all holiness ?”

Antaolius stares at you, his eyes clearly calculating. He finally clears his throat and says. “For extensive sins such as these, they naturally can be forgiven, as the Shepherd commanded us to be the will of God, but it must be known, that it is better not to sin rather than it be forgiven. A man so seeped in sin like Avienus needs for his soul to be cleansed. I could recommend a fine monastery to house him. However, it is rather far, set upon the small isle of Kalykos.”

“Would it be a befitting place for the redemption of his soul ?” You question.

“Of course, still, there are concerns. Since the isle is so small, we must import food upon it and that can be expensive. Shipping costs, the vessels themselves, the crews, and of course the goods. Sadly, temporal matters always influence spiritual ones.”

“That is understandable, your all holiness. If we could only secure said shipping lanes, it would be even better, since I assume there is also a risk of losing said shipments ?”

“Unfortunately so, your majesty. Foreign heretics, pagans and godless pirates are always a danger, occasionally even coming ashore.”

“Ah, if only our navy would be restored, but I must address so many issues that I can barely find the time for so.”

Though you cannot see it, you are certain that you can hear the sound of someone’s teeth grinding, the body of Critobulus Maniakes is also visibly shaking.

“H- house Maniakes had always been pious followers of the Shepherds commandments and loyal servants of the imperial throne. My house shall ensure to showcase so.” Moments later, the muffled voice says, still facing the floor.

“Excellent, this showcase shall be lauded far and wide across the lands. Everyone shall know of your support of the church and the throne. As for the sizes of your proposed donations…eunuch, what do you think ?”

[blue]Eunuchs are known for their greed, might as well make use of it.[/blue]

You do so whilst brazenly using your fingers to indicate percentages to him, neither his all holiness, nor Critobulus aware of your rather…unflattering showing.”

“Your majesty, I do believe that a twentieth of their profits should cover the expenses of the monastery.” At that statement, both Anatolius and Critobulus shake. “And a tenth towards the securing of the trade routes should suffice.”

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Fri 15 Apr 2022 20:06:46 No.5230955 Report

Quoted By: >>5230965 >>5231106 >>5231627 >>5231709

>>5230954

“Well put, eunuch. Yes, we do believe that sounds fair, would you agree with our opinion ?”

“O-of course, your majesty.” Through gritted teeth he responds.

“Marvellous, you shall remain here for the moment, your son still needs to be questioned and his innocence to be proven, but I guarantee you this, his life shall not be taken for as long as you keep your promise.” You rise from the throne. “We have said so.” And depart the room.

Everyone bows as you leave, and once the door is shut, and once no one sees you. You can feel your heart attempting to leave your body. You had just talked down to the richest man in the empire, bar for the emp-, wait, right, you are the emperor.

“Your majesty.” [i:lit]domestikos[/i:lit] (domestic, commander) Armentarius calls out.

“You jump with fright, being caught entirely unaware.

[blue]How does he move so silently with all of that armour ?[/blue]

Clearing your throat, you say. “Yes, what is it ?”

“The servants had been interrogated. They all point towards the [i:lit]Parakoimomenos[/i:lit] (one who sleeps nearby).”

“Are sure of this ?”

“Perfectly, we tortured a few to death in front of others. They are either well disciplined, or they truly believe that no one but Fulgentius is involved.” He remarks casually.

You are paused for a moment. [blue]To simply disregard human life like so.[/blue]

“I see. Nothing else to report ?”

“No, your majesty.”

You nod at the response, before turning to stare through the closest window. The Sun is dying, last embers of its light shall soon disappear. The news of your father’s death shall spread soon, no matter how well you try to keep it hidden.

This matter will need to come to an end, at least a temporary one, soon.

>Converse with someone (Who?)

>Torture for a confession (Who?)

>(Write in)

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Fri 15 Apr 2022 20:11:02 No.5230956 Report

Quoted By: >>5230964

>>5230952

Thanks for the criticism.

This is meant to be an introductory, world building prologue if you will. And the pace will probably unfortunately pick up, as this is at the end of the day meant to be a civ quest at the end of the day.

As for the character, they are still important, and they can be brought up once more at a later date and the like. I suppose it is my style where there really isn't much or really any plot armour that can protect characters.

If you have any ideas on how to improve, I am all ears.

I do hope you stick around and find something you like anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:0BQjCM43 Fri 15 Apr 2022 20:37:01 No.5230964 Report

Quoted By: >>5230969

>>5230956
Well I'll stick and see how it turns out in any case. I don't mind civ quests at all, but getting vested in detailed characters and then proceeding to do somewhat fast paced generational gameplay where you really can't get vested in the individuals is rather jarring.

Suppose it depends on how long you intend to run the quest, and how long you intend to spend on each generation. I think it's a good mechanic to have the MC be just as mortal as anyone else, and be able to continue as their prodigy but say translating one vote into a 10 year time timeskip is far too much for me, how can you really get invested in the characters and goings on of the world around you? Monthly progression would be more my speed, or even half year/yearly.

I will say, I do like your writing and attention to detail.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:N+wcJDba Fri 15 Apr 2022 20:38:58 No.5230965 Report

Quoted By: >>5230967 >>5231627 >>5231709 >>5231730

>>5230955

>I have a plan, let's use the patriarch to get rid of the eunuch chief without destroying the faction.

First we will go to the Cathedral for the next sermon and we will confess to the patriarch, this will be so that we are not followed or heard. We will propose the following:

We will talk about how cruel and greedy eunucih is responsible for killing our father.
But because of his position we cannot judge normally, or we will risk our own life, then we will say that we have an option that will not kill innocents or leave criminals alive.

The patriarch will be responsible for finding one of the eunuchs who is not as corrupt as the others, and he will convince him to name all the allies and accomplices oi the faction who are loyal to our target.

This eunuch will inherit the faction and these targets will die, in the prologue chapter before we officially announce the death of the emperor we will have the bodies of the culprits to present in public square.

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Malignant Advisor ID:N+wcJDba Fri 15 Apr 2022 20:41:13 No.5230967 Report

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>>5230965
>By the way, I wrote it in a hurry. Forgive me for the grammar.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Fri 15 Apr 2022 20:41:52 No.5230969 Report

Quoted By: >>5230983

>>5230964

My intention is a yearly progression, perhaps more, perhaps less depending on the decision. And I would like said decision to be as involved as what you are seeing so far.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:0BQjCM43 Fri 15 Apr 2022 21:06:28 No.5230983 Report

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>>5230969
Well that sounds pretty reasonable I'd have to say.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:WWRiS1A5 Fri 15 Apr 2022 23:29:26 No.5231106 Report

Quoted By: >>5231122 >>5231136 >>5231208 >>5231578 >>5231627 >>5231730 >>5231975

>>5230955
>Converse with someone (Who?)
Patriarch Anatolius. He's the only member of the big six who is here and isn't involved in the death of our father. Ask him about how father, what he thought of him, and his triumphs and most importantly his failures. We must learn how to avoid the mistakes of our father and become a good ruler in our own right.

>Converse with someone
Fulgentius. He obviously does not plan on dying, or else he would not have confessed. We must know more about his motivations and why he gave himself up. Ask him what he thinks we will do to him, and whether he thinks he will ever see the sunlight again. He presumes that he can control us? We may be a peasant from some backwater town, but we are The Emperor, and we will not have some arrogant fool presume to influence Our court or Our empire.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:0BQjCM43 Fri 15 Apr 2022 23:49:57 No.5231122 Report

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>>5231106
Support

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Sat 16 Apr 2022 00:03:57 No.5231136 Report

Quoted By: >>5231142

>>5231106
>He obviously does not plan on dying, or else he would not have confessed.
How so? Wouldn't him confessing mean he wants to die? Confessing to regicide seems like a great way to increase the odds of death. He and Aventius seems more like fall guys for the plotter(s) to me. One just confesses and the other has such ridiculously blatant evidence against him, it's all just seems too easy to me. His actions don't match up with his expressed motive of "greed" and we still don't know why. If anything, I think we should look at his history and associations first, then question him on why he confessed.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:+cUOKGry Sat 16 Apr 2022 00:10:07 No.5231142 Report

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>>5231136
Definitely run a background check and also talk with him to get more of an idea of who he owes this devotion to.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:N+wcJDba Sat 16 Apr 2022 01:17:25 No.5231208 Report

Quoted By: >>5231461

>>5231106

No offense, but how do these questions help us? We have the name and proof of whoever ordered our father's death, and so far we haven't done anything direct about it. This is pissing me off, the brat was a corrupt pawn in the game of a larger, well-organized faction as the eunuch himself said. Would it be possible at least once to try a plan before the panic of our father being dead spreads across the capital? I honestly don't know if we'll get another chance until this chapter is over.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n8pgr9bz Sat 16 Apr 2022 06:11:45 No.5231461 Report

Quoted By: >>5231575

>>5231208
They don't help us right now per se, but will certainly help to build up our character. And while I do think we should do something about the fact our father has died, as is we do not have enough information for me to feel comfortable condemning a man to death. We know he killed our father, and we sort of know why, but the true extent of the operation is unknown to us. I want to pump him for as much information as possible before we do anything else. Doing otherwise would be premature.

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Malignant Advisor ID:N+wcJDba Sat 16 Apr 2022 10:46:10 No.5231575 Report

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>>5231461

Have you noticed that every time QM posts the time advances? This means that we can lose the initiative at the most crucial moment, until now the news of our father's death is a closely guarded secret.

Tell me what will happen if the city panics because of rumors, and we lose control of the capital in the midst of chaos? Not only that, the Eunuch has already said that there is a secret alliance to transform us into puppet emperor. Which means in my opinion that if we don't act now, first attacking our enemies, second recovering the Eunuch faction to at least neutrality. Instead of someone sticking their hand up our ass for the rest of our reign, we will be the strong Ruler who took over the capital, wiped out some of his enemies and proved himself capable of forging alliances.

Serious the chance of salvation and better than the certainty of defeat, Until when we will play an erogen In the infinite dialog loop, when our enemies advance their plans?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:B3ltHYbQ Sat 16 Apr 2022 10:48:17 No.5231578 Report

Quoted By: >>5231595 >>5231627

>>5231106
>Sit on the patriarchs lap and look at him longingly before giving him a tongue kiss

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:eJnuGmJE Sat 16 Apr 2022 11:25:42 No.5231595 Report

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>>5231578
You fucking idiot faggot, we can and WILL fuck whatever we please after we secure our position and can't be ousted regardless of being a massive asspull from our father against our enemies. You want to take men of faith and femboy them into discarding their bows? Fine but we will do it as the Emperor who is only maybe below God, not this bitch patriarch.

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Malignant Advisor ID:N+wcJDba Sat 16 Apr 2022 12:38:06 No.5231627 Report

Quoted By:

>>5230955

So far we have three suggestions:

The smart plan:
>>5230965

The plan, what would daddy do?:
>>5231106

The Catholic plan:
>>5231578

>Does anyone else have a better idea, or is it possible for others to start voting for Quest to continue?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iwpQgIrr Sat 16 Apr 2022 14:33:51 No.5231709 Report

Quoted By:

>>5230955
I'll vote for >>5230965 I guess.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Sat 16 Apr 2022 14:54:00 No.5231730 Report

Quoted By: >>5231736 >>5231754 >>5231767 >>5231787 >>5231888

Alright >>5230965 is pretty decisive action, and will lead to the death of Fulgentius

>>5231106 is more questioning and dialogue, but other than conversation, Fulgentius will not die.

Of course, I could combine both options, since they are not mutually exclusive.

So it comes down to

>Questioning. (Fulgentius will live, for now.)

>Patriarch plan. (Fulgentius shall die, to appease the masses.)

>Combine both (Fulgentius shall die, after you converse with him.)

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:injQx3+y Sat 16 Apr 2022 14:57:04 No.5231736 Report

Quoted By:

>>5231730
>Combine both (Fulgentius shall die, after you converse with him.)

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:B8WkQ91q Sat 16 Apr 2022 15:08:35 No.5231754 Report

Quoted By:

>>5231730
>>Combine both (Fulgentius shall die, after you converse with him.)

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Malignant Advisor ID:N+wcJDba Sat 16 Apr 2022 15:22:52 No.5231767 Report

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>>5231730
>Combine both (Fulgentius shall die, after you converse with him.)

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:pajOg9qg Sat 16 Apr 2022 15:41:46 No.5231787 Report

Quoted By: >>5231855

>>5231730
>Combine both (Fulgentius shall die, after you converse with him.)

Well, with the conspiracy gone for now, I propose a way to deal with our external enemies:
1- The rebeling magnates are no problem, send Isaac to defeat them in battle after which we make a show of executing their ideologues while and giving the plebs better living condition as to persuade the middle class to side with us.
2 - The barbarians: we mount an invasion against them and, after we conquer the lands, make deals with the survivors to create a rulling coalition of our agents and them, Lenin style, AKA: We put the scum of society, the people whom otherwise wouldn't have any power, in charge as to ensure their loyalty since without us they would lose everything while we educate their children and, eventually, purge the rulling class of all barbarian elements.
3 - Akeoine - this is tricky, but nonetheless we must defeat their navy, after which we can do a repeat of the barbarians(Kill the rulling class, replace it with the outcasts of their society, purge the outcasts once the next generation is ready)
How's the plan?

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Sat 16 Apr 2022 16:00:26 No.5231805 Report

Quoted By: >>5231815 >>5231878 >>5231891 >>5231892 >>5231893 >>5231901 >>5231944 >>5231967 >>5231975

Okay, combination is locked in.

And I just realized that I need one more vote to fully flesh out this update and move things forward.

How opulent will you have the coronation be ?

>Exceptionally, hey, you don't have to pay for it.

>Moderately, fanciful, but tasteful.

>Not at all. It is a waste of time and money, some may call you cheap, some pay call you pious and humble.

And finally, the funeral, how opulent shall it be ?

>Very, the world will know that you honoured your father.

>Moderately, a good enough farewell, for an emperor that will be forgotten by history in due time.

>Not at all, it will be a private and subdued matter.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:pajOg9qg Sat 16 Apr 2022 16:04:19 No.5231815 Report

Quoted By: >>5231844

>>5231805
>Not at all. It is a waste of time and money, some may call you cheap, some pay call you pious and humble.
>Moderately, a good enough farewell, for an emperor that will be forgotten by history in due time.
No need for extravagance if we can send a better message with less and help the economy.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:LaBuAcmf Sat 16 Apr 2022 16:22:12 No.5231844 Report

Quoted By:

>>5231815
+1

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:injQx3+y Sat 16 Apr 2022 16:34:48 No.5231855 Report

Quoted By: >>5231879

>>5231787
Last I heard our armies weren't in the best of conditions.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:0BQjCM43 Sat 16 Apr 2022 16:53:46 No.5231878 Report

Quoted By:

>>5231805
>>Moderately, fanciful, but tasteful.

>>Moderately, a good enough farewell, for an emperor that will be forgotten by history in due time.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:pajOg9qg Sat 16 Apr 2022 16:55:10 No.5231879 Report

Quoted By:

>>5231855
Fair enough, my plan better deals with how to maintain our control since we would basically do the same thing as the reds in 1919 and that worked pretty well. Perhaps if we fall unto the church to do the assimmilation we would end up with Varangian style royal guards.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Sat 16 Apr 2022 17:03:05 No.5231888 Report

Quoted By:

>>5231730
Get the man drunk as well, as thanks for telling the truth. Then try to needle as much information outta him as possible.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:2FJliA8v Sat 16 Apr 2022 17:04:30 No.5231891 Report

Quoted By:

>>5231805
>Exceptionally, hey, you don't have to pay for it.
Image matters
>Moderately, a good enough farewell, for an emperor that will be forgotten by history in due time.
Daddy was not loved but he was an emperor

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Sat 16 Apr 2022 17:04:58 No.5231892 Report

Quoted By:

>>5231805
>Exceptionally, hey, you don't have to pay for it.
>Very, the world will know that you honoured your father

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iwpQgIrr Sat 16 Apr 2022 17:05:28 No.5231893 Report

Quoted By:

>>5231805
>Moderately, fanciful, but tasteful.

Displaying an appropriate amount of wealth and opulence is just a necessary part of of being a ruler or taking court. Appearing as a pauper may come off as humble and good to our modern sensibilities but it would only earn the disdain of the nobles and merchants realistically. Being moderate in our opulence can still signal the spirit of what we are going for of us not spending excessively.

>Moderately, a good enough farewell, for an emperor that will be forgotten by history in due time.

We shouldn't dishonour him and he achieved something at least, but he wasn't really a great or even good emperor.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:injQx3+y Sat 16 Apr 2022 17:08:32 No.5231901 Report

Quoted By:

>>5231805
>Moderately, fanciful, but tasteful.
>Moderately, a good enough farewell, for an emperor that will be forgotten by history in due time.
Just realised I forgot to vote

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Malignant Advisor ID:N+wcJDba Sat 16 Apr 2022 17:45:27 No.5231944 Report

Quoted By: >>5231961

>>5231805

>Not at all. It is a waste of time and money, some may call you cheap, some pay call you pious and humble.
In the coming months every coin will count.

>Moderately, a good enough farewell, for an emperor that will be forgotten by history in due time.
Anything less will offend what's left of the royal family.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:0BQjCM43 Sat 16 Apr 2022 17:59:22 No.5231961 Report

Quoted By: >>5231974

>>5231944
>In the coming months every coin will count.

Its not our coin.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:B8WkQ91q Sat 16 Apr 2022 18:03:24 No.5231967 Report

Quoted By:

>>5231805
>>Moderately, fanciful, but tasteful.
>Very, the world will know that you honoured your father.

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Malignant Advisor ID:N+wcJDba Sat 16 Apr 2022 18:10:14 No.5231974 Report

Quoted By:

>>5231961
We are the Emperor, the central bank and our personal wallet.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Sat 16 Apr 2022 18:11:29 No.5231975 Report

Quoted By: >>5231984 >>5231993

>>5231805
Are the ceremonies public or private? Assuming they're private:
>Not at all. It is a waste of time and money, some may call you cheap, some pay call you pious and humble.

>Moderately, a good enough farewell, for an emperor that will be forgotten by history in due time.

Also, while I do want to question Fulgentius, I think these questions >>5231106 are stupid for the reasons I previously stated. If, besides the other questions, you want some characterization then I'd suggest speaking about how it doesn't matter that Fulgentius is taking the fall for someone else. The empire will not be to undermined under our watch and so we will find them and we will deal with them.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Sat 16 Apr 2022 18:17:32 No.5231984 Report

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>>5231975

They are public, but if the cheap option is chosen they will be private.

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Malignant Advisor ID:N+wcJDba Sat 16 Apr 2022 18:23:46 No.5231993 Report

Quoted By: >>5232004

>>5231975
Fulgentius will laugh hard at the face of the eighteen-year-old boy who just last week was going on with his life in some godforsaken village.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Sat 16 Apr 2022 18:28:07 No.5231999 Report

Quoted By: >>5232004

The coronation:

Cheap 4

Moderate 4

Exceptional 2

The funeral:

Moderate 8

Exceptional 2

Okay, the funeral is set, am continuing to write. Still need coronation.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Sat 16 Apr 2022 18:30:11 No.5232004 Report

Quoted By: >>5232009 >>5232010

>>5231993
Is that a criticism or an observation? If it's the former, It was just what came up from the top of my head. If the latter, he can laugh all he wants, not like he'll be alive to see if we'll fail or succeed anyway.

>>5231999
I'll change my vote to moderate then.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Sat 16 Apr 2022 18:34:47 No.5232009 Report

Quoted By:

>>5232004

Moderate coronation locked in

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Malignant Advisor ID:N+wcJDba Sat 16 Apr 2022 18:35:18 No.5232010 Report

Quoted By:

>>5232004
latter. The irony of the farmer killing the master manipulator is too perfect.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Sat 16 Apr 2022 19:16:03 No.5232065 Report

Quoted By: >>5232069

“Your all holiness, what did you think of my father ? His great successes, and even greater failures ? How can avoid such mistakes and become a great ruler ?” You ask with trepidation.

Currently, you find yourself in the cathedral of his martyred saint Artades. The first companion of the Shepherd. He had been executed by a Thephian emperor of old. He had crushed invading pagan armies, in the Shepherds name as a mercenary, and his reward was betrayal for his desire to spread the true faith back when the empire was ruled over by godless pagans.

“Your father.” He sighs, his voiced muffled as he sits on the other side of a rather private confessional, meant for nobles, like you had become since yesterday. “He had always been consumed by the sins of wrath and pride. But he also possessed great vigour and diligence, used to a hard life of a soldier he also exercised temperance, forgoing great temptations of sloth and gluttony. But in the end, all of this was wiped away by his pride. He had been always abrasive, unwilling to listen to anyone once he made up his mind. His will would be done, no matter the cost. And the cost finally caught up to him. Your father had made no friends as he sat upon the imperial throne, but the common people loved him for his reforms, and the fact that he never directed his destructive tendencies unto them. He was a complex man, consumed by paranoia and made a shell of himself by his ending days.”

“And how do I maintain my virtue ? Like those of my father, whilst avoiding his sins ?”

“I would advise meditation and confession. Centre yourself before making any momentous decisions. Your father’s soul had been reeling from the sins one in his place must commit in order to rule well. Rely upon me to cleanse your soul and allow me to cleanse the miasma that will no doubt plague your mind.”

“Thank you, your all holiness. But now, I unfortunately have to discuss sins that must be committed with you.” You say drawing a deep breath, the incense filling your lungs, its smell reminding you of the day’s start, where you were pronounced one above all and below one, only to become emperor scant hours after. “Fulgentius is the one responsible for my father’s death, and I fear that paranoia that runs in my blood is acting up. I had thought of bathing the palace in eunuch blood, as means of revenge, as means of protecting myself. But I realized that I cannot do so. But I know that I must do something, anything, for the people will demand blood, and I myself wish to see justice delivered.

Can I ask you, your all holiness, to find an eunuch, someone with a pure soul and steadfast nature, someone willing to point out traitors in their midst, those still loyal to Fulgentius ? I would have him made the new [i:lit]parakoimomenos[/i:lit] (one who sleeps nearby).”

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Sat 16 Apr 2022 19:17:04 No.5232069 Report

Quoted By: >>5232072

>>5232065

“There is virtue even in the most sinful of men. I shall endeavour to do so, my son. This I swear upon the Shepherds name. I assure you, that by the coming of the holy day, only those of virtue and loyalty shall remain.”

“So, it shall be done by tomorrow then. I thank you, your all holiness.”

“May the Shepherd guide to God’s embrace, my son.”

With final farewells, you step out of the confessional. The darkened cathedral greeting you. Candles still burn bright in the darkness, the full moon shines clearly through a clear and large circular window set far above the pedestal where upon his all holiness would read the sermons to the faithful. No matter if it is night or day, either moonlight or sunlight, they both without pause shine upon the holy book and their guardians. Paintings depicting the Shepherd’s journey are set alongside the walls. From the day archangel Netarius revealed himself to him and commanded him to conquer, or the time when the Shepherd first raised an army, for God himself to send a signal to him to defeat his foes, but show mercy upon them. And of course, the grandest painting of all, depicting his ascendance where upon he had become the son of God, no matter what some heretics claim.

You take a deep breath, as you being marching through a figurative forest of pews. Your footsteps echoing as they impact the marble floor, inlaid with gold forming the symbols of the Shepherds sword, by which he freed, killed, and he himself died to redeem all men. The far ceiling, submerged in shadows, houses the statues of angels, looking down upon mere men, judging their actions, weighing their sins, and forgiving those who lived in virtue.

Eventually, you reach a small side door, through which you had entered earlier. Quickly snapping to attention, the dozen [i:lit]Scholae Tagmata[/i:lit] (School regiment/battalion) snap to attention as you leave the cathedral. Armentarius had insisted that you take a large bodyguard on your journey, the simple fact that the cathedral is within the royal district does not make the journey there safe, or so he claimed.

With the matter weighing down upon you heavily now resolved, you head to the last place you must visit. A fitting place to visit at such late hour to boot – the dungeon.

With an oil lamp providing limited illumination, carried by one of your bodyguards, you descend the stairs leading deep underground, the steps being covered in a thin layer of moss, showing that dampness and moisture had long since taken hold in the dungeon, on purpose, you had learnt. A means of added torture to those housed here awaiting their inevitable end. A pointless cruelty, and an inefficient one, many a guard lost their lives slipping on these endless stairs stretching into untold darkness far, far below.

Finally, after five minutes of walking, at least you think it took you so long, you have arrived at a landing, a few more oil lamps burning, showcasing the way, you begin walking.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Sat 16 Apr 2022 19:18:05 No.5232072 Report

Quoted By: >>5232074

>>5232069

Eventually, you reach a simple chamber, a wooden door with bars set in it, around the height of you face, allowing you to see clearly into the cell. The guards that had been placed to look after Fulgentius, long since stepped aside, giving you a moment of privacy.

Something does surprise you. Fulgentius is simply sitting on the floor, a calm expression on his face, he is humming a song and appearing quite peaceful.

“I never knew eunuchs had a sense for music.” You say, drawing the man’s attention to you.

“Most do not, but I grew up in an orphanage, your majesty, the local abbot there took us on every holy day to the church, so that we would sing praises for God and his Shepherd.” He responds whilst maintaining his tranquillity.

“Why did you give yourself up ?”

“I simply lack the will to continue the endless game of emperors.”

“So you’d rather die ?”

“I am a eunuch, your majesty, I am old. I have nothing left for me but my life, but even that is running out. The plan was in motion long before you had even arrived, I suspect that the old emperor sensed something off as well, which is probably why he brought you here with such great haste. But now you are in control. A new assassination, a new court, a list of new favourites, and a list of those now hated. It is tiring, you see.”

“Seeing me reacting like I was a monarch, and not a scared peasant, showcased that your plans failed, that you could not control me.”

“Correct, your majesty.” He smiles, ever so slightly.

“Do you think you shall see sunlight again ?”

“I do. My execution will be public as it can possibly be. The crowd shall jeer at me and then cheer once the axe drops, or the noose around my neck shall snap it. And with my death, their bloodlust shall be satisfied, your reign solidified.” He grimly states, meeting your gaze, a man on death row need not fear of committing a crime that would see him dead.

“That is all I wished to know, farewell Fulgentius.” You step away with rapid footsteps, desiring to leave the dark, cold, and damp of the dungeon.

“May your reign last long, your majesty.” Fulgentius’ distant voice is barely caught by your ears.

The night is sleepless. During it, your guards, with the help of Anatolius, purge the palace. Blood is spilt, as some resist, but most simply collapse out of fear when the heavily armoured and armed men that had once guarded them now threatened their lives. And whilst all of this is going on, you sit in your office. [i:lit]Chartoularios tou kanikleiou[/i:lit] (keeper of the imperial inkstand) standing by your side the entire time. To distract your mind of the happenings on in the palace, you immerse yourself in work.

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NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Sat 16 Apr 2022 19:19:07 No.5232074 Report

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>>5232072

Luckily, the palace is still with full larders and thankfully you have more than enough incense for what you are planning. A funeral for your father. It shall be fitting of an emperor, a tasteful display for the end of his reign. The church bells shall ring during the funeral procession, criers shall remark about your father’s achievements. Everyone shall be wearing white, to symbolize the purity of your father’s final journey onwards to God’s side. A large pyre shall be erected in the forum, for all to see. Your father shall be clad in his armour, a sword by his side and a crown on his face, a satchel of coins by his side, a collection of his favoured foods upon silverware. And throughout the entire process, incense shall be burnt, filling the path with its smell, telling all, that a great man had passed. The traditional way to lay to rest such an august person. You cannot afford to give your father a funeral of one of the great emperors, but it will be acceptable and to tradition.

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(POV shift: You are Vigilius Ypsilanti, a mere apprentice to a smith within the great city of Myralos.)

With the coming of ‘morning, you had gone down from the top floor of the stone building you called home, a stuffy and small place, meant for the poor, if you could only live on the bottom floor, you would not need to spend hours dragging buckets of water for drinking. You were a new apprentice, and as such it was your duty to get charcoal for your master, but as you finish bargaining with the merchant, a crier can be heard over the hum of people.

“Good citizens of the Empire ! Hear my voice ! I bring to thee news most grave !” The man clearly and loudly shouts.

Curious, you join the large gathering of people. You also notice that there are criers all around town today, shouting the same thing. Something big must’ve happened.

“Know this, and know that I speak the truth ! Our Emperor Andronikos Angelus has died and it was done by means most foul !”

Shock fills the crowd, and you yourself are also surprised by the news.

“But worry not ! The Emperor’s long lost son, Manuel Angelus, had taken the throne and succeeded his father ! He had also found the traitors responsible for the death of our great lord ! Know this, know it well that I speak the truth ! The traitors shall be executed in the forum come noon !”

Talks erupt all around you as the news is declared.

“After the execution of those who slew our brave Emperor, his funeral shall be held !”

[blue]A funeral procession ? That will hurt work for today, master will be irritable once he learns about it.[/blue]

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(End of POV shift.)

The fury of the pyre stabs your cheeks. Your bodyguards are all around the forum, keeping the people away whilst allowing them to witness the final passing of their old Emperor, and you, their new lord soon to be.

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NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Sat 16 Apr 2022 19:20:09 No.5232076 Report

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>>5232074

His all holiness delivers are sermon about the virtues that your father had displayed in life, so that they may follow him in death, whilst his sins remain unsaid, so that he would forget them and live purely in the afterlife.

With that matter done with. You return back to the palace, there you lay upon the purple beddings, you had not slept the entire night. You will soon have your coronation, a week from now.

It shall be done in the cathedral of his martyred saint Artades, with his all holiness being the one to crown you. Food will be distributed to the masses, chariot races will run without stop, musicians and entertainers shall wander the streets. But that all is for the masses, inside the palace you shall host a banquet with anyone and everyone of import still within the city. Your new crown will be forged, just as resplendent as your father’s, you could have gone for something more expensive, but you get the feeling that house Maniakes might revolt if you keep squeezing them.

But for now, you can rest, for now you can think. What will you say during your first court session ? What direction will the Empire take under your rule ? So many issues, so many problems, but there is only you.

>Reform the navy.

>Reform the army.

>The administration is inefficient and in the need of an overhaul.

>You are in debt, you will have to think of a way to solve this issue.

>You have to deal with the Lucenians.

>The Akeonians need to be ended.

>You cannot tolerate the eastern magnates.

>The overall infrastructure of the empire is in disrepair, perhaps you should focus on that ?

>The court is full of intrigue, you will have to tame it before you can consider anything else.

>You need to brake the power of the nobility, they had been growing in strength too much and may one day pose a serious threat to you.

>Religious schisms had spread throughout the empire, heretics and the faithful are at peace for now, but it is a volcano ready to erupt.

>(Write in)

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Anonymous ID:pajOg9qg Sat 16 Apr 2022 19:28:53 No.5232093 Report

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>>5232076
>The administration is inefficient and in the need of an overhaul.
>The overall infrastructure of the empire is in disrepair, perhaps you should focus on that ?
>You are in debt, you will have to think of a way to solve this issue.

Since this is our first session, we should start with something that everyone could agree upon.

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Forgot the symbol

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Anonymous ID:injQx3+y Sat 16 Apr 2022 19:44:38 No.5232121 Report

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>>5232076
>The administration is inefficient and in the need of an overhaul.
>The overall infrastructure of the empire is in disrepair, perhaps you should focus on that ?
>The court is full of intrigue, you will have to tame it before you can consider anything else.

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Malignant Advisor ID:N+wcJDba Sat 16 Apr 2022 20:02:29 No.5232143 Report

Quoted By: >>5232435 >>5233073

>>5232076

>Reform the navy.
Much of the wealth of our empire comes from products extracted from the islands, which are in the sights of our western enemies. A forgotten and weak navy will not protect our most valuable treasure.

>The court is full of intrigue, you will have to tame it before you can consider anything else.
We strive to restore imperial spies and assassins, their lack was one of the causes of our father's death. As long as different desires split the court in different directions, nothing was done.

>The administration is inefficient and in the need of an overhaul.
The greed of aristocrats swindling fees and greedy administrators have run the empire's image for far too long something has to be done to alleviate the suffering of our people. In addition to regretting our financial collection that is unfairly stolen from the royal coffers.

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Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Sat 16 Apr 2022 20:34:42 No.5232195 Report

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>>5232076
>Reform the navy.
>The administration is inefficient and in the need of an overhaul.
>The court is full of intrigue, you will have to tame it before you can consider anything else.

The Navy needs reform, the Admiral will be pleased and Issac will be reassured that his words have been taken to heart about the Horsemen. We can also ensure that the rebuild Navy shall be loyal to us.

The Administration needs an overhaul, that way we can stop bleeding resources and get shit done, as well as levy more taxes for the debt. This also has the benefit of purging the corrupt and making this institution more loyal to us, though we should take pain to keep it functional, efficient, and effective. Issac will also be pleased that we are herding the Administration and that his words held more sway, this will keep him relatively satisfied for the moment.

Navigating the Court is necessary to know what the hell is going on internally in the Empire, and managing it’s intrigue will be a running theme of our reign I imagine.

We’ll get to the others in due time, maybe. I think roads and infrastructure, attacking one of our neighbors, and dealing with the noble will have to be next, with debt being something we should chip away at every ‘round’ or so.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:S1Wf1zxT Sat 16 Apr 2022 20:42:21 No.5232202 Report

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>>5232076
>The administration is inefficient and in the need of an overhaul.
>Reform the navy.
>The court is full of intrigue, you will have to tame it before you can consider anything else.
No doubt our government is full of Avienuses, and bleeding what little money we have and dragging down the state. We cannot have a functional state like this, and we must prepare to audit every last sheet of vellum and clean house.
The navy is a slow beast, and protecting the trade that is still the remaining lifeblood of the empire is of the utmost importance. Our islands would also be very vulnerable in the event of war, or even just regular raiding and skirmishes.
We must removed the knives at our back first, and bring the fist down on this decadent den of wolves. Force them to fall in line, and see about (re-)building the spy network.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iwpQgIrr Sat 16 Apr 2022 21:03:38 No.5232234 Report

Quoted By: >>5232265

>>5232076
>The court is full of intrigue, you will have to tame it before you can consider anything else.
>Religious schisms had spread throughout the empire, heretics and the faithful are at peace for now, but it is a volcano ready to erupt.
>You cannot tolerate the eastern magnates.

We cannot get anything done while our courtiers scheme and wile away. That comes first before anything else lest we be backstabbed.

We cannot afford more internal strife erupting in another civil war, not to mention the inefficiencies a lack of mutual trust causes in society and not having a clear canon on what is the true way.

If there is anyone we should be fighting initially it is the rebels, it is a priority to deal with them before they settle in and form their own institutions and legitimacy.

I know that people will probably think we shouldn't fight at all without at least reforming the army, but mercenaries and vagabonds or not I think we have more than just peasants with sticks. They just need to be well lead and properly supplied, Isaac (or some other capable general should drama ensue with Isaac) can deal with it. He'll be unhappy until the corruption is rooted out and he isn't having to deal with bullshit, but a personal touch on our part should smooth over the initial logistical and procurement issues. We don't need a new force structure or new method of funding arms, armour and supplies with the taxes to support such, at least not yet, we just need the necessities.

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Anonymous ID:iwpQgIrr Sat 16 Apr 2022 21:07:03 No.5232241 Report

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>>5232076
Actually, nevermind, I'll switch to...
>Reform the navy.
>The administration is inefficient and in the need of an overhaul.
>The court is full of intrigue, you will have to tame it before you can consider anything else.

Didn't interpret the text properly, this is just our first year goals not long term goals for the only things we want to get done during our reign as if the reforms would take many years of life to only do so little.

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Malignant Advisor ID:N+wcJDba Sat 16 Apr 2022 21:21:00 No.5232265 Report

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>>5232234

Those aren't bad goals replacing court reform with army reform I would say these would be our priorities for the second year. In addition to our wedding, which if it were up to me, would be right after the coronation.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Mk8wxxdk Sat 16 Apr 2022 21:54:44 No.5232336 Report

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>>5232076
>>The administration is inefficient and in the need of an overhaul.

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Anonymous ID:WWRiS1A5 Sat 16 Apr 2022 23:14:36 No.5232435 Report

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>>5232143
Support, but prioritise the administration first.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:pnLxXUf9 Sun 17 Apr 2022 05:23:19 No.5233073 Report

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>>5232143
Supporting

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Anonymous ID:5C3NZcKs Sun 17 Apr 2022 06:02:15 No.5233119 Report

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>>5232076
>Reform the navy.
>The administration is inefficient and in the need of an overhaul.
>The court is full of intrigue, you will have to tame it before you can consider anything else.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:2FJliA8v Sun 17 Apr 2022 07:14:39 No.5233180 Report

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>Reform the navy. (If i remember right our silk centres are in islands)
>The administration is inefficient and in the need of an overhaul.
>The court is full of intrigue, you will have to tame it before you can consider anything else.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:B8WkQ91q Sun 17 Apr 2022 11:02:58 No.5233265 Report

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>>5232076
>>The administration is inefficient and in the need of an overhaul.

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Anonymous ID:UShc+IIv Sun 17 Apr 2022 13:47:20 No.5233324 Report

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>>5232076
>>Reform the navy.
>>The administration is inefficient and in the need of an overhaul.
>>The court is full of intrigue, you will have to tame it before you can consider anything else.

This is a balanced approach to set a proper foundation on I agree.

After this perhaps we can start working on the army and solving some other domestic issues, then we can push for some of our lost lands.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Sun 17 Apr 2022 16:57:37 No.5233511 Report

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Administration 13

Infrastructure 2

Debt 1

Court 10

Navy 9

Okay, administration reforms win, followed by dealing with the court and then trying to reform the navy.

(I should've clarified that you can only concentrate on one task at a time, but fuck it, it was my bad, let us see if your ch goes insane from stress of juggling so many tasks at once.)

Writing.

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Malignant Advisor ID:N+wcJDba Sun 17 Apr 2022 17:08:55 No.5233522 Report

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>>5233511
oh no

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Anonymous ID:UShc+IIv Sun 17 Apr 2022 17:11:28 No.5233525 Report

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>>5233511
>(I should've clarified that you can only concentrate on one task at a time, but fuck it, it was my bad, let us see if your ch goes insane from stress of juggling so many tasks at once.)
Well thats not nice

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iwpQgIrr Sun 17 Apr 2022 17:21:22 No.5233539 Report

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>>5233511
You know...I was wondering about that, since at firs I chose 3 options because I saw the first few anons always choose 3, but when I read the last post more closely it never mentioned how many options to pick at all.

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NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Sun 17 Apr 2022 18:57:46 No.5233626 Report

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[b:lit]Anno domini 1083[/b:lit]

The bells ring loudly above you. The warm sunlight falls upon your face, warming you even in the middle of the cold winter. You are on your knees, that are placed on a comfortable red cushion. Incense fills the cathedral of his martyred saint Artades, a large gathered crowd of all whom are of any note stand solemnly in front of their seating places amongst the pews. The angelic voices of a choir sing low and slowly, a permanent calming noise going on and on.

“-It is by the grace of God-“

The [i:lit]Oikoumenikós Patriárchēs[/i:lit] (ecumenical patriarch) continues his speech. You shift ever so slightly, your royal robes heavy upon you. The long trailing purple cloak had to be carried by six servants behind you, so as to not stain it in the streets. A mixture of velvet and silks contrasting with each other, silver and gold thread combining the materials into seamlessly well-fitting clothes. Gems are sewn in, especially on the cloak, rubies line its sides, sunlight being reflected from them as it impacts. Diamonds are placed around your collar and the greenest emeralds on your cuffs.

“-and by the tradition of our great Empire-“

A week had passed since your father’s funeral and the execution of Fulgentius. It was cloudy the day of his death, black clouds had completely made the Sun shy away from showing herself, denying the old eunuch his last sunshine before meeting the Shepherd and being judged by him. Alongside the cadre of his followers, all of their heads as the axe fell were covered in tar and place on spikes above the city’s main entrance.

“-the senate, and the people-“

It was hectic, the time spent preparing for this occasion, especially because of new servants that were hastily needed. You cast a quick glance at Gallienus – your new [i:lit]parakoimomenos[/i:lit] (one who sleeps nearby), he had come to power under the advice of his all holiness. A younger man, only in his thirties, but still older than you. He had always been exceptionally welcoming and obedient in the interactions you had with him, he had aimed to please your every whim. It was quite stifling really, if you cough due to a dry throat, he already presents to you a glass of wine, if you shudder due for some reason, he instantly procures a coat for you.

“-I hereby proclaim thee, Manuel Angelus, first of his name, [i:lit]Imperator, Basileús kai Autokrátōr Thephaiōn[/i:lit] (General, Sovereign and Autocrat of Thephians).” He finishes the long-winded speech.

Finally, he places the royal diadem upon your head. Made of gold, diamonds, sapphires, rubies, emeralds, amethysts all are encrusted into it. Strings of white pearls hand to the side of the diadem and in front of your eyes.

A loud cheer rises from the gathered host, the chants of “long live the emperor, long live the empire” are repeated ad nauseum.

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NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Sun 17 Apr 2022 18:58:47 No.5233628 Report

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>>5233626

You yourself rise to your full height, servants presenting to you, on cushioned pillows, the royal sceptre, a symbol of your power and authority, and a beautiful sword, the symbol of the fact that you can wage war as you see fit.

Taking both in hand, you begin to slowly turn, servants rushing to ensure that your cloak is unstained.

“We hereby swear !” Your voice silences the crowd, and even the chanting of the choir stops. ”To uphold the dignity and pride of the empire ! To reign with justice and fairness ! To protect all citizens of the empire from threats both within and without ! As is my duty and privilege as Emperor !”

Again, the cries of “long live the emperor, long live the empire” are repeated.

You cannot help but feel nervous, as you would expect in a situation like, but you also cannot help but feel pride. Maybe that is why so many emperors are guilty of the sin of pride ?
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“Are these all of them ?” You question.

“Yes, your majesty.” [i:lit]Chartoularios tou kanikleiou[/i:lit] (keeper of the imperial inkstand).

You look over the sheer mountain of documents. You had requested all paperwork related to the administration and its functions presented to you. In just the first hour, you already found no less than thirteen discrepancies in the reports. You had found out that a portion of the funds sent for the maintenance of the road network, had conveniently went through the estates of the local men of influence that the local governor at time had been good friends with. This was more than ten years ago, and the man is already dead, for good or for ill, killed by your father, apparently. He had stood on the side of the old royal family and angered your father.

“How are we structured, administratively I mean ?”

“The empire is divided in [i:lit]thémata[/i:lit] (placement, district). Districts of administration where the local governor holds responsibility of a judge, military commander and overall head administrator. All governors are appointed by royal decree for a duration of ten years.”

“And how many [i:lit]thémata[/i:lit] (placement, district) are there ?”

“Officially, we have forty-five.”

“Officially ?”

“The eastern magnates, your majesty. As it stands, we in truth control twenty-five.”

“I see. And where do we draw our governors from ?”

“The senate. The men of it have the connections, wealth, experience and education for such important positions.”

“And judging by this document here.” You say waiving around a piece of parchment. “When appointed, the family of the man tends to present a magnificent gift, not to the empire, but the emperor.”

“It seems so, your majesty.”

“And the simple administrators ?”

“Usually, the governor will assemble his own administrators for the task of ruling. But there are some permanent bureaucrats in place. Those tend to be the tax collectors and census officials.”

“Whom are they appointed by ?”

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NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Sun 17 Apr 2022 18:59:49 No.5233629 Report

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>>5233628

“You, your majesty, the head tax collector and the head census official, that is. The people actually carrying out the tasks on the ground tend to be officials appointed by these two previously mentioned heads.”

“And I assume they also tend to be family and friends ?”

“That is correct, your majesty.”

You had left the banquet of your coronation, since you were so enthused about improving your empire, but now you regret having a clear mind. Now the decisions swirl in your mind, how should you solve this issue ?

[red]Can pick more than one. Write ins encouraged.[/red]

>Establish a system of merit for the recruitment of new administrators. Have them tested every then years and investigated every five to see if they do their tasks well. No doubt this will anger the nobility, but harsh times require harsh actions.

>Strike a deal with the senate, have them funnel more cash to you for guaranteed appointments, if nothing else, it should help the treasury.

>Perhaps you should seek out foreigners for this task ? Experienced and learned, they could easily rule in your name, and they wouldn’t have friends and family in need to empower.

>(Write in)

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NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Sun 17 Apr 2022 19:01:19 No.5233631 Report

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Sorry for the slow updates this weekend, Easter and all that. Speaking of which,

Happy Easter, anons.

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Anonymous ID:Mk8wxxdk Sun 17 Apr 2022 19:13:13 No.5233644 Report

Quoted By: >>5233724

>>5233629
>>Establish a system of merit for the recruitment of new administrators. Have them tested every then years and investigated every five to see if they do their tasks well. No doubt this will anger the nobility, but harsh times require harsh actions.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:B8WkQ91q Sun 17 Apr 2022 19:13:54 No.5233645 Report

Quoted By: >>5233724

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iN6NOdU2 Sun 17 Apr 2022 19:28:47 No.5233660 Report

Quoted By: >>5233724

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Rx0+7utS Sun 17 Apr 2022 19:43:17 No.5233675 Report

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Anonymous ID:UShc+IIv Sun 17 Apr 2022 19:57:57 No.5233682 Report

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>>5233629
>>(Write in)

Lets simply draw up an exam that needs to be passed, it can be expanded upon later. Better to do things in increments rather than all at once, keeps people from being as upset about change.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iwpQgIrr Sun 17 Apr 2022 20:06:56 No.5233691 Report

Quoted By: >>5233709 >>5233724

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NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Sun 17 Apr 2022 20:19:03 No.5233709 Report

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>>5233691

I do know, I am away from my PC right now. I keep those in as means of still distinguishing it for you anons and for myself, so that I do not forget to do it later.

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Malignant Advisor ID:N+wcJDba Sun 17 Apr 2022 20:29:21 No.5233724 Report

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Anonymous ID:yoOq/ggE Sun 17 Apr 2022 21:41:11 No.5233810 Report

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Anonymous ID:S1Wf1zxT Sun 17 Apr 2022 22:27:23 No.5233845 Report

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>>5233629
>Establish a system of merit for the recruitment of new administrators. Have them tested every then years and investigated every five to see if they do their tasks well. No doubt this will anger the nobility, but harsh times require harsh actions.
We should take strong inspiration from the Chinese keju system, with set examinations you need to pass to be able to enter the civil service and progressively tougher exams for higher ranks to ensure competency and integrity of the people we hire. The nobility will be forced to toe the line and jump through the hoops we set them, lest they lose all their influence altogether (if the big families complain and refuse to participate, plenty of lower families will be all too happy to offer up their scions instead) and in the long term it should help break the power of the strongest noble families by removing the direct link between patronage and governance. These exams must be phased in to avoid total staffing chaos.

A new organisation will be needed to handle the investigation and routine auditing process, with the staff recruited via the aforementioned examinations and a couple of the best and most trustworthy picked to watch the watchmen, so to say. Investigations should have a degree of randomness to them, since if inspectors turn up every x years on the dot, it makes it easier to hide things, as well as being done ad hoc if something is brought to their notice.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UBr4B5/G Sun 17 Apr 2022 23:11:50 No.5233896 Report

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>>5233845
If we are going with the chinese position by merit system then we ought to have the standards not require literally perfect grades to pass, it lowers our potential pool of candidates and puts an overemphasis on rote memorization of critical texts over knowing how to adapt that theoretical knowledge to the changing times.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:S1Wf1zxT Sun 17 Apr 2022 23:16:57 No.5233903 Report

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>>5233896
Yes, the Chinese system was not perfect in that respect and the overly stringent pass requirements hamstrung the administration later on. They just have to do well enough for us to know they can do their job in a trustworthy manner.

On another matter, the exams should also be open to commoners. While education standards mean the vast majority of the candidates will be from noble classes, it would be a waste to discard talent from outside the usual pool.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Sun 17 Apr 2022 23:48:37 No.5233943 Report

Quoted By: >>5233967

>>5233629
I was gonna do a write in but >>5233845 is pretty much what I was going to suggest.

>>5233903
I think peasants would be more common than you think, at least if our protagonist is anything to go by. Although he might just be the exception.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:S1Wf1zxT Mon 18 Apr 2022 00:21:20 No.5233967 Report

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>>5233943
The clerical background we took was the only one that explicitly mentioned we were literate at all, and I assume that had we gone with another option we would have to learn how to read and write (or not, plenty of mediaeval rulers were illiterate though this does present a rather major drawback). Early mediaeval literacy rates were - while not as low as people think - still very low and if you weren't nobility, a merchant, an artisan or involved with the church (i.e. someone who needed to be able to read and write for their job) like us, you were almost certainly going to be illiterate, let alone versed in what one needs to be a civil servant.
Commoners who pass the exam are more than likely going to be from the aforementioned groups rather than random peasants, though attempting to promote literacy among the lower classes could be a long-term goal (this may be very difficult given the realities of mediaeval society).

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Anonymous ID:WWRiS1A5 Mon 18 Apr 2022 00:26:09 No.5233971 Report

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>>5233845
Support. It fits our character too, since he's from an educated background.

>>5233724
Supporting this too.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:5C3NZcKs Mon 18 Apr 2022 00:31:31 No.5233974 Report

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>>5233967
That is true until the printing press became a thing. It was only then that literacy became widespread otherwise it was just too damned expensive.

>>5233845
Investigators should be chosen at random, to be kept anonymous, and the times of investigation are randomized. Basically, make it impossible to know WHO the investigators are and WHEN the investigations will occur. While making the position strictly temporary and answering directly to us. If you do a good job it will do wonders for your career and nobody will really know which fucker was the one who screwed them over.

Also, make it possible to anonymously report to the investigators for crimes and include the means to offer invidence in exchange for leniency for one's own crimes. This will make it possible for commoners to report on the corrupt and nobles while at the same time making it possible for small fish to turn on big fish. Make it so that two reports must be copied and made. One of them directly sent and archived to us directly in case of 'misplacement' aka corruption in the attempt to squash investigations.

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Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Mon 18 Apr 2022 00:36:05 No.5233976 Report

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>>5233967
I know all of that. I was only commenting on the fact that there will be a not insignificant number of commoners in the administration if a clerical career choice is not uncommon amongst the peasantry.

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Anonymous ID:UBr4B5/G Mon 18 Apr 2022 00:47:32 No.5233990 Report

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>>5233629
Yeah, well, anyways I'll support >>5233845 with the caveat that we not mimic the chinese system exactly, we don't need the ultra, ultra high standards.

>>5233724
Sounds good, don't think it'll prevent hostile action on the part of the more disgruntled nobles, and there will be grumbling no matter how we handle it, but it could help. Supporting this as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:S1Wf1zxT Mon 18 Apr 2022 01:51:50 No.5234053 Report

Quoted By: >>5234425

>>5233976
Yes, there would probably be quite a few given the more or less meritocratic nature of the exam, just not many peasants. I think we're using different definitions of peasant here, I take it to mean a low-class agricultural labourer specifically rather than an underclass commoner in general. We could create specialised schools for the training of people to become civil servants to open up recruitment to the commoners and peasantry more, but this could be very expensive.
>>5233974
Indeed, I think widespread literacy will have to wait for the printing press to come around.
There's some pluses and minuses to this. Recruitment by lot (from a curated candidate pool at that) and temporary positions keeps the faces from becoming known and expands the role with incentives to do well, but on the other hand it prevents the best candidates from being selected, stops agents from gaining extensive experience and means good ones still have to be let go at the end of their terms. Perhaps the best-performing agents could be offered permanent positions and used on investigations that require them or to guide the new ones.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Mon 18 Apr 2022 03:33:12 No.5234137 Report

Quoted By: >>5234432

>>5233629
>Establish a system of merit for the recruitment of new administrators. Have them tested every then years and investigated every five to see if they do their tasks well. No doubt this will anger the nobility, but harsh times require harsh actions.
Base level administration.
>Strike a deal with the senate, have them funnel more cash to you for guaranteed appointments, if nothing else, it should help the treasury.
To create/for political allies, some to be given the technical governor position of the Eastern Magistrates, to give them an incentive to keep the Administration relatively functional and loyal while being a pressure release valve to lessen the shitstorm the Senate is going to give us.
>Perhaps you should seek out foreigners for this task ? Experienced and learned, they could easily rule in your name, and they wouldn’t have friends and family in need to empower.
Our investigators, temporary positions, and important positions we need to control at all costs. Plus, this give us is experience and expertise to eventually create our own Varangian Guard.

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Mon 18 Apr 2022 09:39:46 No.5234425 Report

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>>5234053

The the idea of including the peasants and investing in education in the future seems to me a good idea, but a lot of our nobles are already in revolt, nobles with troops capable of inflicting losses on our small and outdated army.

The loss of privileges plus the persecution against corruption without any reward to appease them will end with us, spending a good part of our reign fighting against two revolts that's why I don't find the idea plausible.

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Mon 18 Apr 2022 09:52:17 No.5234432 Report

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>>5234137

First idea - Good.

Second idea - Horrible.
The financial loss plus the damage the corruption attack will cause can raise the ire of the nobles for a second rebellion. especially if they have to lose tuition fees, position money, and go for more taxes. We don't have an army to take such drastic actions.

Third idea - Good at another time.
This is an administrative reform, we would not be inviting Germans from the forests, we would be inviting the Jews from the west to take up positions in our government, positions that nobles lost for him to be there, please read the end of the last opinion it serves here again .

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Mon 18 Apr 2022 18:58:08 No.5234742 Report

Quoted By: >>5234754 >>5234757

>>5234432
We’re already operating at a financial loss as it comes to the Eastern Magistrate, and this isn’t meant to be permanent to keep the nobles there, it’s just meant to not completely btfo them and create political blowback on us.

As for the foreign advisors, we really don’t know what the foreign situation looks like, for all we know the forest Germans and well educated Jew could very well be from the same confederacy of tribes.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:rQ2RGLZb Mon 18 Apr 2022 19:10:13 No.5234754 Report

Quoted By: >>5234888

>>5234742
I'd like to add that as far as the east goes, doing such a thing would completely blow any chance of diplomatically bringing them back into the fold. I'm firmly against the idea, we should do everything we can to bring as many of them back to the empire without wasting manpower fighting one another.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:S1Wf1zxT Mon 18 Apr 2022 19:15:39 No.5234757 Report

Quoted By: >>5234782

>>5234742
Speaking of the foreign situation - QM, is the map we've seen the entirety of the known world or are there known far-off lands like a not-China?

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Mon 18 Apr 2022 19:49:46 No.5234776 Report

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You sit pondering, slowly taping the quill in your hand, droplets of ink now staining the edge of the parchment you’ve been writing upon, as means of composing your thoughts and gathering them in a systemic way.

As you watch the ink slowly flowing, a series of questions you had written down and answered, again, a means of organizing the numerous ideas restlessly bouncing in your head. Your eyes go wide, and a small smile is on your face.

“Tell me, [i:lit]kanikleiou[/i:lit] (keeper of the imperial inkstand). Are you aware that to become a priest you have to pass a series of tests ?”

“More or less, your majesty.”

“You would be question about your knowledge in the holy text, your ability orate, your skill in writing and reading. All that so that you could become a simple priest.” You say, your mind racing, at this point and time, you are merely thinking out loud.

“I see, your majesty.”

“Now, if such stringent examinations are required for such a humble posting. What must a prospecting governor do in order to receive their post ?”

“They must earn the approval of the emperor and the senate.”

“That’s all ?”

“Yes, your majesty. It is assumed that the esteemed men of the senate are virtuous and wise.”

[blue]More like they have deep enough pockets to buy the post.[/blue]

“Do they know how to farm ?”

“Excuse me, your majesty ?”

“I asked if the governors know how to farm ?”

“Perhaps some do, your majesty.”

“So if there is a loss of crop, due to the spread of fungus, would these governors listen to the local farmers ? Would they even bother to go to the affected fields ? Would they stop the spread of it to other fields ? Would they even know how, other than simply burning them ?”

The man remains silent, seemingly working over the words that you had spoken, before he finally says. “I believe that most would simply do what their advisors say, or they themselves think is right, whether or not it is an action tempered by knowledge.”

“I want for you to gather farmers, fishermen, craftsmen, previous governors whose records show great rise in prosperity in their owned territories. I shall prepare a line of quarries for you, have those persons questioned about their knowledge, and any other nuggets of wisdom they are willing to share.”

“As you command, your majesty. This task shall be done as swiftly as possible.” The man says with a bow before departing.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Mon 18 Apr 2022 19:50:48 No.5234778 Report

Quoted By: >>5234779 >>5234888

>>5234776

You simply nod absentmindedly, your entire self, consumed by the words currently being laid upon the piece of parchment. For now, it is a basic line of questioning that you yourself could answer, that any man or woman within your village could answer. Simple questions, easy even, but crucial, and from what you’ve seen in the sheer distance in wealth between the nobility of the empire compared to the average man, you doubt that most of them could answer something so easy. At the end of your scribblings, which you’ve redone, reworded, and then reworded again, you think you have something great here, something capable of changing the course of the Empire. Though at the tail end of your work, you feel a little embarrassed, as you included questions about theology and philosophy, that shouldn’t be an issue, should it ?

Still, with the great endeavour underway, you suddenly feel hungry, only now that you realize just how great your concentration is. Candles are light in your office, the Sun had long since went for its rest and the moon hangs high. It seems that you had not even noticed the servants that had ensured that your work went on uninterrupted. This fact, does startle you a bit, the paranoia in your blood flares. [blue]if I can be so consumed to lose track of my surroundings, an assassin could easily end my life. I need to find a remedy for this, maybe a hound ? Its growls and barks could always warn me, and it would be far loyal than any man.[/blue]

As this line of reasoning continues, you realize another great task that you must solve. Courtly intrigues. You are not strong enough to terrify with your mere presence, nor are you a skilled diplomat able to calm even the most riled of nerves. It is something that had to be one away with, but in your way, whatever that way may be.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Mon 18 Apr 2022 19:51:49 No.5234779 Report

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>>5234778

>You had these thoughts for a while. Asceticism. You are not used to these luxuries, and you fear the possibility of them turning you into a slothful emperor as some had in the past. Less and cheaper food, not so many servants, no more incense burning day and night. These candles ? it could be a simple and cheaper oil lamp instead. And most importantly, these methods mean – less courtiers. Fewer ambitious men and women, the less of a threat they are for you. Though, that means that they could simply continue their schemes away from the court, away from your gaze and your guards.

>The empire is soaked deep in ceremony and tradition. You could kick it up a notch, make more pointless titles, let entertainment run, make yourself the eye of the storm, where the smallest of morsels you give away would be fought over ferociously by your courtiers. If their minds are filled with petty rivalries, they will have no time to plan anything else. Hopefully. At least as long you can maintain the façade.

>You will follow your late father’s advice. The palace will run red with blood. Fear shall keep your courtiers in line. Simple, effective, and it will cost you nothing. Inspire such fear, that your courtiers will start believing that you can read their minds, that you can tell if they are rebellious. The fear in their own minds shall be greater than the threat you could pose. It is all about presentation, after all.

>(Write in)

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Mon 18 Apr 2022 19:54:01 No.5234782 Report

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>>5234757

>Speaking of the foreign situation - QM, is the map we've seen the entirety of the known world or are there known far-off lands like a not-China?

There are other lands that you are aware of. It is far enough away to not matter, at least for now.

To your southwest is a massive continent, most of it is covered in jungles and deserts. Inhabited by savages, as far as you are concerned. Most spices also come from those distant lands.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:yoOq/ggE Mon 18 Apr 2022 20:37:48 No.5234812 Report

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>>5234779
>>You had these thoughts for a while. Asceticism. You are not used to these luxuries, and you fear the possibility of them turning you into a slothful emperor as some had in the past. Less and cheaper food, not so many servants, no more incense burning day and night. These candles ? it could be a simple and cheaper oil lamp instead. And most importantly, these methods mean – less courtiers. Fewer ambitious men and women, the less of a threat they are for you. Though, that means that they could simply continue their schemes away from the court, away from your gaze and your guards.

We need cash. This will give us some inmediate cash, cash that can be put to use.
It also fits with our boy, and ensures he doesn't just cut his roots. More importantly we can use this for look, like a better man. A modest emperor, something that both church and people can like. They will like it, because we don't look like the usual noble spending and spending and spending.
Also do take a dog, it can be of use. It also a companion of sort, a loyal animal for a man.
We will rebuild our cloak and daggers, but it will take time and money. They can't be remade in a day. Though at least there should be some structures left for their training by their dead predecessors.

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Mon 18 Apr 2022 20:42:57 No.5234819 Report

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>>5234779

>You had these thoughts for a while. Asceticism. You are not used to these luxuries, and you fear the possibility of them turning you into a slothful emperor as some had in the past. Less and cheaper food, not so many servants, no more incense burning day and night. These candles ? it could be a simple and cheaper oil lamp instead. And most importantly, these methods mean – less courtiers. Fewer ambitious men and women, the less of a threat they are for you. Though, that means that they could simply continue their schemes away from the court, away from your gaze and your guards.

>The recreation of imperial spies and assassins, our father's mistakes must be rectified before we come to the same end. Our enemies may stay away but our new and loyal spies and assassins will always keep them in the light.

The second option doesn't make sense, we're a reforming bastard, and by definition traditions don't change much. They would be more of a delay than an advantage.

The third and worst option, our paranoia cannot grow much or we will be consumed and nothing good will be done. We must follow our own example of destroying only what is necessary.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:vSe1EZ2q Mon 18 Apr 2022 20:49:59 No.5234827 Report

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Anonymous ID:yoOq/ggE Mon 18 Apr 2022 20:52:39 No.5234832 Report

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In regard to the hound/dog to take if everyone is ok with such an idea, since our family symbol is a wolf we could go for a wolf dog cub or a wolf cub. For symblism, and also because it s cool. Though an hound is fine as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:pajOg9qg Mon 18 Apr 2022 21:03:21 No.5234845 Report

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Anonymous ID:p2k37YnC Mon 18 Apr 2022 21:22:23 No.5234860 Report

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Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Mon 18 Apr 2022 21:43:40 No.5234888 Report

Quoted By: >>5234916 >>5235037

>>5234778

>The empire is soaked deep in ceremony and tradition. You could kick it up a notch, make more pointless titles, let entertainment run, make yourself the eye of the storm, where the smallest of morsels you give away would be fought over ferociously by your courtiers. If their minds are filled with petty rivalries, they will have no time to plan anything else. Hopefully. At least as long you can maintain the façade.
>You will follow your late father’s advice. The palace will run red with blood. Fear shall keep your courtiers in line. Simple, effective, and it will cost you nothing. Inspire such fear, that your courtiers will start believing that you can read their minds, that you can tell if they are rebellious. The fear in their own minds shall be greater than the threat you could pose. It is all about presentation, after all.
Carrots and stick anons. I’d rather have our enemies close than plotting afar.

>>5234754
You can’t bring them back into the fold diplomatically without serious concessions from the Emperor, which will make us look weak and invite others to take advantage of said perceived weakness.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Mon 18 Apr 2022 21:45:35 No.5234891 Report

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>>5234860
I agree, appearances are important, and showcasing our wealth just as important as the wealth itself.

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Mon 18 Apr 2022 21:59:15 No.5234916 Report

Quoted By: >>5235814

>>5234860
Do you know how living a simple life is still keeping the loyalty of the nobles? A network of spies and assassins loyal to the Imperial house. My option gives us the chance to balance the accounts and recover one of the most important tools that was stolen from us by the madness of the previous emperor. And the idea of endlessly creating new titles in the hope that it works every time is an even worse idea, I prefer a more definitive solution.

>>5234888
"Carrots and stick", unless it's time to reform the administration right?
Pushing the problem forward until it fails and becomes a new crisis. And succumbing to paranoia what a wonderful plan isn't it?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Mk8wxxdk Mon 18 Apr 2022 22:26:41 No.5234936 Report

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>>5234779
>>The empire is soaked deep in ceremony and tradition. You could kick it up a notch, make more pointless titles, let entertainment run, make yourself the eye of the storm, where the smallest of morsels you give away would be fought over ferociously by your courtiers. If their minds are filled with petty rivalries, they will have no time to plan anything else. Hopefully. At least as long you can maintain the façade.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:yoOq/ggE Mon 18 Apr 2022 23:27:47 No.5234997 Report

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>>5234860
We are still an emperor anyway. Peasants don't live in a giant palace surrounded by guards. They don't command everyone. The differences are simply too many really.
This changes are small and allow us to get more money, and cut on things that we don't need.
Plus it shows we aren't drinking or throwing feasts like other nobles all day. Or having an incredible large court for no reason and need, that takes away money that could be used by us. A monarch that can make sacrifices in this times would be appreciated, probably respected by the people. No doubt even the military.
Prestige right now ?
At the moment we need other things, such as money for all the things we need to do for ensure the empire can stand again and also because we need them, since we don't have much in our treasury. Stupid spending is exactly what we don't need now. Or going like our father with paranoia and madness. Our character has an education connected to learning and religion, and a peasant background why not using that instead of throwing it away like is trash ? Let's become an example and a good morale figure. This would also help us in gaining a better standing with the religion.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:WWRiS1A5 Tue 19 Apr 2022 00:12:55 No.5235034 Report

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>>5234779
>You had these thoughts for a while. Asceticism. You are not used to these luxuries, and you fear the possibility of them turning you into a slothful emperor as some had in the past. Less and cheaper food, not so many servants, no more incense burning day and night. These candles ? it could be a simple and cheaper oil lamp instead. And most importantly, these methods mean – less courtiers. Fewer ambitious men and women, the less of a threat they are for you. Though, that means that they could simply continue their schemes away from the court, away from your gaze and your guards.
We must be careful to not let this go too overboard, it will be useful to curb the excess of the imperial court but not if we enrage the nobility and make them think us a simpleton. A level befitting a minor lord should be good, enough to keep some of the luxury befitting our position, and ensuring we do not live so ludicrously better than any other man. Moderation in all respects, even in simplicity.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:rQ2RGLZb Tue 19 Apr 2022 00:14:06 No.5235035 Report

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Anonymous ID:rQ2RGLZb Tue 19 Apr 2022 00:15:42 No.5235036 Report

Quoted By: >>5235556

>>5234860
Agreed, these fools trying to isekai this shit will wind up having us killed. Stop trying to put modern morals into it.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:rQ2RGLZb Tue 19 Apr 2022 00:19:24 No.5235037 Report

Quoted By: >>5235814

>>5234888
>You can’t bring them back into the fold diplomatically without serious concessions

You don't know that. The attempt must be made, if we can preserve the our own and their manpoer we must.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:rQ2RGLZb Tue 19 Apr 2022 00:21:52 No.5235043 Report

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Just going to say, if you make the emperor look like a poor while we are actually poor we are going to invite people to challenge us. We need to keep appearances and keep nobles busy

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:S1Wf1zxT Tue 19 Apr 2022 01:18:08 No.5235093 Report

Quoted By: >>5235228 >>5235483

>>5234779
>The empire is soaked deep in ceremony and tradition. You could kick it up a notch, make more pointless titles, let entertainment run, make yourself the eye of the storm, where the smallest of morsels you give away would be fought over ferociously by your courtiers. If their minds are filled with petty rivalries, they will have no time to plan anything else. Hopefully. At least as long you can maintain the façade.
There's strong arguments for both sides. However, right now we have low legitimacy and few expectations, so we have to lean in to the things an emperor is expected to do in order to make up what essentially amounts to a deficit of Emperor-ness, which we're probably only going to be adding to later. While being the Peasant Emperor is all very well and good, there are shoes we must fill even if it's a bitter pill to swallow.
Still, in this kind of environment, as well as people being distracted by plotting against each other and fighting over our favour in a court of nobles we're sure to antagonise later, it's also a lot easier to make people disappear and get up to cloak and dagger schemes of our own. And speaking of that, reforming the Imperial spies is also a priority.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:rQ2RGLZb Tue 19 Apr 2022 03:20:07 No.5235228 Report

Quoted By: >>5235246

>>5235093
>anons think they can autist min max their way through things with modern sensibilities

I hope they can see reason

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UBPt+69e Tue 19 Apr 2022 03:31:14 No.5235245 Report

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Anonymous ID:S1Wf1zxT Tue 19 Apr 2022 03:32:10 No.5235246 Report

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>>5235228
I'm not sure what you mean by that, I assume that's meant to be a statement that my logic is faulty.
You are right in that modern sensibilities will have to go, but anons will doubtless still slip into this way of thinking. Still, there's plenty of things I'm sure we will get up to later that will antagonise people that don't require acting like we were sent by truck-kun (we are a former commoner after all). This is more a concession to the "way things are supposed to be done" camp to soften political opposition later, one of many we will have to do and to build upon a first impression that we aren't about to discard everything traditional about the office. We may choose to change tack at a later date, or if I get an idea of the sort of bill this entails in the grand scheme of things.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UBr4B5/G Tue 19 Apr 2022 03:32:57 No.5235247 Report

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Anonymous ID:UBPt+69e Tue 19 Apr 2022 03:37:24 No.5235251 Report

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This has nothing to do with modern sensibilities and whatnot btw.
I prefer the first option simply cause that seems like what Manuel would be likely to do. Feels more in character to me.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:5C3NZcKs Tue 19 Apr 2022 07:05:12 No.5235417 Report

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Anonymous ID:NKMWPfg9 Tue 19 Apr 2022 10:04:28 No.5235481 Report

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Anonymous ID:S1Wf1zxT Tue 19 Apr 2022 10:07:55 No.5235483 Report

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>>5235093
Actually, screw it. While the points still stand, austerity is the more in-character and practical choice right now. May as well go all the way on the peasant emperor shtick, so
>You had these thoughts for a while. Asceticism.
Rebuilding the spy network remains a priority, though.

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Tue 19 Apr 2022 12:19:53 No.5235556 Report

Quoted By: >>5235601 >>5235759

>>5235036

"Stop trying to put modern morals into it."

>Marcus Aurelius one of the five good emperors would like to discuss this notion.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:HtfCCUXN Tue 19 Apr 2022 13:15:34 No.5235601 Report

Quoted By: >>5235614 >>5235619 >>5235640

>>5235556
Philosophy is useless bullshit, as are philosophers.

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Tue 19 Apr 2022 13:38:15 No.5235614 Report

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>>5235601

>Don't you know who he was? My God in heaven, you might be the most brainless incestuous beast that has ever cursed the forums on this site.

A study of your life could be used as propaganda for abortion, in addition to the justification for printing inedible signs on cigarette packets. I genuinely think your mother should be sued for lowering the national IQ index for failing to abort the mistake you are.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:pajOg9qg Tue 19 Apr 2022 13:48:15 No.5235619 Report

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>>5235601
Weak bait mate.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:WWRiS1A5 Tue 19 Apr 2022 14:19:24 No.5235640 Report

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>>5235601
Ignorance isn't something to be proud of, mate.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:p2k37YnC Tue 19 Apr 2022 16:55:28 No.5235759 Report

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>>5235556
Modern morals != morality of an emperor from medieval or antiquity era

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Tue 19 Apr 2022 18:15:21 No.5235814 Report

Quoted By: >>5235942 >>5236008

>>5234916
Anon, I’m realistic about out chances of survival, let alone our chances to revive the Empire. If you don’t give the couriers something to focus on, and nothing to deter them, then your the one putting a bandaid over a crippling wound, not I.

>>5235037
Anon, if we make serious concessions to the Eastern Magistrates it will be taken for weakness. We’ll be dealing with opportunistic fucks that will be subverting the Emperor’s authority because they feel like they can get away with it, and we still can’t trust the Eastern Magistrate’s not to rebel again because there were no consequences for their first rebellion. The only way to resolve this without a multitude of serious problems is to kill the Magistrates and retake control of the lands with brute force.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:HorHM0am Tue 19 Apr 2022 20:21:27 No.5235921 Report

Quoted By: >>5235978 >>5257592

This is basically the Sun King option and he lived for 76 years!
Besides the other Anons are right. We avoided being wasteful but not too humble in previous ceremonies because we are an emperor first not a holy man. We are going to end up undercutting the places of the Nobility by appointing the ACTUALLY COMPETENT people to the IMPORTANT jobs THEREFORE it would do well to distract them and keep them blissfully appeased with the useless positions that won't compromise our empires runnings.
>The empire is soaked deep in ceremony and tradition. You could kick it up a notch, make more pointless titles, let entertainment run, make yourself the eye of the storm, where the smallest of morsels you give away would be fought over ferociously by your courtiers. If their minds are filled with petty rivalries, they will have no time to plan anything else. Hopefully. At least as long you can maintain the façade.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:AutfIMoU Tue 19 Apr 2022 20:39:53 No.5235942 Report

Quoted By: >>5235967

>>5235814
How about if we do the bare minimum of diplomacy by just sending a letter to one magnate at a time. We can send in imformants to look over the situation and offer help to one of the weaker magnate in exchange of loyalty, if it works we could get a foothold in the area.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Tue 19 Apr 2022 21:08:29 No.5235967 Report

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>>5235942
I’d be more willing to do that, but it will have to be targeted. It may end up backfiring on us as well, just fair warning.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:p2k37YnC Tue 19 Apr 2022 21:19:40 No.5235978 Report

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>>5235921
This.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Tue 19 Apr 2022 21:40:59 No.5235999 Report

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Asceticism 10

"Sun king" 5

Kill 'em all 1

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Tue 19 Apr 2022 21:47:42 No.5236008 Report

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>>5235814

I'm not going to assume you've read my entire vote but, I didn't tell us to make a helpless emperor.

I suggested that we should restore the imperial spies and assassins, remember we just wiped out half an enemy faction, in our first month of reign.

The threat of any plan from them being discovered and them being killed will be our shield, seriously dude this eighteen years old brat, managed to take the throne, discover the old emperor's assassins and kill them all in tribute to his death, that's not the picture of a weak leader.

By the way, whoever suggested ending the rebellion diplomatically doesn't have my vote, they have to die and we have to be there symbolically leading the army.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Tue 19 Apr 2022 21:53:53 No.5236017 Report

Quoted By: >>5236018

You were raised a peasant’s son, no matter how your noble bloodline would say otherwise. All this luxury, all this opulence, all this prosperity. It is all decadence. Plain and simple. You were told not desire for such a sinful life within the church, and avoid you shall. You shall cut spending for the court. Not only will it be good for your soul, it will also be good for your pouch.

The candles burning right now, they could buy a week’s worth of food, good food, to sustain and keep you healthy. Yes, that is what shall you do. As for the courtiers ? They are merely leeches, draining the lifeblood of the empire as it is sick and wounded. Those truly loyal, those truly devote and dedicated to the empire shall no doubt remain. It is only with those pure souls inhabiting the court of a pure emperor, will you be able to bring your domain from the precipice of annihilation.

Most importantly, unlike the great examination that you had in mind, this action can be carried out immediately. For tonight, allow them to celebrate your coronation, for tomorrow, they shall sustain themselves on rye bread like you had for most of your time.

With those thoughts in your mind, you rise wearily from your desk an you make your way towards your bed chamber. No matter how much you may preach asceticism, you have to admit, that a mat stuffed with hay does not compare to the cloth, silk, and feathers that are currently engulfing you.
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Despite the time you spent deep into the night in work, you still awaken as sunshine pours into your room. Despite the fact that you still feel slightly sleepy, your body is sued to waking at such an early hour. You may have been of a bookish disposition, but you still had to till the fields early in the morn’.

You are about to start dressing yourself, but looking at the sheer pile of clothes in front of you, each and every with its own intricate bunch of knots, it would probably take you all day to figure out where goes where. So, with great reluctance, you ring the bell in your room. And as if awaiting for your signal, servants rush in to swiftly dress you. There is a pang of guilt in your heart as you watch them work, many of them will lose their work after you issue today’s decree. But you are not God, nor are you in position to do great deeds of charity, as such, these people will have to fend for themselves. You can only hope that with the experience they had no doubt earned here, they will quickly find work somewhere else.

“You look wonderful this fine day, your majesty.” Gallienus’s honeyed words greet you as the final brooch is pinned on your fine dress, as you look at it, with belated horror do you realize, the entire thing is just one single, massive piece of emerald carved into a shape of a wolf.

“Greetings to you to, eunuch.” You half-mindedly respond. “Assemble the court, I have something to announce.”

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NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Tue 19 Apr 2022 21:55:01 No.5236018 Report

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>>5236017

“So early in the morn’ ? Would you not like to have breakfast first, your majesty ? A pig had just been slaughtered for your enjoyment.” Responds Gallienus.

“No, it is a matter of great import.” Only know do you realize what Gallienus had tried to imply, there was a banquet yesterday, most of the courtiers are probably hungover. “I do not care how rough you have to be. Rouse the courtiers and prepare them for court, this matter shall not be put away for even a moment further.”

“As you command, your majesty.” With a deep bow, the eunuch quickly departs the room to carry out your decree.

You yourself begin to slowly meander towards the throne room, taking slow and steady steps, admiring the rising Sun as her light continuously brightens up this chilly winter. For a moment you wonder how Avienus is doing, the man had been spirited away by a dour priest assigned by his all holiness, to ensure that he arrives at the monastery as intended, hopefully he will see the error of his sinful ways and repent. You will also have to find a replacement for him, but that will be done in the near future.

Thinking of which, you should ensure that his all holiness attends the court today, his presence should give more credence to your claims of piety. No indulgent wastrel would dare to question your words if the holiest man in the world supports your claims.

“Your majesty.” The words finally snap you out of your ponderous thoughts.

“[i:lit]Domestikos[/i:lit] (domestic, commander).” You respond to the greeting. “Just the man I wanted to see. Go to the cathedral and invite his all holiness, I wish for his presence, immediately.”

“As you command, your majesty.” Bowing, he responds.

You nod towards him, as the man departs. With the momentary distraction now gone, you continue onwards. You can already imagine the storm your announcement will cause. Outraged courtiers, nobles sneering to such an extent that they will fall over themselves in contempt, surprised and perhaps devastated faces of the eunuchs and the menials. You do, however, wonder about the guards, what they will think ? Knowing that they will get no more bribes, no more extravagant foods. A slightly unnerving thought, but they had proven themselves loyal to you so far.

Finally, you reach your goal. The throne room is still asleep, no incense burns, no lamps are lit, the guard are at half strength and other than a few servants here and there, the place looks desoletly empty, surrounded by reaches, yet alone. Is the only thing you can think, as the men snap to attention, as you gaze upon the throne.

Sitting upon it, you wait, pondering about your examination plan, whether or not you should announce it at the same time as your plans for the palace. No, it is far too early. The idea may well be change long before you reach its final form.

“Your majesty.” Dammit, you really shouldn’t return from your thoughts only when people call for you.

“What is it ?”

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NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Tue 19 Apr 2022 21:56:12 No.5236019 Report

Quoted By: >>5236021

>>5236018

“The courtiers have been roused as you commanded.” Responds Gallienus.

“Excellent, inform them that we shall start when his all holiness arrives at my request.”

“As you wish, your majesty.” Retreating, his body bent, he responds.

You sit, waiting for a good twenty minutes, until finally the armoured figure of Armentarius and the white robes of Anatolius come in your sight. With them present, the meeting can finally begin.

A quick exchange of greetings later, the courtiers begin piling into the room, most have eyebags, they look tired and dishevelled, some, you notice, are swaying on their feet. You cannot begin to imagine just how much drink had been consumed to make men like these groggy so late after. Hiding the disgust you feel, you get straight to the point.

“Hear our words !” Your voice loudly echoes.

”We hear !” The gathered people respond in a rather disorganized manner. You see some wincing at the loud noise.

“It has come to our attention, that while our glorious empire braves great dangers, funds essential for its continued prosperity are being squandered !”

The gathered crowd looks upon you in confusion and some wear expressions of distress, uncertain about what you exactly mean by “squandering” and if they shall be punished for it.

“As such, we, after much contemplation, had come to a single decision. The court, from this day hence, shall no longer indulge in endless luxury. The lavishness, which merely throws away coin for a single meal for one that could feed a hundred shall no longer be accepted. The waste I had seen displayed before, too shall be ridden of.” You pointedly call out, watching one of the courtiers, a wealthy noble no doubt, wipe away some sweat with a silken handkerchief, worth more than some houses in which your people live.

“No more shall we tolerate decadence clear before our eyes. No more shall we turn away from the suffering of our people while we live in plenty.” You are out of breath. Half-way through your speech, great rage had built up within you, the words spoken now were those truly from you heart. You can sympathize somewhat with your madman of a father, perhaps some blood should have been shed.

“Hear our words !” You shout out.

It takes a moment for anyone to respond. The response of “We hear !” Is half-hearted, barely spoken, and even then, said primarily out of instinct.

“[i:lit]parakoimomenos[/i:lit] (one who sleeps nearby) Gallienus. I charge you to rid the court of excess. Those that are not needed, or those whose tasks could be easily done by others, are to be let go.”

The somewhat shocked man falls to his knees and kowtows, receiving your order. “And as to showcase my dedication to these changes.” You say, trying to maintain the same zeal in your voice. “I shall donate this.” You take off the emerald wolf brooch. “Your all holiness, please, use the wealth provided by this to feed the destitute and the starving.”

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NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Tue 19 Apr 2022 21:57:13 No.5236021 Report

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>>5236019

“Thank you, your majesty. An orphanage shall be fed for a year thanks to your generosity.” He says whilst bowing.

“The court is dismissed.” You finally call out, rising from you seat.

“[i:lit]Domestikos[/i:lit] (domestic, commander) Armentarius, come with me.” You quickly say afterwards.

Marching into a side room, you state. “The navy is in a dire need of reforms and rebuilding. I am not a man of a martial disposition and [i:lit]Megas doux[/i:lit] (Megaduke) Mundus is gone. Do you have any ideas ?”

“I could get people from the docks for you to inquire with, your majesty.”

“But would they not fear to speak the truth ?”

“None would dare to lie, your majesty.”

>”Very well, invite those of knowledge to the palace.”

>”No, I shall visit the docks myself, in secret, prepare those guards that can move discreetly.”

>”No, I shall go there myself, prepare the guard, the people shall meet their emperor.”

>Perhaps you have some other idea about naval reforms ? (Write in)

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Anonymous ID:pajOg9qg Tue 19 Apr 2022 22:06:48 No.5236029 Report

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>>5236021
>>”No, I shall go there myself, prepare the guard, the people shall meet their emperor.”
The people need to see their ruler.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Mk8wxxdk Tue 19 Apr 2022 22:18:29 No.5236043 Report

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>>5236021
>>”Very well, invite those of knowledge to the palace.”

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Tue 19 Apr 2022 22:21:55 No.5236046 Report

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>>5236021

>”No, I shall go there myself, prepare the guard, the people shall meet their emperor.”

>Perhaps you have some other idea about naval reforms ?
>Create a system of Privateers with the pirates that plague our coasts, transforming one of our problems into solutions. In times of peace they will not be required to serve properly in the navy, but in times of war they will serve as auxiliaries to our main fleet.

For those who don't know what Privateers are, here's the basics:

https://youtu.be/583XfL94_gY

Just imagine Constantinople in place of tortuga.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:HorHM0am Tue 19 Apr 2022 22:33:02 No.5236054 Report

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>”No, I shall go there myself, prepare the guard, the people shall meet their emperor.”
If we are playing the down to earth saint might as well get everything we can out of it

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:AutfIMoU Tue 19 Apr 2022 22:55:01 No.5236077 Report

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>>5236021
>>”No, I shall go there myself, prepare the guard, the people shall meet their emperor.”
Being a man of the people requires us to interact with the people. We should also plan ahead public acts of charity later on.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oKjsGJvn Wed 20 Apr 2022 00:26:35 No.5236159 Report

Quoted By: >>5236575

>>5236021
>>”Very well, invite those of knowledge to the palace.”

Hurr durr autist emperor

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:WWRiS1A5 Wed 20 Apr 2022 00:29:33 No.5236163 Report

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>>5236021
>”No, I shall go there myself, prepare the guard, the people shall meet their emperor.”

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:4sK3rWxc Wed 20 Apr 2022 07:17:14 No.5236569 Report

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>>5236021
>”No, I shall go there myself, prepare the guard, the people shall meet their emperor.”

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:6T/ZNLDn Wed 20 Apr 2022 07:28:05 No.5236575 Report

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>>5236159
Sir, I think you are projecting.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:1uGFN88D Wed 20 Apr 2022 13:39:49 No.5236738 Report

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>>5236021
>”No, I shall go there myself, prepare the guard, the people shall meet their emperor.”
Perhaps some work could be done for create lighter ships based on the ones of raiders and fishers ? It's an idea but we need people that know about ships and seas on hand first, then we see the options. It's certain we need boats both for war and patrols, or one for war and one faster.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:a3V99pmO Wed 20 Apr 2022 13:53:43 No.5236741 Report

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>>5236021
>No, I shall go there myself, prepare the guard, the people shall meet their emperor.”

Also, even with our decree to end excess - we need to look to our own safety.

Increase the wages of our guard by 20%, and the wages of the Domestikos by 50%

Should buy some loyalty

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UBr4B5/G Wed 20 Apr 2022 19:00:38 No.5236992 Report

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>>5236021
>”No, I shall go there myself, prepare the guard, the people shall meet their emperor.”

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NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Wed 20 Apr 2022 20:16:59 No.5237043 Report

Quoted By: >>5237047

”No, I shall go there myself, prepare the guard, the people shall meet their emperor.” You remark. “I shall be no aloof tyrant or an uncaring master. My people will see me, and they shall know me.” You finish with great confidence.

“As you command, your majesty.” Armentarius bows at your words.
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This will be your first time outside of the palace district as emperor. You had lead your father’s funeral procession, but there were thousands of guards around you, the path unobscured and empty of any soul that could delay the final duty you had to carry out for your father.

You cannot help but feel giddy. To actually talk to the common man, a man you had been a bit more than a week ago. To listen to their worries, dreams, hopes, and desires. Though you preferred the company of books, you still conversed and got to know your neighbours, a necessity in a small village. And now finally, you will be able to converse freely.

Though you still have a worm and thick cloak of purple, as well as a bear fur coat, you’ve forgone most decorations other than those, and of course, your diadem. The annoying hat has to be worn by you as a symbol of authority. You have no doubt that if you try to take it off, the eunuchs, your guards, courtiers, and who would not be lazy, would drown you in complaints and grievances.

But your great desires are quickly dashed, as a carriage with four horses had been prepared for you. Its design clearly subdued due to your preference, but you do not see much difference between a carriage decorated by gold and diamonds, compared to the one in front of you, which is decorated in silver and rubies.

“Would it be possible for something even more “subdued” ?” You question.

“Your majesty, even this is barely acceptable for a person of your status.” Gallienus carefully tries to persuade you. “Of course, if you’d prefer for so, your majesty. I could have a palanquin prepared if you so desire. It is wonderfully decorated with gemstones, so as to keep it weight down.”

Sighing, you move your feet onto the carriage step, before going into it entirely. You are greeted by soft cushions and a small furnace providing heating. The furnace itself seems to be well isolated to ensure that no fire accidentally spreads. You will be kept warm in journey, if nothing else.

Moving away the curtains, you observe the well-kept gardens of the royal district, you do notice that a lot of the workers are huddled together around eunuchs, whom appear to be proclaiming something, but you cannot exactly make it out, but most of the men appear to be rather listless. Eventually, your gaze is disrupted as the carriage passes through the gates of the palace district.

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NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Wed 20 Apr 2022 20:18:00 No.5237047 Report

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>>5237043

The sounds, stifled by the glass windows and the wooden doors, clearly greet your ears. The noise of other carriages and carts impacting the road, people conversing, merchant shouts about “fair prices and high-quality goods”. You also see as a general hush comes over the people, as your bodyguards, sixty in total, all on horseback, clear way for you.

Suddenly, the shouts of “Long live the emperor !” begin to fill your surroundings. The hope of a new emperor, of a new reign. The people seem excited to see someone new upon the throne. You cannot help but smile. So much hope, so much anticipation to see whom you will become. You cannot disappoint these people, your people.

Eventually, your procession, in a rather swift manner, reaches the docks. The smell of salty air, fresh fish and their guts, the smell of spices and the scent of oil burning also greets your nostrils. Food stands for hungry sailors, busy merchants, or simple people on their way to purchase their daily necessities. Since the docks lead directly to the grand market plaza, it is full of people.

With the carriage coming to halt, the carriage driver hops down and opens the door for you. Half of your guards dismount and form a circle around. You do feel a bit awkward as the gazes of everyone gathered here fall upon.

“[i:lit]Domestikos[/i:lit] (domestic, commander) Armentarius, begin to search for these wizened men. I care not about their status, as long as they wisdom to offer. I shall walk the stalls.” With a smile you say.

“Right away, your majesty.” Bowing once again, the man departs with a couple of your guards.

You yourself being to wander the stalls, and you are shocked by the sheer number of merchants dressed in foreign clothing. Men from Rogarus, the western continent, lost to your empire centuries ago. Looking over the stalls, they offer exquisite spices, furs of beasts and tusks so long they reach from your shoulder to your wrist. As for the docks themselves, they are half-full, at least the area designated for merchant and citizen shipping. Most of these vessels appear strange to your eyes. They have an extra floor, they are greater in length than the vessels you’ve seen depicted in the drawings of the imperial fleet. Numerous holes to allow even more numerous oars to propel these ships onwards and mighty double sails able to carry the vessels at speeds undreamt of on land.

As for the section dedicated to military vessels, it is a depressing sight. It is almost entirely empty. The imperial vessels that are still moored appear rotten and unmaintained. Like small children compared to the mighty ships of mere merchants.

“Tell us, how are you able to build such great ships ?” You question one of the merchants/

In a slurred and horribly accented Thephian, he responds. “Your most regal majesty, these fine vessels are built in [i:lit]Grande Arsenale Tarrizo[/i:lit].” With a smile he responds.

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NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Wed 20 Apr 2022 20:19:02 No.5237049 Report

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>>5237047

Seeing your confusion, he simply gives a sheepish grin. “Ah, please excuse this humble one your majesty. I shall translate. Their made in the Grand Arsenal of Tarrizo. A ship like this can be built in but a single day there !” Exclaims with pride.

“A day ?” To make a galley alone it would take at least a week by skilled and experienced craftsmen provided with plentiful material and locale for production. “How is such a thing possible ?”

“Please excuse me, your most regal majesty, but I cannot reveal the secrets of my homeland. Just now, that in the wars of the Patera, our most ever stalwart republic produced a flotilla to rival all those on Rogarus combined in but three months !”

“I see, then does your republic take orders for ship production ?” You question, your gaze falling unto the merchant’s ships.

“Of course, your most regal majesty, for a fair price, we make ships for all that require.” You notice a glint in the man’s eye as you mention the idea of purchasing ships.

“That is good to know, but now our attention is drawn by other matters.” You say before leaving the man to his work.

“Your majesty, I have brought great men of wisdom, as you had decreed.” Armenius says as a small grouping of men kowtow on the filthy ground.

“Rise our good fellows, rise.” You say holding off awkwardness from the still strange situation, you hope that in time, you shall become numb to it. “For now, we have questions for you concerning maritime matters. Whom amongst you is the most skilled in ship making.”

Risen from the ground, the rather strong looking man continues to stare at the dirty floor. “That would be I, your majesty.”

“Tell us, how long would it take to build the imperial fleet back to strength before the unfortunate disaster.”

“To rebuild it all, your majesty ?” The man seems startled. “Years, decades even. Most facilities for ship building fell into disrepair as the Usu-“ The man silences himself.

“Continue.” You call out.

“The previous emperor did not fund the facilities necessary for ship construction. We would have to refurbish them, import trees from deeper inland. We would need to find workers, but most skilled craftsmen when it comes to ship building went to lands abroad. To find work there.” Fearing your wrath, the man once more falls to the floor.

“Rise, you’ve done nothing wrong by simply telling us the truth.” You feel pity for the person.

“I heard of pirates, ransacking our shores. Do any of you know about them ?”

An uneasy silence descends upon the crowd.

“As we said before, speak freely, we wish to know if there are anyways to combat them even without a powerful navy.”

Eventually, one person works up the courage to stand out of the group, that or he is pushed out, judging by him trying to balance himself, it is most likely the latter.

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NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Wed 20 Apr 2022 20:20:03 No.5237052 Report

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>>5237049

“Y- Your majesty, I, I heard that the Erugians of the north allow pirates to rest in their ports as they raid the Rogarus’ kingdoms and republics. Because of so, not only are their merchants and lands safe, but the pirates fill their treasuries with their booty.”

The man is quivering on the floor, and you can tell why. Armentarius appears to be in a fit of rage, his hand on the handle of his sword. “You dare, wretch !?” His angry voice bellows. “To stain the glory and honour of our empire ? To cause all to hate us like those reavers masquerading as noble lords Erugians ?!”

Even you are scared by the man’s rage. It is only now do you realize that he could probably cut you down with ease, if he wanted to.

“Calm yourself Armentarius. I shall have no innocent blood spilt this day.” With s shaky voice at the start, transitioning into a more self-assured voice, you say.

“As you command, your majesty.” He responds, an edge of fury in his voice.

“As for sailors.” You try to quickly change the topic, the man that had been kowtowing on the floor melting back into the crowd. “Do we have any ? If not, how do we get some ?”

An experienced looking man, dressed in bright cloths and furs, a successful merchant no doubt, steps forward. “There are few options, your majesty. If I may speak of my experience.”

“You may.”

“Thank you, your majesty. The first would be to simply gather men from the towns, cities and countryside. It would take much training and time for them to become true sailors, but with your authority I have no doubt that it would be a trifling matter.

Then, of course there are mercenaries, just like there are on land. Experienced and capable, but expensive I’ve come to realize.

Finally, there are the condemned, captured pirates, criminals, slaves, and so. You could employ them. It costs nothing, but their enthusiasm can be lacking.”

“We thank you for your council, wiseman.” You state. “With your great experience, I assume you have the same to say about potential ship captains ?”

“Yes, your majesty.” The man bows and returns back to the crowd, pride clear on his face, as you dismiss him with a nod.

Decisions, decisions.

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NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Wed 20 Apr 2022 20:21:05 No.5237054 Report

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>>5237052

How shall you solve the issue of the lack of proper warships ?

>The Tarrizans will make ships quickly and of high-quality, probably better than what you can hope to achieve by yourself, but it will be costly, very costly.

>As the strongman stated previously, you could rebuild the necessary facilities and hire the necessary workers to make ships, not as expensive, but it will take time, a lot of time, and the quality is not guaranteed, but it is an investment. In time, you will make great fleets of fine ships without outside influence.

>The merchant gave you an idea, you could just press into service their ships. Promising compensation in due time.

As for the crews:

>Mercenaries, whilst expensive, are experienced and skilled, the best men you could probably get.

>It will further drain the countryside, but trade is too important to simply allow for it to be cut off. Issue a decree and conscript men into the navy.

>The dregs. They only cause issues, and no one will miss them. An easy solution, a quick solution. Hopefully the taskmasters can keep them inline.

>There is one option the merchant did not mention, you could always force the crews of your merchants to fight in your warships.

And the officers:

>You can never go wrong with mercenaries. They shall demand a premium, but the service that they will deliver will be with no end.

>There are people skilled in the arts of the seas, no doubt. You just have to find those of minds fitting for the task. Though, they will need time to gain experience, most of your captains met their ends in a watery grave.

>Offers of clemency for those pirates that are willing to take them. Their quality will be…questionable, but they shall be experienced men who own their everything to you.

>Merchants, whilst not skilled in war, can be made to lead your ships. They posses the basic knowledge of ship command after all, how hard for them will it be to lead a naval battle ?

Finally, a possible solution for the pirate question presented itself.

>Offer them safe haven. They shall fill your coffers yet. This should clear your trade lanes too.

>Armentarius is right. Supporting pirates will see you alienate all civilized nations of the world. It too, shall sully the empire’s honour.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:M1QXZ5dz Wed 20 Apr 2022 20:50:04 No.5237091 Report

Quoted By: >>5237118

>>5237054
Could we perhaps do a combination?

Half and half mercs and dregs? Order a handful of ships to be built and also invest in shipbuilding?

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Wed 20 Apr 2022 20:59:40 No.5237106 Report

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>>5237054

>As the strongman stated previously, you could rebuild the necessary facilities and hire the necessary workers to make ships, not as expensive, but it will take time, a lot of time, and the quality is not guaranteed, but it is an investment. In time, you will make great fleets of fine ships without outside influence.

>It will further drain the countryside, but trade is too important to simply allow for it to be cut off. Issue a decree and conscript men into the navy.

>Merchants, whilst not skilled in war, can be made to lead your ships. They posses the basic knowledge of ship command after all, how hard for them will it be to lead a naval battle ?

>Offer them safe haven. They shall fill your coffers yet. This should clear your trade lanes too.

Combination of these four will kill two birds with one stone.
The restoration of the boat industry plus the wages that our citizens will receive, will increase trade in our nation and tariffs.
Merchant commanders will follow the natural Darwinian process, they will become effective captains but with preservation instincts in addition to creating a possible middle class in the future as trade improves, and the whole system is going to be supported by the tributes of our allied pirates.
Practically speaking as long as they don't kill our citizens they won't be a problem.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:M1QXZ5dz Wed 20 Apr 2022 21:05:06 No.5237116 Report

Quoted By: >>5237134 >>5237156 >>5237159

>>5237054
>>As the strongman stated previously, you could rebuild the necessary facilities and hire the necessary workers to make ships, not as expensive, but it will take time, a lot of time, and the quality is not guaranteed, but it is an investment. In time, you will make great fleets of fine ships without outside influence.

Though perhaps ordering a few ships to jumpstart our navy would be a good idea.

>>Mercenaries, whilst expensive, are experienced and skilled, the best men you could probably get.
>>The dregs. They only cause issues, and no one will miss them. An easy solution, a quick solution. Hopefully the taskmasters can keep them inline.
Being able to blend the two, perhaps 1/3rd mercs 2/3rd dregs would give us a core of professionals without being overly reliant on those only loyal to coin.

>>You can never go wrong with mercenaries. They shall demand a premium, but the service that they will deliver will be with no end.
>>Offers of clemency for those pirates that are willing to take them. Their quality will be…questionable, but they shall be experienced men who own their everything to you.

I don't see why we couldn't offer amnesty and also hire some professionals. Some of those offered amnesty would also come with ships and crews I imagine.

>>Armentarius is right. Supporting pirates will see you alienate all civilized nations of the world. It too, shall sully the empire’s honour.

Those who won't accept amnesty must be destroyed.

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NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Wed 20 Apr 2022 21:06:25 No.5237118 Report

Quoted By: >>5237134 >>5237149

>>5237091

For the sake of autism, unfortunately no. I am already getting pretty detailed, and we go any further, I do not think we will get any progress.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:M1QXZ5dz Wed 20 Apr 2022 21:15:08 No.5237134 Report

Quoted By: >>5237156

>>5237118
Very well then disregard>>5237116

>>5237054
>>As the strongman stated previously, you could rebuild the necessary facilities and hire the necessary workers to make ships, not as expensive, but it will take time, a lot of time, and the quality is not guaranteed, but it is an investment. In time, you will make great fleets of fine ships without outside influence.

>>Mercenaries, whilst expensive, are experienced and skilled, the best men you could probably get.

We should save the countryside for the army, lets get some professionals on the boats since they will be hard to replace, may as well crew them with the best.

>>Offers of clemency for those pirates that are willing to take them. Their quality will be…questionable, but they shall be experienced men who own their everything to you.

Lets try and win over some experienced captains and reduce the number of pirates. I still say it is logical that this should bring in some ships and crews.

>>Armentarius is right. Supporting pirates will see you alienate all civilized nations of the world. It too, shall sully the empire’s honour.
Those who won't take amnesty must be destroyed.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:B8WkQ91q Wed 20 Apr 2022 21:15:29 No.5237136 Report

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Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Wed 20 Apr 2022 21:24:10 No.5237149 Report

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>>5237054
>>5237118 If we can't do combinations then
>As the strongman stated previously, you could rebuild the necessary facilities and hire the necessary workers to make ships, not as expensive, but it will take time, a lot of time, and the quality is not guaranteed, but it is an investment. In time, you will make great fleets of fine ships without outside influence.
Long term investment

>Mercenaries, whilst expensive, are experienced and skilled, the best men you could probably get.
Though only hire them when needed

>Offers of clemency for those pirates that are willing to take them. Their quality will be…questionable, but they shall be experienced men who own their everything to you.
Cuts down on piracy a bit and they should be very experienced though a bit unwieldy.

>Armentarius is right. Supporting pirates will see you alienate all civilized nations of the world. It too, shall sully the empire’s honour.
Privateering is a good tool but not actually going full pirate haven is not.

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Wed 20 Apr 2022 21:32:41 No.5237156 Report

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>>5237116
>>5237134
>>5237136
>>5237149

We don't have the money to improve the fleet, in fact we are already very indebted. The pirates' tribute will fund the entire navy reform, and frankly it's better to have a hated empire than a honored memory, not to mention we don't have allies around us anyway.

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Anonymous ID:h/waP/gv Wed 20 Apr 2022 21:33:38 No.5237159 Report

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>>5237116
>The Tarrizans will make ships quickly and of high-quality, probably better than what you can hope to achieve by yourself, but it will be costly, very costly.
This is pretty much this worlds Venice and they always had reliable ships. We do need them quickly to control the ocean, consider it an investment.
>The dregs. They only cause issues, and no one will miss them. An easy solution, a quick solution. Hopefully the taskmasters can keep them inline.
>Offers of clemency for those pirates that are willing to take them. Their quality will be…questionable, but they shall be experienced men who own their everything to you.
The Pirates.. I mean Privateers, should have experience in keeping these kinds of savages in line. Besides it should end up reducing crimes and other activities in our cities by making a use out of these 'problem children'. Conscripting good men can be reserved for our actual land army which will be tasked with the rebels.
>Offer them safe haven. They shall fill your coffers yet. This should clear your trade lanes too.
Just make sure to keep these dealings secretive.

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Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Wed 20 Apr 2022 21:50:23 No.5237178 Report

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>>5237054
Can we at least begin the investing in shipbuilding production while we buy Tarrizan ships in the short term? If so, I’d prefer to do both.

>Mercenaries, whilst expensive, are experienced and skilled, the best men you could probably get.
I don’t like this option, but the countryside does need rejuvenate before we start draining it again. Maybe we can find a better solution later on, something like a partially volunteer force.

>There are people skilled in the arts of the seas, no doubt. You just have to find those of minds fitting for the task. Though, they will need time to gain experience, most of your captains met their ends in a watery grave.
Not ideal short term, but I consider these growing pains inevitable.

>Armentarius is right. Supporting pirates will see you alienate all civilized nations of the world. It too, shall sully the empire’s honour.
I like the hutzpa, but we shouldn’t start making too many waves straight out of the gate.

>>5237156
While I agree that the money incentive is quite enticing, the bigger issue is the prestige involved here, an unseen, uncountable, but tangible part of power politics. The prestige loss from going into bed with pirates will effect a lot more than just our treasury, but it will create resentment in the higher echelons of our society, especially among our military and personal guard. I’d suggest waiting until we can ensure that we won’t get a knife in the back from this decision.

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Anonymous ID:M1QXZ5dz Wed 20 Apr 2022 21:51:05 No.5237179 Report

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>>5237156
If we couldn't afford it I don't imagine we'd have the option for the reform to begin with.

Being known as a haven for pirates will only further dash our reputation and prestige. Who will want to trade with us if we're harboring pirates? Hell we'd be embolden all sorts of criminals in our lands as well. Its a foolish notion.

We'll end up having our trade income dwindle away and likely have our own navy hunted down.

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Wed 20 Apr 2022 22:07:06 No.5237192 Report

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>>5237054
QM is this true?:

>>5237179
"If we couldn't afford it I don't imagine we'd have the option for the reform to begin with."

We are a dying empire that has the right to conquer the entire map, we are already hated and on top of that we sell ourselves silk and purple dye. No nation will stop buying these products from us. Seriously, do you think that paying for expensive mercenaries to fight pirates that we can pacify without a drop of blood shed other than making a profit is a good idea?

>>5237178
The nobles who won't be attacked by pirates without losing money for their merchant ships being attacked? Or the clerics who can be pacified on the grounds that we are protecting our people as well as giving these criminals a chance to redeem themselves by attacking our enemies?

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Wed 20 Apr 2022 22:24:51 No.5237209 Report

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>>5237179
>"If we couldn't afford it I don't imagine we'd have the option for the reform to begin with."

Your resources are limited, and based on what you pick it may strain you in one place or another. But thanks to your negotiations with house Maniakes, you have a little more breathing room for the negotiations.

So yes, you do have the cash or the debt celling to push through a reform of this nature. Whatever it may be.

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Anonymous ID:M1QXZ5dz Wed 20 Apr 2022 22:27:41 No.5237212 Report

Quoted By: >>5237214 >>5237224

>>5237192
>We are a dying empire that has the right to conquer the entire map, we are already hated
Proofs? We are not so hated that foreign merchants won't do business with us, either selling their wares here or us selling our wares abroad.

and on top of that we sell ourselves silk and purple dye. No nation will stop buying these products from us.
You assume that just as you assume a bunch of pirates will simply do as we say because we let them operate out of our ports. Not only would this foolish idea destroy our trade income in exchange for "pirate tribute" you would be destroying the income of our own people, from the poors to the nobles. Even if you believe they won't molest our own people you can't believe their activities would not have economic consequences.

The nobles are already going to be upset about the administrative reforms, they're going to be upset about the asceticism autism, and now you're proposing we shelter and encourage pirates. Are you attempting to act out your namesake?

Let's not forget that we've squeezed and disgraced the most prominent merchant family in our lands, I wonder how this would make them feel?

I'm sure they and the nobles would love to talk about it.

Seriously, do you think that paying for expensive mercenaries to fight pirates that we can pacify without a drop of blood shed other than making a profit is a good idea?

And you think we will pacify pirates without a drop of bloodshed while thinking it would be impossible to win over the eastern rebels diplomatically?

>The nobles who won't be attacked by pirates without losing money for their merchant ships being attacked?
So you're going to pretend they simply won't attack our own peoples ships ever because reasons? What about traders that come to our lands to purchase the nobles goods? Or who bring items our people buy and resell at a profit? Trade does not only flow in one direction.

Or the clerics who can be pacified on the grounds that we are protecting our people as well as giving these criminals a chance to redeem themselves by attacking our enemies?
Oh please.

Offering amnesty is reasonable, inviting them to set up shop is retarded.

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Anonymous ID:M1QXZ5dz Wed 20 Apr 2022 22:29:24 No.5237214 Report

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Excuse the formatting errors

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Wed 20 Apr 2022 22:43:46 No.5237224 Report

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>>5237212
I want you to understand something, why pirates don't attack our lands is very simple. For a pirate it is almost impossible to find a place to repair or buy new boats. It's even if they find this location it's going to be very far from the trade routes. Having access to the largest and best-placed port in the world would be far more valuable than attacking a suffering land in decay, plus all the necessities they want to be there, drinks, whores and repairs.
The capital would be filthy rich with the pirates and their treasures that we would receive a portion of.

Another thing, the autistic person who voted to reform the administration without any concessions was not me. Yeah, I voted for us to recreate the imperial spies and assassins, nobody backed it up, this shit isn't my fault.

In short, the pirates would not attack our lands, but they would certainly attack and keep all other fleets of our enemies well occupied.

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Anonymous ID:M1QXZ5dz Wed 20 Apr 2022 23:04:52 No.5237255 Report

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>>5237224
>In short, the pirates would not attack our lands, but they would certainly attack and keep all other fleets of our enemies well occupied.

You simply CANNOT guarantee that. You're inviting scum and villainy to take root in our lands, officially sanctioned. There will be ones who don't give a shit and do whatever they want, either way traders WILL be deterred from entering our lands. The economy will suffer immensely. Crime will only invite more crime.

And what will you say when the fleets of foreign nations enter our waters with the intent of clearing out pirates? When a bunch of dissatisfied nobles and merchants decide to replace us? Whose support will we have if either comes to pass?

Making our lands a haven for pirates will only bring us ruin.

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Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Wed 20 Apr 2022 23:30:59 No.5237291 Report

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>>5237192
And what about those who are obsessed with honor and prestige? Those are the only two things that we have in relative abundance, and if those go, will the loyalty of our military go with them as well? Will our personal guard be more loyal without prestige of protecting the Emperor?

Unfortunately, this is one of those things that we shouldn’t mess with right out of the gates of our reign.

>>5237224
While I’m not opposed to creating a spy network, that will be a long and exhausting process, and even them may not be totally loyal to us personally.

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Anonymous ID:NWEMxukr Thu 21 Apr 2022 00:56:10 No.5237403 Report

Quoted By: >>5237412

>>5237054
Ships
>>As the strongman stated previously, you could rebuild the necessary facilities and hire the necessary workers to make ships, not as expensive, but it will take time, a lot of time, and the quality is not guaranteed, but it is an investment. In time, you will make great fleets of fine ships without outside influence.

Crews
>>Mercenaries, whilst expensive, are experienced and skilled, the best men you could probably get.

Officers
>There are people skilled in the arts of the seas, no doubt. You just have to find those of minds fitting for the task. Though, they will need time to gain experience, most of your captains met their ends in a watery grave.

>Armentarius is right. Supporting pirates will see you alienate all civilized nations of the world. It too, shall sully the empire’s honour

Love Arm, demanding respect for our honour is always a good thing. He is right, and it would be best to ensure we are considered respectable.

It will take some time but is balanced. We do have some money with us thanks to what we did so far, and the mercs are probably the more expensive thing here of the options. This said, a safer trade means more cash. So this investment will be of great aid.
Beyond that Admiral Mundus will probably help with the training of the officers and in other matters regarding this action for the navy, and should be happy of this development.

>>5237054
Completely unrelated qm & other anons, but since we talked with this man and this encounter looks like an oppurtunity to me and since we can spend some free time, why not talk more ? If anyone is interested of course.
>Write in
Talk with the Tarrizan merchant about his city, and the western continent. What s the reason for the war against Patera ? What's the official position of Tarrizo with the empire, beside trade ?
Also allow the other men that talked with us to say their own opinion on this. Be the strongman or the wisemen.
This doesn't mean we need to have a immediate political stance with Tarrico, but it allows us to know things we wouldn't know from being in the court. For example what our people would think if the empire did more than trade with Tarrico.

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Anonymous ID:M1QXZ5dz Thu 21 Apr 2022 01:00:08 No.5237412 Report

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>>5237403
>If anyone is interested of course.

Sure I'm game. If we can expand trade in some way or another we absolutely should.

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Anonymous ID:WWRiS1A5 Thu 21 Apr 2022 01:32:43 No.5237461 Report

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Anonymous ID:S1Wf1zxT Thu 21 Apr 2022 01:56:51 No.5237500 Report

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>>5237054
>As the strongman stated previously, you could rebuild the necessary facilities and hire the necessary workers to make ships, not as expensive, but it will take time, a lot of time, and the quality is not guaranteed, but it is an investment. In time, you will make great fleets of fine ships without outside influence.
>The dregs. They only cause issues, and no one will miss them. An easy solution, a quick solution. Hopefully the taskmasters can keep them inline.
>There are people skilled in the arts of the seas, no doubt. You just have to find those of minds fitting for the task. Though, they will need time to gain experience, most of your captains met their ends in a watery grave.
>Armentarius is right. Supporting pirates will see you alienate all civilized nations of the world. It too, shall sully the empire’s honour.
Rebuilding the navy will be a long and slow process, we can afford the time investment to get it right and stand on our own two feet. Historically, many militaries had a large proportion of press-ganged criminals and navies were no exception - especially in the latter Age of Sail, many captains were uniformed pirates as well, but they acted like pirates as well and this often showed in fleet battles.
Ideally, I would like to mix the scum with mercs to (literally) show them the ropes and keep them in line, but if the QM can't handle the autism then so be it.

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Anonymous ID:Ih4uyEqc Thu 21 Apr 2022 02:13:56 No.5237526 Report

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Anonymous ID:K9ujo6OA Thu 21 Apr 2022 06:00:43 No.5237758 Report

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>>5237054
>Invest
Its gonna suck for now but better for the future, also depending on another naval power for our fleet would bite us in the ass later. We should see about rebuilding our spy network to get some ship building tech or someone willing to spill the beans.

>Dregs and partial conscription
Offer freedom to these sorry chucklefucks after X years of service in the navy, the officers will still bitch but its better than having no manpower.

>Sadly this is gonna have to be 2, maybe 1 as a temporary solution.
This is the one thing we have to do right, without proper officers we are fucked.

>Offer them safe haven
In an attempt to save face, lets us employ our bookwormyness to make a connection between a feudal contract and our pirate solution. What is this called in modern times? A Corsair patent, give safe haven and free reign to those willing to be pointed at our enemies and collaborate with the navy.

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Anonymous ID:NC/cWHHq Thu 21 Apr 2022 08:37:09 No.5237832 Report

Quoted By: >>5237870

If we acquire ships from NOT!Venice could we see to recreating their designs or improving our own based off them later?

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Anonymous ID:K9ujo6OA Thu 21 Apr 2022 09:53:55 No.5237870 Report

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>>5237832
Probably, depends on how is education in our empire. From what they said we had a massive brain leak so its unlikely we will get very far unless we find the ones who stayed.
Ship production has some factors regarding architecture but its also a matter of production technology. How are we making the planks? do we have drydocks? How is our wood quality. Etc

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Thu 21 Apr 2022 11:08:44 No.5237895 Report

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>>5237255

The system in question is not a universal invitation for anyone, it is a government-approved document that chooses which pirates will be able to use our services, which means they will have nowhere to go if they attack us. The pirates working for us satisfied, will not accept the actions of the traitor pirate, the unchosen pirates will see this traitor pirate as a little bitch of the state and will attack him, the other nations will not forget that they attacked them, which is guinify that the worst decision a pirate under contract can make is to attack our nation.

>>5237291

The official navy will not disappear, the intention is to use pirates as militias in times of peace, and as auxiliaries in times of war.
The honorable officers will have ample opportunity to choose their course in the navy, which was not long ago abandoned, were they before the renovation?

If the spy network is going to be a long project, why are we putting it off, besides we're not sure of anyone's loyalty.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Thu 21 Apr 2022 19:42:37 No.5238176 Report

Quoted By: >>5238179

Ships:

Homemade 11

Tarrizans 1

Crews:

Countryside 1

Mercs 6

Dregs 6

Officers:

Merchants 1

Clemency 6

Locals 6

Pirates:

Safe haven 3

No haven 10

Need tie breakers

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Anonymous ID:UBr4B5/G Thu 21 Apr 2022 19:45:48 No.5238178 Report

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Anonymous ID:UBr4B5/G Thu 21 Apr 2022 19:48:42 No.5238179 Report

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>>5238178
Actually, wait, I'll switch to...
>Offers of clemency for those pirates that are willing to take them. Their quality will be…questionable, but they shall be experienced men who own their everything to you.

Having experienced men right away will be important, and they'll be loyal.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Thu 21 Apr 2022 19:51:06 No.5238180 Report

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Ships:

Homemade 12

Tarrizans 1

Crews:

Countryside 1

Mercs 7

Dregs 6

Officers:

Merchants 1

Clemency 7

Locals 6

Pirates:

Safe haven 3

No haven 11

Locked in

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Thu 21 Apr 2022 22:21:13 No.5238355 Report

Quoted By: >>5238359

“Before we let you go, fine citizens. We would like to hear your opinions on the Tarrizans.” You state with curiosity in your eyes.

The faces of them in the crowd curl up in scowls at their mention.

“Liars, thieves and opportunists, your majesty.” As politely as possible, the wiseman responds. A raised eyebrow from you indicates him to continue. “They, like me, are merchants, but they hold no honour. They trade and they sell to all and everyone, for anything and everything. It is, in fact, something they take great pride in. One day, they could proclaim to be devoted followers of the Shepherd, even though heretics they are.”

Sensing that he is about to go into a rant, you quickly interject “Believing that the Shepherd was but a man even after his death and not the son of God, but still dying to protect all hope, yes, I am aware, continue.”

“As I was saying, your majesty. On one day, they will proclaim their religious devotion and assist all to bring down the pagans, and the next, they shall sell the pagan ships that they are now lacking, ships that they destroyed previously, now giving them even more vessels with which to prowl upon the faithful.” He finishes his rant.

“I too view them with mistrust, your majesty.” The strongman interjects. “It is they who built the Akeoinians their fleet, with which they had brought upon us the great disaster of bitter defeat.”

“But it is also they that brought supplies to Myralos, when ocean was crossed by those heathen Iwaads over a century ago. Saving the empire.” Once more, the man who offered to give safe haven to pirates speaks up.

“And they received special tariff exemptions since ! They flood the markets with their goods, to the point where even I find it difficult to make a profit.” The wiseman interjects.

Cowed, the other man remains silent.

“We thank you for your words.” Hoping to prevent any possible incident, you call out. “And dismiss you. May your path be forever enlightened.”

The men bow deeply, nearly impacting the ground.

[blue]Seems like I will have to question the Tarrizan merchant some more after all.[/blue]

Turning around, you slowly meander back to the merchant, keeping your own haste and curiosity in check. It would be unbefitting for you to run.

“Our good man, we once again have questions for you.” You say with a smile as you return.

“Your most regal majesty, this humble one is more than willing to answer any questions you have !” He says with great joy. Looking over his goods, you realize that in scant few minutes, most of them had been bought up.”

[blue]Was it because I came around here ?[/blue]

“We wished to learn more about your great city and Rogarus as a whole. From the perspective of man from it.”

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Thu 21 Apr 2022 22:22:23 No.5238359 Report

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>>5238355

“Of course, your most regal majesty. The great city is the jewel of the thousand islands ! Its mighty walls cover the entire island upon which it rests, the plentiful bustling city built atop of it. Our great port invites ships all across the world and sees the most trade than any other in the world, I dare so to claim. Our mighty fleet holds sway over the isles and its surroundings, our brave marines ensure that said islands are safe and prosperous and untouched by the chaos of war. The halberdiers that make up our army, are valiant as any knight and just as well armed, if preferring to fight on foot, but their might at arms should never be underestimated !” With a bright smile he proclaims.

“As for the continent.” His enthusiasm instantly dies off. “Well, the lands of E’fostye are as always at the throat of their rivals Jaykins. I do believe that their little war this time has been going on for about, hmmm…, maybe fifteen, sixteen years ?” As if unsure himself, the man states. “A usual occurrence. Both had been at each other’s throats for a while now, two centuries I believe. Bleeding and dying, fighting over some fertile valley or another. No natural borders to keep them safe but to annihilate each other, you see.

What next.” He begins thinking. “Ah ! Escuratans ! Yes, they’ve devolved into a civil war. Old king died with nothing but bastards to his name, all whom in an act of piety he legitimized before his death. Thus, dragging many more to meet the Shephard.”

“Rogarus sounds like a tumultuous place of strife and war.” You way with mild shock, for you, the heartland was always safe, no matter what.

“Oh it is, your most regal majesty, but what else is there to do when every family has at least ten grown children with more on the way, but to fight war ? Besides pestilence and famine, that is, those two being punishments from God and a sign for all conflict to cease, after all.”

“Indeed, may man remain virtuous and free of sin, to earn his grace.’ You reply almost out of instinct, heretic the man in front of you may be, but at least he is no pagan. “And what about this, Patera ? And the war you waged.”

The man’s face darkens. “Those are villainous people, your most regal majesty. They hail from the south of Rogarus, their city built as the river Lectus meets the sea. They had directed much of the trade coming from the South, selling it to us at greatly inflated prices to propagate their own influence and expand onto the continent, over throwing many a legitimate ruler. Such vileness could not be tolerated by the most honourable lords, as such, we assisted them by destroying the greatest lifeblood of Patera. With no more money, they could not afford to pursue war, and they ended up collapsing. Ensuring, that us, proud and true, honest merchants of most gentle and beautiful Tarrizo, would be the one plying the trade routes !” Again, with excitement he proclaims.

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NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Thu 21 Apr 2022 22:23:24 No.5238360 Report

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>>5238359

“Impressive. To crush one’s foe so thoroughly. Speaking of defeats, I’ve recently come to learn that you assisted our mighty empire centuries ago, and earned some great privileges because of so.”

“That is correct, your most regal majesty. We were given the right to trade without the levying of tariffs upon our ships, and the exclusive right to trade your fine silks with the west. Speaking of which, would you be willing to give us the right to trade your purple dye ?”

“Unfortunately, no. Such a matter has to be discussed at length.” You instantly shoot down the mans offer.

“Ah, saddening indeed, your most regal majesty. But if you change your mind, just know that we Tarrizans are your greatest allies and friends !” He exclaims as befitting of a merchant.

“It is good to know, but now, I grow weary and must depart. Go with God, our friend.” You excuse yourself, unwilling to be dragged unwittingly into negotiations by the man.

Instead, you hurry, whilst still appearing carefree, to your carriage. A mountain of documents awaits you, the reforms of the administration need to be solidified, corruption found and uprooted.
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And what corruption there is. You’ve located four focal points of issue in the days spent digging through the documents. An oil lamp burning slowly, illuminating your surroundings allows you to see the neatly stacked documents. A plate of lightly roasted nuts and a goblet of wine being your only company in such late night. Especially when half of all of the servants in the palace were let go, including three fourths of the courtiers. You have to admit, that the halls feel empty, besides your stoic guards standing in absolute silence.

Between your intensive work, you had announced decrees issuing the reconstruction of drydocks, harbours and ports to kickstart ship construction. Hopefully some of the let go servants will find work there.

Foreigners also flooded into the city, in the past few weeks, mercenaries smelling gold, as you commanded to find skilled men to crew the soon to be built ships, a season or two later, hopefully. But for now, they sit and wait, spending their silver and gold on baser pleasures of life, as befitting men of such low moral standing, you can only hope that their officers, whom admittedly come from low stock, will deal with them. As there already are former pirates accepting offers of clemency, swearing undying loyalty and promising to rid of their once kin that plague your seas. And all the better, as you will not welcome criminality and lack of morals by allowing safety for pirates in your lands. The empire is weak, but not weak enough to debase herself as such.

Whilst the naval reform is under way, the four different stacks haunt your eyes. Four powerful noble families, deeply enmeshed in society. Holding governance over their provinces for generations, each with their own issues.

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NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Thu 21 Apr 2022 22:24:26 No.5238362 Report

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>>5238360

At present, you can only tackle one safely. [red]Your lack of tact, and the reduction of prestige from your, granted pious, austerity measures. Mean that you risk significant backlash if you tackle more than one of the families. However, if you are willing to take the risk, you can do so.[/red]

>House Kurkuas. For the longest time they had been made governors over [i:lit]Movmetáxinisiá[/i:lit] (Purple silk islands). The reports you’ve red show discrepancies in both purple dye and silk production, no doubt funnel into the family’s private coffers. You cannot allow such a vital trade resource to be allowed to be misused.

>House Bardanes. They hold the most fertile lands within the empire, the most populous as well, the [i:lit]thémata[/i:lit] (placement, district) of [i:lit]Chloerógi[/i:lit] (Verdant land). Yet the amount of men provided for the army are always lacking in quality, old and sickly, poorly equipped, if they show up at all. You need fighting men, and you will get them.

>House Ingerinus. The mines of northern [i:lit]Orospulón[/i:lit] (east mountain) are rich in ores, and their exploitation is commendable, but house Ingerinus is singularly obsessed over it, to the point where slave revolts are common, not only that, but the fortification there are languishing due to a lack of maintenance. No even that, despite the impressive numbers, the actual amount of ore, needed to equip your armies, that reaches the ever-hungry forges, is but a fraction. The lands of [i:lit]Asímiaima[/i:lit] (Silver blood) shall receive new management.

>House Staurakius. Governors of Kósmosaspída (World shield). They govern the lands closest to the capital, although not the greatest in anything, their strategic position means that they always had the ears of emperors, this allowed them to build up a frightening amount of influence in the courts of other nobility and the senate. They shall be crippled, for they can be a potential threat.

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Thu 21 Apr 2022 22:32:20 No.5238376 Report

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Anonymous ID:p2k37YnC Thu 21 Apr 2022 22:41:58 No.5238390 Report

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>>5238362
>>House Staurakius. Governors of Kósmosaspída (World shield). They govern the lands closest to the capital, although not the greatest in anything, their strategic position means that they always had the ears of emperors, this allowed them to build up a frightening amount of influence in the courts of other nobility and the senate. They shall be crippled, for they can be a potential threat.
Lets keep securing our base first. Our loss of prestige + relatively new reign means that we have to keep trying to fight threats immediately relevant to us.

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Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Thu 21 Apr 2022 22:54:36 No.5238408 Report

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Anonymous ID:Mk8wxxdk Fri 22 Apr 2022 00:34:56 No.5238491 Report

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>>5238362
>>House Bardanes. They hold the most fertile lands within the empire, the most populous as well, the [i:lit]thémata[/i:lit] (placement, district) of [i:lit]Chloerógi[/i:lit] (Verdant land). Yet the amount of men provided for the army are always lacking in quality, old and sickly, poorly equipped, if they show up at all. You need fighting men, and you will get them.

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Anonymous ID:WWRiS1A5 Fri 22 Apr 2022 00:58:54 No.5238520 Report

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>>5238362
>House Bardanes. They hold the most fertile lands within the empire, the most populous as well, the [i:lit]thémata[/i:lit] (placement, district) of [i:lit]Chloerógi[/i:lit] (Verdant land). Yet the amount of men provided for the army are always lacking in quality, old and sickly, poorly equipped, if they show up at all. You need fighting men, and you will get them.

Food and people are the lifeblood of an empire. Money, material, and strategy will amount to nothing if we do not control the food production.

And we can always get House Staurakius on side instead of destroying them. No man is an island and we do need allies.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:QX7yqrUV Fri 22 Apr 2022 01:01:37 No.5238526 Report

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>>5238362
>>House Staurakius. Governors of Kósmosaspída (World shield). They govern the lands closest to the capital, although not the greatest in anything, their strategic position means that they always had the ears of emperors, this allowed them to build up a frightening amount of influence in the courts of other nobility and the senate. They shall be crippled, for they can be a potential threat.

We won't gain the most material benefit here, but best to nip that in the bud.

Shame our loss of prestige is limiting us.

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Anonymous ID:B3ltHYbQ Fri 22 Apr 2022 08:02:31 No.5238864 Report

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>>5238362
>House Kurkuas. For the longest time they had been made governors over [i:lit]Movmetáxinisiá[/i:lit] (Purple silk islands). The reports you’ve red show discrepancies in both purple dye and silk production, no doubt funnel into the family’s private coffers. You cannot allow such a vital trade resource to be allowed to be misused.
>House Bardanes. They hold the most fertile lands within the empire, the most populous as well, the [i:lit]thémata[/i:lit] (placement, district) of [i:lit]Chloerógi[/i:lit] (Verdant land). Yet the amount of men provided for the army are always lacking in quality, old and sickly, poorly equipped, if they show up at all. You need fighting men, and you will get them.
>House Ingerinus. The mines of northern [i:lit]Orospulón[/i:lit] (east mountain) are rich in ores, and their exploitation is commendable, but house Ingerinus is singularly obsessed over it, to the point where slave revolts are common, not only that, but the fortification there are languishing due to a lack of maintenance. No even that, despite the impressive numbers, the actual amount of ore, needed to equip your armies, that reaches the ever-hungry forges, is but a fraction. The lands of [i:lit]Asímiaima[/i:lit] (Silver blood) shall receive new management.
>House Staurakius. Governors of Kósmosaspída (World shield). They govern the lands closest to the capital, although not the greatest in anything, their strategic position means that they always had the ears of emperors, this allowed them to build up a frightening amount of influence in the courts of other nobility and the senate. They shall be crippled, for they can be a potential threat.

You guys are pussies. Real men vote for this.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:1uGFN88D Fri 22 Apr 2022 08:28:05 No.5238881 Report

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>>5238362
>House Staurakius. Governors of Kósmosaspída (World shield). They govern the lands closest to the capital, although not the greatest in anything, their strategic position means that they always had the ears of emperors, this allowed them to build up a frightening amount of influence in the courts of other nobility and the senate. They shall be crippled, for they can be a potential threat.
Take them out being near the capital, is a problem.
For anyone concerned by ascetic measures, they are still damn useful. We have far more room for coins than before, no wastes of time in court and so on. Prestige can grow as well, it's not like it will remain there forever.
Should we consider to make a "travel" of the empire later on ? Visiting different settlements and showing up around. Or we could remain in the capital for a few months or one year, before doing it. It would give us time for solidify our rule, and changing more things. We will have to show up to the senate door sooner or later too, see what Leontius wants to do there. It's also enough time for grow our popularity with the people (for improving our image further showing up to prayers in the city cathedral, on time could help to. The main day prayer mostly, we don't have all day), and consider the marriage offers that will be send our way or look on our own for better ones.

We could practice for learn how to use a weapon in the free time, and ride a horse. Maybe read a few books of warfare at night. One day we will have to show up in front of our troops, be navy or army, perhaps even lead and fight with them in battles so is better to look a bit competent and not an amateur in their eyes.
And getting a dog for additional safety.

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Anonymous ID:UBr4B5/G Fri 22 Apr 2022 10:33:28 No.5238968 Report

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>>5238362
>House Ingerinus. The mines of northern [i:lit]Orospulón[/i:lit] (east mountain) are rich in ores, and their exploitation is commendable, but house Ingerinus is singularly obsessed over it, to the point where slave revolts are common, not only that, but the fortification there are languishing due to a lack of maintenance. No even that, despite the impressive numbers, the actual amount of ore, needed to equip your armies, that reaches the ever-hungry forges, is but a fraction. The lands of [i:lit]Asímiaima[/i:lit] (Silver blood) shall receive new management.

Valuable metals, money both from coins minted directly from those metals or from the sales of various ores, war materiel, a border shored up, this helps a bit with everything.

Unless we have an apocalyptic demographic crisis men can always be obtained for the armies. We may have to make changes to the laws regarding how much each regional army is supposed to have or pay premiums to be make up for the shortage in men but dealing with the corruption in this house means our men will be equipped. In all likelihood the value of these metals will do more than merely equip our men but hopefully will net us the funds to partially deal with the other shortcomings we have.

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Anonymous ID:QX7yqrUV Fri 22 Apr 2022 10:43:12 No.5238976 Report

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>>5238881
>For anyone concerned by ascetic measures, they are still damn useful. We have far more room for coins than before, no wastes of time in court and so on.

I'm sure that being able to axe 2 or more of these corrupt families from the get go without trouble would save us far more than these autistic austerity measures. Of course, this is just the first bump in the road.

Also, courtiers will now have more time to plot, and will not be within arms reach. The French model worked.

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Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Fri 22 Apr 2022 11:09:01 No.5238986 Report

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>>5238881
The ascetic measures have clearly failed us when it come to influencing the Court and politics. You could claim that it will save us money, but the fact is that it’s probably pennies we’re saving in comparison to what these corrupt families are getting away with. The better play would’ve been to accept the need for more prestigious positions, then deal with two corrupt families to significantly improve our Empire’s economic position.

>Should we consider to make a "travel" of the empire later on ?
5 years, we need to clean house more and get some functionality back into our Empire. I know for a fact that our Navy will require another reform, I’m not satisfied with the current reforms it’s undergoing right now, that that will have to happen after we rejuvenate the countryside and dealt with the religious schism in our backyard, not to mention whatever crisis befalls us next.

We’ll also need a backup child in case our heir gets killed as well.

>We could practice for learn how to use a weapon in the free time, and ride a horse.

I’d support it, but between actually fixing the Empire’s problems, politics, and simply surviving, I doubt we’ll be anywhere as competent, let alone be a real political threat to Issac on the military front.

Support getting a doggo tough.

>>5238976
Agreed, freeing up the courtiers to plot for a meme is a serious misstep that will cost us in the future.

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Anonymous ID:QX7yqrUV Fri 22 Apr 2022 11:41:54 No.5238996 Report

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>>5238986
People fail to understand it's not for the emperor, but for the empire. Displays of wealth and power are for the people under us, and foreign courts. A serious misstep indeed.

And yeah, as the saying goes pinching the pennies and losing the dollars.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Fri 22 Apr 2022 19:13:49 No.5239360 Report

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The golden lion of Staurakius, the brave lion, the unyielding lion, the ever-loyal lion. A lion that had taken part in every coup against ruling emperors since their family came to power, due to their position as the first line of defence against any would be invader.

Your position is as always teetering on the verge of collapse. A new dynasty, its previous head assassinated, and even then, a dynasty that came to power through military might and betrayal.

To tolerate Staurakius is to invite death upon yourself.

[blue]These men, they will have to be removed one way or the other. I must ensure stability, no matter how it will pain me, and no matter the cost.[/blue]

You begin to look through the documentations you had gathered about [i:lit]Kósmosaspída[/i:lit] (World shield).

The province itself is unremarkable. The lands are not particularly fertile, nor are they blessed with ores, lumber or any other source of natural resources. It had maintained a decently modest population, from the farmlands dotting the land. An interesting bit of note would be the tavern culture widespread throughout the land, as they tend to cater towards merchants and travellers on their way to Myralos.

As for House Staurakius. They are an old, venerable house, able to date their roots back to the glory days of the empire. A living memory, passed down through generations history and traditions of the empire. Perhaps as a symbol for the sheer magnitude of the lineage of such an ancient house, or merely a symbol of corruption and rot infesting your realm, but they held the position for close to three hundred years now. Longer than some kingdoms have existed. Entire dynasties had risen and fallen, but the golden lion continued onwards unstopped, proudly gazing upon the squabbles of great men.

[blue]Nothing more than opportunistic serpents,[/blue] you surmise. When you father marched upon the capital, they had betrayed the last dynasty. Before that, they were their most steadfast servants, assisting in the pruning of the dynasty that came before.

And how did they survive ? How were they never replaced ? Because the lion’s pride is massive indeed. Sons and daughters married to any family of import within the empire and even outside of it. Excellent and capable diplomats, they had represented the empire to the outside world on more occasions than you can count.

Now it falls upon you. These snakes disguised as brave beasts, how will you deal with them ?

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Fri 22 Apr 2022 19:14:50 No.5239361 Report

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>>5239360

>Simply. All they have is a pen, whilst you wield a sword. Let Armentarius rally the [i:lit]Scholae Tagmata[/i:lit] (School regiment/battalion) and bring you the lion’s mane. It will be a permanent solution. The governors are not feudal nobility, they own their power to you, only you. Let them fear your might.

>Such an illustrious house, despite their…proclivity for survival, no matter the cost, is rather unfortunate. Marrying a daughter of one house so well established in the senate will allow you leverage their name for your own goals. Binding your dynasty to their will ensure, at the very least for a couple of generations, they shall stand steadfast besides you.

>You are the emperor. That is all the reason you need. Simply issue an edict to recall their governorship and be done with it.

>With the bureaucracy so inefficient and cumbersome as it is, no doubt some document or another, a procedure here or there of great, or negligible import has been misplaced, not signed, or simply forgotten. Only someone of your mind could possibly sort through all of these documents. This should give you justification before the senate for the revocation, as pedantic as it would be.

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Anonymous ID:Mk8wxxdk Fri 22 Apr 2022 19:19:07 No.5239371 Report

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>>5239361
>>Such an illustrious house, despite their…proclivity for survival, no matter the cost, is rather unfortunate. Marrying a daughter of one house so well established in the senate will allow you leverage their name for your own goals. Binding your dynasty to their will ensure, at the very least for a couple of generations, they shall stand steadfast besides you.

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Anonymous ID:Rx0+7utS Fri 22 Apr 2022 19:25:17 No.5239382 Report

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>>5239360
>Such an illustrious house, despite their…proclivity for survival, no matter the cost, is rather unfortunate. Marrying a daughter of one house so well established in the senate will allow you leverage their name for your own goals. Binding your dynasty to their will ensure, at the very least for a couple of generations, they shall stand steadfast besides you.
Better to bend the power to our will than to create a power vacume.

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Anonymous ID:H6XoAwct Fri 22 Apr 2022 19:37:13 No.5239393 Report

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Anonymous ID:NWEMxukr Fri 22 Apr 2022 19:48:38 No.5239406 Report

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>>5239361
>>With the bureaucracy so inefficient and cumbersome as it is, no doubt some document or another, a procedure here or there of great, or negligible import has been misplaced, not signed, or simply forgotten. Only someone of your mind could possibly sort through all of these documents. This should give you justification before the senate for the revocation, as pedantic as it would be.

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Anonymous ID:QX7yqrUV Fri 22 Apr 2022 19:54:05 No.5239410 Report

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Fri 22 Apr 2022 20:06:31 No.5239425 Report

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Fri 22 Apr 2022 20:11:07 No.5239431 Report

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>>5239371
>>5239382
>>5239393
>>5239410

As soon as our heir is born we will be murdered, guess who will be the rulers of the empire until the child reaches the age to assume the throne? Please we don't need another faction trying to control us like puppets from inside the palace, this autism was bad once.

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Anonymous ID:QX7yqrUV Fri 22 Apr 2022 20:36:46 No.5239454 Report

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>>5239431
Pure conjecture. I don't doubt that if they had a reputation for such outright treachery they would have been exterminated long ago. The autism that we need the least is waifu wars, you were one of the proponents of the barbarian queen idea were you not?

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Fri 22 Apr 2022 20:42:03 No.5239458 Report

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>>5239454
Are you retarded? We are the children of a psychopathic usurper. They need no excuse for us to kill after taking the throne with the Imperial heir.

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Anonymous ID:QX7yqrUV Fri 22 Apr 2022 21:15:04 No.5239483 Report

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>>5239458
You're jumping to conclusions. No one needs any excuse to kill us by that logic, even without an heir that could be controlled. Why not simply strike us down and sit on the throne? Not that simple is it?

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Fri 22 Apr 2022 21:23:08 No.5239491 Report

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>>5239483
Because most of these people don't have the political power to stage a coup without causing a civil war, guess who does?

Besides that this marriage will leave our young emperor in a miserable life, this girl was raised in the midst of luxury and absolute nobility, how do you think she will react to dry bread and water as the luxuries of the palace?

And with marriage this family will have all the connections they want from the center of the empire.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:S1Wf1zxT Fri 22 Apr 2022 21:38:39 No.5239505 Report

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>>5239361
>With the bureaucracy so inefficient and cumbersome as it is, no doubt some document or another, a procedure here or there of great, or negligible import has been misplaced, not signed, or simply forgotten. Only someone of your mind could possibly sort through all of these documents. This should give you justification before the senate for the revocation, as pedantic as it would be.
Marrying ourselves off already is a poor idea. One, it gives the snakes a tail in the door and will pose a huge obstacle to any further attempts we make to curb their influence later - if anything, this only increases it. Two, there will be further opportunities for alliance through marriage later that may serve us better than some probably insufferable noble brat from an entity that is better off not existing.
While the selected option is just some tactical voting, I think the best solution is just to leave them alone for now and enact a more direct and permanent solution at a later date once we've consolidated our rule.

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Anonymous ID:QX7yqrUV Fri 22 Apr 2022 22:06:31 No.5239544 Report

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>>5239491
>Because most of these people don't have the political power to stage a coup without causing a civil war

Precisely, and neither do they, even if we marry into them it would not give them absolute power. Say they made the attempt and failed? Having been around as long as they have, I expect they are fairly risk averse. Again you're pulling things out of thin air.

The asceticism autism was a stupid idea and we'll continue to pay for it. But must you play it up as only drinking water and eating bread? May as well wear sack cloth while we're at it.

We will both gain from it, there is no denying that.

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Fri 22 Apr 2022 22:19:49 No.5239562 Report

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>>5239544
Coups d'état can always fail, but the most influential family in the empire with one of their heirs as queen and the royal heir in their arms, plus years of expansion in the capital, has a better chance of this coup working.
And if they fail, the royal house may fall from the fall of influence.

The choices made cannot be reversed so easily, welcome to democracy.
I wanted to restore the cloaks and daggers, but that's not how the world works, because there will always be the motherfucker who thinks with his ass, doesn't take into account all aspects of the problem and then they complain about bad choices.

I can and I will, we have a unique alternative that can solve our problem without any risk. By definition any other alternative is dumb.

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Anonymous ID:QX7yqrUV Fri 22 Apr 2022 22:31:34 No.5239573 Report

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>>5239562
>with one of their heirs as queen
A member of their family, in any case.

and the royal heir in their arms, plus years of expansion in the capital

Surely you'll run out of things to pull out of the air. Nevermind how you act like it is a foregone conclusion that this would be the result, you do not know.

Speaking of rebuilding an intelligence service, wouldn't that be wonderful to have to prevent anything like that occurring? Myself and several other anons support the idea, I'm sure that we will create it sooner rather than later.

Be a shame to let a prime opportunity to reverse our loss of prestige slip by at that.

>without any risk

Do you really believe that?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:5C3NZcKs Fri 22 Apr 2022 22:39:54 No.5239579 Report

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>>5239361
>With the bureaucracy so inefficient and cumbersome as it is, no doubt some document or another, a procedure here or there of great, or negligible import has been misplaced, not signed, or simply forgotten. Only someone of your mind could possibly sort through all of these documents. This should give you justification before the senate for the revocation, as pedantic as it would be.

For the love of god don't fucking marry one. We are ascetic and religious. The ONLY noblewoman we should ever consider marrying is the most devout and pious woman the entire Church can find with its full might. We marry her and she will hate our guts planning for our death the moment she gets a heir to turn into a puppet along with her family. You don't want a disloyal Empress or queen who hates you and wants you dead. She will without doubt grow to hate us if she didn't already.

Literally ANY other option is better than that. Its the worst possible choice.

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Fri 22 Apr 2022 22:41:11 No.5239582 Report

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>>5239573
Our Emperor is a peasant, an extraordinary peasant, but a peasant nonetheless. Are you seriously going to reject every implication, every possibility of going wrong just to have a political marriage in which we are at a disadvantage? Can't you see anything that could go wrong?

I don't remember you supporting my vote when I raised this issue in the chosen lifestyle vote. It doesn't matter when we can finally have our "eyes and nails", as long as the anons don't take into account the possibilities and consequences of each vote they won't be recruited.

>Yes it is our special option for a reason, now stop wasting our time for no reason and choose the right option.

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Anonymous ID:5C3NZcKs Fri 22 Apr 2022 22:56:46 No.5239597 Report

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>>5239582
A peasant and a bastard born from a usurper psychopath. The nobility has every reason to hate our guts. The biggest problem for them is that the commoners and Church love us. Slowly we are winning over the merchants by fixing the trade routes and we are slowly countering the army by rebuilding the navy. That makes us very troublesome for them to deal with.

Ultimately we need to accept the fact the nobility are always going to hate our guts and there is nothing we really do about it but make ourselves impossible to get rid of and make it so our heirs are more legitimate. Fortunately, our support base is too strong for them to easily deal with and we are quickly making befriending the groups who don't completely hate our guts.

Right now the nobles don't only have to worry about our influence but also the Church which thanks to our reign is being greatly empowered and leveraged against them. With the trade routes being secured and the navy restored merchants and military influence will also grow. Not to mention our impending reforms to the bureaucracy which will give them hell. The nobles frankly can't easily get rid of us so long as we don't do something as momentously stupid as giving them an heir to control and easy means to replace us.

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Anonymous ID:QX7yqrUV Fri 22 Apr 2022 23:00:30 No.5239599 Report

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>>5239582
>>Yes it is our special option for a reason, now stop wasting our time for no reason and choose the right option.

Lol oh ok.

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Anonymous ID:pajOg9qg Fri 22 Apr 2022 23:24:28 No.5239618 Report

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>>5239361
>With the bureaucracy so inefficient and cumbersome as it is, no doubt some document or another, a procedure here or there of great, or negligible import has been misplaced, not signed, or simply forgotten. Only someone of your mind could possibly sort through all of these documents. This should give you justification before the senate for the revocation, as pedantic as it would be.
If you know anything about Bizantine intrigue is that YOU DO NOT THINK WITH YOUR DICK. That is how you end up dead and your son ends up blinded by his own mother. We should try to find and marry a Theodora who will help us rule, not through her family connections, but through her own abilities.
Also, this option is tailored for our boy Manuel, it's literally an option unlocked by our origin.

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Anonymous ID:WWRiS1A5 Sat 23 Apr 2022 01:36:31 No.5239698 Report

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Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Sat 23 Apr 2022 04:24:20 No.5239814 Report

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>>5239361
>Such an illustrious house, despite their…proclivity for survival, no matter the cost, is rather unfortunate. Marrying a daughter of one house so well established in the senate will allow you leverage their name for your own goals. Binding your dynasty to their will ensure, at the very least for a couple of generations, they shall stand steadfast besides you.
>If the daughter is not-hot, take as concubine.

It’s simple anons. Take the daughter, become the patriarch of the family though the mysterious death of the current patriarch, and slowly turn their political influence into ours. This would deal with our influence problems with the Court and the Senate.

>>5239431
Your assuming that we’d let the reigning patriarch remain as head of the family instead of taking his position for ourselves. We can play the Game of Thrones just as well as they can.

>>5239491
Keep in mind, these are connections we can use ourselves to influence the Senate. This isn’t blindly walking into this deal, I want to commit a hostile takeover of this noble house, to use to our own ends.

Also, miserable life? Weren’t you the one that advocated for pissing off our royal guard by letting pirates take harbor in our ports? Poor card to play mate.

>>5239505
That’s why we marry in, kill the reigning ruler, and take over this noble house for ourselves. We need a solid powerbase and diplomatic presence in the Senate and the Court, and this could be it if we play our cards right.

>>5239562
>thinks dragging up obscure procedures and rules will somehow make dealing with this noble house risk free

Anon, all you’d be doing is pissing off people who are very influential in the Senate, and would still have a lot of political connections that they can fall back on. Thinking that ancient procedure will somehow save us from their wrath and revenge is foolish, you’re better off sending in our royal guard to slaughter the house wholesale, at least then we’d be safe from retribution.

>>5239579
Then you either kill the hostile empress or divorce the bitch and put her in an obscure nunnery. We don’t need to tolerate or deal with a disloyal serpent.

>>5239597
Uhh, I don’t think any of that is an accurate portrayal of reality for our MC.

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Anonymous ID:QX7yqrUV Sat 23 Apr 2022 06:01:01 No.5239875 Report

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>>5239814
>B-but I want a barbarian queen and byzantine tortuga would have been so cool

Anons are going to go full retard with the asceticism and not being willing to work with any nobles, it would appear. Yet many are head over heels for criminals and foreigners. Doesn't make much sense.

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Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Sat 23 Apr 2022 07:13:03 No.5239931 Report

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>>5239875
I know. I found it particularly funny when I realized that the same anons that want to go full on religion also think they can open up their harbors for pirates and criminals. They’re going to dive us into an early grave at the rate they’re going.

Hopefully, if we get a next ruler we’ll start making more sensible decisions next time around.

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Sat 23 Apr 2022 08:54:09 No.5240013 Report

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>>5239814
>>5239931

What I wanted was legalized piracy in the form of Privateer's, Roman legion-style auxiliaries for the fleet and marauding units working for us under oath and documentation.
The idea of a free port would transform the capital into a citadel impossible to be invaded by the sea. You want to talk shit about these choices ok, but both had palpable and real benefits besides the mentioned ones, which by the way worked in real life so yes! They would work the same the way they worked for the French and English crowns.

Seriously, I find it really funny that the same guys who created a Chinese ass system, with no regard for the nobles are talking so much shit about choices that aren't even in play.
By the way, those who actually read my proposal, know that the barbaric marriage can offer us more benefits than any noble marriage can bring us. But discussing the merits of an idea is very difficult, recognize all the flaws of your own choices even more. Seriously do you think QM will just ignore the choice of lifestyle just because you guys are pissed? Ha!
let's not forget about the other brilliant idea..Killing the parpriarch of the most influential family in the empire without any consequence, will be like the last time right? Because they would accept as the new patriarch of their traditional family a:

>Peasant, Bastard, Fanatic, Reformist, Son of a psychopathic usurper.

I trust that everything will be alright, they will become our most loyal servants, from within the grave, after painting the palace red.

Now, does anyone else have some other shit to talk about? Another justification for voting with your ass without thinking about the context of the situation? Or can the rest of us continue to use our brains to think, and not just to fill the space between our ears?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Sat 23 Apr 2022 09:26:54 No.5240033 Report

Quoted By: >>5240051

>>5240013
The loss in prestige from legalizing piracy would’ve prevented us from influencing the Senate and the Court, created a lot of enemies, from the foreign merchants to foreign nations to local nobility, and prevented us from dealing with any of the corrupt noble houses, and that does not take into account the honor-autists sperging out on us over it. You know, those same honor-autists that protect the Emperor in spite of him fucking with their court bribes and lavish meals? We’d be dead at the first bribe to the royal guard telling them to look away as the Senate gifts us a knife in the back. Clearly you aren’t taking our personal safety and health seriously.

>but muh barbarian princess
How does marrying a heretical barbarous waifu from one tribe out of hundreds solve any of our current political problems? It doesn’t solve foreign policy since one tribe doesn’t control the others, it doesn’t solve our internal nobility problem because they will riot seeing a barbarian treated as a queen over their own daughters, it doesn’t solve our military problems as the soldiers watch us literally get into bed with those who defeated and humiliated them, and this will only piss off the Patriarch, our only political ally, as we’re marrying a literal heretic of our faith. What purpose would she serve, other than to put the final nail in our coffin?

And if you in your autism think that the Noble House wouldn’t accept us as their Emperor beforehand, they ain’t gonna let us simply destroy their own powerbase via bureaucratic trickery without consequences either. The safest play is to either get them on our side, or kill them before they can muster their influence to kill us instead. Simple as.

Also, fanatic? When did we ever vote for that?! I swear, your delusions will get our MC killed relatively swiftly in his reign, autism-san.

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Sat 23 Apr 2022 09:57:02 No.5240051 Report

Quoted By: >>5240083

>>5240033
Firstly, the people affected by the change in our lives of religious origin (fanaticism) will affect the court, not the imperial bodyguards, they still eat, drink and fuck like nothing happened.

Are foreign merchants currently destroying our domestic market in addition to beating the few merchants that still exist in our nation? Seriously our biggest export products come from luxury resources, if foreign merchants don't want us to buy directly, the pirates themselves would smuggle them for even more profit, you talk as if every nation on the planet would be affected by this. Only the closest nations that are not, incidentally, our allies would be really affected by the pirates.

As for the noble and the clergy, I already said that we could offer the angle of redemption to the criminals to appease the patriarch, and the nobles, yes they would complain but their lands and their ships would not be attacked anymore. Besides, who would care if they get angry?
By sea they would no longer be a problem, because the navy that would have to fight less and the merchants who would suffer less would not join in the possible revolt. By the way, you speak as if I knew that prestige limits our actions, at the time of choosing the reform this was not explicitly stated.

Barbarian marriage, here we go again, the objective is to use them as a wall against the other barbarians, it wouldn't be to control the other tribes, it would be to prevent the other tribes from invading the empire like the Normans with the French.
The second advantage would be that they would be our allies, not allies of the empire they would be in practice our private emergency army as well as an escape route in case of an emergency. Think, if we suffered a coup d'état now, where would our dear peasant go?
Third and last, the advantages that this tribe would receive there would keep them loyal to us, among them trade, technology, emergency support where they migrated into the empire in case of emergency, which would give us a second army that it would only serve us, and that if we died the barbarians would have the right to the throne, murdering us would be out of the game. By the way I said that they would have to convert I would like to make that clear.

I want to make one thing even clearer, nobles follow the king because the king can destroy them, not because they want to. If we amass enough power the opinion they have about us would become irrelevate, you no-brainer.
It's bizarre that you think you have an argument about an option that hasn't appeared yet.

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Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Sat 23 Apr 2022 11:10:47 No.5240083 Report

Quoted By: >>5240130

>>5240051
The imperial bodyguards are apart of the Court, because we are apart of the Court. They are affected by our decisions, and it’s best to keep that in mind.

If you want to take action against foreign merchants, you should’ve advocated for conscripting them into our adhoc navy.

Again, the pirate thing comes down to a matter of prestige, and if the Emperor loses too much prestige, it is game over. The Nobles won’t hesitate to use any blunder against us if it directly benefit them, and our blunders will be weaponized against us regardless of if our policy benefits everyone involved.

First off, you ain’t gonna get a tribe big enough or loyal enough to act as our wall against other barbarians, and this is discounting the fact that we’d be spitting in Issac’s and the army’s face if we even mention the idea to them. Second, one tribe isn’t going to stop the army if it decides to come for us, and if we’re couped then we’ve effectively Game Overed anyway. Third, what stopping the tribe from taking us hostage and opening the gates to their fellow barbarians? Fourth, marrying a heretic barbarian will cause us irreparable political damage that we won’t survive from, even if it takes a while for the Senate to get into gear and the Patriarch to bless the assassin’s blade.

Fact is, we can’t amass enough power if we keep pissing of powerful factions and picking fights without a proper powerbase. The prestige of our position of Emperor is the only thing we tangible powerbase we have, we can’t keep cannibalizing it appease our other political problems without killing ourselves in the long run. The only way to amass power is to leverage our prestige, not cannibalize.

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Sat 23 Apr 2022 12:54:53 No.5240130 Report

Quoted By: >>5240150

>>5240083

Yes, it is possible to find a tribe on the border for it to prevent other tribes from crossing its lands, especially if merchants carrying food and steel are entering their lands, such as the Normans or allied Celtic tribes or even the less aggressive Turkic tribes in the case of china, the answer against barbarian invaders and always other barbarian allies.

Second, since I mentioned this option I talked about converting it to the empire religion, don't make a fool of yourself by pretending I didn't make that very clear.

A spit in the face of the army, I'm sure the general is extremely disappointed that the constant and bloody barbarian invasions will decrease, the soldiers will revolt for having a better chance of returning home in one piece, I'm sure of it.

For the barbarians to take us hostage they have to first enter the empire, which implies that they failed in their mission, or they surround us which is idiotic because we are going to send a diplomat to offer the proposal, we are not going to personally. That was the stupidest possibility I've ever seen, what do you think? This possible princess to enter the empire in front of one an army? No!
She's going in with some female escorts escorted by our bodyguards.

The bodyguards have their own barracks, they don't need or are forced to live like us, unlike the people who live at court, literally.

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Anonymous ID:QX7yqrUV Sat 23 Apr 2022 13:54:20 No.5240150 Report

Quoted By: >>5240152

>>5240130
>Malignant

Truly.

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Sat 23 Apr 2022 13:57:27 No.5240152 Report

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>>5240150
let me have some fun.

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sat 23 Apr 2022 17:29:59 No.5240336 Report

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Marriage 5

Pedanticism 9

Writing. I am back to my PC, so formatting is back.

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sat 23 Apr 2022 18:06:28 No.5240370 Report

Quoted By: >>5240374

To overtly crush such an august house, no matter how slippery, would anger the nobility, and therefore the senate, that old man’s club may not hold true power, but if all of its members rally together, they could pose a threat to you as well. Of course, not to mention that such means and methods would stain your soul. No, you’d rather have them leave their position of influence through, graceful means. Let them step down with a modicum of honour and retire to their estates.

With a plan in mind, you begin the tiresome and laborious process of comparing the official documentations, the changing of laws, expiration dates for office lengths and the like, special exemptions and chastisements. When the time comes, you will be ready. Ready for your first ever senate meeting, for which you technically do not classify, due to your lack of age, but you do hold an imperial title, so it should be acceptable. Things like these you must consider so as to ensure that your pedanticism wouldn’t be used against you.
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The ancient building in front of you oozes history, built before the empire was even an empire. It was burnt down, destroyed by earthquake, sacked by both angry mobs, emperors in need of cash or even, god forbid, a few time foreign powers. Despite all of this, the structure in some for or another remained and was rebuilt. Its white marble columns bear scratches and damage due to long exposure to the elements. The large curved roof still houses statues of pagan gods, now covered in pure white cloth, due to the coming of the one true faith their features had been covered, but it shows the cultural and spiritual import for the empire, nay, the Thephian people as a whole/ The red roof tiling, is subdued, most of its vibrant paint long since gone. You begin walking up the perfectly carved granite steps, indents on them clearly visible, each and every step has had thousands, if not tens of thousands, walk upon them.

Though the building lacks the splendour of the imperial palace, which you can easily on the other end of the royal district overlooking the senate building, like a sneering noble looking upon the filthiest of peasants, yet still needing his labour, the senate building makes up for it due to its sheer age. The idea of longevity, of continuity.

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sat 23 Apr 2022 18:07:31 No.5240374 Report

Quoted By: >>5240376

>>5240370

You cannot help but feel giddy inside. So many historic figures, great heroes, the vilest of villains. All of them moved as you do now, to the senatorial chamber. The solemn halls, floors carved out of wondrous black marble, sides facing the walls lined with silver, all polished to perfection, where you can see your own reflection marching on. The walls themselves contradict the flooring, being made of pure white marble decorated with gold. But the precious material is done in such way that it depicts maps. From the time of when Myralos was a city state, all the way to its height, further sections of the wall left bare by your hopeful ancestors that they will be filled in further by more expansion and never-ending glory. How hopeful they were, how proud, valorous, arrogant some may say, but none can deny the glory of their days.

Unfortunately, you cannot dwell on such thoughts for too long. A cadre of your bodyguards surround you as you march towards the senate chamber, and you find it slightly difficult to keep up with their march.

A few more weeks had passed since you set your plan into action, enough for the senate to assemble at your command. Prōtoproedros (senior president) Leontius had also returned, his position within the senate meaning that he had no choice but to. Last you heard, he spent some time with your uncle Photius, whose currently busy being the governor of Orospulón (east mountain), specifically the section facing the Lucenians.

You enter the chamber through its secondary entrance, leading through the second floor, going through here is strictly reserved to the emperor, and any he would allow to follow. The walls are decorated with purple banners depicting the golden head of a wolf, showcasing that only royalty may thread here. As for the chamber itself, it is a large domed room, capable of housing close to a thousand souls, even the faintest of whispers echoes to the ceiling. Gazing upon the gathered senators, each and every an august man himself, you notice many a balding, greying heads currently busy in conversation, making it seem like a market gathering than a meeting of the most powerful men in the empire.

In this myriad of voices and bodies, you can easily spot Photius, gracefully navigating his way around every man, making small talk, throwing out smiles, praises and jokes. He appears to be quite well liked.

The guards stationed at the main entrance and around the circumference of the room, on the highest stands, begin to hit their spears upon the black marble, silencing the crowd. Realising that their emperor had appeared, the senators quickly begin shuffling towards their seats and tranquillity is restored in the room. Photius steps upon the pedestal in the middle of the chamber and begins.

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sat 23 Apr 2022 18:08:32 No.5240376 Report

Quoted By: >>5240377

>>5240374

“We, the most august senate of all Thephians, greet your imperial majesty and await your wise words and guidance.” He says bowing, the rest of the senate follows him. Hundreds bow before you. But you notice with some stinging in your heart, only the first ring and small parts of the second are filled. Perhaps over a hundred men are gathered, a far cry from ages past.

“Hear our words !” You command.

“We hear !” As one shouts the senate.

“We called this session of the senate for a grave matter we have uncovered. And we believe that such a thing of import must be discussed. It has come to our attention that the thémata (placement, district) of Kósmosaspída (World shield) is currently being under illegal control of Priscian Staurakius.”

A pandemonium rises as you speak your words. Your guards begging slamming the ends of their spears onto the floor. Threat of arms quickly restoring order. “Your majesty, if this servant of your will may inquire as to why Priscian Staurakius would not be considered your most loyal governor ?”

“Based on the documentations we uncovered.” You gesture to Armentarius, who is currently on the ground floor, he begins delivering copies of the various documents you had prepared beforehand. “Edict of Leo the third, had stated that “House Staurakius shall, as long as no other candidate presents themselves fitting and able to the grace of the emperor, shall be governors of Kósmosaspída (World shield), for 5 generations.” Based on what is written here, as well as the other supplementary to documents. We would like to ask Priscian Staurakius, how far are you removed from Patricius Staurakius ?”

A pale faced man, perhaps in his late fifties, shakily rises from his seat. “He, he would be my honoured ancestor of ten generations.” Not daring to lie, he admits.

“As you, honoured men of the senate. The edict had long since expired. Many a man had also of skill presented themselves before me, able and capable of replacing those of house Staurakius. This is also not to mention that your familial line had not been appointed every decade as is law, but instead you appointed yourselves. This breach in law should be punished most harshly. However, we had decided, that due to the contribution your ancient house had given to the empire. We shall settle with just the revocation of your governorship.”

Once more, a silence in which you can hear a pin drop takes hold. Every senator seems to be scrutinizing the documents presented. You were careful to pick out everything that would support your claims, and in the end of the day, no matter what other privileges that were granted, the edict issued was never revoked and still holds power.

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sat 23 Apr 2022 18:09:33 No.5240377 Report

Quoted By: >>5240383 >>5240384 >>5240403 >>5240495 >>5240592 >>5240761

>>5240376

“With this matter concluded, we would also require you, honourable men of the senate, to halt your return to home, for a few more weeks yet, as another announcement shall be made by us. For the good of the Empire. For now, you may discuss other matters dedicated to your wisdom. We must for now bid our farewells and return to our great duties.” You say rising from your seat. All eyes in the chamber tracking you as you leave. A shiver goes down your spine. None had opposed your command, as none could find a reason to, but pushing it any further would be a poor decision. Best to let the senators to cool down for a while.
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Back in the royal office, you look over the documents prepared by your kanikleiou (keeper of the imperial inkstand). Your administrative reforms. Lines of questions about the most basic of things, and a few philosophical and theological statements here and there, you couldn’t help yourself, are written down neatly on the parchment.

“Excellent work. Are those men you questioned still in Myralos ?” You question.

“Yes, your imperial majesty. They were granted rooms in the palace, as it has plenty of space to house them. Their knowledge could be used for future tests and exams.” The man responds.

I shouldn’t be too harsh, at least now initially. Only three fourths need to be answered to successfully pass the exam.

Now, you have to decide the speed at which and how extensive the reforms shall be.

Who shall be allowed to take the exam ?

Can pick more than one.

>The senatorial class has served the empire for millennia. Their standards have slipped, but this should hopefully reinvigorate them.

>The merchants. They are educated and plentiful. Though many hold distain for men singularly obsessed with gold, their efficiency and effectiveness cannot be denied.

>The commoners. Although they are not educated in a traditional way, they are still full of wisdom and experience. They shall understand the issues plaguing the locals.

>(Write in ?)

What is to be done with your current governors ?

Can only pick one.

>They shall take the test. If they pass, they may continue to carry-on until the end of their term. Special exemptions made to those who are too important to remove, at least without causing a civil war.

>They shall all be removed, expect for those who hold too much power and their removal carries too much risk.

>Allow them to continue on as they were, but afterwards, any future appointees will have to take the exam.

>(Write in ?)

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Anonymous ID:5ntEiBE6 Sat 23 Apr 2022 18:15:13 No.5240383 Report

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Anonymous ID:Mk8wxxdk Sat 23 Apr 2022 18:17:01 No.5240384 Report

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>>5240377
>>The senatorial class has served the empire for millennia. Their standards have slipped, but this should hopefully reinvigorate them.
>>The merchants. They are educated and plentiful. Though many hold distain for men singularly obsessed with gold, their efficiency and effectiveness cannot be denied.
>>The commoners. Although they are not educated in a traditional way, they are still full of wisdom and experience. They shall understand the issues plaguing the locals.

>>They shall take the test. If they pass, they may continue to carry-on until the end of their term. Special exemptions made to those who are too important to remove, at least without causing a civil war.

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Sat 23 Apr 2022 18:55:54 No.5240403 Report

Quoted By: >>5240413 >>5240507 >>5240727 >>5240907 >>5241489

>>5240377

>The senatorial class has served the empire for millennia. Their standards have slipped, but this should hopefully reinvigorate them.
>The merchants. They are educated and plentiful. Though many hold distain for men singularly obsessed with gold, their efficiency and effectiveness cannot be denied.
>The commoners. Although they are not educated in a traditional way, they are still full of wisdom and experience. They shall understand the issues plaguing the locals.

>They shall take the test. If they pass, they may continue to carry-on until the end of their term. Special exemptions made to those who are too important to remove, at least without causing a civil war.

Class competition should keep the nobles busy for the moment, but I'd add two more points to this reform.

>The tradition of presenting a treasure directly to the Emperor after assuming a governorship will be declared over and a crime of corruption.
>A system in which productive, non-corrupt governors are entitled to salary increases after an annual review of their work. (A financial compensation to governors so they have no excuses for being corrupt.)

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Sat 23 Apr 2022 19:04:30 No.5240413 Report

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>>5240403

The first addition is intended to increase our prestige, an anti-corruption reform that affects even the throne has to be respected, even if the nobles don't claim the same in public.

The second option is a way to appease the old administrators, who will have a legitimate way to increase their salaries, allowing the honest to rise in position without losing their honor.

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Anonymous ID:Rx0+7utS Sat 23 Apr 2022 20:33:33 No.5240495 Report

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Anonymous ID:Rx0+7utS Sat 23 Apr 2022 20:49:47 No.5240507 Report

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>>5240403
This may be a good idea

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Anonymous ID:NWEMxukr Sat 23 Apr 2022 21:41:50 No.5240592 Report

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Anonymous ID:5C3NZcKs Sat 23 Apr 2022 23:40:44 No.5240727 Report

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>>5240403
I'll back this. We need some kind of incentive and raise to stem corruption.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:QX7yqrUV Sun 24 Apr 2022 00:04:09 No.5240761 Report

Quoted By: >>5241277

>>5240377
>>The senatorial class has served the empire for millennia. Their standards have slipped, but this should hopefully reinvigorate them.
>>Allow them to continue on as they were, but afterwards, any future appointees will have to take the exam.

We've been rocking the status quo too much already

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Anonymous ID:WWRiS1A5 Sun 24 Apr 2022 02:47:16 No.5240907 Report

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>>5240403
Supporting this.

Though we're opening up the test to everyone who will attempt it, it may be a good idea to only select the senatorial class for the task of administration for the moment, but we should keep a list of all that passed so we can form a proper civil service and bureaucracy later on.

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Sun 24 Apr 2022 10:09:48 No.5241277 Report

Quoted By: >>5241379

>>5240761
I understand your opinion, we are really going to have problems in the future if we continue with these aggressive reforms.But at the moment the vote is divided between the total aggressive reform, and the aggressive reform with some modifications to reduce the conflict.

Considering that it will be difficult for your option to be voted on, could you support my option being the less worse of the two? Of course it's your choice, I just don't want the "dry makeover" to completely fuck us up further down the line.

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Anonymous ID:wIRIFrOp Sun 24 Apr 2022 13:16:35 No.5241379 Report

Quoted By: >>5241425

>>5241277
>if we continue
Pft lol. Just adding fuel to the fire at this point.

Besides, nothing wrong with those under us paying tribute, and having a salary for governors? On top of the money they make from being governor? That seems foolish and a waste of money, and you think this will make people less inclined to be corrupt? Were you not crying about us not having enough money earlier? And now you want to cut income and piss away more?

Your idea is in fact worse than the other, you're not easing anything, just wasting money thinking you can have your cake and eat it too.

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Sun 24 Apr 2022 14:25:45 No.5241425 Report

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>>5241379

>I don't remember asking for your opinion.

If the objective of this reform is to reduce corruption, condemning one of the most well-known forms of corruption involving the Imperial house wouldn't make the effort stop being hypocritical and become genuine?
Our reputation is bad enough so we attack the nobility in their privileges of ruling the provinces while our own corruption runs rampant? This seems to me to be the worst case scenario, they might really revolt if that happens.

The objective of rewarding a job well done among governors is intended to reduce the appeal of corruption, people are greedy and there is nothing we can do to change that, but to give an alternative to satiate that greed without destroying functionality and trust in the Imperial administration, it will be worth the increased cost of administration.
Remember if it's an option it's because our treasury can handle it, by the way do you know the value of these salary increases? We're talking maybe 5% a year increase, 10% if the governor is a genius, in which case he pays for himself by increasing efficiency. In fact, these increases would only occur for governors who surpass the national average, it would not be a uniform increase.

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sun 24 Apr 2022 15:56:36 No.5241489 Report

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Alright, so every social class will be allowed to take the exam.

Existing governors will have to take the exam as well or lose their position, expect those whose removal is far too sensitive.

As well as this >>5240403 write in about reducing corruption.

Writing.

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sun 24 Apr 2022 18:16:39 No.5241618 Report

Quoted By: >>5241620

You had slides over the documents, the sound of a quill scratching against parchment fills the room. The foundation of your new system of governance, system of administration is being completed before your eyes by your very hands.

Every man within the empire, will have the opportunity to take the exam to become a part of imperial administration. Every governor, that you feel is safe to remove, will be made to take the exam. You shall give them a month to prepare for it, otherwise you might face a backlash and be decried as a tyrant trying to unlawfully remove men essential for the empire’ survival.

And to prevent that, you have another law drafted besides the examination. Anti-corruption law. The “gifts” delivered to the emperor upon someone’s accession as governor. No one can call you corrupt, nor can anyone call you greedy, putting your own interests above those of the people.

There’s of course the need to throw a bone to these powerful men of the empire, whilst ensuring efficiency. A system of progressively increasing salary, the better a théma (placement, district) does, the more the governor will earn. Provincial outputs shall be averaged, and those who earn more shall be proportionately rewarded. You of course will have to set up an entire officer for inspections, for no doubt some data will be fabricated, especially in the early years, but that is a matter for later, a matter after the exam will be put into law.

You cannot help but smile as you lift up Nómos tis exétasis (Law of examination). The first true law that you passed. In it is included the need for examinations for every administrative position, a series of anti-corruption reforms as well as the various means of appeasing the nobility to make your changes…more acceptable. After all, it is a something that they had done for over a thousand years, without any large-scale shake-up.

Looking up from your desk, darkness had fallen once again. You can finally realize why the royal office is a home in and of itself, as you spent more time here than anywhere else within the palace. Not even your own bedroom had been grace by your presence for so long as the old desk in front of you.

Tomorrow. Yes, tomorrow. With this, the decay will begin to heal. You cannot help but smile.

Pondering, you decide that you shall sleep in your bedchamber, you need to stretch your legs, as your entire body feels stiff from sitting for so long. You are not a weak man, no peasant is. You’ve seen your fair share of hard manual labour, but now you feel the desire to exercise, as means to stave away the hours, literal days, you’ve spent sitting.

Maybe I should drop by the gymnasium ? You ponder as you leave your office.

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sun 24 Apr 2022 18:17:40 No.5241620 Report

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>>5241618

Looking around, you realize just how silent it is. With so many of the servants and courtiers gone, you’ve gotten slowly used to it, but as your steps echo as you walk, you feel something, wrong. An instinctual reaction. It is silent, yes. But even in the tranquillity of the night, you could make out the sound of metal scratching metal. Your guards on patrol, or merely shifting in their places. But now ? There is nothing but an eerie silence. The oil lamps have also not been changed, something that would be done every few hours.

Perhaps it is merely paranoia, lack of sleep and your never irritable due to your immense work, but it is better to be safe than sorry. You move with large steps, reaching the kitchen, unsurprisingly, you are able to find a knife, grabbing it with your right, you proceed to hide it in your rather loose sleeve. Moving onwards, you reach the main door. You hear nothing on the other side. Slowly you open the door, looking left and right, you realize that there is no one here. No guards, no servants, no courtiers, no one but you.

This fact further heightens your senses, as you begin to look down the dark corridors. If there are assassins after you, this place, as well as your bedchamber, would be the most dangerous places for you to be.

The barracks, I have to find Armentarius.

You begin quickly moving, maybe you should move slowly ? Or perhaps just be normal ? Maybe the assassins are already watching you ? You don’t know, you were never one for conflict, at least one that did not involve debate, so you will have to make do.

Coming close to reaching a junction in the corridor. You suddenly smell it. The smell whenever a pig would be slaughtered, or a rat killed by you that had tried to eat your foodstuffs. The scent of blood. Your steps come to a near halt, as you slowly inch your way forwards, peering over the corner. You find no body, but there are droplets of blood. Fresh blood. Here at least, some of the oil lamps still provide light, if ever so dim.

Swallowing, you strengthen your grip on the kitchen knife. And begin to move slowly. With shaky steps, you reach an inner garden, the walls disappear and are replaced by arches allowing for moonlight to trickle in, the dying moon providing little illumination, but enough to make out a scene in front of you. One of the Scholae (School), standing over the body of another, his blade dripping with blood. Is this the assassins ? Or is it one of your loyal guards ? As you observe the man, you find something odd, a golden armband around his left arm.

He seems to be looking over his surroundings, and then, he turns towards you !

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sun 24 Apr 2022 18:18:43 No.5241622 Report

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>>5241620

>Hide ! The walls still reach around half of your height, if you crouch down, he won’t be able to spot you, hopefully. For once, a waning moon may help you.

>Attack him ! He is clearly distracted, all you need is a moment !

>Boldly walk out and demand an explanation to what is happening. He is your man, isn’t he ?

>Run ! Head towards the barracks, the only possibly safe place in the palace !

>No, you should run towards the gate, get out of the palace at all costs !

>(Write in)

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Anonymous ID:5ntEiBE6 Sun 24 Apr 2022 18:25:42 No.5241630 Report

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>>5241622
>Hide ! The walls still reach around half of your height, if you crouch down, he won’t be able to spot you, hopefully. For once, a waning moon may help you.

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Anonymous ID:Rx0+7utS Sun 24 Apr 2022 18:26:42 No.5241631 Report

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>>5241622
>Run ! Head towards the barracks, the only possibly safe place in the palace!
FUCK FUCK FUCK
DOUBLE OUR SECURITY FORCES IF WE SURVIVE THIS SHIT.

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Anonymous ID:UBr4B5/G Sun 24 Apr 2022 18:26:43 No.5241632 Report

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>>5241622
>Run ! Head towards the barracks, the only possibly safe place in the palace !

I'm guessing the golden armband are identifiers for the conspirators to know who is friendly and who is foe.

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Sun 24 Apr 2022 18:27:46 No.5241633 Report

Quoted By: >>5241650

>>5241620

>Hide ! The walls still reach around half of your height, if you crouch down, he won’t be able to spot you, hopefully. For once, a waning moon may help you.

Whoever he is, the physique of an assassin will always win against that of a glorified cleric. It is if he is not an enemy, the shame will be less.

Whoever it is, after he leaves our line of sight we'll run to the bodyguard barracks. That's what the dog was going to be for.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UBr4B5/G Sun 24 Apr 2022 18:46:35 No.5241650 Report

Quoted By: >>5241665 >>5241669

>>5241633
I was gonna vote for hiding but I changed my mind at the last minute as I made the assumption that him turning towards us wasn't just him checking for noise or for something out of his peripheral vision but him in fact seeing us.

After the all, the text states that we are not merely peering around the corner of the junction but seemingly moved into the garden, if we are just there gawking not behind something already and he looks at us then surely he can see us already? I'd rather have a head start.

While agree that this assassin is certainly more physically able than us, I disagree that we couldn't outrun him. I generally think the back-lash from history/HEMA enthusiasts (or those even read about such things as a hobby or as a shallow affectation or to live vicariously through others who dunk on things they don't like in a fit of counter-bandwagoning) regarding how much armour doesn't impede movement is overdone. Anyone who actually has tried moving with 40 or 60 pounds of gear on them (even medieval armour which is generally more form-fitting) should realise that having the flexibility to have a sword fight or being able to jog in armour isn't the same as being able to sprint and sustain a run. Literally a skinny teenager who doesn't work out or do any cardio could outrun someone equipped like our guards are with a headstart, and we are more fit than that.

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Sun 24 Apr 2022 19:04:08 No.5241665 Report

Quoted By:

>>5241650

ok ok i change my vote, i hope you are right, or that he is not an enemy and that our paranoia is attacking but anyway. May the shepherd protect us.

+1:
>>5241632

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:S1Wf1zxT Sun 24 Apr 2022 19:08:58 No.5241669 Report

Quoted By: >>5241685 >>5241820 >>5241916

>>5241622
>No, you should run towards the gate, get out of the palace at all costs!
Something is very, very funky here. While ordinarily the barracks would be the safest place, something's very wrong with the palace staff. The common staff are MIA and the guards are absent, which suggests to me that they are most likely compromised to some degree. While I still trust Armentarius, I don't think the barracks is a safe place either.

I would vote to hide but >>5241650 makes a good point on being spotted.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Sun 24 Apr 2022 19:17:35 No.5241685 Report

Quoted By: >>5241697

>>5241669

The chance of escaping through multiple lines of guards from the center of the palace to the exit is very low. By the way, where would we go in the capital to get protection?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:S1Wf1zxT Sun 24 Apr 2022 19:30:33 No.5241697 Report

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>>5241685
We have no idea where we are in the palace right now, and as far as we can tell all the guards are MIA. Hell, going to the gate, at least we might finally find someone.
There will be a city garrison and military posts outside, but as far as I care going to the barracks could be walking us right into the arms of whoever seems to be trying to take over the palace.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:B8WkQ91q Sun 24 Apr 2022 19:44:54 No.5241717 Report

Quoted By:

>>5241622
>>Attack him ! He is clearly distracted, all you need is a moment !

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UBr4B5/G Sun 24 Apr 2022 21:16:08 No.5241820 Report

Quoted By:

>>5241669
I mean...I don't disagree with you that it is possible that the barracks may be in turncoat hands, but I don't even know where we'd go in the city. We aren't familiar with it or its people, we don't know if we can trust the city guard any more than anyone else, the only place I could think of is with the patriarch.

Frankly, I think we just have to try and find Armentarius, because if he isn't loyal then we are dead no matter what anyways.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Sun 24 Apr 2022 22:20:44 No.5241904 Report

Quoted By:

>>5241622
>Run ! Head towards the barracks, the only possibly safe place in the palace !

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:LOy3TP0+ Sun 24 Apr 2022 22:29:26 No.5241916 Report

Quoted By:

>>5241669
If our guards have turned on us completely we’re fucked

We have no strong supporter base yet other than the Church. We rule through legitimacy - not wealth, arms or fear.

If we leave the city we could rally a few supporters to our cause, but I doubt enough to matter. Our reign is too new.

Voting for:
>Run ! Head towards the barracks, the only possibly safe place in the palace!

If we survive this, we need to augment our personal guard significantly.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oPI2nu+n Mon 25 Apr 2022 00:41:03 No.5242084 Report

Quoted By: >>5242104

>>5241622
>>No, you should run towards the gate, get out of the palace at all costs !

Lol eat shit retards, maybe you want to rethink those radical reforms now? If the virgin emperor even survives that is.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ACd8Q5Iv Mon 25 Apr 2022 00:58:16 No.5242104 Report

Quoted By: >>5242118 >>5242644

>>5242084
Yeah they basically killed themselves
>deprived the guards of comforts
>took power from the nobility
>preached at everyone in the court as a new emperor
>never established a powerbase
>didn't bribe the soldiers
>made no marriage alliances
>radical changes only days into our rule

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:WWRiS1A5 Mon 25 Apr 2022 01:14:03 No.5242118 Report

Quoted By: >>5242145 >>5242264

>>5241622
>Run ! Head towards the barracks, the only possibly safe place in the palace !

>>5242104
We saw a problem and we attempted to fix it. It's the empire's fault it's too entrenched in its own corruption and opulence.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oPI2nu+n Mon 25 Apr 2022 01:38:09 No.5242145 Report

Quoted By:

>>5242118
Accept responsibility for your actions.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ACd8Q5Iv Mon 25 Apr 2022 03:25:24 No.5242264 Report

Quoted By:

>>5242118
Fixing it would mean surviving and actually consolidating power effectively to make lasting changes. Notice every great Emperor has first solidified a powerbase? And often they used factions against each other.

Rather than demand immediate ascetic meritocracy we should have established factions and allies. Played houses against each other and worked to form a core of support and influence across the empire.

Making rash sweeping changes days into your reign without any support is essentially suicide.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ACd8Q5Iv Mon 25 Apr 2022 03:36:23 No.5242273 Report

Quoted By: >>5242539 >>5242581

Instead of declaring just straight asceticism we ahould have gradually geared down the pomp, had the priests preach the virtues of modesty and humility. Honour those who comply with minor gifts and titles, have proests educate young nobles etc.

Next rather than depose a powerful well located house with no backing we ough to have looked into their rivals or offered them another grant of land. Depose an unpopular governor and give away that title. Literally anything else but just stepping all over the senate. And before doing any of that we ought to have gone and met with the more minor senate houses and factions in the priesthood and army. Pulled together a aupport base of people who act as clients to us then used them to get them slowly entrenched in the bureaucracy. Given them areas of control and had a new system implemented first in the those regions. Take years to build up that support base and legitimacy for new practices while gradually defanging or playing our rivals off against each other.

You can't rush Byzantine politics it's a pure kino slow burn, you gotta take time and act carefully.

Even if we survive this you guys are headed directly into a civil war or more plots. These people aren't liberal minded americans and you can't build a new system over night. Even then you should only allow patricians to hold major office they actually have a support base, influence, and an existing claim. Essentially they can carry their own authority to get things done.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:NWEMxukr Mon 25 Apr 2022 10:19:35 No.5242532 Report

Quoted By:

>>5241622
>Run ! Head towards the barracks, the only possibly safe place in the palace!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:cm5cpIu4 Mon 25 Apr 2022 10:34:00 No.5242539 Report

Quoted By: >>5242581

>>5241622
>Hide ! The walls still reach around half of your height, if you crouch down, he won’t be able to spot you, hopefully. For once, a waning moon may help you.

Welp, can’t wait to play the next MC, maybe this time anons will be less autistic as Emperor. lol

>>5242273
Agreed, they fucked up badly. I would love as blank slate restart, but anons would probably fuck us up again.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oPI2nu+n Mon 25 Apr 2022 12:06:18 No.5242581 Report

Quoted By: >>5252214

>>5242273
>>5242539

It doesn't even matter if this autist survives really, let's play whatever chad instigated this coup to dethrone the virgin emperor.

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Mon 25 Apr 2022 13:35:54 No.5242644 Report

Quoted By: >>5242651 >>5243154

>>5242104

It had been a long time since I had read so much cancer in written form, let's go point by point.

>The guards have their own barracks, they do not feed at court, they are not forbidden to leave the Palace to go to whorehouses, no aspect of their lives has been altered by our personal choices. They exclusively affected the noble "flies", who always live in the Palace around the Emperor.

>The administrative reform hasn't been approved yet, exclusively speaking we just took power away from a specific family, they weren't killed they were exiled. In fact, we saved the life of a member of the most important family in the empire instead of blaming him for the murder of the former emperor.

>Saying how we are going to govern the nation is preaching? You talk as if all emperors are atheists and they don't announce what their government will be like, I don't want to attack the handicapped mentally tell me are you one of them?

>Yes we didn't build a power base in a month of government, by the way the eunuchs that were "cleaned", the patriarch's support is the recent reform of the navy that leaves us on good terms with the admiral are what? Acts without self-interest, good will?

>Increasing the bodyguards' salary was indeed an option mentioned, how many of the bitches complaining voted for her?

>We had ONE marriage option and everyone with a little gray matter wise that was a horrible idea, you love me but damn your fetish for nobles disgusts me.

>The decision to close the capital gates until we resolve the succession crisis? Do you at least have a sense of time?

If the quest ends fine, I'll admit that caring about reviving the empire is a mistake. But if we get out of this alive, we'll prove that the peasant emperor is a little more than everyone imagines him to be.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oPI2nu+n Mon 25 Apr 2022 13:49:06 No.5242651 Report

Quoted By: >>5242673 >>5242765 >>5242820

>>5242644
>I'll admit that caring about reviving the empire is a mistake

Another one who can't admit he was wrong.

Its not that reform was a bad idea, you people simply had bad ideas.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Mon 25 Apr 2022 14:21:03 No.5242673 Report

Quoted By:

>>5242651

To think that only your ideas are the correct ones is proof of how narsisite you are that other noble fetishist is. Our character will always be persecuted for many reasons, and no choice we can make will change that, including trying to be something we will never be, NOBILITY.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:WWRiS1A5 Mon 25 Apr 2022 16:16:40 No.5242765 Report

Quoted By:

>>5242651
We had an attempt on our life before we even entered the capital and there was a plot to make us a simple puppet emperor as well. Imagining that those two attempts would be the only challenges we face to our reign would be foolish. Malignant anon may be malignant, but he's not stupid.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CwNFrDei Mon 25 Apr 2022 17:32:30 No.5242820 Report

Quoted By:

>>5242651
Here's a reminder that we, the voices inside current emperor's head, are fallible.
Why aren't all the concensus ideas we come up with good? Well we are A FUCKING PEASANT given the reigns of an empire. Granted, we are a pretty educated one but we are not perfect and had 0 experience the second we came unto the crown.

As Malignant has pointed out both church and navy at least like us; and they aren't going to throw the dice at another emperor, its not a powebase but its a start.
Speaking of, maybe we could take a chill pill on the piety or churchheadguy will eventually come asking for witch hunts, not against them but one that will be detrimental.

>Run like a bitch to the barracks.
I think we could stick to the plan on this one to be honest, find our chad bodyguard (not Armenius, where is he from anyways) Armentarius, he could have easily let us die on the way into the capital so he's someone we can sorta trust our preachy femboy ass to.

And yes, I had to ruin my whole statement with that because I find it funny

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:t2cEyZfT Mon 25 Apr 2022 18:36:46 No.5242866 Report

Quoted By:

>Run ! Head towards the barracks, the only possibly safe place in the palace !

im a little leary of running off to the barracks as it seems our would be killers have some level of influence among the staff to have all the servents(along with the disguised/possibly traitor guards fuck off but i don't see a much better option

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:o2x+OelT Mon 25 Apr 2022 19:52:56 No.5242962 Report

Quoted By:

We should probably spend some time on physical conditioning after this if the opportunity is there
>RUN

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Mon 25 Apr 2022 20:36:11 No.5243013 Report

Quoted By:

Hide 2

Barracks 9

Gate 2

Attack 1

Just run 1

Barracks win decisively.

Writing.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Mon 25 Apr 2022 21:36:39 No.5243058 Report

Quoted By: >>5243060

Your instincts are telling you to run, like a frightened hare, you begin moving as fast as you can. Good that you did, as the man had clearly seen you. Suddenly, something wizzes by your ear, the man’s axe sails over your head, missing you by the slimmest of margins.

If nothing else, that encourages you to run even faster, you feel your lungs burning as your sprint gets ever swifter, you are gasping for breath, wind is filling your ears. But, as you move, the sound of armour rubbing against armour, the ringing of chainmail, the impacts of armoured boots upon the floor, gets ever more muted, until, eventually, just as you are about to collapse from the strain upon your legs. You realize that you’ve lost the man. No doubt that he is trying to keep his pace with you, and no doubt he is doing a better job than you, but his armour, whilst providing great protection, still weighs him down. With a well-conditioned body, no doubt that he will catch up to you, but you’ve broken free from his sight. It is the moment to act. You cannot afford to sneak around, no doubt the noise you made had already attracted your would-be assailants.

Forcing your aching feet to move, you navigate the labyrinth known as the imperial palace. With near five thousand rooms in the palace alone, not counting the royal district as a whole, you could perhaps spend your entire life here and still not see every nook and cranny. But you had memorised the most important places. Studying had always been your strong-suit after all. Running, for what seems like an eternity, you had not encountered any living spirit, but what you had seen made you sick to the bone. Some of the servants, their mangled bodies thoughtlessly thrown to the side, litter the corridors. The lucky ones having received a single blow to the head from a mace, others, others a clearly tortured. But you cannot see a reason why would someone do it, they are simple servants, not fighters, not politicians, they are a threat to no one. Yet here they lay, their bodies cold and mutilated for nothing more than perverse pleasure by whomever committed such a thing. And some of the female servants, their ripped dresses and tear covered faces tell you everything you need to know about their last moment before their deaths.

Was this done by my bodyguards ? My former bodyguards, committing such monstrous acts for no rhyme nor reason ?

Edging ever closer, you finally reach an open field, a paved brick road, on the sides surrounded by well-maintained chess high shrubbery, their dark green needless covered by a thin layer of white snow. Your own ragged breath becomes visible in the cold winter night, you feel a shiver as your thin clothing does nothing to protect your sweat-soaked body from the chill.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Mon 25 Apr 2022 21:37:40 No.5243060 Report

Quoted By: >>5243062

>>5243058

Just three hundred meters, just three hundred meters and I will reach the barracks. Armentarius is there, and he is already rallying those faithful and loyal men to fight against these traitors. You try to think positive thoughts, as snow seeps through your slippers.

Approaching the building, you find that all of the lights have gone out, the massive stables, capable of housing a thousand horses, just how the barracks is able to do the same, are also dark, but you can make out the sound of horses, many horses. Quickly poking around the corner, you notice that the larges tables are full, but no men appear to be present.

Hopefully someone went to the other three barracks around the city. And hopefully those men are not part of this conspiracy.

You think whilst carefully approaching the door, which hangs slightly ajar, with uneasy settling in your stomach, you slowly open it. The door creaks and the slight illumination of the moon shows you a most macabre sight. Men, in their tunics, sat around diner tables, all covered in blood. Their bodies pale. You begin to shiver and shake. Taking a step inside, you look over the corpses. Most of them seem to have vomited blood, other have clear stabbing wounds, or skulls caved in by maces, eyes hanging out of their sockets, jaws crushed and teeth scattered all over the floor, entrails hanging from those who were carved up like pigs. Bodies in unnatural positions, their limbs twisted and broken.

You retch your night-time snacks onto the floor. You feel weak, your head spins and you shake, the cold now replaced by dread.

These men, they must have been loyal to you, or at the very least unwilling to commit regicide. And now they are all dead. Experts of battle, veterans of war, the best of the best within the empire. Murdered by their own. And for what ? Greed ? Envy ? Hatred ? You’ve done nothing but try and fix the empire, you tried your best to do the right thing, thus, all of these men had to die.

No, there must still be those loyal to me out there, somewhere. The office !

You rush upwards to the second floor of the barracks, the main office for Armentarius. Everything around you is a blur until you reach the door, you slam it open. Looking around, you know not what to feel, as the office is in fact empty.

Is he a part of the conspiracy ? Has he died already ? Maybe he was pulled away ? Perhaps right now, as I am standing here, Armentarius is gathering men to make a comeback. You cannot help it, your mind continuous to race.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Mon 25 Apr 2022 21:38:41 No.5243062 Report

Quoted By: >>5243066 >>5243072 >>5243074 >>5243078 >>5243089 >>5243115 >>5243119 >>5243143 >>5243191 >>5243230 >>5243305 >>5243348 >>5243607

>>5243060

But as you stand in the office, you can make something out. Clashing of steel. Moving closer to the window, you throw it open, allowing the cold air to surge inwards once more. You begin to listen closely…yes, clashing of steel, aaand shouts ! Someone is shouting, someone is fighting. The direction, it is towards the main gate. The frequency of the clashes, and the different voices indicate that a battle is currently ongoing.

Perhaps that would be the safest place for you to go to ? Then again, you would be entering combat without any information. It is possible that those fighting are the conspirators, assuming that you are already dead, they must’ve turned against each other to determine whom shall sit on the throne.

Can be picked alongside others.
>You are in the barracks, though it pains your heart that so many men are dead, their equipment is still there. Their armour, their weapons, their shields. You cannot keep running around like this, it will take you along time, since you are unused to it, but you can equip yourself, for whatever good that might do.

>To the gate ! You must take your chances.

>No, you shall stay here. You doubt that anyone will think that you went here, and even if you did, they would assume that you would leave after seeing the corpses. Shepherd willing.

>The eunuchs. Since you are outside already, you could go to their quarters, after you got rid of the rot that festered there, no doubt that they will assist you, if they still live that is.

>(Write in)

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:LOy3TP0+ Mon 25 Apr 2022 21:44:32 No.5243066 Report

Quoted By: >>5243119 >>5243127 >>5243258 >>5243348 >>5243353

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Mk8wxxdk Mon 25 Apr 2022 21:51:54 No.5243072 Report

Quoted By: >>5243191

>>5243062
>>(Write in)

Go to the cathedral of Patriarch Anatolius. He is the most trustworthy man we have.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Mon 25 Apr 2022 21:53:37 No.5243074 Report

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Anonymous

Anonymous ID:vSe1EZ2q Mon 25 Apr 2022 21:56:08 No.5243078 Report

Quoted By: >>5243353

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:YR/KtVy4 Mon 25 Apr 2022 22:12:17 No.5243089 Report

Quoted By:

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:S1Wf1zxT Mon 25 Apr 2022 22:36:46 No.5243115 Report

Quoted By: >>5243353

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UBr4B5/G Mon 25 Apr 2022 22:43:45 No.5243119 Report

Quoted By: >>5243353

>>5243062
Supporting >>5243066

Weapon and shield, no armour, or at least take the lightest armour for our limbs if we do take any armour. We aren't winning a fight with anyone, all these arms are for are delaying our death until we can start running away.

The conspirators would've worked out ahead of time who they wanted on the throne, or even if that isn't the case the guards executing the would-be usurpers will are acting on a transactional basis in all likelihood, or in other words: they are not doing this all of a sudden and aren't gonna break out in a fight over who should be emperor next in the middle of their assassination attempt they are simply bribed traitors or those who have familial connections that would prompt them to betray us.

So, that means if I'm right that the fighting is between our loyalists and the traitors, not between different traitor groups.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:o2x+OelT Mon 25 Apr 2022 22:47:55 No.5243126 Report

Quoted By:

>You are in the barracks, though it pains your heart that so many men are dead, their equipment is still there. Their armour, their weapons, their shields. You cannot keep running around like this, it will take you along time, since you are unused to it, but you can equip yourself, for whatever good that might do.
>To the gate ! You must take your chances.
We will need to do some housecleaning if we survive this.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:o2x+OelT Mon 25 Apr 2022 22:49:01 No.5243127 Report

Quoted By:

>>5243066
Supporting this in regards to armor

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oPI2nu+n Mon 25 Apr 2022 22:59:51 No.5243143 Report

Quoted By:

>>5243062
>>(Write in)
Swan dive out the window

Let's get this show on with the real emperor

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ACd8Q5Iv Mon 25 Apr 2022 23:08:37 No.5243154 Report

Quoted By: >>5243191 >>5243198 >>5243353

>>5242644
I never claimed that reforms were bad i only stated to do so quickly without a support base was foolish and useless ultimately.

The generals are all nobles or in the pockets of a noble family, many are part of the court. The soldiers are not exempted from any changes i saw.

I never claimed that all emperors are atheists only that we as a newly sworn in peasant started our rule by preaching and moralizing making enemies.

As for the rest of it factions vaguely liking us wasn't a support base and we didnt exactly look into wife options deeply. We acted on reforms without expressing any urge to build up to them. An emperor with no legion means nothing, a general with a legion has actual power.

This is occuring because we shook the boat too quickly and without a strong position.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oPI2nu+n Mon 25 Apr 2022 23:44:04 No.5243186 Report

Quoted By: >>5243191

If this emperor even survives, so much of the tagmata dead or turned traitor we're pretty much fucked anyways

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:5C3NZcKs Mon 25 Apr 2022 23:51:24 No.5243191 Report

Quoted By: >>5243257 >>5243265 >>5243353

>>5243062
>You are in the barracks, though it pains your heart that so many men are dead, their equipment is still there. Their armour, their weapons, their shields. You cannot keep running around like this, it will take you along time, since you are unused to it, but you can equip yourself, for whatever good that might do.
>To the gate ! You must take your chances.
and >>5243072
Use the armor as a disguise if we have to if the loyalists are losing. If we must retreat to the cathedral.

>>5243154
Our strongest support base was actually the church which we aligned ourselves right away(whom we specifically asked to recommend and staff key palace positions) and the commoners. Rebuilding the navy would also eventually rebuild the military and merchant support. We never actually did anything to outright turn on the nobility because we knew that wouldn't have been advisable. We never even outright purged them when reforming the bureaucracy(only threw in some competition they can still even keep their positions) and only suppressed a single noble family around the capital to cover our own ass. All things considered, we have been nothing but merciful to the nobles by giving them an easy way out because we knew they despised us.

Our reign is one in which the Church is heavily favored. So they love us and are our most important backers by far.

>>5243186
We have the Church to fall back on but that would mean even more zealots. If we accept promoting commoners and merchants that can buy time but the nobility is gonna be so pissed. In terms of military, we are so fucked though.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:NWEMxukr Mon 25 Apr 2022 23:54:59 No.5243198 Report

Quoted By: >>5243228 >>5243257

>>5243154
we had already an assasination attempt, i think they wanted us gone before and still want us now. The ones that wanted our death probably didn't really changed too much their minds about us, they where probably wondering when to strike next.
The reforms ? I don't think they had that much of an impact, not enough for justify the massacre in the palace at the moment. Who the hell kills the entire court just for the stuff we did ? Beside the rest of the empire knows there was need to reform and changes, our court cleaning was needed because we did not have money. And the imperial court, was what courtseans and entertainers ? Landed nobility is not part of them for the most, they don't have to be every day in our court. So we did throw out people that we can't simply afford.
The empire is in a bad situation, our enemies likely just want to keep the status quo of their lives forever (meaning a corrupted and weak empire, so a conspiracy made up by corrupted, weak and likely depraved men because that's the kind of people our boy is hurting at the moment). They would have react with similar violence and a sudden attack, even if we where slower in our work on purpose. I believe they didn't like us from the first day.
Hell, let's be honest they might hate us even because we are the bastard of the previous bloodthirsty emperor that no doubt killed many of their family members. In fact our father legacy could be a big reason.

And a short of time has passed so is not really a lot of time for build a great support.
This said if we survive even a second attempt it would be quite cool.
The qm also said it was only the start. Let's see what happens next first
And honestly if they show their bloody hands, and we win, we can use it for our advantage.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ACd8Q5Iv Tue 26 Apr 2022 00:21:11 No.5243228 Report

Quoted By: >>5243265

>>5243198
You removed a very old noble and powerful house from it's lands and essentially did it infront of all of them. Then wrote a law turning the empire which those families have governed for centures into a meritocracy where peasants can rise above them. And finally the emperor is a literal bastard peasant son of a tyrant preaching austerity and such to corrupt scheming nobles.

No attempt to forge alliances of convenience or marriages was even made. It was straight up dad dies time for sweeping reforms.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:3SI9EaN8 Tue 26 Apr 2022 00:21:40 No.5243230 Report

Quoted By:

obviously we deserve to die for playing as Mary Sue. but maybe we'll survive
>>5243062
>To the gate ! You must take your chances.
Nothing to it but to do it.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oPI2nu+n Tue 26 Apr 2022 00:47:00 No.5243257 Report

Quoted By: >>5243265

>>5243191
>We have the Church to fall back on but that would mean even more zealots.

IF we had a mob of religious zealots they would be slaughter by professional troops. With our tagmata being blown out it's over, if anyone wants to seize power we're done. Assuming this doesn't end with the virgin emperor meeting his justified death.

>>5243198
Sure people wanted us gone to begin with, then the autist brigade reared back and field goal kicked the hornets nest, what do you people not understand about this?

Sure, first we squeezed the merchants to get us some funds, good call. Then we spazzed out with austerity nonsense. Investing in the navy? Good call. Then, we tried to be some dumbass putting our finger an inch away from the most powerful nobles in the capitals face saying I'm not touching you.

Hurr hurr I'm being a pedantic shit and I'm technically correct what do you mean you're about to stab me????

Fucking idiocy, imagine if you tards had gotten the pirate haven nonsense going, the tagmata wouldn't even be killing each other.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:WWRiS1A5 Tue 26 Apr 2022 00:48:03 No.5243258 Report

Quoted By: >>5243353

>>5243066
Support.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:NWEMxukr Tue 26 Apr 2022 00:59:22 No.5243265 Report

Quoted By: >>5244592

>>5243228
We removed only one, and it was done in quite a pacific manner. We could have done far worse like taking all their money, humiliate them or killing all of them. It also was a message to the senate that we are active, and have used a different method than our father.
Ok two other class of people can rise on positions that aren't even hereditary, but nobles aren't brutally murder or kicked out by their estates while this happens. So what about the military ? What we do with all the ones that are capable but not of noble blood ?
And even so >>5243191 like this anon said it was just adding some competition. Since the nobility can usually afford a great education, they have still plenty of advantages.
>literal bastard peasant son of a tyrant
The reason they hate us, we hardly preach around, it was more talking with the people. I doubt he ever believed corrupted nobles would care. But others ? They might like that message. Our emperor works for the most, a lot.
Him ensuring some first reforms are done shows that he is someone capable. Alliances and marriages shouldn't be done hastly. And dad left quite the mess.

>>5243257
Good call ? It was the only call, and it's not enough for all we need to do. Nonsense yeah we can't afford them, and we are better without them. Nobles kickout their own courtseans and entertainers all the time too. I think we can do that as the emperor as well.
And nobles for the most are fine. One noble house is not the entire senate, and they are hardly the only political faction in the senate.
I didn't even vote for the pirates lol.

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Anonymous ID:o2x+OelT Tue 26 Apr 2022 01:03:49 No.5243268 Report

Quoted By: >>5243270 >>5244177

>The Imperium of Thephians ain't free. All roads lead to Myralos and gotta be littered with the blood of Conspirators. The Gold armbands and Scholae Tagmata are not my friends. They are Staurakius sleeper agents and probably Lucenian as well. :DD It's Autism and Autocrat not Eunuch and Puppet okay. Praise the Shepard our Lord.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:3SI9EaN8 Tue 26 Apr 2022 01:07:11 No.5243270 Report

Quoted By: >>5243310

>>5243268
THEY STABB ME IN A BENIS FUGG :DDD :d

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:B8WkQ91q Tue 26 Apr 2022 01:39:37 No.5243305 Report

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>>5243062
>>You are in the barracks, though it pains your heart that so many men are dead, their equipment is still there. Their armour, their weapons, their shields. You cannot keep running around like this, it will take you along time, since you are unused to it, but you can equip yourself, for whatever good that might do.

>No, you shall stay here.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:NWEMxukr Tue 26 Apr 2022 01:41:53 No.5243310 Report

Quoted By: >>5243419

>>5243270
>"ANON GRRR NOOOO! YOU COLD HEARTED BASTARD ! BLACKGUARD ! HOW COULD YOU KICKOUT COURTIER DEGENERATICUS FATMATICUS OBESICKTOR ! HE WAS FUNDAMENTAL IN THE BALANCE AND PEACE OF THE EMPIRE WHILE PIRATES RAID US, ROADS ARE IN DISUSE, PEOPLE ARE DESPERATE, HERESY AND PAGANS WALK THE LAND, THE TREASURY HAS TAKEN A VACATION, CORRUPTION IS WIDESPREAD, NOBLES DO NOTHING AND REBELS TAKE OUR LANDS ! NOW WHO WILL EAT THE 14TH SERVING OF ROASTED PIG, INSIDE BOAR, INSIDE A COW COVERED IN GOLD LEAFS ?! WHO UH ?!"

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:sqYIe7aZ Tue 26 Apr 2022 02:08:02 No.5243348 Report

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>>5243062
>>5243066
Support

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Tue 26 Apr 2022 02:16:24 No.5243353 Report

Quoted By: >>5243419

>>5243154
I will answer all of this if we survive this attack.

>>5243066
>>5243078
>>5243115
>>5243119
>>5243191
>>5243258
The gate is a trap, the conspirators could not leave the most obvious path in uncertainty. They definitely control the gate, without loyal bodyguards it will be impossible to try to get through the front door, the best answer would be the tunnels under the palace. One of our guards must know one of them, who takes to the streets of the capital this passage would have the best chance of making it out alive.

Our dependence on the patriarch is very obvious, they certainly set an ambush hoping to be our destination if we escape the massacre at the palace.

If we escape with our lives our destination will be the nearest garrison, there are three of them in the city outside the palace, taking control of them will allow us to turn the tables.
if we survive until we reach one of them we will offer it to every soldier who serves us or a member of his family in case he doesn't survive, the chance to take as much gold as his arms can pull out of the royal vaults with his bare hands.
That should be enough to earn their loyalty for this night, one of the garrisons will be responsible for sealing the city gates no one is in or out. Whoever the usurper is he's definitely in the city, if he can't escape we can sleep more peacefully after tonight, the other two will help us capture victims for the interrogations.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:p2k37YnC Tue 26 Apr 2022 03:01:59 No.5243419 Report

Quoted By: >>5243801

>>5243310
>Moralfag ahistoric autist continues to claim he's right while the result of our actions are literally threatening to kill us right now.
Ok dud. I'll give you that if we survive this, I think long term our prior mistakes will benefit us although we certainly screwed the pooch as far as short term securing our power.

>>5243353
>Our dependence on the patriarch is very obvious, they'll certainly set an ambush hoping to be our destination if we escape the massacre at the palace.
I say we should at least try. I like the tunnels idea although I don't remember where it was mentioned that such tunnels exist, but they will only go so far and we are unfit and who knows how long it will take to get to those garrisons just on foot. But if we can get a horse and some trusted men to accompany us by reaching the church, we'll have more resources at our disposal. We should lean on our allies, and not just ourselves. If we use tunnels, we can perhaps bypass as well said ambushes and search parties if they exist.

If say we rally people at the garrison and we approach the city, that will take days if not weeks! Days of which the conspirators can seize the city and with us outside of its walls, things will get really complicated as far as perhaps rebel armies rise and traitors control the information within the city.

If we can secure the Church, the institution that has the people's trust, and play up the pious, selfless Emperor in need of the help of the loyal citizens of the Empire against the evil, corrupt nobility, we will complicate the conspirators efforts to secure the city. No matter how many turncoats within the guard there are, they can't stand against the entire population of the city and the surrounding garrison stacked against them. I say this should be our plan:

>You are in the barracks, though it pains your heart that so many men are dead, their equipment is still there. Their armour, their weapons, their shields. You cannot keep running around like this, it will take you along time, since you're unused to it, but you can equip yourself, for whatever good that might do.
We're dealing with armored men. A shield is too cumbersome and a sword won't do much against heavy infantry. I say, we grab a crossbow. Single use as we'll likely won't be be able to reload in time, but it'll punch through armor and is super effective. We should also grab a mace. Blunt force against armor and the fundamentals of its usage is easier.

>The eunuchs. Since you are outside already, you could go to their quarters, after you got rid of the rot that festered there, no doubt that they will assist you, if they still live that is.
Next these guys as they are those most knowledgeable about the ins and outs of the palace, and they would know more so than the guards about something like a secret passage.

>Write-in
We then head to the church. Contact the Patriarch. Get horses, riders, and a disguise and get out the city. Grab some loyal guards if any are left.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:p2k37YnC Tue 26 Apr 2022 03:12:55 No.5243431 Report

Quoted By: >>5243517

And we can't be nice anymore. Heads will HAVE to be on spikes if we survive this.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:WWRiS1A5 Tue 26 Apr 2022 04:31:25 No.5243517 Report

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>>5243431
Oh yes, with this I agree. I suspect our Uncle, as he's supposed to have been with the Strategos recently, and he'd be the one who'd benefit most from us getting killed. We may have pissed off the nobles, but they wouldn't dare risk a civil war unless we'd done something that had targeted their power collectively, one noble house getting removed (theoretically) shouldn't set them off.

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Anonymous ID:XNM4ZgVu Tue 26 Apr 2022 05:46:09 No.5243607 Report

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Anonymous ID:1uGFN88D Tue 26 Apr 2022 10:12:43 No.5243801 Report

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>>5243419
Why you are replying to a joke when you clearly have the other posts above ?
Courtiers and entertainers hold no power without us, and they aren't part of nobility. They are merely small parasites. The nobles couldn't care less of them, at best for prestige but at the moment the empire needs reforms not prestige. We will need prestige as well, but the reforms are badly needed.
With this second attempt on our life, it's clear our enemies don't want reforms of any kind. They want someone dumb and that can be manipulated on the throne, they would have tried to kill immediately anyone like our father though (since our father had multiple attempts on his life during his rule, and our father was also trying to do reforms like us and he managed to just do a single one).
Our actions/reforms no matter how lenient to the corrupted, would have still not appease them if they want us gone. Like our previous head of eunuchs said, they wanted a puppet.
Ahistorical ? This setting is not history. It's inspired by it, but it's not that.
Now even if it was a joke all of that was true. The empire is in very bad strains. In fact qm even put a description of a refined and very costly food we would have eat in the morning, and he described the courtiers as extravagant and expensive. Now imagine that for all of the court every day, every single meal with the current state of the empire.
And nobles/rulers did in history throw away courtiers from their courts, and they put strict measures in hard times. We are in hard times, so is justified.
Basic decency in the court is hardly being moralfags, you believe we have act like a saint when what we did is fairly normal. Our chief administrator ? The sentence we have given happened in the past, an emperor of the hre was out in the snow for penance in winter for example. The chief of eunuchs ? Interrogated, and his death made a public show. If we were a moralfag shouldn't we save/redeem them, as the good guy saint we are ? Why executing someone or giving someone penance ? Shouldn't we save all the corrupted or bear their desires and sins ? But our reforms seems to due the opposite of saving them, we don't go to corrupted man and show them our rightful way and philosophy, we are kicking them out instead. We are doing an option which doesn't result in their death, while not touching their money or properties. Mercy, does not mean we are inoffensive.
Our actions at the moment are simply the less bloody or aggressive as possible, it does not mean we can't kill or be aggressive. At the end we put someone to death, and we had moments of being aggressive. We can do that again if we want.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oPI2nu+n Tue 26 Apr 2022 12:33:27 No.5243874 Report

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There'll some cunt shoving a sword up this autist emperors ass and these faggots will still be claiming theybdid no wrong lel

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Tue 26 Apr 2022 17:39:09 No.5244177 Report

Quoted By: >>5244250

Sword and board 5

Full set 6

Chainmail and spear 1

Crossbow and mace 1

The gate 9

The cathedral 2

Barracks 2

Eunuchs 1

YOLO out the window 1

>>5243268

Top kek, anon.

Alright, Manuel will try to slap himself into the armour the best he can, whilst favouring sword and shield and some lighter armour. And then he will valiantly charge to the gate.

Writing.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:0owLnwjN Tue 26 Apr 2022 18:55:23 No.5244250 Report

Quoted By: >>5244270 >>5244282

>>5244177
This is going to kill us.

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Tue 26 Apr 2022 19:14:35 No.5244270 Report

Quoted By: >>5244278

>>5244250
We are already dead.

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Anonymous ID:Dh/+UjCL Tue 26 Apr 2022 19:17:30 No.5244274 Report

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Nothing could possibly go wrong

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:0owLnwjN Tue 26 Apr 2022 19:19:14 No.5244278 Report

Quoted By: >>5244283

>>5244270
If we survive this I want our emperor to get a neckbeard.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oPI2nu+n Tue 26 Apr 2022 19:26:11 No.5244282 Report

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>>5244250
Good

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Tue 26 Apr 2022 19:28:58 No.5244283 Report

Quoted By: >>5244335

>>5244278

If we survive this I want the empire to transition from the roman model to the medieval one, because the entire old aristocracy will violently cease to exist.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Tue 26 Apr 2022 19:55:40 No.5244315 Report

Quoted By: >>5244316

Hesitance means death. Even if your muscles ache, even if you just lost your dinner, even if you are currently scared shitless. You cannot hesitate. Perhaps it is your bloodline, like many believe that children inherit personalities of the parents, or it could just be simple instinct driving you onwards, a simple fear of death causing hidden strength to swell within you.

Quickly entering the armoury, you find swathes of weapons and armour. You do not know how to put on heavier armour, nor do you have any experience with it. Instead, you grab the closest piece of cloth padding, putting the heavy clothing on you with relative ease, this piece of armour, whilst cheap and easy to make, is surprisingly effective when it comes to dealing with blunt force. Swords, knives, spears and anything related to stabbing and slashing however, will easily injure you. To mitigate against slashing at least, you drop the ankle reaching chainmail over yourself. Grabbing a simple steel helm, without the faceplate, as it already limits your hearing and vision, something that you are not used to, you finish your impromptu kit. Anything else would take too long and it would be too awkward to wield. Finally, you grab the wooden kite shield, its heft comes easily to you, reminding of the heavier tools you had to wield in your time. The sword is a spathion, a straight double-edged sword, excellent both for stabbing and slashing, though how well you will be able to use a sword, a weapon that requires years of hard work to master and even longer to perfect, remains to be seen. At the end of the day, a sword is the weapon of emperors, and if your men are fighting out there, wielding it should hopefully inspire them.

Because you decided to equip yourself lighter than you could have, the sound of battle had gotten increasing more violent. With your new kit now upon you, you begin to rush towards the main gate of the royal district. The screams and shouts growing ever louder. As you end up approaching, you finally see the scene before, well illuminated by burning braziers that had been used by the gate guards to keep warm.

The tagmata (regiment/battalion) is butchering itself. The men with golden armbands out number those without at least two to one, but surprisingly, your side, presumingly so, is holding their ground, no, in fact they appear to be winning. Whomever was assigned to gate duty seems to be opposed to those with golden armbands. With their superior position, they unleash deadly arrows upon their would-be attackers. Arrows loosed from composite bows embedding themselves into shields, slowing down and distracting the attackers. You watch as one arrow sails through the night sky, impacting straight into the eye of one of the attackers. The man screams, dropping his mace and shield, clutching his eye. Another arrow, just as precise as the last, pierces the man’s wrist and impacts the other eye.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Tue 26 Apr 2022 19:56:42 No.5244316 Report

Quoted By: >>5244317

>>5244315

This time he does not scream, but simply collapse to the floor like a puppet whose strings were cut.

And of course, in the middle of this chaos, a single golden plume appears to be dancing gracefully like a flame in the middle of a forest fire. Armentarius wields a spathion in his left and a mace in his right. Fighting two opponents at once, he parries a sword strike on his left with his blade, pushing the interlocked blades closer to his opponent, throwing the man of balance, then, he masterfully intercepts the incoming strike to his back with his mace, smashing away the incoming mace. Swinging his blade, he impacts the attacker’s neck, it being covered by chain, means that the person survives, but the strike still had incapacitated him. Using the opportunity, Armentarius swings his mace, caving in the steel helm, and the man skull alongside it. Turning about again, he parries the incoming blow form the man that had just gotten up with his blade, bringing his mace down, he smashed the man’s left knee. The screams are quickly silence as the now crippled man is finished off with another mace blow to the head.

In fact, all around you is pandemonium, blows are continuously exchanged, shield deflecting the strikes, some times men take great risks and allow strikes to land upon them, only for them to be deflected by their armour, allowing for killing blows to be delivered. Looking at the sheer skill and experience of these men, traitor and loyalist alike, you cannot help but feel a sense of loss. How many years, wars and battles were needed to forge such a force ? Only for it to be wasted in this pointless struggle. In fact, you feel a bit silly, well, absolutely terrified would be more correct, as you realize that you had the thought of fighting such men. But it’s not like you have much of a choice, as one of the men with a golden armband notices you.

“The boy emperor ! There ! Kill him !” That single shout brings a lull to the fighting, only for it to explode in even greater viciousness.

You raise you shield, out of instinct rather than skill, as a thrown axe imbeds itself into it. The sheer force of impact actually makes you take a step back. By the love of God ! Just how strong are these people ! Unfortunately, you cannot spend a long time thinking about your predicament. Turning the shield, you allow are brunt of a mace to impact it. Your arm locked onto the shield scream from the impact, you try to parry the next blow, just like how skilfully Armentarius had done, but all that greets you is the sting upon your right, as the sword is knocked out of your hands. Stepping back, you slip on the half-melted snow, as hundreds of footsteps had turned it into mush. You once more raise the shield as you try to scramble away, impact, after impact, after impact causes splinters to fly, the shield itself cracks as a hole in formed into it.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Tue 26 Apr 2022 19:57:43 No.5244317 Report

Quoted By: >>5244318

>>5244316

The killing blow however, never comes. One of your loyalist body charges your attacker, knocking both of them to the cold slippery floor as they begin to grapple and struggle to gain the upper hand in their fight. The archers all seem to have directed their attention to pelting attackers closest to you. Golden plumed Armentarius bashes away at a man chin, sending the poor fellow’s head rocking upwards, bending in an unnatural way. Ignoring the person he had just killed, he continues his rush onwards.

Scrabbling up to your feet, you grab the discarded blade and begin to rush onwards to Armentarius. The safest place is always in the eye of the storm after all. Raising your ruined shield, it protects you from one more impact of a flying axe, before crumbling in your arm. Dropping it, you continue to rush. A blade comes towards you, trying to parry, you manage to catch the blade, but it quickly slides down and slashes across your chess, your chain absorbing the impact. What it does not absorb however, is the impact from the man shoulder checking you. The padded clothing helps, but the difference in weight still sees you painfully impact the floor. Grabbing you, the man tries to choke you out with one hand, whilst the other takes out a dagger. In a moment of desperation, you manage to lift your blade slashing against his eyes. You do not injure them as the helmet protects them from your slashing attack, but it startles your attacker long enough for him to loosen his grip. And it startles him long enough for Armentarius to finally reach you.

The loud noise of metal buckling fills your ears, as blood, human blood, covers your face.

“Your majesty, can you walk !” Through the dim of battle, Armentarius asks.

Shakily, you rise to your feet. Before you can even begin to talk Armentarius shouts out. “Get the emperor to the gate !” He shoves you to the side, as a quartet of your tagmata (regiment/battalion) grab you and uncaring whether you approve or not, drag you towards the gate. You quickly pass it as your men more or less carry you, rather than letting you walk. And one sight freezes the blood in your veins. The Eastern gate has hundreds of torches moving towards the palace.

“Wh- who are those !” You ask, shout even.

“I do not know your majesty, most likely reinforcements we sent for once we realized what is happening here, but they are moving too slowly.” With confusion the man says.

“Domestikos ! Domestikos ! (domestic, commander)” Comes a voice from the dark, as a man jumps off his horse.

“His majesty is here, explain yourself.” The guard you were talking with earlier calls out.

Gasping for breath, and dropping to his knee, he says. “Topotērētēs (place-warden, lieutenant) has betrayed us, the eastern part of the tagmata (regiment/battalion) has allowed in our enemies !”

“Who ?! Who has betrayed me !” You question.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Tue 26 Apr 2022 19:58:44 No.5244318 Report

Quoted By: >>5244334 >>5244337 >>5244341 >>5244349 >>5244358 >>5244367 >>5244402 >>5244422 >>5244426 >>5244475 >>5244534 >>5244551 >>5244594 >>5244600 >>5244741

>>5244317

“I, I saw the banners depicting archangel Netarius, your majesty. The banners of house Angelus.”

You are frozen in place by the news. Your own family, marching against you.

“And the other two topotērētēs (place-warden, lieutenant) ?” Asks your bodyguard.

“They are rallying towards the palace as we speak.”

“And the city garrison, what of them ?” You now question, having somewhat recovered from your stupor.

“The forces near the northern and southern gate are marching alongside us, your majesty.”

You are free, and safe, for now. But you have minutes, maybe half an hour before the palace is reached. What shall you do ?

>The church ! The holy knights, though few in number men of pure faith and dedication, their armament and skill exceeding even that of your guards, you could have the patriarch rally them to you.

>The docks ! There’s still the local garrison there, as well as a large number of maritime mercenaries waiting to join your navy. You could try to rally them to your side.

>The foreigner district ! Mercenaries of all kinds skulk around there, they could be bribed to rally to your side.

>The streets ! Run down the most populated alleys and rouse the people to fight off the invaders.

>(Write in)

Can pick more than one. The more you pick, the longer it will take, increasing the chances of you being caught by advancing traitor forces.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Tue 26 Apr 2022 20:00:05 No.5244320 Report

Quoted By: >>5244552 >>5244741

Autistically spends half an hour to look up sword names and types to get it accurate. What the fuck am I doing with my life anons ?

Sorry it took so long to write this out.

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Anonymous ID:pajOg9qg Tue 26 Apr 2022 20:12:36 No.5244334 Report

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>>5244318
>The church ! The holy knights, though few in number men of pure faith and dedication, their armament and skill exceeding even that of your guards, you could have the patriarch rally them to you.
>The docks ! There’s still the local garrison there, as well as a large number of maritime mercenaries waiting to join your navy. You could try to rally them to your side.
The knights are elite troops that should follow us even in Hell with how pious we have been and the garrisons and naval mercenaries are good enough troops to act as auxiliaries to our elite warriors.
For the other two options, we don't have the money for mercenaries and the people would only serve as meatshields.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oPI2nu+n Tue 26 Apr 2022 20:18:17 No.5244335 Report

Quoted By: >>5244342 >>5244364

>>5244283
>if we survive i want to double down on us getting killed

Fuck off retard

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:8/VjA3kn Tue 26 Apr 2022 20:18:58 No.5244337 Report

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Anonymous ID:W1pKpPF+ Tue 26 Apr 2022 20:22:23 No.5244341 Report

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>>5244318
>Get to the church
Make sure the populace are roused too, do not call them to arms but let them know betrayers are abound

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:8/VjA3kn Tue 26 Apr 2022 20:23:06 No.5244342 Report

Quoted By: >>5244349

>>5244335
you fuck off
limp-wristed faggots like you have been doing nothing but whining and moaning for days at the first sight of a serious hurdle
shut the fuck up already if you have nothing new to say

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oPI2nu+n Tue 26 Apr 2022 20:26:28 No.5244349 Report

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>>5244318
>>The church ! The holy knights, though few in number men of pure faith and dedication, their armament and skill exceeding even that of your guards, you could have the patriarch rally them to you.
>>The docks ! There’s still the local garrison there, as well as a large number of maritime mercenaries waiting to join your navy. You could try to rally them to your side.
>>The foreigner district ! Mercenaries of all kinds skulk around there, they could be bribed to rally to your side.
>>The streets ! Run down the most populated alleys and rouse the people to fight off the invaders.

>>5244342
Take your duly deserved told you sos and eat a dick.

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Tue 26 Apr 2022 20:33:51 No.5244358 Report

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>>5244318

>We're gonna fucking survive! Glory to the Shepherd! Thanks for your effort QM.

>The church ! The holy knights, though few in number men of pure faith and dedication, their armament and skill exceeding even that of your guards, you could have the patriarch rally them to you.

>The docks ! There’s still the local garrison there, as well as a large number of maritime mercenaries waiting to join your navy. You could try to rally them to your side.

Even if we are ambushed after leaving the cathedral, stopping an elite force of cavalry is easier said than done. And with the port garrison we will have the necessary numbers to put an end to this madness.

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Tue 26 Apr 2022 20:36:47 No.5244364 Report

Quoted By: >>5245990

>>5244335

As they say in Brazil:
>"Vai chupar um canavial de rola seu filho da luta insuportável do caralho, vai da meia hora de cu com o relógio parado sua propaganda viva de suporte ao aborto!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:vSe1EZ2q Tue 26 Apr 2022 20:38:15 No.5244367 Report

Quoted By: >>5244399 >>5244428

>>5244318
>The church ! The holy knights, though few in number men of pure faith and dedication, their armament and skill exceeding even that of your guards, you could have the patriarch rally them to you.
>The docks ! There’s still the local garrison there, as well as a large number of maritime mercenaries waiting to join your navy. You could try to rally them to your side.
>The foreigner district ! Mercenaries of all kinds skulk around there, they could be bribed to rally to your side.
>The streets ! Run down the most populated alleys and rouse the people to fight off the invaders.
Mobilize everyone!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Dh/+UjCL Tue 26 Apr 2022 20:45:17 No.5244383 Report

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>The church ! The holy knights, though few in number men of pure faith and dedication, their armament and skill exceeding even that of your guards, you could have the patriarch rally them to you.
Prioritize this first, then docks.

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Tue 26 Apr 2022 20:55:27 No.5244399 Report

Quoted By: >>5244428

>>5244367

We can't, if each increases the chance of going wrong, two would be the limit.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Tue 26 Apr 2022 21:02:12 No.5244402 Report

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>>5244318
>The church ! The holy knights, though few in number men of pure faith and dedication, their armament and skill exceeding even that of your guards, you could have the patriarch rally them to you.

>The streets ! Run down the most populated alleys and rouse the people to fight off the invaders.
Soviet tactics lads. Beside, it’s better politically to get the commoner to side with us in a mob. Not only will the action ensure the commoners have skin in the game when it comes to their Emperor, but it will ensure that everyone knows that the common man stood up to defend their Emperor, which is more important in the long run.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TK9oGj81 Tue 26 Apr 2022 21:15:12 No.5244422 Report

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Anonymous ID:H6XoAwct Tue 26 Apr 2022 21:17:11 No.5244426 Report

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>>5244318
>>>The church ! The holy knights, though few in number men of pure faith and dedication, their armament and skill exceeding even that of your guards, you could have the patriarch rally them to you.
Politically, as I'm sure some other anons have noticed, the church will have the most vested interest in keeping us alive considering our background alongside the fact we've been very agreeable with the pope dude. They're pretty much the only faction that probably won't stab us in the back

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:vSe1EZ2q Tue 26 Apr 2022 21:18:11 No.5244428 Report

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>>5244367
Changing to:
>The church ! The holy knights, though few in number men of pure faith and dedication, their armament and skill exceeding even that of your guards, you could have the patriarch rally them to you.
>The docks ! There’s still the local garrison there, as well as a large number of maritime mercenaries waiting to join your navy. You could try to rally them to your side.
Because of this
>>5244399
bozo

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Mk8wxxdk Tue 26 Apr 2022 22:21:54 No.5244475 Report

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Anonymous ID:5C3NZcKs Tue 26 Apr 2022 23:39:01 No.5244534 Report

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Anonymous ID:NWEMxukr Wed 27 Apr 2022 00:09:20 No.5244551 Report

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>>5244318
>The church ! The holy knights, though few in number men of pure faith and dedication, their armament and skill exceeding even that of your guards, you could have the patriarch rally them to you.

>The docks ! There’s still the local garrison there, as well as a large number of maritime mercenaries waiting to join your navy. You could try to rally them to your side.

The people will likely see/hear the battle and realize traitors have entered the city, they might join it when they understand our side and the traitor one. But knights and docks will give us people that can fight well now.
Uncle has returned uh.

>>5244318
Ask Armentarius if we have a visible emperor banner with us here. The battle will not be easy, but if our men and then the people rally to us, we might win it. It will help with morale too.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:NWEMxukr Wed 27 Apr 2022 00:10:21 No.5244552 Report

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>>5244320
No problems is good

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:NWEMxukr Wed 27 Apr 2022 00:37:51 No.5244565 Report

Quoted By: >>5244581 >>5244585 >>5244624 >>5245255

Should think of something for reward based Armentarius, and the rest of our loyal guards. Better than just more money, we can do that without many issues, though we don't swim in coins so it wouldn't be a great plus. Something that gives them some honor/prestige or is more useful ? Here a few ideas (Putting their tombs near the emperor they served when they die [tombs detailed and with descriptions], making some statues/art of them/their battles to put around Myralos/the imperial palace and their barracks, giving them a new symbol/title for what they did, offering to create a new position only they can cover like idk the Emperor Champion, expanding their barracks, having the patriarch bless their equipment, have a smith/crafter forge/craft something special for them (a high quality&beautiful weapon/armor for name something), create a new tradition/ceremony for them, make them the martial educators for our sons ecc...).
In the future we will need to pass sometime in the training yard with them.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:S1Wf1zxT Wed 27 Apr 2022 00:54:40 No.5244581 Report

Quoted By: >>5244598 >>5244624

>>5244565
That reminds me, we're going to have to replace a lot of our palace guard, but doing so will be easier said than done. Just creaming the top off the existing military will potentially be of serious detriment to them and mercs are a crapshoot and expensive so we're going to have to figure out how best to fill out our personal guard again.

What was that thing someone mentioned earlier about recruiting bodyguards from a far-off land to ensure nonpartisanship?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:NWEMxukr Wed 27 Apr 2022 00:55:50 No.5244585 Report

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>>5244565
Lastly there are two other things that could be given:
- Moving their families in the palace, and giving their kids and wives a good life/education. There is plenty of space now anyway, and the guards would keep the place even more secure with their families in.
- Giving their sons a possibility to enter in the guard as well, it doesn't make it any easier for the trials for become a guard. But they would have a better chance with their fathers being part of it, especially for learning and training. A few older guards could be tutors for this new generations. Of course this will not cut away anyone skilled that wants to enter in the guard. And in case their sons don't become guards their education should help them in finding a respectable job.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ACd8Q5Iv Wed 27 Apr 2022 01:03:24 No.5244592 Report

Quoted By: >>5244599

>>5243265
That was thr mistake you removed one and left the rest to watch you remove one. You didn't even annihilate them to inspire fear you just let them be to plot.

This was just retard level comprehension of the empires situation. It's delicate and the new Emperor didn't spend the time to actually create conditions for lasting change

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:p2k37YnC Wed 27 Apr 2022 01:05:40 No.5244594 Report

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Anonymous ID:NWEMxukr Wed 27 Apr 2022 01:12:53 No.5244598 Report

Quoted By: >>5244624 >>5245251

>>5244581
There are some options, we should get the opinion of Armentarius and the rest of the guard on this first at least.

We could go for complete greens, and recruit volunteers that like us, doesn't matter their social class. It would take a long time for bring this new guards up to speed. But they would have some enthusiasm. Might make good sparring partners for us, since they would be newbies like us.
We could go mercs but those are too connected to money.
We could take the best around the empire, but like you said those are also needed for the rest of the military.
We could go noble scions, but this is full of insecure things since we still need to fully grasp the political climate of the empire. They might be very lazy too. Or very good.
We could go adventurers/nobles from the west. A big unknown.
We could also ask the opinion of the patriarch and the holy knights, knights that we are about to encounter.

And lastly barbarians but I am not sure they could be absorbed well in the Tagmata. The idea of an anon was to have them out of it, has another military organization. They would be "domesticated" first (conversion ecc..)

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Wed 27 Apr 2022 01:13:44 No.5244599 Report

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>>5244592
Agreed, anons are too autistic to think in realpolitik.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:WWRiS1A5 Wed 27 Apr 2022 01:14:57 No.5244600 Report

Quoted By: >>5244657

>>5244318
>The banners of house Angelus.
Knew it, it's our uncle. And possibly strategos isaac too.

>>5244318
>The church ! The holy knights, though few in number men of pure faith and dedication, their armament and skill exceeding even that of your guards, you could have the patriarch rally them to you.
>The streets ! Run down the most populated alleys and rouse the people to fight off the invaders.
Numbers wiill win us this, and unless the invaders are willing to slaughter the populace of the capital they hopefully should be thrown off.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:5C3NZcKs Wed 27 Apr 2022 01:34:59 No.5244624 Report

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>>5244565
They will need to be very richly rewarded yes. Our military influence is very limited and this just fucked us.

>>5244581
The issue with recruiting foreign mercenaries while a tradition is they can also be bribed just as easily. The most available source would actually be the Church by acquiring some Holy Knights to help fill out our palace guard until we can replace them. I personally would use Holy Knights+Elite Foreign Mercs(cause expensive) until we can refill them gradually over time.

>>5244598
Traditionally the means to use Barbarians is via religious conversion and turning them on other Barbarians while backing them. Thanks to us, using the Church it's actually a totally viable option for us in the long run if we sponsor preachers to travel and convert pagans among the Barbarian tribes and support the converts against their rivals. Converting Barbarian Bodyguards is an old Byzantine tradition too.

Adventurers and foreign nobles are not a bad idea but they would expect proper renown, treatment, and action(see not viable cause Ascetism). Unless of course they were suitably zealous and pious in which case they wouldn't mind. If we play up the Faithful Emporer we could very well accrue religious nobles under our banner even foreign ones. We are at the very least a very pious Emporeror. For those for whom faith is very important serving under us would be tempting.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Wed 27 Apr 2022 01:46:26 No.5244657 Report

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>>5244600
It’s not just the numbers, but the propaganda as well. Finalize us as ‘the People’s Emperor’, and it will also make for a great rationale for officially reforming the corrupt bureaucracy and opening its doors to the common man.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:p2k37YnC Wed 27 Apr 2022 01:51:35 No.5244664 Report

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>How do we reward and restore a loyal royal guard?
Confiscate Angelus's any other collaborator's holdings once we deal with them. No doubt they are very powerful.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:B8WkQ91q Wed 27 Apr 2022 02:32:20 No.5244741 Report

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Wed 27 Apr 2022 11:48:39 No.5245251 Report

Quoted By: >>5245456

>>5244598

I'll explain the barbarians option one more time. By the way this is the fifth time I've done this, the opinion you have of them is the same as the average noble feels, which means that in any conspiracy they would always be put to death, the only thing keeping them safe and with a good life ironically is our life.
By the time we die they will also die, this level of loyalty out of necessity makes them the best option, they have no choice but to be loyal.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Wed 27 Apr 2022 11:54:43 No.5245255 Report

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>>5244565

Remember that corrupt noble house that was in a strategic position, the house title was "the shield of the empire" something like that?

So let's make Armentarius a noble and give him that strategic position, the other bodyguards can become nobles if we can, especially if we remove corrupt houses essentially creating a power base from the people who risked their lives for us.

Combined this with the Barbarian option for our Bodyguards, we would be safer politically than ever before. (As if that was hard to do...)

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oPI2nu+n Wed 27 Apr 2022 15:30:34 No.5245456 Report

Quoted By: >>5245507

>>5245251
Pretty big assumption that a contingent of barbarians can't be bought off. As a part of our guard? Not the worst idea, a complete replacement is foolish.

Your barbarian fetish makes you suspect in any case.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Wed 27 Apr 2022 16:14:37 No.5245507 Report

Quoted By: >>5245717

>>5245456

Open a new tab and type "Varangian Guard", read the first result. My Ideas are usually grounded in reality, this is one of them.

My preference for the superior beauty of a tall, busty, rustic blonde Queen unfortunately has nothing to do with this idea. Nothing against your preference or anyone else's.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:X2iw5POJ Wed 27 Apr 2022 18:11:39 No.5245610 Report

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We should probably wait for us to actually reach these point first and understand more about these barbarians in question. Regardless this has been a fun quest so far, arguments included.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Wed 27 Apr 2022 18:40:08 No.5245645 Report

Quoted By: >>5245652 >>5245851 >>5245963

No update today. IRL is getting in the way, should be able to sit down write out an update tomorrow around 3 PM (UTC +2).

And in case you are worried anons, if the tism emperor (as some have dubbed him) dies, you will play as whomever sits on the throne. For the Emperor is the Empire and the Empire is the Emperor.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:XB/OEtAY Wed 27 Apr 2022 18:47:15 No.5245652 Report

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>>5245645
And in case you are worried anons, if the tism emperor (as some have dubbed him) dies, you will play as whomever sits on the throne. For the Emperor is the Empire and the Empire is the Emperor.

Astoundingly based QM

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oPI2nu+n Wed 27 Apr 2022 20:08:44 No.5245717 Report

Quoted By: >>5245820

>>5245507
Perhaps you can also smugly demonstrate how we currently are in a similar situation to the Byzantine empire when the Varangians were established? Instead of just having them appear out of thin air? I would assume that you are just as aware as I am that it wasn't established on a whim with no prior history.

Are there even any foreigners who would fit the bill? Are there any that would be willing? Are there any that we have an established relationship with? Religion? Foreign rulers with which we can treat?

Again, I don't think idea of establishing a Varangianesque force is a bad idea, but it is something we are going to have to work for.

Further, as I recall there were several instances where the Varangians sided with who sat in the throne vs who was the Emperor. Don't oversell it.

Also, the Varangians were not the only personal guards of the Emperor, as I'm sure you are aware.

And yeah, we need a political marriage not whatever anyone thinks looks good. We need something to buy legitimacy and forge bonds within the empire. Shame we missed one of those opportunities already.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Wed 27 Apr 2022 21:11:11 No.5245820 Report

Quoted By: >>5245882

>>5245717

Are you telling me that finding a group of mercenaries from distant lands who convert to the empire's faith would be difficult? I never said they had to be Germanic, many of them were Anglo Saxons.

I never said it would be easy, nor that they would replace the old guard, I said that rewarding the guards who risked their lives for us by turning them into nobles would give us a power base solid enough to last a reign.

If you know so much about them, tell me, how many times did the guard not side with the emperor in the beginning? Yes, our potential great-grandchild might have problems with them, we won't and that's what matters.

If you think that marriage is a good choice, I'm starting to doubt the options I proposed and you supported. Many people besides me have commented on all the problems with that choice, and yes they were the many.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Wed 27 Apr 2022 21:28:14 No.5245851 Report

Quoted By: >>5245883 >>5245963 >>5245975 >>5246638

>>5245645
>And in case you are worried anons, if the tism emperor (as some have dubbed him) dies, you will play as whomever sits on the throne. For the Emperor is the Empire and the Empire is the Emperor.

Wouldn’t this destroy stakes? Or are you trying to pull a Bananas here?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oPI2nu+n Wed 27 Apr 2022 21:49:12 No.5245882 Report

Quoted By: >>5245893

>>5245820
Just any old mercs? Oh, ok. Depending on how many guards you want to make nobles of, it's either a smart decision or a retarded one.

>i want to reform the empire
>who cares what happens to my grandkids

What is this boomer bullshit?

It was certainly a better option than the stupid shit that was chosen, do you think our uncle was not aided by them? You'd be an idiot to think otherwise. Would it have drawbacks? Of course, we'll never know which was worse for sure, but I expect having local support from them would have prevented what is currently happening. Many people besides me have commented on how we fucked up big time, here we are.

The tyranny of the masses does not lend you credence.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oPI2nu+n Wed 27 Apr 2022 21:50:13 No.5245883 Report

Quoted By: >>5245895 >>5246194

>>5245851
I reckon playing as our uncle would be an improvement.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Wed 27 Apr 2022 21:58:29 No.5245893 Report

Quoted By: >>5245905

>>5245882

There's a difference between the tyranny of the masses and a crowd yelling at you not to stick your dick in a meat grinder.

As for the mercenaries, they have to be from a distant and backward land, preferably that people are hated by our people, of course they have to know how to fight and they have to convert to accept the job.
I don't know if you've noticed, but the way the Quest is going, maybe we won't even play with our son, let alone our distant descendants, the current problem and the problem of staying alive, then we'll deal with the problems that will come in the future. Maybe in the future we will have the conditions to avoid this situation.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Wed 27 Apr 2022 22:00:57 No.5245895 Report

Quoted By: >>5245905

>>5245883

Play with someone who already has everything they need? The influence, the army, the wealth, seriously what's the fun of playing with an easier character, playing the "game of thrones" cosplay?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oPI2nu+n Wed 27 Apr 2022 22:09:30 No.5245905 Report

Quoted By: >>5245918

>>5245893
>There's a difference between the tyranny of the masses and a crowd yelling at you not to stick your dick in a meat grinder.

You idiots HAVE stuck your dicks in a meat grinder, if you'd gotten the pirate haven thing going we probably wouldn't even have any guards loyal to us. Our fight for survival is because of stupid decisions.

>>5245895
The fresh start free from retarded choices, and people having learned a lesson would be nice.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Wed 27 Apr 2022 22:17:48 No.5245918 Report

Quoted By: >>5245929

>>5245905

>The option that got two votes and didn't pass, and everyone besides me is an idiot.

Is that your justification for ending the Quest, Just out of curiosity are you the son of a single mother? It would explain the mental illness vibe.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oPI2nu+n Wed 27 Apr 2022 22:23:05 No.5245929 Report

Quoted By: >>5245974

>>5245918
Oh, don't pretend I'm the only one calling you an idiot favela monkey.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Qx/CydYj Wed 27 Apr 2022 22:45:21 No.5245963 Report

Quoted By: >>5245975 >>5246194

>>5245645
Awesome
>>5245851
We can just treat it like CK2. For the record lets not get ourselves killed on purpose (since thats a bit gamey) and try to groom a proper successor before the 'tism gets us gutted regardless.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Wed 27 Apr 2022 22:55:37 No.5245974 Report

Quoted By: >>5245990

>>5245929

I take offense that you mistook me for one of the southern subhumans, but I appreciate the fact that you didn't deny that I'm right.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:5C3NZcKs Wed 27 Apr 2022 22:55:40 No.5245975 Report

Quoted By: >>5246066 >>5246106 >>5246194 >>5246638

>>5245851
This means there are sadly no real stakes unless we destroy the empire itself. Kinda lame to be honest.

>>5245963
Not really. CK2 was more dynasty based cause you got points based on how successful your dynasty was and you controlled a specific heir of the family. This is Empire Quest. Emperor is disposable so don't give a shit if he dies just keep the Empire alive. Encourages doing stupid shit at the cost of MCs lives cause you will simply control whoever takes over and can keep in control of the Empire and controlling it.

Which is kinda shit. As the only 'lose' condition is if you lose the Empire itself and MCs are officially disposable. Not a very good precedent to set. Why even bother with grooming potential heirs and good marriages with such a family when you know the Emperor is just gonna get himself killed because you are rushing breakthroughs or did something stupid anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oPI2nu+n Wed 27 Apr 2022 23:09:21 No.5245990 Report

Quoted By: >>5246004

>>5245974
>>5244364
>As they say in Brazil:

Sure, whatever you say. You haven't been right about fuck all, nothing has changed.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Wed 27 Apr 2022 23:21:52 No.5246004 Report

Quoted By: >>5246194

>>5245990

I know geography is not a very popular subject of study, but you can put half of Europe in Brazil alone. And by no means does the entire country identify itself as the same species of monkey, the favela monkey you mentioned is hated or ignored by almost the entire country, nobody likes these guys.

About me being wrong, tell me where? In fact, it only counts if the choice passed.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Qx/CydYj Thu 28 Apr 2022 00:12:52 No.5246066 Report

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>>5245975
I think you're catasthrophizing. This precidence hasn't even occured yet. No ones going to actually vote to keel over for our uncle even if he were in a better position because nobody likes switching characters constantly.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oPI2nu+n Thu 28 Apr 2022 00:50:52 No.5246106 Report

Quoted By: >>5246194

>>5245975
>Why even bother with grooming potential heirs and good marriages with such a family when you know the Emperor is just gonna get himself killed because you are rushing breakthroughs or did something stupid anyway.

Perhaps everyone can learn to not do stupid things and win anyways. Many quests fail their players in this regard and thus fail the board by creating an expectation where in the end the players always win no matter what foolish decisions they make.

I've been along for a fair few quests over the years where the QM assfucks the players because of poor choices, and it is rewarding to see. Sadly, it is not the norm.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Thu 28 Apr 2022 02:29:25 No.5246194 Report

Quoted By: >>5246749

>>5245883
It probably would desu, but that’s assuming anons learn from mistakes.

>>5245963
You can’t avoid anons meta-gaming, but I’ll try my best to keep the current MC alive and his reign relatively stable and IC.

>>5245975
The stakes do worry me, but he could pull a Bananas on us, allow us to make the major decisions while curtailing anons excessive autism. We don’t need to control or decide everything, the QM just needs to take more liberties with the quest.

>>5246004
The Harboring Pirates would’ve totally gotten us killed, but not marrying or killing our political enemies and instead relying on bureaucratic tricks and autism particularly stands out. I could go more into the prestige loss of turning into a monk or the fact that allowing trader and peasants into administration and governorship would directly and negatively impact the nobility, which will cause us political problems no matter how you cut it, but I’ll settle for the first two.

I do think that limiting our interactions with the other factions in the beginning of the quest really fucked us objectively, we only focused on two of the factions (religion and administration) to the detriment and exclusion of the other factions. Say what you will, having only one ally and many enemies isn’t how you survive Byzantine politics, let alone game the system to your benefit.

>>5246106
>Perhaps everyone can learn to not do stupid things and win anyways.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BwSts2s4ba4

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:8CWUB6UX Thu 28 Apr 2022 05:31:19 No.5246351 Report

Quoted By: >>5246396

Lets stop biting each other's dicks off, the church femboy emperor isn't dead yet is he?
Besides our uncle was 110% going to pull this shit at some point, from the time gap he started planning it the second we got announced (read, cucked him from the throne) as heir.
Regardless of our decisions he would have tried to pull this shit because we haven't had time to root ourselves in; he probably also had some rather compelling arguments for the guards such as:
>how do we even know it is his son to begin with
>he doesn't know what hes doing and is going to drag the empire to ruin

The roleplay is on point to be honest, we are ressembling the late roman senate or any fucking council of nobles

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Thu 28 Apr 2022 06:18:34 No.5246396 Report

Quoted By: >>5246471

>>5246351
Actually, I’m sure not properly dealing with the World-Shield lads played a part in this, but your right in that this was probably our uncle’s plot all along.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:WWRiS1A5 Thu 28 Apr 2022 07:50:28 No.5246471 Report

Quoted By: >>5246544

>>5246396
Hell, for all we know it might just have saved our bacon if they'd decided to side against us. Or maybe it provoked them into joining his side anyway. Guess we'll have to wait and find out.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Thu 28 Apr 2022 09:02:52 No.5246544 Report

Quoted By: >>5246556

>>5246471
I think we only succeed in pissing the Senate off. It would’ve been best to marry into them or kill them off wholesale, not employ half-measures that will keep them alive and turn them into an enemy for life. That’s neither here nor there though.

I’m honestly looking forward to the politicking that comes from such an unexpected crisis, the only thing that would’ve made my day is if anons decided to call upon the people and use that as both PR and justification for our bureaucratic reforms. It would’ve solidified our powerbase among the people, and ensure that the nobles tread carefully least they upset the general populace.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:WWRiS1A5 Thu 28 Apr 2022 09:19:52 No.5246556 Report

Quoted By: >>5246599

>>5246544
Yeah, I'm kinda annoyed that anons didn't go for the people option myself, it's such a no brainer. Problem is that the first vote is usually the last, unless someone can make a convincing argument for an alternative within the first few responses.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Thu 28 Apr 2022 11:09:40 No.5246599 Report

Quoted By: >>5246756

>>5246556
Yea, it’s definitely frustrating knowing that a convincing argument needs to be aired immediately before herd mentality kicks in and the first couple votes calcify our course of action. Turns it into less of an thought-out decision and more into a popularity contest within the first couple votes. I guess we’ll see where Athens-style mob rule takes us in this quest. Damn shame though, would’ve loved to see how the other decisions would’ve panned out.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Thu 28 Apr 2022 12:56:46 No.5246638 Report

Quoted By: >>5246706

The Church 16

The Docks 9

Foreigner district 1

The streets 3

Alrighty then, you will first go to the church and then to the docks.

Writing.

>>5245851
>>5245975

>Wouldn’t this destroy stakes? Or are you trying to pull a Bananas here?

Not particularly. Each coup, every civil war, the transitional period wrought with incredible danger and the loss of good relations or reputation due to death would be very harmful to the empire.

Though at the end of the day, this is really supposed to be a civ quest, the characters are here to give personalization to the nation that you are leading, rather than leave it as a simple shell in which you crunch numbers to figure which one is the better one.

As for chs offing themselves due to anon metagaming ? None of the characters would be willing to simply kill themselves or do something exceptionally stupid, unless that is part of their character. Every emperor will have a set of traits that guide how they carry-out your decisions, someone whose an exceptional pacifist will simply not have the option for unjust and agressive war for example. The MC right now is meant to be a blank slate for the start. So grooming good heirs, finding good marriage partners is still very important.

At the very least, that is how I am planning on doing it for now. These can be subject to change if most anons don't like them.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:WWRiS1A5 Thu 28 Apr 2022 14:11:57 No.5246706 Report

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>>5246638
I hope you're prepared for anons to be retarded from time to time. It's a bit easier to manage on the other quest since there's less players, but anons can and will vote for the instadeath option if you don't signpost it well enough. If you'd given us the choice to run screaming with our sword raised at trained veteran warriors anons would have seriously thought about picking it. Admittedly we've done this several times on the other one too, but anons understand the risks we take there, I think.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Thu 28 Apr 2022 15:02:46 No.5246749 Report

Quoted By: >>5246777 >>5247121

>>5246194

I wanted pirates chosen under contract to have access to the port, not just anyone. According to QM thetime to focus on our first year of government, it was better to have chosen one faction, we chose two and on top of that we didn't have the chance to get closer to others.

If you don't remember the eunuchs tried to get their hands on our figurative ass and turn us into puppets, the chief administrator was a corrupt Fuck who disappeared as fast as our uncle, the admiral and the general went out to hold the empire while the crisis of succession took place, the only factions that remained were the senate who we are fighting with to maintain power, and the patriarch who by a miracle didn't try to sell us out.

I voted for us to build an espionage network in addition to not becoming another degenerate on the throne differentiating us from our father who died poisoned in front of us. It hasn't even been two months on Quest, how the fuck do you think it was possible to solve all the problems in that short time?

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Thu 28 Apr 2022 15:08:18 No.5246756 Report

Quoted By: >>5246760 >>5246777 >>5247121

>>5246599

Giving the throne to the most influential family in the Senate for free isn't a plan you little shit, tell me how would you keep that family's loyalty after the heir was born?

By the way, you talk as if the senate were not made up of several families with different interests, do you really think that such an influential family had no enemies? In fact, there is the possibility that this family will disappear now that they have lost their power and that the family that hated them can give us a chance, not all rich families act in a cohesive way.

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Thu 28 Apr 2022 15:09:04 No.5246758 Report

Quoted By: >>5246762

“Can you hold the gate ?” You ask turning towards your escort.

“With reinforcements arriving, yes your majesty.” He responds.

“Then get me a horse, we shall rally those of honour and faith to go against these traitors.” Puffing out your chest you state, trying your best to inspire the men around you.

“Right away, your majesty.” The messenger’s horse is quickly brought before you, alongside other three horses, now mounted by your bodyguards. Something they did with surprising grace despite their heavy armour. Whilst you had to boost yourself upwards, whilst on of the men holds the reigns before handing them to you.

“Where are we to, your majesty ?” Asks the bodyguard.

“To the church. The holy knights cannot simply stand aside whilst innocent blood is spilt.” You say.

“Then please, stay behind me your majesty, we will have to ride at full gallop, it could potentially be dangerous to ride so fast in the night.”

“Onwards, we must defeat these traitors.”

With those words spoken, the horses begin running and disappear into the darkness. The sound of clashing metal growing ever more subdued. Until eventually the night once more grows tranquil, the spilt blood, lives lost and turbulent changes seemingly just a distant nightmare. The noise of hoofs impacting the road and the clanking of armour seems to rouse the people, as you notice a few windows, nothing more than slabs of wood meant to ensure that heat does not leave the home, are ever so slightly ajar, eyes staring at you and your men in your most dangerous moment. Despite their seeming love for you, real or fake, none leave their houses to find out what is going on, that, or they already know what is happening and are erring on the side of caution. You do not have the time to rouse their spirits for the upcoming fight. Besides, these people would do nothing more than merely delay the traitors at the expense of their lives, devastating the empire even further.

Eventually, you reach the cathedral, where you see light spilling out of it, a congregation of people already assembled there, shuffling and pushing to enter the safety of hollow ground. Seeing your approach, the people begin departing, giving way to the heavily armed men on horseback. Coming to a rough halt, pulling too tight upon the reigns, you eventually stop the horse. Quickly dismounting you head into the cathedral proper. The entire chamber appears to be filled with people, poor and rich alike. And in the midst of all of this, stands the patriarch.

“Your all holiness !” You call out, rapidity in your step.

“Your majesty ?” Surprised, Anatolius turns to you.

“Why are the people gathered here ?” You ask.

“Those closest to the Eastern gate had heard and seen an army march in the night. So those that could fled here, for the sanctuary provided by the church.”

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Thu 28 Apr 2022 15:10:06 No.5246760 Report

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>>5246756

“Your all holiness, We need your help in the upcoming battle. The holy knights, they need to stand up to the injustice being perpetrated.”

“The church never meddles in the matters of state, I hope you know so, your majesty.”

“Of course I do, your all holiness, but it is a matter of great import. The church must show that it stands on the side of law and order in such tumultuous times.”

“Well, your majesty. With my authority as Oikoumenikós Patriárchēs (ecumenical patriarch), I could authorise the mobilization of the holy knights. But, I must caution you, your majesty. Even though I am the head of the church many may disagree with such orders later on. They may demand just recompense, perhaps they may use the precedent set here to interfere with temporal politics. I, your loyal subject, shall of course attempt to stem the tide, but I can only promise so much.”

“We understand. The situation calls for extreme measures, so extreme measures shall be taken.”

“As you command, your majesty. Fearing the worse, I had already mobilized the knights.” Anatolius says before turning towards the door leading to the sleeping quarters.

It is swung open. Men, clad in white steel, pure white cloaks trailing begins emerge. Their helmets are stylized in such a way that there are wings of angels protruding from the sides. The white plate armour is meticulously decorated with gold. Etched are words from the holy scripture, God’s commandments and the Shepherd’s musings. Each and every one of them towers over you, even your bodyguards, hale and hearty men in their own right, are at the very least a head shorter than the knights. You also notice that they wield no shields, nor do they posses any secondary weapons. All they have are the naked blades of greatswords currently resting on their shoulders. Each and every single piece of the kit had been made out of skysteel. A mysterious steel making technique guarded jealously by the church, never revealed to outsiders or too many craftsmen. A grand total of merely twenty men stand before you, each unmoving, each looking like an archangel of war.

“These men shall keep you safe, your majesty. And crush all faithless infidels and misguided heretics.” Genially the patriarch says. “Please follow them to the stables, they shall keep watch over you as you move across the city.”

“Thank you, your all holiness. May the Shepherd guide us in the upcoming battle.”

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Thu 28 Apr 2022 15:11:07 No.5246762 Report

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>>5246758

With that, you move to the back of the cathedral, where you find the nesting site of the ferocious mounts of these pious warriors. Griffins. Winged beasts, half eagle, half lion. They are vicious carnivores, often stealing cattle and sheep of farmers on the countryside, if provoked however, their razor-sharp talons are capable of cutting through even steel. Domesticating and raising such beasts is time consuming and expensive, but the end product is something truly to behold. Whilst by their nature, griffins are cowardly creatures, not taking any unnecessary risks, as such never daring to attack settlements, if trained, they become unstoppable killers, imprinted and devoted to whomever they first saw when they hatched. The dream mount of many a knight. Perhaps once this settles down, you should try to raise one ?

Quickly mounting their steeds, the knights fall in formation and as one rise to the skies, beginning to circle around you. Should anyone be foolish enough to try and interpose themselves between you and your goal, they shall drop screaming from the skies and carry away any would be interloper.

With added protection, you now feel safer to ride through the treacherous streets. This time to the docks. You had acquired a large number of mercenaries, that do nothing but sit on their asses all day long, they will be put to good use. Although they are not meant for land battles, they will still make for excellent skirmishers and rapid response troops. Supported by the city garrison still stationed there, they will make an effective force to behold on the narrow confusing streets that will be your battlefield.

The news must’ve spread. As again, torches burn bright on the docks, formations of men are mobilizing and organizing themselves for an up and coming fight. And whilst you ride the docks, you see other men, some are heavily armed, whilst at the same time others look like you once did, terrified peasants with cheap daggers. The mercenaries of the foreign district, at least those not already under contract with the army. They seem to be observing their surroundings with disinterest, sending a clear message that they want to part of the upcoming conflict, unless of course, it will directly benefit them.

Passing them by, you reach the docks. Weary, hungover, over excited, and a myriad of emotions wearing men stand in loose formations, their weaponry being mainly shortswords, daggers, the occasional larger and tougher weapon. Their armour on the other hand, is nothing more than the clothes they have on themselves, perhaps some padded armour here and there, some chainshirts, but nothing heavier. Equipment that would allow one to swim should they fall overboard.

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Thu 28 Apr 2022 15:12:09 No.5246763 Report

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>>5246760

Far more organized stand blocks of city guards. Kite shields, spears, padded armour under ankle reaching chainmail, iron helmets upon their heads. They seem confused about the situation, lacking the tell-tale discipline of your Scholae Tagmata (School regiment/battalion), still, these men are experienced fighters, if lacking the sheer amount of skill that your more regular troops have.

“LORD PHOTIUS ANGELUS HAD PROMISED GREAT REWARDS FOR THOSE WILLING TO FIGHT FOR THE EMPIRE AND ITS TRUE EMPEROR ! AS SUCH, TRUE SONS OF THEPHIA, WE MARCH UNDER THE BANNER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, GLORY, AND RICHES ! NOW, WE SHALL DISPOSE OF THE CHILD-EMPEROR AND PREVENT THE DISASTER HIS REIGN WOULD BRING US ! PREP-“

A rather rotund man screams out atop of a raised platform, one used for public hangings, his armour appears to be well fitting, clearly a custom make, his face had turned red from the continuous shouts.

Anger swells in your guts, and a shout rises from your throat. “WE COMMAND FOR THE TRAITOR TO DIE !”

Your voice rising over the dim, attracts every single man towards you. The man on the platform appears to be shocked at your appearance, but before he can muster a shout. The screech of an eagle is heard. The sickening crunch of bones breaking, guts being ripped out and flesh torn to pieces silences any protests he might have had. As the griffon starts shaking the man in its mighty beak, limbs break off and blood covers most of the people closest to the man, before the fat man is simply thrown down towards the gathered men who all scramble to away from the lying corpse. The mutilated body impacts the ground with a wet thump. Silence once more reigns after the bloody show.

“HEAR OUR WORDS !” You shout.

“WE HEAR !” As one, hundreds of voices respond, primarily the city guard, with the mercenaries awkwardly following behind, with some delay and incoordination.

“A TRAITOR MARCHES UPON MYRALOS, A TRAITOR CONCERNED OVER NOTHING BUT HIS OWN GREED AND LUST FOR POWER, DO YOU MEN THINK THAT HE WILL SIMPLY NOT THROW YOU AWAY ONCE HE ACHIEVES POWER ?! YOU, MERCENARIES, STAND HERE TODAY BECAUSE WE DECIDED TO STRENGTHEN THE IMPERIAL NAVY, TO GRANT YOU JOBS AND OPPORTUNITIES, DO YOU THINK OUR UNCLE WOULD GENEROUSLY OFFER THE SAME ?! AND YOU, VALIANT GUARDS OF THE CITY, DO YOU TRULY NOT BELIEVE THAT BLOOD WILL FLOW IN RIVERS AS MY UNCLE CONSOLIDATES POWER ?! AS HE PURGES ALL WHOM MAY THREATEN HIM ?! SO STAND, STAND BESIDES YOUR EMPEROR, STAND BESIDES THE CAUSE MOST PIOUS AND JUST ! DRIVE OUT THE TRAITORS ! FOR THE EMPIRE ! FOR ITS PEOPLE !”

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Thu 28 Apr 2022 15:13:10 No.5246765 Report

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>>5246762

“EMPEROR ! EMPEROR ! EMPEROR !” Shouts hailing you soon dominate the docks, you feel that all of the breath in your lungs had disappeared, you hands shake uncontrollably as you realize what disaster had just been averted, a knife poised to strike you in the back once you concentrate to meet your uncle, had you been any slower, these men may have very well been convince to betray you. But now, now they march under your banner, and under your command.

“FOLLOW US, BRAVE WARRIORS OF FAITH !” You deliver a final shout, turning your rather tame horse around and beginning your return back to the palace.

Riding there, you are relieved to see the banners of Scholae Tagmata (School regiment/battalion) flying high, your loyal guards had rallied from the gates to aid you in the upcoming battle.

You also notice something, in the middle of the ever-growing formations. An opulent banner made of purple cloth and gold thread, depicting the imperial wolf, crowned with a diadem. One of its paw’s bearing a sword, the other a sceptre. The war banner of the emperor.

Getting to it, you spot Armentarius and the church’s holy knight landing around you.

“Your majesty. The palace is secure, as far as we can secure it so short a time, some groups are still fighting within, but they should no longer pose a serious threat.” He reports.

“Excellent.” You remark, breathing heavily, sweet covering you. “And the enemy ?”

“We’ve already begin clashing with them across the streets, from the reports we’ve received, it seems that your majesty’s uncle, Photius, is in command of the rebels. It also appears that he has drawn the entire army of his théma (placement, district) of Orospulón (east mountain). Mainly poorly equipped levies, but he has a core of experienced mercenaries and a thousand of our own Scholae (School) and whatever city garrisons were stationed at the Eastern gate.” He quickly reports.

“Can we win ?” You ask the most important question.

“It is to be seen. Our forces stand roughly equal, if you would allow me your majesty. We must set up defensive lines, slowly grind his army to dust, preventing your majesty’s uncle from deploying his entire force.” Armentarius surmises.

“If I may, your majesty.” One of the holy knights interjects.

“What is faithful of the Shepherd ?”

“I and our own can bring forth a quick end to the battle. Allow me to command, our brothers and I shall decapitate the rebel’s leadership whilst your majesty’s army attacks and ties down the foe. Without leaders, morale will quickly collapse and we shall emerge victorious.”

You begin to ponder, before turning to one of your bodyguards that had followed you. “Find the new leader of the city guard. I want him here and his opinion of the battle. We shall hear the ideas of all of our warriors.”

“At once, your majesty.” The guard responds.

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Thu 28 Apr 2022 15:14:12 No.5246768 Report

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>>5246765

It only takes about two minutes before a man in his forties, clean shaven and still healthy looking is brought before you.

“Your majesty, I am humbled that you would call for me.” The man says whilst kowtowing.

“Tell us, do the guards of the city have a strategy for the battle to come ?”

“We know the city trough and through, your majesty. And we are trained for it. Ambushed, traps, deceptions. We can bring the enemy within the city and allow them to spread out, we shall whittle them down until nothing remains by the time they reach the palace.” The new commander of the city guard you rallied responds.

With advice given, it now comes to you to make the decision.

>Armentarius shall grind them down and exhaust their strength before they spread through the city fighting in a defensive style.

>The holy knight captain. With an aggressive style of attack, he shall decapitate the leadership as your army pins down most of the foes.

>The city guard captain. Ambush and trickery shall bring your opponent down as they overextend in their attempt to secure the city.

>Of course, you could ignore the advice of your men, you are the emperor after all, and whose has better ideas than one allowed to rule due to divine right. (Write in)

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Anonymous ID:oPI2nu+n Thu 28 Apr 2022 15:19:52 No.5246777 Report

Quoted By: >>5246833

>>5246749
>the pirates would do whatbi say they would just because
>no one would get mad about inviting pirates to ply their trade

You are so tiresome.

>>5246756
>Giving the throne to the most influential family in the Senate for free isn't a plan you little shit, tell me how would you keep that family's loyalty after the heir was born?

There you go making shit up again

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:3SI9EaN8 Thu 28 Apr 2022 15:21:33 No.5246783 Report

Quoted By: >>5246784 >>5247121

>The holy knight captain. With an aggressive style of attack, he shall decapitate the leadership as your army pins down most of the foes.
In hindsight, we probably didn't need them enough to pay the price we're going to have to pay, but we may as well use them now and stop the rebellion from spreading.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:3SI9EaN8 Thu 28 Apr 2022 15:22:48 No.5246784 Report

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>>5246783
meant to >>5246768

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oPI2nu+n Thu 28 Apr 2022 15:28:38 No.5246794 Report

Quoted By: >>5246812 >>5246833 >>5247121

>>5246760
>Even though I am the head of the church many may disagree with such orders later on. They may demand just recompense, perhaps they may use the precedent set here to interfere with temporal politics.

Lol great

>>5246760
>Griffins. Winged beasts, half eagle, half lion.
>high fantasy shenanigans

Meh, wasting my time arguing with a favela monkey for nothing

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UBr4B5/G Thu 28 Apr 2022 15:31:47 No.5246799 Report

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>>5246768
>Do a phased plan, go with the holy knights captain's plan first as it mostly seems like Armentarius's plan except with the holy knights as a decapitation element and the scholae and city guard as fixing elements, transition to Armentarius's plan if that should fail, and if they make it inside the city use the City guard captain's plan as they disperse to loot or chase unit overly aggressively.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:vSe1EZ2q Thu 28 Apr 2022 15:35:46 No.5246810 Report

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>>5246768
>The holy knight captain. With an aggressive style of attack, he shall decapitate the leadership as your army pins down most of the foes.
if our uncle dies they will lose all legitemacy.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Thu 28 Apr 2022 15:37:08 No.5246812 Report

Quoted By: >>5246968

>>5246794

>high fantasy shenanigans

If you're concerned about mages flinging fireballs, do not worry. The extend of fantasy here more or less concerns that of biesties and really nothing more. Do not expect mages capable of devastating entire armies, nor can you expect divine intervention or anything of the sort. It is kind of based on the various mythologies of our own world and even that is subdued. So no talking dragons or exceptionally intelligent creatures or shapeshifters to boot, I should add here in the end, just in case I need to prepare the bonking stick.

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Thu 28 Apr 2022 15:54:21 No.5246833 Report

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>>5246768

>The holy knight captain. With an aggressive style of attack, he shall decapitate the leadership as your army pins down most of the foes.

It would be better to avoid the destruction of the capital.

>>5246777

Considering your mental capacity I'll draw it for you. Our warships could legally commit acts of piracy, our pirates for hire don't have to be foreigners, understand?
By the way, who's talking about creating things out of nothing? It's like seeing a politician accusing a mobster of corruption.

>>5246794

The only place you're going to waste time is in jail, your single parent support ticket.

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Anonymous ID:tEgAB2QM Thu 28 Apr 2022 16:14:21 No.5246848 Report

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Lads are we not all Thephians here? We shouldn't be strangling eachother over things that already happened it's not going to really get us anywhere.
>The holy knight captain. With an aggressive style of attack, he shall decapitate the leadership as your army pins down most of the foes.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Mk8wxxdk Thu 28 Apr 2022 17:09:36 No.5246870 Report

Quoted By: >>5246970 >>5247060

>>5246768
>Armentarius shall grind them down and exhaust their strength before they spread through the city fighting in a defensive style.
>The city guard captain. Ambush and trickery shall bring your opponent down as they overextend in their attempt to secure the city.

Do both of these, they seem compatible to me.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Thu 28 Apr 2022 18:36:11 No.5246968 Report

Quoted By: >>5247018 >>5247022

>>5246812

I guess I should remark that if you anons have questions or concerns about the "fantasy" elements. Feel free to ask and I shall address them as well as I can.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Thu 28 Apr 2022 18:38:42 No.5246970 Report

Quoted By: >>5247060

>>5246870

Armentarius' plan calls for the complete blocking of invaders pushing forward into the city and narrowing the front as much as possible.

The city guards' plan calls for a fighting retreat, drawing elements away from each other deeper into the city and annihilating them piecemeal.

Both are mutually exclusive, and each will put a different man in charge of the battle.

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Thu 28 Apr 2022 19:36:10 No.5247018 Report

Quoted By: >>5247043

>>5246968

Is there only one race in this world? Magic, does it exist? What kind of creatures can we find? is god real in this universe? And the devil?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:tEgAB2QM Thu 28 Apr 2022 19:39:38 No.5247022 Report

Quoted By: >>5247043

>>5246968
How often do Griffins reproduce and how long does it take for one to reach maturity? Is their lifespan long like a Birds or is it like a Lions? How big are they?

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Thu 28 Apr 2022 20:05:37 No.5247043 Report

Quoted By: >>5247048

>>5247018

>Is there only one race in this world?

Yes. Humanity fuck yea.

>Magic, does it exist?

Fireballs, control of weather ? The whole shabang ? No. Since I am basing this on "realistic" mythology, (I myself am not fond of high nor mid fantasy, my history nerd brain refuses to accept magic.). Oracles, soothsayers, stuff like that ? Exceptionally rare, most are charlatans. So if someone high of their rockers comes over and tells you something, you have no clue if they are lying, if they just so happen to get it correct if they are exceptionally observant or good at gathering info, or if they can actually see the future and prophesize shit, once again, you do not know and you'll have to see. The church considers people like those filthy heathens and they tend to burn them at the stake.

>What kind of creatures can we find?

Beast oriented ones. Shit like goblins or kobold or gnolls, there are none. Something like a giant frog, a direwolf, etc. are as far as I am going to introduce fantastical creatures.

>is god real in this universe? And the devil?

Great question of philosophy. There are stories of divine intervention, like for that of the Shepherd, but that's about it. No great battle, no amazing conquest, no outbreak or anything of the sort can be truly attributed to divine intervention, but of course people will always find "signs" about it. If they are real or perceived I will leave for you to decide.

>>5247022

>How often do Griffins reproduce and how long does it take for one to reach maturity?

They have a mating season in spring. Usually between one to three eggs are laid. Hatchling griffons reach maturity in three years, though in a few months they can hunt independently for small prey. They grow rather quickly for their size and they are carnivores, so they devour meat like it is no one's business.

>Is their lifespan long like a Birds or is it like a Lions?

Griffins live between 15-20 years on average. Longest living one was recorded to have reached 30 years of age, but it was rather weak and incapable of flight.

>How big are they?

Mature griffons usually reach around the size of a proper well-fed warhorse. Male and female griffons are usually around the same size, with male griffons having a tendency of having more colourful feathers.

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Thu 28 Apr 2022 20:10:13 No.5247048 Report

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>>5247043

If this is the case, can natural disasters be considered divine interventions? Heaven's Will Style.

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Thu 28 Apr 2022 20:12:25 No.5247051 Report

Quoted By: >>5247055

>>5247048

Yea, like they were in our history. Droughts, disease, famine. Shit like that can rile up the peasants into believing that it is their lord's fault for not being pious enough, and such God clearly no longer wants for them to rule

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Thu 28 Apr 2022 20:17:41 No.5247055 Report

Quoted By: >>5247081

>>5247051

Last question, if these creatures exist how do they affect the world at large? Like these winged beasts could become primitive bombers, how would a traditional army handle that? Can these creatures be used for non-military uses? Like a giant goat doing the work of a horse in mountainous regions.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Mk8wxxdk Thu 28 Apr 2022 20:20:52 No.5247060 Report

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>>5246768
>>5246870
>>5246970
Changing to:
>The holy knight captain. With an aggressive style of attack, he shall decapitate the leadership as your army pins down most of the foes.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Thu 28 Apr 2022 20:35:46 No.5247081 Report

Quoted By: >>5248334

>>5247055

>Like these winged beasts could become primitive bombers, how would a traditional army handle that?

If griffons are expected, special ballista and scorpions equipped with heavy weighted nets are employed. Since all you have to do is entangle the wings and the creature is kinda fucked. Though again, whilst these are natural creatures in nature, their populations are not large, as they require a lot of food and are annoying to domesticate (mama griffin ain't too fond of you messing with her eggs).

>Can these creatures be used for non-military uses? Like a giant goat doing the work of a horse in mountainous regions.

Yea, they usually are. Just like IRL where you seek yaks in the Himalayas and all that. A big goat able to just out right ignore gravity, like goats always try and some-fucking-how succeed IRL.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Thu 28 Apr 2022 21:19:22 No.5247121 Report

Quoted By: >>5247138 >>5247301

>>5246768

>The holy knight captain. With an aggressive style of attack, he shall decapitate the leadership as your army pins down most of the foes.

Swift aggression I favor.

>>5246783
>>5246794
Yea, I’m not exactly happy with politicizing the institution within the first year of our reign. I much would’ve rather that they keep to spiritual affairs and we help them in propagating the faith and punishing the heretical.

>>5246749
The fact is if we gave you all of what you wanted the MC would be dead at this point, the Pirate Haven thing would’ve lost us the entire palace guard instead of just most of them, just to put things into perspective for ya.

>>5246756
>Giving the throne to the most influential family in the Senate for free isn't a plan you little shit, tell me how would you keep that family's loyalty after the heir was born?
First, it isn’t free, it binds them to us and allows us to benefit from their influence network. Second, controlling them is simple, assassinate the reigning patriarch and take control of the house directly as head of the house. This plan is certainly better than pissing them off for life and leaving them alive to enact their revenge.

>By the way, you talk as if the senate were not made up of several families with different interests, do you really think that such an influential family had no enemies?
I imagine the other great (corrupt) houses are in competition with one another, but having an influential house would’ve help out and mitigated most of the Senate.

>In fact, there is the possibility that this family will disappear now that they have lost their power and that the family that hated them can give us a chance, not all rich families act in a cohesive way.
Unless there is a direct threat to their collective power that will force them to unite against us (such as our administration reforms). Plus, I doubt an powerful influential house that played the political game for 300 years will suddenly go away or cease to become a threat lad.

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Thu 28 Apr 2022 21:39:22 No.5247138 Report

Quoted By: >>5247292

>>5247121

>Wait, hasn't this conversation happened before?

I even said that killing the patriarch would provoke the noble house even more because of our origin. Man you know what forget it, you're right.
Maybe this is the only way to end the infinite loop that is happening. In fact, the port would be the worst possible idea, the moment the ink hit the paper, our noble bodyguard would pierce our spine with the sword.

Without a doubt this would be the worst option already mentioned, thank you for your noble service to the empire you should get a medal for it.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Fri 29 Apr 2022 00:02:14 No.5247292 Report

Quoted By: >>5247431

>>5247138
>I even said that killing the patriarch would provoke the noble house even more because of our origin.
That would be irrelevant, because it would be done via assassination, and we could probably stage it so it looks like the assassin was aiming for us and that the patriarch heroically sacrificed himself to save the Emperor. Really solidify our support and control within the noble house as we take up the mantle of house patriarch, as was his dying wish and blessings. Granted, I don’t think it would be that easy, but it would’ve put us in a better position to influence Empire politics and would begin subverting the World-Shield noble house into our own political bulwark.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:WWRiS1A5 Fri 29 Apr 2022 00:07:01 No.5247301 Report

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>>5246768
>The holy knight captain. With an aggressive style of attack, he shall decapitate the leadership as your army pins down most of the foes.
I do not want these guys going on a suicide mission, but decapitating our uncle sooner rather than later is a good idea. After all, if he's dead then what are the rebels fighting for?

>>5247121
Linking the church and state so soon isn't the best of ideas, but as long as we act very pious (which we are already with the asceticism and church background) we might be able to get away with it, claiming that our piety was what got the church onside. E.g if we were opulent and ignorant of church matters they wouldn't have come to our side, or at least that's what we should try to claim.

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Fri 29 Apr 2022 02:26:50 No.5247431 Report

Quoted By: >>5247438

>>5247292

A lot of work for a house that was defeated by a document, seriously if you want a noble marriage all right. Let's see the options and reach a consensus, crying endlessly over something that has passed will not change anything. Especially the fact that barbaric marriage is our best option.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Fri 29 Apr 2022 02:34:47 No.5247438 Report

Quoted By: >>5247882

>>5247431
>A lot of work for a house that was defeated by a document

Lol, did you seriously think you defeated them? The game ain’t over until one of us ends up dead.

Indonesian Gentleman

Indonesian Gentleman ID:q22NTfgK Fri 29 Apr 2022 06:01:30 No.5247600 Report

Quoted By: >>5247625 >>5247723

>>5246768
>Holy Knight Captain's idea as the main core strategy
>Armentarius and City Guard Captain's tactics combined to gum the attackers in the streets while the Holy Griffins kill the rebel heads
>Then afterwards have Armentarius and the mercs sweep to clean up the opposition forces
This sounds like a good plan.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:W1pKpPF+ Fri 29 Apr 2022 06:49:46 No.5247625 Report

Quoted By:

>>5247600
+1
We might be able to reduce casualties like this

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UBr4B5/G Fri 29 Apr 2022 11:16:58 No.5247723 Report

Quoted By:

>>5247600
I mean...this is basically just my plan but worded differently

Also the QM already clarified that the plans are mutually exclusive.

>>5246768
Speaking of which, I'll switch my vote for...
>The holy knight captain. With an aggressive style of attack, he shall decapitate the leadership as your army pins down most of the foes.

Once our uncle is dead the troops will have no cause to fight for.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Fri 29 Apr 2022 15:44:31 No.5247882 Report

Quoted By: >>5248753

>>5247438

>Out of nowhere it turned into a wild west movie.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Fri 29 Apr 2022 22:22:28 No.5248334 Report

Quoted By:

>>5247081
QM?

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Fri 29 Apr 2022 22:39:29 No.5248365 Report

Quoted By: >>5248366

“The griffons are an unexpected factor. The holy knights shall lead us in the upcoming battle.” You decide.

“As you command, your majesty.” The trio of voices respond to your command.

-
(POV shift: You are Priscian Vatatzes, a holy knight of the church.)

The wind blows heavily and loudly. The air currents screech as they are cut apart by your decorative skysteel wings upon your helmet. Your trusted mount, an aging beast a decade old, brings you ever higher. The sound of battle however, does not grow distant, as thousands of men clash with one another.

Flying through the skies you can clearly see the happenings of the battle. A large levy force backed by mercenaries clashes aggressively with the city guard in the centre, brutal street fighting where formations have a hard time forming sees many men die due to attacks outside of their visions. A particular scene catches your attention, one of the city guards, a hidden talent, using his shield as a brace rapidly thrusts his spear, a display of incredible strength and stamina. The endless attacks force the poorly equipped levies, men clad in nothing but thick cloth, simple round wooden shields and short spears do nothing as the spear finds its way in the gap of their defences. But a man can only fight for so long, a moment of hesitation, tiredness perhaps, sees the man hesitate against a foe much smaller than him, this momentary distraction means that due to the sounds of battle, the valiant spearman does not notice another levy, on his right, injured and hobbling, driving his spear through his throat.

On the right side of battle, upon one of the wide streets, a sight fitting for greater battles against greater foes rather than the pointless slaughter, can be seen. The Scholae Tagmata (School regiment/battalion), their lances facing forward, ride swiftly on their armoured horses face their former kin. The sound of lances breaking, due to having to impact so much armour, the screams of horses in distress, the shouts of pain, cries of glory, all merge together as the two sides devastate each other in their charge. Despite the much larger engagement in the centre, it is here that most die in so short a time. Hundreds are slain in moments, then chaos reigns, without much room to manoeuvre, the riders draw forth their maces, axes, and blades. They begin their brutal and confusing clash on horseback, the banners of the imperial wolf and the archangel of Angelus fly high, showing determination to fight to the death, for in a battle like this, the only fate awaiting the loser is death. Be it death in battle, or be it execution for treason, with no other recourse left, these men portray skill and power usually unseen even in the most brutal of battles.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Fri 29 Apr 2022 22:40:30 No.5248366 Report

Quoted By: >>5248370

>>5248365

The left sees the maritime mercenaries clashing against the treacherous city guards. A poor engagement as any, but you simply lack the forces to plug all of the gaps, had you fought conservatively, perhaps such engagement would not have happened, but your need to strike quickly meant that you could not as effectively divide the men. The poorly, for this conflict, equipped mercenaries begin their clash, casualties quickly mounting as they try to push against the shield walls hastily thrown together. But a hastily held shield is better than no shield at all. The spears thrust, men scream and fall back, only to be reinvigorated to charge once again by their local commanders. Surprisingly, some nimbler of the mercenaries, manage to jump over the formations, most, heroic, foolish, but heroic of these men die quick, painful deaths, on occasions however, one succeeds, opening a gap allowing their lightly equipped allies to break through and start inflicting casualties.

And at the back of it all, riding back and forth continuously is a small formation of perhaps thirty horsemen. The war banner of the emperor flying high and proud, shouts of encouragement are difficult to discern, but they can be heard, the men know that their emperor fights besides them.

Young foolish man. You know not the steps of hell you thread. Death shall come for thee and thy can only hope to bring light upon the world. May thy spirit not breaketh under duress of the diadem thy wear.

You hope that the young man shall succeed. He has hope and spirit, unlike most recent rulers, but should he stray, should he oppose the church and the Shepherd’s, even if it would pain you, his death would come by your hand. A swift death, a painless death, would be the mercy that you would grant.

But for now, you have an execution to carry forth. The archangel Netarius, a fitting symbol for a house that claims to be angelic. The white detailed drawing of the archangel set upon a vibrant blue background, tells you all you need to know. The traitor Photius. Other, lesser banners are also spread out, your brothers-in-faith already prepared to dive and bring forth retribution upon your signal. You try your best to recall their faces, many of you shall die diving into the middle of such a host. But your sacrifice, nay, your martyrdom shall bring an end to this battle, and it will hopefully signal the coming of a new age, a greater age, one once more filled with the empire’s and God’s glory.

Your mount screeches as you command it to dive, and as once, nineteen more join their kin in their possibly final battle.

Sheer speed of your movement causes your eyes to water, your great blade held firmly in your hand is ready to reap its share of lives this day. Indistinct features become ever clearer as your draw closer, they had spotted you now, heads rising in response to the noise your approach makes.

It is too late to protect your lord, brave men of the empire.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Fri 29 Apr 2022 22:41:31 No.5248370 Report

Quoted By: >>5248373

>>5248366

Your crash heavily onto the horse of the best armoured and the most extravagantly decorated man in the formation. The drop sees your griffin’s claw smash the horses head onto the floor, its skull is cracked and crushed, brain matter and blood quickly stains your steed’s underside, eyes pop from the pressure of the strike. Unfortunately, you were not able to deliver the killing blow. Some quick-witted bodyguard had thrown the man away from your reach, and in exchange he had received the blow from your blade, The blade you had swung just as your mount impacted, a trained, almost natural by now, reaction, using the full force of the strike to deliver a truly frightening blow.

Carrying so much force, you decapitate the bodyguard. Photius is currently laying on the floor, scrambling away from your reach, struggling to draw his blade. His bodyguards, seeing their liege in mortal peril, hurl themselves at you. Sharp spear tips threatening to end your life.

Swinging your blade sideways, you deflect their strikes. Out of instinct the griffin pounces upon the closest man, his sharp talons ripping apart the steel, the sickening sound of armour being torn apart quickly supresses most of the sounds in your surroundings. The entire time, you try to swing your blade in a defensive style so as to protect your steed. Despite your attempts, some spears get through, screaming out in pain, the griffin tries to once more rise to the skies, but you force him downwards, you only have one chance.

I am sorry my friend, but sacrifice is necessary for times of crisis.

Lunging onwards, the horses around you start to panic, a natural predator in their midst making them cowardly, Photius had been able to stand on his feet, behind lines of his guards.

You jump. The moment your steed’s height had reached its maximum. Slamming onto one of the bodyguards, you both tumble to the ground. Using the force of your fall you roll and rise to your feet, receiving a spear in the gap on your armour for your effort.

Gritting your teeth, you simply force through the pain. Ignoring your aching muscles and bruised body from the drop, you rush onwards.

Bringing forth a downwards strike, you catch Photius as he parries your strike. His strength similar to yours, but you have a heavier weapons and superior height. Delivering blow after blow, you ignore the mounting danger you face, spears being deflected by your fine armour, some however, find gaps in between the plate and draw your blood.

Feinting an attack from your right, you instead turn it into an upwards slash. Catching your foe, you manage a cut on his wrist, an exposed part, an unfortunate necessity in order to ensure mobility.

Your sight shakes and your ears ring, horrific pain and dizziness comes over you. A mace strike had impacted you. A dent on your helmet now clearly visible no doubt.

Roaring, you take a stance necessary to lunge and deliver a stab capable of skewering the man in one go.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Fri 29 Apr 2022 22:42:32 No.5248373 Report

Quoted By: >>5248375 >>5248417

>>5248370

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-
(End of POV shift.)

The Sun is slowly rising, staining the world red just as the ground in front of you. The mutilated body of the holy knight captain lays before you. Entire spearheads sticking out of him, his armour dented and broken in places. The fine angelic wings broken and shattered, the perfect white cloak long torn and bloodied, the pale plate is stained red by both the blood of your foes and that of the brave man before you.

His griffin also lays slayed by his side, it seems that the creature had charged to assist its master in his time of need, only for heavy spears to piece his thick skin, ripping open the griffin’s throat, causing a slow death, luckily accelerated by numerous wounds on the body.

The depressing sight is made somewhat better, or at least some would claim, by the corpse of your uncle. The keen edge still stuck through his stomach, bent and damaged due to having to impact so heavily. A testament to the toughness of skysteel, as most regular steel would not have been able to achieve such a feat.

His body is lain to rest, gingerly and carefully upon the banners of house Angelus. His fine crafted plate, decorated with silver, rubies and amethysts now is rent and broken. His blade rests by his side. A surprisingly respectful death, in such chaos.

Most surprising of all are his body guards. A couple of dozen of men are on their knees next to their now fallen master. A great display of loyalty, they seem to be waiting for the moment that you will put them to death, so that they could join their master.

“Your majesty, the last of the traitors have finally put down their arms. We were also able to ascertain that the traitors had indeed almost entirely drained Orospulón (east mountain) of its garrison, leaving the heartland potentially exposed to Lucenian raids.”

“How are our casualties looking ?” You ask solemnly.

“Badly, the city garrison had consisted of about seven thousand men, not counting the traitors we have about four thousand left. The Scholae (School) stands less than half strength, below two thousand, as for the mercenaries, their numbers shall replenish quickly enough, so there is no need to worry much about them.” Surmises Armentarius.

“And what of the servants in the palace ? The eunuchs ?” The sights you’ve seen flash across your mind.

“All those who were on duty at the time were killed. The eunuchs seem to have been specifically targeted, were it not for our intervention they would all have been slaughtered to the last man, parakoimomenos (one who sleeps nearby) Gallienus is currently busying himself in trying to get the palace beck in order.”

“I see. And the people ?”

“It seems that the traitors wished to avoid any excessive damage to the city, the fighting had been primarily limited to the streets.”

“But some people still died.”

“Yes, your majesty.”

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Fri 29 Apr 2022 22:43:34 No.5248375 Report

Quoted By: >>5248389 >>5248409 >>5248421 >>5248457 >>5248501 >>5248504 >>5248631 >>5248633 >>5248699 >>5248753 >>5248816 >>5248899 >>5248907 >>5248948 >>5249258

>>5248373

“Tell us, domestikos (domestic, commander), what is usually done with traitors ?”

“Hanged and quartered.”

So much life lost, yet more to be potentially ended by your command.

What is to be done with the traitors ?

Choose from the brackets

>”They shall die, betrayal cannot be tolerated” (City guard, levies, Scholae, mercenaries, house Angelus troops.)

>”They will be pardoned and returned to their positions. Under strict watch and under to pretence that if they are to fail us once more, they shall die. (City guard, levies, Scholae, mercenaries, house Angelus troops.)

>”They shall be exiled. Let them seek their fortunes away from the empire’s embrace. (City guard, levies, Scholae, mercenaries, house Angelus troops.)

>”They shall be enslaved. Made to till the fields and work the mines.” (City guard, levies, Scholae, mercenaries, house Angelus troops.)

Finally, your administrative reform. The senate is gathered, and they have witnessed the battle.

>Push the reform through, after showing that you can defeat your foes, you doubt that they’d dare to oppose you.

>Let sleeping dogs lie, you shall introduce it later, if at all.

>A different reform, for a different time, as all of your opposition, for now, has been crushed. (Write in)

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Fri 29 Apr 2022 22:49:17 No.5248386 Report

Quoted By: >>5248387 >>5248391 >>5248411 >>5248448 >>5248544 >>5248758 >>5248874

I tend to make background rolls to see what happens in the world, especially for chaotic situations like battles, and I have to say anons, by the skin of your fucking teeth, but you succeeded.

DC was 40

55, 38, 43

In case you anons were interested. The system is a confirmation dice (to represent the difficulty of the setting), meaning that the DC has to be beaten twice to actually pass. (No crit fails nor crit successes due to these reasons)

And I suppose I should extend this question to you anons, do you actually want to see these DCs and rolls ? Of course, only after you make the decision, or would you rather find out what happened in the writing, as I do now ?

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Fri 29 Apr 2022 22:50:17 No.5248387 Report

Quoted By:

>>5248386

Should clarify that you will be making the rolls in the former's case.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CoBNI0xt Fri 29 Apr 2022 22:50:56 No.5248389 Report

Quoted By: >>5248421 >>5248650

>>5248375
>”They shall die, betrayal cannot be tolerated” ( Scholae, house Angelus troops.)
>”They shall be enslaved. Made to till the fields and work the mines.” (City guard, levies, mercenaries)

>Push the reform through, after showing that you can defeat your foes, you doubt that they’d dare to oppose you.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CoBNI0xt Fri 29 Apr 2022 22:51:58 No.5248391 Report

Quoted By:

>>5248386
>And I suppose I should extend this question to you anons, do you actually want to see these DCs and rolls ?
yes pls

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Fri 29 Apr 2022 23:09:51 No.5248409 Report

Quoted By: >>5248413

>>5248375

>”They will be pardoned and returned to their positions. Under strict watch and under to pretence that if they are to fail us once more, they shall die. (City guard, levies, Scholae, mercenaries.) With the exception of House Angelus troops. The empire needs soldiers, and the blood of the empire's citizens is too precious to spurt in vain. However the chaos brought by the Angelus house cannot go unpunished, the house will unfortunately have to be exterminated, may the divine shepherd have mercy on their souls .

The eunuchs remained loyal, who knew huh? We now owe a huge debt to the church, and I honestly am willing to pay it, they deserve it.

>Push the reform through, after showing that you can defeat your foes, you doubt that they’d dare to oppose you.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Fri 29 Apr 2022 23:12:06 No.5248411 Report

Quoted By:

>>5248386

I prefer not to see it, and it is more atmospheric to see the result without the mechanics, giving an air of true historical fact.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CoBNI0xt Fri 29 Apr 2022 23:12:48 No.5248413 Report

Quoted By: >>5248432 >>5248461

>>5248409
Leaving Scholae traitors alive is madness.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:vfC+QQGS Fri 29 Apr 2022 23:14:45 No.5248417 Report

Quoted By: >>5248421 >>5248427 >>5248504 >>5248544

>>5248373
>Execute the traitorous Scholae Tagmata, have the loyalists of their order decimate their former comrades alongside the treacherous House Angelus Troops, both of them forgot who they are meant to serve.
>Pardon the Levies it's not like they would have been able to refuse our Uncle.
>Pardon the City Guard, same as above.
>Enslave the enemy Mercenaries.
>Push the Reform through.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CoBNI0xt Fri 29 Apr 2022 23:18:20 No.5248421 Report

Quoted By:

>>5248375
Actually gonna switch from this >>5248389
to this >>5248417
We do need those troops on the eastern border

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:S1Wf1zxT Fri 29 Apr 2022 23:24:22 No.5248427 Report

Quoted By: >>5248544

>>5248417
Support. The peons were just following orders, the mercenaries will be made to repay their debt to the Empire through service and the Scholae, who committed not just treason but betrayal of the one they were sworn to serve, will not be leaving alive. HA troops are in the middle.

We also need to discuss what to do with House Angelus now their leader is dead. New leadership? Creative punishment? Complete dismantlement?

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Fri 29 Apr 2022 23:27:26 No.5248432 Report

Quoted By:

>>5248413

With the house wiped out they can spend their lives elsewhere, at the moment we need warm bodies to make up for the losses.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:vfC+QQGS Fri 29 Apr 2022 23:35:50 No.5248448 Report

Quoted By:

>>5248386
Forgot to answer, don't care about dice but you could just spoiler it so people dont complain either way

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:hOg/qdie Fri 29 Apr 2022 23:45:07 No.5248457 Report

Quoted By:

>>5248375
>”They will be pardoned and returned to their positions. Under strict watch and under to pretence that if they are to fail us once more, they shall die. (City guard, levies, Scholae, mercenaries, house Angelus troops.)

>>Push the reform through, after showing that you can defeat your foes, you doubt that they’d dare to oppose you.

Accelerate

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:hOg/qdie Fri 29 Apr 2022 23:47:57 No.5248461 Report

Quoted By: >>5248485 >>5248500

>>5248413
No no, listen to the favela monkey, it's a good idea just like all of his other ideas.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Sat 30 Apr 2022 00:22:44 No.5248485 Report

Quoted By: >>5248500 >>5248533 >>5248567

>>5248461

I generously appreciate your support, it's not easy for someone like you to recognize someone of superior intellect, and to recognize that you don't have the mental capacity to make your own decisions.

With a little more effort maybe you won't kill yourself until your thirties, the chances are low but remember, they're not non-existent, just like your mental stability.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:E5oJjI8B Sat 30 Apr 2022 00:31:01 No.5248499 Report

Quoted By: >>5248526

>swear to protect the emperor with your life
>betray and try to kill him
>walk away scot free and keep your position
What is this retardation?

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:vfC+QQGS Sat 30 Apr 2022 00:31:03 No.5248500 Report

Quoted By:

>>5248485
>>5248461
kek

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:5C3NZcKs Sat 30 Apr 2022 00:31:37 No.5248501 Report

Quoted By: >>5248521 >>5248525 >>5248534 >>5248667

>>5248375
>”They shall die, betrayal cannot be tolerated” Scholae, house Angelus troops
>”They shall be enslaved. Made to till the fields and work the mines.” City guard, levies, mercenaries

>Push the reform through, after showing that you can defeat your foes, you doubt that they’d dare to oppose you.

In terms of dealing with the Church I suggest supporting sending preachers to the pagan barbarians and supporting holy wars. That will excuse our use of Church forces and make it look like it was planned all along. Divide the barbarians by converting them and backing the converts against the rest. While supporting the idea of a holy war will also give the nobles and adventurers something to do(especially the later sons who normally wouldn't inherit shit) and prevent them from causing us problems. Most importantly it will give the nobility and Church something to do instead of focusing on us. Make the nobility be at each other's throats or focus outwardly by unleashing the goddamn Monks, disinherited noble sons, and Sacred warrior orders. It will also shut down any arguments by letting the Church have more political influence by simply giving them an excuse to focus outwardly and keep them busy.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:E5oJjI8B Sat 30 Apr 2022 00:33:28 No.5248504 Report

Quoted By:

>>5248375
Supporting
>>5248417

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:p2k37YnC Sat 30 Apr 2022 00:45:08 No.5248521 Report

Quoted By:

>>5248501
Supportng and good idea anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:vfC+QQGS Sat 30 Apr 2022 00:47:08 No.5248525 Report

Quoted By: >>5248667

>>5248501
Is it a good idea to make slaves out of levies? These men were fulfilling the duty they owed to their liege (our uncle) and were in no position to refuse. Not to mention they'll be missing out on harvests and be unable to support their families. We could use them for future campaigns as well.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Sat 30 Apr 2022 00:48:32 No.5248526 Report

Quoted By: >>5248537

>>5248499

Resuming their old functions is too strong a term, sending them to the front to die fighting barbarians at the behest of the emperor is the real intention. Besides, you can't interrogate the bodies, can you?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:hOg/qdie Sat 30 Apr 2022 00:58:22 No.5248533 Report

Quoted By:

>>5248485
>he's serious

kek.jpeg

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:hOg/qdie Sat 30 Apr 2022 01:00:50 No.5248534 Report

Quoted By: >>5248667

>>5248501
We CANNOT afford to lose that manpower, sure maybe these men made some mistakes, haven't we all? We should fully embrace our religious fervor and forgive them.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:hOg/qdie Sat 30 Apr 2022 01:06:25 No.5248537 Report

Quoted By: >>5248577

>>5248526
Right, yeah, we form all the former traitors up into an independent formation and post them on the border where they can protect us from evil barbarian invaders. With the spirit of redemption in them I am absolutely certain they will die to the last man to protect us all.

By God, maybe they'll even dredge up a few barbarian princesses for us to make a harem out of!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:WWRiS1A5 Sat 30 Apr 2022 01:14:34 No.5248544 Report

Quoted By: >>5248552 >>5248553

>>5248386
Revealing the dc afterwards might be a good idea. I don't want to know the outcome as I'm reading, but I'd like to see how we go afterwards.

>>5248417
Support, but I want to keep the House Angelus troops. They have fought well and now they are masterless, and we have a big gap in our Scholae Tagmata. Incorporating them should be fine, since the empire isn't fantasy-japan.

Also, you may want to use a different word than decimate, since that means we'll only kill a tenth and leave the rest alive.

>>5248427
We are currently the head of the house...

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:vfC+QQGS Sat 30 Apr 2022 01:21:57 No.5248552 Report

Quoted By:

>>5248544
>decimate
mb wasnt intending on the old roman meaning of the word

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:S1Wf1zxT Sat 30 Apr 2022 01:22:37 No.5248553 Report

Quoted By:

>>5248544
Shit, so we are. This does not speak well for my ability to retain pertinent information.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:gHasHl2h Sat 30 Apr 2022 01:33:42 No.5248567 Report

Quoted By:

>>5248485
Holy shit anon you made me kek

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Sat 30 Apr 2022 01:41:13 No.5248577 Report

Quoted By:

>>5248537

I'm talking specifically about the bodyguards, the militia will return home, the mercenaries abroad.

The guard of the noble house will be exterminated along with the rest, after all the house will never surrender to us, it will just be years of plotting and attempts against our life.

Seriously, only the bodyguards will get to what, fifty at most? It doesn't seem like such a big threat.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:B8WkQ91q Sat 30 Apr 2022 02:38:57 No.5248631 Report

Quoted By:

>>5248375
>”They shall die, betrayal cannot be tolerated” (City guard, levies, Scholae, mercenaries, house Angelus troops.)

>Push the reform through, after showing that you can defeat your foes, you doubt that they’d dare to oppose you.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Mk8wxxdk Sat 30 Apr 2022 02:39:19 No.5248633 Report

Quoted By:

>>5248375
>”They shall die, betrayal cannot be tolerated
Everyone

>Push the reform through, after showing that you can defeat your foes, you doubt that they’d dare to oppose you.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:1BocY4oC Sat 30 Apr 2022 02:56:53 No.5248650 Report

Quoted By:

>>5248389
Supporting

We have political capital now by crushing the rebellion - let’s not squander it.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:5C3NZcKs Sat 30 Apr 2022 03:15:16 No.5248667 Report

Quoted By: >>5248770

>>5248525
Good point on the levies. They don't really have much choice.

Amending my vote >>5248501
>”They will be pardoned and returned to their positions. Under strict watch and under to pretence that if they are to fail us once more, they shall die. Levies

>>5248534
That would make us a complete pushover and many of these men are outright treacherous traitors from our OWN FAMILY/personal faction. Killing all of them would be wasteful when we can enslave them for labor. Sorta need to kill those assholes and get rid of them for more loyal replacements.

Currently, we are already in too deep with the Church with the Patriarch SPECIFICALLY warned us about in regards to his OWN faction. This is why I came up with some ideas to tamper down the influences and hopefully give the nobility someone to target who isn't fucking us. Our ascetism has already been biting us on the ass in terms of influence even if the Church and peasants love us for it but holy shit we need to do something to counterbalance the Church influence(aka give them an external target who ISN'T fucking us/the Empire) the best way to do that makes them remember there are pagans abroad and to have fun. The nobles will get dragged into it because their extra sons have jackshit going for them and they love shoving their extra kids into monasteries anyhow. The military and Church will have a field day while the Nobility is caught in the middle.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Sat 30 Apr 2022 03:53:28 No.5248699 Report

Quoted By:

>>5248375
>”They shall die, betrayal cannot be tolerated” (Scholae, City guard)

>”They will be pardoned and returned to their positions. Under strict watch and under to pretence that if they are to fail us once more, they shall die. (levies)

>”They shall be enslaved. Made to till the fields and work the mines.” (mercenaries, house Angelus troops.)

>Push the reform through, after showing that you can defeat your foes, you doubt that they’d dare to oppose you.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Sat 30 Apr 2022 04:55:54 No.5248753 Report

Quoted By:

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Sat 30 Apr 2022 04:58:15 No.5248758 Report

Quoted By:

>>5248386
No, in Byzantine intrigue simulator I’d rather we not know what happens until the proverbial shoe drops.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Sat 30 Apr 2022 05:13:07 No.5248770 Report

Quoted By: >>5248792 >>5248906

>>5248667
Anon, I agree that we’ve been leaning too heavily on the Church, but I don’t think anons are going to diplo another faction to our cause. At this point I’m just waiting for the Patriarch to die so a slimy realpolitik can take his place and either force anons to diversify their powerbase or get completely cucked from relying on the church too heavily.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:5C3NZcKs Sat 30 Apr 2022 05:47:42 No.5248792 Report

Quoted By: >>5248816

>>5248770
We have been investing in other factions. The problem is it will take too long to yield anything and we need something to distract the Church and preferably the nobles. Our uncle completely fucked us with the only support base we had from the Church and took our family's support base with him. The prick gutted our bodyguards as a result as well. The good news is also scared the senate into submission temporarily, but that won't last long once they realize how gutted our guard just became, and half our original powerbase just got crippled.

Even if a realpolitik takes head as Patriarch he has to deal with the hardass factions in the Church who will hamstring him because they love us. As annoying as our asceticism is it makes it so impossible for any Church to seriously oppose us without getting their asses taken out by the fanatics. As such 'pious' emperors are incredibly rare and valuable existence to the Church. The zealots are going to fight tooth and nail. Any real politick who tries anything will have to worry about inquisitors and holy knights shoving swords up their asses. We are kinda their worse nightmare, to be honest. As normally those zealous guys couldn't stand the spoiled nobility and imperial family so they tended to ignore a lot shit. Now they have every reason to be alert and thus the real politicks/corrupt church members have to keep their heads down. As the fanatics are no doubt breathing down their necks.

Which is also very dangerous for us because they can just as easily turn on us should we choose to start acting less pious as in the interlude just shown by the Holy Knight Captain who sacrificed himself. Basically we sorta need to throw those zealots a bone real soon. After all we just let the Holy Knights come to play. So we must have SOMETHING planned right...or is the Church REALLY getting involved in Imperial politics now?

We have no choice but to throw them a bone or get raped by everyone for breaking the status quo. This means finding an excuse to unleashing the Church on pagans. We do that no harm no foul for breaking the accords with the Church intruding on Imperial politics. As it meant Uncle was breaching the secret not yet announced(totally didn't exist yet) agreement we had with the Church on mobilizing against the pagans. So the Church got pissed and intervened against someone intruding on their affairs. That is entirely reasonable and the excuse we desperately need.

I do agree we relying too heavily on the Church but our uncle stabbing us in the back really fucked on that front. Our only other power base just got crippled because of it. Now we have to wait for the commoners and merchants to enrich themselves and promote themselves via reforms and whatever holy fun the Church comes up with(hopefully dragging the military and nobility down with them). Which is going to be some very close calls in the near future as our powerbase is going to be teetering on the very brink.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Sat 30 Apr 2022 06:18:13 No.5248816 Report

Quoted By: >>5248833

>>5248792
>implying our powerbase won’t always be teetering on the bring with these anons

Honestly, I think we’ll keep self-sabotaging until the empire falls apart. I know anons didn’t want to marry the World-Shield lads, but that would have prevented our Uncle from marching into the Capital, with thousands dead, our armed forces in tatters, and our Palace Guard completely decimated.

This also reminds me…

>>5248375
>Slaughter or enslave whatever noble house replaced the World-Shield guys

Clearly this shouldn’t have happened on their watch.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:5C3NZcKs Sat 30 Apr 2022 06:58:33 No.5248833 Report

Quoted By: >>5248888

>>5248816
We can recoup our palace guard with mercs and zealots until we gradually find replacements. The real problem is our uncle also took out our support base. That just got crippled with him and will take decades to fix. Marrying the world shield would have been a disaster considering how much the nobles hate us. We also have to find a way to restaff the army he drew manpower from on the border. In terms of marriage, nobility is a terrible idea unless we let the Church find the most pious devout noblewoman in the entire Empire. Suffice it to say I am not exactly fond of our chances.

One unique advantage we DO have in terms of marriage candidates is actually the ultra ambitious and competent women. Normally they would be a threat but here's the thing. We have no power base and family for them to consider a threat to themselves. We are too pious and devout to ever cheat on them. Our own children are her legacy as well. So ironically we are actually the perfect match for such driven and ambitious women. The downside is they are also a bunch of power hungry cunts and will demand it. But we are in the unique position to ally with them through marriage and children. All our backers want is a 'good and pious wife'. She wants power. We can offer that.

Although it will piss off the nobles that a woman is sharing power but I'm pretty sure she will get a kick out of that and will be very hostile to anyone that is a threat to 'our' reign. It's just convincing her to see 'us' as one is the key to the arrangement and not having potential threats to themselves that are in our camp to antagonize them...but we don't have any so long as she ain't a whore and gives the fanatics a pious and good wife image to praise. We might even find such a woman stashed in a nunnery assuming she pissed off her family/enemies badly enough.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:WWRiS1A5 Sat 30 Apr 2022 09:22:12 No.5248874 Report

Quoted By: >>5248888

>>5248386
Out of interest, did dealing with the world shield family impact these events at all? Or even the way we did it?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Sat 30 Apr 2022 09:44:56 No.5248888 Report

Quoted By: >>5248901 >>5248916

>>5248833
I don’t know why you think the nobles would’ve hated us for being a peasant when our father was emperor, but I think we made a self-fulfilling prophecy in regards to the nobles. Same with not marrying into nobility, you’re making your own problems there. Remember, it isn’t about linage really but about pure power, which we have via prestige of being the Shepherd-damned Emperor.

I also thing considering marrying cunts you only care about your power and that don’t give any political benefits is foolhardy, but anons will anon I guess. Personally, choosing women emasculating the emperor as our waifu is a piss poor choice, but with barbarian princesses and such being considered as legitimate choices, I think it’s more of a feminist fetish than a realpolitik consideration.

Good luck finding a loyal waifu in a nunnery though, usually only the slutty thots get forced into that sort of life.

>>5248874
Do you really think that World-Sheild would’ve let these rebels near the Capital if they were married into the ruling emperor?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Rx0+7utS Sat 30 Apr 2022 10:06:10 No.5248899 Report

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>>5248375
>”They will be pardoned and returned to their positions. Under strict watch and under to pretence that if they are to fail us once more, they shall die. (City guard, levies, Scholae, mercenaries.) With the exception of House Angelus troops. The empire needs soldiers, and the blood of the empire's citizens is too precious to spurt in vain. However the chaos brought by the Angelus house cannot go unpunished, the house will unfortunately have to be exterminated, may the divine shepherd have mercy on their souls .
The levies were just following orders, mercs got paid and the city guard got swayed earlier then we could get there.
>Push the reform through, after showing that you can defeat your foes, you doubt that they’d dare to oppose you.
use the momentum.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:yLY8qwW/ Sat 30 Apr 2022 10:11:33 No.5248901 Report

Quoted By: >>5248955

>>5248888
>Do you really think that World-Sheild would’ve let these rebels near the Capital if they were married into the ruling emperor?
And how would they stop the rebels exactly? They would have no time to raise levies so it would be their personal bodyguards against a few thousands strong army.
I also doubt they would stay and fight to the death just to slow the rebels down for us. They would likely do absolutely nothing or offer token resistance before surrendering.
I don't think that the World-shield title revocation affected the rebellion in any way. We revoke it just a day ago. It takes more than that to march an army all the way from eastern border to the capital. The rebellion was being prepared for a while and we would be attacked this night in any case.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oPI2nu+n Sat 30 Apr 2022 10:26:02 No.5248906 Report

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>>5248770
I can't wait.

But, in the words of our wise friend of the jungle, thats probably just going to be a problem for one of our descendants so don't worry.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:yLY8qwW/ Sat 30 Apr 2022 10:28:53 No.5248907 Report

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>>5248375
>They shall die, betrayal cannot be tolerated” (Scholae, house Angelus troops.)
>”They will be pardoned and returned to their positions. Under strict watch and under to pretence that if they are to fail us once more, they shall die. (City guard, levies,)
>”They shall be enslaved. Made to till the fields and work the mines.” ( mercenaries)
>Push the reform through, after showing that you can defeat your foes, you doubt that they’d dare to oppose you.

Scholae should be executed twice. Once for rebelling against us and once for oathbreaking. Also I imagine sparing them would lower the loyal Scholae's morale and opinion of us. It would be a depreciation of their loyalty.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:5C3NZcKs Sat 30 Apr 2022 11:03:01 No.5248916 Report

Quoted By: >>5248955 >>5248981

>>5248888
Our father was a tyrannical usurper and paranoid madman. We are literally a bastard peasant born from a merchant daughter. The nobles have every reason to despise us and hate our guts sad to say. We can shut many of them up once we actually prove competent as is many of the more religious ones are keeping their mouths shut because we are just too damned pious.

Such an ambitious woman will come with skills and we don't know what kind of connections. Emasculating us will result in destroying any potential powerbase for herself as well, cause it sucks when there is no other backing besides a Church who expects you to be a good wife. I don't support barbarian princesses because that is retarded when Church is now our number 1 backer since our Family House just got crippled thanks to our uncle. We cannot have anything to do with pagan pussy unless she converts in which case she would no longer be a filthy heathen.

Sadly given the current circumstances, nunneries may very well be one of the only places we can even find a fucking wife because of all this bullshit. If we somehow don't end up with a zealot for a bride I'm gonna be shocked at this point. Frankly, I would kill for some allies who won't take decades to emerge and who aren't the fucking Church. Our short term prospects for allies are just so goddamn terrible it's not even funny. No, the commoners don't count they have no idea who the fuck we are and have no reason to give a shit yet. The only people who love us are the faithful but that has a lot of restraints and requires throwing them some bones.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:NWEMxukr Sat 30 Apr 2022 12:22:43 No.5248948 Report

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>>5248375
>”They shall die, betrayal cannot be tolerated” (Scholae, house Angelus troops)
>”They will be pardoned and returned to their positions. Under strict watch and under to pretence that if they are to fail us once more, they shall die. (levies)
>”They shall be enslaved. Made to till the fields and work the mines.” (City guard, mercenaries)
>Push the reform through, after showing that you can defeat your foes, you doubt that they’d dare to oppose you.

I don't think the levies are to blame. So they should be fine, since they are of the lower class it will help our relation with them.
Scholae and Angelus troops need to go, too much important and too much blame. The rest can be enslaved.
Anyway our uncle for what I care has just give us a good justification for not just the reform, but for take some of his money and bring them in the imperial treasury which will help us greatly. Thank you uncle for your money.
Now a good thing we should do.... give some honourable mourning for the fallen heroes and our public thanks+reward to the one that fought for us. The body of the captain of the holy knights, should be at the head of the mourning procession for his sacrifice.
With the reform going, we can start thinking on other stuff. Possible list of marriages, reward for Armentarius&guards, something small we can do that would make the church happy (there is no doubt something that would interest them, maybe it can be against heretic/pagans ? Or something more simple) and who we should visit for create new relations or improves ones already made (nobles, merchants, people, navy ecc ..).
A tour of the empire should be done later, it would be good that the empire people see us.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Sat 30 Apr 2022 13:02:35 No.5248955 Report

Quoted By: >>5248971 >>5248981

>>5248901
Do you honestly think that the large, unwieldy leaves would somehow be able to stealth past the fortresses guarding the interior unawares? That’s be doable for a small squad of elites, not a large warhost of peasants.

Also, do you think these fortresses wouldn’t have slowed the enemy down? Why even build them if they did fuck all to protecting the interior of the empire? Clearly things would’ve been different had we married inti the World-Shields.

>>5248916
Ok, the meme class hatred was funny in the beginning, but it’s worn out it’s welcome. The nobles don’t hate us because we’re a fucking peasant, I bet they could give less of a shit about that, they hate us because we’ve been fucking with their administration privileges and generally ignoring them until we decide to fuck their shit up. Pretending that they hate us just because we’re a bastard to the emperor is such a retarded meme to base your internal politicking off of.

Second off, an ambitious woman will try to take power directly. Shit mate, all she needs to say is that she holds our baby (even if she cucks us) to proclaim herself regent until the child come of age after she poisons our wine, and no one will bat an eye at it. You’d literally be inviting a poisonous serpent into our bed.

>Frankly, I would kill for some allies who won't take decades to emerge and who aren't the fucking Church.
>proceeds to ignore ally prospects
Lad, loyal allies ain’t gonna emerge from the sky to help us unconditionally, we need to actually be proactive and makes some goddamned non-Church allies if we want to survive the next five years without horrendous casualties from internal strife. It ain’t gonna be a picnic, and you’re gonna have to do shit you don’t like and tolerate some risk to create our powerbase, simple as.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:yLY8qwW/ Sat 30 Apr 2022 13:27:27 No.5248971 Report

Quoted By: >>5249294

>>5248955
What are you even talking about? Why would rebels need to take whatever fortress there was in the region? They are not an invading army the are a rebellion led by a noble. All they need to do is rush to the capital and usurp the empire. They don't need to secure supply lines or be afraid of raids.
The World-shield family is either on the rebel side or not. In the former case there is no need for a battle at all. In the later case they are caught with their pants down and greatly outnumbered. If they leave their fortress and try to slow the rebels down they will be slaughtered. Which is why unless we would somehow be able to instill an undying loyalty into the house in under one day they would just sit this one out.
No marriage would not help with this at all. The rebellion wasn't planned in one day. Do you really expect the World-shield family to risk betraying the rebellion or risking their house being torched for us? And for what? Not even for a marriage but for a PROMISE of a marriage.
>an ambitious woman will try to take power directly
A noblewoman wouldn't be ambitious at all though. Noble houses are known for being full of content people who never plot or backstab.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:WWRiS1A5 Sat 30 Apr 2022 13:35:14 No.5248975 Report

Quoted By: >>5248978 >>5248981

What do anons think we should do to bring the Scholae Tagmata back up to strength? Because holy hell are we going to need to lean on them right now. The one's that are left have proven their loyalty almost beyond a doubt, but now they're down to half strength. We NEED to reinforce them.

I personally don't think we should execute the House Angelus troops since we are their nominal master now. It's going to be hard to find the experienced troops needed to be the Emperor's personal bodyguards. I can't really think of any other options either.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:yLY8qwW/ Sat 30 Apr 2022 13:39:38 No.5248978 Report

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>>5248975
Angelus troops have to be executed. They are rebels and they are incredibly loyal to or uncle. Letting them go would be a bad show but letting them join the ranks of our bodyguards would be suicidal imo.
The only way to replenish our Scholae ranks that I can think of is to have Armentarius start picking and training people from city guard and levies. None of those who were with rebels of course.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:NWEMxukr Sat 30 Apr 2022 13:46:18 No.5248981 Report

Quoted By: >>5249294

>>5248916
For a wife honestly, if we could strike the balance between skills, connections (noble family ecc....) and similar mentality we should be good. While the third point might sound less important, we will live with this choice and she will influence our future kids with us. Of course even if we go for a mainly political marriage, a relation can still be created with time. A marriage doesn't need to remain political, even if it started like one.
I believe that anyone that likes us or that at least doesn't hate us, will put in front of us a possible choice. Be a noble family or anyone from other factions
There is also outside realms, that could be interested. Tarrizo, Patera ecc ..
One thing we can be sure at least, is that no one will think we are a puppet or wants to be one.

>>5248955
I think we should talk next with Isaac and Mundus. Preferably we should first make a reform for the army, like we did for the navy, so Isaac doesn't think we make preferences in the military.
The military of the empire is no doubt watching that we are working, and that we just had a victory.
A strategical meeting would be good, it shows interest in warfare and it allows us to talk with them. Plus we can decide what to do against our external foes.

>>5248975
Before we take any possible option, we should ask the opinion of Armentarius. He is the one in command of the guards, and it would be better to give him men he wouldn't have too many problems to train and fight with.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UBr4B5/G Sat 30 Apr 2022 18:55:22 No.5249258 Report

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>>5248375
>”They shall die, betrayal cannot be tolerated” (Scholae, house Angelus troops.)
>”They will be pardoned and returned to their positions. Under strict watch and under to pretence that if they are to fail us once more, they shall die. (levies)
>”They shall be enslaved. Made to till the fields and work the mines.” (City guard, mercenaries)

>Push the reform through, after showing that you can defeat your foes, you doubt that they’d dare to oppose you.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Sat 30 Apr 2022 19:25:04 No.5249294 Report

Quoted By: >>5249339

>>5248971
>thinking a rebellion on the eastern fringes somehow doesn’t need supply or could advance easily into the interior without dealing with the fortresses
What are you smoking? You do know that if we married them that they would have a political incentive to keep us on the throne instead of our uncle, right? And would you trust the World-Shield after they married your nephew as our Uncle?

>Do you really expect the World-shield family to risk betraying the rebellion or risking their house being torched for us? And for what?
It would certainly give them an incentive not to betray us, wouldn’t it? And we all know that they had a decent chance fighting and beating of the rebellion because they have fortresses, and no, the rebels can’t simply move past them and leave themselves and their supply lines exposed to the rear, so your already giving them headaches and raising the alarm in the capital.

>A noblewoman wouldn't be ambitious at all though.
If you get a submissive or pious enough woman, yea. This isn’t exactly an egalitarian society that supports female agency here.

>>5248981
Maybe. I’m hesitant in reforming the army to be capable, purely to avoid giving Issac the tool to pull a Father on us, but your probably right in the we do need to upgrade/reform the army.

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Anonymous ID:yLY8qwW/ Sat 30 Apr 2022 20:02:25 No.5249339 Report

Quoted By: >>5249344

>>5249294
Imperial marriage is not a matter that can be resolved in just a couple of days. The preparations would take weeks if not months. Even if everything would go smoothly the marriage would happen after the rebellion.
The rebellion was likely planned for a long period of time. If the World-Shield family was in on it from the beginning our uncle would likely believe they were just pretenfing to be on our side.
If the World-Shield nobles were really on the rebellion side they could just pretend to agree to the marriage proposal while luring us out of the palace at the night of attack.
As for the incentive - who do you think is more appealing for the nobles as their emperor? A nobody who came out of nowhere and either ignored them or fucked with them or our uncle who spend decades making circles in the noble society of the capital and likely had a shitton of connections and favors all around? Both him and us are eligible for the imperial throne after all.
Now about the supply lines. This isn't a military campaign and the rebels are not in the hostile territory. Untill they attacked the capital they weren't even technically rebels but just imperial troops. They could requisition supplies from land like they usually do or have a supply train if they needed one without a fear of raids. All they need to do is to win a single battle. All or nothing for them.
If the World-Shield family was in on it they would simply let them through and if they weren't they had no people or resources to attack an enemy that greatly outnumbered them and showed up out of nowhere. Yes even if we were arranging a marriage at the time. There is no guarantee that we win after all. Risking their house being slaughtered for us would be a dangerous gamble. I would imagine they would simply ignored the troops' movement and claimed later that they had no reason to be hostile to our uncle's troops.
Just to be clear I am not agaisnt the idea of taking a noblewoman as our wife I just do not believe that attempting to do so before the rebelion would affect it in any significant way. The QM could prove me wrong of course.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Sat 30 Apr 2022 20:12:38 No.5249344 Report

Quoted By: >>5249356

>>5249339

How did the decision of what to do with the captives become a marriage plan, military reform, and a thorough investigation of the conspirators? I'm not against it, I'm just impressed as far as the conversation went.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:yLY8qwW/ Sat 30 Apr 2022 20:22:02 No.5249356 Report

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>>5249344
Less of an investigation and more of a conjecture on my part to be fair.
Ultimately it's up to the QM to decide what exactly happened and how it happened.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sat 30 Apr 2022 21:30:42 No.5249448 Report

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Kill:
City guard 3
Levies 2
Scholae 15
Mercenaries 2
house Angelus troops 15

Enslave:
City guard 5
Levies 3
Scholae
Mercenaries 12
house Angelus troops 1

Pardon:
City guard 8
Levies 13
Scholae 3
Mercenaries 2
house Angelus troops 2

Reform:

Push it through 16 (Probably more here, but its one-sided)

Alright. So, you will have the traitorous Scholae executed alongside house Angelus troops. You shall pardon the city guard and the levies, whilst enslaving traitor mercenaries. And you shall use the capital from the battle to push through the reform.

Writing.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sat 30 Apr 2022 23:09:35 No.5249608 Report

Quoted By: >>5249611

You look upon the men currently upon their knees, surrounding their lord. Your traitorous uncle, but you must praise them for their loyalty, even if it is given to the wrong liege.

Closing your eyes, you take a deep breath, the smell of blood and the cool winter morning air fills your lungs. You take a moment to steady yourself as you prepare to deliver your will. A necessity, some may call it cruelty, other would praise your decisiveness, others would say that you had not gone far enough. But lives will still be lost regardless.

Opening your eyes, you say. “Domestikos, gather the army outside of the city gates, have all of the traitors in binds, split between their formations.”

“I shall organize it immediately, your majesty.” Armentarius responds.

“Messenger.” You call out, before one of your men drops to his knee awaiting your command. “Have the senate assemble forthwith. I do not care about their excuses, drag them to the senate chamber if you have to. Tell them that they shall once more hear us speak.”

“This lowly servant obeys, your majesty.” The man calls back before rising to his feet and running off.

The sting upon your cheeks, wailing of the dying and suffering, the depressed listless figures being escorted to their doom, unsure eyes, staring at you from the gaps of their windows, disappearing behind their imagined cover as you gaze upon them.

What a depressing day. Is this what my father had to deal with ? Slaying of one’s own kin, deaths of thousands, irreplaceable shields of the empire, meant to fight against the foreign hordes. All lost because of a lust for power. You gaze upon your uncles corpse, seemingly looking at peace, despite the horrific wounds, finally having left the worries of life behind. Is that why you did it uncle ? Or did you have a greater purpose ? Was it patriotism ? perhaps thoughts that a young man such as I am unfitting to rule ? When we first met, did you not promise to help me ? I could have listened to your words, had you only spoken them. Unsurprisingly, the body before you doesn’t respond to your thoughts.

The only thing that greets your melancholy is the sound of crows, birds of death attracted by the scent and sound of battle. Creatures seen as sign of war, pestilence and famine. Disturbingly capable of knowing where death shall visit, so that they could feast.

Turning around, you march towards the senate building, mud, blood and gore still staining your hastily thrown together armour. Your arms scream as you walk as they had begun to bruise. You will have to request the royal physician to look you over to search for any broken bones.
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NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sat 30 Apr 2022 23:10:36 No.5249611 Report

Quoted By: >>5249612

>>5249608

This time, the senate is silent as you emerge upon the second floor. Still clad in your battle stained armour, your loyal men even more bloody stand guard. Everyone appears to have returned from war, and you do notice a general feeling of unease and nervousness. Unlike before, no one dares to look upon where you stand, no one dares to raise questions. Some of the senators look roughed up, beaten even, men that must’ve tried to flee. Perhaps out of fear, guilt, or merely stubbornness. It matters not, all that is important is that these gathered men, second only to the emperor in terms of influence, now sit like chastised children, awaiting for their parent to deliver his verdict.

“Hear our words.” You do not even bother to shout, the acoustics of the mute chamber carrying it far enough.

“We hear !” As one, anxious voices respond.

“We, in our wisdom, have decided that the Empire needs reformation. As such we deem it necessary to introduce a new law. Nómos tis exétasis (Law of examination). Every current governor of a théma (placement, district) will have to take this exam, in three months’ time, to retain their positions as governors.” Not a peep of protest opposes you.

“Of course, special exemptions shall be made for those governors whose positions are crucial for the maintenance of stability of the empire.” A few heads perk up at that statement. It seems that the senators are slowly beginning to realize that you, in fact, had not sent for them so you could kill them all out of paranoia or a misguided sense of revenge.

“These exams will become essential, any man must pass them correctly answering at least three fourths of the questions, in order to become a part of the administration. These exams shall be open to all citizens of the empire.” At that, everyone stares at you, yet none rise in protest.

“Alongside these reforms, we announce that after an annual investigation, governors are eligible to a proportional increase in their salary based on well their théma (placement, district) does. Remember, those of clear consciousness and clean hearts, those who work diligently for the empire, shall be rewarded by it as its loyal sons.” As few exchanged glances are shared between the senators, a few whispers, but once again, no one speaks.

“Finally, we have one last decree.” At that, everyone tenses. “From henceforth, the presentation of gifts upon one’s appointment to a governor’s position is no longer acceptable. If such good intentions for the empire’s improval are had, then we suggest donating them to the poor, or building more structures across the empire.” Now, a low murmur takes hold, intense discussions and analyses of your words.

“Hear our words.” Again, you state in a normal tone.

“We hear !” responds the senate.

You move away from the ledge, you had not even bothered to sit upon the throne here, not wanting to stain its expensive cushions.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sat 30 Apr 2022 23:11:37 No.5249612 Report

Quoted By: >>5249616

>>5249611

The echo of your footsteps is your only companion as you march out of the senate building, your bodyguards falling in formation besides you upon the streets as you make your way to the last destination of today.
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Thousands are before you. Gazes of fear, anger, loyalty, envy, indifference. Every single man has a different thought as they look upon their emperor, you cannot help but swallow heavily standing alone upon a raised scaffold, quickly set up for you to deliver your commands.

“Hear our words !” You scream, men wielding the imperial banners set at intervals repeating your shout, allowing everyone to hear your commands, your judgement.

“We hear !” With delays, formations respond.

“We decree, that the traitorous members of Scholae Tagmata (School regiment/battalion) are to be executed for their betrayal. They shall be executed twice. Once, for betraying their oaths to serve and protect their emperor with their lives. Twice, for rising in rebellion, shedding the blood of innocents and loyal sons and daughters of the empire.” You watch as scuffles break out in the formations, men panicking, fearing their ensuing deaths, but your men beat them down. “They are to be drawn and quartered and then hanged.” The vicious punishment announced sees them not beg for mercy, not decry you as tyrant, they simply fight, kicking, screaming, resisting with all their might, but they are dragged to their fates anyways.

“Those who swore loyalty to house Angelus.” You call for the smallest grouping of men. “They had upheld their oaths to their master, but that does not excuse revolt. They shall too be executed, each and every put to the sword. Their heads shall be cut off, delivering a quick death.” Unlike the Scholae (School), these men simply accept their fates, rising to their feet they march with nary a complaint about their destinies.

“The mercenaries, contracted to defend the empire, having betrayed their oaths shall repay for the harm they had caused. For you had fought for gold, gold you shall make. The mercenaries are to be enslaved and put to work, tilling the fields and working in the mines, or any other purpose requiring their labour.” Shouts in foreign languages quickly down out the surroundings. You cannot make out what is said, but you are certain that they are cursing you, begging for mercy and forgiveness, perhaps some are stating that they are willing to pay for their freedom. No matter, their pleas shall fall on deaf ears.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sat 30 Apr 2022 23:12:38 No.5249616 Report

Quoted By: >>5249619

>>5249612

“The levies of Orospulón (east mountain) and the city guard.” The men begin to beg for mercy, their voices the loudest and largest of the gathered groups, make it hard for you to speak. You wince as a gauntleted fist smacks silent one of the men, sending a clear message to those around him. Once order is restored, you continue. “All of you were ordered to march, but I know that you had no choice, those were decisions made by men you considered your betters, men you were told to obey all your lives.” You can sympathize with them and their feelings, as you yourself would most like had no clue on what was going on were you still in your village. “As such, we decree, that you all shall be pardoned.” Exclamations of thanks and praises quickly rise up once more, but the threats from your guards silence them. “But know this. The Shepherd says to give mercy, but he does not say to give endless forgiveness. Should you break our trust once more, death shall be your only end.”

With a final warning given, you begin walking down the scaffold. The Angelus household guards already having their head severed by your men. The treacherous tagmata (regiment/battalion) trying to reason with their former brethren, only to be ignored.

And the mercenaries being stripped out of their clothes, so that marks could be placed upon their bodies, showing that now they had become kinití periousía (moveable property).

Despite all of this, the sounds of praises of your generous heart and mercy are louder than any other, no doubt heard in the city itself. Speaking of the city, you wonder how the people will wander the streets after such a bloody battle. Will they go about like nothing happened, or will they treat you with fear ?

Still, what a dreary day.
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A week had passed since that bloody day. The senate had remained silent about your reforms, seemingly accepting them, at the very least they do not try to oppose them openly, but you have no doubt that they have some tricks up their sleeves. But for now, you have a more immediate problem.

The kowtowing man before you, he had bashed his head onto the floor with such vigour that it is now stained red.

Volusian Angelus, your cousin, fifteen years your senior. The betrayal of your family could not be ignored so you had them gathered. Luckily, for once your father’s paranoia came in use. Since he mistrusted his family, he had not granted them many positions of power, especially not many that would put them too far away from his immediate reach, as such, gathering them all up was trivial task that Armentarius had carried out without much effort.

“Please, your majesty. My father had done wrong, but we are innocent, and if we are to die, please, I beg your heart to find mercy for the young, the children who know not of the world.” He continues to beg.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sat 30 Apr 2022 23:14:14 No.5249619 Report

Quoted By: >>5249632 >>5249642 >>5249655 >>5249662 >>5249682 >>5249751 >>5249998 >>5250095 >>5250130 >>5250161 >>5250469 >>5250470 >>5250633

>>5249616

Angelus’ property is not worth as much as you had hoped for it to be, just a measly 14 million silver basilikas.

Measly ? How for have I come to think of 14 millions as measly. You cannot help but think.

Apparently, your house had always been known as a house of warriors, most of the money earned was spent on exceptional household guard, elite able to rival the Scholae (School). Now all put to the sword at your command.

As this was a family meeting, you had dismissed all but the most trusted of guards. Though your heart tells you to spare them, as you had the city guard for example. Your mind is telling you to simply have them all killed, luckily, at that time the heart won against the mind, but now ?

Now, you must determine the fate of your family, of your house.

What shall you do with them ?

>They shall ALL die. You cannot allow for such a threat to exist.

>They shall die, but you will spare the children, whom you will allow to stay within the empire and you shall (allow them to keep/seize their) property.

>They shall die, but you will spare the children, whom you will exile from the empire.

>They shall live, but they shall be exiled, let them make their fortunes elsewhere.

>Family is family. What is a small minor dispute to ruin your relationship with them ? Allow them to remain and to hold onto their fortune. They shall serve you loyally yet.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Sat 30 Apr 2022 23:25:01 No.5249632 Report

Quoted By: >>5250470 >>5250558

>>5249619

>they will be exiled, With a third of the value of their property they will be placed in the care of loyal servants of the house. They will receive portions of the family fortune until they grow up to be adults, where the rest of their treasure will be given away.

Let everyone know that the Emperor does not want the death of innocents, nor senseless cruelty.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:yLY8qwW/ Sat 30 Apr 2022 23:34:00 No.5249642 Report

Quoted By: >>5249662

>>5249619
>They shall live, but they shall be exiled, let them make their fortunes elsewhere.
Let's not become a kinslayer. Family is family.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:QiffSmp9 Sat 30 Apr 2022 23:41:46 No.5249655 Report

Quoted By: >>5249662 >>5249668 >>5249682 >>5249751 >>5250314 >>5250377 >>5250470

>>5249619
I dont want to exile them because they could get puppeted by foreigners for their claims or collect support and return as a thorn on our heirs side if not ours. Selling claims is a threat as well if they get desperate but so much kinslaying is bad for our image.
>Blind and Cloister the Adults, send them to one of the Islands to live out their lives in solitude and with the Shepard
>Spare the Children but seize the properties, we can use the money to rebuild the forces we just lost and the children can be educated by our servants.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:yLY8qwW/ Sat 30 Apr 2022 23:44:20 No.5249662 Report

Quoted By:

>>5249619
Switching from >>5249642
to >>5249655

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:QiffSmp9 Sat 30 Apr 2022 23:50:28 No.5249668 Report

Quoted By: >>5249670

>>5249655
On second thought I dont think the blinding is needed since they'll be isolated from their connections and powerbase in some bumfuck island living in a bumfuck monastery

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:yLY8qwW/ Sat 30 Apr 2022 23:53:11 No.5249670 Report

Quoted By: >>5249672

>>5249668
Come on now blinding and castration is Byzantine Emperors' calling card. Once they are blind they can't be used as puppets by anyone.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:QiffSmp9 Sat 30 Apr 2022 23:54:32 No.5249672 Report

Quoted By:

>>5249670
You make a convincing argument..

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UBr4B5/G Sun 01 May 2022 00:04:04 No.5249682 Report

Quoted By:

>>5249619
Supporting >>5249655

The perfect byzantine solution.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:WWRiS1A5 Sun 01 May 2022 00:43:06 No.5249751 Report

Quoted By: >>5249818

>>5249619
>most of the money earned was spent on exceptional household guard, elite able to rival the Scholae (School). Now all put to the sword at your command.
I fucking knew we should have kept them.

>>5249655
Support.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:QiffSmp9 Sun 01 May 2022 01:13:42 No.5249818 Report

Quoted By: >>5250099

>>5249751
On the bright side I'm assuming we salvaged all the usable armor and arms we could have out of the dead traitors and enslaved Mercs. So it should save up some money on replacing them.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Mk8wxxdk Sun 01 May 2022 02:53:43 No.5249998 Report

Quoted By:

>>5249619
>>Family is family. What is a small minor dispute to ruin your relationship with them ? Allow them to remain and to hold onto their fortune. They shall serve you loyally yet.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oYYfjxc6 Sun 01 May 2022 03:52:07 No.5250095 Report

Quoted By: >>5250126 >>5250174

>>5249619
>>Family is family. What is a small minor dispute to ruin your relationship with them ? Allow them to remain and to hold onto their fortune. They shall serve you loyally yet.

It was stupid to kill off the household troops, we are head of the house

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oYYfjxc6 Sun 01 May 2022 03:53:34 No.5250099 Report

Quoted By:

>>5249818
Don't mean shit when you don't have able bodied trained men to equip

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UBr4B5/G Sun 01 May 2022 04:10:54 No.5250126 Report

Quoted By: >>5250140 >>5250174

>>5250095
I think we already did. The people we are meeting are our family, the trusted guards referenced are our own, not the bodyguards of our family if I understand things correctly.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:B8WkQ91q Sun 01 May 2022 04:17:32 No.5250130 Report

Quoted By:

>>5249619
>Cloister the Adults, send them to one of the Islands to live out their lives in solitude and with the Shepard
No blinding
>Spare the Children but seize the properties, we can use the money to rebuild the forces we just lost and the children can be educated by our servants.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oYYfjxc6 Sun 01 May 2022 04:26:59 No.5250140 Report

Quoted By:

>>5250126
Yes, we did. Autist emperor strikes again. Maybe we can hire some pirates to fill out the scholae?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Sun 01 May 2022 04:42:59 No.5250161 Report

Quoted By:

>>5249619
>Family is family, a minor dispute should not ruin your relationship with them. Allow them to remain but seize their property and move them to the palace. They shall serve you loyally yet.
I want to spare them but I don't want to leave them in their estates. Keep your friends close but your (potential) enemies closer and all that.
If this vote doesn't win

>Blind the adults, spare the children
or
>Cloister the adults, spare the children
Doing both is unnecessary imo.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Sun 01 May 2022 04:58:53 No.5250174 Report

Quoted By: >>5250235

>>5250095
Keep the household guard that rebelled against us? Unfortunately, an example must be made of those Noble Household Guards that turn against us, same with our palace guard. An unfortunate necessity.

>>5250126
No, the Angelus Guard were those elite trained troops retained by our Uncle and our family. A shame, but we shouldn’t induct rebels into our personal guard, and we couldn’t trust them to after siding with our Uncle over us, it could’ve led to our own personal Chushingura.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:WWRiS1A5 Sun 01 May 2022 05:43:25 No.5250235 Report

Quoted By: >>5250243

>>5250174
We had killed the only one they had any real loyalty to, our Uncle, so it's reasonable to think that they would have become loyal to us, the other head of the family instead. It was a stupid decision killing off valuable troops like that, but what's done is done, we should stop worrying about it. But I would really like to caution against hasty decision making like that again, it can and will fuck us over if we keep it up.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Sun 01 May 2022 05:54:56 No.5250243 Report

Quoted By: >>5250248

>>5250235
I’m not so certain that loyalty would flow that way after we just killed their master, they could’ve easily decided to avenge our Uncle had we kept them alive. Either way, it’s a moot point. We didn’t know they were so highly trained, and while it may have changed some calculus and votes, it may not have have, because technically we aren’t their patriarch, Uncle’s son is.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:S1Wf1zxT Sun 01 May 2022 06:00:53 No.5250248 Report

Quoted By: >>5250337

>>5250243
Any decision we make, half the people will think we were moronic to do and the other half think we would have been moronic not to do it. You can't win.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:W1pKpPF+ Sun 01 May 2022 07:07:35 No.5250314 Report

Quoted By: >>5250469

>>5249655
+1
Seems an excellent choice to me, educate these chucklefucks to realize their potential in our service, the grandest insult to our uncle.

Have we been hitting the Gymnasium? Our body is a temple to God, even the Shepherd was a warrior.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Sun 01 May 2022 07:32:21 No.5250337 Report

Quoted By: >>5250344

>>5250248
Then neither can you, or anyone really. Though I will say, this attack on the Capital probably would’ve been avoided had taken other course of action.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:yLY8qwW/ Sun 01 May 2022 07:37:49 No.5250341 Report

Quoted By: >>5250347 >>5250353 >>5250379

So what are the benefits of sparing the family?
If we get rid of them one way or another we get to seize their wealth and rid ourselves from a few potential future threats.
What do we get if we let them go?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:S1Wf1zxT Sun 01 May 2022 07:40:28 No.5250344 Report

Quoted By: >>5250353

>>5250337
"You" in this case being the collective you, so nobody can win. Quests like this crank the autism dial up to eleven, which makes it far worse and means people spent a lot of time biting each others dicks off.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:QiffSmp9 Sun 01 May 2022 07:44:19 No.5250347 Report

Quoted By:

>>5250341
We dont know.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Sun 01 May 2022 07:54:55 No.5250353 Report

Quoted By:

>>5250341
A mystery box. Either they serve us loyally, or ther decide to stab us in the back to avenge Uncle. You’ll never really know until the shoe drops.

>>5250344
Ain’t that the truth. Shit’s gonna get wild.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:cszapcnu Sun 01 May 2022 08:42:30 No.5250377 Report

Quoted By:

>>5249655
Supporting

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:S1Wf1zxT Sun 01 May 2022 08:48:04 No.5250379 Report

Quoted By: >>5250469

>>5250341
It could mean we have people who know (or are told) they live entirely at our discretion and may fall in line behind us now their main hope for alternative leadership is six feet under and we've shown that we're not a pushover, providing political and military support as a loyal house. It really depends on how many of them were behind the plot and their attitude as a house and personally towards us. I don't think this is realistic, but may as well play devil's advocate.

In other news, we really need to get out of the office and into the gym some more. We can be a scrawny nerd all we want, but being able to swing a sword and look a bit more imposing may go a long way for our prestige.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Xufnif3q Sun 01 May 2022 11:03:22 No.5250469 Report

Quoted By:

>>5250314
>Have we been hitting the Gymnasium?
Funnily enough Manuel was thinking about it before the palace massacre started.

>>5250379
We could do a spar or two with Armentarius, and learn to ride an horse. Maybe we can cut some space in our daily work, like an hour or similar. Take some fresh air, away from the the tall peaks of paperwork in our study.

>>5249619
>Cloister the Adults, send them to one of the Islands to live out their lives in solitude and with the Shepard
>Spare the Children but seize the properties, we can use the money to rebuild the forces we just lost and the children can be educated by our servants

This should be enough, i am not sure about blinding. They are both methods that will bring a lot of pain, demoralization and damage their body permanently. Try to make it quick if possible, avoid it becomes a long torture.
Kind of sorry for Volusian that did never know us to present himself, and the first and likely last talk between us is this.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Sun 01 May 2022 11:05:45 No.5250470 Report

Quoted By: >>5250990

>>5249619

Changing my vote from:
:>>5249632
For this:
>>5249655

If the patriarch feels that the king has become unfit, there will be no troops, nobility, merchants, or foreigners able to save us. After fighting so hard not to be a puppet...

QM Grandma and could you please give us a short section describing the opinion of the six factions on the changes we've made? In the navy, senate and administration.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oYYfjxc6 Sun 01 May 2022 13:27:07 No.5250558 Report

Quoted By: >>5250619

>>5249632
Ever the wellspring of brilliant ideas.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Sun 01 May 2022 14:54:43 No.5250619 Report

Quoted By: >>5250746

>>5250558

I said the church has a lot of power over us, what is the plan in the sentence?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:3SI9EaN8 Sun 01 May 2022 15:10:01 No.5250633 Report

Quoted By:

>>5249619
>They shall ALL die. You cannot allow for such a threat to exist.
The bloodline of the uncle will always be a cause for rebellion as long as it exists. Plus our little democratic emperror probably shouldn't be too kind to the traitor nobles. Do it now while their lives are forfeit

.We also need proscriptions against the persons and families of any noble who had any amount of involvement in the rebellion. Publish it out in the forum, the man who kills them gets a portion of their property (the rest going to the emperor).

Also this quest probably needs a new thread

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oYYfjxc6 Sun 01 May 2022 16:44:50 No.5250746 Report

Quoted By:

>>5250619
At least you were able to admit you had s bad idea this time, you're learning.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sun 01 May 2022 19:21:46 No.5250990 Report

Quoted By: >>5251045 >>5251640

Blind and Cloister Adults & allow the children to stay, property seized, raised by servants 7

Cloister Adults & allow the children to stay, property seized, raised by servants 2

Spare all 2

Spare all + seize property 1
(Blind the adults, spare the children or Cloister the adults, spare the children) if fails

Kill all 1

Alright, so all adults of the Angelus family shall be blinded and exiled to one of the small monasteries upon the isles. The children will be allowed to stay upon the mainland to be given proper educations, but they shall lose all claims to their ancestral lands, all of whom shall be seized by you.

Writing.

>>5250470

>QM Grandma

The fuck ? I do not recall having grandkids, even more so being a woman.

But in all seriousness.

>could you please give us a short section describing the opinion of the six factions on the changes we've made? In the navy, senate and administration.

As far you are aware (read, I cannot give you exact precise numbers, opinions, or details. This is what your ch sees.)

>The army.

Neutral so far. Though none of the themata nor tagmata armies warned you of your uncles approach.

>The navy.

Still in utter shambles, slowly recovering. Most of the members of the navy are new recruits hired at a premium or pardoned by you. As such, the rank-and-file as well as the lower offership core (Individual ship captains) look upon you favourably so far, at least as long as the check clears.

>The administration.

Unhappy, most likely. Your reforms are yet to truly impact them, but they can see the winds of change.

>The senate.

Cowed, for the moment. Annoyed by your actions, but not outraged by them. As such, they may not support you, but they do not outright oppose you.

>The eunuchs.

As far as you are aware, loyal beyond doubt. You purged elements that were directly against you and placed your own loyalists. Or at the very least, the most pious as recommended by the church.

>The church.

Happy by your devotion, especially when contrasted by your father's actions. As long as acts of piety are shown and are common, they will be a stalwart ally.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Sun 01 May 2022 20:02:54 No.5251045 Report

Quoted By: >>5251072

>>5250990

I wrote "sir" but the auto corrector turned it into grandma because of the full sentence, when I realized I couldn't erase it anymore.

To recap:

>Two guaranteed allies, both of which are low maintenance.

>A possible ally who is currently weak.

>Three possible enemies that at the moment have great influence and power.

It's not a comfortable position by far, but we officially have a power base. If we had a section dedicated to a possible marriage before we go back to governing, it could stabilize the situation even more.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Sun 01 May 2022 20:28:05 No.5251072 Report

Quoted By:

>>5251045

>Speaking of marriage, what do you think of a religious woman? Noble of course.

As long as the family has relevance, influence and wealth, we could marry someone who wouldn't give our lifestyle any trouble. A true traditional woman, Which would have as its only requirement would be children; which our dynasty surely needs. Seems like the best choice to me.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sun 01 May 2022 21:33:31 No.5251141 Report

Quoted By: >>5251143

You watch the man impassibly. Taping your fingers upon the rests of your throne. Their rhythmic beat the only noise within the chamber. It seems that you had to do so many barbarous acts in scant few months of your reign. And now you shall order to carry out another one. Though this time you shall spare their lives, offering a modicum of mercy.

“Walk with us.” You say rising from your throne.

The man finally looks up to you, his bloodied forehead dripping sanguine red upon his face. A scholars’ face, no particular hardships are visible on it, no reddening due to excessive cold, no wrinkles brought forth by the Sun’s shine.

Your bodyguards fall behind you. Ever since that day you had not went anywhere without at least half a dozen of your Scholae (School) with you. Ironically, the sound of their armour both brings you anxiety and calm. The falling mace, about to smash about your head, and the heroic man whom hurled himself upon your would-be killer. He died that day; you’ve come to learn. He, alongside many others the day after the executions, announcements of betrayal and their subsequent defeat, were incinerated upon great pyres. Their souls released from their mortal coils, ensuring that they no longer remain lingering upon the lands of the living. It was a solemn procession, not as great as your father’s funeral, but unlike previously, you heard a few sobs and cries upon the streets, no doubt the families of those slain that day.

Your musings come to a close as you reach one of the balconies within the palace. The chilly winter morning wind bites your face and even stings your eyes. But you do not look away, you cannot look away from the beauty before you. The rising Sun, reflected upon the great waters, merchant shipping already busying itself with its long voyages. The people, distant and barely distinguishable, already moving on about their daily lives, the bloodshed of yesteryear forgotten, even if it had only been a week. The church bells ringing, calling people for prayer, hymns being sung praising God and the Shepherd.

“Tell us, Volusian. What do you see ?” You ask solemnly.

The man stays silent, taking in the sights before him. Slowly, unsurely, he begins to speak. “Civilization. The greatest city upon the face of the world, its centre. History stretching back thousands of years of glory and thousands of years of disgrace.”

You smile at that statement. A statement you would have agreed with months ago. “Do you know what we see ? We see, not the buildings, not the lands, not even the history. Yes, all are important, but at the end of the day. They are just that, buildings, land, history. Buildings will collapse if they are not maintained. The land will become untamed and useless unless tended to. History will be forgotten if there will be no one to share it.”

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sun 01 May 2022 21:34:33 No.5251143 Report

Quoted By: >>5251146

>>5251141

Taking a moment to draw a deep breath, you continue. “All of that is done by the people. Our people. The people our uncle, your father, had endangered for his own pointless pursuit of power. So, I want for you to see it once. To see what many eyes shall never witness ever again. A last pleasant sight.”

You do not even look at the man, but you can hear him shift uncomfortably. He is the son of great house after all, your words are more than enough for him to know of your plans.

“The children shall be spared. They will stay within the palace, where they shall receive a proper education, befitting those of our family. I shall not condemn innocents for the sins of their elders. But you, you and all of those who could have opposed my uncle, you sat by and watched as he prepared to commit treason, and you did nothing. For such a crime, we sentence you to blinding.” You hear as the man once more falls to his knees.

“We take no pleasure in this. It shall be done as swiftly and painlessly as possible. Once your eyes that ignored betrayal are gone, you shall be exiled to a monastery upon one of the isles of our great empire. The lands once held by house Angelus shall also all be seized.”

You can hear silent sobs behind you. “Enjoy this final mercy that we offer. Let the last sight you see be a pleasant one. A mercy that I doubt our uncle would have offered us.”

Turning around, you begin to slowly walk away from the balcony, turning to your guards you give the final order. “Once our cousin had calmed himself, carry out the punishment.”

Two of your guards bow stating at the same time. “Your command be done, your majesty.”
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Although winter is not the greatest time for it, the emperor will’s is not something that can be easily stopped. The naval reform you had commanded for is in full swing.

“Although the facilities were neglected, the fact that they are within Myralos meant that at least some basic maintenance was carried out, your majesty.” Says the head of the workers of the drydock.

“How soon can you begin making ships within these and how many ?” You ask.

“Most likely we can begin production at the start of spring. Currently, the cold winter makes it difficult to transport good enough quality wood from deeper inland. As for how many, please forgive me your majesty, but at most I see us producing a galley a month.” Nervously the man responds.

“I heard from a Tarrizo merchant that can make galleys, multiple galleys, in mere days. I assume we lack the skilled craftsmen for so ?” Recalling your previous conversations, you continue the exchange.

“That is correct, your majesty. We lack not only the craftsmen, but also the techniques of Tarrizo shipmakers. As the workers build experience, we should be able to increase production to a galley a week per berth. With a total of ten berths, we could make ten ships, presuming we have the resources for so.”

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sun 01 May 2022 21:35:34 No.5251146 Report

Quoted By: >>5251148

>>5251143

“And when we fought the Akeoinens, how many ships did our fleet have ?” You ask the most concerning question upon your mind.

“If I recall correctly, your majesty. The fleet raised then number at two hundred galleys strong.”

“So, in twenty months’ time, of course presuming plentiful material, can you make us a fleet capable of defending our waters ?”

The man, despite the chill, wipes away sweat with a piece of cloth. “I will endeavour to ensure so, your majesty.”

“Then we shall entrust you with such a task. Report to us immediately about the difficulties of production, should any arise that you cannot deal with.”

“It will be my honour, your majesty.” The man deeply bows.

“Your majesty ! Your majesty !” One of your bodyguards rushes into the drydocks. “An urgent message from Strategos (General) Isaac !”
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(POV shift: You are Alypius Stauricius, a levy conscript guarding the borders of the Thephian Empire.)

Its freezing. You were born around the mountains, so cold was a constant, even the summers were relatively cool, if the words of various travellers were to be believed. But here, here it is worse. The fort upon whose walls you stand is placed upon one the major mountain passes into the heartlands. The fact that you are not even allowed to have a fire around you makes the situation that much worse.

Sure, firelight makes it hard to see in the dark, but it at the very least provides warmth. But you were not allowed to do so. “It is your duty.” They said “It shall allow you to keep better watch.” Your kentarch (centurion) had put you up here to freeze your ass when you caught him selling the already meagre firewood supply to some local merchants. The damned bastard, were already short on food, because some donkey behind his warm desk decided to classify our position as low priority. You think to yourself shivering.

The padded armour you are wearing does provide quite a bit of warmth, but it is old, fraying at the sides. The cap you wear is at the very least of good quality, although that is entirely because you brought it from home. The same with the spear you wield, it was your father’s, but it is still better than the half-rusted crap. Luckily, you managed to snatch one of the better shields.

That is, before most of the army marched away. Kyvernítis (governor) Photius had taken them away for reasons unknown to you. Leaving this fort at only tenth of the strength is should have had. Not that it would have mattered to you, other than the fact that you are now forced to pull double guard duty.

Suddenly, you snap to attention. You swear you saw something, there, around the rock formation. Some of the snow moved. You lean over the wooden fort wall. They uncomfortably groan and creak as you put weight on them. Damned things, were it not for the cold they might have rotten away already.

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sun 01 May 2022 21:36:53 No.5251148 Report

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>>5251146

Ignoring the momentary distraction, you grab your spear and shield, carefully watching the far away rocks. The cold wind howls, drying your eyes, you blink and rub them. You flinch, raising your shield and spear at an unexpected sound. A screech, only a moment later you realize. A falcon. Damn bird. Must be starving, just like us. You sigh.

Then, another noise, another screech, but.

Pain courses through you. Your eyes move downwards, only to find an arrow sticking out of your throat. Panic takes hold of you, and only now do you see, man below you, wearing white furs of wolves. You see his smile. You watch as he puts his hands together to mimic a falcon. As your eyes begin to close, the last thing you see are scores of men emerging from their hiding places.

You had been blind, so blind.
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With shaking hands, you are about to mobilize the tagmata (regiment/battalion), fearing a full-blown invasion as you read Strategos (General) Isaac’s report:

Lucenians had crossed the border. One of the main forts had been burned down to the ground, its garrison presumedly slaughtered to the last man. Villages in the surroundings had been sacked and burnt. The only silver lining is the fact that Issac thinks that it is merely a large raiding party. It is not campaigning season, and in order to sustain themselves, the Lucenians will have to either have massive supply trains, or small enough numbers that they can survive off the land and everything they loot. But he fears that if they are successful more Lucenians may choose to try their luck in coming weeks and months, these actions maybe the prelude to a full invasion, as such, he requests anything you can give him.

Can pick more than one.

>Dispatch some of your guards. Five hundred heavy cavalrymen should put these savages to route, if not slaughter them all. They should also arrive the fastest to assist in the defence of your lands.

>The only semi-professional force you have, are the city guard. Take a thousand and send them to Issac. They should hopefully plug the gaps in the defensive lines.

>Issue decrees of conscription. If there are men in the themes (districts) not underarms, they soon shall be.

>There are mercenaries still not under your employ, a quick solution to your problem, but an expensive one. They properties seized from house Angelus will be put to good use, if nothing else.

>You have nothing to offer. Tell Issac to do what he can with what he has.

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Anonymous ID:vSe1EZ2q Sun 01 May 2022 21:54:24 No.5251176 Report

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>>5251148
>Dispatch some of your guards. Five hundred heavy cavalrymen should put these savages to route, if not slaughter them all. They should also arrive the fastest to assist in the defence of your lands.
>Issue decrees of conscription. If there are men in the themes (districts) not underarms, they soon shall be.
Only the local people in that area.
It's their home after all.
The people to slow down and hold, the cav to be the hammer that breaks the raiders back.

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Sun 01 May 2022 21:56:19 No.5251179 Report

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>>5251148

>The only semi-professional force you have, are the city guard. Take a thousand and send them to Issac. They should hopefully plug the gaps in the defensive lines.

>Issue decrees of conscription. If there are men in the themes (districts) not underarms, they soon shall be.

Fortunately at the moment the capital is not threatened, and using our personal guard could be our last mistake. Mercenaries will empty our coffers that will be needed for the future, and it's time to start the long and gradual process of stopping depending on mercenaries and one day rebuilding a great army.

Besides, the city guard owes us a show of loyalty.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:1QU/TAfZ Sun 01 May 2022 21:56:56 No.5251180 Report

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>>5251148
>The only semi-professional force you have, are the city guard. Take a thousand and send them to Issac. They should hopefully plug the gaps in the defensive lines.
>There are mercenaries still not under your employ, a quick solution to your problem, but an expensive one. They properties seized from house Angelus will be put to good use, if nothing else.
Our personal guards have already suffered greatly during the rebellion. Let's not lose anymore of them for now.
Conscription would cripple our economy which is already not in the best of shapes.
We just acquired some funds so we can afford to spend some.
Choosing the 1k guards to send we should choose those who were on the rebellion side. Let's call that a redemption for their rebellion.

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Anonymous ID:QiffSmp9 Sun 01 May 2022 22:01:09 No.5251186 Report

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>>5251148
Does our Character have a rough number on how many L*cenians we are to expect?
>Dispatch some of your guards. Five hundred heavy cavalrymen should put these savages to route, if not slaughter them all. They should also arrive the fastest to assist in the defence of your lands.
>The only semi-professional force you have, are the city guard. Take a thousand and send them to Issac. They should hopefully plug the gaps in the defensive lines.
>Issue decrees of conscription. If there are men in the themes (districts) not underarms, they soon shall be.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:vSe1EZ2q Sun 01 May 2022 22:01:41 No.5251188 Report

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>>5251180
If we only do local limited conscription it would not hurt the economy, it will actually help.
It will slow down the raiding and the raiding will REALLY hurt the economy.

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sun 01 May 2022 22:05:29 No.5251194 Report

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>>5251186

>Does our Character have a rough number on how many L*cenians we are to expect?

Issac has yet to get accurate numbers, or really any numbers. It could range from a few hundred to a few thousand, spread across a large area.

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Sun 01 May 2022 22:06:49 No.5251195 Report

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>>5251180

I don't think forcing an area of the empire to defend itself is going to create a general economic crisis, having a little money saved for an emergency would be nice; after all you never know when the real invasion will start and if we don't have the money for it it could be the end of us.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:QiffSmp9 Sun 01 May 2022 22:07:57 No.5251198 Report

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>>5251186
Adjusting to limit the Proscription to the areas closest to the raids. They'll fight like cornered animals if they have to. The Guard and Elites should instill further spine in them. QM mentioned this could be the probe to a proper invasion so I want our Cavalry to reach them as soon as possible.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:QiffSmp9 Sun 01 May 2022 22:08:58 No.5251203 Report

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>>5251198
Conscription*

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Anonymous ID:1QU/TAfZ Sun 01 May 2022 22:09:28 No.5251204 Report

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>>5251188
Here's what Isaac says about our military:
>To answer your questions. Our manpower is pitiful, years of endless wars have drained most able-bodied men. Those that still remain are jealously guarded by the nobility and rich merchants, and I do not fault them, wheat must be harvested, bread must be baked.
Our manpower pool is drained. There is a lack of ablebodied men to sow and harvest the crops as well as douing other menial tasks.
Conscription is going to only worsen this problem.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:vSe1EZ2q Sun 01 May 2022 22:10:11 No.5251205 Report

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>>5251198
>>5251203
No, no, this is not a spelling mistake.
It's a proscription against invaders.
And its also a provincial conscription.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oYYfjxc6 Sun 01 May 2022 22:10:20 No.5251206 Report

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>>5251148
>>The only semi-professional force you have, are the city guard. Take a thousand and send them to Issac. They should hopefully plug the gaps in the defensive lines.
>>There are mercenaries still not under your employ, a quick solution to your problem, but an expensive one. They properties seized from house Angelus will be put to good use, if nothing else.

Send the disposable, and support sending guards who fought against us.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:vSe1EZ2q Sun 01 May 2022 22:11:29 No.5251207 Report

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>>5251204
That's why it's limited only to the local area that's being raided. It's better to arm a farmer than to let him be slaughtered.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:1QU/TAfZ Sun 01 May 2022 22:13:45 No.5251210 Report

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>>5251207
It's better to send someone who knows how to swing a sword than to tear the peasant away from his land only for him to be slaughtered in the first clash with the enemy.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Mk8wxxdk Sun 01 May 2022 22:14:12 No.5251211 Report

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>>5251148
>>Dispatch some of your guards. Five hundred heavy cavalrymen should put these savages to route, if not slaughter them all. They should also arrive the fastest to assist in the defence of your lands.
>>The only semi-professional force you have, are the city guard. Take a thousand and send them to Issac. They should hopefully plug the gaps in the defensive lines.
>>Issue decrees of conscription. If there are men in the themes (districts) not underarms, they soon shall be.

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Sun 01 May 2022 22:14:43 No.5251214 Report

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>>5251204

The nobles and merchants in the area can choose between losing their useful bodies in looting or the only chance they have to keep their properties. They are greedy not imbeciles.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:QiffSmp9 Sun 01 May 2022 22:18:09 No.5251220 Report

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>>5251210
Bro we are reinforcing Isaac not sending our own independent force. They'll supplement what he already has. Using a weapon is not that hard as well if its something simple like a spear.

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Sun 01 May 2022 22:20:36 No.5251223 Report

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>>5251186
>>5251211

Our guard has just been through a battle, and they are the most expensive soldiers in the arsenal to replace.

Do you really want to risk their casualties over frontier terrain? They won't replenish themselves as easily as the rest.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Sun 01 May 2022 22:20:57 No.5251224 Report

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>>5251148
>Dispatch some of your guards. Five hundred heavy cavalrymen should put these savages to route, if not slaughter them all. They should also arrive the fastest to assist in the defence of your lands.

>The only semi-professional force you have, are the city guard. Take a thousand and send them to Issac. They should hopefully plug the gaps in the defensive lines.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:vSe1EZ2q Sun 01 May 2022 22:21:35 No.5251225 Report

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>>5251210
It's actually something that has actually happened in ukraine. Don't tell me that the wave of people defending their homes should have learned more about weapons. They manned certain areas to free up space for the pros and held on as militia's (buying time by slowing the enemy down). It's actually a pretty good idea and the peasants are going to fight for their homes anyway, so better arm them.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:QiffSmp9 Sun 01 May 2022 22:26:17 No.5251228 Report

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>>5251223
Do we know how many men are in our Personal Guard?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UBr4B5/G Sun 01 May 2022 22:26:46 No.5251229 Report

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>>5251148

>The only semi-professional force you have, are the city guard. Take a thousand and send them to Issac. They should hopefully plug the gaps in the defensive lines.

>Issue decrees of conscription. If there are men in the themes (districts) not underarms, they soon shall be.

>There are mercenaries still not under your employ, a quick solution to your problem, but an expensive one. They properties seized from house Angelus will be put to good use, if nothing else.

We don't have to spend all the funds we garnered from seizing our family property, just enough for a few hundred or a thousand men so we have some professionals to round out the conscripts and the city guard.

A strong response now early in our reign will hopefully show the Lucenians we are strong and will deter further raiding to some degree.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:1QU/TAfZ Sun 01 May 2022 22:27:46 No.5251233 Report

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>>5251225
I must have missed the news of raiders from Lucenia invading ukraine. I guess conscription would work somehow were you to put a peasant with a modern rifle against a medieval raider. Unfortunately our empire didn't discover rifles yet. So peasants who never held a weapon in their life are going to be slaugtered by raiders who without a doubt have both combat experience and weapon expertise.

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Sun 01 May 2022 22:41:56 No.5251249 Report

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>>5251228

Ask QM not me.

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Sun 01 May 2022 22:43:30 No.5251250 Report

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>>5251233

They'll have Border Guard support plus our support, they'll be fine.

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Anonymous ID:vSe1EZ2q Sun 01 May 2022 22:45:19 No.5251252 Report

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>>5251233
It's a similar equivilant, I didn't say anything about giving them guns and setting them up against Lucenian raiders.
It's similar in:
1) foreign invader
2) Similar level of technology
3) You're gonna have to fight or you may get enslaved (deported)/killed.
4) They are gonna pillage your home, because they are gonna have to live off the land.
5) It's better to have a weapon and actually have a chance at fighting than fighting without one.
6) Even if not all want to fight they at least can help the ones that want to fight.
7) When invaded conscription is actually a good idea because morale is higher on the defensive.
8) Should probably not have brought up ukraine since that modern war is quitte different than classic/medieval warfare, but many things in warfare still apply to the basics that Sun Tzu wrote all that time ago.

9) My apologies for bringing up that shit conflict, it's not a pleasant thing to be reminded off.

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Anonymous ID:gd7UYxWq Mon 02 May 2022 01:32:02 No.5251510 Report

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>>5251180
Support, especially the traitorous guard part. Though I hope we don't spend all the Angelus monies on mercenaries, it'd be a big waste for one border skirmish. We really need to figure a way to unfuck the economy, using funds we're lucky enough to scrounge up to fund various things is wasteful and can't last.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Xufnif3q Mon 02 May 2022 01:36:34 No.5251515 Report

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>>5251148

>The only semi-professional force you have, are the city guard. Take a thousand and send them to Issac. They should hopefully plug the gaps in the defensive lines.
>Issue decrees of conscription. If there are men in the themes (districts) not underarms, they soon shall be.
>There are mercenaries still not under your employ, a quick solution to your problem, but an expensive one. They properties seized from house Angelus will be put to good use, if nothing else.

A mixed force, it should be enough to aid Isaac in fighting the Lucenians and put them out of our lands. Hopefully the mercs don't need all of the new money. If nothing else, we are far safer now

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:3SI9EaN8 Mon 02 May 2022 01:38:21 No.5251519 Report

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>>5251148
>Issue decrees of conscription. If there are men in the themes (districts) not underarms, they soon shall be.
>There are mercenaries still not under your employ, a quick solution to your problem, but an expensive one. They properties seized from house Angelus will be put to good use, if nothing else.
The city guard are not necessarily used to fighting out in the boonies, so we'll get some country boys

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TK9oGj81 Mon 02 May 2022 02:01:24 No.5251568 Report

Quoted By: >>5251623 >>5251649 >>5251659 >>5251897

What are people's plans to fix the manpower issue? Are the cities full? Can we repopulate the countryside?
That would take years for a new generation to pop up.
Do we need to have a census?
Maybe have baby bonuses?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:QiffSmp9 Mon 02 May 2022 02:24:05 No.5251623 Report

Quoted By: >>5251649 >>5251659

>>5251568
We could turn it into a law and give tax cuts for citizens that are married and have children - maxing out at three. Since we don't have the money to throw around we should shelf it for later.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:5C3NZcKs Mon 02 May 2022 02:35:06 No.5251640 Report

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>>5250990
Nobles aren't even listed they hate us so much. Wow figured as much but still.

>>5251148
>The only semi-professional force you have, are the city guard. Take a thousand and send them to Issac. They should hopefully plug the gaps in the defensive lines.

>Issue decrees of conscription. If there are men in the themes (districts) not underarms, they soon shall be.
Limit conscriptions to places that are threatened with raids anyway. Might as well give them a fighting chance to defend their homes.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Mon 02 May 2022 02:40:20 No.5251649 Report

Quoted By: >>5251656 >>5251659 >>5251663 >>5251897

>>5251148
>The only semi-professional force you have, are the city guard. Take a thousand and send them to Issac. They should hopefully plug the gaps in the defensive lines.

>Issue decrees of conscription. If there are men in the themes (districts) not underarms, they soon shall be.
As other have said, conscript from affected district(s).

>>5251568
>>5251623
Honestly, the best policy for population increase is peace. If we maintain it, the population will drastically increase on its own.

On another note, should we go with the reinforcements we're sending? Going on campaign against the lucenians sounds like a decent enough idea, although it will probably be more like us acting as a figure head but fiercely taking notes from Isaac.

>>5251640
The senate are the nobles, see here >>5227707

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:QiffSmp9 Mon 02 May 2022 02:45:30 No.5251656 Report

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>>5251649
>On another note, should we go with the reinforcements we're sending?
I don't really trust leaving the capital as is right now.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:5C3NZcKs Mon 02 May 2022 02:46:59 No.5251659 Report

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>>5251568
>>5251623
There is a noble house we were given the option of screwing because it turned out they had tons of manpower they were holding back but were giving out garbage on purpose. So apparently there IS manpower but they just aren't willing to share them as they obligated to.

>>5251649
Ah my bad.

>>5251510
Currently stemming the corruption in the bureaucracy and guarding the shipping routes will help fix the economic problems. That isn't exactly a fast solution though is the problem. Nobody has come up with any fast solutions for an economic stimulus. Especially since apparently our empire specializes in decadent luxury goods to be profitable for its economy. So apparently our economy is so shitty it doesn't cover anything basic at all but the top tier luxuries. So the real question is how do we enrich our commoners and give them better paying jobs?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:S1Wf1zxT Mon 02 May 2022 02:51:29 No.5251663 Report

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>>5251649
While going on campaign would be great for our prestige and beneficial for the troops' morale, it's something we should do if/when we get some martial training, and the situation at home is still too new and fast-moving for us to take an extended absence right now.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:1uGFN88D Mon 02 May 2022 07:01:06 No.5251897 Report

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>>5251649
i would have go honestly, but we need to stabilize our situation first. If we accomplish that we can begin moving around the empire or even go in a military campaign. Though it would be best we are prepared before going on a military campaign, riding an horse and knowing how to use a weapon would be a essential thing we need to learn.

>>5251568
Peace and unlocking any blocked manpower by nobility. A time of peace will help us on many things (even on showing the benefits of our reforms), grow back navy and army, a more secure trade ecc ..

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:AdI3gKSm Mon 02 May 2022 07:51:58 No.5251940 Report

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>>5251180
Supporting

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Anonymous ID:8i7D2vZp Mon 02 May 2022 15:32:47 No.5252214 Report

Quoted By: >>5252229 >>5252236 >>5252833

>>5242581
this would have been our best choice. instead of sending half our men to die to defend an autistic kid, and crippling our already fragile navy and guards, we should have allowed the sperg emperor to die and allow a shift transition of power without too much bloodshed.
it would have allowed us start again, this time with a chad emperor, and hopefully, without making the same retarded choices that have brought us to where we're now.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:1QU/TAfZ Mon 02 May 2022 15:52:57 No.5252229 Report

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>>5252214
cuck mindset

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Malignant Advisor ID:mcp/jt/i Mon 02 May 2022 16:01:36 No.5252236 Report

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>>5252214

>Did you come to that conclusion alone, or did your wife's boyfriend help?

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Anonymous ID:8i7D2vZp Mon 02 May 2022 16:31:46 No.5252265 Report

Quoted By: >>5252270 >>5252307

>>5252229
>>5252236

>1QU/TAfZ
>Qiwr0pXL
thank god for id tags so i can tell what kind of people are the retards who been have voting for the wrong decisions so far. you want the autistic emperor in charge because it is the true reflection of what the standard historylet amerimutt believes in, despite how all of your choices so far have been proven to be ineffective and lacking in practicality. it would be in the empire's best interests to no longer be lead by autistic philosophical moralfaggotry and allow pragmatic men with a good sense for court politics to take over.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:1QU/TAfZ Mon 02 May 2022 16:33:52 No.5252270 Report

Quoted By: >>5252302

>>5252265
>amerimutt
ok retard

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:8i7D2vZp Mon 02 May 2022 17:00:17 No.5252302 Report

Quoted By: >>5252308 >>5252320

>>5251148
>[Write-in]
send in our personal guard. at least they'll be put to good use defending the empire instead of keeping the sperg emperor for longer that we need to.

>>5252270
>no argument at all
admit your faults

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Malignant Advisor ID:mcp/jt/i Mon 02 May 2022 17:02:07 No.5252307 Report

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>>5252265

The cold and calculating ruler who managed to fail to murder a brat who came from an isolated farm and was destroyed along with his family.

>If that's your definition of a great leader, I'd say the kid we have is the best choice.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:1QU/TAfZ Mon 02 May 2022 17:02:48 No.5252308 Report

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>>5252302
What faults retard? Do you have enough braincells to see how many posts in this thread are from my ID?

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Malignant Advisor ID:mcp/jt/i Mon 02 May 2022 17:09:29 No.5252320 Report

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>>5252302

By the way, if your goal is to kill us for nobility.

You'll have to send the city guard, the port mercenaries and the patriarch's elite, if you're going to confuse your ass with your mouth at least open your anus right.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Mon 02 May 2022 19:37:58 No.5252472 Report

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Cav 4

Conscription 10

City guard 11

Mercs 7

Send all tagmata 1

Total votes 15

Half votes need to pass.

So you will dispatch the city guard, specifically those units in need of "redemption". You shall also send messengers with decrees of conscription for the neighbouring themes. A small core of mercenaries will be hired, as means of keeping the city guard in line and for their experience.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oYYfjxc6 Mon 02 May 2022 21:25:12 No.5252558 Report

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>>5252229
>>5252236
>REEEEEEEEEEEEE

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Mon 02 May 2022 21:25:50 No.5252560 Report

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Imperial banners fly high as the formations march away. Those who were forced to fight for your uncle, or at least that is what you chose to believe, march now under your command. A thousand men, backed by a smaller force specially picked out by Armentarius for their tracking skills, a hundred strong march alongside them. Though the way those men looked, you are unsure if they were not the barbarous raiders themselves.

Yesterday, when you received the message, you had immediately dispatched messengers allowing Issac to gather men under his command, perhaps nothing more than a symbolic gesture, as no doubt he had already started to recruit everyone he can, but that at least gives him legal justification. The news that he is actually receiving proper soldiery on the other hand, should make him more than happy.

The night was spent organizing and equipping the men currently marching through the Eastern Gate. And now, in the morn, you stand upon a raised platform, the very same one that was used to judge these men, looking all of them over, wishing for success in battle. A large crowd had also gathered to say their farewells to sons, fathers, brothers, uncles, and cousins, perhaps even grandfathers.

“Your majesty, I would recommend for you to return to the palace. The army is already disappearing upon the horizon.” Speaks up Armentarius.

“We shall then. Prepare the escort, we desire to return to the palace.” You absentmindedly say. Wondering about the fate of the men marching to war, of your people currently under siege.
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The warmth of the palace washes over you as you sit once more in your office, away from the harshness of winter.

This time, once again, you are looking over documentation. Your eyes are aching, you had not slept properly for many nights now, rising early, sometimes earlier than the Sun. But you do not feel tired, well, not that tired, your desire to do as much work as possible pushing you onwards. And what work there is.

Your administrative reforms. You had implemented the exam that will come into effect in but two months, and the start of spring. But that is not enough to deal with decay seeped deep.

You found an issue in the administrative system itself, more precisely, its division.

The théma (placement, district) system had replaced the old dioíkēsis (administration, management, assize district, group of provinces). The théma are much smaller than the dioíkēsis were, an unfortunate reality as the empire contracted, smaller governing units became ever increasingly easier to manage. But it also means that whomever is in command, they quickly earn the trust of the people they govern over. Not a bad thing necessarily, it allows the local kyvernítis (governor) to quickly and easily address any and all issues without having to deal with imperial bureaucracy.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Mon 02 May 2022 21:26:51 No.5252562 Report

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>>5252560

But clear issues arise from this system. Whomever is in command of a théma has the right to raise armies as they see fit, to fight against any and all threats to the empire and their lands specifically. Thus, creating the themata armies. Poorly, or well, equipped infantrymen, raised to defend their homes, a supplement to the more professional, cavalry based, tagmata (regiment/battalion) armies, of whom your empire possesses merely two, but that is an issue to solve later.

The combination of both administrative and military command over a relatively small area allows to build a powerbase. Something that your father himself had done. He looked well after the théma he had been assigned to, he had even spread his influence to his neighbouring kyvernítis, getting them on his side for the rebellion to come. A rebellion that he had won.

Powers of the kyvernítis (governor) is exceptionally important. On one hand, their ability to react quickly prevents outside powers from dealing too much damage, or for disasters, both natural and sent by God to be lessened in their impact. On the other, it allows them to accumulate power, both financial, political, and military.

Your new system may mitigate this conundrum, but it also may exaggerate it. Ambitious men, skilled men, men promoted upon merit and not bloodline or connections. No doubt, on average, they shall be far more capable kyvernítis, but they may very well be far more unwieldy.

Then, there are the offices of censor and the tax collector. Officially appointed by you, and only you, they have, on more than one occasion, agitated kyvernítis and the people, but they are efficient, not counting the bribes and embezzlement, but that is an issue rampant everywhere.

Them being a separate institution decreases the power of a kyvernítis, making rebellions harder and unlikelier, but at the same time, this does decrease the effectiveness and efficiency in collecting taxes and raising manpower.

Can pick more than one.

>Divide the civil and the martial. One to look over the land, another to defend it.

>Increase (decrease) the size of the districts, the more (the fewer) governors, the easier they shall be to manage. Of course, this may result in governors being far too weak (strong).

>The offices of censor and the tax collector shall (remain separate) be integrated.

>(Write in)

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Mon 02 May 2022 21:28:38 No.5252565 Report

Quoted By: >>5252573

Short one today. Tired. Bigger update will hopefully come tomorrow, if I am not too busy with my studies. Got some ideas on how to write out the battle from various perspectives.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:vSe1EZ2q Mon 02 May 2022 21:31:56 No.5252568 Report

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>>5252562
>Divide the civil and the martial. One to look over the land, another to defend it.
>The offices of censor and the tax collector shall remain separate.
Recarving the borders may be a bit too radical.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:1QU/TAfZ Mon 02 May 2022 21:37:31 No.5252572 Report

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>>5252562
>Divide the civil and the martial. One to look over the land, another to defend it.
>The offices of censor and the tax collector shall remain separate.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:vSe1EZ2q Mon 02 May 2022 21:37:32 No.5252573 Report

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>>5252565
Take your time.
You're also running two quests so it's to be expected.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oYYfjxc6 Mon 02 May 2022 21:38:19 No.5252574 Report

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>>5252562
>>Divide the civil and the martial. One to look over the land, another to defend it.

>>The offices of censor and the tax collector shall (remain separate

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:mcp/jt/i Mon 02 May 2022 21:57:24 No.5252595 Report

Quoted By: >>5252630 >>5252990 >>5253250

>>5252562

>Divide the civil and the martial. One to look over the land, another to defend it.
>Increase the size of the districts, the more governors, the easier they shall be to manage. Of course, this may result in governors being far too weak.
>The offices of censor and the tax collector shall be integrated.

In the matter of administration we have a modern example that can be the solution, in China there is a philosophy that factions would compete for power internally causing an entire country to improve.One faction would defend rich regions and another would distribute wealth to the poorest regions; the corruption would not be so great because the factions themselves would police themselves.

In short, the governors would have to organize themselves into factions to keep their positions, and as these factions would have different objectives according to the territory they have. An individual could not represent a risk to the empire, and the possible factions would have the power. necessary while they would be held in check by other factions with different goals.

As for the militias, they would function more like the American militias of the revolution, they would naturally organize themselves for self-preservation by the region where they are, which means that a usurper would have to convince a number huge number of groups with different desires and goals. Which would make a rebilion easy to discover for the enormous work it would take to convince a significant number of them to join a possible rebellion.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oYYfjxc6 Mon 02 May 2022 22:20:36 No.5252630 Report

Quoted By: >>5252654

>>5252595
>As for the militias, they would function more like the American militias of the revolution, they would naturally organize themselves for self-preservation by the region where they are, which means that a usurper would have to convince a number huge number of groups with different desires and goals. Which would make a rebilion easy to discover for the enormous work it would take to convince a significant number of them to join a possible rebellion.

Sounds retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Mk8wxxdk Mon 02 May 2022 22:23:02 No.5252637 Report

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>>5252562
>Divide the civil and the martial. One to look over the land, another to defend it.
>Decrease the size of the districts
>The offices of censor and the tax collector shall remain separate

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Malignant Advisor ID:mcp/jt/i Mon 02 May 2022 22:35:38 No.5252654 Report

Quoted By: >>5252683

>>5252630

Does the fact that a usurper would have to assemble multiple militias to be a threat seem retarded?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Xufnif3q Mon 02 May 2022 22:46:55 No.5252682 Report

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>>5252562
>Divide the civil and the martial. One to look over the land, another to defend it.
>The offices of censor and the tax collector shall remain separate.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:vSe1EZ2q Mon 02 May 2022 22:47:33 No.5252683 Report

Quoted By: >>5252713

>>5252654
Yep.
You can't conquer an empire on militias alone.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:mcp/jt/i Mon 02 May 2022 23:10:58 No.5252713 Report

Quoted By: >>5252728

>>5252683

Exactly, that's why the real army is so important.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oYYfjxc6 Mon 02 May 2022 23:24:47 No.5252728 Report

Quoted By: >>5252733

>>5252713
Sounds like a waste of manpower, a logistical strain, and putting coordination
at risk due to unknown factors and random quality men and leadership.

Ever read up on the war of 1812? There's a reason that system got dropped.

Nevermind empowering fucking peasants, it's like you want the guillotine to be invented or something.

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Malignant Advisor ID:mcp/jt/i Mon 02 May 2022 23:32:59 No.5252733 Report

Quoted By: >>5252809 >>5253250

>>5252728

Are you aware that we are talking about a militia system that can only be used defensively correct? He is not the main army, to be honest he resembles the system created by the first unofficial king of England to fight the vikings, using him as an expansion army is out of the question.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oYYfjxc6 Tue 03 May 2022 00:19:41 No.5252809 Report

Quoted By: >>5252837

>>5252733
I thought we were talking about a militia system like the early american one? Thats what you said.

Now you're talking about a fyrd, which is essentially levees. Nothing like what you described.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TK9oGj81 Tue 03 May 2022 00:39:25 No.5252829 Report

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>>5252562
>Divide the civil and the martial. One to look over the land, another to defend it.
>The offices of censor and the tax collector shall remain separate.

Why not go for the more modern professional army + territorials?
Territorials being part time soldiers equipped the same as full time?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:gd7UYxWq Tue 03 May 2022 00:41:30 No.5252833 Report

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>>5252214
>Switching characters would have fixed all the autism and definitely not made our uncle a schizo out of the blue

>>5252562
>Divide the civil and the martial. One to look over the land, another to defend it.
>The offices of censor and the tax collector shall remain separate.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:mcp/jt/i Tue 03 May 2022 00:44:15 No.5252837 Report

Quoted By: >>5253250

>>5252809

I mentioned the American militia because it was famous for getting ready for combat quickly, of course realistically or logistically the fyrd system is the closest. In short, a militia capable of quickly mounting resistance in a decentralized manner, but being led and organized by local nobles chosen by the government like the governors;

Can you understand now what I mean by the two examples?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:3SI9EaN8 Tue 03 May 2022 00:51:00 No.5252845 Report

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>>5252562
>Divide the civil and the martial. One to look over the land, another to defend it.
>The offices of censor and the tax collector shall remain separate

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:qSS9tiIH Tue 03 May 2022 02:44:13 No.5252958 Report

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Another neccessary change that is still going to bristle the Old Guard. We'll probably end up having to do another purge one of these days.
>Divide the civil and the martial. One to look over the land, another to defend it.
>The offices of censor and the tax collector shall remain separate

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:5C3NZcKs Tue 03 May 2022 03:21:01 No.5252990 Report

Quoted By: >>5253089 >>5253218 >>5253288

>>5252562
>Divide the civil and the martial. One to look over the land, another to defend it.
>The offices of censor and the tax collector shall (remain separate)

We need to consider random and anonymous means of reporting as well as investigations that report directly to the Throne. Make it possible for leniency if they rat out the others and bigger targets for that sweet redemption/salvation.

>>5252595
With what funds for a militia? Do you have any idea how fucking expensive it is to train and equip people it is? Militias only happened because firearms are cheap and easy to train in. You don't have to buy expensive armor and its easy to train men(even women and children) to use them. Its vastly easier to train shit loads of men and equip them.

To utilize militias we would have to completely overhaul our entire civilization model which as an empire isn't fucking possible. There is a reason why you only saw that model in city states and tribes. The cheapest/easiest troops we could possibly train are spearmen, slingers, and crossbowmen. You want good spearmen you will need polearms, shields, and good armor. Slingers need good lead shots and clear line of sight without obstacles. Crossbows are not easy to make, expensive, but punch through armor and easy to train.

Most importantly how are you going to afford all those militias? How about food? Upkeep? Training? Pay? Peasants in the middle ages had a lot of time off, yeah but they still needed to work during harvest and planting. So you cannot raise militia for half of the year. Barbarians and raiders do not have this problem.

Do you want professional troops? Oh boy, those guys are even MORE expensive to maintain and equip. There is a reason why professional armies in olden times were so damned small and why barbarian hordes kicked everyone's shit in. We have only two professional armies. Not even enough to cover our borders. We have governors with whatever forces they can muster of questionable quality and loyalty. The Church actually has quite a bit of mustering power thanks to their monks and holy orders growing their food and training their own forces. It's just we cannot deploy them without giving them an excuse(see fuck Pagan/Heathens). Church forces are nice in that they cover their own upkeep and don't demand hardly any pay but you have to be pious enough and throw them enough bones.

Raising militias is too damned expensive and hard it's why the governors are supposedly responsible.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:cszapcnu Tue 03 May 2022 04:01:35 No.5253029 Report

Quoted By: >>5253360

>>5252562
>Divide the civil and the martial. One to look over the land, another to defend it.

Just like a modern governmental system

Ultimate civilian control over the military, but the military will make all tactical decision

No Governor should ever match with his troops - and we may want to make a law expressly banning it…

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TK9oGj81 Tue 03 May 2022 05:41:55 No.5253089 Report

Quoted By: >>5253115

>>5252990
If it is so expensive, how did Rome have legions?
Not a dig btw

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:5C3NZcKs Tue 03 May 2022 06:24:15 No.5253115 Report

Quoted By: >>5253315

>>5253089
Rome was legendary for its pillaging, expansionism, slavery, and long ass standard mandatory enlistment time requirements. Since we are Byzantine we can no longer afford the strong military via exploitation and paying off our soldiers via taking conquered land and plunder like Rome. Rome's Legions were very expensive but they figured out the key was making everyone ELSE pay for them by conquering, subjugating, and enslaving them because their plebs were broke as fuck and the rich too corrupt.

There is a reason why the Byzantine military was a mess historically speaking but they did a very good job at converting the Slavic tribes to their cause. When they weren't busy getting their shit kicked in by the nomadic hordes and or heathen armies of Muslims. At least until they got betrayed by their fellow Christians and the Ottomans finally overran them.

If we want armies we need to make it so the plebs can actually afford it. As our economy has completely rotten away outside of luxury goods. We couldn't raise cheap militia or mass troops if we wanted to. Which is actually what fucked over Rome. In the Roman Republic the Plebs used to be able to afford to raising troops themselves since not all the land was owned by the rich and worked by slaves. So they afforded their own equipment and managed their own training. We sadly have that same problem. Our plebs cannot afford equipment or training. While we cannot trust the rich to not backstab us who can afford to raise armies. While dispatching holy forces requires giving them Casus belli(which we owe them anyway for saving our skin) but that is limited only to Heathen and Pagans if we don't want it to come back to bite us on the ass.

If we fix the economy we can afford to start raising local militias and fielding more armies again.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UBr4B5/G Tue 03 May 2022 06:27:33 No.5253118 Report

Quoted By: >>5253193

>>5252562
>Divide the civil and the martial. One to look over the land, another to defend it.
>The offices of censor and the tax collector shall remain separate

We should not change the size of the districts without going into the specifics of the geography and demographic makeup of these districts. We'd have to make sure they could still muster a cohesive unit of *insert appropriately sized unit to deal with the average raiding party here*, whether that be a company or battalion sized unit, I don't know. Basically they still need to be able to deal with most of their most common issue but cannot be so independent that they can essentially ignore interacting with the greater bureaucracy for help, if they are too dependent then efficiency is reduced and they are a liability, too independent and they can easily form rebellions. We need more info before we deal with this, so we should defer this until later.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:gd7UYxWq Tue 03 May 2022 08:01:55 No.5253193 Report

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>>5253118
What we really need to do is start making as many friends as possible, so we can send them out to the most important regions and start making them as productive as possible. Which will then help with creating a stable powerbase if all the powerful landholders in the empire are our buddies. However, autist emperor...

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:1uGFN88D Tue 03 May 2022 08:31:43 No.5253218 Report

Quoted By: >>5253250

>>5252990
Beside the imperial spies/assassins recreation, what do you think if we create a new figure that does random, anonymous and sudden investigating and reporting on our governors ?
Essentially a sort of special investigator, picked by us from loyal men.
He looks at reports of governors, hears what news arrives from their lands and sees if there are discrepancies. He will then move from governor to governor, with a few of our scholae and some servants. To avoid that governors prepare in time, he and this group will arrive disguised and unannounced in the settlement of a governor. Then the next day, they change into their official clothes and arrive at the governor's doorstep (say that they are the investigator, with other people around), where they will then enter thanks to our authorization.
If the governor reports well, nothing happens, no problems. If it's the opposite the special investigator will record exactly what has gone wrong and then give it to us. If the governor isn't allowed to enter, then there will be consequences.
After he is done with one governor, he will leave it, ensure to not be followed and disguise himself and his group again to hit another governor. The "visits" pattern of the special investigator should be random and anonymous, making it difficult to understand where he goes or who he will visit next.
Now this has a some problem. After the first time, the identity of the emperor's special investigator could be revealed. This will put pressure on him and anyone associated with him. So to avoid that or minimize it, we could make it an official secret that nobody but us knows who he is.
When the special investigator is out doing his job, he will wear some thick clothing with the imperial symbol depicted on it, in addition he will have a face mask covering him and some false hair attached to it. This would be the clothing he wears when he does the visit, while flanked by the scholae and imperial servants.
Instead his disguises to reach the governors, and the one of his group, can change.
When he is here in the capital nobody could guess who he is, since he would wear the same clothes of other imperial officials.
We will also be able to replace him whenever we want. For a check on the special investigator, we can look at what it said about his job and what he brings to us. The scholae and imperial servants will also tell us.
The effectiveness of this new figure is the combination of 4 things :
His work of checking governors reports in the capital, arriving with a sudden visit in a governor settlement thanks to disguises, unprepared governors and lastly the imperial authority he will use for the visit.
If governors start to adapt, the special investigator can change things around, and for example work together with our spymaster.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UXWZIJJt Tue 03 May 2022 08:36:49 No.5253222 Report

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>>5252562
>>Divide the civil and the martial. One to look over the land, another to defend it.
>The offices of censor and the tax collector shall (remain separate)

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Tue 03 May 2022 09:17:31 No.5253250 Report

Quoted By: >>5253283 >>5253298 >>5253319

>>5252562
>Divide the civil and the martial. One to look over the land, another to defend it.
>The offices of censor and the tax collector shall be integrated, by foreign appointees.

I’m going the other way, on towards full integration, as we clearly need the taxes and manpower. If need be, we can always create more districts to dilute the potential for rebellion.

>>5252595
Incentivizing the organizing of factions outside of our direct influence won’t make those factions police themselves, but instead create a self-polarizing, self-governing rivals to our own powerbase.

Second, you clearly know jack shit about American Minutemen. 2A (2nd Amendment) was created to specifically prevent and overthrow a tyrannical government from taking over the United States and to protect the individual’s Constitutional Rights, and the logistics and training of medieval weapons doesn’t constitute well with a home grown militia. Frankly, you’d have to be completely mad to commit to creating American Minutemen militias in medieval fantasy not!Byzantine Empire.

>>5252733
The English also got conquered by the Vikings, and the English have a bad habit of usurping the king and his powers in populous uprisings. It’s not a good system to imitate as a totalitarian autocrat. Robin Hood’s Longbowmen ain’t fun when you’re King John trying to get the locals to cough up the tax.

>>5252837
I agree that the Minutemen were great at mustering for combat in a pitch, but the last thing we need as a centralized totalitarian autocrat is a decentralized, locally-led military force able to muster in a pitch, it will give local governors way too much influence over local military affairs compared to the Emperor’s influence.

>>5253218
Foreigners will alway be loyal to the Emperor, if only because everyone else hates them and will want to see him dead if not for the Emperor’s favor.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:1uGFN88D Tue 03 May 2022 09:47:52 No.5253283 Report

Quoted By: >>5253323

>>5253250Beyond who can be more loyal or not, you suggest a foreigner for this possible new position ? I am not sure, it doesn't mean no though.
Why ? Well is a foreigner, you can more easily recognize the mannerisms of a foreigner than a local. Part of the idea of the special investigator is him not being recognizable, at least not easily if possible. We would need someone that can mask even his origins while he talks, if it's a foreigner (Of course if one knows our tongue and customs well, it should not be an issue).
This brings a problem, because people could associate a new man from a foreign place coming to our court, to the new position. Of course our interest is to not make it easy to realize who is the special investigator, so this problem isn't unsourmantable but it's there.
Perhaps a small group of foreigners instead of one, and we change between them who is the investigator. They would need to be learned men and know how our governors/empire work, and convert to our faith.

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Malignant Advisor ID:mcp/jt/i Tue 03 May 2022 09:56:27 No.5253288 Report

Quoted By: >>5254862

>>5252990

Militia only need shields and spears, which can be learned in three months and do not require large investments depending on the equipment in question.

The militias did not enter service until the region was attacked, why would we have to pay salaries and food for a formation that would only be necessary in specific situations?

It is the nobles responsible for each one of them will more or less act independently, in times of war they lived by the term militia delaying the enemy, and in times of peace these nobles acted as a primitive police keeping the security of the region, in fact this will be the only individual who will receive salary regularly.

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Malignant Advisor ID:mcp/jt/i Tue 03 May 2022 10:11:08 No.5253298 Report

Quoted By: >>5253323

>>5253250

If you're going to be that specific, that's fine, but I think the average invasion looks a lot like a tyrannical invasion.

First half the world was conquered by the Norse at the time, the fact that they were expelled and that the loot reduced and disappeared before the conquest says a lot about the effectiveness of the system.

As for the centralization issue, this is the point, no faction could use these decentralized forces to rebel, after all they cannot be used to attack, they would be focused on what matters to defend the local region and that they would do very well.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TK9oGj81 Tue 03 May 2022 10:30:57 No.5253315 Report

Quoted By: >>5254862

>>5253115
Interesting, thanks for the write up. so in summary we need to grow the middle class?
In rl a min wage did that I think? But wasn't pinned to inflation causing issues (massive generalization) could we do something similar, aka redistribute land and have min/max price for crops?

I think that if we create a middle class at the expense of the upper, many problems would go away.

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Malignant Advisor ID:mcp/jt/i Tue 03 May 2022 10:45:14 No.5253319 Report

Quoted By: >>5253323

>>5253250

About the factions, your comment doesn't make sense, I'll simplify out of necessity but try to follow me. If the government has ten coins to distribute to three factions, which implies that one of them will always receive more than the others.

Realizing this, one of the factions discovers that the one that get the extra currency is involved in corruption, she warns the king and she starts to receive the extra currency.

How come these factions won't create schemes to fuck other factions if they directly benefit from doing so?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Tue 03 May 2022 10:55:34 No.5253323 Report

Quoted By: >>5253367 >>5253392

>>5253283
I mean foreigners to deal with the loyalty problem. Even if tax collector and Census people were integrated, having them be foreigners does mitigate the potential of rebellion quite a lot.

>>5253298
We are a de-facto tyrant, and there is a reason why only the Emperor and nobles have a monopoly on force, and not the people.

The English getting cucked by the Normans sort of disproves their militia’s effectiveness, you’d be better off trying to instill a longbow culture to act as inexpensive ranged auxiliaries, with the potential for elite force of rangers forming.

You also misunderstood the centralization issue, by decentralizing our monopoly of force your essentially allowing the local militia to prioritize local issues over national issues, and that is a big issue if we’re playing as the Emperor instead of a local governor.

>>5253319
The problem isn’t the factionalism, the problem is the size. The bigger and more influential they are, the more they conflict with our powerbase as an institution. Why have three major factions when you could have thirty minor one? The bigger factions will be a direct threat to our power, the minor ones will be too busy infighting among themselves to truly threaten us on an institutional level. Noble infighting directly helps us, noble coalitions directly threaten our existence.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oYYfjxc6 Tue 03 May 2022 12:02:37 No.5253360 Report

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>>5253029
>Ultimate civilian control over the military

Absolutely fuck no

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Malignant Advisor ID:mcp/jt/i Tue 03 May 2022 12:12:38 No.5253367 Report

Quoted By: >>5253382 >>5253392

>>5253323

The Normans at the time were the best warriors in the Wes.You are correct that leaving military power in the hands of the serfs is a bad idea, but what I said is that the leaders of these militias would be nobles.

Their job would be to lead and train these militias, as well as ensuring security against minor threats. In other words, a more effective militia but under the command of our nobles, this would be an extrapolation but the nobles responsible for protection in the border regions could be promoted directly to officers in the main army because of the experience they already have.

Yes all Monarchs are tyrants but not all are cruel, as long as the Emperor is not a complete degenerate the people will keep their loyalty, the problem is always the nobles.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Tue 03 May 2022 12:40:36 No.5253382 Report

Quoted By: >>5253387

>>5253367
>what I said is that the leaders of these militias would be nobles.
…and how would that solve the problem of internal stability (i.e. not rebelling against us)? It just sounds like we’d have even less control of our military forces if a couple of the nobles decided to go on a bender pull an Uncle on us. Now I’m getting the image of Uncle Iroh deciding to betray Fire Lord Zuko out of personal ambition. Does this mean our little half-sister will somehow come out of the woodwork of a nunnery to advise us on cutthroat politics?

>this would be an extrapolation but the nobles responsible for protection in the border regions could be promoted directly to officers in the main army because of the experience they already have.
You mean something equivalent to a Margrave?

>as long as the Emperor is not a complete degenerate the people will keep their loyalty
Unless there’s a famine.

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Malignant Advisor ID:mcp/jt/i Tue 03 May 2022 12:49:37 No.5253387 Report

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>>5253382

The nobles that we choose will have these positions, remember the forces they would have access to would be small and decentralized, to form an army the number of militias in these would be too huge, what would inevitably show signs of betrayal before it explodes.

Yes, after all, they already have the precious experience to take on the role.

Well no kings can control the sky, can they? If a famine or a flood or a drought happens the only thing we can do is pray that the treasury is not empty.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:aLiFGWfs Tue 03 May 2022 12:58:47 No.5253392 Report

Quoted By: >>5253395

>>5253367
>>5253323

Honestly uncaring about the politcking on this part but I will somewhat defend the idea of militia; or that is to say the normalization of cheap weapons.

The normans became the best warriors of the West during the dark ages for the simple part they were mostly all warriors or milita grade, land owners had it because they or their ancestors were granted it for deeds in battle, raids and pillages just made them better at it and as they got better, could afford equipment. Still for the most part they were spears, axes, shields and bows they used, the better off got themselves swords. As a nord child meant to inherir land your father taught you to fight to defend it, like your regular european baron.

The English had a bow culture but it was not made law until the mid-high medieval ages preceeding the hundred years war; even then these were not war bows but what your local bowyer fashioned, good for a rabbit or a deer. Brigands are a problem but it the land is prosperous less so; what traininh peasants in weaponry gives them familiarity and lets them develop the physique for it so transitioning to the real deal will be easier and take less time.

Implementation:

We even have a pretty cookie way of implementing it, should we want to lean on patriarch man to do it; our Jesus is not all love and happiness, we have warrior Jesus, the church could kickstart a sport where after mass, the peasantry practices with the quarterstaff to follow the Sheperds example and defend the land from the pagans.
That is to say, we probably want to get stronk before we implement this, can't be a hypocrite .
Also probably an idea for when we are less fucked

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Malignant Advisor ID:mcp/jt/i Tue 03 May 2022 13:09:44 No.5253395 Report

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>>5253392

I thank you for understanding my point of view but I disagree with the impact of these changes. After all the Empire is at a time when human life is precious so a government program that does not take away the authority of the nobles but increases the protection of their taxpayers would not be so rejected.

The nobles who have land on the borders and in the economic centers would probably support this reform, you yourself said that we have a theological justification for implementing it, in short this change would have more support than you can imagine.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:0udjoriA Tue 03 May 2022 13:12:08 No.5253396 Report

Quoted By: >>5253403 >>5253418

>>5253395
No noble would ever suppot anything that would lessen their power

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Anonymous ID:aLiFGWfs Tue 03 May 2022 13:21:51 No.5253403 Report

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>>5253396
You can hardly lessen the power of a noble by training a peasant to wield a quarterstaff. Nobles would and should still have the only access to the stuff the military has access to, they would even get less bitching from their subjects being killed by bows or something.
I am against doing this immediately for something thar counters my own argument, if the land is poor the peasants might actually get the idea of resistance, in better times they are just praising God with some sport.

Back to the Normans, the invasion of England came at a time when the North was warmer than usual and their population boomed, they didn't have enough land to grant as reward so they got more.

The English implemented archery as a sport in another time of plenty, when their lands were safe, the scots were not bitting and wool trade was filling their coffers.

I'd delay this for when the taxpayer visit would be taken as "the man of the emperor comes to get thr grain that will feed cousin Casius in ultramar :D"
Instead of "here comes the emperors leech to ensure we starve this winter >:["

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Malignant Advisor ID:mcp/jt/i Tue 03 May 2022 13:38:20 No.5253418 Report

Quoted By: >>5253523 >>5253534

>>5253396

How to let the people who support the nobles live, would they diminish their power?

I'm not talking about giving them armor, pikes and teaching them combat formations, I'm saying that the peasants knowing which side of the spear to hold when the germans attack the noble's village might be something most of them won't complain about, especially since they won't have to pay for it.

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Anonymous ID:oYYfjxc6 Tue 03 May 2022 15:10:07 No.5253523 Report

Quoted By: >>5253576

>>5253418
We would be better served spending those resources on replenishing and expanding our professional forces.

>>5252562
QM, with our confiscation of Angelus lands do we rule those lands directly now?

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Anonymous ID:x20Wr+JH Tue 03 May 2022 15:15:45 No.5253534 Report

Quoted By: >>5253561

>>5253418
Anon why are you namefag?

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Malignant Advisor ID:mcp/jt/i Tue 03 May 2022 15:35:01 No.5253561 Report

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>>5253534

>Because I'm good enough, only cowards hide behind numbers.

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Malignant Advisor ID:mcp/jt/i Tue 03 May 2022 15:42:08 No.5253576 Report

Quoted By: >>5253585 >>5254227

>>5253523

Excellent idea, when the opportunity arises I will vote for your option. I just hope we have the tons of gold needed to create the legions to protect the entire Empire with only professional armies.

After all training, supplying and pay hundreds of soldiers monthly will be much easier than training peasants who don't charge a salary regularly, the idea of the year.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:0udjoriA Tue 03 May 2022 15:50:19 No.5253585 Report

Quoted By: >>5253621

>>5253576
Levies exist you know
You don't need to pay them at all
Levies are the meat of the army while regular troops are it's bones

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Malignant Advisor ID:mcp/jt/i Tue 03 May 2022 16:21:50 No.5253621 Report

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>>5253585

The whole conversation so far is just the discussion of how to make the levies more effective, and what I'm proposing is to organize them in the form of militias, to improve their leadership and usefulness. It's not a replacement system, it's an upgrade.

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Anonymous ID:oYYfjxc6 Wed 04 May 2022 00:04:17 No.5254227 Report

Quoted By: >>5254824

>>5253576
>waste resources on retarded militia idea
>do what we can to replenish our professional forces

Hard choice

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Malignant Advisor ID:mcp/jt/i Wed 04 May 2022 09:25:36 No.5254824 Report

Quoted By: >>5255048

>>5254227

>Use few resources in militias that preserve the few professional soldiers we have.
>Using an astronomical number of resources we don't have, lives we don't have, and time to train all those legions we don't have. If we survive the nobles fearing the loss of their power and the few capable men they have, causing a second rebellion.

Really I've never seen an easier question, after all when it comes to troops and defense of a state what matters is the offensive factor, as if this id a total war game.

The factors of our economic, social and political situation obviously do not matter at all in this situation.

>Thanks for sharing your brilliant ideas, which obviously considered all aspects of the problem.

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Anonymous ID:5C3NZcKs Wed 04 May 2022 10:25:38 No.5254862 Report

Quoted By: >>5254876 >>5254992

>>5253288
Spears and shield training require LOTS of harsh discipline and regular teamwork training. There is a reason why the city states were complete hard asses about their regular drilling for their citizenry. Yes, it's cheap but NOT time free. So you will need to force everyone to get together to train regularly and cough up the money for equipment. Good luck with that especially for the local nobles to worry about the peasantry coming for their heads because being dicks to them.

The cheapest is actually slingers but you need a clear line of sight and they are good for skirmishing. Spears and shields require the most discipline and hence time consuming. Bows are very demanding on the body and skill. Polearms are the cheapest for melee. Crossbows are expensive but the easiest to learn for ranged.

>>5253315
Yes. Good militia is not cheap and needs time to be trained properly. Good professional forces are even more expensive. Good militia however can be raised and respond quickly vs good professional armies which take time to arrive and are often more experienced/better equipped.

Basically no matter what it comes down to a matter of expenses. Our economy is in shambles and we can afford neither of them. In terms of our economy right now we only produce high end luxury goods(see velvet, silks, and dyes). That's it our economy is so shit. We don't even need to really raise taxes or specifically target the rich. Just make it so there is actual economic development, industries, jobs, ect.

If people have money they can afford to equip themselves and we can actually raise good armies or levy professional trainers to establish trained organized militias. It can even be used as a means of scouting for talents and recruiting for our professional armed forces. Even if we do raise levies they are garbage and losing the manpower will be devastating for our already struggling economy. No matter what approach we take better quality levies or more professional soldiers we need to be able to afford it. Hence better economy is raping us in terms of our military. Hence why only the Church and nobility has any military forces who are worth a damn. Church has monks who produce their own food, gear, and holy orders who train all day. While nobles can afford all the costs on their own. We can't tax Church and nobles are too corrupt. If we want Church forces to help we have to let them target Heathens and be pious enough otherwise they won't do shit. Nobles are strictly self interested only.
So until our economy is fixed we are gonna keep getting screwed in terms of military affairs.

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Anonymous ID:gJWJUB98 Wed 04 May 2022 11:00:40 No.5254876 Report

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>>5254862
Pretty much, for when we are less fucked as I keep saying.
Slingers are an interesting one, again whatever we decide we should make it a sport. Balearic slingers became legendary because becoming a mercenary was so profitable, they made a sport out of it in case you ever decided to go into that line of work.
Sport consisted on target shooting, you had to pass your bullet through a hoop X distance away

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Malignant Advisor ID:mcp/jt/i Wed 04 May 2022 14:11:16 No.5254992 Report

Quoted By: >>5255048

>>5254862

Have you ever held a spear and shield in your life? No, this is absolutely ridiculous, this set is one of the easiest to organize in the world. Why do you think that from Celtic tribes to Chinese warlords this is the combination always uhino

It requires weeks training and besides these weapons will not stay in the hands of the peasants, they will train with sticks and shields. The spears will be stocked in the armory where they are already are, until the noble leader of the militia distributes them in case of emergency

What a shit idea and the idea of giving slings, usually you train for a few weeks to learn how to use the faithful combination of spear and shield (I'm talking about weapons, obviously they won't make formations because they are militias, they don't have the numbers to create complex formatioswingIt takes half a year of intensive training to use a sling, besides I don't know if you know something about these harmless weapons, because they have already stopped and even defeated Cataphract's.

With with right volume they can cause internal wounds even with heavy armor, alas yes we would be creating the end of the empire, seriously do you know anything about ancient weapons?

These things disappeared from the battlefield precisely because it takes so long to create such a troop on a regular basis, only people who have slings as part of the culture were used for this service and that's when it was more common, like the Jews.

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Anonymous ID:oYYfjxc6 Wed 04 May 2022 15:20:09 No.5255048 Report

Quoted By: >>5255123

>>5254824
>>do what we can to replenish our professional forces
>>Using an astronomical number of resources we don't have, lives we don't have, and time to train all those legions we don't have.

One of these does not look like the other, further you're defeating your own point by saying we don't have the manpower, why waste it on shitty disorganized militias rather than professional troops that are more likely to survive?

>>5254992
Have you ever even tried to march in formation? Oh wait

>obviously they won't make formations because they are militias

HAHAHAHAHA

Just stop, seriously.

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Malignant Advisor ID:mcp/jt/i Wed 04 May 2022 16:27:47 No.5255123 Report

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>>5255048

I said that training the Levies, who have to fight anyway to reduce casualties would be nice.

>Yes!

When I was eleven years old at the school on independence day we had to march in formation, all schools do this to this day. The route was half a kilometer through the middle of the city and we were going to receive extra points in the tests if the parade was well done.

If a teacher can get forty children to parade after practice once a week for a month, a noble can train a militia to march in order in similar time.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Wed 04 May 2022 17:57:36 No.5255200 Report

Quoted By: >>5255203

They shall be divided. A kyvernítis (governor) to govern over the théma (placement, district) and a Strategos (General) to command the troops. Both shall hopefully balance each other out, making it far more difficult for any would be rebel to seize power. The implementation is already giving you a headache. Where will you find the military man to fill these positions ? Surely, a mere exam will not be enough, actual combat experience is needed. Not only that, proper education is required, how to organize supply lines, how to make proper formations, how to ensure that discipline and morale holds in the face of an overwhelming enemy. A test can be made for it, but you know from the books that you read about great battles. You would be a terrible general. Book knowledge alone will not be enough for such a position. But that is matter for another time, the time when you will deal with trying to reform the army.

The senate is still gathered, but three reforms in such short order may push them too far. You will wait, for now. The moment heads cool, this reform shall be implemented. However, as it stands, you shall busy yourself with the day-to-day. Reforms are good and all, but you had been putting away your duties, documents need signing, projects need approval or disapproval. Luckily, you managed to deal with the court and its intrigues in one swift action, so no pointless infighting will be taking your mind away from your work.
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(POV shift: You are Cerularius Attaliates, a kentarch (centurion) facing the Lucenians.)

“The shield ! Raise the shield ! Not like that, what are you, women !? Raise it properly or God help I will personally beat all of you !” Your loud, harsh voice rings.

The men in front of you had been raised but a few days ago, after the emperor’s messenger arrived carrying his seal granting authority for immediate conscription. And now you have been put on babysitting duty, training the sorry excuse in front of you. A depressingly few are actually hardy men. Most are either in their late or early teens, or they themselves are elders older than forty winters. The strategos (General) had quickly exercised his new found authority to force the men before your eyes into service. It was like pulling teeth from the local landholders to get what few able-bodied men you could, but overall, by your estimate you had managed to enlarge the army by at least a couple of thousand.

Said couple thousand of men then like a swarm of locust descended upon food stores and armouries. Fighting men tend to eat a lot, and they tend to burn through equipment at an alarming late. Nothing like a novice to break all of your training equipment.

With annoyance, you watch as a man, perhaps fifteen or so, thrust his spear too far, unable to maintain his stature he falls face first onto the chilly snow.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Wed 04 May 2022 17:58:38 No.5255203 Report

Quoted By: >>5255204

>>5255200

“You donkey ! What do you think, you are doing ?! You think you are one of those great heroes of myth ?! Get back on your feet or I will bury you here and now !” With your wrath directed onwards to a single individual, the boy quickly jumps to and re-joins the formation.

“Remember ! You are not heroes ! You are not the chosen of the Shepherd ! You are but men ! You bleed, you die, you feel pain, and fear ! But your enemies are men too ! They feel the same what you feel ! Whilst you fight for your home and your families, they fight to take it away from you ! So remember this ! Keep your shield raised, keep your spear pointed, and keep in formation ! You comrade besides you shall assist you, your comrade besides you will help you ! Do not fight alone, do not be provoked, keep in line, obey your orders, and keep a cool head !”

The one hundred men listen to your commands with bated breath. Hoping to learn something from a man with so much experience like you.

Spears, most of whom are coated with rust, not enough to be detrimental, but enough to show the age of the weapons and the lack of maintenance. Simple round shields, with no metal reinforcement. Nothing more than simple padded cloth. Everything else is what the men could gather themselves. A few knives here and there, maybe and actual helmet, but most are too poor to supplement their kit with anything worth a damn.

The poor gathering’s to face Lucenian raiders. You were part of the disastrous campaign that had seen so many of you dead. You know Lucenians, you know how bloodthirsty they are in their worship of their pagan gods. They do not fear death, for their gods demand it. The reason why they had devastated you so was twofold. Each and every one of them is an archer, they massive bows easily penetrating most armour and shields, then screaming the names of their gods they charge, their axes, either wielding them in one hand with a shield, or in both hands, would impact your lines. Heaving and cleaving, they would tear formations apart. And that is the important part, even though they are usually clad in padded cloth covered with chainmail, such armour offers little protection against stabbing attacks of spears. If the charge can be stopped, their entire force will fall into disrepair. They comrades pushing their most eager against the shields, crushing them in turn. After that happens, the fight is won.

But looking over the men in front of you, you cannot help but sigh. You said all those things to boots their fighting spirit, but if they break, and you fear that they will, nothing will be left of them as they will be cut to bits.

Hopefully, the city guard and mercenaries in route will prove more efficient. Hopefully, the raiders will only number in low hundreds. Hopefully, you will be with this and enjoy the warmth of home. Hopefully, hopefully, hopefully.
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NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Wed 04 May 2022 17:59:40 No.5255204 Report

Quoted By: >>5255205

>>5255203

You’ve wrapped yourself into your sleeping bag, made out of furs, you had paid a premium for it, but is it worth it in such a cold night. You are currently camping inside a border town the locals call Chessa. At its height, the village had housed close to a thousand souls, strong wooden walls were erected around it, due to its position as one of the main trading town alongside the mountains. Unfortunately, with the loss of the East, trade revenue dried up, and eventually petered out. The wars took their toll, and now the town only houses four hundred, with women and young being three fourths of that number.

A safe enough place to rest at, but you cannot help but feel restless. The nightmare of Nepotian’s folly plays out again and again. The tagmata (regiment/battalion) had charged, the plains should have been their natural playground, but it had rained heavily that night. Issac, you and some other centurions advised against it, but Nepotian still ordered the charge, for no other reason than the fact that he had fallen out of favour in the court, fearing replacement, he had aggressively pushed you, to the point where supplies stopped reaching you, not like you had many to begin with. His peacock strutting had ensured that your supply lines lagged behind. But he still ordered to charge.

And so, they did. By God, they did. And then they died. The mud slowing them down, the fortifications thrown together blunting the few who managed to reach the enemy line. You still remember the screams. Had Issac not pulled them back against orders, two thousand cavalrymen would have all been lost. Instead of retreating, now you were ordered to attack. The skoutatoi (hoplite) did. And then they died. You had not even made it half-way when the formations had begun to break, your shields pierced, injuring arms and hands, opening gaps through which more arrows fell. Panicking, you were unable to notice the charge, the charge that spelled the doom of the imperial army, the charge that saw a third of the empire gone to the hands of barbaroi (barbarians).

You awake to the sound of a falcon’s scream. Rubbing your eyes, you rise from your bed roll, lazily putting on your clothes you leave the once abandoned home, one of the few that you could actually repurpose for sleeping.

The stars glow brightly as you head outside. There had been rolling skirmishes for the past few weeks. The reinforcements should have reached the main army by now. Most of the villages that you had come across had been burnt to the ground, their populace slaughtered. Men, women, children, their throats split and bled out were afterwards hanged upon trees, the gathered blood used to paint the symbols of their gods in their strange script.

A thud. What was that ?

Your eyes peer into the darkness, specifically at the wooden walls.

There are no watchmen.

Blood freezes in your veins.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Wed 04 May 2022 18:00:41 No.5255205 Report

Quoted By: >>5255206 >>5255259 >>5257278

>>5255204

There are no watchmen. The entire wall…it is empty.

You scramble, running back into the house. “We’re under attack ! Rise from your slumber !”

With your words, all hell breaks loose, realizing that they had been found, your attackers, the Lucenians no doubt, deciding that there no longer is a need for stealth. Warcries are quickly heard. Whatever men on patrol that were still alive and awake facing their opponents. The following screams of pain rapidly informing you about whom won the engagement.

Reaching your room, you quickly put on the chainmail and helmet, ignoring the padded armour and your lamellar, only grabbing the shield and your spathion. You do not have the time for anything more.

“Rally ! Rally under me !” You shout once you are outside again.

For your efforts, an arrow pierces your shield and imbeds itself. A typical looking Lucenian warrior aims once more at you, his longbow again stretching. You charge in response, raising your shield at moment he looses, preventing the arrow from injuring your arm. Realizing he no longer has the time to deal with you, he quickly holsters the bow and grabs a snarly looking two-handed axe.

Your shield splinters under the blow. But that is exactly what you wanted. With the raider’s axe head now stuck upon your shield, you quickly twist it, disarming the man and delivering an accurate stab of your own straight at his throat.

You are disturbed. As the man’s look of shock and pain, turns to happiness and contentedness, believing that he will now rest alongside his gods.

Chaos reigns all around you. The defenders having roused themselves filtering onto the streets. The conscripts are cut to pieces. The fifteen-year-old, you witness as his arm is broken under a powerful blow, and the sharpened axe head impacts his skull. At the very least he had not suffered for long. The skoutatoi (hoplite) fare better, they are experienced and battle-hardened, following your command they had indeed started to rally, and that is when the battle begins to slowly turn in your favour.

Shouting orders, giving commands, rallying your men. You eventually reach a point where you out number the raiders four to one. More often than not, it is Lucenian blood that is spilled, it is Lucenian lives that are lost, it is Lucenian screams that fill your ears.

“They are broken !” You shout as the raiders finally begin to rout. “After them !”

With warcries you being pursuing, but that is nothing more than a ruse. You are far too bloodied and disorganize to actually keep up with the Lucenians. But it does not matter, you had won the day, even if you had to pay a damnable price for it.
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(End of POV shift.)

News of victory finally trickle back to the capital. Heavy losses were sustained, especially amongst the conscripts and the hired mercenaries, with the city-guard also taking a beating, but maintaining their formation and organization.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Wed 04 May 2022 18:01:43 No.5255206 Report

>>5255205

You had shown the Lucenians that your lands are not easy picking, no matter how tentative that truth may be. For now, the Lucenians will not attack you, until they regain their own strength.

Anno domini 1084

The day of Shepherd’s ascension had come. Your administrative reforms are underway, the navy is slowly, but surely, regaining strength. The border holds, for the moment.

For the first in months you had found yourself with some free time, naturally you will attend the new year’s celebrations, but you deserve a vacation.

Can pick only one.

>Take some time to read books. Perhaps you will discover something of interest ? After all, the imperial archives are extensive.

>The gymnasium screams to you. The memories of the coup scream to you. You doubt that you will be able to built up enough muscle to reach the level of your tagmata, but should at least get yourself to a level of semi-professionals.

>Technique ! Technique always wins the day, ask Armentarius to train you in martial arts. Your strength will not improve as fast, but you will learn how to fight, if nothing else.

Can be picked alongside others.
>With the palace so empty, perhaps you should look for a pet ?

>(Write in)

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Anonymous ID:vSe1EZ2q Wed 04 May 2022 18:12:02 No.5255211 Report

Quoted By: >>5255347

>>5255206
>spend time with our officers learning about the basics of warfare
>With the palace so empty, perhaps you should look for a pet ?
Big dog.

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Malignant Advisor ID:mcp/jt/i Wed 04 May 2022 18:12:45 No.5255212 Report

Quoted By: >>5255216

>>5255206

>The gymnasium screams to you. The memories of the coup scream to you. You doubt that you will be able to built up enough muscle to reach the level of your tagmata, but should at least get yourself to a level of semi-professionals.
>Technique ! Technique always wins the day, ask Armentarius to train you in martial arts. Your strength will not improve as fast, but you will learn how to fight, if nothing else.

>With the palace so empty, perhaps you should look for a bride? And a dog of course.

The Palace smells of male, we need a female opinion in the life of our competent Emperor.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:7FlXZulx Wed 04 May 2022 18:13:53 No.5255215 Report

Quoted By:

>>5255206
>Technique ! Technique always wins the day, ask Armentarius to train you in martial arts. Your strength will not improve as fast, but you will learn how to fight, if nothing else.
We need to know how to defend ourselves before improving on that foundation
>With the palace so empty, perhaps you should look for a pet ?
Let's get a wolf.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:vSe1EZ2q Wed 04 May 2022 18:14:36 No.5255216 Report

Quoted By: >>5255221

>>5255212
It's sadly only one with a pet as a bonus

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Malignant Advisor ID:mcp/jt/i Wed 04 May 2022 18:19:16 No.5255220 Report

Quoted By: >>5255232 >>5255329

>>5255206

>Technique ! Technique always wins the day, ask Armentarius to train you in martial arts. Your strength will not improve as fast, but you will learn how to fight, if nothing else.

>With the palace so empty, perhaps you should look for a bride? And a dog obviously.

We need to get married and soon,.we have to generate as many children as possible.

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Malignant Advisor ID:mcp/jt/i Wed 04 May 2022 18:20:18 No.5255221 Report

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>>5255216

Sorry, I chose one more option than I should have.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:Oebx2Gw+ Wed 04 May 2022 18:32:00 No.5255226 Report

Quoted By: >>5255808

>>5255206
>>Technique ! Technique always wins the day, ask Armentarius to train you in martial arts. Your strength will not improve as fast, but you will learn how to fight, if nothing else
I want us to interact with Armentarius more so picking this
>>With the palace so empty, perhaps you should look for a pet ?
Preferably a Mastiff since Wolfs are neurotic retards. If there is an equivalent to the Greek Mollossian here even better.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Oebx2Gw+ Wed 04 May 2022 18:36:22 No.5255232 Report

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>>5255220
+1 for bride finding

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:0udjoriA Wed 04 May 2022 18:51:37 No.5255242 Report

Quoted By:

>>5255206
>Technique ! Technique always wins the day, ask Armentarius to train you in martial arts. Your strength will not improve as fast, but you will learn how to fight, if nothing else.
>With the palace so empty, perhaps you should look for a pet ?
A trained dog

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UBr4B5/G Wed 04 May 2022 18:53:14 No.5255243 Report

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>>5255206
>The gymnasium screams to you. The memories of the coup scream to you. You doubt that you will be able to built up enough muscle to reach the level of your tagmata, but should at least get yourself to a level of semi-professionals.

This is supposed to be our free time and this is best for dealing with stress. Though I agree that if we are actually looking to improve then learning martials arts and the proper technique is the way to go.

>Get a dog or cat, no need for exotic pets.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Mk8wxxdk Wed 04 May 2022 19:03:55 No.5255246 Report

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>>5255206
>>Take some time to read books. Perhaps you will discover something of interest ? After all, the imperial archives are extensive.

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Malignant Advisor ID:mcp/jt/i Wed 04 May 2022 19:25:48 No.5255259 Report

Quoted By: >>5255264 >>5255268 >>5255306 >>5255441

>>5255205

>First of all good to see you again QM.

I would like to make a request or rather a suggestion, feel free to iguinorar, the Quest is yours and whatever you want to write is and what matters.

But would it be possible to have the opinion of our head of the Guard and our head of the Eunuchs give their opinions on how to end the reform? After all, both represent the military and political sides respectively within the empire, having an inside view of the world could help our final decision on this reform.

Second, would it be possible to put our eunuch to work? The entire senate is currently in one location, it would be the perfect time to spread a rumor that the emperor is looking for an empress. Thus causing the most important noble families to send in their marriage proposals to us.

After all, due to the end of our father's noble family, any woman who marries us will give birth to the next emperor.

>These are just suggestions, feel free to ignore them if you want I promise I won't be hurt.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Wed 04 May 2022 19:30:30 No.5255264 Report

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>>5255259

If enough anons want it. That is what the write ins are for. I also saw the pet discussion and when I found a good moment for, I allowed to vote for it.

At the end of the day, I will always advocate for player freedom, as long as it is not character breaking. So feel free to write in anything you want to.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:vSe1EZ2q Wed 04 May 2022 19:37:37 No.5255268 Report

Quoted By: >>5255269 >>5255273

>>5255259
it may work, but we gotta have our bros filter out the bad ones.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:vSe1EZ2q Wed 04 May 2022 19:38:37 No.5255269 Report

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>>5255268
So this is a yes I like the idea of spreading the rumor.

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Malignant Advisor ID:mcp/jt/i Wed 04 May 2022 19:47:57 No.5255273 Report

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>>5255268

Truth.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:2kzqplVe Wed 04 May 2022 21:18:52 No.5255306 Report

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>>5255259
Supporting this, plus getting a dog

Plus:
>Technique ! Technique always wins the day, ask Armentarius to train you in martial arts. Your strength will not improve as fast, but you will learn how to fight, if nothing else.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Wed 04 May 2022 21:42:50 No.5255326 Report

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>>5255206
>Take some time to read books. Perhaps you will discover something of interest ? After all, the imperial archives are extensive.

Literally our specialty.

>With the palace so empty, perhaps you should look for a pet ?
Wolf, Hawk, Griffin. Simple as.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oYYfjxc6 Wed 04 May 2022 21:48:10 No.5255329 Report

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>>5255220
Support

A suitable political alliance will do wonders for us, I still we should try to win over some eastern magnate with a marriage if possible.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:3SI9EaN8 Wed 04 May 2022 22:06:32 No.5255344 Report

Quoted By: >>5255347

>>5255206
>Anno domini 1084
>The gymnasium screams to you. The memories of the coup scream to you. You doubt that you will be able to built up enough muscle to reach the level of your tagmata, but should at least get yourself to a level of semi-professionals.
There's more to life than just fighting. If we want to be able to campaign and visit the rougher country we should get in better shape.
>With the palace so empty, perhaps you should look for a pet ?
griffin time

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:vSe1EZ2q Wed 04 May 2022 22:09:11 No.5255347 Report

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>>5255344
>griffin
Holy shit Forgot the Griffin option.
>>5255211
So bye bye big dog.
Hello Griffin.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Xufnif3q Wed 04 May 2022 22:17:03 No.5255356 Report

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>>5255206
>>Technique ! Technique always wins the day, ask Armentarius to train you in martial arts. Your strength will not improve as fast, but you will learn how to fight, if nothing else.
>>With the palace so empty, perhaps you should look for a pet ?
There are any griffin around ? a dog is fine as well

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:gd7UYxWq Wed 04 May 2022 23:18:37 No.5255401 Report

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>>5255206
>Technique ! Technique always wins the day, ask Armentarius to train you in martial arts. Your strength will not improve as fast, but you will learn how to fight, if nothing else.
>With the palace so empty, perhaps you should look for a pet ?
Griffins are expensive. Go for a dog. If we actually reform things without getting killed we can get one for our kid.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:5C3NZcKs Wed 04 May 2022 23:28:35 No.5255406 Report

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>>5255206
>The gymnasium screams to you. The memories of the coup scream to you. You doubt that you will be able to built up enough muscle to reach the level of your tagmata, but should at least get yourself to a level of semi-professionals.

>With the palace so empty, perhaps you should look for a pet ?
Big Dog.

>(Write in)
Bride searching.

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Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Thu 05 May 2022 00:02:45 No.5255441 Report

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>>5255206
>The gymnasium screams to you. The memories of the coup scream to you. You doubt that you will be able to built up enough muscle to reach the level of your tagmata, but should at least get yourself to a level of semi-professionals.
It's better to get strong first and then practice martial arts.

>With the palace so empty, perhaps you should look for a pet ?
No griffin. Get a big dog or two, a hawk or a falcon and a horse instead. Appropriate animals for a ruler.

>>5255259
I demand we engage in Crusader Kings eugenics.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:B8WkQ91q Thu 05 May 2022 01:45:27 No.5255569 Report

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>>5255206
>>The gymnasium screams to you. The memories of the coup scream to you. You doubt that you will be able to built up enough muscle to reach the level of your tagmata, but should at least get yourself to a level of semi-professionals.

>With the palace so empty, perhaps you should look for a pet ?
Herding dog
They are very intelligent

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Nz+xHatL Thu 05 May 2022 01:48:44 No.5255575 Report

Quoted By: >>5255593

>>5255206
>The gymnasium screams to you. The memories of the coup scream to you. You doubt that you will be able to built up enough muscle to reach the level of your tagmata, but should at least get yourself to a level of semi-professionals

The fat has been cut from the Imperial lifestyle, and now the little emperor must replace it with MUSCLE

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Nz+xHatL Thu 05 May 2022 01:59:00 No.5255593 Report

Quoted By: >>5255626

>>5255206
>>5255575

I forgot to add other parts.

Pet wise, I'm for falcon, dog, griffin combo. Horses are for plebs and cost-efficient cavalry, falconry is appropriate, and a noble hound would be a most trustworthy companion.

And I favor leaking some marriage interest. Our emperor desperately needs to avoid getting coup'd again, so an alliance with some decent house would be right. Maybe can make that the same house we award Kósmosaspída to...

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Oebx2Gw+ Thu 05 May 2022 02:21:23 No.5255626 Report

Quoted By: >>5255633

>>5255593
Kósmosaspída?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:p2k37YnC Thu 05 May 2022 02:22:43 No.5255628 Report

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>>5255206
>Technique ! Technique always wins the day, ask Armentarius to train you in martial arts. Your strength will not improve as fast, but you will learn how to fight, if nothing else.
Gain strength and learn to fight. Kill two birds with one stone.
>With the palace so empty, perhaps you should look for a pet ?
Big dog.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Nz+xHatL Thu 05 May 2022 02:25:11 No.5255633 Report

Quoted By: >>5255642

>>5255626
The administrative region right outside of the capital, World Shield in proper English. You know, the one whose governers we just removed from office?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Oebx2Gw+ Thu 05 May 2022 02:31:17 No.5255642 Report

Quoted By: >>5255650

>>5255633
Then its of strategic importance, why give it away like we are the ones paying a dowry? Marriage to the purple is reward enough.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Nz+xHatL Thu 05 May 2022 02:36:24 No.5255650 Report

Quoted By: >>5255659

>>5255642
It is my suspicion that putting the house that marries into the imperial family in control of the region most directly attached to imperial capital would make us safer. It's less about a gift, and more about putting relatively loyal nobles in place of the region. Indeed, given the region's lack of economic or strategic importance otherwise, loyalty is the overriding matter of importance.

That said, I'm not the best schooled in dynastic history. Maybe giving your spouse's family control over the proverbial sword of damocles is a bad idea.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Oebx2Gw+ Thu 05 May 2022 02:43:02 No.5255659 Report

Quoted By: >>5255666

>>5255650
I'm just paranoid about the idea of seating another noble house there after the last one felt they could play kingmaker. Though, we do have some young relatives that are being educated by our servants. Since they have no real powerbase besides our own we could just let one of them govern the place in our name until we really need to reward someone.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Nz+xHatL Thu 05 May 2022 02:48:40 No.5255666 Report

Quoted By: >>5255669

>>5255659
Whoever permanently rules that region will be able to play kingmaker, as the history of the empire has shown. That is why I think it best to put persons there who already have the purple in their blood, rather than needing to grasp after it.

I REALLY don't like the idea of giving it to one of those kids, given that we blinded their parents and all that. And liquid treason likely runs in their veins...

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Oebx2Gw+ Thu 05 May 2022 02:54:40 No.5255669 Report

Quoted By: >>5255673

>>5255666
kek fine satan. Then might as well keep it as apart of our demesne like the House Angelus lands until something changes.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Nz+xHatL Thu 05 May 2022 02:58:36 No.5255673 Report

Quoted By: >>5256335 >>5256396

>>5255669
Fair enough. You know, I'd really like to learn the history of the whole eastern rebellion. It's absurd to hope that marriage might solve it even in part, but one can dream.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:gJWJUB98 Thu 05 May 2022 06:02:18 No.5255808 Report

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>>5255206
>>5255226
A big enough breed we can put chainmail on it, the savagery of a wolf but tempered with intelligence. We are obviously raising it, with Armentarius assistance

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Xufnif3q Thu 05 May 2022 19:42:41 No.5256335 Report

Quoted By: >>5256372 >>5256396 >>5256749

>>5255673
Now that i think about it we could summon Gallienus, our head of eunuchs, and see about recruiting some diplomats,
a small group.
Though it could wait later when we have more money, essentially with them we would build our image in other realms and create some basic relations (that can develop in alliances if we want).
Diplomats would require transportation and protection, and travel can be costly.

But for the Magnates, just one diplomat should be fine. If we want to. The army needs to become more prepared first, and replenish numbers preferably.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:7GL2FZj0 Thu 05 May 2022 20:06:22 No.5256372 Report

Quoted By: >>5256441 >>5256749

>>5256335
Like a 'Bureau of Barbarians'?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oYYfjxc6 Thu 05 May 2022 20:26:11 No.5256396 Report

Quoted By: >>5256441 >>5256749

>>5255673
>>5256335
>eastern magnates

I'm the one that keeps bringing up a marriage with one of their elites, I don't expect it would solve the problem, but it would certainly be a good start or at least part of a package deal to bring them back in.

With the state of our military we are not in a good situation to conquer them outright. Absolutely we need to research the reasons why they rebelled and look into what we can offer to mend the schism. Every life spent in conquest there on both sides would be one of our own people, people we need. Even if we can only convince one of them to rejoin diplomatically it is necessary that we do so.

Fully support getting a diplomatic bureau going.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Xufnif3q Thu 05 May 2022 20:59:26 No.5256441 Report

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>>5256372
Maybe ?
Perhaps a new bureau could be made, thought thankfully since we make it , we can decide how it's done. For example not having any of the issues of the other government parts of the empire.

>>5256396
I agree that we should probably try to see if diplomacy is available with them. At least they aren't like the Lucenians. If diplomacy fails it can still give us an idea about the current strengths and weaknesses of the Magnates.
About the bureau, if it's done it should start small, probably is best if we find someone that can be at the head of it first. We have still many issues to adress, the roads for name one, so until those issues are solved the bureau shouldn't get larger.
For now though one diplomat can suffice, and we gain someone that knows other languages in our court.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:p2k37YnC Fri 06 May 2022 02:19:20 No.5256727 Report

Quoted By: >>5256749 >>5256989 >>5257069 >>5258167

>Poisonous incense came from Lucenia
>Potential Maniakes trading with Lucenia, or at least the conspirators to get the poison
>Uncle empties out the EASTERN garrison protecting against the Lucenian
>Lucenians were already planning a raid near the time our father died

Really gets the almonds spinning.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:p2k37YnC Fri 06 May 2022 02:25:28 No.5256733 Report

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I think we have to strike at House Ingerinus from Orospulón next. I wouldn't be surprised if they were selling ore to the Lucenians. Who knows how deep the conspiracy of Uncle ran.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Fri 06 May 2022 02:38:52 No.5256749 Report

Quoted By: >>5256796

>>5256335
>>5256372
That maybe could work, but I’m thinking more Machiavelli’s warring Italians States, in which one invited the French in to deal with their enemies, and essentially solidified French influence in Italian politics. We don’t need to get everyone on board, just enough to get our foot in the door, so to speak.

>>5256396
>marrying active rebels
No. It won’t give us the East, and it will only piss off our noble elites. It’d be a waste of a Emperor marriage. Now, our cousins on the other hand…

>>5256727
Well, that particular nonsense should stop, at least for the minute.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:G16D6mCE Fri 06 May 2022 03:03:34 No.5256796 Report

Quoted By: >>5257296

By the way QM, is there any ongoing church schism in regards to worship of the Shepard like the one between medieval Catholics and Orthodox? Just so we can keep it in mind in regards to future deplomacy. Is there a Holy Thesphian Empire that our character knows of?
>>5256749
That's pretty much what the Bureau was for yeah. But adjusted for an empire and not an Italian republic.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:gd7UYxWq Fri 06 May 2022 07:23:23 No.5256989 Report

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>>5256727
If we miraculously get the army in a state where it's able to go on expeditions without destabilising our core provinces they are definitely the first on our list.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:W1pKpPF+ Fri 06 May 2022 10:34:42 No.5257069 Report

Quoted By: >>5257267 >>5257914 >>5258167

>>5256727
Speaking of; how could we go into converting some of their population to destabilize their power?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:3hvJfDhk Fri 06 May 2022 16:51:57 No.5257267 Report

Quoted By: >>5257274 >>5257276

>>5257069
We still don't know much about their society but seeing as they are a collection of disorganized and barbarous tribes I don't think we would be able to do this peacefully.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oYYfjxc6 Fri 06 May 2022 17:02:52 No.5257274 Report

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>>5257267
This, swordpoint conversions will be a necessity I expect.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:HdqqOINX Fri 06 May 2022 17:05:16 No.5257276 Report

Quoted By: >>5257631

>>5257267
Sounds like a classic case for a bunch of highly-driven martyrdom missionary types to take on

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:mcp/jt/i Fri 06 May 2022 17:07:38 No.5257278 Report

Quoted By: >>5257296

>>5255205
QM I'm confused, was this a major looting or a full-on invasion?

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Fri 06 May 2022 17:40:03 No.5257296 Report

Quoted By: >>5257631 >>5258167

Sorry for the lack of updates. I've been bed ridden yesterday and today. Managed to catch something. Once my brain isn't frying I'll see if I cannot get an update out tomorrow.

>>5256796

>By the way QM, is there any ongoing church schism in regards to worship of the Shepard like the one between medieval Catholics and Orthodox?

Yea. Those on the western continent believe that the Shepherd is not entirely divine, maintaining simplicity and faliability of man. Henceforth his ideals of mercy tempered by war. You believe that he is entirely divine, reaching perfection and abandoning his humanity for a greater purpose. Which is why he can forgive all, but not tolerate evil

>>5257278

>QM I'm confused, was this a major looting or a full-on invasion?

It was a massive raid. In this era, proper armies can only sustain proper invasions during summertime.

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Anonymous ID:YkhS8z2K Fri 06 May 2022 23:17:32 No.5257592 Report

Quoted By: >>5257598 >>5257631

>>5235921
>Sun King
I know this vote has ended but we should definitely end up doing something similar. All the greatest leaders in history developed a demi-god like persona, and a mythos that still enshrouds them to this day. We need to make our people believe that we are much more than just a man.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:kklIZg1l Fri 06 May 2022 23:21:17 No.5257598 Report

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>>5257592
We are on our way to being proclaimed a living saint with that whole asceticism thing and the church actively taking our side.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:3hvJfDhk Sat 07 May 2022 00:00:23 No.5257631 Report

Quoted By: >>5257740

>>5257276
Its a win-win scenario, we get something productive out of the very zealous, create maryrs and when they inevitably kill them, a cause to push for a holy war in a punitive campaign.
>>5257592
I wrote this one, I'm all for developing a cult of personality. If not with the nobles than at least with the army and citizenry.
>>5257296
Get well soon

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oYYfjxc6 Sat 07 May 2022 01:53:23 No.5257740 Report

Quoted By: >>5257890

>>5257631
>Its a win-win scenario

Not necessarily, it assumes we win the war, and that our gains are worth the expenditures.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:3hvJfDhk Sat 07 May 2022 05:05:56 No.5257890 Report

Quoted By: >>5258115

>>5257740
We escalate to war when its practical yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:NvgZcEBe Sat 07 May 2022 05:48:21 No.5257914 Report

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>>5257069
We do what Lenin did and give power to the outcasts of their society, the ones who without us would be the scum of society and who know that their power comes from us.
This will also need the extermination of their clerical class abd indoctrination of their nobles' childrens so that we keep control for more generations as the rulers and average person forgets their old culture.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oYYfjxc6 Sat 07 May 2022 11:57:57 No.5258115 Report

Quoted By: >>5258594

>>5257890
Or the Lucenians get provoked and launch a full scale invasion before we are ready.

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Anonymous ID:YkhS8z2K Sat 07 May 2022 12:28:43 No.5258130 Report

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmANaFTeFZ0

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Xufnif3q Sat 07 May 2022 13:16:37 No.5258167 Report

Quoted By:

>>5257296
np take care

>>5256727
But what if a Lucenian was ..... behind you right now !

>>5257069
See which of the Lucenian tribes is more fine with things like talking/trading. If there is even one tribe like this a missionary could try something, and not get killed if the tribe see trade/talking as something good.
In theory there should be still some imperials around the lands of the Lucenians too

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:i/HJnsTl Sat 07 May 2022 14:18:06 No.5258225 Report

Quoted By: >>5258594

Why are Lucenians so mean guys? Autism?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:hvz5AV46 Sat 07 May 2022 20:36:45 No.5258594 Report

Quoted By: >>5258667

>>5258115
Isaac stated this was probe to see how our defences were. I don't think they'll consider us easy targets so soon after a quick response. I believe they'll go for the eastern magnates next.
>>5258225
Not enough olive oil. We need to cut off their thumbs so they never fire a bow at our tax slaves ever again.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:cOpbDlQ3 Sat 07 May 2022 21:42:26 No.5258667 Report

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>>5258594
Not too sure on cutting the thumb, they are useless as slaves then. The best way to get rid of an archer is to cut index and middle, but thats not great for the economy either.....
Fuck up their arrow hand back muscles?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:S1Wf1zxT Sun 08 May 2022 00:29:28 No.5258855 Report

Quoted By: >>5259195

The Lucenian raid has given me a thought - how are communications with these further parts of the realm? How long did the news of the incursion take to reach us? If it's bad then there is the possibility that in the event of an invasion, the news could take days to get to the capital, which would be unacceptable for a speedy response.

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Anonymous ID:UE4xOPz1 Sun 08 May 2022 04:23:58 No.5259195 Report

Quoted By: >>5259236 >>5259239

>>5258855
Need to get us a pony express, something fast, reliable, and resistant to interference . Anyone who fucks with the mail is punished with death. Even modern US postal service does not fuck around. pic related. The nobility and plebs will appreciate the fast service too.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:YkhS8z2K Sun 08 May 2022 04:52:27 No.5259236 Report

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>>5259195
Genghis had the best pre-locomotive mail service, we should model it after the Yam system.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:S1Wf1zxT Sun 08 May 2022 04:57:51 No.5259239 Report

Quoted By: >>5259277

>>5259195
For simple messages that absolutely needs to be sent right now like "oh fuck, there's an invasion, help", a network of fire beacons could get a warning across the continent in hours and has been tried and tested in history including by the Byzantines - it's surprising and a bit disappointing that optical semaphore relays and heliographs weren't invented earlier in history really, considering they'd be very useful for snappy communication across a large empire.

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Anonymous ID:UE4xOPz1 Sun 08 May 2022 05:20:16 No.5259268 Report

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>>5255206
I vote for a big dog, or dogs, it can be trained to sniff out poisons and track people. Maybe even find out who has been having secret meetings in an empty room. Eagles don't have a sense of smell, so I doubt the bird head of a griffin can.

Spend time to train the dog to not accept food and drink from anyone but you to prevent poisoning, hire a trainer with a thick high collar gambeson and have it aim for the throat or arms on command to have lethal and less-than-lethal options, stay quiet when commanded to for sneaky beaky times, accept orders from you only when you speak a certain uncommon language, and protection training of course.

Spend some dosh on some corrosion resistant tight-fitting riveted mail in a lightweight fantasy metal for them to keep the noise down and protect against even stabbing attacks.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:YkhS8z2K Sun 08 May 2022 05:29:27 No.5259277 Report

Quoted By: >>5259280

>>5259239
I feel introducing a more standard postal service like the Yam system would adapt much easier and would allow for more complex communication to be used. But something like fire beacons could be used like air sirens, they are simple enough that the illiterate peasant from bumfuck could look off in the distance, see the fire and go 'oh fuck, oh shit, that's bad'.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:S1Wf1zxT Sun 08 May 2022 05:34:36 No.5259280 Report

Quoted By: >>5259316

>>5259277
Yes, a postal service would be separate. Beacons are emergency fast communication that basically function as a beeper pager rather than conveying messages.

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Anonymous ID:UE4xOPz1 Sun 08 May 2022 06:10:49 No.5259316 Report

Quoted By: >>5259633

>>5259280
Letting civilians use the postal service should alleviate the costs, just make sure there is always at least one fresh horse and rider on standby at all times just in case a military communication arrives, no empty stations allowed. We'll pay more for the extras but the investment should be worth it if the plebs use it enough.

QM, what is the state of the Empire's horse gene pool? Tiny weak classical and medieval era horses are no match for the huge beasts we have today on the racetrack thanks to centuries of selective breeding. If we don't have fast horses compared to other nations we can set up (or encourage if there is one already) a horse racing and betting culture to encourage breeders to develop faster horses that we can buy for our cavalry and postal service. Nothing beats letting the private sector do all the hard work kek. Pic related

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Sun 08 May 2022 13:48:21 No.5259591 Report

Quoted By: >>5259594

A wooden sword flies downwards, only to be easily side-stepped. Pain shoots through your hands as Armentarius punishes you for your overextended attack. The wooden sword falls to the stone floor as you let it go.

“There is no need to have the sword over your head when you strike. Keep your arms close to your body. Swift strikes, the strength comes from your footing and your arms. Overexaggerated actions not only leave you open for attack, but they do not even give you that much more strength for the blow.” Armentarius quickly delivers his instructions.

Ever since you requested of him to assist you in mastering fighting techniques, his entire personality had almost entirely switched. For the love of God, he does not even finish his sentences with “your majesty” anymore, at least not while you train.

Sighing, you pick up the wooden sword once again, and rise to a combat stance.

“Footing !” He shouts.

[blue]Godammit.[/blue] You grumble to yourself. Spreading your legs, you lower yourself so as to ensure that you are more stable upon your feet.

Armentarius charges the moment he deems you ready. [blue]Downwa- No ! Upwards right ![/blue] Your eyes struggle to keep up, but you’ve gotten better, at the very least you were able to read an obvious faint. You move your blade leftwards, interposing it horizontally. You stop the attack ! But damn, do to the vibrations coming unto your palms hurt.

You prepare yourself for a follow up, however it never comes. Looking around, you realize that Armentarius had already put away the wooden sword.

“Your majesty, it is time to end the training.” He says.

With the pressure gone, you fall to the floor. Only now do you realize why he called the end for the training. You are covered in sweat, your muscles burn, your hands are bleeding. You feel like death. [blue]By the Shepherd, the tagmata go through at least ten times the training I do.[/blue] On the plus side, you had not thrown up, unlike the first time. Armentarius had wanted to see your limits and he made sure to push you pass them.

Having caught your breath, you rise from the floor and begin heading towards the baths, your private baths, specifically.

After freezing off in a cold bath, you begin to slowly recuperate in a warm bath, but before you can truly rest, you watch Gallienus shuffle in.

“Your majesty.” He bows deeply. You nod towards him to proceed. “As you had commanded, rumours had been spread that you are in need of a wife.”

“And the candidates ?” You ask.

“A few potentials, after the filtering process you had instructed us to undertake.”

“How are they ?”

“We’ve yet to actually meet them, but I can assure you, your majesty, marriage with one of these women will be beneficial to the imperial throne.”

[blue]I suppose I should not have expected details so soon.[/blue]

“Then begin.”

“Yes, your majesty.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Sun 08 May 2022 13:49:39 No.5259594 Report

Quoted By: >>5259595

>>5259591

The first would be Helena Kurkuas. Daughter of [i:lit]kyvernítis[/i:lit] (governor) Iovivus Kurkuas of [i:lit]Movmetáxinisiá[/i:lit] (Purple silk islands). She is two years your senior, it said that due to the proximity of the [i:lit]thémata[/i:lit] (placement, district) she had to interact with merchants and traders. Due to this, she had learnt many foreign languages and had developed an eye for trade goods.

Next would be Dominica Bardanes. Your senior by three years. Daughter of [i:lit]kyvernítis[/i:lit] (governor) Nonnosus Bardanes of [i:lit]Chloerógi[/i:lit] (Verdant land). She excels in the matters of etiquette and grace. Embodying the virtues of a fair and proper lady. Or so I am told.

Lastly, Irene Ingerinus. Senior by five years. Daughter of [i:lit]kyvernítis[/i:lit] (governor) Delmatius Ingerinus of [i:lit]Orospulón[/i:lit] (east mountain). Though her father had commented on her fair and gentle nature, the rumours surrounding the lady are quite different. A cruel mistress, a slavemaster, it seems that productivity rises wherever she is. But so does the death rate of slaves and indentured servants.”

Gallienus finally finishes his introductions.

“Are those all them ?” You question.

“At the moment, yes your majesty. The three families, after you had removed the fourth, stand as the most influential within the empire and the senate. Marriage with either would be of great benefit to your majesty.”

“Can you search for more, then ?”

“Yes, your majesty. Commoner, foreigner, lesser nobles. If you command for so, we shall endeavour to look for a candidate that will surely suit your tastes.”

“We understand. You are dismissed, for now.” You dismiss the eunuch; these questions can be pondered after you had your bath and your muscles had been relaxed.
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“Your majesty.” The wizened voice of your [i:lit]kanikleiou[/i:lit] (keeper of the imperial inkstand) calls out.

“Come in.” You command from your chair behind your office’s desk.

“The animal breeder you requested for has arrived. He is awaiting you with his merchandise in the courtyard.” He states entering the room. “He has suggested to have an overlook of the animals outside, as most are young and still untrained.”

You rise from your seat, childish glee in your eyes. “Good, let us go there immediately.”

Moving rapidly, you enter one of the many courtyards of the palace. A large collection of cages and boxes. A dozen of your [i:lit]tagmata[/i:lit] (regiment/battalion) surround the merchant and his various beasts. The merchant himself appears to be a bald man in his fifties with a well-kept beard, in was once black but now strands of grey are slowly consuming it. He is dressed in well fitting furs, primarily those of predatory animals. Despite his age, he appears to be fit and quite energetic for his age. Upon noticing you, he kowtows upon the ground.

“This humble citizen greets your majesty.” He calls out.

“Rise, and tell us of the beasts you bring.” You command.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Sun 08 May 2022 13:50:48 No.5259595 Report

Quoted By: >>5259598 >>5259798

>>5259594

“Yes, your majesty.” He does as commanded and begins to work over the various cages and boxes, before bringing forward a rather large cage.

Within the cage is contained a wolf’s pup. Larger than most you could have imagined to be. Its ears are lowered, his eyes are continuously looking back and forth, it had huddled itself into a corner furthest away from any person nearby. The dark grey fur shakes as the pup looks around.

“It may not look like much, your majesty, but this is a direwolf pup. A young one, of perfect age to form deep attachments to his owners. If fed and looked after properly, it can easily grow as large as a horse, if not bigger. Teeth and jaw powerful enough to crush steel, thick hide capable of shrugging off most blows. Ears capable of hearing even the fluttering of a butterfly kilometres away, a nose capable of smelling blood and foes from one end of the palace to the next, eyes that can easily see in even the darkest of nights and spot prey upon the horizon.” He begins his spiel about the excellent qualities of his merchandise. No doubt parts of his presentation are exaggerated, but the beast itself is quite powerful.

“Next.” He says, grabbing a box before gingerly opening it, where around cushions and hay lays an egg. “A Griffon’s egg. All it requires is a bit of heat and patience before it hatches. Whomever it will see it shall consider its parent. Incredibly dependant and loyal, a griffon will forever stand by you side your majesty. Mighty beak able to pierce armour with ease, eyes fitting of an eagle, capable of seeing foes from truly great distances. Naturally, with a strength of a lion, a griffin is capable of exceptional feats of strength. And of course, its ability for flight, makes a griffon an all-time favourite.” A truly impressive beast, as you yourself had witnessed, no doubt it would make for a fine companion.

“For less exotic options. I have a fine breed of dogs. Capable of assisting in the hunt of bears. Loyal, intelligent, friendly towards their masters, exceptionally fine and gentle fur makes it a favourite to children. Perhaps the finest breed of dogs to ever exist upon God’s green earth.” You’ve seen the breed before, back in your village, rich travellers always had this breed with them. Not as fast as proper shepherd dogs or aggressive as mastiffs, but fine dogs for all other purposes.

“Then there some good cat breeds. Always favourite companions in cities. They hunt mice, birds, and other pests. Very intelligent, they tend to independently wander off by themselves and explore. Still, some might find them uncanny, but they can easily recognize people. As such, they make excellent pets to warn of any strangers, the prickly nature of the felines also mean that they are highly unlikely to be friendly to anyone besides their master.” Your village had a few cats, though you only ever saw them laze about rather than hunt mice.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Sun 08 May 2022 13:51:49 No.5259598 Report

>>5259595

“Finally, I have a fine selection of hunting falcons, eagles, hawks. Each worth a fortune and a favourite of the western lords, besides their warmounts of course. They are well trained and already prepared for hunts you would wish to undertake.” Some of the stories you’ve read come to mind, of the western kings paying their own ransoms with but a few of these well-trained animals.

You will have to personally take care of whomever you take as a pet, as such, you will only have time to care for one.

[red]Can only pick one.[/red]

>The direwolf. It is the symbol of the empire after all.

>The griffin. A fine pet, fit for war.

>A dog is all you need. A fluffy one at that.

>A cat will be the perfect companion. Who would suspect a feline to guard you so well ?

>A hunting falcon. You might even be able to entertain your guest during hunts with it.

>(Write in)

And finally, the last matter for the expansion of your household. Whom of these fine ladies should you meet ? Conversations of marriage do not necessarily lead to it, but some may get wrong ideas.

[red]Can pick more than one.[/red]

>Lady Helena Kurkuas.

>Lady Dominica Bardanes.

>Lady Irene Ingerinus.

>No, you shall await for better options.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Mk8wxxdk Sun 08 May 2022 14:13:31 No.5259628 Report

Quoted By:

>>5259598
>The griffin. A fine pet, fit for war.
>Lady Helena Kurkuas.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Sun 08 May 2022 14:20:23 No.5259633 Report

Quoted By: >>5259663

>>5259316

Most are rather small things. The exception being proper warhorses. The western kingdoms, as embodied by Akeoans are very fond of cavalry and have selectively bred horses for centuries, even during imperial rule. Your tagmata also possess such horses.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Sun 08 May 2022 14:28:04 No.5259638 Report

Quoted By: >>5259650 >>5259696

>>5259598
Assuming we just want it for political and survival purposes
>The direwolf. It is the symbol of the empire after all.
I’d love to have a griffin, but it’s best to use them in war, and our emperor is a book nerd struggling with politics, not an athletic war-master with an mind for strategy.

>Lady Dominica Bardanes.
Lady Dominica Bardanes is a natural fit with our personality and her family has all the manpower we’d need to utilize. I’m sure that Lady Helena Kurkuas will also be vastly popular, and I’m sure the autists will try to hold out hope for a different waifu candidate, such as barbarian princess or one of the manny shitty rebelling Eastern Magistrates.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:p2k37YnC Sun 08 May 2022 14:44:33 No.5259650 Report

Quoted By:

>>5259598
>The Griffin.
I like the idea of being able to hightail on our fuck off mobile any time we want. Name it after the holy knight.

>Lady Helena Kurkuas.
>Lady Dominica Bardanes.
>Lady Irene Ingerinus.
>No, you shall await for better options.

Lets talk to them all. If anything it's a diplomatic meet to gather intelligence about the families and their power. Plus, if we don't meet all, we might slight and worsen relations with the families. I want to be especially careful around Ingerinus as well considering their location in proximity to the Lucenian border and our traitorous uncle.

>>5259638
>with an mind for strategy
Honestly, if we can lock down some experience, we'll be set. Our powerful brain can deal with the theory, but we need action.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:mcp/jt/i Sun 08 May 2022 14:51:51 No.5259657 Report

Quoted By: >>5259692

>>5259598

>The griffin. A fine pet, fit for war.
Having a loyal war beast as a pet seems like the obvious choice.

>Lady Dominica Bardanes.
Perhaps our son is heir to the idea of pacifying the barbarians through marriage instead of the terrible price of war, but because of our origins and our political situation having someone who knows how to behave at court or to keep the nobles satisfied will be our best option.

I just hope she's a religious person, otherwise we'll be widowed very quickly.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Xufnif3q Sun 08 May 2022 14:55:56 No.5259663 Report

Quoted By: >>5260028

>>5259633
I must admit, NewbQm i really like your descriptions. Alongside Manuel thoughts.

>>5259598
A difficult choice, i am somewhat torn. I like the additional symbolism the direwolf would give when we go around. It also sounds not bad at all in war.
At the same time a griffin is a majestic creature and fully fit for war and can move above obstacles during travel, and perfect for get away by air if needed too.
In either case, it will be quite funny when they realize they can't enter in small parts of the palace once they reach full maturity, due to their sizes.

>The direwolf. It is the symbol of the empire after all.
Night vision and a very good nose, is something useful to have on hand. But i admit i'll be happy with whatever choice we pick here.

In regard to marriages, i like Dominica, but i don't want that the other houses immediatly realize it. Beside some talking with this ladies on 1-1 would be a good move. It gives us an idea of their personality as well. And maybe the noble houses will think they all had a chance lol.
>Lady Helena Kurkuas.
>Lady Dominica Bardanes.
>Lady Irene Ingerinus.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:S1Wf1zxT Sun 08 May 2022 14:59:08 No.5259666 Report

Quoted By:

>>5259598
>The direwolf. It is the symbol of the empire after all.
The griffin is a war mount, and while it's cool we are absolutely not going to be riding into battle. A canid makes much more sense for us as a personal animal and guard and possibly companion depending on temperament and how big it gets.
By the way, how exactly do dire wolves behave? Other than being a wolf but DIRE, are they less feral and more trainable than garden-variety wolves?
>Lady Dominica Bardanes.
We're an autist from Bumfuckville, and I feel like she could help us fit into high society and politicking better and has traits we lack and need. In addition, connections to her house will be very beneficial.
While I'd otherwise be inclined to look for more candidates just to have a longer list rather than trying to find someone specific, we need connections with the nobility at home and there isn't really anyone from abroad of relevance to us.
However, I still think we should speak to all of them first. How about we organise an event, send off some invites and make sure they're on the guest list and spend some time with them there?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Sun 08 May 2022 15:24:20 No.5259692 Report

Quoted By: >>5259709 >>5259723 >>5259997

>>5259657
>because of our origins and our political situation having someone who knows how to behave at court or to keep the nobles satisfied will be our best option
>yet voted to get rid of the noble house that specifically had great influence at court
Why are you like this?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:tsc1yRtt Sun 08 May 2022 15:28:03 No.5259696 Report

Quoted By:

>>5259598
>The direwolf. It is the symbol of the empire after all.
I would trust a canine before a bird when it comes to my safety
>Lady Dominica Bardanes.
Seems fitting

>>5259638
>Everyone I disagree with is an autist

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:3SI9EaN8 Sun 08 May 2022 15:36:29 No.5259704 Report

Quoted By:

>>5259598
>The griffin. A fine pet, fit for war.
We need at least somebody who is loyal to us. We are young enough that we can still probably learn to ride it and such.
>Lady Helena Kurkuas.
Not too much use of the others IMO.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:HYeDnqJ0 Sun 08 May 2022 15:39:01 No.5259706 Report

Quoted By: >>5259726

>>5259598
>The direwolf. It is the symbol of the empire after all.

We need those superhuman (supercanine?) senses so we can avoid getting into danger in the first place. Helps us git gud with our OODA loop.

But I want a normal dog too to hide under the tablecloth and bite baddies in the dick :( A guard dog by our side is better than a Clydesdale-sized direwolf stuck on the other side of the palace. It is important that our pet will be able to follow us everywhere; I hope what that merchant meant by 'a horse,' he means it will grow only as big as a Shetland pony pic related. I hope the doors in the palace are big enough if it were any larger.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:mcp/jt/i Sun 08 May 2022 15:39:37 No.5259709 Report

Quoted By:

>>5259692

Because that noble house usurped, killed and plotted her way to the position she was in, because by definition we would be the next to be usurped by that house. Maybe this one is the same as another?

Maybe, but unlike the other time we have the chance to choose something better, like "the definition of a traditional lady" sounds less retarded.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:mcp/jt/i Sun 08 May 2022 15:52:05 No.5259723 Report

Quoted By: >>5260729

>>5259692

Because that noble house usurped, killed and plotted her way to the position she was in? By definition we would be the next to be usurped by that house, maybe this one have the same reputation?

Maybe, but unlike the other time we have the chance to choose something better, like "the definition of a traditional lady" honestly sounds less retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:HYeDnqJ0 Sun 08 May 2022 15:53:12 No.5259726 Report

Quoted By: >>5259737

>>5259706
P.S. I also want a pet capable of smelling poison in our food and smack it off the table. And refuse to eat poisoned food. Eagles can't smell, no griffins.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:HYeDnqJ0 Sun 08 May 2022 15:57:26 No.5259737 Report

Quoted By:

>>5259726
And also drag us away from a room with poison gas to avoid what happened with Daddy.

And for the girls, meet all of them.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UBr4B5/G Sun 08 May 2022 16:32:44 No.5259798 Report

Quoted By:

>>5259595
'kilometres'?

We use metric? Based.

>>5259598
>The griffin. A fine pet, fit for war.

A pet which is imprinted on us that allows us to survey the battlefield or escape assassination attempts is too good to pass up. Still, many of the others seem more practical on a day to day level, not to mention less hazardous to our health should we prove an unworthy master.

>Lady Dominica Bardanes.
>Talk to them all though, perhaps over an extended period to get a feel for all of them. If nothing else we'll make connections with each of the major families.

While the others are seemingly more useful in regards to managing or consulting in economic affairs, Dominica can probably help us navigate political and social affairs with her knowledge better. Plus, if what is said about her is true then I'm sure she'll find a way to get along with us and ease any sudden marriage difficulties.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:B8WkQ91q Sun 08 May 2022 16:47:55 No.5259815 Report

Quoted By:

>>5259598
>>The direwolf. It is the symbol of the empire after all.
>No, you shall await for better options.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:PNsklTXq Sun 08 May 2022 16:53:43 No.5259825 Report

Quoted By:

>>5259598
>The griffin. A fine pet, fit for war
>Talk to them all though, perhaps over an extended period to get a feel for all of them. If nothing else we'll make connections with each of the major families.

I favor Helena, but if Dominica proves true she might be a better option. And Irene should be invited purely to avoid spiting her family

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Rx0+7utS Sun 08 May 2022 17:10:06 No.5259850 Report

Quoted By:

>>5259598
>The griffin. A fine pet, fit for war.
Sorry, but the power of flight and the religious orders usage of them is enough to solidify this choice.
>Lady Helena Kurkuas.
if we want to revitalise the trade she's our best bet.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Dk4gdXT3 Sun 08 May 2022 19:39:34 No.5259994 Report

Quoted By:

>>5259598
>>The direwolf. It is the symbol of the empire after all.

It would be fitting for our character, shame no mastiffs though.

>>Lady Dominica Bardanes.
Its what we need the most after all these fuck ups, and I expect it will help with manpower issues as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Dk4gdXT3 Sun 08 May 2022 19:41:58 No.5259997 Report

Quoted By: >>5260689 >>5260729

>>5259692
He can't admit that he was wrong, all it boils down to.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:QkVs4ryr Sun 08 May 2022 20:02:38 No.5260018 Report

Quoted By:

>>5259598
>Helena Kurkuas (silk!)
>Direwolf (big doggy :))

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:YkhS8z2K Sun 08 May 2022 20:06:05 No.5260023 Report

Quoted By:

>>5259598
>The direwolf. It is the symbol of the empire after all.
I'm more of a dog person.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Sun 08 May 2022 20:10:10 No.5260028 Report

Quoted By:

>>5259598

I agree with pretty much >>5259663 everything this anon concluded.

>The direwolf. It is the symbol of the empire after all.

>Lady Helena Kurkuas.
>Lady Dominica Bardanes.
>Lady Irene Ingerinus.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TK9oGj81 Sun 08 May 2022 21:56:25 No.5260137 Report

Quoted By:

>>5259598#
>The direwolf. It is the symbol of the empire after all.

>Lady Dominica Bardanes.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:5C3NZcKs Sun 08 May 2022 23:41:53 No.5260208 Report

Quoted By:

>>5259598
>The direwolf. It is the symbol of the empire after all.

>No, you shall await for better options.
None of those three are pious so we are in trouble. Especially given our asceticism. Only a pious woman will put up with that kind of autism or a very ambitious one.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:gd7UYxWq Mon 09 May 2022 02:25:27 No.5260336 Report

Quoted By:

>>5259598
>The direwolf. It is the symbol of the empire after all.
Good doggo would have helped us in the coup attempt.

>Lady Helena Kurkuas.
>Lady Dominica Bardanes.
Pick two so that it is clear that we are not going to immediately marry one or the other. I hope...

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Qy5+NkD8 Mon 09 May 2022 03:15:39 No.5260405 Report

Quoted By: >>5260501 >>5260541 >>5260616

Direwolf voters, would you reconsider in light of the fact that the griffin gives our ruler flight in an otherwise flightless world?

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:HYeDnqJ0 Mon 09 May 2022 05:12:30 No.5260501 Report

Quoted By:

>>5260405
Griffins can't sniff.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:QkVs4ryr Mon 09 May 2022 05:51:08 No.5260541 Report

Quoted By:

>>5260405
Raised by wolves not raised by griffins ok :DDD

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:zsn0DIH2 Mon 09 May 2022 07:22:23 No.5260578 Report

Quoted By:

>>5259598
>>The direwolf. It is the symbol of the empire after all.
>Talk to them all though, perhaps over an extended period to get a feel for all of them. If nothing else we'll make connections with each of the major families.
Favoring Dominica for now. For once, the autism brigade has recognized our lack of support and is actively trying to fix it instead of doubling down like retards as they had been doing until now

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:p2k37YnC Mon 09 May 2022 08:09:16 No.5260596 Report

Quoted By:

I don't get it anons. If OP is letting us choose multiple options, why be singularly focused on one choice? Especially in this case where things aren't set in stone and there's no active downside to talking to all of them? I don't want to offend any of the houses by not talking to all of them.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Mon 09 May 2022 08:57:17 No.5260616 Report

Quoted By: >>5260662

>>5260405
I’m legitimately hoping to groom our heir as Holy Crusader, the griffin shall be for him. This is assuming that we’ll survive until we get a heir that is.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:1uGFN88D Mon 09 May 2022 10:24:49 No.5260662 Report

Quoted By:

>>5260616
Well some time passed.
Manuel has ruled by 1083, when he had 18 years, to now 1084. Idk when he has the birthday, but he will be 19.
I'll say we aren't doing too bad and from the quite dangerous start (dead father, assassinations, corrupt government, rebels ecc ..), we have created stability and the reforms we did are being currently done. Educating an heir should be more than achievable, while we do our duties and if a war doesn't start (lucenians/akeonians/magnates).
>the griffin shall be for him
I think if you want to give the heir a griffin is far better to just buy another egg, so that the chick bonds with our heir. The griffin creates a very strong bond with his master, more than anyone else. And we are getting this pet for us.
Besides is far cooler to be in two with it, we can make some private conversations/lessons with him in places away from the majority of people.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:mcp/jt/i Mon 09 May 2022 11:05:01 No.5260689 Report

Quoted By:

>>5259997

>I'm never wrong, plus I like menus when I'm choosing an option.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Mon 09 May 2022 12:46:23 No.5260729 Report

Quoted By: >>5260742 >>5260746

>>5259723
>Because that noble house usurped, killed and plotted her way to the position she was in?
But our Father’s noble house was a Saint, eh? Regardless, I don’t think marrying our MC to that noble house would’ve been bad, our heir’s position as Emperor would’ve been secured and our influence among the Senate and nobles would’ve improved quite considerably. Hell, just imagine if we did it instead of removing them from power, Uncle would have never reached the Capital with the World-Shield defending us from the interior.

>>5259997
That’s assuming self-awareness mate.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:mcp/jt/i Mon 09 May 2022 13:04:13 No.5260742 Report

Quoted By: >>5260781 >>5260894

>>5260729

The question isn't who is more amoral, but how much more likely they would be to dethrone us at the right time. Plus how much military power did the omnipotent noble house of the shield have? At most they would have sent a warning.

Seriously what I hate most is people pulling facts out of their ass to prove themselves right. Do you have any indication that they had any power to cancel the militia activation? Or that they knew about the plot? Or that they still exist? Or most important of all, how much longer are you and your wife going to cry because everyone else doesn't think like you do?

Seriously, I haven't seen someone cry this much over a past vote since 2016.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:cFlFWUKT Mon 09 May 2022 13:11:10 No.5260746 Report

Quoted By: >>5260781 >>5260801

>>5260729
>Uncle would have never reached the Capital with the World-Shield defending us from the interior.
You are really attached to that fantasy of yours, huh?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Mon 09 May 2022 13:43:28 No.5260781 Report

Quoted By: >>5260799 >>5260801

>>5260742
>The question isn't who is more amoral, but how much more likely they would be to dethrone us at the right time.
But why? Their heir would be on the throne in due time, all they’d really be doing is opening themselves up to being counter-usurped by either our family or a angry Issac, and for what? The only way they keep the throne is to keep us alive, and it’s not like we’d be passive in this relationship either.

>At most they would have sent a warning.
And held the forts leading up to the Capital. This would’ve torpedoed Uncle’s sneak attack plan, which would’ve allowed us breathing room to actually deal with him without massive casualties on our end.

Lol, touched a nerve there didn’t I?

>>5260746
It’s not a fantasy when you realize having control of key fortifications leading into the interior would’ve prevented Uncle from pulling off his coup. Like, how come we haven’t killed the commanders running the interior fortresses that let our Uncle just waltz right in? Doing nothing to prevent this coup should’ve resulted in immediate execution.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:mcp/jt/i Mon 09 May 2022 14:07:28 No.5260799 Report

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>>5260781

Because it would be easier for them to rule the Empire using our son. There wouldn't be a big battle or plot they'd just have to add a little extra spice to our bread.

The surprise attack would be stopped without a doubt right? Why do you think our dear uncle would ignore our wedding?

Obviously his plan would change, maybe he'll infiltrate those forts and destroy your precious family before attacking the capital. Because we're using a 100-sided dice system and that could be a possibility.

>Another possibility would be for you to accept that nothing you say will change the Quest and end the matter.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:gd7UYxWq Mon 09 May 2022 14:11:19 No.5260801 Report

Quoted By:

>>5260746
>>5260781
The marrying into the world shield family and the consequences of such an action are pure speculation at this point unless Newb steps in and declares what would have happened, but that would be giving us meta knowledge that our character has no way of knowing, so stop arguing about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:RPV8rzRD Mon 09 May 2022 15:30:26 No.5260894 Report

Quoted By: >>5260937

>>5260742
>Seriously what I hate most is people pulling facts out of their ass to prove themselves right.

You have absolutely no room to talk.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:mcp/jt/i Mon 09 May 2022 16:02:19 No.5260937 Report

Quoted By: >>5260978 >>5261027 >>5261051

>>5260894

>I can talk.

When I get something out of my ass, it works better than anything you guys can do. Like the cleaning of eunuchs, and middle terms to appease the nobles. Or the ones that would have worked but we live in a democracy, like the order to arrest our uncle or the recreation of imperial spies.

I pull solutions out of my ass and that is what makes me special, so far I haven't seen many of you pull useful things out of yours.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:zsn0DIH2 Mon 09 May 2022 16:29:34 No.5260978 Report

Quoted By: >>5260997

>>5260937
>When I get something out of my ass, it works better than anything you guys can do.
>it works better than anything you guys can do
>it works better
bro....imagine having this much lack of self-awareness

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:mcp/jt/i Mon 09 May 2022 16:38:40 No.5260997 Report

Quoted By: >>5261051 >>5261053

>>5260978

Fair enough, so tell me what are your contributions to be judging me?

After all you speak so properly about self-awareness, tell me with your immense wisdom how have you already helped us?

>Just out of curiosity.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:RPV8rzRD Mon 09 May 2022 17:12:18 No.5261027 Report

Quoted By: >>5261048 >>5261062 >>5261087

>>5260937
>pirates
>religious retardation
>pissing off nobles left and right
>hilarious militia idea

If it wasn't for this guy we might have died of boredom by now.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:mcp/jt/i Mon 09 May 2022 17:30:52 No.5261048 Report

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>>5261027

>Talking shit to me is fine, but please don't belittle QM's work she has better things to do with her life than tolerating someone saying her work is boring.

Have you figured out when our navy will be ready? Who I'm talking to is obviously not, at best five years, at worst ten. Tell me what will happen if a western nation invades in the middle of these five years?
I say the empire's last source of trade will be lost. But don't worry it's definitely not going to happen, that was definitely a stupid idea, by the way what are the chances of the sea mercenaries we'll have to recruit will be pirates anyway?

Is the religious way of life that gave us the victory in the battle for the capital retarded? Is the only political ally we have retarded? For the Shepherd's sake stop talking before someone finds out who is mentally handicapped.

Is the guy who spoke out against the chinese system and created the quotes to prevent an uprising, provoking the nobles? The guy who chose the possible Imperatris as traditional as possible, is provoking the nobility?

Yes the guy who wanted to avoid unnecessary casualties at a time when every body is precious is a stupid idea.

Seriously, is there anyone besides this individual who can criticize me before they say I bribed someone to do political propaganda for me?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:pGKzoddH Mon 09 May 2022 17:31:17 No.5261051 Report

Quoted By:

>>5260937
>>5260997
(Pro militia phonefag here)
Dude I really appreciate your ideas, but you are going down a spiral of retardation that would deem necessary a purge to save your soul.
Chill

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:zsn0DIH2 Mon 09 May 2022 17:32:23 No.5261053 Report

Quoted By: >>5261078 >>5261087

>>5260997
as i was reading along the thread every single vote i would have picked just kept on being proven right, while every other retarded choice you kept on picking has had horrible consequences, probably because you have aspergers and zero nuance in court politics. you keep getting hyperfixated on pointless pursuits such as "muh ascenticism" or your newest one: "why cant we just have a peasant militia" and every single time we have given you the benefit of the doubt, it has backfired massively

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Anonymous ID:cFlFWUKT Mon 09 May 2022 17:41:07 No.5261062 Report

Quoted By: >>5261087

I swear every time I enter this thread I see autists arguing who is the biggest autist among them.
>Muh pirate haven is going to solve all our problems
>Muh noble marriage would have saved us from the rebellion
>Muh barbarian/noble waifu is the best!

>>5261027
>We need to reform a deeply corrupt country that has a powerful nobility that is directly involved and is in fact the source of corruption
>Let's not piss off the nobles though
Hilarious. You and that "Noble marriage would instantly make nobles loyal"-anon should start a comedy duo.

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Anonymous ID:SsCpE+dD Mon 09 May 2022 17:54:26 No.5261071 Report

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>>5259598
>(Write in)
A giant tadpole. It will grow up into a giant frog that can eat people.

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Malignant Advisor ID:mcp/jt/i Mon 09 May 2022 18:07:36 No.5261078 Report

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>>5261053

If you've seen each vote then you've read that I specifically chose ascenticism with the inclusion of recreating the spies. I never vote by copying and pasting and I also don't thinkor that you are absolutely right every time.

But to say that militia debate has been resolved is being too disingenuous, the only things you said and that buying the weapons we already used would be expensive, and that the nobles commanding the units would feel loss of power. Besides you suggest using a weapon exotic as a sling as a miracle solution for everything.

I can mark the texts if you want and I will prove that I'm right.

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Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Mon 09 May 2022 18:15:52 No.5261087 Report

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>>5261078
>>5261053
>>5261027
You guys are still fucking going? You've been arguing for the past week and still have nothing to show for it. Why are you still doing it?

>>5261062
Everytime I thought it died somebody brings it up again and then the shitflinging continues. It was funny at first but now im actually amazed.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Mon 09 May 2022 21:20:15 No.5261317 Report

Quoted By: >>5261319

You cannot help but look upon the small shivering beast, still bearing its fangs at those it considers a threat.

“The direwolf, we shall have it. Parakoimomenos (one who sleeps nearby) Gallienus will provide you with pay for your service.” You say whilst taking the cage housing the terrified, yet valiant little beast. It reminds you of you, actually. Unaware of its surroundings, destined for greater things than it had ever imagined. Despite its fear, it still tries to scare you away with his growling, imposing in his mind no doubt, amusing to you as the rather high-pitched growling sounds more like a cat’s cries for attention.

I will have to think of name for you. You think with a smile as it attempts to bit your finger.
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The direwolf pup looks at you with suspicion as you place down a bowl full of choice pork cuts. Your bed chamber had seen better days, as the little bugger had proven himself quite energetic.

“Come on, you little coward, come out, come out, don’t you want this nice pork ?” You try to persuade the pup as it hides under your bed. Its been a few days now and the little thing still seems mistrustful of you, at the very least he no longer whines or growls when it sees you.

Slowly, carefully, measured step after another, it comes ever closer to the bowl.

Yes, come on out, good boy.

Suddenly, there’s a knock on the door. Jumping with fright, the pup scampers back to the comforting shadows of your bed.

“By Shepherds mercy.” You curse under your breath. “What is it ?” You call out rising to your feet.

“Your majesty, the ball had been prepared. All of the senators were invited as you instructed as part of new year’s celebration. Including the potential candidates that you had your eyes on.” Reports Gallienus. “The gathered senators and their families are waiting for your grace to begin the ball properly.”

“Excellent.” You say opening the door, your long purple cloak dragging behind you. “Prepare everything for our arrival. Also, inform the servants not to enter my bed chambers without my permission. The pup seems quite sensitive to strangers.”

“Most young are, your majesty, give it time and I have no doubt that he will grow it to a great beast.” Gallienus bows after a round of compliments and assurances.

Half-a-dozen Scholae Tagmata (School regiment/battalion) surround you, as always, ever since that day. A quartet of servants swarm around, adjusting your clothing, making sure your jewellery is spotless and pristine, the light make-up applied upon your face is also touched up. A most queer experience you have to admit, as you never before wore any make up, but apparently it is meant to make you look more divine, you would have declined, but you already treated upon established traditions enough.

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Mon 09 May 2022 21:21:17 No.5261319 Report

Quoted By: >>5261321

>>5261317

Carefully making your way towards the ballroom, as the sheer amount of clothing demands great attention so as to not ruin it, you finally reach a massive pair of door, two guards stand at each side and a servant awaiting to make announcements bows before you, needing no instructions to introduce you.

The large wooden doors, decorated by detailed carved out scenes of merrymaking, dancing, drinking, feasting and, other more intense activities, is slowly opened and the humdrum of hundreds of people becomes audible.

Staffs impact the marble floor, silencing every soul within. “His Imperial Majesty Manuel Angelus, first of his name, Imperator, Basileús kai Autokrátōr Thephaiōn (General, Sovereign and Autocrat of Thephians). Hail be to them !” The announcer proclaims.

“Hail be to them !” Respond the gathered masses.

“Senators, citizens, friends. Enjoy the new year’s celebrations as we remember the Shepherd’s ascension and enjoy the coming end of winter.” You proclaim rather blandly. Making exceptionally impressive speeches was never your expertise, but you think this should be good enough.

Looking around, you can take in the sights of the ballroom. Three whole floors turned into a single room, you could easily house close to a thousand here, and with only a few hundred it appears to be somewhat empty. Voices easily echo as hanging chandeliers above provide illumination so as to allow parties to continue late into the night. Marble floor is decorated by a mixture of silver, bronze, and gold, made out in patterns of man and a woman dancing, flowers of various colours caught by the whirlwind of their movement, painting a scene of endless chaos intermixed by harmony. Domes above you depict scenes of great feasts and balls. Merry and generous emperors celebrating weddings, victories, conquests. You note that on some, the paint had begun to grow dull, a sign for lack of maintenance for the once vibrant scenes, a shame you do not have the budget to restore the frescos. The walls are made of comforting and easy on the eyes darker wood, a sharp contrast to the colourful clothing of the gathered attendants, all whom wear bright and vibrant colours, the latest fashions, displays of wealth all stand ever brighter against the dark.

As you make you way down from the second-floor entrance, you are swarmed by your senators. Exchanging platitudes and empty praises, as you have no doubt that they mean nothing of what they say, you do not have the best relationship after all. Eventually, the first reason for your coming here approaches you alongside, based on his age, is no doubt her father.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Mon 09 May 2022 21:22:19 No.5261321 Report

Quoted By: >>5261323

>>5261319

“You majesty. It is a great honour to finally be able to converse with you properly.” A rather well-fed man with a deep voice says. “I am kyvernítis (governor) Iovivus Kurkuas of Movmetáxinisiá (Purple silk islands), by your grace.” He says with a glint in his eye. “And this here is my daughter Helena.” Proclaiming with some pride he allows his daughter to shine.

The woman appears to be slightly shorter than you, by a couple of centimetres at most. She keeps her waist length dark brown hair tied in a single braid that she rests over her shoulder. Her brown eyes shine with calculating intellect as she regards you like you are regarding her. Her over all body appears to be surprisingly fit and healthy, though you do not catch any musculature. Her breasts, whilst not tiny, appear to be on the smaller end, if you’d have to judge, perhaps a C or a B cup. Her over all skin tone appears to be darker than usual. Thephians are a people sporting olive skin tones, but hers appears to be slightly darker, clear exposure from the Sun had darkened skin that would have been considered fait otherwise, no doubt due to having to deal with merchants most of the day.

“My lady. A pleasure meeting you.” You say.

“I am honoured to meet you, your majesty.” She greets you with a proper bow. You also notice a strange accent to her speech, no doubt it appeared due to her knowledge of so many languages.

“Your majesty, it is great to make your acquittances.” Before you can reply someone speaks up. Turning towards the noise, you spot a paler looking man, with a long dark beard and bulging muscles under his fine clothes, decorated by furs over the silks and cloths preferred by other nobles. “I am kyvernítis (governor) Delmatius Ingerinus of Orospulón (east mountain), by your grace. And this, is my fine daughter Irene.” He says with smile.

For a moment you are confused by the man’s rudeness, but things become exceptionally clear when you catch Delmatius exchange a glare with Iovivus, both seemingly in competition.

“Your majesty.” A cold womanly voice brings you back from your distraction. “As my father had introduced, I am Irene Ingerinus, honoured to be in your presence.” She says.

“As I am too, my lady.” You respond whilst looking her over.

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Mon 09 May 2022 21:23:21 No.5261323 Report

Quoted By: >>5261345 >>5261376 >>5261391 >>5261435 >>5261444

>>5261321

She appears to be taller than you by at least five centimetres. Clear musculature can be seen under her dress. Her raven black hair is well-groomed but kept free without any further grooming as it hangs loosely reaching her shoulders. Her dark eyes make you shudder for a moment, a slight one that you can hide, but the look in her eyes disturbs you. Though looking strong, you do not think she could take on your bodyguards, but a city guard ? You cannot tell whom would win at a first glance. Pressing against the dress, her breasts appear to be around the size of DD. Her skin tone is unnaturally pale, sickly even, were it not for her clearly powerful body, you’d think she’d be ill.

You do not continue the conversation, as expectedly, another person joins in. “Your majesty, how good to see your august features. I am kyvernítis (governor) Nonnosus Bardanes of Chloerógi (Verdant land), by your grace.” Naturally sliding into the conversation, you see a man that has exceptionally well kept and looking hair, both on the head and the face. Twirling his moustache, he continues. “Seeing as how everyone is present, I’d like to introduce the flower of my house, Dominica.”

With exceptionally neat and practiced moves, the shorter by at least ten centimetres, woman bows. Her decorated chestnut hair reach to her waist, it must have taken her hours to have it look so beautifully. Her light brown eyes appear to be entirely neutral, you cannot get a read of her personality through gaze alone, your instincts telling you nothing. Her body is slim, but she appears to be a frail flower, incapable of defending herself as you spot hands unspoilt by any hard work. Her skin tone is pale, clearly, she had purposefully stayed indoors to ensure that the Sun would not darken her skin, thus maintaining the idea look of a noble lady. Her breasts are around the size of perhaps a C or a D cup. Whilst looking her over, you noticed that she had stealthily looked over the other women, but not their fathers.

Speaking of the fathers, the three men whilst wearing smiles are clearly hiding daggers behind their backs, figuratively, prepared to pounce the moment they see an opening.

What questions do you have for these fair ladies ? Their fathers ?

>(Write in)

An unrelated subject, but one that gives you far more enjoyment, the naming of the direwolf pup.

>(Write in)

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:vSe1EZ2q Mon 09 May 2022 21:41:52 No.5261345 Report

Quoted By: >>5261371 >>5261376 >>5261384 >>5261391 >>5261431 >>5261435 >>5261444 >>5261524

>>5261323
What questions do you have for these fair ladies ? Their fathers ?
>First let the daughters speak about themselves each while their fathers stand aside for a moment. (From first introduced to last, because first come first serve), while each being allowed to ask a question about us.
>After this we speak to the governers without the daughters about governer stuff and slowly ask some minor questions about their daughters.
An unrelated subject, but one that gives you far more enjoyment, the naming of the direwolf pup.
>Pistis (Greek for faithfull/faith)

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:vSe1EZ2q Mon 09 May 2022 21:56:57 No.5261371 Report

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>>5261345
During the introduction should be standard stuff: hobbies, talents, pets, anectodes and the like.

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Malignant Advisor ID:mcp/jt/i Mon 09 May 2022 21:59:10 No.5261376 Report

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>>5261323

What questions do you have for these fair ladies ?
>What are their favorite hobbies, what they know about us?And most importantly what they think about other girls?

Their fathers ?
>What are their opinions of our reform, and what do they think of the other two?

The naming of the direwolf pup:
>>5261345
Good name.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JHVVeCKq Mon 09 May 2022 22:05:52 No.5261384 Report

Quoted By: >>5261471

Dominica seems to be what would patch up most of our weaknesses but Helena would not be bad either.
>An unrelated subject, but one that gives you far more enjoyment, the naming of the direwolf pup.
>Remus
>>5261345
+1 this for questions

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EZ4+6D3i Mon 09 May 2022 22:18:52 No.5261391 Report

Quoted By: >>5261400

>>5261323
>>5261345
I support this, but would like to add after the suggested exchanges
>What sort of life ought a good empress lead?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:22qaplJZ Mon 09 May 2022 22:25:33 No.5261400 Report

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>>5261391
That question is meant for the daughters, by the way

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Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Mon 09 May 2022 23:07:28 No.5261431 Report

Quoted By: >>5261463

>>5261345
+1

Seeing them in the flesh actually brings to mind the genes of each woman that would be passed down to our heir. Intelligence with Helena, Strength and Physical Ability with Irene, and Diplomatic Charisma with Dominica. This does make Irene a more tempting choice, she would father children strong and hale enough to go Crusading.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UBr4B5/G Mon 09 May 2022 23:11:32 No.5261435 Report

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>>5261323
Supporting >>5261345 and all the others so far.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ni40xwDF Mon 09 May 2022 23:19:49 No.5261444 Report

Quoted By: >>5261471 >>5261524 >>5261931

>>5261323
my, their families must know eachother. I was thinking to also mention our cousins for future marriages, but they are clearly all after the main prize this night.
I think i have a few ideas. We should throw a few compliments and make questions connected, to their lands. Questions that put us in a good light.

>What questions do you have for these fair ladies ? Their fathers ?

Kurkuas
>Lady Helena, i am curious have you perhaps travel to the west in Rogarus, did you learn one or more of their languages ? And did the Tarrizans picture themselves as the honest and most gentle merchants of all the continent ?"
>"How are the islands faring, governor ? With our navy being restored to his glory, soon pirates and raiders will be removed from the sea, and trade should flourish again. Do you believe the akeonians or our western neighbours will use this oppurtunity ? Be for trade or war."

Ingerinus
>"Lady Irene, do you practice horse riding ? Your figure shows a certain dedication and commitment."
>"Governor, for now it seems those Lucenians pagans have been halted, but the magnates to the east are still quite active. Do you have any experiences with either of them ? Or perhaps war throphies, if they where fool enough to raid your lands ?"

Bardanes
>"Lady Dominica, what you think of the imperial court, in confront to the one of my father ? Did you already visit the capital ?"
>"Governor, i would like to ask do the roads create issues as it is ? i have heard and read that many of them, are in a deplorable state. Did you had problems in the past with the corrupt administration that i replaced, for ensure the main ones in your lands where in good conditions ?"

>>5261345
Also support, both for questions and direwolf pup name.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ni40xwDF Mon 09 May 2022 23:44:36 No.5261463 Report

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>>5261431
Their body can be a concern for future kids, yeah. Though there are many things to consider.
The church will be happy regardless, since we marry.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:RPV8rzRD Mon 09 May 2022 23:57:44 No.5261471 Report

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>>5261444
Support questions

>>5261384
Support name

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Anonymous ID:ni40xwDF Mon 09 May 2022 23:59:40 No.5261473 Report

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In fact, each of their families is in a part of the empire. One is more in the west, one is in the center and one is in the east. It's very likely they would be useful/help us more in the region they are.
Ingerinus for better deal against Magnates and Lucenians for example, or anyone coming from further east.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:gd7UYxWq Tue 10 May 2022 00:52:47 No.5261524 Report

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>>5261345
Supporting this.

>>5261444
Supporting the cousins idea for whoever we don't choose.

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Malignant Advisor ID:mcp/jt/i Tue 10 May 2022 12:15:37 No.5261931 Report

Quoted By: >>5261953

>>5261444

Aren't our cousins kids like five to fifteen at the most? This seems strange to me.

Not to mention that technically these kids lost their parents and their home because of us, (I know that's not what happened, but in a child's mind I don't doubt it looks that way). They have every right in the world to hate us, so marrying them to such important nobles doesn't seem like a good idea to me.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:1uGFN88D Tue 10 May 2022 13:09:39 No.5261953 Report

Quoted By: >>5262026 >>5262041

>>5261931
Talking about future marriages is not something that far fetched. At the end i didn't mention it, otherwise i would have write it and then place it in the Write in alongside the questions done to each family.

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Malignant Advisor ID:mcp/jt/i Tue 10 May 2022 14:42:20 No.5262026 Report

Quoted By: >>5262084

>>5261953

Got it, I apologize for not understanding that it was not a current proposal, but I leave the recommendation that marrying our remaining family is a goal that has to be done carefully.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:S1Wf1zxT Tue 10 May 2022 15:11:18 No.5262041 Report

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>>5261953
Then again, were betrothals in mediaeval society not frequently arranged at a young age, especially for girls?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:1uGFN88D Tue 10 May 2022 16:04:20 No.5262084 Report

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>>5262026
no problem. Sure we can think about it further on

>>5262041
usually, but for our case since we are currently even the patriarch of our family, we might want to wait ... more months ? See how our cousins internalize that their parents are all in a isolated island, with some monks. Or we can wait a few years.
Some of our cousins are teenagers, not just kids. Is a minor issue in comparison to others in our agenda, but is something we need to consider.
I imagine the educators/servants we have assigned to our cousins, will report to us their progress and behaviors.

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Wed 11 May 2022 14:11:04 No.5263120 Report

Quoted By: >>5263123

“Lady Helena.” You turn to the first lady introduced. “It would be only polite for us to inquire about yourself, first.”

“Of course, your majesty.” She responds with a smile. “I was always thought to be a fair and proper lady. With my father having to deal with merchants on a daily basis, he had decided to teach me basics of numbers and calculations. I had grown quite adept at it through the years of practice. I had also grown capable of easily distinguishing the true worth of any sorts of goods, due to the sheer number I had seen. I also enjoy travelling, learning new languages and meeting new people. Oh, I am also fond of swimming.” You realize that she has quite a powerful voice, even through the background noise, you can hear her clearly.

“Travelling, you say. Perhaps, our lady, you’ve travelled to the west ? To Rogarus ?” You question.

You watch as her face lights up at your inquiry. “Why yes, I have. Rogarus is a fascinating place, you could travel a village over and encounter a new culture. But due to that, I was unable to travel far inland. The local lords and kings are constantly at war, so involved in their petty conflicts that they make lives for merchants and travellers exceptionally difficult. I had noticed that despite the wars, each and every household had at least ten children. Quite surprising really, I think that is because of how golden their fields with wheat are.”

“What of the Tarrizans ? We had the pleasure of interacting with a merchant of theirs, whom claimed to be the most honourable people on the world, whilst our own merchants lambasted them as thieves and ne'er-do-wells.”

“Both of those are correct, from what I had observed. The Tarrizans are true friends to those they consider as such, but to their foes, no greater enemy upon the seas I could imagine. However, I had heard from some travellers that this friendship lasts for only as long as the Tarrizans consider one to be their equal, or better.”

“And their lessers ?”

“They tend to join the trade league lead by them, for their own protection, or so was said.”

Throughout your conversation, Lady Helena’s father had been smiling like a true fat cat, whom just caught himself a mouse. The others however, you have a hard time reading their facial expressions, whom as far as you can tell, due to your lack of social skill, appear to be calm and simply observant of the proceedings. The men had reigned in any emotions they may display.

“Lady Irene. We extend such questions to you as well, please, tell us about yourself.”

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Wed 11 May 2022 14:12:06 No.5263123 Report

Quoted By: >>5263124

>>5263120

With a bow, her expression unchanging, she begins. “I was born in the mountains, alongside the cold winds and harsh lands. As such, I had not seen too much sunlight, and when it presented itself, it was always colder than the one down in the valley. Due to that, my hobbies when growing were those of proper lady of the area. Sewing, embroidery and the like. But I found the most fun when my father had taken me out to a hunt. I found myself a natural when it came to killing things.” Her voice remains calm, entirely lacking of any intonation, you feel yourself lulled in a state of peace, but thanks to her words, the sleepiness is quickly banished. “During one of the hunts I had found a snow lion cub. She had grown to be a fine companion and assistant in hunts.”

“We had taken you for a horse rider, your figure showing certain dedication and commitment.”

“No, your majesty. The mountains allow for no such luxury. It is either giant rams, or in my case, lefkó is my ride.”

“It is spoken that you made the mines far more efficient wherever you went, may I know how ?”

“Oh, that is very simple, your majesty. Most slaves by nature are lazy. I had simply encouraged them to work harder. The freemen however, those I had to encourage with increased pay-outs for reaching certain quotas.” She states matter-of-factly.

You see that her father scratches his beard in satisfaction with her introduction.

“We see. And of you, lady Dominica ?”

Bowing, her hands on the sides of her dress as she lightly lifts it, making her look like a flower in bloom, she says. “Unlike these fine ladies around me, I had only received education fitting of a lady.” She says with a gentle smile, her voice, flowing like honey. You cannot help but feel entranced by its gentleness, especially when she gives a light giggle. For some reason, the two ladies next to her appear to be displeased by her words. “I grew up around the beautiful fields around our home, from birth I studied everything from dancing and etiquette to proper courtly functions and how to keep conversation.”

You cannot help but smile. “Speaking of the court, what do you think of it, my lady ? How is it compared to my father’s, assuming you had visited the capital before ?”

She continues her smile, quickly hiding it behind a fan, that you only now notice is in her hand. “It displays your pious devotion to the Shepherd, and of course the people of the empire.” You nod along with her words. “However, your majesty, if I may be so bold. The court shows your dedication, but how would barbarians view it ? Those faithless pagans in Lucenians, in particular.”

“What do you mean, my lady ?”

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Wed 11 May 2022 14:13:07 No.5263124 Report

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>>5263123

“Well, your majesty. Lucenian may not see it as a show of piety, instead, they could look upon it as a sign of weakness, a sign of lacking wealth. A most foolish perspective, but one that could cost us many lives. I had seen your father’s court, your majesty. It was resplendent, despite his desire to spend as little as possible. But it was lacking in spirit and sanctity, unlike your holy court.” She finishes.

Continuously twirling his moustache, Dominica’s father appears to be exceptionally proud.

“I shall think about it, our lady. Now then, to you all, we have a question. What sort of life ought a good empress lead ?”

You watch as Helena frowns, hard at thought. Irene remains inexpressive as usual. Dominica’s eyes smile from over her fan, which hides the rest of her face.

“One of astuteness. The woman manages the household, whilst the man manages everything else.” Says Helena. “To know how to ensure that every guest is greeted warmly, and that her husband may live without worry about his surroundings.”

“One of efficiency, to stand besides her husband and assist him with whatever matters he needs help with.” Irene decides.

“Why, a woman’s place is to do what her man desires for her to do. It is for the emperor to decide what a good empress is.” Tactfully Dominica responds.

“Thank you, our ladies.” With a nod, you dismiss the women, as you now have to attend to matters of the state, in disguise of a polite exchange with their fathers. You come to realize that further questions will only be returned with more platitudes.

“Now then, to the matters of state.”

“How are the islands faring, kyvernítis (governor)? With our navy being restored to its glory, soon pirates and raiders will be removed from the sea, and trade should flourish again. Do you believe the Akeoinians or our western neighbours will use this opportunity ? Be it for trade or war." You say turning to Iovivus.

“Very well, your majesty. The Tarrizans are almost continuously swarming out ports, wishing for an increase in silk production, so they could sell off more of it. Naturally, these request are always denied, lest the value of silk decrease, and those greedy men steal our secrets. As for our neighbours. Hmmm… Akeoinians so far are too busy squabbling amongst themselves, dividing their new lands.” He says with a dark expression on his face. “The other states so far are rather indifferent to your majesty’s naval efforts.”

"We see. Then about our border. For now it seems those Lucenians pagans have been halted, but the magnates to the east are still quite active. Do you have any experiences with either of them ? Or perhaps war trophies, if they were foolish enough to raid your lands ?" Now you ask Delmatius.

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Wed 11 May 2022 14:14:09 No.5263125 Report

Quoted By: >>5263128

>>5263124

“No, your majesty. Other than the merchants still coming and going as usual, I’ve received no word of any great happenings across the border. The rebels seem content to rule by themselves. At least that is what I heard for the longest time. Apparently, the Lucenians were not the only tribe to migrate across the border. The reason why the rebels are not threatening the empire is because they themselves are beset by pagans.”

“Concerning news. Can anything be done ?”

“Besides invading and bringing them back to the fold ? I do not know, your majesty.”

“Governor, we would like to ask if the roads create issues as they are ? We have heard and read that many of them are in a deplorable state. Did you have problems in the past with the corrupt administration that we replaced, for ensuring that the main ones in your lands were in good condition ?" Switching the subject, you ask the last man, Nonnosus.

“Oh, no, your majesty. The théma (placement, district) had been carefully managed and looked after. Our main road system is well-maintained and looked after. Occasionally, like any other man in my position, I had to use my own funds to help the théma deal with local crises. And I have no doubt that future kyvernítis will be able to do the exact same, without burdening the empire.” He says with a gentle smile.

Looking around at a cadre of men and women seeking your attention, you decide to ask a final set of questions, before the surrounding people get too restless.

“We had noticed that you all appear to be aware of one another. We are sure you have plenty of good things to say.”

“Of course, your majesty. It is only fitting for fellow men in the same line of work to know each other.” Responds Iovivus.

“We do so as to ensure the cohesion of the empire.” Nonnosus says.

“Otherwise, the senate meetings would be awfully boring.” Finishes Delmatius.

“Then for a final question we have. Our reforms, what are your thoughts about them.”

“Oh, we most assuredly approve, your majesty. The reforms are most definitely needed. We all have no doubt that your majesty will guide the empire to greater heights for years to come.” Only Nonnosus responds, as the other two men keep silent. “If your majesty ever requires ideas about further reforms, we, as the foremost of all of your loyal servants, would be more than happy to listen to them and offer our assistance.” Hands behind his back, he says.
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The rest of the party lasts to the early hours of the morning, the candles had been replaced more than five times by the time the last guest had retired to their quarters. You yourself had managed to get drunk, not that you were drinking heavily, but a hundred sips in greetings did their toll.

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Wed 11 May 2022 14:15:11 No.5263128 Report

>>5263125

You groggily rise from your bed, shivering as the warm beddings are stripped away.

Looking around the room, your head pounding, you suddenly notice something. A shape under the beddings with you.

Blood freezes in your veins, as you move your hand closer to the sheet, ripping it of you see.

>The toned body of Lady Irene

>The tanned skin of Lady Helena

>The soft body of Lady Dominica

>Your fluffy pet Pistis. Making you laugh as you had mistaken a collection of pillows and it for an actual person.

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Wed 11 May 2022 14:21:20 No.5263132 Report

Quoted By: >>5263157

Pistis in my native language means "To fuck", so excellent choice anons. Every time I write the name I chuckle like a fifteen year old.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:gd7UYxWq Wed 11 May 2022 14:30:49 No.5263142 Report

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>>5263128
>Your fluffy pet Pistis. Making you laugh as you had mistaken a collection of pillows and it for an actual person.
Each of the three women have their uses and require much autistic arguing amongst ourselves if we are to decide. So I vote to defer the decision to a later date. The fathers though, they seem vastly more useful. Competent men who are aware of the goings on of their domain, they would be of immense use if we could get all of them on side. Nonnosus especially, paying out of his own pocket to maintain the roads is a very commendable action that I doubt others would have done, that letch of an administrator for instance. Hey, we still have a job opening for that don't we?

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:mcp/jt/i Wed 11 May 2022 14:43:38 No.5263153 Report

Quoted By: >>5263427

>>5263128

>The soft body of Lady Dominica.

From the level of knowledge to competence, this seems to be the least wrong choice. To tell the truth I'm more interested in the father than the daughter, having someone who understands the importance of reforms can be valuable in changing the fate of the empire.
Also, we have to start producing heirs as soon as possible, but I won't lie at least none of the daughters seem to be bad choices.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:vSe1EZ2q Wed 11 May 2022 14:48:16 No.5263157 Report

Quoted By: >>5263162 >>5263186 >>5263248 >>5263497 >>5263521

>>5263128
>Your fluffy pet Pistis. Making you laugh as you had mistaken a collection of pillows and it for an actual person.
HOLDING HANDS BEFORE MARRIAGE!
I THINK NOT!
All jokes aside, this is not the way to get laid.
By the way I have thought about an idea.
Spend a day with each woman to get to know them.
Also a tax cut for well maintained roads may be a good idea. It highers the standard and gets a competition going. Only the highest placing districts are allowed this cut and get the title of "kalá diatiriméno" which means well maintained. It's a fun way to get a dickmeasuring contest started.
Another idea may be to form a new auxiliary force, which after 25 years of service get a plot of land and a small pension (we seized a lot of land, but we don't need that shit ourselves)
Normal soldiers get a plot of land and a small pension after 20 years.
The pension is mostly paid in livestock, like goats, chickens, pigs and cows. The higher the rank the larger the livestock amount (not the land this needs to be bought). Livestock can't be gambled away after all. It should really help create veteran villages/hamlets.

My favourite so far is Helena, because she's a statewoman who knows multiple languages and knows trade. (diplomacy and stewardship).

Irene is to much of a slave driver literally.
Dominica will probably manipulate us and make us our puppet. I also don't trust her father because he tries to get in our good graces, but we don't know him enough to trust him.
>>5263132
May I inquire which language, so I can how I made you and maybe others day?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:vSe1EZ2q Wed 11 May 2022 14:56:35 No.5263162 Report

Quoted By: >>5263169

>>5263157
Auxiliary also need to be paid less and are a good border force. It will also lower the strain on the levy system and keep people in the fields.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:vSe1EZ2q Wed 11 May 2022 14:59:49 No.5263169 Report

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>>5263162
Also focus the auxilia on mixed cohorts. They can be our fast response force and also a good holding force when needed. Also don't forget to put them on the other side of the empire and not near their home area. It's really a bad idea to let them stay in their home region.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:vSe1EZ2q Wed 11 May 2022 15:13:17 No.5263186 Report

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>>5263157
This also buys the loyalty of the army.
I hope that during coruption they got rid of the land grants and that now we can grant it. land in the hands of the many is better than in the hands of the embezling.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Zn0Mpp7U Wed 11 May 2022 15:23:34 No.5263202 Report

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>>5263128
>Your fluffy pet Pistis. Making you laugh as you had mistaken a collection of pillows and it for an actual person.

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Anonymous ID:Zn0Mpp7U Wed 11 May 2022 16:05:12 No.5263248 Report

Quoted By: >>5263249

>>5263157
>which language
Lithuanian
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pistis

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:vSe1EZ2q Wed 11 May 2022 16:09:44 No.5263249 Report

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>>5263248
Looks like we have another eurobro QM.

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Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Wed 11 May 2022 17:12:53 No.5263306 Report

Quoted By: >>5263340

>>5263128
>Oh Shepard, is that all three of them?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Mk8wxxdk Wed 11 May 2022 17:45:15 No.5263335 Report

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>>5263128
>>Your fluffy pet Pistis. Making you laugh as you had mistaken a collection of pillows and it for an actual person.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:0njTg+UW Wed 11 May 2022 17:55:17 No.5263340 Report

Quoted By: >>5263360 >>5263427

>>5263128

>The tanned skin of Lady Helena
Lets be real, we are socially awkward and weak, but we are pretty smart. Both of our heads together could devise pretty good things, besides she is not autistic like us and can handle a conversation from her interactions with merchants.
Her being good with accounts and documents would also help free some of our time reviewing documents in personally working on our weaknesses.
Her domain of languages and cultures will also work wonders with our foreign affairs.
As an added bonus, the cooperation of her father would ensure maximum efficiency of our hatchling navy. Dominica is an excellent conversationalist and court intrigue but she might glow too much in comparison to us, this can also be a pretty bad thing.
I personally find Helena (hot) to be the choice for both self growth and the betterment of our current projects.

>>5263306
I would love because its keky, but it invites pandemonium

Captcha: XXXHP its a sign

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Malignant Advisor ID:mcp/jt/i Wed 11 May 2022 18:20:11 No.5263360 Report

Quoted By: >>5263383

>>5263340

I agree that physically she is the most attractive, but what worries me is her father. He can help us a lot in his specialty but he will probably vehemently oppose our reforms, he couldn't even lie in front of the Emperor about how much he disapproved of them.

What do you think he's going to say when he's, figuratively speaking, holding our dick?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UBr4B5/G Wed 11 May 2022 18:38:15 No.5263381 Report

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>>5263128
>Your fluffy pet Pistis. Making you laugh as you had mistaken a collection of pillows and it for an actual person.

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Anonymous ID:0njTg+UW Wed 11 May 2022 18:38:46 No.5263383 Report

Quoted By: >>5263427

>>5263360
Fairly good argument but this would happen with any of the others; I would push that Helena has good potential to be her own person and put the interests of her dynasty as our wife first but thats an unknown.
With Dominica we would never really know, again she's really charismatic and would honestly would dominate the power dynamic by manipulating our autistic ass, she could even push things in the court beyond our knowledge, just like Irene would physically (dominate) coerce us into aligning with her point of view.
I will admit I am paranoid but she could really fuck us up, who is to say her education as a lady didn't include loyalty to her parent house above all.
I'm also pro money and having the isles patriarch as an ally would help us get funds

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:0njTg+UW Wed 11 May 2022 18:41:57 No.5263387 Report

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On another note, new thread time? We are on page 8 and at 1000+ reps

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Anonymous ID:UDoDrRL7 Wed 11 May 2022 18:50:18 No.5263396 Report

Quoted By:

>>5263128
>The tanned skin of Lady Helena
She is ultimately the most useful ally for use. I like Dominica, but her supposed lack of agency makes me mistrust her.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:SsCpE+dD Wed 11 May 2022 19:10:13 No.5263412 Report

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>>5263128
>Your fluffy pet Pistis. Making you laugh as you had mistaken a collection of pillows and it for an actual person.
No wedlock

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:3SI9EaN8 Wed 11 May 2022 19:14:15 No.5263417 Report

Quoted By: >>5263423 >>5263452

>>5263128
>The tanned skin of Lady Helena
Uhh I don't want to literally have screwed the pooch

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:vSe1EZ2q Wed 11 May 2022 19:28:12 No.5263423 Report

Quoted By: >>5263452

>>5263417
My friend we haven't banged the dog.

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Malignant Advisor ID:mcp/jt/i Wed 11 May 2022 19:30:50 No.5263427 Report

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>>5263383

Fair enough, I'll change my vote. But honestly the level of knowledge of the "Diplomatic" house is very useful.

We have to recruit our spies in addition to receiving some practical lessons in etiquette, this level of poor social ability is already becoming dangerous.

>>5263128
Changing my vote from:

>>5263153
To:
>>5263340

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Wed 11 May 2022 19:50:27 No.5263452 Report

Quoted By: >>5263524 >>5263728

>>5263417

>>5263423

>My friend we haven't banged the dog.

You have indeed, not become a furry. It is the opt out choice.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:HYeDnqJ0 Wed 11 May 2022 20:16:20 No.5263486 Report

Quoted By:

>>5263128
>Lady Helena

But you two fall asleep before you can bang so her maidenhead is still intact. How to prove to your coutiers though that's she's still pure. If we can't, make it the dog instead.

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Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Wed 11 May 2022 20:23:10 No.5263497 Report

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>>5263128
>Your fluffy pet Pistis. Making you laugh as you had mistaken a collection of pillows and it for an actual person.
No sex before marriage!

But I do favor Helena, either spend more time with her or with all three individually as >>5263157 said.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:p2k37YnC Wed 11 May 2022 20:36:21 No.5263521 Report

Quoted By: >>5263552

>>5263128
>>Your fluffy pet Pistis
Lets spend more time before we confirm. I prefer Dominica b/c I feel her social and political acuteness is something we sorely lack.

>>5263157
Supporting your road idea

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:jhD8dbx/ Wed 11 May 2022 20:37:22 No.5263523 Report

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>>5263128
>Oh Shepard, is that all three of them?
Just for the chaos and meme of it, it’d be hilarious for our choir boy to react to the lewdness and hedonism of the situation.
>If not three, the toned body of Lady Irene

Frankly we need an combat effective wife, one that will help us with the dirty politics of the court. Plus, the snow leopard pairs well with the direwolf, maybe we’ll create a new interesting crossbreed here.

Of course, Dominica definitely gives off Margaery Tyrell vibes, which would be useful. Plus, her father is the only one willing to play ball and help us with our reforms, so that benefit shouldn’t be understated.

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Malignant Advisor ID:mcp/jt/i Wed 11 May 2022 20:37:45 No.5263524 Report

Quoted By: >>5263531

>>5263452

QM what is the church's official position on premarital sex?

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Anonymous ID:onyby4JW Wed 11 May 2022 20:39:11 No.5263525 Report

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>>5263128
>Your fluffy pet Pistis.

I'm only voting for this because it has spoiled the vote.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Wed 11 May 2022 20:43:13 No.5263531 Report

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>>5263524

>QM what is the church's official position on premarital sex?

Frowned on, but if you marry the person you had sex with that's okay.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:B8WkQ91q Wed 11 May 2022 20:46:12 No.5263537 Report

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>>5263128
>The toned body of Lady Irene

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Anonymous ID:onyby4JW Wed 11 May 2022 20:55:45 No.5263552 Report

Quoted By:

>>5263521
>prefer Dominica b/c I feel her social and political acuteness is something we sorely lack.

Agreed, that's where my vote will be whenever we actually vote for it, beyond that we should be able to fix a lot of our manpower issues by strengthening ties with that family. I think we could also work to support their farming to help boost population all around. The father seems like a very competent man to build ties with as well.

In regards to the Auxiliary idea people are talking about, giving away our personal demesne is a bad idea, giving away land plots to soliders in conquered territory is a fine idea however.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ni40xwDF Wed 11 May 2022 20:56:54 No.5263553 Report

Quoted By: >>5263640

I think that on some level each are compatible with us. It could have been worse.
None are perfect, but each would allow us to have some help on certain issues.
But let's see some things.
- Their families don't like each other, they are in competition. Is not enough to fight directly, but they will do talks like we have seen here.
- The ladies really don't like eachother, i think even more than their own families. Is clear they want to be on the throne, and have their rivals not on it.
- They know about what we did, and have no doubt hear of how we work and make court. They might attempt to influence us but the same will happen to them. Any attempt at creating a puppet, would never be accepted by us and their demise would be quick and sure. Manuel hates the idea a lot, trying it again is dumb. No, they have good reasons to join what we are creating, but on our side at the top of the empire. No second or third place.
We have also some things in common with all 3 (not many), and we are... different from the usual people they see. Their answers about our empress question, are what they officially offer to us. Their bodies and the possible private talk this night, are the unofficial offers.
With their rivalry they have each good reasons to jump on us, even now, it doesn't matter for them if it makes a small scandal about going in the emperor room and wait for him (while our guards are just waiting for see if they do something against us. They would be a no danger if they passed, and with a clear intent to jump some of the courting and get close with us)
Also Dominica has no chill with Irene and Helena lol.

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Anonymous ID:5C3NZcKs Wed 11 May 2022 21:47:39 No.5263608 Report

Quoted By: >>5263712 >>5263774

>>5263128
>Your fluffy pet Pistis. Making you laugh as you had mistaken a collection of pillows and it for an actual person.

I have a feeling Irene is holding something back given her active lifestyle and aggressive demeanor along with her few hints. I want to interact with her again to see what it is she is hiding. Lady Dominica would be a disaster for someone as autistic as us and Lady Helena is a trap given how corrupt the nobles are and wealthy her family is. She looks TOO good but it will come back to bite us. Meaning there is absolutely something off about it. Most important she is RICH and used to be SPOILED. Our court maintains a minimum amount of fuss and upkeep. The only lady who is okay with that is Irene because she is a tomboy who loves to go out and hunt hence is used to roughing it, unlike the other two spoiled ladies. Our asceticism really bites us on the ass in terms of courtship options because nobles especially like their comforts. We got unlucky in that none of them are super pious. However, Irene is the only option who is specifically used to roughing it and has a more coarse demeanor so she will be the least annoyed by the lack of luxuries.

Fuck this is why I wanted to look for pious ladies instead. Our piousness, humbleness and penny pinching make it way too fucking hard to find a wife who isn't gonna wanna murder us ASAP once she has an heir to control and replace us with. Our lack of social graces will even ensure we won't even see it coming for our autistic ass. At least we found a tomboy who can rough it but damn if she doesn't have a mean streak cause of course we can't find someone great.

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Anonymous ID:5C3NZcKs Wed 11 May 2022 22:15:22 No.5263640 Report

Quoted By: >>5263647 >>5263712 >>5263774

>>5263553
These are the main following drawbacks

>Dominica
Political animal and spoiled typical noblewoman. We couldn't find a person we wouldn't clash more against and worse we will lose those clashes because she unlike us knows how to politic. If we weren't so...well us she would actually normally have been a great option but alas we are just too messed up and it would hence be suicidal.
>Helena
Not a political animal but more skilled in trade and stewardship. Except she is even wealthier and better in foreign affairs. At first, this seems good until you realize our asceticism and piousness will clash MASSIVELY with her. Not QUITE to the extent as Dominica but definitely up there. At first glance seems optimal because she can help us with trade and rulership the problem is we unironically sabotaged ourselves far too much to get along with her through our earlier choices. Hence she went from OPTIMAL to OH SHIT. Especially with our reforms and even with our attempts to improve trade route security. Unfortunately we fucked ourselves over too much for this to be a safe option.
>Irene
At first, glance seems to be the most dangerous given her fitness and rumors of cruelty. When taking a closer look however it is shown that not only is she the least spoiled and hence least to be annoyed by our pious and asceticism. She also shown to have a very pragmatic streak in how to entice improved performances and the ability to handle herself. Note how she answers to what a good empress must be like. None of the options referred to anything like piousness but she hints at greater ambitions and stresses being very pragmatic. As was proven by her ability to handle manpower. Normally I would say she would have been the least preferable option...but due to past player choices, she has the least reasons to be annoyed by the MC and is the most likely woman to survive childbirth.

Basically if anons didn't fuck ourselves over so much in terms of courtship our lover options would have been better(safer). Irene is the safest pick because choosing someone like Dominica or Helena is going to oppose and try to kill us because of our past actions. Obviously, the optimum choice would have been a pious tomboy but I don't think we can even find one of those. Irene despite her appearances has the least reasons to be hostile to the MC and is the most pragmatic woman as well the most likely to survive childbirth(VERY important in order to avoid stepmother trying to kill children who aren't her's syndrome). There are also hints that she is holding something back and concealing some stuff. So maybe next time we should maybe choose options that won't piss off potential courtship options and render them hostile to us and thus make them secretly stab us in the back as soon as its feasible to do so(aka once they have a heir to control).

I disagree that on some level they are all compatible with us. Two of the three will actively betray and try to kill us later on if chosen.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:onyby4JW Wed 11 May 2022 22:20:48 No.5263647 Report

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>>5263640
>I disagree that on some level they are all compatible with us. Two of the three will actively betray and try to kill us later on if chosen.

That is your opinion, not fact.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:zsn0DIH2 Wed 11 May 2022 23:16:38 No.5263712 Report

Quoted By: >>5263726 >>5263760 >>5263774 >>5263852

>>5263640
>>5263608
bros we don't have to deal with this. what Dominica said is unironically good advice:
>"Well, your majesty. Lucenians may not see it as a show of piety, instead, they could look upon it as a sign of weakness, a sign of lacking wealth. A most foolish perspective, but one that could cost us many lives."
I suggest we bring back a lot of the royal expenses, not up to the extent of how things were when our father left, but maybe at like a 50% capacity of what it used to be. It's obviously been a bad choice that hasn't worked out as well as we thought it would and a lot of our concerns would be solved if we brought it back.

>>5263128
for now, I think Helena complements us best, although we should really start thinking of ways to distract the nobility, as we keep on picking the choices that keep on alienating ourselves for them. SURELY there must be a way of either keeping them distracted from us or maintaining their idleness. For now, voting:
>The tanned skin of Lady Helena

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Anonymous ID:lAFdAb71 Wed 11 May 2022 23:30:03 No.5263725 Report

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We can vote a marriage normally, coomers can go fuck themselves
>Your fluffy pet Pistis. Making you laugh as you had mistaken a collection of pillows and it for an actual person.

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Anonymous ID:onyby4JW Wed 11 May 2022 23:30:42 No.5263726 Report

Quoted By: >>5263729 >>5263747 >>5263774

>>5263712
>what Dominica said is unironically good advice:

Obvious enough advice, that was freely given. I'm sure that she could do much more for us in a union.

In my opinion, the trader wife is a bit of a trap. It offers us a benefit that we already have, someone educated and good at administration. We really should diversify rather than double down on our specialty, we've repeatedly missed out on account of our lack of political and social ability.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:gd7UYxWq Wed 11 May 2022 23:32:28 No.5263728 Report

Quoted By: >>5264076

>>5263452
I hope that still means we get to make a decision on the three of them later, and we're not dropping them completely?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lAFdAb71 Wed 11 May 2022 23:33:17 No.5263729 Report

Quoted By: >>5263747

>>5263726
My thoughts exactly, we keep fucking over the nobility.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:zsn0DIH2 Wed 11 May 2022 23:50:40 No.5263747 Report

Quoted By: >>5263760

>>5263726
>>5263729
i mean by this point the QM is not only just hinting at it, he's just outright telling us. it be really stupid if we just kept on ignoring it. i propose that regardless of whatever empress we end up choosing, news of the wedding should be accompanied by a more lax reform on royal luxuries to mitigate the consequences done by whatever choice we end up picking in the end

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Zn0Mpp7U Thu 12 May 2022 00:07:31 No.5263760 Report

Quoted By: >>5263773 >>5263774 >>5263852

>>5263712
>>5263747
That's not a good advice. That's just a noble bitch disliking a lifestyle different from what she is accustomed to and using bullshit to justify her seething.
How the fuck would Lucenians know anything about our court when we don't know shit about them?
And why would they care? They are tribal barbarians. Do you really think they give a fuck about court proceedings and balls?
>bring back a lot of the royal expenses, not up to the extent of how things were when our father left, but maybe at like a 50% capacity of what it used to be
>a more lax reform on royal luxuries
Nobles and their corruption are the empire's main problem. The problem which won't be fixed by the emperor being an indecisive retard on every decision and not daring to upset factions.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:onyby4JW Thu 12 May 2022 00:24:58 No.5263773 Report

Quoted By: >>5264084

>>5263760
>That's just a noble bitch disliking a lifestyle different from what she is accustomed to and using bullshit to justify her seething.

Spit in the face of reality all you like, displays of wealth and power have always been a thing. Nevermind the Lucenians, all foreign courts will base their opinion on us by what we display, not our ledgers.

>some emperor, can't even afford more than one chambermaid

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Thu 12 May 2022 00:25:40 No.5263774 Report

Quoted By: >>5263795 >>5263852 >>5270534 >>5270576

>>5263608
>>5263640
You're overstating Manuel's asceticism imo, we're not living on bread and water. We may not be flaunting our wealth as much as we could but we still live an incredibly opulent lifestyle.

>>5263712
>>5263726
Kind of this >>5263760. I sincerely doubt that tribal pagans take notice that we went from diamonds and gold to gems and silver and, even if they did, that it translates to us being militarily weaker. And yes, the nobles are getting upset but that is necessary. The priviliges we removed were unjust and harmful to prosperity of the empire, what we need is to have them cut down to size whilst being vigilant of their schemes and maitaining stability to then enable the establishment of a new status quo.

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Malignant Advisor ID:mcp/jt/i Thu 12 May 2022 00:36:57 No.5263795 Report

Quoted By: >>5263829

>>5263774

>Do you know what would help a lot? A conquest campaign against these barbarians.

The nations to our west are busy with each other, to our east the rebels have their own problems with other tribes. If we hire a large enough mercenary army, we can conquer our only active enemy without having to worry about having to fight on two fronts at the same time.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:onyby4JW Thu 12 May 2022 01:12:33 No.5263829 Report

Quoted By: >>5264330

>>5263795
>If we hire a large enough mercenary army

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Anonymous ID:5C3NZcKs Thu 12 May 2022 01:27:21 No.5263852 Report

Quoted By: >>5263889

>>5263712
>>5263774
The problem is we cannot go back on the expenses because our asceticism is what got such strong support from the Church fanatics(who keep us from getting fucked over by the church's political animals and corruption) and commoners. It's just fucking us in the ass when it comes to dealing with the rich and going to keep doing so. Especially when it comes to courting because women hate cutting back on their luxuries. Who would have fucking thought?

I say this as someone who voted for it. I figured we could have gotten a pious wife given how much the church loves us who would have sucked it up. Anons don't want that which is very bad given our IC past choices. Rich bitches want luxuries ESPECIALLY if they are gonna be an EMPRESS. You can either find a pious enough woman who will put up with it, a lady who doesn't mind 'roughing it' so to speak, or an ambitious one who overrides her desires for creature comforts. Going for an overly spoiled noblewoman is a terrible terrible idea since they expect the full Empress luxurious experience. Which the MC is staunchly against. This means we are really barking up the wrong tree when it comes to courtship options.

>>5263760
Exactly. Going back on Asceticism will also piss off the Church our biggest and most powerful staunch backer. Whose only reason they haven't started fucking us over yet is because the zealots among them adore us. The more spoiled ladies are all going to be like that unless they don't mind roughing it or are suitably pious enough to go along with it or other reasons to go with it. She is merely the only one who has seethed at us and gave an excuse for it so far. So we need to avoid women who are clearly far too fond of their luxuries(which two of the three provided options are).

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:S1Wf1zxT Thu 12 May 2022 01:44:26 No.5263858 Report

Quoted By: >>5263891

>>5263128
>Your fluffy pet Pistis. Making you laugh as you had mistaken a collection of pillows and it for an actual person.
We shall revisit this issue at a later time. This is far from the end of the event chain, we've got them as Byzbook contacts and we may gain more options in time as well.
Frankly, I don't really want to deal with this at all. It's just going to be yet another thing on the flaming pile of autistic bickering and seethe that is every decision in this quest, no matter the outcome

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:onyby4JW Thu 12 May 2022 02:49:54 No.5263889 Report

Quoted By: >>5263906 >>5264106

>>5263852
The young tism emperor can of course learn from his mistakes, lets not forget that. Doubling down on a stupid idea does not make it any less stupid. Going a 180 and being overly decadent is not the answer, finding a middle ground is what is best.

We can't simply shit on the aristocracy nonstop, we have to work with them. In our realm and in dealing with foreigners. Being solely reliant on the church, or any single faction is a bad idea. Concerning the church, we've set a bad precedent in involving them in temporal affairs, and we've made them more powerful and influential. If we continue on that path, we're liable to set ourselves up for failure in the future.

We need to balance things, the aristocracy has been thoroughly thrashed so far, now it is time to reconcile and build our relationship up with them. We need them just as much as we need all the other parts of society, whether or not you are willing to see that.

Do we want them to start talking with the eastern magnates and connections they might have outside the empire about change? I'm sure that there are some enterprising merchants out there who would love to increase their profits.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:onyby4JW Thu 12 May 2022 02:52:24 No.5263891 Report

Quoted By: >>5263906

>>5263858
Honestly I'm disappointed that it's being dragged out. Never understood the waifu thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:cszapcnu Thu 12 May 2022 03:00:18 No.5263895 Report

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>>5263128
>Your fluffy pet Pistis. Making you laugh as you had mistaken a collection of pillows and it for an actual person.

No seduction here

Pious till the end

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:5C3NZcKs Thu 12 May 2022 03:10:59 No.5263906 Report

Quoted By: >>5263929 >>5263948 >>5264084

>>5263889
We need to throw the Church a bone to excuse the precedent for involving them in political affairs(see dispatching missionaries). So far we are only getting away with it because the zealots like us cause we are pious but we are so pious we also pissed off just about everyone else through our sheer autism.

I agree we do need to give the nobles a break. So far we never pushed too far but at the same time we never once stopped fucking with them this entire time. They are never going to like this Emperor but holy shit the least we can do is not try to get them to ALL fucking rebel on us at the same time. So we really should focus on something else instead. Like throwing the Church and military a bone.

I don't particularly mind the young tism emperor so long as we don't invite women into our bed who kill us for such stupidity. Since we are going the pious route don't invite a greedy wench who will murder us for it because she isn't compatible with it. I just want to invest in other allies. I know the nobles are out for this Emperor due to insane corruption and our personal background. Fine. We can hopefully make some other allies besides the Church.

I think we need to invest in our economy so we can also rebuild our military. Give the Church permission to send missionaries to pagan lands to gather intel, convert, and recruit allies. Our shipping is gradually being fixed with the navy but our economy is still high end luxuries based which is useless for the commoners. Especially since we are gonna miss out on such a great military opportunity since our military is just so weakened cause we simply cannot afford it. Best of all the nobles can't bitch at us for fixing the economy if we focus on the lower ends of the economy and ignore the high end corrupt economy own. Nobles won't care since there is no money in it and the reforms will keep them distracted.

>>5263891
I was hoping for more than 3 shitty options and you know an obvious Pious one cause seriously how did we NOT find a single goddamn pious lady? Fuck. Especially since now, I have to argue against them since waifu option #1 always has the advantage and will probably kill us because they are legitimately that awful. Even the #3 is the 'least' likely to kill you but that is...honestly still pretty shit. Given her obvious sadistic, ambitious, and violent tendencies. I mean fuck she is the least likely one to kill us it's so bad and I'm honestly impressed about that in a morbid way, to be honest. Like fuck if we played in more stereotypical way she would be the #1 to avoid candidate but in these circumstances, she is actually pretty good because we literally burned that many bridges lmao. I mean not my top pick but oh man did we mess up for her to become the safest one of the three.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:d8FJOSCB Thu 12 May 2022 03:37:11 No.5263929 Report

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>>5263906
You know anon, I think you are overrating just how untrustworthy these women are. The idea that Manuel's ascetic ways will lead his wife, necessarily, to plot his demise relies on your supposition that noble hedonism and treachery are strong enough motivators to overcome fear of the manifest dangers it would involve, in addition to any possible moral compunction. The gains for the putative empress simply do no seem sufficient to me to overcome the costs.

I think you are reading far, far too much into their characters. The text we have is insufficient for supporting your belief in so strong a clash of personalities.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:onyby4JW Thu 12 May 2022 04:11:08 No.5263948 Report

Quoted By: >>5264084

>>5263906
>We need to throw the Church a bone to excuse the precedent for involving them in political affairs

We have thrown them plenty enough bones so far, and that has nothing to do with the issue that we have created. The issue is that pandoras box has been opened, it may take a very long time for it to become a problem but I expect that it will.

>we also pissed off just about everyone else through our sheer autism.

And so, we need to dial it back. Simple as that. Like I said we don't need to do a 180, we need to strike a balance.

>So far we never pushed too far

I mean that's highly debatable, and if anything we need to throw the aristocracy and the military a bone. Let us not forget that the aristocracy and the military go hand in hand. Let's mend the division that we are creating before it's too late. It's all in your heads how we can never get along with the aristocracy, and you anons are making it reality.

>Since we are going the pious route don't invite a greedy wench who will murder us for it because she isn't compatible with it.

See? She gets to be empress and her children will have it made, why do you fixate on us just being murdered by this supposed woman? It's absurd.

Again, we need to diversify not double down on what we already have. We have support from the church, we have a talent for administration, what we need is a base of support in the aristocracy, someone that is skilled in areas that we are weak in, and manpower. Lady Dominica offers that.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:1uGFN88D Thu 12 May 2022 07:31:45 No.5264076 Report

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>>5263728
This decision is just for close the event, it's not like they vanish away lol. We didn't even start courting with them which is standard procedure, if we are interested in doing it.
Remember that we have made no promises of anything at the moment, and that we can just ask Gallienus for search for more wives if we want to.
And yes we can specify what we are searching to him.

Of course, this ladies can be far more direct if they are also interested in us and want to court us. So expect letters, or visits, maybe even gifts. Or all 3. This was just one feast at the end.

>>5263128
>>Your fluffy pet Pistis. Making you laugh as you had mistaken a collection of pillows and it for an actual person.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ZNslwnoX Thu 12 May 2022 07:43:03 No.5264084 Report

Quoted By: >>5264093 >>5264106 >>5264120 >>5264321

>>5263773
>reality
The reality is that only one of marriage candidates tried to manipulate the emperor with bullshit. The one candidate you are arguing for.
Instead of trying to solve every problem at once we should concentrate on what is the most important. If you run after two hares, you will catch neither. Right now we are busy with state apparatus and army/navy reforms. Matters which are hardly affected by foreign nations' opinions.
>>5263906
>we also pissed off just about everyone else through our sheer autism
Not really? We just annoyed nobles so far. I doubt army/navy or merchants give a damn about our piety or admin reforms. Except for Isaac maybe.
I think we are doing just fine so far. One faction loves us one faction dislikes us and the rest is neutral. It could be much worse.
>>5263948
Balance and diversifying is good but "dialing back" isn't. That is just gonna show that the emperor is indecisive. We can mend your great "division" without ggoing back on our decision and licking nobles' shoes.
>debatable
We were given a faction opinion insight by the QM earlier in this thread. Nobility is "Cowed, for the moment. Annoyed by your actions, but not outraged by them. As such, they may not support you, but they do not outright oppose you.".
The situation is less critical than what you are implying.
>She gets to be empress and her children will have it made
Right. And that is why there was never a royal spouse killing her husband to gain power.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Thu 12 May 2022 08:04:35 No.5264093 Report

Quoted By: >>5264098

>>5264084
Oh would you shut up about the ambitious husband killer meme. You keep crying and whining about something that hasn’t happened, and besides, these bitches are women, not ambitious assassins. Treat them right, and they won’t shank your ass. So stop y’all bitching about this political marriage, it ain’t gonna result in game over ya autists.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ZNslwnoX Thu 12 May 2022 08:12:52 No.5264098 Report

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>>5264093
This is simply hilarious considering your post history. You've been crying and whining here for weeks.
You are the biggest autist ITT. Stop projecting and embrace your true self.
>meme
Never happened in reality btw.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:zsn0DIH2 Thu 12 May 2022 08:22:48 No.5264106 Report

Quoted By: >>5264111

>>5264084
>Balance and diversifying is good but "dialing back" isn't. That is just gonna show that the emperor is indecisive.
nobody actually thinks this way. we've seen how much of a bad decision that was, with practically very minor benefits from it. it's not too late to learn from our mistakes and fix them.

>>5263889
>Doubling down on a stupid idea does not make it any less stupid. Going a 180 and being overly decadent is not the answer, finding a middle ground is what is best.
exactly my point. im not suggesting reverting back to how things were once but bring it back to a 50% capacity, which is the fair balance we're looking for.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ZNslwnoX Thu 12 May 2022 08:34:18 No.5264111 Report

Quoted By: >>5264143

>>5264106
>nobody actually thinks this way
Says who? I must have missed the moment when you polled the whole thread on their opinions.
>we've seen how much of a bad decision that was, with practically very minor benefits from it
The asceticism decision was aimed at lessening the amount of court intrigue and procedures giving the emperor more time to work on important things and it did just that.
What problems did it cause? One spoiled noble girl getting upset? Eastern barbarians who live in mudhuts in the middle of a forest starting to think less of the emperor? Terrible.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:1uGFN88D Thu 12 May 2022 08:43:05 No.5264120 Report

Quoted By: >>5264132 >>5264308

In regard to social skills, if we want to improve it we can find someone to teach us. Much like how we are improving our fighting skill currently with Armentarius It would take some time, but Manuel is someone dedicated so he would be able to learn. I would suggest Gallienus as a teacher, for begin to solidify further our relation with him. Or a new character.

>>5264084
I think both Mundus and Isaac, are starting to trust/like us a bit more than the start when we where a complete unknown.
They also had problems with not having enough men or funds at hand and the navy outright not having facilities for build/repair/maintain ships. And the conditions we found the military in general ... was kind of terrible. Definitely neglected.
The help we throwed has not go unoticed, if it did then they are blind.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ZNslwnoX Thu 12 May 2022 08:56:47 No.5264132 Report

Quoted By: >>5264153

>>5264120
I too would like to believe that other factions and strata are warming up to us but I think it's still to early to make any conclusions. Except for navy. Since it's effectively at zero right now I doubt they will start hating the emperor for rebuilding it no matter how well we do it.
In regards to Isaac I am cautiously optimistic. We didn't interact with him much and there is still army reform in the future that could upset him but honestly I am just happy that he isn't marching on the capital.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:zsn0DIH2 Thu 12 May 2022 09:03:36 No.5264143 Report

Quoted By: >>5264148

>>5264111
you CANT possibly be this delusional. QM has been practically hinting at how bad of a fuck up its been since taking that decision.
>What problems did it cause? One spoiled noble girl getting upset? Eastern barbarians who live in mudhuts in the middle of a forest starting to think less of the emperor? Terrible.
>>What problems did it cause?
>>>>What problems
you're honestly retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ZNslwnoX Thu 12 May 2022 09:10:40 No.5264148 Report

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>>5264143
State problems or fuck off.
Every decision is going to have it's positives and negatives. Asceticism was the most fitting for the character.
Just cause it upsets your favourite faction you don't have to keep crying about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:1uGFN88D Thu 12 May 2022 09:43:35 No.5264153 Report

Quoted By: >>5264172

>>5264132
Personally i believe they have some sympathy. At the very least we are working on issues that are a problem for them too. For any reform we could ask their opinion, see what ideas they have in mind.
Calling them for a military meeting is in our powers, and the situation is stable at the moment.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:RbR/zFnd Thu 12 May 2022 10:18:57 No.5264172 Report

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>>5264153
I mean, of course they are upset about the reforms. This is a game their families have been playing for a long time in their rivalries, but tough shit we are the emperor and we make the rules.
As long as we don't kick the table more they will eventually settle down, we could even work some of them into seeing that without the need to bribe the emperor and just educating their sons, they could easily outpace their rivals in wealth and influence. If they cant pass our exam they shouldn't be in their place to begin with, old statesmen should have absolutely no problem with the test

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:onyby4JW Thu 12 May 2022 14:10:32 No.5264308 Report

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>>5264120
>In regard to social skills, if we want to improve it we can find someone to teach us.

Like an exceptionally skilled wife, perhaps. Alongside our pet Eunuch I think it would be a potent combination.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:onyby4JW Thu 12 May 2022 14:24:35 No.5264321 Report

Quoted By: >>5264352 >>5264374

>>5264084
>The reality is that only one of marriage candidates tried to manipulate the emperor with bullshit.

Oh no, a socially skilled person engaged with us, they're manipulating us. Come on anon, they were all competing for our favor, they're not just going sit there like a spreadsheet.

>Instead of trying to solve every problem at once we should concentrate on what is the most important. If you run after two hares, you will catch neither

Improving our diplomatic abilities is very important at all stages, the reforms are rolling, and we have that under wraps. We're pissing people off, being able to smooth things over and then transition into dealing with other realms is going to be useful. By building our relationship with her family we will gain access to some of the manpower that they hoard, it will help with fixing our army.

>That is just gonna show that the emperor is indecisive. We can mend your great "division" without ggoing back on our decision and licking nobles' shoes.

Not true, it will show that with growth and experience the Emperor has learned to allow some things, like eating more than bread and water like some of you act like. And look, if you want to play a commie with all the noble hate that you espouse perhaps being an emperor isn't up your alley? We are at the top of the aristocratic pyramid. We are THE noble.

>muh black widow

So tiresome.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:mcp/jt/i Thu 12 May 2022 14:33:41 No.5264330 Report

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>>5263829

>Do we have a choice?

I don't think necromancy exists in this world, nor that clerics can summon people from the ground.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ZNslwnoX Thu 12 May 2022 14:49:29 No.5264352 Report

Quoted By: >>5264422

>>5264321
There is a difference between a conversation and a blatant manipulation.
The fact that she is so opposed to the emperor's way of life that she would choose to use the recent raid to manipulate him into changing it clearly shows just how incompatible that bitch is with Manuel.
Additionally she says that tribals are going to think less of an ascetic emperor. She is either so dumb that she doesn't know what she's talking about or she believes the emperor to be so dumb that he would buy her bullshit about high society barbarians.
You realise that all 3 of those women are nobles right? Marrying any of them would improve our standing with nobility and help us with manpower. Taking a worse long-term option to benefit short-term is stupid in our position.
>a commie with all the noble hate
ffs what an illiterate retard you are
Newsflash, imbecile: they are all nobles. Every single one of them. Did you miss that? Was the last update too large for you? Was my post too hard for you?
I have never argued against marrying a noble. I've argued against marrying one particular noble. The one that tried to bullshit the emperor out of petty reasons.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ZNslwnoX Thu 12 May 2022 15:04:11 No.5264374 Report

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>>5264321
Also where the fuck did you dumbasses get that whole "asceticism = bread and water" idea?
Here is the QM's description:
>Less and cheaper food, not so many servants, no more incense burning day and night.
That's it. Just cause there are no feasts every day doesn't mean that Manuel is fasting or sleeps on a hay bale.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:1uGFN88D Thu 12 May 2022 15:47:13 No.5264422 Report

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>>5264352
i don't' think Dominica actually know much about the societies outside the empire. She might be somewhat right in a general view, but Lucenians might just think about more wealth to raid if they hear our court is rich (they are tribes that invaded not too far ago the empire). For them our power is something more tangible like the amount of imperial soldiers they can see, or find ahead scouting before doing a raid.
Westerners kings/nobles would be a mixed bag since they have the faith of the Sherpard. They might care, or not, they can considers us more pious or maybe stingy.
What i am sure Dominica knows, is about the nobility and noble courts of the empire. At the same time though, the nobility of the empire doesn't seem all the same. There is a clear cultural difference from west, center and east.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Thu 12 May 2022 17:12:57 No.5264508 Report

Quoted By: >>5264528

Pistis (lol) 12

Helena 6

All three 2

Irene 1

Your chastity remains unviolated and untouched.

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Anonymous ID:QI1UaCe1 Thu 12 May 2022 17:34:50 No.5264528 Report

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>>5264508
damit how come I never get to SCORE!

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Thu 12 May 2022 20:08:29 No.5264647 Report

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Your fluffy pet Pistis ! The little bugger had sneaked up into your bed, seeking your body heat and the comfort of your beddings.

You chuckle, taking the sleepy ball of fur into your hands, he inches closer to your chest and begins to snuggle closer.

Having your fill, you put the pup down and instead begin dressing yourself, no court sessions, nor fancy balls, nor important meetings. Leaving your room, in the early morning, the usual assortment of your bodyguards already awaiting you, you head onwards to one of the courtyards, the one which you had chosen as the designated location for your daily training.

Arriving there, you find Armentarius already awaiting you. A selection of wooden swords and shields already prepared.

“Your majesty.” He says. “Today we will be trying to fight with a shield alongside the blade.”

“Does that mean I’ll get hit less ?” You say with a chuckle.

“No, your majesty.” Armentarius simply responds.
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With a loud thud you once more impact the floor. The swordsmanship training was harsh, but know Armentarius uses the shield to smash away your defences in a very aggressive fighting style, only pulling back at the last second. You’re certain that you would have more than bruises had he not expertly held his strength back.

“You are getting better, your majesty, but I’d encourage you to continue your training. Your technique is still unpolished, improvement is not immediate, but with steady progress and dedication, I have no doubt that you will master it in due time.”

“Dedication is what I always do best domestikos (domestic, commander). Be it to God, to the empire, or my own pursuit of betterment.” You say rising to your feet. It still hurts like hell, your muscles still ache, but it is…less. You are improving, slowly, but you are improving.
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Once more relaxing in the baths, you begin pondering about your current situation. The court is controlled, you had done so swiftly and efficiently, granted, it costed you in it being painful. The murmurings, the curses. Oh, the scandal you had raised ! But the fact of the matter is, the court cannot stop you, nor interfere with your ambitions.

The navy is on its way towards recovery. Not much else you can do other than wait, your reforms are on their way. The men of the navy, driven by your coin, will regard you as their greatest employer, the various captains see you as their only way towards redemption and normal life. Your ships, whilst non-existent, for now, are of poor quality and make, however, given enough time they too shall become prideful ships that will tear the waves.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Thu 12 May 2022 20:09:30 No.5264648 Report

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>>5264647

Your administrative reforms are on their way. The first group of examinees had already passed the exam and were officially interned as parts of imperial bureaucracy. What fate awaits them you do not know, but they shall soon be appointed to a myriad of positions. You already heard plenty of dissatisfied voices from those that failed their exams. They will be an issue if allowed to grab power, but for now, they should be too weak to deal anything else than numerous complaints. You’ve yet to push the divide between civil and martial, that will come in early summer, the traditional gathering time of the senate.

With this, you find yourself with plenty of time to start focusing on other matters of import:

>Reform the army.

>You are in debt; you will have to think of a way to solve this issue.

>You have to deal with the Lucenians.

>The Akeonians need to be ended.

>You cannot tolerate the eastern magnates.

>The overall infrastructure of the empire is in disrepair, perhaps you should focus on that ?

>You need to break the power of the nobility; they had been growing in strength too much and may one day pose a serious threat to you.

>Religious conflict has spread throughout the empire, heretics and the faithful are at peace for now, but it is a volcano ready to erupt.

>The dealings of cloak and daggers. You need spies, agents, anyone who can deal with issues quickly and silently. And you need to make sure they are loyal, the hardest part of all.

>Your bodyguards are devastated. Perhaps you should divert some state resources to ensure they regrow faster.

>(Write in)

And of course, there’s the matter of the personal. The three ladies around you, perhaps you should try to court them some more ?

>What questions would you have for them ? (Write in)

>Perhaps, a different environment will make them more willing to talk ? (Where)

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:o9wRVd/g Thu 12 May 2022 20:22:10 No.5264659 Report

Quoted By: >>5264677 >>5264706

>>5264648
>You are in debt; you will have to think of a way to solve this issue.
>The dealings of cloak and daggers. You need spies, agents, anyone who can deal with issues quickly and silently. And you need to make sure they are loyal, the hardest part of all.
>Your bodyguards are devastated. Perhaps you should divert some state resources to ensure they regrow faster.
>The overall infrastructure of the empire is in disrepair, perhaps you should focus on that ?

Let's make our own glowniggers boys

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:N+wcJDba Thu 12 May 2022 20:37:24 No.5264675 Report

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>>5264648

>The dealings of cloak and daggers. You need spies, agents, anyone who can deal with issues quickly and silently. And you need to make sure they are loyal, the hardest part of all.

Anons, compatriots, rivals and retards, as you all know I am a proud man, a pedantic man and above all boring. But today I come before you not to prove my superiority or my intelligence but to beg for your support; I do not say that this has to be the only choice, or that it is the most important problem at the moment, but I ask for a small part of your time to listen to my proposal:

Many of our problems come from our lack of useful information. Or from problems that we cannot resolve gently.

Our uncle's revolt could be prevented by a glass of poisoned wine, the barbarian invasion would do less damage if we had advance warning, the nobles wouldn't be such a problem if we had a way of knowing how they really feel. And above all, precious Imperial blood could be spared if we had other ways of cleaning up the political rot without creating a Civil War, or per knowing what our people need in the entire empire not just the opinion of the distinguished citizens of our capital.

I won't be disillusioned enough to say that restoring our eyes to the twilight will solve all these problems without fail, but if there's one chance they can solve such obstacles in our journey, why not give it a go?

>At least once consider that a loyal assassin's blade can save an empire.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Thu 12 May 2022 20:38:54 No.5264677 Report

Quoted By: >>5264685 >>5264706

>>5264659

One. At. A. Time.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:vSe1EZ2q Thu 12 May 2022 20:44:34 No.5264679 Report

Quoted By: >>5264685 >>5264717 >>5264784 >>5266493

>>5264648
>You are in debt; you will have to think of a way to solve this issue.
How about asking what our debtors want.
>The overall infrastructure of the empire is in disrepair, perhaps you should focus on that ?
Tax cut for well maintained roads may be a good idea. It highers the standard and gets a competition going. Only the highest placing districts are allowed this cut and get the title of "kalá diatiriméno" which means well maintained. It's a fun way to get a dickmeasuring contest started.
They have money and it's better for them to spend it on these projects to avoid paying taxes than having to force them to pay more.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UBr4B5/G Thu 12 May 2022 20:47:05 No.5264682 Report

Quoted By: >>5269184

>>5264648
Shall we start army reforms now, or soon or wait until our other reforms kick in and hopefully repair the state of the economy first?

Certainly defeating our uncle will have demonstrated our strength and put any would-be usurpers at bay for the moment, no need to break the nobility just yet.

However, we should still prepare for that day and shield ourselves against further treachery. Spies would make dealing with our other internal and religious issues easier as well.

>The dealings of cloak and daggers. You need spies, agents, anyone who can deal with issues quickly and silently. And you need to make sure they are loyal, the hardest part of all.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:vSe1EZ2q Thu 12 May 2022 20:48:12 No.5264685 Report

Quoted By: >>5264705

>>5264679
>>5264677
If it's only one at a time it's gonna be:
>The overall infrastructure of the empire is in disrepair, perhaps you should focus on that ?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:QI1UaCe1 Thu 12 May 2022 21:11:55 No.5264703 Report

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>>5264648
>The overall infrastructure of the empire is in disrepair, perhaps you should focus on that ?
Gonna be hard to send our soldiers out to the fields without roads. Also can't get taxes. Also helps the peasants a bit. Also doesn't require killing a lot of people.

>Perhaps, a different environment will make them more willing to talk ? (Where)
Talk to lady Helena by the docks. See what she actually knows in the concrete and what she'd be able to do for you. Away from her father, but chaperoned, of course, by your tagmata etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:vSe1EZ2q Thu 12 May 2022 21:15:16 No.5264705 Report

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>>5264685
I have no suggestions for the ladies.

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Anonymous ID:o9wRVd/g Thu 12 May 2022 21:15:23 No.5264706 Report

Quoted By: >>5264712

>>5264677
>>5264659
Sorry boss, it was hard to choose which one.

>The dealings of cloak and daggers. You need spies, agents, anyone who can deal with issues quickly and silently. And you need to make sure they are loyal, the hardest part of all.

Need to get glowies asap, keeping our ear on the ground for information is absolutely crucial for having a well-oiled OODA loop. First and foremost they are our eyes and ears; but on the hopefully seldom occasions wetwork needs to be done, they need to be good at Epsteining/Clintoning, making kills appear like accidents and suicides.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Thu 12 May 2022 21:15:48 No.5264708 Report

Quoted By: >>5264716 >>5264912

>>5264648
>Your bodyguards are devastated. Perhaps you should divert some state resources to ensure they regrow faster.
Needs to be done asap, before the other nobles smell the blood in the water. At least we can ensure they’re loyalty this time.

If it wouldn’t cause NewbQM to have an aneurysm, I’d like to do the cloak and dagger stuff at the same time. I think rebuilding our bodyguards will provide cover for screening loyal, talented, and experienced men, and would also simplify the interview process if we don’t have to do it twice.

>Perhaps, a different environment will make them more willing to talk ? (Garden)
I’d like to see what they are like without parental supervision, and I’d love to see the palace gardens. They shouldn’t have suffered from the funding cuts, considering the lack of wealth on display.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:o9wRVd/g Thu 12 May 2022 21:19:15 No.5264712 Report

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>>5264706
Plus we can use the glowies to keep an eye making sure money is being spent properly on infrastructure projects without a corrupt scumbag pocketing the funds

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:onyby4JW Thu 12 May 2022 21:21:30 No.5264714 Report

Quoted By: >>5264764

>>5264648
>The overall infrastructure of the empire is in disrepair, perhaps you should focus on that ?

Improved infrastructure means improved income, as well as the speed of communication and military forces being deployed.

>>What questions would you have for them ?
>>Perhaps, a different environment will make them more willing to talk ?

Lady Dominica, let's have a stroll in the gardens(which are in bad shape iirc) and ask her about her family and their lands. Perhaps she knows a little of agriculture considering her origins? I would say that we should try working on improving agricultural output everywhere that we can at some point, it would be nice to have some experts help us.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:o9wRVd/g Thu 12 May 2022 21:22:35 No.5264716 Report

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>>5264708
Support, the task of getting guards and glowies can be done at the same time. Spooks need to be already military trained anyway, and if we can trust them to guard us while sleeping, we can trust them to not become double agents. Why not just add espionage to the Schola's repertoire?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:onyby4JW Thu 12 May 2022 21:23:23 No.5264717 Report

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>>5264679
Not a bad idea at all, support

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:5C3NZcKs Thu 12 May 2022 21:37:07 No.5264731 Report

Quoted By: >>5264764

>>5264648
>The overall infrastructure of the empire is in disrepair, perhaps you should focus on that ?

>Perhaps, a different environment will make them more willing to talk ? (Where)
Take Lady Irene out on a hunt with our pets and guards. Bring up being pragmatic, faith, and probe her of her true intentions given what a marriage entails trust and alliance is required.

Take Lady Helena to the docks bring up the condition of roads, trade, faith, and piracy with our guards escorting us. Not sure how to bring up corruption and our...asceticism since we are not fond of excess luxuries. Which will no doubt be a massive deal breaker with her.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:LZIGaBUa Thu 12 May 2022 21:59:41 No.5264764 Report

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>>5264648
>The overall infrastructure of the empire is in disrepair, perhaps you should focus on that ?
Now we get to fixing up the fundament of the supply chain

If it's legal, these recommendations for each potential empress.
>>5264714
>>5264731

Also ask them about their relationships with their fathers and extended families, and about the character of those fathers and families. Ask about their personal faith in the Shepherd as well, emphasizing that sincerity in regards to this last question is what matters.

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Malignant Advisor ID:N+wcJDba Thu 12 May 2022 22:18:53 No.5264784 Report

Quoted By: >>5264791 >>5264795

>>5264679

I just want to point out that at the moment our army is in pieces, the armies of our enemies are not.

All these fixed roads will help the invaders more than us at the moment, they will need less time to reach the capital and the other big cities.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:onyby4JW Thu 12 May 2022 22:26:01 No.5264791 Report

Quoted By: >>5264845

>>5264784
You could also say it will allow us to focus our currently depleted forces on hotspots more efficiently. Further, an improved economy will help the replenishment and expansion of our army. Better infrastructure will also speed up this process on account of being able to communicate and move men and material faster.

Of course thats just military, improved infrastructure affects all facets of society.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:vSe1EZ2q Thu 12 May 2022 22:28:21 No.5264795 Report

Quoted By: >>5264845

>>5264784
My friend,
The barbarians just got back from a failed raid, won't be back in a while and practice asymetrical warfare.
The sepetarists are still fighting among themselves.
Better to have a system where we have the ability to rapidly response with limited resources than a bloated army which can't move about.

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Malignant Advisor ID:N+wcJDba Thu 12 May 2022 23:03:26 No.5264845 Report

Quoted By: >>5264853

>>5264791

>Improved infrastructure affects all facets of society.

And therein lies the worst of the dangers, I'm going to describe a scenario it doesn't mean that this is the rule, honestly it's more of an exception but it's still valid to think about it.

Imagine that you are the patriarch of the noble house that had most of its able men killed in the last barbarian incursion; which implies that the harvest will be worse this year in addition to the peasants being angry at the loss of their loved ones.

Now you think that you were counting on the salary of the public positions that your family traditionally had access to, to buy the necessary slaves to solve the labor problem. But guess what?
They don't exist anymore.
Your grandchildren simply relied on councilors to find out about the specific details of the problems that the emperor imposed on his tests. And to add salt to the wound, he says your taxes will be reduced if you spend the last workers you have mending roads that always form an imperial obligation.

>How would you feel? I give a hint, in the right to rebel.

I'm not saying that we have to stop the reforms, I'm saying that we are still going to split the governorship in two, and to apply this reform we would have to change the imperial tax code.

All these changes would take place in less than a year from the point of view of the characters within the world.

Despite good intentions, all these sudden changes can create a lot of enemies, that they are justified in hating us.

>>5264795

In addition to our problem with the army and the lack of bodies to be recruited, these will not magically appear because the roads have been fixed, in addition our economy depends on the export of luxury resources that come from the Islands. Not fixing the roads would make it easier for the barbarians to advance into our territory faster when summer arrives.

>In short, having a metaphorical thermometer to know how our changes would be accepted in the Empire, in addition to having reliable information about our situation would be much more practical than any road repair.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:onyby4JW Thu 12 May 2022 23:10:57 No.5264853 Report

Quoted By: >>5264873

>>5264845
Imagine being one of the loudest supporters in implementing the cause of those issues, and then trying to garner support by using the fallout of those decisions. I really don't care to interact with you.

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Malignant Advisor ID:N+wcJDba Thu 12 May 2022 23:24:17 No.5264873 Report

Quoted By: >>5264897

>>5264853

What does it have to do with me showing the nuance of your idea, with what I voted for before?

I left a possibility, which you, by your answer, did not take into account. Don't need all that salt, I
didn't say it's a bad idea either.

>It's just not the best option at the moment.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:B8WkQ91q Thu 12 May 2022 23:37:04 No.5264892 Report

Quoted By:

>>5264648
>>The overall infrastructure of the empire is in disrepair, perhaps you should focus on that ?
>You are in debt; you will have to think of a way to solve this issue.
>You cannot tolerate the eastern magnates.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:onyby4JW Thu 12 May 2022 23:39:24 No.5264897 Report

Quoted By: >>5264993

>>5264873
>admitting to being a schizo retard, but not making mistakes

I have acknowledged none of your points, favela monkey.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ni40xwDF Thu 12 May 2022 23:49:39 No.5264912 Report

Quoted By: >>5265569

>>5264708
I think there is only one option, the QM will do no negotiations. He has been clear.

>>5264648
>The dealings of cloak and daggers. You need spies, agents, anyone who can deal with issues quickly and silently. And you need to make sure they are loyal, the hardest part of all.

Clocks and daggers are quite needed. For pretty much anything, beside there is another layer of security around us meaning our imperial guard has some help. Which is nice because they deserve it.
I would like to reform the army, fix the infrastructure and get our guard ready again but we can do that later. One thing at a time. And also that debt.
Still the infrastructure is a valid option if it is voted and if it wins. It could distract people (more trade/movement), it creates no hostility (no one with a brain would bitch about better infrastructure) and it helps all in the empire, from vagabonds to high nobles. It helps us first of course.
I consider the cloaks and daggers important, but I know they need more time. Especially because our father left nothing of the previous ones, so it will take time to remake them no matter when we decide to do it.

>What questions would you have for them ? (Write in)
"Lady Helena, it was relaxing to walk with you. We have talked of your travels to the west, but what can you tell me of you ? I know about your family, and the trade that arrives in your land. I know about your hobbies. But I know there is more. What do you treasure the most in life, now that you know the true value of so many goods ?"

"Lady Irene, it was good to have you today alongside Lefkó. You were reserved at the feast. I would like to know why, and to know why you value efficiency above else. I value efficiency highly, it is important for the empire and so few realize it. At the same time I also value faith, and loyalty. Do you value them as much as efficiency ? A married couple can be considered a combination of the two, the Shepherd blessing and the vows of marriage. Do you think efficiency would also have a place in the life of a couple ?”

"Lady Dominica, it was a pleasure to be with you today. I have been curious though, you certainly know the nobility and the courts of the empire, but might I ask you what relation you have with Lady Helena and Irene ? Did you know eachother before ? And another question, you answered that an empress should support her husband, but what does that empress want ?"

>Perhaps, a different environment will make them more willing to talk ?
- Helena, beach walk. Fresh air, nobody around beside our guards.
- Irene, a hunt. Nature and adrenaline. In one of our private forests, our pets can see each other and we can see if our fighting skills can be put to test.
- Dominica, a grassfield near a small sanctuary to the Shepherd. Calm and holy.

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Anonymous ID:TK9oGj81 Fri 13 May 2022 00:01:30 No.5264929 Report

Quoted By:

For an empire to succeed it needs to spend blood and money.
We are lacking in both.

Some options stop the empire from sliding backwards from overt threats some from hidden.
I think that right now these options can wait. Overt was stopped; raid and the attack on our capital; and hidden pacified; we summoned but didn't kill the senate and the three most powerful nobles have a way to put their family in purple.

Some options fix ticking time bombs, but I also think that they can wait for now.

The option I think best right now is to advance.

>>5264648#
>The overall infrastructure of the empire is in disrepair, perhaps you should focus on that ?

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Malignant Advisor ID:N+wcJDba Fri 13 May 2022 01:12:16 No.5264993 Report

Quoted By: >>5265028 >>5265347

>>5264897

Just out of curiosity every human who has English as their native language, can only use one curse? Is it an unwritten rule?

I can't tell you guys apart because you all write like clones, with the magical powers of projection.

>Seriously and very ironic that a rape product of cousins, calls someone a monkey, and thinks he is humiliating someone.

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Anonymous ID:gd7UYxWq Fri 13 May 2022 01:20:59 No.5264998 Report

Quoted By: >>5265407 >>5266032 >>5266079

>>5264648
(This isn't a vote, just organising the issues in order of what I think is important)
>The overall infrastructure of the empire is in disrepair, perhaps you should focus on that ?
The most important issue. This affects a lot of other issues, such as the ability to move troops around, collect taxes, the amount of taxes we receive, etc. Basic stuff that will only drag down anything else we do.

>You are in debt; you will have to think of a way to solve this issue.
The next biggest issue. A good economy is worth nothing if some guys can demand their money back which we don't have.

>The dealings of cloak and daggers. You need spies, agents, anyone who can deal with issues quickly and silently. And you need to make sure they are loyal, the hardest part of all.
>Your bodyguards are devastated. Perhaps you should divert some state resources to ensure they regrow faster.
I kinda think these two can be combined. We need loyal men. If our bodyguards or our spies are disloyal, we're dead anyway, so why not combine the two? I really want my custodes

>Reform the army.
An obvious one. We can't even begin to consider dealing with foreign enemies without a strong army.

>You need to break the power of the nobility; they had been growing in strength too much and may one day pose a serious threat to you.
Should be obvious as to why this follows dealing with the army.
>You have to deal with the Lucenians.

>The Akeonians need to be ended.

>You cannot tolerate the eastern magnates.
Again, the reformed army is needed.

>Religious conflict has spread throughout the empire, heretics and the faithful are at peace for now, but it is a volcano ready to erupt.
We're holy enough we can probably recruit some faithful to help us in an emergency.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:gd7UYxWq Fri 13 May 2022 01:25:18 No.5264999 Report

Quoted By:

>>5264648
>The overall infrastructure of the empire is in disrepair, perhaps you should focus on that ?
And I'll vote this as our priority.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:onyby4JW Fri 13 May 2022 01:57:13 No.5265028 Report

Quoted By: >>5265901

>>5264993
>I can't tell you guys apart because you all write like clones, with the magical powers of projection.

The lack of awareness is stunning.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Mk8wxxdk Fri 13 May 2022 04:39:13 No.5265142 Report

Quoted By:

>>5264648
>>The overall infrastructure of the empire is in disrepair, perhaps you should focus on that ?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:bUPoGFTq Fri 13 May 2022 07:22:41 No.5265278 Report

Quoted By:

>The dealings of cloak and daggers. You need spies, agents, anyone who can deal with issues quickly and silently. And you need to make sure they are loyal, the hardest part of all.

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Anonymous ID:AutfIMoU Fri 13 May 2022 08:16:28 No.5265347 Report

Quoted By: >>5265901

>>5264993
Do you want a thesaurus?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:5C3NZcKs Fri 13 May 2022 08:57:00 No.5265407 Report

Quoted By: >>5265505 >>5265910

>>5264998
I more or less agree with this in terms of priority. I only considered infrastructure first because it will only keep fucking us over no matter what else we try to accomplish and it's a safe option that will piss off no one. Which is a really good thing considering how much we have been annoying the nobility this entire time. I would consider the bodyguards and spies a higher priority than the debt. Simply due to the increased shipping security, reforms, and infrastructure repairs should increase our income which should help cover it. We do need the debt fixed before we can try any large projects like reforming the army because that shit is really fucking expensive and not something we can accomplish while in debt. Although I would prefer maybe doing a bit more work on the economy first but honestly with the improved shipping security, infrastructure, and reforms it may not be a pressing need compared to starting some military reforms to get the ball rolling.
I would add giving permission to the Church to dispatch missionaries into pagan lands to excuse ourselves for using their Holy Knights to cover our own ass. The sooner we take care of that the better. Plus it literally costs us nothing but a written decree. We can even use the missionaries to help gather intel and recruit allies for future operations. It will also serve to distract the Church from internal affairs and make them focus on external affairs. Especially if we hint at preparing for future holy wars.
So far we are deemed holy enough to be able to tap into Church forces during an emergency but we warned about the consequences of this if we don't properly cover our own asses. It did literally save us during the coup attempt but the only reason it has yet to bite us(and will bite future Emperors) is due to how pious we are and the fact we lured out the fanatics to counterbalance the politicking and corruption within the church. This is why I want to excuse that...mishap by offering the Church an outside distraction and mission to prevent them from dabbling in internal affairs. Not to mention keep on being a pious Emperor in order to ensure the zealots are covering our back in the Church faction. As much as the nobles don't like our asceticism there is a reason why nobody has outright spoken up against it and can whisper about it among themselves. It's not worth drawing the wrath of the Church and commoners. Hell if we keep it up we might even be considered a Saint candidate which would be an amazing fuck you and assuming we keep doing a good job and are sufficiently holy. Basically, the Church is a double edged sword and ally even if it is our greatest ally and strong backing until we can gather others. It is also very restrictive in what we can do and behave like. On the plus side, it makes it very difficult for any non pagans to outright oppose us we are very devout, and pious makes us very annoying to oppose. Which given our weak starting position and character was vital.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:gd7UYxWq Fri 13 May 2022 09:50:05 No.5265505 Report

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>>5265407
If we live long enough to reform the army, one of the things I'd like to do is call a crusade to bring the Shepherd to Lucenians. Even if we don't manage to conquer all their lands, it should at least break their ability to attack us, and get rid of a whole load of zealots to boot.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:zsn0DIH2 Fri 13 May 2022 11:00:31 No.5265569 Report

Quoted By:

before going on another spending spree building infrastructure, we should pay off our debt. remember that we would be funding this while still paying off interest. it would be a mistake to borrow additional money without knowing if we can pay it back.
either way, the order of reforms should still be
spies -> debt -> infrastructure
since building up a spy network still takes a higher priority since its barely even been a year and we're still far away from being safe.

>>5264912
supporting both of these

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Fri 13 May 2022 16:38:07 No.5265901 Report

Quoted By:

>>5265028

I've read this message before.

>>5265347

Thanks for the guide, too bad it's not useful in this tread.

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Fri 13 May 2022 16:45:46 No.5265910 Report

Quoted By: >>5265935 >>5266412

>>5265407

>"You are in debt; you will have to think of a way to solve this issue."

How are we going to create a construction and renovation project at the level of dozens of cities, roads, forts and bridges; without money?

I'm not saying that we're going to have an increase in revenue, but currently the vault is at its last. And we already have a huge debt left by the last emperor.

Who are we going to ask for a loan of the size required?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Fri 13 May 2022 17:19:39 No.5265935 Report

Quoted By: >>5266123

>>5265910
Our rich in-laws, of course. Not an ideal solution, but serviceable.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:1uGFN88D Fri 13 May 2022 18:44:10 No.5266032 Report

Quoted By:

>>5264998
>so why not combine the two?
They require many different skills and long practice for each. Is better to trying something well done and tested in this case, and not overwork our men.
You need to see: elite guards on one side and assassins on the other.
In this age this are distinct roles, for different kinds of people. Our guards are valuable skilled soldiers with experience in combat both in and out of war, as well knowledge of tactics, fighting styles and how to use many weapons. Plus knowing procedures of the palace, and how to guard the emperor and imperial family, in different conditions/situations. All of this is already a lot.
They aren't people that go in the shadows, need to climb around, mask themselves, know different languages, know how to silently walk, different kind of poisons and how to make them, how to use small weapons and conceal them, how to use a group of civilians for escape, how to use methods for deliver messages/equipment in secret, how to write in a code in a normal book ecc ... just for name a few that cloaks and daggers need to learn and master.
Remember the strong reaction of our boy Arm to the pirates idea of that citizen ? Well assassins don't have a great rep either, they are necessary, but no great rep. Emperor guard ? Best rep+Best soldiers, you want to become one at one point in your life.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Fri 13 May 2022 19:22:51 No.5266079 Report

Quoted By: >>5268842

>>5264998
>>5264648
I agree with this order of issues but there's something important I'd like to know. A lot of this depend on how our revenue is right now, are we accumulating gold or are we still on a deficit? What loans do we need to pay besides the giant one? How high is the interest on those loans? If we're still at a loss, we'll need to cut more spending.

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Fri 13 May 2022 20:04:00 No.5266123 Report

Quoted By: >>5266258 >>5266310 >>5266315

>>5265935

Do you think our character will get married? From what I can see we're going to have to hold another six votes before that happens.

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Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Fri 13 May 2022 21:34:58 No.5266258 Report

Quoted By: >>5266296 >>5266310 >>5266347

>>5266123
Frankly I expect we’ll be playing as our usurper at this rate.

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Fri 13 May 2022 21:57:52 No.5266296 Report

Quoted By: >>5266310 >>5266347

>>5266258

>You know what's worse?

Remember the vote after the Battle of the Capital? I wanted to spare the members of the traitorous imperial bodyguards, because if we changed characters we would be able to use them to train a new guard.

Now a would-be usurper will have to destroy so much to seize the throne that one coup will likely destroy the Empire.

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Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Fri 13 May 2022 22:09:45 No.5266310 Report

Quoted By: >>5266325 >>5266361

>>5266123
>>5266296
You and that other anon are not helping. Preciso falar contigo na nossa lingua?

>>5266258
I just wish that anons would not start shitflinging like apes whenever a vote that they disagree with wins. There's no point in cluttering up the thread with useless insults besides mending egos.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:PmEe6/pz Fri 13 May 2022 22:17:35 No.5266315 Report

Quoted By: >>5266347 >>5266372 >>5266408

>>5266123
IMO the tism emperor ought to wait at least a year or two before marrying anyone. Right now, he lacks life experience, and additionally is socially awkward and physically weak.
We also ought to keep an eye on the direwolf. It may be raised in captivity, but it hasn’t been selectively bred for tens or hundreds of generations. I wouldn’t be surprised if it mauls us, our family (when we get one) or our guards.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ni40xwDF Fri 13 May 2022 22:25:38 No.5266325 Report

Quoted By: >>5266408

>>5266310
i agree with you desu. We aren't going that bad at the moment too. Could be worse lol

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ioUmwPEq Fri 13 May 2022 22:40:48 No.5266347 Report

Quoted By: >>5266382 >>5266408 >>5266514 >>5266656

>>5266258
There wasn't even a vote yet today and noblecucks are already crying I see. >>5266296
>wanted to spare the members of the traitorous imperial bodyguards
The most retarded idea in this whole thread. Making someone who tried to kill you into a bodyguard is retarded. Next time just write-in "the emperor has committed suicide".
>>5266315
>he lacks life experience, and additionally is socially awkward and physically weak.
What the fuck does that have to do with anything you autist? The marriage is for forging a bond with nobles, placating them and getting access to their manpower and money. What does "life experience" have to do with that?
>it mauls us, our family (when we get one) or our guards
So what do you propose? Put the beast down? What a waste of a vote that would be. Should we invest into inventing a hard hat in case a brick falls on us or members of our family?

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Fri 13 May 2022 22:49:47 No.5266361 Report

Quoted By: >>5266408

>>5266310

>Ae man!

You didn't understand correctly, I like our dear holy boy. But leaving no resources behind in the worst case is stupidity. Like dude I just said that you can't count on a possible usurper to finish the quest, seriously is like two messages on top of yours.

As for marriage, Bro for God's sake man, we have internal tensions, external invasions, an actively shrinking population, and guys are wasting their time with the joke option bro? I have no right to complain even a little bit? Other girls won't show up, hanging around won't help us either so the guy's decides to play a date game, the fuck?

>This is the evil of democracy!

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Fri 13 May 2022 22:54:46 No.5266372 Report

Quoted By: >>5267349

>>5266315

Hold on, it's not that bad either. Our boy was raised in the fields, his diet is surprisingly healthy, and now he is having regular military training.

He's not a bodybuilder but his body isn't weak, plus he's still only eighteen years old and surrounded by war veterans over twenty, hence the impression that he's weak.

>And bro, leave the dog alone.

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Fri 13 May 2022 23:00:57 No.5266382 Report

Quoted By: >>5266408 >>5266417

>>5266347

Wonderful, another one that was raised without education. I'm not crying I'm explaining myself, besides I didn't want to leave them in the palace, there's this concept called "exile" is where useful people go when they have some use in life.

Besides you leave out the fact that I voted to exterminate our uncle's noble house completely, don't confuse strategy with crying.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Fri 13 May 2022 23:16:33 No.5266408 Report

Quoted By: >>5266417 >>5266426

>>5266315
I wouldn't say he's socially awkward. I'd say he's socially ignorant, as evidenced by him missing that blatant insult towards Irene and Helena by Dominica. The wolf is still a pup, so as long as our protagonist takes the time to condition the dog, we should be fine.

>>5266325
Yes, we're doing pretty well all things considered.

>>5266347
Have a (You)

>>5266361
Tua coerência no inglês não está boa, revise tuas frases antes de postar se tu desejas ser entendido melhor. (You're talking weird, take your time with english)
>>5266382
Por que que tu insistes em responder todo insulto? (Why do you bite every bait?)

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:5C3NZcKs Fri 13 May 2022 23:19:10 No.5266412 Report

Quoted By: >>5266438

>>5265910
We are not building anything new just repairing shit so not very expensive(not to mention it was already brought up that local governors and nobles already help cover the costs for maintenance in their demesnes). It's something we can do that won't ruffle any feathers and will increase our income as well as boost the economy, ease troop movements, and more. It's a very safe option that will make EVERYTHING else easier without having it drag us down. Our troop movements. Trade. Everything vital. That along with our reforms and rebuilding the navy will make it clear we are a sincere and righteous ruler worthy of being loyal to. Which will be vital when we start rebuilding our intelligence apparatus and military. With renewed infrastructure, secured shipping routes, and reforms. Our income will quickly start to increase and enable us to pay off our debts. I personally would like to do more work on the economy but security comes first and we might as well let it benefit first from the better shipping, reforms, and infrastructure before seeing what else needs improving.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Ip1iiOx8 Fri 13 May 2022 23:20:48 No.5266417 Report

Quoted By: >>5266439 >>5266452

>>5266382
Leaving traitors alive is a terrible spit in the faces of those bodyguards who remained loyal. They've spilt their blood and laid down their lives to protect the emperor and then it turns out the emperor himself ain't mad at those traitors all that much. Next time they might decide that it is not worth it to fight for someone who is clearly suicidal.
Also every crime is followed by a punishment and everyone should be aware of that. Especially when the crime is an attempt at the emperor's life. To do otherwise is to weaken people's belief in the emperor and his jujgement.
And how would you control those exiles anyway? What would stop them from organizing into a raiding band? There were hundreds of them you know. Hundreds of trained elite killers. Would you sent hundreds of guards to ensure that they will stay good boys?
In conclusion this idea of sparing people who tried to kill you is retarded in every way. Even if the next emperor would be in dire need of bodyguards it would be retarded to hire people who tried to kill his predecessor via backstabbing.
>>5266408
Thanks?

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Fri 13 May 2022 23:28:53 No.5266426 Report

Quoted By: >>5266439

>>5266408

Because it's a lot of work to write it right every time, like this place isn't a job.

I answer them all because I like to play a game, can I piss them off more than they pissed me off?

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Fri 13 May 2022 23:36:10 No.5266438 Report

Quoted By: >>5266461 >>5266505

>>5266412

Interesting point, but infrastructure in an empire that was based on the Roman empire, in theory involves: Kilometers of roads, bridges, aqueducts, sewers and citadel walls, forts and border posts.

We don't know how much damage each of these structures has received over time, plus there's no way to fix everything, some of these things have to be built from scratch if they break.

>It is not that simple.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Fri 13 May 2022 23:36:15 No.5266439 Report

Quoted By: >>5266456 >>5266481

>>5266417
It wasn't a compliment lol.

>>5266426
>Because it's a lot of work to write it right every time, like this place isn't a job.
That's why I put an "if" there. If you want to be better understood, take your time. If not, don't.

>I answer them all because I like to play a game, can I piss them off more than they pissed me off?
You're not fucking with me are you? What a waste of time if not but you do you I guess.

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Fri 13 May 2022 23:42:56 No.5266452 Report

Quoted By: >>5266481

>>5266417

Good to know your opinion, but hundreds? where did that come from? Like, how many enemies died inside the Palace? In fact, just them, I'm not talking about any other group. I think a fort's garrison can guard twenty guys.

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Fri 13 May 2022 23:45:05 No.5266456 Report

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>>5266439

Fuck it's the grammar police, I demand my lawyer!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:5C3NZcKs Fri 13 May 2022 23:47:40 No.5266461 Report

Quoted By: >>5266482

>>5266438
QM never said anything about having to outright replace anything or build something entirely new. We also know the local governors and nobles have been helping cover the maintenance this entire time apparently so while it may fell into disrepair it was never outright destroyed. So it's not as expensive as it may appear. It would indeed be preferable to build new infrastructure but obviously, we cannot afford that. The best we can do is just fix the old. If it was impossible and too expensive to accomplish it would never have been provided as an option. We need it done regardless otherwise it's going to keep on penalizing us. Good roads are required for troop movements and trade. Both we need for income and security. No matter what we have to cough up for it sooner rather than later even with our debts so we can pay it off sooner and react faster toward threats. Not to mention it will make people like us and it's something that will piss off literally nobody. A great way to let things cool down.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:U/+u3H12 Sat 14 May 2022 00:03:29 No.5266481 Report

Quoted By: >>5266488

>>5266439
I didn't take it as a compliment. I was just thankful for the (You) that you decided to give me :^)
>>5266452
20 people would not be enough to replenish bodyguards for our succesor making the whole endeavor of keeping them alive for who knows how long not worth it. Hiring known traitors as your bodyguards is still retarded.
Since you didn't address any of my other points I am just going to assume that you can't refute them.
Case closed.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Sat 14 May 2022 00:03:54 No.5266482 Report

Quoted By: >>5266510

>>5266461

I hope you're correct, but I'm curious, do all nobles do that? Cover the maintenance out of their pocket, because if this is true, why is the infrastructure so devastated?

Also when we had the battle of the capital, we had several options but that didn't take away the chance of us losing the fight. So following this logic we have the chance to renew what is necessary, but it will not be a guarantee of success.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Sat 14 May 2022 00:10:01 No.5266488 Report

Quoted By: >>5266782

>>5266481

You can train a hundred men with twenty, they just need to teach the new recruits, They won't be part of the new regiment.

>Yes you are a winner, in fact you deserve a cookie for that. Good job boy!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:sfXatDJG Sat 14 May 2022 00:15:39 No.5266493 Report

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>>5264679
Support, based infrastructure anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ni40xwDF Sat 14 May 2022 00:23:06 No.5266505 Report

Quoted By: >>5266507 >>5266510 >>5266534

>>5266438
well at least the empire is far smaller than in the past. We should be able to work and repair the infrastructure. We can go with the easier parts and the move on the tasks that need more time, and thinking.
In the future we will probably need to repair all the damages done in the Magnates, or by Lucenians and Akeonians. Now that is a bigger task.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ni40xwDF Sat 14 May 2022 00:24:15 No.5266507 Report

Quoted By:

>>5266505
*and then

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:5C3NZcKs Sat 14 May 2022 00:28:52 No.5266510 Report

Quoted By:

>>5266482
Depends on how close it is to their estates and how good they are at governing. Plus how much they care. Obviously, if they were competent and not corrupt not all. None of it would have fallen into disrepair, to begin with. While infrastructure closer to the noble estates is no doubt in the best condition cause that is what the nobles themselves use and will make sure stays in good condition because of it. The real issue is going to be the more isolated and rural areas as well as the border regions which are regularly devastated by skirmishing and war. Even the more competent governors and caring nobles are going to have issues maintaining infrastructure in those areas. So those places are going to be the most annoying but also the most vital because that is where we can get the most manpower, economic growth, and key defenses from.

>>5266505
I'm more worried about the damage done in the border regions vs the isolated rural areas, to be frank. The isolated areas are simply due to lack of maintenance while the border regions it's due to active destruction and warfare. Even if we fix it without good enough security it's just gonna get wrecked again. Not to mention all our infrastructure is old as hell. Who knows when we can afford to actually build new ones. Given our sheer size it's gonna be expensive and time consuming not to mention a huge task.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K8WDtmlo Sat 14 May 2022 00:32:22 No.5266514 Report

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>>5266347
The emperor’s wife is a liability as much as she is an asset. She may try to deceive, manipulate or undermine him if it benefits her family. Therefore, the emperor must make sure that he is equipped to deal with such dangers before marrying.
Having the dog put down would make the emperor look indecisive and stupid, would probably break his heart and would be a minor waste of imperial resources. We ought to find a qualified and trustworthy consultant to advise us on raising and training the direwolf.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Sat 14 May 2022 00:49:50 No.5266534 Report

Quoted By: >>5266548

>>5266505

For these other lands to be a problem, we have to restore the army, pay off our debts, solve the problem of lack of men to replace our losses, and we have to recreate our information network in addition to recovering our personal guard.

Now that I wrote this, I can see that our biggest problem is the lack of people, do you know any way to increase our population in a practical way?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:5C3NZcKs Sat 14 May 2022 01:21:56 No.5266548 Report

Quoted By: >>5266552

>>5266534
Health.

Better food, medicine, and fitness. Boosts fertility. Fitter and healthier women are more likely to survive childbirth which is vital given our lack of technology and medicine. Strong women=strong babies. The more surviving mothers the more babies they can have. The men will need to make enough support, protect, and feed their larger families.

We need a healthier population across the board among both sexes. This means better food and more exercise. This means importing exotic crop seeds to increase the variety of crops/nutrients/rotations, domesticating new breeds of animals, and encouraging sports. Not to mention boosting the economy so people can afford good food and spare time/money to get healthy. Since we have unusual fantastical animal breeds that may also include plants and mushrooms. Something to look into.

To practically increase our population means encouraging fitness in both sexes and health. Hence sports which we can combine with combat and self protection training to increase the number of troop recruitments we can raise. Food can be increased via selective breeding, new crops/husbandry, and enriching the land via composting. Composting can also produce food via mushroom farming which can also produce medicine and food. A wider variety of crops and food sources reduces the danger of famine while providing a larger selection of nutrient sources.

Apparently, we have dire goats and likely pigs. Working together they can clear immense amounts of land. Also, goats will eat just about anything. Mushrooms are decomposers that make fertilizer and are edible and can produce medicine. Composting with mushrooms, bugs, and worms allows you to feed poultry that will churn the compost and fertilize your fields. Shellfish and fish can also be farmed once we dig out ponds and weave large nets which can also be easily fed.

Its time consuming but it's also possible to clear and convert barren lands into fertile ones via composting and using animals. Not to mention grazers that can be sheered, milked, and butchered. Healthy humans NEED animal fats and proteins. Veggies and carbs only are how you end up with stunted weaklings. There is a reason why big bulky barbarians are so much bigger and stronger(their diets are a LOT healthier). Contrary to popular media you don't NEED chemical fertilizers its just super fast, easy, and cheap but will deplete the soil of all micronutrients and provides empty calories(are bad mkay).

If we want good food for the people state sponsored selective animal breeding and seed projects that we sell to the farms at cost is the best option. We won't make money but the improved yields and health will make up for it in the long run. Agricultural and fertilizer research is also vital. We have the advantage of super fauna and flora which we should exploit the hell out of. Shit, I wouldn't be surprised if monster hunters were actual profession as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:5C3NZcKs Sat 14 May 2022 01:38:36 No.5266552 Report

Quoted By: >>5266981

>>5266548
That will fix our food problem. Yet it will require importing exotic seeds from afar and selective breeding them to grow well. Not to mention taming and breeding new animals. It is time consuming and frankly a process that won't make us much money(see we will be breaking even at best since the point is making it so it's widely available and cheap as possible).

The next part is medicines and fitness. With improved agriculture and health. People will be healthier. More medicines can be grown and harvested to treat people. With cheaper medicines, more people survive and recover. Can work more and children reach adulthood. More mothers survive childbirth. More research is done on better medicines and treatment. Better food is vital for staying healthy and fighting off illnesses. So growing medicinal herbs and mushrooms is also very important. It will be beneficial if we can somehow cut down the costs to do so as well. Not to mention SPICES. Spices are EXTREMELY profitable. There is number of herbs and mushrooms that are rich in flavor. This is where we can make our money and recoup our losses from growing and selling everything else at a loss to make it widespread as possible.

So keep in mind Royal Seeds and Livestock are sold for only Breeding and Seeding purposes. NOT consumption. That is for the farmers and ranchers who buy it from us. We handle the research in order to make sure the yields are better, more adaptable, and disease resistant. Except for famine and emergency relief of course. We want the IMPROVED seeds and livestock to be as widespread and cheap as possible. To be as commonly used as possible so people will be healthier and can afford to do more.

Next is fitness. We will need to encourage and sponsor sports. This can be folded into competitions, glory, and recruiting for the military. Make it a show. Make it honorable. Make it glorious. Make it for both men AND women. Since fitness is something for both sexes. This is trickier because people need to be able to afford better food to actually build muscle and have enough spare time to get into those sports. Not to mention to train properly. If done right we can trick people into preparing themselves for recruitment into our military and even competing for it via talent scouts for our own purposes.

Most important of all it makes them healthier, helps them work harder for longer, and if we can get women to join in better able to survive childbirth and give birth to strong babies. Basically pure win but this assumes we can make it affordable and glorious enough to do so. So anywhere from sprinting, wrestling, shooting, martial arts, sparring, lifting weights, rowing, ect. Needs to be encouraged and sponsored among our population. Yet this is only doable if they can eat well and have time to spare. Very important though. It can ensure a steady supply of skilled recruits and fit population as well as strong babies if done right.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Sat 14 May 2022 03:54:34 No.5266656 Report

Quoted By: >>5266782

>>5266347
I’m sorry for, but who are you again?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:cXMH8huR Sat 14 May 2022 07:01:06 No.5266782 Report

Quoted By: >>5266838 >>5266974

>>5266488
We have hundreds of loyal bodyguards who can train people just as well and do not require to be babysat by guards.
Sparing traitors is not worth it again.
Your idea is retarded again.
You ignored all the points that you can't argue against again.
>>5266656
No need to apologize. Just stop being such a whiny cuck all the time.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Sat 14 May 2022 08:44:57 No.5266838 Report

Quoted By: >>5266865

>>5266782
No, I mean who are you? Are you that cuck that keeps complaining and attacking the other anons expressing their thoughts? Can’t come up with a better counter-argument huh?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:cXMH8huR Sat 14 May 2022 09:28:19 No.5266865 Report

Quoted By: >>5266892

>>5266838
>Can’t come up with a better counter-argument huh?
Counter-argument for what? You didn't state anything. You just whine and complain.
>Are you that cuck that keeps complaining and attacking the other anons expressing their thoughts
Are you talking about yourself?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Sat 14 May 2022 09:59:36 No.5266892 Report

Quoted By: >>5266899

>>5266865
No, I’m pretty sure that’s you mate. You’re that one anon that keep whining and calling others cuck in lieu of an actual argument.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:cXMH8huR Sat 14 May 2022 10:13:12 No.5266899 Report

Quoted By: >>5266903 >>5266944

>>5266892
I can quote at least 5 instances of you whining and dreaming about an usurper bull coming and taking the empire from you.
You are a cuck. Simple as.
I didn't see any arguments from you but if you are so desperate to hear my opinion feel free to copy those "arguments" in your next reply and I promise to review them for you. :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Sat 14 May 2022 10:29:41 No.5266903 Report

Quoted By: >>5266910

>>5266899
lol, and I can’t remember a single instance of a non-shit argument from you. Maybe stop projecting so much and you’ll actually be memorable.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:cXMH8huR Sat 14 May 2022 10:42:38 No.5266910 Report

Quoted By: >>5266913 >>5266944

>>5266903
I have no desire to be recognized or remembered by some anonymous cuckold.
Why are you so ashamed of your fetish now all of a sudden? Were you not loudly calling for a stronger male who would be more fitting for the position of an emperor to take the empire? You realise your posts are still in this very thread and anyone can see them right?
Still no arguments in sight BTW. Guess there were none to begin with.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Sat 14 May 2022 10:51:06 No.5266913 Report

Quoted By: >>5266928

>>5266910
Sure Cuckanon, just keep on projecting if you want to remain butthurt for whatever reason.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:S1Wf1zxT Sat 14 May 2022 11:02:04 No.5266915 Report

Quoted By: >>5266922

They did it. They've actually devolved to just calling each other cucks. This argument has finally hit rock bottom.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Sat 14 May 2022 11:14:59 No.5266922 Report

Quoted By: >>5266928

>>5266915
>implying it was an argument to begin with

I honestly don’t know why he keeps complaining about anons in the first place, at least the other anons argue about the quest.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:cXMH8huR Sat 14 May 2022 11:29:03 No.5266928 Report

Quoted By: >>5266933

>>5266913
>>5266922
Illiterate AND a cuck? How low can you go?
It's hilarious how you plug your ears and just keep screaming "PROJECTION" instead of addressing anything I said though ngl.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Sat 14 May 2022 11:33:07 No.5266933 Report

Quoted By: >>5266949

>>5266928
I honestly don’t care enough to go though my posts to identify your malfunction, cuckanon, and you’ve really said nothing substantial that’s been worth addressing.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:onyby4JW Sat 14 May 2022 11:44:38 No.5266944 Report

Quoted By: >>5266949

>>5266899
>>5266910

The emperor is the beta male cuck actually. Scared of women, spergs out constantly, doesn't understand the world around him, is scared of good food, has a weak piss stream. You fags made him this way with your self insert fantasy I guess.

Really, it'd be the best for everyone if the tism emperor tripped and cracked his head open.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:cXMH8huR Sat 14 May 2022 12:00:11 No.5266949 Report

Quoted By:

>>5266933
>Y-you keep attacking me instead of addressing m-my arguments!!!
>what arguments? You didn't make any?
>H-heh! Y-you aren't worth my time!
k noblecuck
>>5266944
The cuck tag team to the rescue kek
I am sorry you can't self-insert as Manuel.
I am sorry you are so insecure that you see normal human interactions as autism and cuckoldry.
Get well soon noblecuck the second.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Sat 14 May 2022 12:43:26 No.5266974 Report

Quoted By: >>5267016

>>5266782

>"We."
The whole point of the conversation is that, this isn't about us.

>"babysat by guards."
Twenty guys in a frontier fort isn't a problem, especially if they're not alone there.

>"ignored all the points."
Says the guy who didn't understand until now that this isn't about the current reign.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Sat 14 May 2022 12:53:16 No.5266981 Report

Quoted By: >>5267016

>>5266552

Well that was a lot, a lot of good stuff too. Just a problem how are we going to do this without looking like we're using metagame? Like we don't have agronomic laboratories to study the effectiveness of different plants.

But about health I had an idea, we could create a university dedicated to the training of doctors with government support, ensuring that non-nobles can participate; with a caviar that we would give tax exemptions to all graduates of this academy, that works exclusively with public health.

And a reward system for scientific discoveries. Like one of these students discovered that an herb can help with ulcers, this individual would earn an appropriate crown reward for the time he spent studying it.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:cXMH8huR Sat 14 May 2022 13:50:10 No.5267016 Report

Quoted By: >>5267077 >>5267232 >>5267264 >>5267270

>>5266974
What can traitors do that loyalists can't?
What's so valuable about them that we should spend any resources on them at all?
What makes you think known traitors are going to be loyal to our succesor?
Will Malignant Advisor answer any of my questions directly or will he simply continue to repeat the same thing ad nauseam?
Stay tuned and find out.
>>5266981
Who is going to teach in that university?
Where will the money to build and supply it come from?
We have no money to improve imperial infrastructure but have enough to build a whole whooping university?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:onyby4JW Sat 14 May 2022 15:23:02 No.5267077 Report

Quoted By:

>>5267016
We pay in bananas, of course

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:boZjwmLc Sat 14 May 2022 17:52:25 No.5267232 Report

Quoted By:

>>5267016
For the infrastructure project we can depend on the governors to improve their roads in a competition and a tax cut for being among the best.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Sat 14 May 2022 18:19:18 No.5267264 Report

Quoted By:

>>5267016

Train the elite troops of a possible usurper, that wouldn't be on good terms with our LOYAL guard.

Military rations for twenty people are not an investment, besides they would be out there killing barbarians, not enjoying their pensions.

Because there is no guarantee that we will have a blood successor by the rhythm of the marriage attempt. Or the new ass on the throne will be related to us.

I would give a different answer if you asked a different question.

In. this episode our hero the Malignant Advisor found his biggest opponent, an individuated unable to understand the context of a conversation.

This will led him to become a chronic alcoholic due to his mental power. Follow the outcome of this dispute in the new episode of this series:
>I think this guy wants to fuck me.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Sat 14 May 2022 18:30:51 No.5267270 Report

Quoted By:

>>5267016

The doctors we already have, this is a Roman empire not the United States.

A building in the capital, in addition to the medicinal herbs that every monastery produces, is a school not a military barracks.

In addition its only one subject, a single building in the capital is more than enough. Depending on our charisma and the relative friendship with the patriarch, he could just give us the place.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:zsn0DIH2 Sat 14 May 2022 19:17:51 No.5267310 Report

Quoted By: >>5267403

QM plz update already, the thread keeps on getting more rancid by the minute

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Anonymous ID:l3eV4Pf3 Sat 14 May 2022 19:49:32 No.5267349 Report

Quoted By: >>5267360

>>5266372
>And bro, leave the dog alone.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:l3eV4Pf3 Sat 14 May 2022 20:01:34 No.5267360 Report

Quoted By: >>5267700

>>5267349
Jakking aside, wolves irl are known to be extremely difficult to raise in captivity. I imagine that, with direwolves, these difficulties and risks are several times greater. The boy emperor does not have the experience or capabilities to manage this task. Someone is going to die unless we get expert help for raising the direwolf.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sat 14 May 2022 21:05:47 No.5267403 Report

Quoted By:

>>5267310

Update tomorrow, I am currently busy in my preparations for exams. Already have 1645 words written out, probably will end up two to three times that at the end.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:l50sR93C Sat 14 May 2022 23:44:17 No.5267529 Report

Quoted By:

>>5264648
>You are in debt; you will have to think of a way to solve this issue.

We can recruit spies quickly - reorienting our economy will take time, so we need to set it in motion first.

Hopefully our administrative reforms will see a higher amount of tax revenue.

>Perhaps, a different environment will make them more willing to talk ? (Where)
On the Royal yacht (if we have one)

Just the women too, not their fathers.

But they can bring a guardian from their household

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fMeTG6+E Sun 15 May 2022 01:15:30 No.5267700 Report

Quoted By:

>>5267360
I agree with you on wolfs and wolfdogs being neurotic bastards thats why I would have preffered a mastiff but the direwolfs of this setting are fantasy-beasts like Game of Thrones, so I don't think we should use the same logic as we would with an IRL direwolf.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sun 15 May 2022 08:31:15 No.5268263 Report

Quoted By: >>5268265

You roll out the map upon your office’s desk. It is a symbol of imperial authority back in its heyday. A detailed map of its roads, aqueducts, ports, and waystations. A map now centuries out of date, carefully remade each and every time it is about to collapse so as to remove and add things to it. Ironically enough, the empire’s continuous and overall decline means that the infrastructure systems drawn before your eyes are still in use and unchanged, if a bit worse for wear.

To rebuild everything in front of you would be a task of a lifetime, expensive one too, an expense you cannot afford. You will have to make do with what you have, you shall repair what can be repaired, and note down everything in need of rebuilding. You also cannot rely on mere reports about the extent of damages done, as with your conversation with Nonnosus, you will have to verify his claims about his own maintenance upon the roads.

This does also bring you another idea. Kalá diatiriméno (well maintained) a new court title given to those kyvernítis (governor) that excel the most in the maintenance of the road network. And you figured how to ensure that you do not have to pay them salaries for this title. They will be granted tax exemptions instead. You play upon their sense of honour to make them perhaps spend even more than they would ever had if they paid their taxes.

“Kanikleiou (keeper of the imperial inkstand) !” You call out.

Opening the door, the old man steps inside with a bow. “You called, your majesty ?”

“We had. Gather those that had recently passed the exam, specifically the traders, have them be guarded by a detachment of our tagmata (regiment/battalion). Have them go up down the roads, have them overlook the infrastructure and report back to us. We want to know how exactly damaged and in need of repair everything is.” You command.

“I understand, your orders shall be carried out, your majesty.” He once again bows carrying out your decree.

You will be quite busy in the following days and months, just sorting out through the reports that will be trickling in, you can already imagine the headaches that will be caused by some angry local or another whom cannibalized a road to build their own home.
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NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sun 15 May 2022 08:32:16 No.5268265 Report

Quoted By: >>5268267

>>5268263

The grass is still dark and the chill still bites, but the snow had begun to melt. Later than usual, the past few winters had been colder than usual. You remember your mother fretting over the bad harvests, but you managed to survive through them, even if you had to have hunger for dinner. You cannot help but chuckle to yourself as you watch the bare trees in front of you. They stretch as far as your eyes can see, well put down brick lain walkways crisscross the garden, still green needles of the hedges are growing ever lighter with the coming days. As you walk, you notice a few buds beginning to sprout here and there, the gardens shall bloom soon in a myriad of vibrant colours. You wonder how it will look then. But for now, your attention is drawn by the centre piece of this part of the garden. The blooming flowers from the north, the lands of Erugians, once the northern most province of the empire, now lost, but the flowers stand as a symbol, a connection to those distant lands.

Blooming blood red, the flowers are a hardy breed, capable of surviving even the chill of winter, hardy as the people that live in those lands. The contrast of red upon the white snow, even as it is melting, is quite a dreamy sight, something right out of dramatic tale. A tale of love, a tale of loss, a tale of heroics, a tale of despair. Your musings come to a close as you spot the person you had invited to have a walk with you across your gardens.

“Your majesty.” The woman bows before you.

“Lady Helena. We are glad that you could come.” You reply with a smile.

“Of course, your majesty, it has been a great honour to be invited to converse with you.” She says, dressing in thick cloths to guard against the wind, her long flowing dress standing out as it is dyed bright yellow, with a thick woollen scarf, dyed red, around her neck.

“Then come, walk with us.” You say beginning to slowly meander. “How have you been these few days ?”

“I had been fine, your majesty . The capital is colder than the isles, so it takes a while of getting used to it.”

“And your father ? I hope the journey here had not treated him poorly.”

“Oh, he’s energetic as ever, your majesty.” The clanking of armour, the sound of your men walking a respectful distance behind you, echoes alongside her words.

“Had you only come with him ? Please excuse our ignorance, my lady, but we are not too familiar with the many houses of the empire.”

“I would never, your majesty. But, ah, I did not come with my brothers and mother, the eldest staying behind to overlook my father’s work while he’s away.”

“It sounds like you get along well with your family.”

“Of course I do, who doesn’t ?” She says with a laugh.

Laughter that dies quickly as she notices your silent, melancholic smile.

“I, I meant no insult, your majesty.”

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sun 15 May 2022 08:33:17 No.5268267 Report

Quoted By: >>5268268

>>5268265

“It is fine, we had not known our house for longer than a few mere days, hours, in some cases. But since we are on the topic of family, please indulge us. How usually is your family ?”

“Oh, well. My father is always running around, looking for great deals and robbing merchants blind whilst they smile and help him load up their own goods for him.” With the mood restored, she begins joking once more. “And whenever he is not doing that, he’s always busy having a row with my brothers. I swear, if I do not hear the sound of someone arguing I do not feel like I am home. Ah, I guess I should clarify, that they always argue in good faith, and always for the smallest of things, like what colour ribbons my mother should wear on her birthday.” She again chuckles.

As your small talk continues, you finally reach your over excessive silver carriage, already prepared for a journey towards the docks, as you had commanded.

“We had thought that you might enjoy the coast over a mere garden, we hope that you do not mind.”

“Not at all, your majesty. I always enjoy the noises of the docks, though not much the smell.” She again chuckles, you joining her this time.

Seating yourselves, the carriage begins to move and you watch as lady Helena regards you with a curious gaze.

“What is it, our lady ?”

“Please excuse me, your majesty, but you don’t look too comfortable. Am I upsetting you ?” She looks genuinely worried.

“Nothing of the sorts, my lady. We merely are still unused to sheer amount of wealth around us. When the golden carriage was brought out, you can imagine our surprise.” You respond to ease her worries. “Speaking of which, we had heard some murmurings, especially from lady Dominica about the state of my court. Our ideals of asceticism specifically. What do you think about it ?”

“Oh, well.” You see as she struggles to think of appropriate words. “It, it is different, to what I am used to, your majesty.”

“How so ?”

“Ummm, well, I suppose it is the lack of the smell of spice.” She laughs weakly. “I suppose I had gotten used to the burning of such foods, both on the tongue and the nose.”

“Ah, it seems we have arrived.” You state, cutting the conversation before it can turn awkward.

The door is quickly opened as you step outside, your bodyguards forming a circle around you, extending your hand, you help lady Helena out of the carriage as shouts of “Hail the Emperor” and “Long live the Empire” can be heard from the commoners.

“You had desired for bustle, and you had received it.” You joke.

“That I have, your majesty.” She replies, equally amused.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sun 15 May 2022 08:34:28 No.5268268 Report

Quoted By: >>5268269

>>5268267

You spend a solid hour, simply walking the harbour, allowing Helena to lead the way as her curiosity is drawn by one merchant or another. With a smirk on your face you also watch as she haggles fiercer than any old lady you remember during market day back at home. Around halfway point, she had already exposed inferior goods of half-a-dozen merchants, whom then proceeded to quickly pack up and disappear, lest you decide to punish them for their minor failures of character.

“It seems trade comes naturally for you, our lady.”

“Being raised around merchants tends to do that for one.”

“Then allow us to ask, our lady. What are your thoughts about trade within the empire ?”

“I suppose it is fine.” She says after pondering for a moment. “Though as of late more food shipments had come in than out. The trade of purple dyes is at an all time high and the Tarrizans continuously demand an increase in silk production.” Her expression turns dark at that. “Exceptionally so, in fact. Their republic is still reeling from their wars, no doubt being able to sell more silk will help them with their situation. Father is not worried, he’s far too concerned dealing with Akeoinians and their constant raids, with the naval reconstruction, of which we are very thankful, your majesty, he believes that any demands can be refuted from any barbarian.”

“Those news are concerning, if your intuition is right, but speaking of threats, how are the pirates ? We had heard reports that they are a problem when it comes to shipping and trade.”

“They would continuously harass the smaller isles, giving my father no end of anger and worry thinking on how to deal with them, but their activity had decreased as of late.”

“That is good to hear.” You say taking step after step, moving away from the docks themselves and closer to the beach.

Eventually, the coarse sand is beneath your feet, making the movement quite annoying for you, but Helena seems to be able to move as graceful as ever.

With a giggle, she says. “You seem to be struggling, your majesty.”

“Yes, this is the first time we are walking upon so much sand.” You reply with a nervous smile, watching the endless waves wash upon the beach. Like most people from your village, you know not how to swim, and the endless ocean, swallowed by the horizon brings you both a sense of awe and dread.

“Heh, then how about we move onto another topic, walking here reminds me of my current task, that maybe we should lay down a road here as well. How are they in your lands ?”

“The roads ? I wouldn’t know your majesty. Other than footpaths leading deeper into the isles we have none. Most people come and go around the port cities rather than move in deeper into the isle.”

“And of the mainland ? Rogarus ? I’m sure you have some thoughts about them with your sharp mind.”

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sun 15 May 2022 08:35:30 No.5268269 Report

Quoted By: >>5268271

>>5268268

“They are important, that is something I learnt on my travels, that is, if you wish to go deeper inland. The better the road, the more merchants will travel them. Upon Rogarus especially, by God was it annoying to travel inland. Every mayor and petty lord would have tolls for their lands, discouraging most but the most desperate or well-connected of the merchants.”

“So most of the trade that you do with them is done simply in the ports ?”

“Yes, most merchants prefer to ply their trades upon port cities rather than move inland.”

“Since we are speaking about the foreigners, how about their faith ? We know that most upon Rogarus are heretics, does that stop you and your father from trade, does it cause issues ?”

“Oh, no, your majesty, to trade across the world, one must be able to put aside their differences. I believe in God, I believe in the Shepherd, so does everyone else as well within my family. But I suppose that I must disappoint you. We are not zealots, as we simply cannot be if we desire to maintain our wealth the prosperity of the isles.”

You continue to converse with her about minor topics, swaying away from conversations of import, so as not to bore your partner about serious matters of state, eventually, you walk such a distance that Myralos is upon the horizon, and the Sun is slowly beginning to set.

"Lady Helena, it was relaxing to walk with you. We have talked of your travels to the west, but what can you tell us of you ? We know about your family, and the trade that arrives in your lands. We know about your hobbies. But we know there is more. What do you treasure the most in life, now that you know the true value of so many goods ?" You ask perhaps the last questions of the day.

“What do I treasure ?” She repeats, wrinkling her face. “I guess I had never thought about it. My life had been good enough, plentiful enough, and perhaps hectic enough for me to never have to consider such a question.” You wait in silence as her eyes begin darting back and forth, clearly trying to recall her memories. “If I had to choose, the thing that I await the most after my journeys and travels, my family.” She finally says with a smile.
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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sun 15 May 2022 08:36:31 No.5268271 Report

Quoted By: >>5268273

>>5268269

The initial reports had begun to filter in. It is something that you could only describe as a mess. A road in one théma (placement, district) would be on the verge of ruin, weeds spouting through the cracks, entire sections of the road missing, hell bandits are a credible threat ! Upon the imperial roadway ! Unimaginable. Luckily, the bodyguards you had dispatched dealt with them with ease, but it is still concerning issue. And then, at the border of the next théma, the road would be just like the day it was first finished. Bricks gleaming as the Sun shines upon their perfect surface, untouched by the passing of time. Waystation maintained to perfection, not a sight of any would be ne'er-do-wells. The same can be said about the general being of infrastructure. Reports for chastisement had also been given to you about said kyvernítis (governor), recommendations that they should be removed from their positions. But if you look at other reports, taxes and recruits were always given on time, no excessive complaints from the locals about their rule had been reported either. A rather complex situation, but at the very least you can begin laying down the initial stage of your plans for reconstruction, perhaps you too shall have to ride upon the roadway to get a better idea on what you should do.
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The royal district sits upon a hill, and whilst the view here is not as breath taking as the one in your bedchamber, it is still beautiful. You sit upon the beautifully carved wooden bench, lacquered white and reinforced with iron. Surrounded by the recovering nature, you watch the ocean and the various merchant ships coming and going from the docks. Cool winds wash your face, no longer biting as they were weeks previously, but still holding a chill unique to spring.

Your companion does not seem to appreciate it however, as Pistis snuggles himself deeper in your embrace. The little fellow had been growing rapidly, a few weeks’ time and you doubt that he will fit in your lap anymore. It whines as a particularly cold gust ruffles his fur.

“Your majesty, you had summoned me.” Asks a cold womanly voice.

“We had. Come, sit lady Irene.” You call out. Looking her over, she is still dressed in a mixture of cloths and furs, dyed in deep blacks and greys, it goes well with her pale complexion and dark hair, the raven flocks are moved by the winds, giving her almost and ethereal look of a cold goddess descending upon the lands.

“How have you been ? Does the capital greet you well ?”

“I have been fine, your majesty. Myralos is far too loud for my tastes, too many people and too many that do nothing.”

“And how has your father been, the rest of your family ?”

“My father is fine, your majesty. And I do not have any other family.”

“If we may ask, what happened to them ?”

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sun 15 May 2022 08:37:32 No.5268273 Report

Quoted By: >>5268275

>>5268271

“They died, your majesty. My brother had been too soft on the slaves, and in exchange had his head smashed apart by them. My mother, ever so carefree, slipped and fell of a ledge upon one of our mountain estates. I suppose I still have some cousins, here and there, as well as a few aunts and uncles, but I do know them, nor do I care for them.”

“You have our condolences. You and your father must have had a hard time.”

“I suppose. My father never had been emotional, other than when he is angry, or drunk. Perhaps my own range of expressions were inherited from him.”

“We are sure that the Shepherd had guided them to God’s side and now they are resting peacefully.”

You look over her face, which remains expressionless, she had remained silent at your comment.

“I am sure he had, if he bothered to.”

“Well, we had not invited you here to gaze upon the sea. Horses had been prepared for it, so we would like to invite you to join us for a hunt, the first hunt we’ll ever have.”

“It would be my honour, your majesty.” She responds with an even tone.

The preparations had been swift, though you had to wait for a moment for lady Irene’s pet to be brought over. Her snow lion, Lefkó. You had thought that it would be like your pup, whom is still snuggling close to you and napping, but it is in fact a full-grown beast. Its upper body, as the name suggests, is snow white, beautiful flowing white fur, whilst its lower body appears to be a colouration of various shades of grey. The snow lion seems to be around two thirds the size of a warhorse, horse that you are currently riding, a peaceful mare. Its golden feline eyes regard you and the various escorts, the pet, like the owner, seems not to be particularly fond of strangers and large crowds as it sticks exceptionally close to its owner. You also notice a saddle upon her back, as the lack of mane informs you of her sex, but there is no brittle to actually guide it.

“Will you be fine riding her ?”

“Yes, your majesty. She is a smart girl, capable of understanding words enough so that she can be guided by voice.” For once, you see a hidden smile form upon her lips as she begins petting Lefkó, her hands moving down her fur.

“Your majesty, everyone is ready.” Informs you one of the guards.

“Our lady, let us go.”

“Yes, your majesty.” She says climbing upon the saddle, Lefkó carefully lowering herself to allow her ease of access.

The ride to the nearby forest proves itself uneventful, as usual, shouts of praise had greeted you when you rode down the city’s streets. The travel down the road was also safe, the actually maintained road proving no issue for your journey.

And whilst moving, your pet pup had further hidden himself when he smelt the snow lion, to the point where he is glaring at it in your embrace, its fur standing straight, his small teeth are visible as he tries to scare off the much larger predator.

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sun 15 May 2022 08:38:33 No.5268275 Report

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>>5268273

“Our lady, we heard you speak about efficiency and pragmatism. How far do you think it should be pushed ? And how far do you embrace it yourself ?”

“Extensively, idle hands lead to idle thoughts. It is only through work and efficient administration can you put everyone to work, to distract them from the day to day issues of state. Naturally, this brings benefit unto the empire. It brings peace and stability. And if some demagogues and rabble rousers have to be put down to ensure so, then so be it.”
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You loose the third arrow, the first had missed entirely, the second injured the leg, and now the third, the third pierces the heart. With a scream the wild boar falls over and roll upon the ground. It seems Armentarius insistence on drilling you in every form of combat paid off. Granted, you doubt that it would have taken so long for him to kill the boar, and you doubt he would have missed the first arrow.

“Had you ever had boar meat before ?” You ask, lowering your bow.

“Some, your majesty. Boars rarely move onto the mountains.”

“Well, then we can have a feast once we return.” You say as your escorts, those specifically here to assist with the matters of the hunt, rush the boar and begin to prepare it for the journey back. “Since we have a moment of rest. Lady Irene, it was good to have you today alongside Lefkó. You were reserved at the feast. We would like to know why ? And we now know why you value efficiency above else. We value efficiency highly; it is important for the empire and so few realize it. At the same time, we also value faith, and loyalty. Do you value them as much as efficiency ? A married couple can be considered a combination of the two, the Shepherd blessing and the vows of marriage. What are your intentions for the potential of our marriage, as you had not seemed too enthused about it ? Do you think efficiency would also have a place in the life of a couple ?”

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sun 15 May 2022 08:39:35 No.5268277 Report

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>>5268275

“That is a lot of questions, your majesty. But I suppose that I have to answer them all. I do not like feasts, nor do I like a bunch of sycophants, trying to ingratiate themselves with those of higher positions, to then be thrown aside, or alternatively, throw aside those who they tried to suck up to because they lost their positions of power. As for faith ? Loyalty ? Those are beliefs of those who had not been in power. You yourself suffered betrayal your majesty, do you think those loyal to you now, will remain so forever ? Do you truly think, faith is untouched by the temporal ? That holy men cannot be just as power hungry as those local lords ? Everything is based on benefits, as long as the benefit out weighs the potential risks, relationships will continue, that is the basic principle of rulership, a principle that I would advise you keep. So, your majesty, to answer your question, the potential marriage between you and I shall bring benefits to both sides. It is only such relationships that efficiency can prosper, you can trust me to help you, and I can trust you to help me.” Rather cynically, she answers your questions.
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The reports trickling in had begun to give you some pause. The provincial kyvernítis had proven exceptionally resistant to your expedition. Continuously filing complaints, impeding your expedition and refusing to cooperate. Far from the capital, these men had been increasingly given more and more autonomy, not legally, but simply because as long as they paid their taxes, the central government had no desire to impose its authority. A concerning thing to learn, as these men have troops experienced and trained, nowhere near your tagmata (regiment/battalion), but they are experienced. You think back to the eastern magnates, the fact that they were allowed to exist for so long must be what is emboldening these kyvernítis to throw a fit. And they are right, should they revolt, you simply do not have enough men to deal with them all at once. Their power will have to be broken, or the eastern magnates supressed as a message.

On a brighter note, the first work crews had begun repairing the closest, and most importantly cheapest, infrastructure in the surroundings. Their work is progressing well and at a steady pace. Repairing takes less time than building after all.
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The flowers are not in bloom. The last of the snow had melted away and the temperature had increased further. You enjoy the beauty of late spring with noise of flowing water. The fountain in front of you flows with crystal clear water. Birds chirp around you as you wonder just how much effort had been put in to make this possible, how much does it take to maintain this art of engineering.

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sun 15 May 2022 08:40:36 No.5268280 Report

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>>5268277

Your natural scholarly curiosity is drawn away from by the beautifully dressed woman moving slowly towards you. Dressed in fine silks layered upon well made cloth, she sways as she walks, drawing your attention to her hips. The dress she had is of a vibrant green, with emeralds, surrounded by diamonds, around her cuffs and the hem of her dress. Her chestnut hair had flowers worked into it as the flowing locks been groomed to perfection shine, the sweet scent of oils teases your nostrils.

“Lady Dominica, you look gorgeous as ever.”

“Thank you, your majesty. I made sure to look well for our meeting, and I shall endeavour to do so whenever we meet.” She says with a smile.

“Shall we take a walk ? The gardens had become quite lovely with the coming of spring.”

“It would be my pleasure, your majesty.”

Extending your hand, you begin taking ponderous steps with her, enjoying the sunshine and the warmth.

“How has the capital treated you, our lady ? Has your father been well, your family ?”

“Oh, the capital had always been the most wondrous place upon this world. I love the noises of such a vibrant city full with life.” She says smiling. “As for my father, he is catching up with old friends for the past few weeks. Like so many other nobles as of late, yes, everyone is having a good time together with each other.” She continuous smiling, her eyes pleased like halfmoons. “As for the rest of my family, my siblings are intermingling with others of class. I have more than ten of them, so it is difficult to keep a track of all of them and their actions. But I can assure you, your majesty, they will do nothing to disgrace the family, nor the empire.”

“So you must have explored the city, had you visited the churches ?”

“The churches ? Why yes. Of course, your majesty. Faith is incredibly important after all. As you yourself had always proclaimed, your majesty.” She says maintaining her small and charming smile.

“Ah, so you must have heard the choir’s chant of his divine will sung every spring.” You reply smiling.

“Though I am unfamiliar with the exact names of all prayers, I am certain that such a beautiful chant would be filling for the soul.”

The only choir within the city is in the cathedral. You ponder her answer.

“We know that the lands of your family are known best for their agriculture, are you too familiar with the matters of farming, perhaps you have known techniques for it, to spread across the empire ?”

“Why the workers are familiar with such matters. I was not born a farmer your majesty, but if you so desire, I could direct some experienced servants to assist you if your majesty would like for me to do so.”

“Perhaps you’d for a picnic, our lady ? The weather is quite wonderful today.”

“I would love to, your majesty. I shall accompany you anywhere you desire.”
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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sun 15 May 2022 08:41:38 No.5268281 Report

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>>5268280

The sheet of cloth beneath you is filled with fine foods, quickly prepared by your chefs, you do notice that lady Dominica barely touches the food in front of her, taking but a single bite from each individual dish, which is not too much that had been prepared. A collection of fine bread, cheeses and wine, with a side of smoked pork.

Nest to you stands a small shrine to the Shepherd in the middle of a field, overlooking the coast, a few trees providing lovely shade for your excursion.

You continue to have some small talk with her about daily matters and the gossip she had heard.

But eventually, your pleasurable conversation does come to an end, when the Sun begins to set once more.

"Lady Dominica, it was a pleasure to be with you today. We have been curious though, you certainly know the nobility and the courts of the empire, but might we ask you what relation you have with Lady Helena and Irene ? Did you know each other before ? And another question, you answered that an empress should support her husband, but what does that empress want ?" You ask before the Sun truly disappears, staying here any longer would no doubt be torture for your guards, whom had to be alert for hours now.

“Oh, the fine ladies. Yes, I am familiar with them. After all, the great houses that assist the empire must also cooperate with one another, it is a complex web of friendships, rivalries and a myriad of different matters. So, I do know about them, and their personalities. They are fine women, whom have unique personalities rarely seen amongst the young ladies to be married.” She raising her fan to hide her face, but her eyes.

“And the empress’ wants are the wants of her emperor, so it has always been and so it shall always be. As I was educated being a fine lady, I learnt that I must follow my husband’s lead, whomever he shall be. Naturally, there are some matters that I desire for, but they are of minor concern for the man whom is supposed to deal with the matters outside of the household.” She says, whilst lowering her gaze.
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“Your majesty. The surveys had been completed and basic restoration work has begun as per your command.” Chartoularios tou kanikleiou (keeper of the imperial inkstand) states.

“Excellent.” You respond looking over the map. “What is the projected time and cost ?”

“Years, at the very least. We could go faster, but that would cost far more, your majesty. The magnitude of such a project would require strict oversight when it comes to time and expenses, so I would like to advise you, your majesty, to appoint a new protasekretis (first secretary) to manage the project.”

“Is a full restoration possible ? At a timely matter.” You ask.

“It can be, but the costs would be ruinous.” The wizened servant responds.

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NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Sun 15 May 2022 08:42:39 No.5268284 Report

>>5268281

It seems you will have to determine the scale of the project.

>It will be painful, but full restoration is the way to go. Repair the old, rebuild what needs rebuilding, lay down new roads leading to new towns and build new aqueducts. WARNING: large loans will have to be taken out for such a project.

>Try to strike a balance. Repair everything, but build only what is strictly necessary. WARNING: small to medium sized loans will have to be taken out for such a project.

>Allow the work to continue as is. It will be slow, and what you repair will only be what is the most urgent and cheapest.

>(Write in)

A new protasekretis (first secretary) is needed. Someone to look over and manage finances as well as new projects. You had pointlessly laden yourself down with extra work due to the lack of such a person.

>Look for and appoint a member from the senate. His loyalty may not be assured, but it should please the nobility. He would also have plenty of connections to make use of.

>An examinee. His loyalty and shill should be assured, though he may lack the tact needed for such a position.

>Who knows how to handle money better than a merchant ? And what merchants are better than Tarrizans ? It should make acquiring foreign loans a much easier task, as well as allowing more foreign involvement for your future projects.

>(Write in)

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Anonymous ID:Pry6ny5Y Sun 15 May 2022 09:25:48 No.5268302 Report

Quoted By: >>5268412

>>5268284
>Try to strike a balance. Repair everything, but build only what is strictly necessary
>Who knows how to handle money better than a merchant ? And what merchants are better than Tarrizans ? It should make acquiring foreign loans a much easier task, as well as allowing more foreign involvement for your future projects.

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Anonymous ID:B8WkQ91q Sun 15 May 2022 09:26:53 No.5268303 Report

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>>5268284
>>Try to strike a balance. Repair everything, but build only what is strictly necessary. WARNING: small to medium sized loans will have to be taken out for such a project.
>Look for and appoint a member from the senate. His loyalty may not be assured, but it should please the nobility. He would also have plenty of connections to make use of.

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Anonymous ID:5C3NZcKs Sun 15 May 2022 09:43:15 No.5268309 Report

Quoted By: >>5268323 >>5268457

>>5268284
>Allow the work to continue as is. It will be slow, and what you repair will only be what is the most urgent and cheapest.
We need to fix the debt problem next. At least we can begin repairs.

>An examinee. His loyalty and shill should be assured, though he may lack the tact needed for such a position.
I'm not sure about the idea of a foreign merchant. Way too easy to get robbed blind and have him skip town afterwards.

So very not surprised that Dominica is...a terrible idea. While my fears and suspicions came true in regards to Helena. The lack of luxuries is a dealbreaker. Irene is a very pleasant surprise. Her bluntness and honesty are astounding. Like wow, I did not see that shit coming at all. The rumors were a total disservice to her and clearly because she is also a female autist which is hilarious lmao. If only she was a pious autist like the MC then she literally is perfect. Ah well, maybe we can convince her of the pragmatic angle of faith. We cannot safely handle a woman who is better at politicking and or who loves the luxuries/power too much. She is neither! Not to mention a fellow autist of all goddamn things. Fucking hell I did not see that coming at all. Here I thought she was a cruel ambitious sociopath fuck me because of those shitty rumors I'm am so very glad I followed my suspicions about her.

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Anonymous ID:Pry6ny5Y Sun 15 May 2022 10:07:29 No.5268323 Report

Quoted By: >>5268457

Regarding the reconstruction project the first option is out of the question. All we need right now is to patch up the infrastructure as a whole and rebuild vital areas. Building new roads and aqueducts while we are in debt is just stupid.
Regarding the position of a protasekretis I think that all options have their pros and cons but ultimately I think we need to choose either a noble or a merchant. The project will be carried out in all imperial territories. Whoever is going to oversee it will have to interact with dozens of noble houses and families. Putting in charge someone who has no negotiation experience is just counter-productive.
>>5268309
I too was pleasantly surprised by Irene. Initially I voted for Dominica. Glad it didn't go through.

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Anonymous ID:Rx0+7utS Sun 15 May 2022 10:23:36 No.5268332 Report

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>>5268284
>Try to strike a balance. Repair everything, but build only what is strictly necessary.
Once the economy has balanced some more we can look at fully restoring it to it's glory, but it's probably going to be a generational task.
>An examinee. His loyalty and shill should be assured, though he may lack the tact needed for such a position.
The examinee wil also get connections due to the new class that we are creating because of the exams.

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Anonymous ID:o9wRVd/g Sun 15 May 2022 10:24:24 No.5268333 Report

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>>5268284
>Try to strike a balance. Repair everything, but build only what is strictly necessary.

>An examinee. His loyalty and shill should be assured, though he may lack the tact needed for such a position.

But let's try to find someone that the nobles might like.

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Anonymous ID:TK9oGj81 Sun 15 May 2022 11:10:29 No.5268361 Report

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If we sell a writ of trade, aka if you buy this then this year you are excused from paying any toll on Imperial roads, we can get internal trade moving and money for us rather than all the small lords.

The tolls are what killed much of the internal trade IRL

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Anonymous ID:onyby4JW Sun 15 May 2022 12:25:10 No.5268408 Report

Quoted By: >>5268668 >>5268861

>>5268284
>>Allow the work to continue as is. It will be slow, and what you repair will only be what is the most urgent and cheapest.

>>Look for and appoint a member from the senate. His loyalty may not be assured, but it should please the nobility. He would also have plenty of connections to make use of.

And retarded acesticism strikes again for Helena anons

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Anonymous ID:Pry6ny5Y Sun 15 May 2022 12:27:43 No.5268412 Report

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>>5268284
Going to change from >>5268302
To
>Try to strike a balance. Repair everything, but build only what is strictly necessary
>Look for and appoint a member from the senate. His loyalty may not be assured, but it should please the nobility. He would also have plenty of connections to make use of.

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Anonymous ID:Mk8wxxdk Sun 15 May 2022 12:28:49 No.5268413 Report

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>>5268284
>Allow the work to continue as is. It will be slow, and what you repair will only be what is the most urgent and cheapest.
>Look for and appoint a member from the senate. His loyalty may not be assured, but it should please the nobility. He would also have plenty of connections to make use of.

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Anonymous ID:Qy5+NkD8 Sun 15 May 2022 13:09:08 No.5268438 Report

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>>5268284
>Try to strike a balance. Repair everything, but build only what is strictly necessary.
>(Write in) Appoint the (socially) highest ranking Examinee available

Loans will always be necessary for growth, what matters is that you are able to pay them off on time. As for wives... Irene seems rather well suited for the emperor, but I LIKE Helena. I, for one, would be willing to compromise on getting some real seasoning for the woman. Dominica... eh, no good. At least she has a large family?

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Anonymous ID:gd7UYxWq Sun 15 May 2022 13:22:41 No.5268457 Report

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>>5268284
>Try to strike a balance. Repair everything, but build only what is strictly necessary.
As I thought, the debt is the next most important issue to fix.

>Look for and appoint a member from the senate. His loyalty may not be assured, but it should please the nobility. He would also have plenty of connections to make use of.
Interview him personally. We need to get an idea that he at least knows what he's doing.

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>>5268323
As for the women, Dominica seems like a kiss ass and someone who can only lie convincingly as long as the other person doesn't know what she's talking about, as demonstrated by her not knowing that the choir is in the cathedral. Irene seems like a perfect autist fit, but the deaths of her family members are setting off alarm bells in my head. Helena does have the luxuries issue, but considering that we urgently need help unfucking our finances she seems like a very convenient pick as well. I'm currently leaning Helena myself, though I probably could accept Irene too.

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Anonymous ID:gd7UYxWq Sun 15 May 2022 13:23:43 No.5268460 Report

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>>5268457
One other thing, I would really like to meet with Dominica's father more no matter who we pick, as he seems like a very competent individual who should be held as an example of good governorship.

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Sun 15 May 2022 14:44:44 No.5268526 Report

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>>5268284

>Try to strike a balance. Repair everything, but build only what is strictly necessary.
>Look for and appoint a member from the senate. His loyalty may not be assured, but it should please the nobility. He would also have plenty of connections to make use of.

We're going to have to increase our debt to start repairing, not finish everything, just to keep the infrastructure running. Bearing in mind that this is not going to affect trade in a revolutionary way tells me that, the safe route is the solution.

>Helena.
Her father has a good opinion of us and is from a competent noble house, politically speaking, and a good choice. As for the suitor herself, she seems to me to be the best option. She proved to be honest, sincere, experienced, mature and above all balanced. She respects faith but not to the point of fanaticism, considering our alliances having someone like that by our side would complete us perfectly.
>In short, chocolate is the way.

>Irene.
Quite frankly? She is very similar to us, she is the result of a lot of bad situations, that forced her to act in a certain way. She has a domain of her own that she excels in, but outside of that area she is somewhat incapable. Frankly with our company she could become a good wife, the problem is we don't have any proof of support from her father, or the slightest interest in faith plus the competition is just too strong.
>In short a powerful sword in all situations.

>Dominica.
Is it sad to say that her father is the only useful thing in this possible marriage? My first impression of her would be a political fox who could be greedy. The second impression is that of a greedy girl who will say anything to be chosen, including not checking basic knowledge of the faith, something our young prince is very fond of. She now strikes me as being greedy, poisonous, underhanded, and surprisingly incompetent. I wouldn't be surprised if she personally poisons us after the birth of our child.
>In short, this girl's exterior isn't the only sick thing about her.

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Anonymous ID:YkhS8z2K Sun 15 May 2022 15:17:42 No.5268554 Report

Quoted By: >>5268842

Helena really seems like a nice gal, honest, treasures family, and has a good head on her shoulders.

But the warmth hidden away in such cold heart...I t c a l l s t o m e.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:3SI9EaN8 Sun 15 May 2022 16:57:17 No.5268668 Report

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>>5268284

>>5268408
Seconded on both. The amount of corruption will be limited if the amount of money is, and we don't need more financial problems or to be tempted to debase the coin. And if we add enough prestige to it the senators might actually work hard.
>And retarded acesticism strikes again for Helena anons
As in, she is going to like us less because of the acesticism? Could be, although she'd probably basically just tone it down were she brought into la cosa nostra.

Unless our autist emporor wants his muscle mommy waifu, we probably shouldn't lead Irene on anymore or keep her physically in the capitol. She might do something nasty when she has access to our person and things we eat etc if we're not very useful. The others are less physically dangerous as they have more legitimate family ties.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Sun 15 May 2022 20:09:34 No.5268842 Report

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>>5268284
>Allow the work to continue as is. It will be slow, and what you repair will only be what is the most urgent and cheapest.
My questions >>5266079 about our finances still haven't been answered so I'll assume the worst.

>(Write in) Appoint an Examinee of high social rank. Someone the nobles are most likely to appreciate.

In regards to the ladies. Dominica is exactly what I feared. I don't know why anons think Helena will have a big problem with the luxuries, the only thing she's said is that she's unused to specific things being absent. Like >>5268554 said, Irene is really appealing on a personal level. I know this kind of person, the kind of stoic that has a great warmth hidden by their cold exterior. Although, Manuel (Anons) being capable of cracking that defense is another matter.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:5C3NZcKs Sun 15 May 2022 20:39:41 No.5268861 Report

Quoted By: >>5268973 >>5269293

>>5268408
>>5268438
To be fair Helena would have been great if we didn't go full Acesticism and reform anti corruption that will ruffle the wealthiest(and corrupt nobles including her own family so she will hamper us there). Our own choices and MC autism made it so Helena is not the greatest option. Dominica is a downright terrible idea no matter the choices we had made in the past, unlike Helena where we screwed ourselves over. So its not Helena's fault.

Irene on the other hand is a very pleasant and unexpected surprise. She is a fellow autist. There is 0 risk of her backstabbing and manipulating the MC because she is just as terrible or even worse at politicking than the MC is(see rumors for proof). While we are also getting more fit. More interesting due to her autism and pragmatic stance she will hyper focus on whatever we need help with and resolve to fix it via sheer weaponized autism. As was shown in her own home via personnel and domain management. While her own personal interests led to her great autistically fed and advanced personal fitness. With Irene we get TWO weaponized autists instead of ONE. This is amazing.

That is fucking insane. A direct multiplier that no other wife can possibly offer because none of them is a fellow trustworthy autist whose autism can be guided and weaponized like our own. Like damn I would have leaned more towards Helena myself if it weren't for past player choices and the fact that Irene is good for EVERYTHING due to sheer weaponized autism. Not to mention her wariness of the Church and other nobles actually works to our advantage. Unlike Manual, she is very aware of how power dynamics and things really work with them. Especially with her being the victim of such terrible rumors. While her lack of close family relatives will see to it that she will bond more closely with our own children and the MC instead of being a vector of manipulation from the in laws. A very good thing since we also lack that. Her not being very pious and pragmatic is actually a huge advantage since it allows her to cover the weaknesses of Manual that he would overlook. Which is something I only realized later myself. I initially thought it was her only flaw...I was wrong.

I don't want to give up on the direct force multiplier that is Irene since she will adapt and educate herself to deal with whatever we need help with. Also in terms of eugenics, she is also the strongest option and the safest since there is nothing about the MC that will turn antagonize her which is huge. Especially since we are also training and getting fit too. Not even Helena can offer such insane blatant perks or force multipliers that are not super specialized and can easily branch out to wherever is required. She is the OP swiss army knife tool for Kingdom Management that we could ever dream to have except with boobs and fuckable so even better.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Y8IGTQVJ Sun 15 May 2022 21:08:12 No.5268899 Report

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Holy shit Dominica is such a fake bitch. It seems like she got a surface level understanding of Manuel's character from some noble party rumors and decided that best way to win his heart is to lie through her teeth. And she's so fucking bad at it too. Feels like she is either too dumb or too lazy to lie convincingly. She has been in the capital for weeks now probably and she didn't even bother to get some info on religious matters while it's a widely known fact that the emperor is very pious.
And then she is trying to appeal to Manuel's ascetic lifestyle by eating little. Bitch please. Are you really trying to show off how temperate you are out of nowhere? All it would take is for the emperor to ask anyone who knows you like your rivals for example if you ever were so reserved before and your lie gets exposed. Are you really okay with lying to the emperor this brazenly? God damn.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Y8IGTQVJ Sun 15 May 2022 21:12:38 No.5268904 Report

Quoted By:

>>5268284
>Try to strike a balance
>Look for and appoint a member from the senate

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fMeTG6+E Sun 15 May 2022 21:58:21 No.5268948 Report

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>>5268284
>try to strike a balance
>examinee

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Sun 15 May 2022 22:26:50 No.5268973 Report

Quoted By: >>5268988

>>5268861

I would just like to point out that while Helena's family did indeed embezzle funds from the imperial coffers, they had a good reason for doing so. Without a navy they had to defend their ports and the settlements of the small islands alone.

Remembering that until our reform to revive the navy, they were under constant pirate attacks. Yes our character hates corruption but he can differentiate stealing out of sheer greed, from stealing because the emperor is not doing his job protecting our land.

Not to mention they are the second richest family, and we are going to need money soon. So we could ask them for a loan and deduct the unpaid fees they have from that.

They wouldn't be happy but they couldn't complain so much, since now we are entitled to collect their taxes, and no one in their family has to go through a public trial on the matter.

>Principles intact and our coffers less empty.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:5C3NZcKs Sun 15 May 2022 22:47:15 No.5268988 Report

Quoted By: >>5269007 >>5269293 >>5270059

>>5268973
They hold a COMPLETE monopoly on the most profitable and only economic goods that keep our entire Empire's economy afloat. They are stupidly rich and could easily afford to pay up their taxes, not embezzle, and cover their own security with plenty of surplus funds left to spare for all the luxuries spending they so love. The fact that they did so anyway is nothing less than sheer overwhelming blatant greed. Them offering Helena is just trying to cover their own asses because once the Navy is up they start to lose some of their excuses for their embezzling and we have more reasons to crack down on their family's insane greed. It's nothing more than excuses and nothing less.

Technically ALL the nobles have the right to maintain their own private armies and yes that includes fleet. Just as we also have the right to field our own military forces as do the governors. So that isn't actually much of an excuse especially when they embezzle tax funds to do so. Frankly, I do not like her family at all but it's a common problem that most of the nobles have which is why I didn't say anything but it's just that ubiquitous. Getting in bed with them will bite us on the ass because it will massively fuck over our reforms by crippling our attempts to root out corruption when our very own wife and her family are at the heart of it in terms of monopoly and embezzling. So much for our precious reforms than for the next TWO generations of Emperors. AT LEAST. The nobles, senate, and merchants will laugh their fucking asses off at us for it. Even the commoners and rightly so.

Marrying Helena means automatic forfeiture and surrender on the corruption reforms simply because her family is that powerful and greedy in terms of that precise corruption and influence we wish to dismantle. So no her family did not have a good reason to embezzle funds from the Imperial coffers. They of ALL nobles had the least good reasons to do so because they were so stupidly fucking rich and could with extreme ease afford not to do so with their own excessive funds. That they LITERALLY brag about constantly having to fight off merchants desperately trying to buy more shit from them for insane markups be refusing.

So well done. Choosing Helena means instant GG on half the reforms and crippling it. Which is the entire point of this Emperor MC.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lHTsdp6Z Sun 15 May 2022 22:57:59 No.5269001 Report

Quoted By: >>5272365

Hmm. Aside from the being the ore suppliers, do we know if House Ingerinus has their hands in any other pots? I would have thought they would have more sway over the army due the position of their lands, but I find no evidence of that in thread. Perhaps we should investigate that further...

Also, Newb, what was the hypothetical Staurakius wife like?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Sun 15 May 2022 23:04:02 No.5269007 Report

Quoted By: >>5269170

>>5268988
Why are so certain that marrying Helena will produce such disastrous results? How would she immediatly roll back our reforms? I could see her asking us to play favorites with her family but not the immediate subversion of our entire agenda. Dominica fits way more with these catastrophic predictions than Helena.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:5C3NZcKs Mon 16 May 2022 01:25:39 No.5269170 Report

Quoted By: >>5269293

>>5269007
Helena isn't so much the problem as her family that she obviously cares about and favors. Along with the fact that the reforms are going to fuck them over. Her favoritism is going to sabotage and cripple the reforms we have planned. Not all of it unlike with Dominica but enough to cripple. Marrying her will crash and burn a large part of reforms for 2 generations. Irene is unusual in that despite being a noble she is an autist who doesn't give a shit hence all the terrible rumors about her(cuz autism). While her own direct family is likely to be supplanted by extended family and her marrying us makes her favor the Imperial powers over the nobles since her extended relatives are going to fuck her over regardless. Not to mention she ALSO doesn't have to worry about her in laws on our side. So she will feel safe to invest completely in our marriage and family.
Basically choosing Helena means accepting the fact that our Reforms are going to be crippled and taking hazards against the MC since there are aspects about him that are antagonistic to Helena due to past player actions. In exchange for better foreign relations, trade improvements, and money lending. A very steep price to pay and with risks attached. I'm not saying it's a terrible idea like with Dominica...it could have been a LOT better if we had made different choices in the past. Like seriously all the risks/problems that Helena now has could have been a complete nonissue if we had made completely different choices...but we made those choices. It's the only reason why Helena is not a great choice.
So I wouldn't say Helena would be a complete disaster just that...it will massively fuck over our reforms in tong run by crippling them in certain aspects. As her family has FAR too much to lose by allowing them to go through completely as we wish them to be and if she marries us she will absolutely see it through because is much better at politics, wealthier, and has more connections than we do. It will cover her family's ass at the expense of our reforms and goals. Hence delaying it by about 2 generations until their influence fades enough that we can restart the aspects that they squashed and delayed. Very annoying especially since that is among our initial goals as Emperor. Irene is the true oddball in that despite being a noble she simply too autistic to care about all that. Hence her obsession with efficiency, pragmatism, blunt views of power plays, and ignoring the rumors about herself. Any other noblewoman would have been butthurt about having her prestige and honor harmed. Much less speak in such a forthright, blunt, and brutally honest manner. Especially in front of a man, she is 'supposed' to be trying to charm or seduce. She was too autistic to care and that includes how nobles do things. To her, it is inefficient, annoying powerplays, and gets in the way. It's perfect for an autistic emperor otherwise we will get our ass handed to us by the Empress on a silver platter.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:uodgeWY4 Mon 16 May 2022 01:40:31 No.5269184 Report

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>>5268284
>Allow the work to continue as is. It will be slow, and what you repair will only be what is the most urgent and cheapest.

We don't have the funds to go for more and we cannot risk increasing our debt substantially yet, remember we still have to restore the army if we have any ambitions in regards to restoring the empire. I was severely tempted by the middle road option because it mentions only focusing on what is strictly necessary, but I don't think we can afford going further into debt. Remember, assuming we aren't killed then we have years upon years to to come back to this issue when we are more flush with cash, just take care of the most urgent issues right now or things that can be fixed with a patch job.

>An examinee. His loyalty and shill should be assured, though he may lack the tact needed for such a position.

Seeing that opinion has turned against Dominica it seems we'll have a relative lack of connection and social awareness as a perpetual weakness, but we really need to make sure we have a loyal and competent first secretary who won't "misplace" funds, connections can be built by meeting figures and visitors in court or by having them attend various social functions.

My ID changed, but I'm >>5264682

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:onyby4JW Mon 16 May 2022 03:13:27 No.5269293 Report

Quoted By: >>5269514

>>5268861
>>5268988
>>5269170

Absolutely autistic

I'm voting against whatever stance you're taking

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:S1Wf1zxT Mon 16 May 2022 03:48:18 No.5269311 Report

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Can we have a new thread soon? This one's getting pretty thicc, though I suppose we are on page 9 anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n7/eYY9j Mon 16 May 2022 04:32:50 No.5269348 Report

Quoted By:

>>5268284
>It will be painful, but full restoration is the way to go. Repair the old, rebuild what needs rebuilding, lay down new roads leading to new towns and build new aqueducts. WARNING: large loans will have to be taken out for such a project.
Our father has made good economic reforms, we have revamped the adminstration, protected our sea trade routes, and now we have the opportunity to really revamp our infrastructure. Good and new infrastructure means healthier and wealthier citizens, which means more trade flowing and more human capital. I think that our good work will pay off a large loan in no time and I say we go all in. We can't half ass it like we did with rooting out corruption. All the fuck in.

>Look for and appoint a member from the senate. His loyalty may not be assured, but it should please the nobility. He would also have plenty of connections to make use of.
Nobility being pleased is good and the guy has an incentive to do his job well as good infrastructure affects the nobility too. Not to mention, close collaboration with the nobility regarding projects and areas that need repair may have a better effect as they are more knowledgable about the needs of their fiefs.

As I mentioned before, I prefer Dominica because she has the charm and political savvy that can make up for our lack of it. Helena is a good second choice. I don't trust Irene because of her proximity to the hotbed of rebellion and traitors that is the East. She sounds like a cutthroat, and I think that may apply to us as well if it benefits her or family over us.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:gomX6p5p Mon 16 May 2022 06:05:19 No.5269434 Report

Quoted By: >>5269441 >>5269443

>>5268284
>Strike a balance
>A man of the senate
Call me whatever you want, but oddly enough economics class taught that big companies and nations don't need to fear debt that much.
Beeg companies have debt, a lot of debt, like some have a 90% asset debt. Why aren't they fucked? Its all long term loans, what a company and we as a nation care about is a positive net cash flow because we only need to take a little into paying our debts and the rest either goes to treasury (thanks to anti corruption reforms) or other projects, and increasing land trade will be an excellent way to improve cash flow, safer roads should also increase productivity.

Speaking of productivity, as an Helenafag I'm pleasantly surprised with Irene, yes she is short family members but if she has no brothers we can establish our house in those lands and appoint a steward for it, say a retiring Armentarius? The circumstances her mother died in are somewhat suspicious but honestly, it was her mother why do we care; her brother died with a decent enough excuse. There are many angles we could exploit to try make her softer in her approach for efficiency/more faithful in general. She could probably help us kickstart the anticorruption work in the tax department or a spy network, the more cloak and dagger type. Somewhat disappointed in Helena, she's a tad more shallow than expected and it doesn't look like we can get the amount of loyalty I was expecting out of a wish for self realization and independence from her family.

That said, I will support getting someone from the senate, one of the other chucklefuck fathers for that matter, or at least someone they recommend (want to empower for their faction) so we can apply some balm to refusing yheir daughters and starting to make bridges.
On another note, our wedding should be the most pious thing since the shepperd died

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:gomX6p5p Mon 16 May 2022 06:11:21 No.5269441 Report

Quoted By: >>5269514

>>5269434
>>5269434
Also thinking about it,think of our bloodline, we are in this shit for the long run. Dominica would get us kids prone to decadence; Helena would be pretty neutral/maintain og emperor traits; but Irene would get us STRONK AUTISTIC heir goblins

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Pry6ny5Y Mon 16 May 2022 06:11:58 No.5269443 Report

Quoted By:

>>5269434
>if she has no brothers we can establish our house in those lands
This. Since she has no brothers there is a good chance that our child with her will inherit the whole eastern mountain icluding their mines.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Mon 16 May 2022 07:12:40 No.5269500 Report

Quoted By:

>>5268284
>Allow the work to continue as is. It will be slow, and what you repair will only be what is the most urgent and cheapest.
We’ll get back to this when our government is in better economic health.
>If no loans, Senate. If loans, Foreigner.
Senate man only works if we have no funds for him to embezzle, and he’ll turn infrastructure maintenance into a prestige thing and may get the nobles invested in the projects. If we get more loans, we need to ensure these funds aren’t embezzled and are put to good, skilled use, which means the foreigner is the play. It really depends on the scope of the infrastructure projects anons want to embark on.

Helena is a good, family oriented girl. Quick witted, smart, and speaks many tounges, she’s be a useful foreign minister, trader and investor, and a lovely housewife (especially with her eye for trade goods and prices). Her family is rich and loyal, and would have more interest in helping us revitalize the economy of the empire rather than trying to usurp us, especially if we win over Helen’s heart.

Irene is a strong, capable, pragmatic autist. She values efficiency and effectiveness, which vibes well with the autists here. She’s also honest and upfront, which is perfect for cutting through the autist sperging bullshit. She’s the only daughter of the patriarch of this house, meaning that our children will inherit her father’s holdings, and there will be a lack of political backstabbing autism from her family, since she will turn against her extended family if they become a problem for us. The iron supplies shouldn’t be underestimated either, it will upgrade our army’s equipment, which would be invaluable.

Dominica is savy, charismatic, and diplomatic. She has grace and etiquette, but more importantly influence as her asset. She would handle the noblility relations, and the Senate will both be pacified and may become an asset in certain situations. Her family is large and highly connected, and has access to not only huge raw manpower, but skilled manpower as well, which should also not be understated.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:1uGFN88D Mon 16 May 2022 07:29:33 No.5269512 Report

Quoted By:

>>5268284
>>Try to strike a balance. Repair everything, but build only what is strictly necessary. WARNING: small to medium sized loans will have to be taken out for such a project.
>An examinee. His loyalty and shill should be assured, though he may lack the tact needed for such a position.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Mon 16 May 2022 07:32:05 No.5269514 Report

Quoted By:

>>5269293
Yea, I don’t understand the anti-Helena autism either. It’s not like we’d be forfeiting all our reforms or her family would immediately target us politically, at best we have common goals in getting our economy and trade back online.

>>5269441
Helena would be smart, economically minded, and family oriented kids. Irene would be strong, pragmatic kids, more akin to efficient Crusaders. Dominica would be charismatic, influential kids, and many of them due to her family’s fertility. Each have them has their benefits.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ZZY7HY8K Mon 16 May 2022 08:43:03 No.5269556 Report

Quoted By: >>5269671

>>5268284
I'm going to pick Irene she seems like the least worst option out of all of them.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:zsn0DIH2 Mon 16 May 2022 08:47:26 No.5269557 Report

Quoted By:

>>5268284
>>Allow the work to continue as is. It will be slow, and what you repair will only be what is the most urgent and cheapest.
we're already in massive debt. it's beyond me why some people here want to add further debt to our already increasing massive pile of debt. it's barely even been a year and we've already begun financing 2 massive projects. if we keep spending at this speed we're going to be bankrupt in less than 5 years. and not only that, by spending this much we close ourselves to the possibility of drawing more urgent funds in instances like a surprise invasion for example. getting into debt should only be done under conditions of war, peacetimes are for paying it off.

>Look for and appoint a member from the senate. His loyalty may not be assured, but it should please the nobility. He would also have plenty of connections to make use of.
let's throw them a bone.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:1uGFN88D Mon 16 May 2022 11:54:17 No.5269671 Report

Quoted By:

>>5269556
Not against the idea, but since we are doing courting right now it might be best to see if we can learn more from each of them. Beside the nobility would be occupied in gossiping about it, which might sound dumb and not too important at first, but it should work and distract people for a while. If we think about it is an event of social life in the empire.
Of course noble courting doesn't last forever, but there is some traditional time that passes. Unless both noble families decide to skip it and just make a marriage.
We could also wrap it up now, and get more close and personal to one of the ladies. Probably with a surprise, something they would appreciate from what we have learn from them.
In case we wrap it up, it might be best to think of what to say and what kind of surprise to make. Irene who knows, she might appreciate a new weapon ? For Helena maybe a new book from Rogarus ? And in case of Dominica, not really sure.
Whatever we choose we can be happy for the marriage because the bride will no doubt arrive with a not insignificant dowry too. We are speaking of the three top families in the empire, the one of world shield is out and at best there is the family of Leontius. But is clear this three are the most important around.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:XwU9vhdm Mon 16 May 2022 18:03:30 No.5270048 Report

Quoted By: >>5270054

Gentlemen, gentlemen, there’s a question that seems to have been neglected here

Why not both?

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Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Mon 16 May 2022 18:13:05 No.5270054 Report

Quoted By: >>5270417

>>5270048
Polygamy? In a medieval christian society? By our precious autistically pious emperor? It would go swimmingly, im sure.

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Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Mon 16 May 2022 18:18:40 No.5270059 Report

Quoted By:

>>5268988

The point of our character is to save the Empire first of all, second in any system of government there will always be some corruption, the point is to reduce it to acceptable levels.

They have a huge territory divided into multiple islands that produce luxury items, yes they are extremely rich but each island has to have its own garrison and the ocean has to be constantly patrolled. With no support from the Emperor for God knows how long, they do have an excuse to reduce the fees that they pay.

Besides what they are doing with silk is obvious, China controlled the production of silk that was exported to make the price high, Muslims in Spain did the same, it is a common practice is not a personal attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n7/eYY9j Mon 16 May 2022 22:41:55 No.5270417 Report

Quoted By: >>5270440 >>5270470

>Some anons justified selling all of our wealth and prestige because it's the pious thing "in character" to do as a peasant priest in training
>All the sudden some of the same anons advocate for the harsh and cruel slave driving choice of waifu
>Irene has DD cups

J'ACCUSE!!!

>>5270054
In all reality, the only limitations to the actions we do that goes against the grain is our power. No doubt emperors of the past had mistresses and concubines.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:xc+fWeBL Mon 16 May 2022 22:57:28 No.5270433 Report

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>>5268284
>It will be painful, but full restoration is the way to go. Repair the old, rebuild what needs rebuilding, lay down new roads leading to new towns and build new aqueducts. WARNING: large loans will have to be taken out for such a project.

>An examinee. His loyalty and shill should be assured, though he may lack the tact needed for such a position.

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Anonymous ID:YkhS8z2K Mon 16 May 2022 23:13:19 No.5270440 Report

Quoted By: >>5270458 >>5270470

>>5270417
>All the sudden some of the same anons advocate for the harsh and cruel slave driving choice of waifu
I CAN FIX HER

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:KVdB/Ej6 Mon 16 May 2022 23:32:55 No.5270458 Report

Quoted By: >>5270463 >>5270470 >>5270474

>>5270440
I think its funny that by the powers of autism people are starting to warm up to the worst option possible. This quest is cursed

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Anonymous ID:4O7RXEH2 Mon 16 May 2022 23:37:23 No.5270463 Report

Quoted By: >>5270474 >>5270588

>>5270458
>the worst option possible
>while Dominica exists

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Mon 16 May 2022 23:43:08 No.5270470 Report

Quoted By: >>5270474 >>5270503

>>5270417
Of course, we're the son of such a relationship after all. But I sincerely doubt you could get a noble lady of a prominent house to agree to such an arrangement since these trysts are, by definition, very private affairs and so are of little benefit in comparison to marriage.

>>5270440
More like getting close to rather than "fix".

>>5270458
>Worst option possible
Irene is the risky choice, Helena is the safe choice, Dominica is the worst choice

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n7/eYY9j Mon 16 May 2022 23:50:19 No.5270474 Report

Quoted By: >>5270482 >>5270494 >>5270506

>>5270463
>>5270470
Dominica is a politically savvy, well-connected individual with a powerful family and is knowledgeable of the court. We would do well to smooth over the bumps of our tulmutuous reign by marrying her as I am sure she would be a popular face for our reign. She is the pragmatic option and through the lense of playing the game of the court would be a no-brainer option. In no way would she be considered a "bad" option.

>>5270458
I know anon. I know.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:4O7RXEH2 Mon 16 May 2022 23:56:33 No.5270482 Report

Quoted By: >>5270511

>>5270474
Dominica is so good and savvy that even autistic Manuel managed to see through her lies lmao
Other two also have powerful noble families. Other than a connection to her father Dominica has nothing of value to offer.
So yeah I am gonna vote for one of the girls who are not antithetic to the emperors way of life.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Tue 17 May 2022 00:02:31 No.5270494 Report

Quoted By: >>5270526

>>5270474
All of those things are true and yet she is still the worst option. Do you think she would have any respect for Manuel? That she would try to support him and his ambitions in any way? I don't think so. To me, it seems like she would say whatever he wants to hear but follow her own agenda. And that her own agenda will run counter to his interests, creating what will be a very annoying problem down the line.

She's been raising red flags ever since we met her, yes she's very connected but she's a snake not a wife.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:YkhS8z2K Tue 17 May 2022 00:13:57 No.5270503 Report

Quoted By: >>5270534

>>5270470
>More like getting close to rather than "fix".
Just 'avin a bit a giggle mate, know how the ice queen kuudere works.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Qy5+NkD8 Tue 17 May 2022 00:18:48 No.5270506 Report

Quoted By: >>5270511 >>5270534

>>5270474
Yes, Dominica has extrinsic good qualities just like the other two women. Intrinsically, she is an insincere trick unfit to be the mother of future emperors.

However, this discussion about the negatives of Irene vs the negatives of Dominica is irrelevant. It seems that, outside of autistic concerns about luxuries, Helena is acknowledged as superior to both other options. Perhaps we can all agree that the polyglot, tanned, family-first wife is best?

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Anonymous ID:n7/eYY9j Tue 17 May 2022 00:31:13 No.5270511 Report

Quoted By: >>5270524 >>5270534

>>5270482
Having the social skills of an academic peasant, thrust into a noble's court has nothing to do with having the intelligence in a topic we are knowlegeable about to notice discrepencies in a conversation.

Did you not see the value of her insight on the Lucenians seeing our aesceticism as a sign of weakness? That holds up in real life in the noble courts of the past. This is an insight that neither trade focused Helena or industry focused Irene could procure.

>>5270506
Dominica is a political animal. I think she is perfectly fine as a potential mother of future emperors. Certainly for now, we are not suitable to teach our children the ways of the court, and neither are the other women.

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Anonymous ID:gd7UYxWq Tue 17 May 2022 00:36:48 No.5270515 Report

Quoted By: >>5270526 >>5270787 >>5270918

I'm beginning to regret voting for the delay option on the women now.

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Anonymous ID:4O7RXEH2 Tue 17 May 2022 00:44:22 No.5270524 Report

Quoted By: >>5270535

>>5270511
>Did you not see the value of her insight on the Lucenians seeing our aesceticism as a sign of weakness?
Ah yes the tribal barbarians who somehow know what goes on in the imperial court and care immensely about how many feasts per month the emperor is having.
Imagine Britons somehow being aware of social life of a Roman high society and thinking less of a Roman emperor who decided to be less pompous.
It sounds like bullshit. Because it is bullshit. That was bullshit anon. The girl gave you a plate full of shit and you ate it up.
She was butthurrt by Manuel's lifestyle and used the first thing that came to her head as a reason why he should change it. That's it.
>This is an insight that neither trade focused Helena or industry focused Irene could procure.
True that lol. Neither of those two managed to reach Dominica's "savviness" levels quite yet.

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Anonymous ID:n7/eYY9j Tue 17 May 2022 00:44:37 No.5270526 Report

Quoted By: >>5270559

>>5270494
The only clear potential red flag to me is that she feigned more piety than she actually believes, and even then I don't think it's that bad. She knows what's she wants, which is our hand in marriage, which makes sense given her position so she says what she thinks we would like to hear. Do anons bare their whole ass, flaws and all, to their first dates? No judgement if others do, I just don't think this fib is that bad.

Yet, she gives us good political insight about the Lucenians, so I don't think you have definitive evidence to show how she MUST be a snake. If you want to look at Helena or Irene, one has a family that has questionable financial practices, understandable but still. Irene has family that is way too close to proximity to our Uncle and Lucenians. All of these things can bring potential doubt about the "loyalty" of these individuals, but are ultimately unsubstantiated, just like people's claims about Dominica. Ultimately, I think that none of these women would be here if they felt like they respect our authority and position. For that reason, I think we should choose a wife based on maximum political utility.

>>5270515
I refuse to let a select group of autists dominate discussion. There needs to be substantial autism from all sides. :^)

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Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Tue 17 May 2022 00:49:46 No.5270534 Report

Quoted By: >>5270576

>>5270503
I know, Im clarifying to any anons that would take you seriously.

>>5270506
Eh, I like both of them so I could go either way.

>>5270511
>Did you not see the value of her insight on the Lucenians seeing our aesceticism as a sign of weakness?
Given that she blatantly lied about the choir, do you really think that there was any truth to that advice? Advice, might I add, that seems ridiculous for reasons I've previously stated >>5263774. A more simple and more likely explanation is that she simply dislikes the asceticism for her own selfish reasons.

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Anonymous ID:n7/eYY9j Tue 17 May 2022 00:50:04 No.5270535 Report

Quoted By: >>5270573 >>5270576

>>5270524
Anon, if you don't think majestic royal courts and the shock and awe of establishing and showcasing wealth is an essential part of projecting power in the medieval world, then I ask you to watch the video below.

Watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGPwt5SonWg&t=627s

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Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Tue 17 May 2022 00:59:23 No.5270559 Report

Quoted By: >>5270576 >>5270594

>>5270526
Show all of your flaws ≠ Blatant lies.
I've already spoken about how much I value the "insight".
Another red flag off of the top of my head is the insult towards the other ladies at the first meeting.
All you have against the other options are their families, not their characters or actions.
Of course the evidence agaist Dominica isn't definitive but we work with what we have and, so far, it's been pretty damning. All of it pointing towards her being a catty liar.

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Anonymous ID:AutfIMoU Tue 17 May 2022 01:01:33 No.5270564 Report

Quoted By:

I believe Irene should be the one. Her knowledge on trade should help us finance future projects in the Empire.

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Anonymous ID:4O7RXEH2 Tue 17 May 2022 01:07:06 No.5270573 Report

Quoted By: >>5270581

>>5270535
How would a tribe of barbarians with whom we have no diplomatic or trade or any other other kind of contact know about our court life?
We know absolutely nothing about them but they somehow know inner workings of the imperial palace?
Even if they would somehow know all that - why would they care?
They are tribals. They live in mudhuts or some forest villages. They absolutely value combat and military prowess above high society parties and beauty pageants. Our army just slapped back their huge raiding party and they are going to think less of us because we don't spend enough gold to come up with a new court position every week?
I honestly feel like you are trolling me. Or can't read. Either or.

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Anonymous ID:n7/eYY9j Tue 17 May 2022 01:09:04 No.5270576 Report

Quoted By: >>5270590 >>5270592

>>5263774
>>5270534
>>5270559
Refer to here to understand where I am coming from: >>5270535

We may be living an opulent lifestyle comparatively to some, but I think it is very likely that there are standards to that we are not meeting. Take it from the shoes of an outsider observing our court. If the supposedly most powerful empire in the whole world has to SELL off the wealth of his court, then things must be really bad, even if comparatively we are of course still very wealthy.

The Lucenian probe of our defenses of which we still took heavy casualties defeating is a sign of our dillapidation so I think anons should not overestimate our abilities here. The fact that we have had to resort to trimming the fat of the court in the first place is noticiable to merchants and diplomats.

Helena does not have a conventional compexion I am assuming of the Empire's core, has an accent, and is naive. Irene is athletic, brooding, and blunt. Her being catty to her rivals for our affection doesn't mean anything to me compared to her utility she holds for our throne. I am sure it is only a small part of her potential if she is let loose on our enemies.

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Anonymous ID:n7/eYY9j Tue 17 May 2022 01:16:22 No.5270581 Report

Quoted By: >>5270592 >>5272365

>>5270573
>How would a tribe of barbarians with whom we have no diplomatic or trade or any other other kind of contact know about our court life?
Except we do trade with them. The incense used to kill our father comes from them
>We know absolutely nothing about them but they somehow know inner workings of the imperial palace?
I think this is a question QM can answer regarding to what extent the empire and our character actually knows about Lucenians. Our physician knows about the scientific properties of a significant religious tool of their culture so I assume resonable familiarity.
>Even if they would somehow know all that - why would they care?
If they find weakness, that means we'll be easier to attack and raid/annex/etc
>They are tribals. They live in mudhuts or some forest villages. They absolutely value combat and military prowess above high society parties and beauty pageants.
Don't underestimate our enemies. We are weak right now.
Our army just slapped back their huge raiding party and they are going to think less of us because we don't spend enough gold to come up with a new court position every week?
Our army is poorly equipped, supplied, and manned. We beat them back with heavy casualties and only through the constant sending of forces meant to protect the core. Your question is a strawman. It's obvious that we've cut more than that. I think you are being disingenuous.

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Anonymous ID:KVdB/Ej6 Tue 17 May 2022 01:26:29 No.5270588 Report

Quoted By: >>5270592 >>5270595

>>5270463
>autist gets angry when engaging with more socially skilled people

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Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Tue 17 May 2022 01:30:19 No.5270590 Report

Quoted By: >>5270609

>>5270576
I've watched the video in full and nothing that it said surprised me and, by extension, convinced me. I stand by my opinion that the lucenians would not know about the inner workings of our court and, even if they did, would not care that we went from gold to silver.

Yes merchants and diplomats will notice but they aren't lucenians and we've never and will never receive a delegation from them in our capital. Nobody is over estimating our abilities, in fact, I've been having to argue against anons that are constantly catastrophizing.

Helena is outgoing, personable and thrifty. Irene is cynical, brooding and blunt. Dominica is manipulative and catty. Why are you so certain, with the behaviour she's displayed, that she would act in our favor? This is what baffles me the most.

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Anonymous ID:4O7RXEH2 Tue 17 May 2022 01:32:02 No.5270592 Report

Quoted By: >>5270598 >>5270609 >>5270918

>>5270576
The Lucenians are fucking forest niggers ffs. They are tribals. TRIBALS. They are not some lordship or merchant republic.The have no diplomats or merchants at our court. They don't observe our court. Intimidating someone who is incapable of percieving your attempts doesn't work. Dominica had no clue what she was talking about.
Do you not understand that?
>>5270581
>Except we do trade with them. The incense used to kill our father comes from them
Some passing merchant managing to aquire some local weed ≠ the empire having a trade connection with the tribals. If a canadian sells cocaine to an american nobody says "America and Canada are engaging in drug trade".
>I think this is a question QM can answer regarding to what extent the empire and our character actually knows about Lucenians. Our physician knows about the scientific properties of a significant religious tool of their culture so I assume resonable familiarity.
I think you should read the quest before discussing it. It was said that Lucenians showed up in those lands relatively recently. The grass grew there before Lucenians showed up.
>If they find weakness, that means we'll be easier to attack and raid/annex/etc
What weakness? You are arguing for trying to scare a hedgehog with your bare ass. Tribals are not going to be impressed by wealth alone. Showing a purse full of coin to a bandit is just an invitation for him to rob you.
>Our army is poorly equipped, supplied, and manned.
And that is why we should start having more feasts. That will strengten our army. Totally.
>>5270588
You don't seem all that angry to me desu

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Anonymous ID:KVdB/Ej6 Tue 17 May 2022 01:34:52 No.5270594 Report

Quoted By: >>5270597

>>5270559
>All you have against the other options are their families, not their characters or actions.

Their families are one of the most important aspects of this, we're looking for a political marriage. Trying to find a "soulmate" should not be the objective here.

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Anonymous ID:YkhS8z2K Tue 17 May 2022 01:37:22 No.5270595 Report

Quoted By: >>5270600

>>5270588
>socially skilled
She lied to the Emperor's face and assumed he was stupid enough to be unknowledgeable of the churches in his own city. How socially skilled is she really when the Tism Emperor himself is able to call your bluff? There's simply not enough there, you can't convince me of her being a political savant for spouting some pretty words and lying through her teeth. Both Helena and Irene have clearly shown their ability and personality quite clearly, Demonica has not done the same.

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Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Tue 17 May 2022 01:38:57 No.5270597 Report

Quoted By:

>>5270594
You missed the entire point. OBVIOUSLY their families are important, that goes without saying. What I was pointing out is the lack of evidence that would point to them acting against our interests. Something Dominica has a lot more in comparison.

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Anonymous ID:KVdB/Ej6 Tue 17 May 2022 01:40:35 No.5270598 Report

Quoted By: >>5270602 >>5270607 >>5270918

>>5270592
>The Lucenians are fucking forest niggers ffs. They are tribals. TRIBALS. They are not some lordship or merchant republic.The have no diplomats or merchants at our court.

Supposing you are correct about the Lucenians, they will not be the only people we deal with in our reign, and likely will not be the most important. All of those other lands will see the reduced state of our court. It will have consequences.

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Anonymous ID:KVdB/Ej6 Tue 17 May 2022 01:42:45 No.5270600 Report

Quoted By: >>5270602 >>5270607

>>5270595
It was a passable bluff that we only saw through due to autistic religious focus, it was a fine attempt on her part.

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Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Tue 17 May 2022 01:45:33 No.5270602 Report

Quoted By: >>5270630

>>5270598
You've shifted the goal posts. The Lucenians not caring has been what we've been arguing for since the beggining. Other kingdoms and republics are a separate issue.

>>5270600
No it wasn't. She knew that the emperor was very religious and yet still attempted such an outrageuos lie in his exact area of expertise. If anything, she would've admitted ignorance since the lie had little benefit and was way too risky.

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Anonymous ID:4O7RXEH2 Tue 17 May 2022 01:49:09 No.5270607 Report

Quoted By: >>5270637

>>5270598
Well yeah. We play as the emperor of not!Byzantine empire. Our every decision is going to have lasting consequences.
Every choice has upsides and downsides. Were we to choose the Sun-king option we would have better relations with the nobls but more debts and less time to outline reforms. You gain some you lose some.
In any case I wasn't arguing about that. I was arguing about Dominica lying thorugh her teeth about Lucenians to the emperor's face. She is full of shit and she is not even clever about that.
>>5270600
It was a second transparently brazen lie. She is either stupid or lazy at this point.

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Anonymous ID:n7/eYY9j Tue 17 May 2022 01:52:42 No.5270609 Report

Quoted By: >>5270624 >>5270625 >>5270627

>>5270590
Anon. Our father was killed by poison, sold by Lucenians. One degree of separation from our court, and the person who did the deal was a traitor in service to our rebel uncle who bordered the Lucenians in the east. I don't think it is far fetched barring the networks of merchants and diplomats of which funnel information into the outside world.

The video in question talked extensively of how the Byzantines used the opulence of their court as propaganda to present the strength and prestige towards their enemies and vassal states. I think it applies to our foreign policy too.

>>5270592
>Some passing merchant
Actually, it was the Maniakes, the richest merchant family in the empire that acquired the incense. The Lucenians had one degree of separation from our court.
>It was said that Lucenians showed up in those lands relatively recently.
Yeah, and there was a decade for us to learn about the enemies assuming we didn't interact with them even before they migrated.
>What weakness? You are arguing for trying to scare a hedgehog with your bare ass. Tribals are not going to be impressed by wealth alone. Showing a purse full of coin to a bandit is just an invitation for him to rob you.
Or, it shows to them that we are not to be fucked with because these treasures we took by force. Because our economy dwarfs others. That carries a deterrent in regards to actually attempting to fight such a formidible enemy. The Romans had triumphs to flex on enemies looking within as much as it was for the citizens. Having bloody fights in the streets of the capital city isn't a sign of strength and robust political stability lmao.
>And that is why we should start having more feasts. That will strengten our army. Totally.
Not an argument.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:4O7RXEH2 Tue 17 May 2022 02:07:14 No.5270624 Report

Quoted By: >>5270652

>>5270609
>Actually, it was the Maniakes, the richest merchant family in the empire that acquired the incense.
Yeah anon. I am sure the Maniakes patriarch himself bout that grass. Or maybe his son. They totally didn't buy it from one of the merchants passing through that area or from some apothecary who had weed stash for his needs.
>The Lucenians had one degree of separation from our court.
I once shook hands with the local governor and he then shook hands with the president once. Holy shit! I have one degree of separation from the presidential office!
>Yeah, and there was a decade for us to learn about the enemies assuming we didn't interact with them even before they migrated.
I honestly have no clue what this sentence supposed to mean. Was grass in on the assasination plot? Should we arrest grass?
>Or, it shows to them that we are not to be fucked with because these treasures we took by force.
No it doesn't. Because they can't see it. Because they have no diplomats or merchants at our court. Because they don't observe our court. Because they are forest niggers.
>Not an argument.
It's a thing called sarcasm. Google it. It can be an argument. It was an argument in this case. You said our army was poorly equiped and I said that feasts are going to improve that situation. But I meant the opposite. Feasts are not going to improve our army in any way.
The more you know :^)

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Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Tue 17 May 2022 02:07:58 No.5270625 Report

Quoted By:

>>5270609
> Anon. Our father was killed by poison, sold by Lucenians. One degree of separation from our court, and the person who did the deal was a traitor in service to our rebel uncle who bordered the Lucenians in the east. I don't think it is far fetched barring the networks of merchants and diplomats of which funnel information into the outside world.
I don't discount the possibility that the Lucenian tribes are likely involved in the shenanigans that ocurred at the beginning of our reign. How that being true means that they would know or care about the wealth displayed at our court is another matter.

>The video in question talked extensively of how the Byzantines used the opulence of their court as propaganda to present the strength and prestige towards their enemies and vassal states. I think it applies to our foreign policy too.
Again, that goes without saying. Thing is, the Lucenians aren't analogous to ANY of the groups shown in the video. They are worse than the petty kingdoms that occupy the territory of the empire. Tribal pagan barbarians do not play by the same rules of feudal abrahamic realms.
>And that is why we should start having more feasts. That will strengten our army. Totally.
Not an argument.

His argument is that you're using the wrong tool for this job. Swords are the solution, not jewelry or feasts.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Tue 17 May 2022 02:11:22 No.5270627 Report

Quoted By: >>5270652

>>5270609
> Anon. Our father was killed by poison, sold by Lucenians. One degree of separation from our court, and the person who did the deal was a traitor in service to our rebel uncle who bordered the Lucenians in the east. I don't think it is far fetched barring the networks of merchants and diplomats of which funnel information into the outside world.
I don't discount the possibility that the Lucenian tribes are involved in the shenanigans that ocurred at the beginning of our reign. How that being true means that they would know or care about the wealth displayed at our court is another matter.

>The video in question talked extensively of how the Byzantines used the opulence of their court as propaganda to present the strength and prestige towards their enemies and vassal states. I think it applies to our foreign policy too.
Again, that goes without saying. Thing is, the Lucenians aren't analogous to ANY of the groups shown in the video. They are worse than the petty kingdoms that occupy the territory of the empire. Tribal pagan barbarians do not play by the same rules of feudal abrahamic realms.

>And that is why we should start having more feasts. That will strengten our army. Totally.
Not an argument.

His argument is that you're using the wrong tool for this job. Swords and armors are the solution, not jewelry or feasts.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:KVdB/Ej6 Tue 17 May 2022 02:14:10 No.5270630 Report

Quoted By: >>5270637

>>5270602
>You've shifted the goal posts

I'm not the anon you've been arguing with, and I raised a valid point whether you want to consider it a separate issue doesn't matter.

>“So you must have explored the city, had you visited the churches ?”
>“The churches ? Why yes. Of course, your majesty. Faith is incredibly important after all. As you yourself had always proclaimed, your majesty.” She says maintaining her small and charming smile.
>“Ah, so you must have heard the choir’s chant of his divine will sung every spring.” You reply smiling.
>“Though I am unfamiliar with the exact names of all prayers, I am certain that such a beautiful chant would be filling for the soul.”
>The only choir within the city is in the cathedral. You ponder her answer.

>outrageuos lie

Hmm, I'm not sure if we've all read the same thing here.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Tue 17 May 2022 02:18:08 No.5270637 Report

Quoted By: >>5270650

>>5270630
>I'm not the anon you've been arguing with, and I raised a valid point whether you want to consider it a separate issue doesn't matter.
I know. The point is valid but it is irrelevant as he >>5270607 pointed out in
>In any case I wasn't arguing about that. I was arguing about Dominica lying thorugh her teeth about Lucenians to the emperor's face. She is full of shit and she is not even clever about that.

>Outrageous lie
Point taken. Maybe outrageous is too hyperbolic, blatant is more accurate as to what I meant.

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Anonymous ID:KVdB/Ej6 Tue 17 May 2022 02:34:55 No.5270650 Report

Quoted By: >>5270662

>>5270637
>blatant is more accurate as to what I meant.

Is it even a lie?

>>“Though I am unfamiliar with the exact names of all prayers, I am certain that such a beautiful chant would be filling for the soul.”

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Anonymous ID:n7/eYY9j Tue 17 May 2022 02:35:03 No.5270652 Report

Quoted By: >>5270662 >>5270682

>>5270624
>They totally didn't buy it from one of the merchants passing through that area or from some apothecary who had weed stash for his needs.
You're just making stuff up at this point to obfuscate a real potential risk by association.

>I once shook hands with the local governor and he then shook hands with the president once. Holy shit! I have one degree of separation from the presidential office!
If you sold poison, of which then was used by the governor to kill the president is a more correct analogy I think lmao.
>I honestly have no clue what this sentence supposed to mean
You mentioned that the Lucenians are a relatively recent presence at our borders and that meant that we don't know anything about them. I said that there has a been a decade, so I can see us learning quite a bit in 10 years. The grass you mentioned also came from their homeland, not where they've migrated.
>No it doesn't. Because they can't see it. Because they have no diplomats or merchants at our court. Because they don't observe our court. Because they are forest niggers.
Spies exist, and I don't believe it has been explicitly stated that Lucenian merchants and diplomants aren't present in the Empire. Forest niggers are capable of strategy or subterfuge.
>Google it. It can be an argument.
It's a strawman. Strawmen are fallacious arguments. I never said that feasts would defeat them. But power projection can prevent conflicts or make our maneuvers and politics easier. You are right, it can be an argument. It's merely a bad one.

>>5270627
>How that being true means that they would know or care about the wealth displayed at our court is another matter.
Nothing definitive, but the Maniakes family might be leaking to them through the traitors. The Senators and courtiers might spread the word of which catches the ears of merchants. The servants let go might tell people of import. The traitor guards tell our uncle, our uncle tells Lucenians or individuals in his fief near the border. The list goes on and on. These circles aren't airtight for something so blatant.
>Thing is, the Lucenians aren't analogous to ANY of the groups shown in the video.
Decent points if this is the case, but I am inclined to see that these "rules" being a possibility just as much as not considering the parallels between this setting and our world and not an exact match

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Tue 17 May 2022 02:47:14 No.5270662 Report

Quoted By: >>5271108

>>5270650
Yes it is.
>“So you must have explored the city, had you visited the churches ?”
>“The churches ? Why yes. Of course, your majesty. Faith is incredibly important after all. As you yourself had always proclaimed, your majesty.” She says maintaining her small and charming smile.
She says she's visited the churches of the capital
>“Ah, so you must have heard the choir’s chant of his divine will sung every spring.” You reply smiling.
In other words, "So you must've visited the cathedral."
>“Though I am unfamiliar with the exact names of all prayers, I am certain that such a beautiful chant would be filling for the soul.”
An obfuscated "No I haven't." as evidenced by:
>The only choir within the city is in the cathedral. You ponder her answer.

>>5270652
I doubt that the relationship between the traitorous elements of the empire and the Lucenians is so transparent. If anything, it would be short and straightforward. "I have things you want, you have things I want. Let's make a deal"

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:4O7RXEH2 Tue 17 May 2022 03:10:20 No.5270682 Report

Quoted By: >>5270699

>>5270652
>You're just making stuff up at this point to obfuscate a real potential risk by association.
No you are the one who has been making stuff up for hours. Have you heard about the Occam's razor? Look it up along with sarcasm.
>If you sold poison, of which then was used by the governor to kill the president is a more correct analogy I think lmao.
We had no proof whatsoever that Maniakes family was involved with the assasination in the first place. We just used circumstantial evidence and our ex-ministers stupidity to push the suspicion onto them. Eunuch admitted guilt. That was a solid proof. Maniakes just happens to have trade routs through Lucenian territory. That doesn't mean that they bough poison or participated in the assasination. Me having a weapon doesn't automatically make me a suspect in every murder case in my vicinity.
>I said that there has a been a decade, so I can see us learning quite a bit in 10 years.
It's hard to learn much about people who try to capture and sacrifice you on sight. Also 10 years is not a long time at all for the middle ages.
>The grass you mentioned also came from their homeland, not where they've migrated.
The grass has no allegiances. Anyone can harvest it sell it and use it. Just because it grows where Lucenians live doesn't mean that it came directly from the tribes' chieftain.
>Spies
Are you trolling? It would be like Gauls having a spy in the Roman senate. Please if you are serious explain to me how would a pagan tribe get a spy into the imperial palace.
>I don't believe it has been explicitly stated that Lucenian merchants and diplomants aren't present in the Empire
"It wasn't ever explicitly stated that Manuel takes shit from time to time so I guess he doesn't". What a nice argument.
>sarcasm bad
k here i make it very simple for you - lucenians no care about fancy balls. they are not spooked by your balls. big or small doesn't matter. your balls do not project. you understand me now?
>bad argument
The lack of self-awareness on your part is astounding. It's so fucking tiresome honestly. Feels like I am trying to prove that unicorns don't exist.

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Anonymous ID:n7/eYY9j Tue 17 May 2022 03:31:37 No.5270699 Report

Quoted By: >>5270724

>>5270682
>No you are the one who has been making stuff up for hours. Have you heard about the Occam's razor? Look it up along with sarcasm.
Lol, context clues and making calculated decisions off of them isn't a bad thing. You on the other hand make strawmen because you can't address the crux of my arguments of why certain decisions are better to mitigate certain risks.
>We had no proof whatsoever that Maniakes family was involved with the assasination in the first place. We just used circumstantial evidence and our ex-ministers stupidity to push the suspicion onto them. Eunuch admitted guilt. That was a solid proof. Maniakes just happens to have trade routs through Lucenian territory. That doesn't mean that they bough poison or participated in the assasination. Me having a weapon doesn't automatically make me a suspect in every murder case in my vicinity.
When we make decisions, we want to calculate risk and how to mitigate them. We may not have definitive evidence, but neither do we that our Uncle's family would try anything in the future. Even then, we had to take preemptivie measures to prevent threats to our power. The Maniakes, the Lucenian, and their association and proximity to the conspiracy means that they are a threat that must be contained and destroyed. I prefer to be proactive. If Maniaes has trade routes to Lucenian territories that is another facet of concern. If you don't think so, we can agree to disagree. I suppose one of us will be proven right.

It's hard to learn much about people who try to capture and sacrifice you on sight. Also 10 years is not a long time at all for the middle ages.
It's enough where our physician knew about the the cultural significance of a plant native to their homeland.
>The grass has no allegiances.
No, but it's a cause for concern where it came from and potential threats that it poses.
>It would be like Gauls having a spy in the Roman senate
The German Armenius destroyed several Roman legions by betraying them after serving years as a Roman soldier.
>"It wasn't ever explicitly stated that Manuel takes shit from time to time so I guess he doesn't".
Again, we make decisions with the context and clues we are given and what we lack. Not being proactive because it wasn't explicitly stated is bad practice. Dilligence is a virtue.
>lucenians no care about fancy balls.
Assumption on your part that is contrary to the historical use of power projection in noble courts.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:4O7RXEH2 Tue 17 May 2022 03:54:05 No.5270724 Report

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>>5270699
>You on the other hand make strawmen because you can't address the crux of my arguments of why certain decisions are better to mitigate certain risks.
I didn't make any strawmen. I addressed every single one of your arguments in good faith. If you can't understand what I am saying it's your problem not mine.
>neither do we that our Uncle's family would try anything in the future.
It's not the same at all lol. The very existence of our uncle's family is a guaranteed threat. Regardless of their intentions any powerful enough noble or general could just use them. Maniakes however were never proven to pose any threat to us. They could pose it theoretically but then so could all the great noble houses and Isaac and the Patriarch. Should we kill them all as well? Let's not go our father's rout maybe?
Also our cousin admitted to knowing about revolt but doing nothing. They were guilty. The correct decision would be to kill them all but I didn't vote for it cause I felt it would be out of character for Manuel.
>the Lucenian, and their association and proximity to the conspiracy means that they are a threat that must be contained and destroyed
No objections to that.
>The Maniakes
A step too far. They are incredibly useful right now. Maybe later when they stop being useful.
>It's enough where our physician knew about the the cultural significance of a plant native to their homeland.
And where do you think he learned about it? Was he also in the contact with Lucenians? Or maybe he just got the information and the grass itself from a travelling merchant? Which one seems to be more likely?
>The German Armenius destroyed several Roman legions by betraying them after serving years as a Roman soldier.
But was he aware of the Roman court happenings? Somehow I doubt it. Come on anon it's clearly a completely different case. It would be like if mercenaries we sent against Luceans betrayed us and led our troops into an ambush. They wouldn't know shit about our court.
>Assumption on your part that is contrary to the historical use of power projection in noble courts.
Anon please. Lucenians are not petty kings or merchant republics or feudal lords. They are tribals. Like celtic tribes or gaul tribes or australian aboriginals. No matter how impressive your courtroom is it will not awe them into not attacking you. The power projection is a good thing but different peoples will react differently to different sources of power projection.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:5C3NZcKs Tue 17 May 2022 05:02:53 No.5270787 Report

Quoted By: >>5271005

>>5270515
If it weren't for the delay we would never have found out that Irene was actually a fellow autist nor would we have confirmed that Dominica is indeed full of shit. I don't think we can really uncover anything else at this point and might as well stop delaying it.

Helena has two main problems. Firstly is her family who is deeply invested in the corruption that we wish to weed out in our reforms which is very problematic for us especially due to how much Helena cares for them and they will use this. Secondly is player choices that clash against her and us having far inferior social skills. Mainly comes down to us being autist whose choices are problematic when dealing with her. If we had made different choices there wouldn't be any problems. So we screwed ourselves over. Most important of all is the fact that Helena has superior social skills AND reasons to not be solely loyal to the Emperor. That is a huge problem for an autist Emperor.

Irene is a fellow autist so this means we don't have to worry about her manipulating us via superior social acumen. She is also a lot more callous and cold than even the MC but without the piety to shield her reputation. Her own family bonds are also weak and she will favor us over them. Her biggest problem is her impersonal skills. The problem is the MC is so damned autistic it's very dangerous for us to have a wife who is much better at it than we are(see practically all of them because Manual is an autist) because she can use it to run circles around the MC. This isn't a problem for us when dealing with Irene which is huge and the only one we don't have to worry about such risks.

Dominica is a lying bitch who is goddamn blatant about it that even the autist emperor himself caught onto her act. She has also never been forthright and is constantly conniving while blatantly lying about being a good wife when clearly acting like a deceitful snake. I cannot even say a nice thing about her she is such a terrible option. Unlike the other two whom I can point out the benefits and drawbacks. Dominica is nothing but drawbacks unless you consider her family a good deal in which case we can literally choose any other noble family and still get that kind of perks but with a better wife package involved.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:1uGFN88D Tue 17 May 2022 07:39:13 No.5270918 Report

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>>5270515
eh i don't consider it really a delay. Courting is traditional for nobles, beside we are learning new things about them and their region of the empire.
For example we have a far better picture of Tarrizans now, than the start. Also we know something of the ladies and are more familiar, i highly prefer it to an immediate marriage.

>>5270598
>>5270592
Yeah they can see the reduced the state of our court but well. They also did see the court of our father, and they looked around too like they look around with us as well.
Meaning they did see the empire in quite a weak state, while the imperial court was in a bubble of hyper luxury. That is not really a good sign, add that our father killed anyone that he consider a threat and that he exterminated the entire espionage section of the state. And it just looks not that strong, cool bubble but around it not so convincing.
Now instead, the court might be less luxurious but the empire outside is beginning to be repaired/restored. That s something people will notice, has much as our court. Perhaps even faster, with things like the navy being strong again. And Manuel not being too bloodthirsty/paranoid like his predecessor.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Tue 17 May 2022 10:33:49 No.5271005 Report

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>>5270787

What the fuck are you talking about? Do you genuinely believe that there is even one noble house that does not embezzle part of its taxes? When we began to reign we discovered that there was no navy or army, at least not a functional one to protect the Empire for themselves. Why the fuck would nobles be loyal to an empire that can't protect them when it matters?

The metric of how to measure a family's loyalty within the empire would be, if they have a better alternative, do you think Helena's family would have a better deal if any other faction took the Isles? If they survive the invasion in the first place, the problem is not corruption, the problem is the lack of reasons not to be corrupt.

Can we change this? Can we provide incentives that shift nobles' attitude from disenchantment with the Empire to loyalty? Yes but declaring war against the richest and most powerful families is not the way, with better policies, with benefits for them to justify paying their taxes, and of course with realistic punishments for those who insist on continuing even after the changes. Attacking one of the families most interested in the stability of the empire for its own survival, doesn't seem useful to me, maybe their opinion will help us solve this without a second Civil War.

>But she's better than us with her social skills.
Yes and Armentarius has better combat abilities than us, what did we do? We learned from him! If we're going to live, talk, and if all goes well, fuck Helena every day, why wouldn't we learn better social skills? Is it really possible to live with this type of person for a period of time without learning anything?

>Seriously, I can't understand how you can only see the most negative side possible of this choice.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iAZzE8WF Tue 17 May 2022 12:43:21 No.5271108 Report

Quoted By: >>5271325 >>5271327

>>5270662
Is it sung 24/7 all spring? Does she necessarily know the name of it? Say she hadn't visited the cathedral, she was asked if she visited churches. She may very well have been to some for one reason or another. Do you understand what I'm getting at here?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Tue 17 May 2022 17:25:00 No.5271325 Report

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>>5271108
>Is it sung 24/7 all spring?
At visiting hours in the cathedral? Yes. Otherwise, Manuel's observation doesn't make any sense.

>Does she necessarily know the name of it?
She doesn't need to. If she had visited the churches, she wouldn't have heard any choir. She thought there were multiple chants at the various churches in the capital not knowing that only the cathedral has one. She tried to hide the lie in ignorance but that same ignorance revealed the lie.

>Say she hadn't visited the cathedral, she was asked if she visited churches.
She may very well have been to some for one reason or another.
She hasn't been in the churches.

>Do you understand what I'm getting at here?
Yes, and you're not doing it very well.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Tue 17 May 2022 17:27:48 No.5271327 Report

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>>5271108
>Is it sung 24/7 all spring?
At visiting hours in the cathedral? Yes. Otherwise, Manuel's observation doesn't make any sense.

>Does she necessarily know the name of it?
She doesn't need to. If she had visited the churches, she wouldn't have heard any choir. She thought there were multiple chants at the various churches in the capital not knowing that only the cathedral has one. She tried to hide the lie in ignorance but that same ignorance revealed the lie.

>Say she hadn't visited the cathedral, she was asked if she visited churches. She may very well have been to some for one reason or another.
She hasn't been in the churches.

>Do you understand what I'm getting at here?
Yes, and you're not doing it very well.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iAZzE8WF Tue 17 May 2022 17:28:29 No.5271328 Report

Quoted By: >>5271331

>>5271325
>At visiting hours in the cathedral? Yes.

Provide proofs, it is already established he's an autistic retard, it isn't safe to make reasonable assumptions.

>She hasn't been in the churches.

Proofs

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Tue 17 May 2022 17:32:48 No.5271331 Report

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>>5271328
I've already answered both of these questions

>Provide proofs, it is already established he's an autistic retard, it isn't safe to make reasonable assumptions.
"...Otherwise, Manuel's observation doesn't make any sense." And him being autistic doesn't make him unreasonable.

>Proofs
"If she had visited the churches, she wouldn't have heard any choir. She thought there were multiple chants at the various churches in the capital not knowing that only the cathedral has one. She tried to hide the lie in ignorance but that same ignorance revealed the lie."

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Wed 18 May 2022 15:46:07 No.5272365 Report

Quoted By: >>5272420

Infastructure:

Balance 11

Cheap 7

Expensive 2

New protasekretis:

Foreigner 1

Senator 10

Examinee 7

Socially highest examinee 2

So you will take out medium/small loans to address the most immediate infrastructural issues. And to oversee the distribution, collection, and cataloguing of funding to a senator.

Writing.

>>5269001

>Also, Newb, what was the hypothetical Staurakius wife like?

A learned woman, but not autistic like Manuel.

>>5270581

>I think this is a question QM can answer regarding to what extent the empire and our character actually knows about Lucenians. Our physician knows about the scientific properties of a significant religious tool of their culture so I assume resonable familiarity.

The Lucenians as an identifiable group had come around to being ~70 years ago. They had proven to be exceptionally warlike unlike the tribal federation they had replaced and always harassed the empire. A decade or so back they successfully invaded the empire and took a good chuck of it for themselves. So, there is a general understanding of their culture and world outlook. Trade with them had always been profitable, when the empire wasn’t fighting them, as they would offer excellent collections of slaves and fine bows. And the herb had existed for longer than the Lucenians.

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Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Wed 18 May 2022 16:29:36 No.5272420 Report

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>>5272365
>Taking out more loans on top of our already massive debt
>Managed by a likely corrupt / incompetent / insubordinate senator
I sincerely hope I do not get the opportunity to say "I told you so".

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Wed 18 May 2022 18:40:18 No.5272555 Report

Quoted By: >>5272558

“Have the process expediated. Repair everything that can be repaired and rebuild only what is strictly necessary. Send those orders to the work crews and their overseers. As for the funding.” You sigh. “Take out what loans are needed. The new [i:lit]protasekretis[/i:lit] (first secretary) will secure them.”

“Have you made up your mind on the new candidate, your majesty ?” Asks your [i:lit]kanikleiou[/i:lit] (keeper of the imperial inkstand).

“We have. A return to tradition, perhaps. We shall appoint a senator to the position.”

“The senate should be pleased.”

[blue]And they should be distracted by their own infighting to acquire such a position.[/blue] You think whilst nodding along.

Thinking about it. With summer soon to come, the senate shall gather again, there, you will announce your last piece of administrative reform, at least for now, the one which may cause the most backlash to date – splitting civil and martial governance.
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The senate had finally assembled once more at the beginning of summer, the usual intended assembly time, had you not called for it months earlier.

A large ensemble of the most influential men within the empire had once more gathered to hear the words of their emperor and his decisions for the future of the empire.

“Hear our words !” You say raising your tone.

“We hear !” responds the senate.

“In this year of our lord, ten eighty-four, we, Manuel, first of our name, proclaim this senate session open. And we proclaim new decrees upon the senate and the empire. We proclaim for the senate to locate an individual fitting for the position of [i:lit]protasekretis[/i:lit] (first secretary).”

Instantly, the senate is covered by the noise of hushed whispers and discussions. If nothing else, the news of a new appointment seems to have encouraged the senators, with quite the gusto, to begin conversing amongst themselves.

[blue]Time to strike whilst the mood is high.[/blue]

“Next.” You say, cutting off the noise. “We proclaim that henceforth, as a part of our reforms, we proclaim that the position of [i:lit]kyvernítis[/i:lit] (governor) shall be in command of the civil matters of [i:lit]théma[/i:lit] (placement, district) and a new [i:lit]strategos[/i:lit] (General) shall rule besides him, being in charge of military matters. In times of peace, the [i:lit]kyvernítis[/i:lit] shall be in total command. In times of war, the [i:lit]strategos[/i:lit] (General) shall be in command.”

This time, the proclamation is met by utter silence. [i:lit]Prōtoproedros[/i:lit] (senior president) Leontius rises from his seat.

Standing in the middle of the chamber, upon the raised podium, he bows deeply before proclaiming.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Wed 18 May 2022 18:41:20 No.5272558 Report

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>>5272555

“Your majesty. Such a, [i:lit][b:lit]split[/b:lit][/i:lit], is unprecedented. Not only that, would this not go against your majesty’s ideals for a more efficient administration ? This would further burden the administration, cause miscommunication and slow down the overall process of governance of the empire. It had always been tradition, that those that rule should also know how to wage war. It is a sacred duty, passed down by the Shepherd himself. Had he not held his blade so that he could protect the flock he had been mandated by God to defend ? Your majesty, please reconsider this matter.”

“Is this the will of the senate ?” You say questionably, looking over the various gathered individuals.

“It is, your majesty.” Rises one. “You are correct, your majesty.” Says another. “That is indeed the senate’s will, your majesty.” And so on and so forth, perhaps inspired by the last, more and more senators rise, until finally, every last one is standing. Avoiding your gaze, as they should, but looking upon you nonetheless.

“We have heard your will, and we shall consider it.” You say noncommittedly.

“We hope you will consider our advice, your majesty.” Leontius says before bowing, and retreating to his position.

The rest of the senatorial meeting continues on. With minor proclamations and reports about the happenings across the empire. You intently listen to the minutia of the dealings of the past year.

And it is not good news. The past winter, and the winters past that had been freezing. The summers prior had been blistering. An overall decrease in crop output had seen your inland provinces importing an ever-increasing number of foodstuffs from your ocean facing provinces.

Issues of religious matters had also been flaring about religious divides. Currently, a policy of ambivalence seems to reign across the imperial bureaucracy. Everyone seems entirely content to simply sit it out and see where the winds blow. An unnerving realization that so much of the empire seems willing to tolerate heretical thoughts. Belief that the angel that guided the Shepherd is in fact, not an angel, but a holy spirit that had a portion of God’s will, guiding his once and future heir to achieve divine providence.

Everything else discussed seems to be simple matters of state, nothing else particularly stands out to you.

Eventually the meeting begins to draw to a close.

And the entire senate chamber sits in silence.

They all wait for your proclamation, whether or not you will adhere to their advice.

>Push through the reform.

>Back down, you pushed the senate far enough.

>Perhaps they forgot who their emperor is ? Execute a few for charges of corruption, you have the evidence after all. Then push through the reform.

>(Write in)

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Mk8wxxdk Wed 18 May 2022 18:44:46 No.5272565 Report

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>>5272558
>>Perhaps they forgot who their emperor is ? Execute a few for charges of corruption, you have the evidence after all. Then push through the reform.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:vSe1EZ2q Wed 18 May 2022 18:50:36 No.5272574 Report

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>>5272558
>Push through the reform.
>It had always been tradition, that those that rule should also know how to wage war. It is a sacred duty, passed down by the Shepherd himself.
Yes, but hasn't it also been a tradition to be a pious and competent administrator?
It looks like you may be a good district commander!

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Wed 18 May 2022 19:31:19 No.5272628 Report

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>>5272558

QM what individuals exactly would we be executing, from which houses?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:gJYXOj/y Wed 18 May 2022 20:15:31 No.5272675 Report

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>>5272558
>>Back down, you pushed the senate far enough.

They're right you know.

Look at the pathetic state of the world as we know it should you want proof.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Wed 18 May 2022 20:16:01 No.5272678 Report

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>>5272628

None of the greater houses, unless specified otherwise.

Captcha PRAYY

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:gJYXOj/y Wed 18 May 2022 20:18:05 No.5272679 Report

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Perhaps an expanded standing army would be a good idea, but this is just going to create more problems than it will fix and piss everyone off.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Wed 18 May 2022 20:32:13 No.5272689 Report

Quoted By: >>5272710 >>5273329

>>5272558

Fuck, we have to reform the spies, the army, and resolve this religious conflict before ignoring the senate like this. We have to reduce the power of these snobbish nobles when we have the chance.

>Back down, you pushed the senate far enough.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:FBQSO30m Wed 18 May 2022 20:35:21 No.5272692 Report

Quoted By: >>5272708 >>5272930 >>5273554

>>5272558
>Push through the reform.
No fear

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Wed 18 May 2022 20:55:23 No.5272708 Report

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>>5272692

Just in case you're not paying attention, ALL noble houses unanimously agreed to one answer. If we force this reform, we will have two rebellions to stop, except that we spend the necessary silver to recruit the army for this war, building roads.
And the army has already proven that they won't intervene in a civil war, just as they didn't get involved when our uncle invaded the Imperial Capital.

>It's not fear, it's a lack of money.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Du4o6Ec2 Wed 18 May 2022 20:57:31 No.5272710 Report

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>>5272558
>>Back down, you pushed the senate far enough.
they're right. take away their military executive powers and every single province will be asking for our head within weeks.
>>5272689
>Fuck, we have to reform the spies, the army, and resolve this religious conflict before ignoring the senate like this
this, we need our debt payed off, followed by a standing army reform to tip the scales in our favor.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:uodgeWY4 Wed 18 May 2022 21:27:32 No.5272732 Report

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>>5272558
>Back down, you pushed the senate far enough.

We'll come back to this when we are stronger, we have time.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n7/eYY9j Thu 19 May 2022 00:23:32 No.5272923 Report

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>>5272558
>Back down, you pushed the senate far enough.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:5C3NZcKs Thu 19 May 2022 00:30:17 No.5272930 Report

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>>5272558
>Back down, you pushed the senate far enough.
We are not powerful enough to fight all the nobles at the same time.

>>5272692
And crush their rebellion with what armies? The army has already shown they are not willing to get involved in civil wars. Every single noble house has a standing army. For once all the nobles have stopped squabbling among themselves and actually agreed on something. So we cannot do shit or they will kill us. So this part of the reforms we will have to drop until later when we are powerful enough to force it through and live.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:P3ykPPyR Thu 19 May 2022 01:07:54 No.5272956 Report

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>Back down
The senate is the senate, they'll think of crowning an emperor who will listen to them if their voice is trivialized. We can still revisit this when we are in a better position.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:gd7UYxWq Thu 19 May 2022 01:38:58 No.5272985 Report

Quoted By: >>5273329

>>5272558
>Back down, you pushed the senate far enough.
We're not in a position yet where we can push through whatever we want. Easy does it.

I do however want to at least have some certification that these governors know how to wage war, and are competent. Perhaps asking Isaac for some experienced men to take a look? I'm not sure how to go about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:xc+fWeBL Thu 19 May 2022 03:02:22 No.5273062 Report

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>>5272558
>Push through the reform.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Qy5+NkD8 Thu 19 May 2022 03:08:59 No.5273071 Report

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>>5272558
>Back down, you pushed the senate far enough

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Thu 19 May 2022 05:42:28 No.5273244 Report

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>>5272558
>Push through the reform.
Backing down now will only embolden them to push back on us and subvert our reforms. Now isn’t the time to be showing weakness.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UXWZIJJt Thu 19 May 2022 06:08:35 No.5273276 Report

Quoted By: >>5273548 >>5273554 >>5273743

>>5272558
>>(Write in)
>Debate
ask them would not the doubling of the ruling position not benefit them? Wouldn't this be opportunity for Rulers many sons? hasn't the system we have now failed us and let the Lucenians steal our land?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:1uGFN88D Thu 19 May 2022 07:58:38 No.5273329 Report

Quoted By: >>5273548 >>5273738

>>5272558
>Back down, you pushed the senate far enough.
It is unfortunate, but we will need to back down for a moment. I hate doing this because they will think that they can now attempt and bite a bit more than what they can chew. It will no doubt slow our reforms.
I don't expect them to choose anyone useful for the secretary position. Or that we can trust withactual work theempire needsto be done. I suggest for now to only give him small tasks, instead of any of the greater things. If he can't do that he will remain for a few months while we do evenhis job, then we replace him with someone else.
From what I've seen so far I doubt most of them held the blade or protected the flock. If anything they preyed on it and they keep avoiding doing their actual duties, has seen from the border attack (we didn't heard of a single noble joining the soldiers for fight the Lucenians, be on defense or counter attack) or when our guys where looking around for the state of infrastructure, and found not just bad infrastructure but even bandits bands looting on the imperial roads. Our uncle was in their exact position, he used that power administration/military to go and fight us.

>>5272985
No offense but they will immediately start to cry like the little bitches they are, it is a waste of time doing that. I prefer to not give Isaac the burden of babysitting some noble sycophants and degenerates (and they even tolerate heretics) that do nothing. Is far better if we leave him doing his duties, and aid us in getting the army back in shape.
Maybe if we make something like military competitions of sorts (thinks tourneys/great melees ecc..), where there is prestige and some prize to be won they might think of putting some effort.
But this kind of events don't come cheap. And if they still sit on their seats while enemies arrive, it doesn't matter much if they won some competitions and their egos are satisfied.

>>5272689
More than reform spies, we need to make them from 0. The positive is that they would be brand new.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:gd7UYxWq Thu 19 May 2022 13:21:19 No.5273548 Report

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>>5273276
I would support this, but alas, it is too late for the tide to turn.

>>5273329
We shouldn't just accept whoever the Senate appoints to the position. Interview him ourselves, and if we find him wanting send him back and demand someone competent. The Senate will still be selecting someone, we will just force them to choose someone who fits the job.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:FBQSO30m Thu 19 May 2022 13:24:48 No.5273554 Report

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>>5272558
Fine you cowards
I'll change from this >>5272692
to >>5273276
Probably too late but still better than just backing down

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Thu 19 May 2022 16:13:23 No.5273738 Report

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>>5273329

Frankly, the same could be said of the army, I don't feel safe with a noble leading the Imperial legion.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:o9wRVd/g Thu 19 May 2022 16:19:56 No.5273743 Report

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>>5273276
Supporting

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:AecUSeOZ Thu 19 May 2022 16:30:06 No.5273751 Report

Quoted By: >>5274575

>>5272558
Probably wasn't a good idea to ask them all to unanimously stand up against us. Not that we had the choice.
>(Write in)
Postpone the reform on grounds that the current economic issues will not allow such things to occur at this moment.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:2kzqplVe Thu 19 May 2022 20:33:27 No.5273984 Report

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>>5272558
>Back down, you pushed the senate far enough.

Their too united

We can try this again in a few years

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:chbsptMy Fri 20 May 2022 03:19:09 No.5274367 Report

Quoted By: >>5274575

>write in but eventually back down.

Ask to speak to each senator one on one and let it seem like they slowly convinced us in the end. Separate them after talking to us.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Fri 20 May 2022 07:06:38 No.5274575 Report

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Execution time 1

Push through 3

Back down 12

Debate 3

>>5273751 Write in 1

>>5274367 Write in 1

Writing.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Fri 20 May 2022 11:49:07 No.5274714 Report

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You rise from your throne and look over the Senate chamber. None of the senators meet your gaze, but look upon the platform nonetheless.

“We had heard your advice.” You say with an even tone. “And we had decided to listen to the wisdom of the senate.” You proclaim.

Rising from their seats, the senators begin proclaiming “The Emperor is wise.”, “Long live the Emperor” and other empty platitudes.

Raising your arm, you silence the gathered men. “We call an end to this meeting of the senate.” Saying so, you turn about and begin to depart the chamber as conversation ensues within the senate. No doubt discussing your new reform attempt and the position of [i:lit]protasekretis[/i:lit] (first secretary).
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Orders are loudly shouted, intermixed with a plethora of curses. The sound of a sail being unfurled and then stretched by the wind quickly silences the captain’s shouting.

“Your majesty, this is the first [i:lit]dromōn[/i:lit] (runner) of our make. A fast vessel, built specifically for war. Ships such as these had always formed the backbone of the imperial navy.” Proudly proclaims the shipwright.

You watch as the swift, sleek vessel easily splits the waves, now caught by the wind, supported by excellent roars and sailors it moves faster than even the fasted of warhorse could ride upon land. Perhaps only those able of flight could travel faster.

“We congratulate you on your work. Tell us, had there been any problems of the ship’s construction ?”

“Minor issues, your majesty. The lack of experienced had hindered us quite the bit. Broken boards, too much or too little work done upon the various parts. Growing pains, your majesty. Eventually the workers will become skilled enough to rival even the Tarrizans.” He goes silent, before continuing awkwardly. “That is, uh, should your majesty continue to endorse the naval construction.”

“Worry not. The naval reconstruction is a priority to us. Tell your men that their emperor is proud of their work and they have much more work to do.” You smile at the man.

“Thank you, your majesty.” He says bowing deeply and departing your presence.

You turn back to watch the ocean, the warship moving ever further away, its size becoming smaller and smaller. The first of your many reforms is slowly bearing fruit, given enough time, your mighty fleet shall control the ocean.

“Your majesty.” Calls out one of your guards.

You turn to regard him. “A diplomat from Akeoinians has arrived to the palace.” He says, pointing towards a merchant ship within the harbour.

Now you notice a banner of a golden lion, with a crown above its brow, set in a red background. The snarling face of the lion glares at you, wielding a sword and an oar in its paws.
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NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Fri 20 May 2022 11:50:09 No.5274716 Report

Quoted By: >>5274717 >>5274765 >>5274842

>>5274714

You sit upon the throne, dressed in your most regal clothing, your diadem sparkling as sunlight impacts it. Four dozen guards stand at the sides of the room. What few courtiers remain, those that are already parts of the administration and day-to-day management of the empire, stand beneath the throne.”

The door at the far end of the chamber swings open. The foreign barbarian is dressed in a colourful selection. His boots are black and high, with golden buckles set upon them, they seem to be made out fine dark leather. His pants are a split between golden yellow and brilliant red, with each colour dominating one side. The torso is equally split between red and yellow, mirroring his pants. Threads of red upon gold, threads of gold upon red are worked into the jacket. Rubies are worked into the sleeves upon the gold, yellow topazes upon the red. Finally, all of this is topped by a brilliant red hat, with a yellow feather sticking out of it.

The man’s face has a well-trimmed and kept beard with a thick, curling moustache above his lips. His skin tone is relatively similar to your own, if a bit paler. His eyes are a brilliant light brown, similar to the colour of his facial hair.

Carrying himself with dignity, he begins approaching the throne. This brings up hushed whispers from your courtiers and causes your men to grip their blades. Ignoring all of them, he continues his walk. A walk, that should have never been done. To approach the emperor for audience whilst not kowtowing is a grave insult, punishable by death.

Your eyes narrow watching the man approach, as he actually meets your gaze and unflinchingly continues his approach. Eventually, he does approach the throne, removing his fine hat, revealing well-groomed hair underneath, he bows before rising.

“Emperor of Thephians, I am Count Durant Dufour, sent here on behalf of King Tedwin de La Mare.”

[blue]Man who claims to be king upon stolen land.[/blue] You think, your mood becoming increasingly worse.

You eye Gallienus.

“Their Imperial Majesty, Manuel Angelus, shall listen to your pleas, [i:lit]barbaroi[/i:lit] Dufour.” He responds, not respecting the man’s given title.

“Their royal majesty, in their benevolence, had decided to send their demands like civilized men, rather than taking by force. Their royal majesty demands for the secession of the silk isles to their protection. Their majesty also desires to arrange a marriage between the Emperor of Thephians to be born daughter and his youngest of sons.” He proclaims. “Should I not return in month’s time, this shall be considered an act of war.”

Your courtiers are completely silent, their expressions contorted with rage. Your guards are also in the process of drawing their weapons.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Fri 20 May 2022 11:51:10 No.5274717 Report

>>5274716

>Accept the demands. Holding the isles would be a farfetched dream.

>Decline the demands. Allow him to leave with his head intact.

>Decline the demands. Allow him to leave, but cut out his tongue.

>Decline the demands. Kill the wretch for his insults.

>(Write in)

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:1hOcm9Al Fri 20 May 2022 11:53:19 No.5274719 Report

Quoted By: >>5275216

>>5274717
>Decline the demands. Allow him to leave, but cut out his tongue.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:B8WkQ91q Fri 20 May 2022 12:46:48 No.5274744 Report

Quoted By: >>5274975 >>5276577

>>5274717
>>Decline the demands. Kill the wretch for his insults.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Mk8wxxdk Fri 20 May 2022 12:48:48 No.5274748 Report

Quoted By:

>>5274717
>>Decline the demands. Allow him to leave with his head intact.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:1uGFN88D Fri 20 May 2022 13:26:06 No.5274762 Report

Quoted By: >>5274975

>>5274717
>>Decline the demands. Kill the wretch for his insults.
I knew it the Akeoinians would begin to look at the islands with greed, this means war. We will need to redirect the infrastructure efforts for prepare for a defensive war. A shame, well at least one great family should aid us greatly since is their lands at risk.
Funds, Mercs and mercs ships would be appreciated.
In regard to the reactions of ours to the messenger, this might have an effect, on possible future relations with the westerners.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:RxboxJZr Fri 20 May 2022 13:28:38 No.5274765 Report

Quoted By: >>5274884

>>5274716
>Their majesty also desires to arrange a marriage between the Emperor of Thephians to be born daughter and his youngest of sons.
We aren't even married yet. What if we have no daughters?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:RxboxJZr Fri 20 May 2022 13:29:53 No.5274766 Report

Quoted By: >>5275438

>>5274717
>Decline the demands. Allow him to leave, but cut out his tongue.
Killing the messenger is mean. Cutting his tongue out is both a mercy and a message.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Rx0+7utS Fri 20 May 2022 13:33:26 No.5274771 Report

Quoted By: >>5274884 >>5275189

>>5274717
>Decline the demands. Shave him bald and shave his mustache and beard.
>Ask him why he wants the Silk Isles and how he even except us to give away our unborn children while we aren't even married yet?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:gd7UYxWq Fri 20 May 2022 13:48:23 No.5274782 Report

Quoted By: >>5274793 >>5274884

>>5274717
>Accept the demands. Inform the silk isles that the Akeoinians are coming to take their lands, and we are sending the imperial navy to ensure they do not leave our domain. Begin ramping up production of the navy as much as possible.
Come on guys, all warfare is based on deception. If the Akeoinians don't think we'll fight and we do, we will have the advantage.

Also, while we will likely have to take out loans to fund this war, I think the increase in debt will be the only major issue as I doubt anyone's stupid enough to start anything (except the zealots, maybe) while the most important province in the empire is at stake. We are, rather luckily, in an unenviable position that nobody should want to inherit.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:RxboxJZr Fri 20 May 2022 13:55:06 No.5274793 Report

Quoted By:

>>5274782
I dunno anon. That seems like it'd be a prestige hit for us.
>zealots
You really think zealots are going to start shit when the pious emperor is at war with heretics?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:uabuEMdZ Fri 20 May 2022 15:09:32 No.5274842 Report

Quoted By: >>5274975

>>5274716
>>Decline the demands. Kill the wretch for his insults

Carry his head into the senate and announce what has occurred to them.

Confiscate the ship, immediately send orders for our navy to begin attacking and seizing any Akeonian vessel they find, post bounties for Akeonian ships.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:1uGFN88D Fri 20 May 2022 15:47:51 No.5274884 Report

Quoted By:

>>5274765
>>5274771
I think I have some believable answers for both.
Silk Islands, we have learned through the quest that make a lot of money, and have a unique resource that has not been found/replicated anywhere else in the world. Is the same place where the family of Helena lives and rules. Is simple why he wants them. His new kingdom gets richer and has a unique resource, while we get weaker and lose said unique resource.
The second, first we don't say we aren't married yet (it s not his fucking business, especially after this offenses). And well he .... simply expects it to happen in the future, he can just use one of our little cousins as well if we don't have any girls of our own. Manuel is fairly young and doesn't look bad, so he probably imagines we will make a bunch of kids soon. The true point of course is not about kids or marriages, it is for pressing the claim of such union, since his son would look "legitimate". Of course he forgets the part where he is a barbarian, and an heretic maybe he imagines it resolves itself with the marriage.

>>5274782
I would prefer to not use our words. The words of an emperor are important, in our case even more since being pious and a good ruler is not just an act for us. And it does help us. If we had spies we might have done something else, but next time for those.
It is also a big gamble and the Akeonians might still check there aren't surprises waiting for them, even with our words. I would prefer if we ask the House of Kurkuas to aid the empire in the war since it is their land at risk. So we can get the navy more ready (or expand it with mercs), and likely even a bit of the army.
Like another anon said the Akeonians are heretics (they arrive from the west if i recall correctly), currently likely only the empire and magnates have the same faith. The west is heretics, east are pagans.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:1uGFN88D Fri 20 May 2022 15:57:25 No.5274894 Report

Quoted By: >>5274930

And yes there is also another use for this union for the de La Mare family, the Akeonians don't rule over just their own barbarian people that arrived from the west. They rule even over the imperials that still live in the south island. The de La Mare royal family and the nobles under it could look less like barbarians, with some emperor blood in their veins making internal stability a bit easier to handle. Less revolts, less rebellions, less help toward any attempt of reconquest from our empire from local imperials.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:S1Wf1zxT Fri 20 May 2022 16:20:51 No.5274915 Report

Quoted By: >>5274930 >>5274975 >>5274976 >>5275028 >>5276262

>>5274717
>Decline the demands. Kill the wretch for his insults.
The silk islands are one of the only things we have left. We have to hold on to them at all costs.

If we're going to fight, we need to start talking strategy and our approach to this. The Akies are fearsome naval opponents and absolutely roflstomped us last time (and killed the Emperor before our dad in the process), and it's unlikely they'll have fallen off much since then. Our fledgling rebuilt navy, while good, is small and it is doubtful they could stand up to the Akeoinian sledgehammer even with an accelerated naval program, considering they are noted to be able to pull huge naval forces out of their arses on short notice. Way I see it, we have three options:
>Scrape together as many ships as we can. Make ships as fast as possible, hire every merc in the realm and press-gang merchants to fill out the force and hope we can stand our ground.
>Concede the sea and face them on land. Considering the bulk of their strength is based around small units of heavy cavalry, we would need pikemen to stand a significant chance here. I hope they've been invented.
>Try unconventional approaches. Hit and run attacks. Ambushes, Scorched Earth. Target their logistics. Annoy and harass them as much as possible to make their campaign come to a halt.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:o9wRVd/g Fri 20 May 2022 16:36:14 No.5274930 Report

Quoted By:

>>5274915
>>5274894

We can go for the Green Beret/CIA glowie approach, support and fund rebel factions within the Akeonians. But how long will that take, sending spooks over there to stir shit up.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:WzQenV0Y Fri 20 May 2022 17:40:49 No.5274969 Report

Quoted By:

A month? Fuck, alright.
>Decline the demands. Kill the wretch for his insults

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Fri 20 May 2022 17:42:43 No.5274974 Report

Quoted By: >>5274986 >>5275787

>>5274717

>Decline the demands. Kill the wretch for his insults.

Does this little shit come with the audacity to demand one of the few areas of resources the Empire still has, and not satisfied, he still demand that we sell our daughter, our blood, to a usurper?

I want this motherfucker infidel to be flayed and chained to the mast of our biggest warship.

>We will immediately return to the senate, each lord who has a port will have to contribute his ships to the defense of the empire, in addition war rates will be raised to guarantee the victory of the empire. (We won't say where the barbarians will attack on purpose.)

>Second, diplomats will be dispatched to the west. They have two missions, the first will be to find enemies of our enemies we have to put them in a two-front war as soon as possible, and the second will be to buy the biggest fleet of warships possible. In medieval times it was common for Kings to buy or rent ships only during wartime, which means that in theory we can increase our fleet quickly this way.

>Third mercenary regiments will be sent to the Islands, the objective of these troops will be to delay the conquest of the Islands for as long as possible. In addition, we will try to contact the old "friends", of our new naval officers, to act as spies on the location and number of enemy fleets.

Normally the nobles will complain about taxes and about losing control of their militias, but in case of outside invasion they will complain publicly, so as not to be branded as traitors. In this case they have no choice.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:R3VjseDu Fri 20 May 2022 17:43:02 No.5274975 Report

Quoted By: >>5275014 >>5275032 >>5275161 >>5275175 >>5275189 >>5275206 >>5275352 >>5275428 >>5275573 >>5275617 >>5275622 >>5275686 >>5275787 >>5275939 >>5275942 >>5275995 >>5276148 >>5276162 >>5276262

>>5274915
>>5274842
>>5274762
>>5274744
You guys are all acting far too emotionally

What we need is time, time for our naval production to kick in

Our response should be
>Invite the diplomat to stay in the city while you consider a response

In 2 weeks time we should send him back to his homeland unharmed with a serious counter offer - something they’d have to consider.

We’re not serious about the offer of course; it’s just a stalling tactic

Additionally, we should order this
>Send a dozen of our school troops incognito aboard a merchant ship to the Akeoinian capital. They are to pick up another dozen household troops from the silk isles (they likely know the language). These men are to attempt to burn the massed naval ships of our foe a- as they are surely clumped together in anticipation of invasion

Indonesian Gentleman

Indonesian Gentleman ID:k6NVj87y Fri 20 May 2022 17:44:10 No.5274976 Report

Quoted By: >>5275012 >>5275013

>>5274915
I'm thinking if we lack ships, we should look for people who regularly swim in the ocean and recruit them as ship sappers - have them be equipped with hand drills etc, basically a seaborne saboteur squad. They could row out in dinghies and swim to their targets, or deploy from our own ships - heck, maybe even disguise them as fishermen - and let them sabotage enemy ships. From breaking rudders to drilling holes below the waterline, they should wreak havoc on the enemy navy.
Hell, maybe not just men, but women too - we can call them the Sirens.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:WzQenV0Y Fri 20 May 2022 17:50:25 No.5274986 Report

Quoted By:

>>5274974
Supporting

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Fri 20 May 2022 17:58:10 No.5274997 Report

Quoted By: >>5275573

>>5274717
>Decline the demands. Allow him to leave, but cut out his tongue.
>Send the elite to burn their fleets.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:xc+fWeBL Fri 20 May 2022 18:02:35 No.5275002 Report

Quoted By: >>5276577

>>5274717
>Accept the demands. Holding the isles would be a farfetched dream.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:xc+fWeBL Fri 20 May 2022 18:07:02 No.5275012 Report

Quoted By:

>>5274976
What kind of N I G G E R tripcodes in another person's quest? Get the fuck out of here

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:o9wRVd/g Fri 20 May 2022 18:09:19 No.5275013 Report

Quoted By:

>>5274976
I don't think drilling holes will work, damage controlmen can just plug the holes with rags and wooden pegs pic related, but frogmen will still be useful for cutting anchor lines and breaking rudders, but then ships will only anchor near their supply lines making repairing easy. We're better off getting spooks and rebels to burn down enemy ports and logistical networks to slow down resupplying and rearming.

By the way, does the Empire have any people with ethnic, ideological, or financial ties to the Akeonians? It's time to round them up into concentration camps like what Roosevelt did to the nips during ww2, who knows whether Akeonian spooks are already amogus.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:YAH52u8Q Fri 20 May 2022 18:09:36 No.5275014 Report

Quoted By:

>>5274717
>>5274975
This, this is a very good idea. I'm even somewhat open to the sabotage.

Please anons, change your votes to stalling tactics. Our Navy needs time...

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:o9wRVd/g Fri 20 May 2022 18:17:00 No.5275028 Report

Quoted By:

>>5274915
>Why not face them on land at sea and go full CARTHAGO DELENDA EST

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:o9wRVd/g Fri 20 May 2022 18:21:48 No.5275032 Report

Quoted By:

>>5274975
Supporting. How do we hide our naval production dramatically ramping up from Akeonian spies though?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fnOohxq4 Fri 20 May 2022 19:39:01 No.5275118 Report

Quoted By:

>>5274717
>Decline the demands. Allow him to leave with his head intact

We should shave his beard and hair as one anon suggested.

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Fri 20 May 2022 20:18:00 No.5275161 Report

Quoted By: >>5275428

>>5274975

What guarantee do we have that they are already moving? As far as we know they may be using the same trick to slow our response.

Also, are our guards and theirs of the same ethnicity? Because I very much doubt that a group of greeks walking from boat to boat in the fleet wouldn't catch the attention of local Italians, regardless of whether they know the language.

And even if they can infiltrate, how are they going to do any real damage? Contrary to what you might imagine, it is not easy to set fire to multiple boats, because they are boats and they can escape the flames after all they are not tied together.

>I think this is a suicide mission.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fnOohxq4 Fri 20 May 2022 20:39:39 No.5275175 Report

Quoted By:

>>5274975
Support

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Rx0+7utS Fri 20 May 2022 21:03:15 No.5275189 Report

Quoted By:

>>5274771
Changing to
>>5274975

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:uabuEMdZ Fri 20 May 2022 21:12:53 No.5275206 Report

Quoted By:

>>5274975
Stall for time? They're giving us one month. We're better off launching preemptive strikes rather than lollygag around.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:1hOcm9Al Fri 20 May 2022 21:25:56 No.5275216 Report

Quoted By:

>>5274717
Changing from >>5274719
To
>Decline the demands. Kill the wretch for his insults.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n7/eYY9j Fri 20 May 2022 23:52:58 No.5275352 Report

Quoted By: >>5275617 >>5275622

>>5274975
Guys, guys, guys. What if:

>Greek Fire

Or maybe we should scour the imperial archives to find something that we can use to blow up or sink a ton of ships? 9/11 the Akeonians with a ship chock full of greek fire. That'd be swell.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n7/eYY9j Sat 21 May 2022 00:12:08 No.5275379 Report

Quoted By: >>5275383 >>5275404

Also, we shouldn't kill Count Durant Dufour right here. We should torture him for info honestly. Or hold him hostage.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:RxboxJZr Sat 21 May 2022 00:14:53 No.5275383 Report

Quoted By:

>>5275379
>torture him for info
That's a great idea. Unfortunately at this point the votes are not going to change.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:o9wRVd/g Sat 21 May 2022 00:31:15 No.5275404 Report

Quoted By: >>5275430

>>5275379
I doubt that would work. If I were Count Durant Dufour being sent on this obvious suicide mission I'd have one of my teeth replaced with a cyanide capsule.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:gd7UYxWq Sat 21 May 2022 00:44:39 No.5275428 Report

Quoted By:

>>5274975
Switching to supporting this.

>>5275161
There's inevitably going to be a lot of foreigners in any capital city, and unless our guards wave their hands and yell while jumping from boat to boat they should not be seen. Also pic related is a thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:RxboxJZr Sat 21 May 2022 00:44:57 No.5275430 Report

Quoted By: >>5275629

>>5275404
Oh, right. How could we forget about cyanide capsules? Those were so popular in the middle ages.
You are so smart, anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:RxboxJZr Sat 21 May 2022 00:49:57 No.5275438 Report

Quoted By:

>>5274717
Switching from >>5274766
to
>Decline the demands. Kill the wretch for his insults.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9KiloiVI Sat 21 May 2022 02:52:45 No.5275573 Report

Quoted By:

>>5274717
If >>5274975’s plan needs more support, consider it given. If it’s not feasible (or you don’t want to entertain the write in), then I return back to my original vote >>5274997.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Sat 21 May 2022 03:37:33 No.5275617 Report

Quoted By:

>>5275352
Good idea, but here's an even better one: Gryphon naval bombardment with dedicated carrier ships housing containers of greek fire. Riders take off from the ship, bomb enemy vessels then return to rearm and repeat. The liquid sticks to surfaces and can't be washed off so it would only take someone to throw a fire source from our ships to condemn the stricken vessel.

>>5274975
I don't know if the sabotage strategy is viable but the time bought by stalling would be nice. I think we should consult with people knowledgable in the fields required by the respective plans before we commit ourselves to any specific one. Test their viability and such.

Given that Akeonia is an island, this war will ultimately be decided at sea.
If we destroy their navy, we win a favorable peace.
Fighting a decisive naval battle and winning it is the fastest way to win the war.
Any plan should be made around these three facts.

>>5274717
I'll back the stalling but I want to see our options before commiting to any war plan.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Sat 21 May 2022 03:44:41 No.5275622 Report

Quoted By: >>5275671 >>5275939

>>5275352
Good idea, but here's an even better one: Gryphon naval bombardment with dedicated carrier ships housing containers of greek fire. Riders take off from the ship, bomb enemy vessels then return to rearm and repeat. The liquid sticks to surfaces and can't be washed off so it would only take someone to throw a fire source from our ships to condemn the stricken vessel.

>>5274975
I don't know if the sabotage strategy is viable but the time bought by stalling would be nice. I think we should consult with people that have the information required by the respective plans before we commit ourselves to any specific one. Learning about the viability of infiltrating the port housing the Akeonian fleet for example.

Given that Akeonia is an island, this war will ultimately be decided at sea.
If we destroy their navy, we win a favorable peace.
Fighting a decisive naval battle and winning it is the fastest way to win the war.
Any plan should be made around these three facts.

>>5274717
I'll back the stalling but I want to see our options before commiting to any war plan.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:o9wRVd/g Sat 21 May 2022 03:52:27 No.5275629 Report

Quoted By: >>5275656

>>5275430
It's a fantasy world, they have incense toxic enough to kill someone. I'm sure they have something even more poisonous on hand like pufferfish venom.

Now I wonder how bad did the Count fuck up back home to be sent on this obvious one-way trip.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:RxboxJZr Sat 21 May 2022 04:31:45 No.5275656 Report

Quoted By: >>5275750

>>5275629
Sure poisons exist but I doubt he would have time to take a sip from a bottle if we were to orfer guards to seize him here and now.
I think he was beting on diplomats being untouchable or something. Not sure if this concept exists in that world.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n7/eYY9j Sat 21 May 2022 04:45:48 No.5275671 Report

Quoted By:

>>5275622
With flying gryphons, I am suprised no one has ever made use of firebomb medieval aircraft carriers. I gotta say that is an amazing idea lmao.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:kguY8MJk Sat 21 May 2022 05:05:49 No.5275686 Report

Quoted By:

>>5274975
I'm not sure about this plan. How do we know that their fleet is at the capital?
Their capital is on a different continent. Wouldn't it be better for them to use the newly conquered islands as a fleet base?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:kguY8MJk Sat 21 May 2022 05:08:20 No.5275691 Report

Quoted By:

>>5274717
>Decline the demands. Kill the wretch for his insults.
I'd vote to interrogate him but it's too late for write-in now.
Kill him first. Then we can plan.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:o9wRVd/g Sat 21 May 2022 05:54:26 No.5275750 Report

Quoted By: >>5275767

>>5275656
Hence the fake tooth-shaped capsule of powdered poison in his mouth.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:RxboxJZr Sat 21 May 2022 06:09:56 No.5275767 Report

Quoted By: >>5275772 >>5275793

>>5275750
Anon this is the middle ages. What do you mean "tooth shaped capsule"? I doubt they even have syringes.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:o9wRVd/g Sat 21 May 2022 06:13:26 No.5275772 Report

Quoted By:

>>5275767
They made dentures as far back as 8th century BC. People back then weren't stupid, motivate a craftsman with enough gold and time and you'll be surprised with what they can come up.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:uodgeWY4 Sat 21 May 2022 06:21:59 No.5275787 Report

Quoted By:

>>5274717
Supporting >>5274975

Though >>5274974 has some good ideas that we could get underway while stalling.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:uodgeWY4 Sat 21 May 2022 06:26:00 No.5275793 Report

Quoted By: >>5275846

>>5275767
I agree that it'd be weird for us to having a reliable cyanide capsule, but I think you are just flat out wrong about the syringes.

https://medicine.uq.edu.au/blog/2018/12/history-syringes-and-needles

First thing that popped up when I typed medieval syringes into google.

I'm pretty sure I recall there being medieval tubing for the transfer of fluids and other such things as well, but don't quote me on that.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:o9wRVd/g Sat 21 May 2022 06:55:00 No.5275846 Report

Quoted By: >>5275863

>>5275793
It can be done, I'm imagining it made of porcelain, and the fill hole underneath plugged with gold solder. Bite to break the porcelain, who cares about the shards if you're going to die anyway lol

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:uodgeWY4 Sat 21 May 2022 07:23:57 No.5275863 Report

Quoted By: >>5275982

>>5275846
Sure, I didn't mean to imply I thought it was impossible. I should be more clear, when I say "I agree it'd be weird for us to be having reliable cyanide capsules", what I really mean is: I haven't done any research on it recently and can only rely on scant memories of prior readings, but it doesn't sound like something we'd have in wide use or circulation. Going mostly off of gut feelings in other words, not claiming your idea is impossible or dumb.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:5C3NZcKs Sat 21 May 2022 09:53:29 No.5275939 Report

Quoted By:

>>5275622
>>5274975
Flying Gryphons and greek fire would work. If we don't have greek fire, tar and crude oil being tossed onto boats set alight will also work. Good luck putting burning tar and crude oil out even while at sea much less when its all wood that is burning. Doing this will definitely make us goddamn infamous.

Send in a boat loaded with gryphons, their riders, supplies, ceramic pots full of tar, and crude oil with lit wicks ready to be set aflame on the air before being dropped. There will be no war because their entire fleet will be burned with a single act of sabotage. Done right they can even return with their lives since all the ships that could possibly chase them down will be burning.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:IDdxOcXQ Sat 21 May 2022 09:56:35 No.5275942 Report

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>>5274975
supporting

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:o9wRVd/g Sat 21 May 2022 11:13:01 No.5275982 Report

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>>5275863
desu I pulled it out of my ass lol just my imagination and knowing what materials were available back then. Suicide pills are a modern invention anyway, but it seems like a common sense thing I would get made if I were a medieval diplomat.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ni40xwDF Sat 21 May 2022 11:31:12 No.5275995 Report

Quoted By: >>5276562

>>5274975
you might think is emotional, but an offense to a ruler is not only emotions and is not something small. I prefer to make anyone understand offenses will not be accepted especially in our court.

In regard to stalling for more time is not a bad idea, but they will notice the movements we do. After all we will prepare for war.
In regard to sending schola they are valuable, and this is one of the reasons i wanted the spies done first. The schola aren't them or specialized in such skills. Overall good initiative, but i think they aren't the right choice for something like this. For obvious reasons.
Instead i would suggest to find someone skilled that could do this job for coin. Someone that does this has a profession, that has the right equipment for it and knows what to do.
Better chances the job is done, and we don't put valuable loyal schola lives on the line. We spend some coin, but war does that anyway.

Of course is a suggestion, not something you need to accept. Ah of course this suggestion can also help us if hire at the same time, someone for counter any attempt to fuck with our fleet. Would be nice.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Sat 21 May 2022 14:19:34 No.5276148 Report

Quoted By: >>5276151 >>5276153 >>5276162 >>5276165 >>5276262

Kill 10

Leave 1

Shaving 1

>>5274975 write in 10

Accept 1

Need a tie breaker between killing and the write in.

I guess I should mention that since I am away from my PC, I will start a new thread on Monday, so just a heads up incase this one drops off the board.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:qjYPednG Sat 21 May 2022 14:22:06 No.5276151 Report

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>>5276148
>I will start a new thread on Monday
Finally jeez
Took me 15 minutes to load the thread

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:qjYPednG Sat 21 May 2022 14:23:07 No.5276153 Report

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>>5274717
>>5276148
>>Decline the demands. Kill the wretch for his insults.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TXY6oTTi Sat 21 May 2022 14:29:46 No.5276162 Report

Quoted By:

>>5276148

Supporting >>5274975

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:veNhuHn0 Sat 21 May 2022 14:30:25 No.5276165 Report

Quoted By:

>>5276148
Supporting the write in.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:o0J3dEl5 Sat 21 May 2022 15:00:17 No.5276205 Report

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So it's no longer tied I see. Would be a shame if someone tied it again.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:o0J3dEl5 Sat 21 May 2022 15:04:13 No.5276207 Report

Quoted By:

>>5274717
>Decline the demands. Kill the wretch for his insults.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:S1Wf1zxT Sat 21 May 2022 15:41:02 No.5276262 Report

Quoted By:

>>5276148
Man, people are determined to keep it tied today.
I'll retract >>5274915 vote and go behind >>5274975
If we're going to do that, we also need to think of an attractive counter-offer. He wants a very lucrative province and legitimacy. What alternative means of either can we offer him? We'd need to make it a damn good once since he evidently gives no fucks and is literally demanding our firstborn child.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Sat 21 May 2022 15:41:59 No.5276263 Report

Quoted By: >>5276577

Write in locked in ! I noticed it this time !

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Anonymous ID:o9wRVd/g Sat 21 May 2022 18:36:41 No.5276562 Report

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>>5275995
But we have already been ramping up our naval production, it shouldn't be too noticeable that it goes up a somewhat faster. If they do, it should make a decent alibi.

I'm more worried mobilizing hundreds of marines onboard the ships will be difficult to hide. They'll just be normal soldiers for now, but I wonder how much will it cost to later create a dedicated Marine Corps specialized in boarding enemy vessels and attacking coastal targets. I imagine a medieval marine will have quick release armor in case he falls into the water, narrow tower shields and short swords for CQB, and a fuckton more training than your average grunt.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:xc+fWeBL Sat 21 May 2022 18:41:24 No.5276577 Report

Quoted By: >>5276580

>>5276263
It's tied again. I'll change my vote from >>5275002
to
>>5274744

in order to break the tie again.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:o9wRVd/g Sat 21 May 2022 18:43:11 No.5276580 Report

Quoted By: >>5276602

>>5276577
It's locked in already faggit

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:xc+fWeBL Sat 21 May 2022 18:58:15 No.5276602 Report

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>>5276580
To what, N I G G E R?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:uabuEMdZ Sat 21 May 2022 19:01:18 No.5276609 Report

Quoted By: >>5276691

>delaying an ultimatum

I sense this will go quite poorly, nevermind lord autismo being precisely the wrong person to attempt this. It'll be interesting to see how our people take to the appearance of mulling over selling off part of the empire.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:o9wRVd/g Sat 21 May 2022 19:58:40 No.5276691 Report

Quoted By: >>5276740

>>5276609
They'll notice conscription notices, troop movements, and accelerated naval construction and acquisition though.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:qjYPednG Sat 21 May 2022 20:34:29 No.5276740 Report

Quoted By:

>>5276691
Exactly.
They will see all those things in the evening news or see them in papers and easily figure things out.
We should make sure to install cyanide capsules into our agents' teeth before we send them out btw.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Sat 21 May 2022 21:07:08 No.5276776 Report

Quoted By: >>5276777 >>5277145

Such grave insults cannot be tolerated, the man should be killed right on the spot, struck down for the crime of [i:lit]Lèse-majesté[/i:lit] (to do wrong to majesty), the crime specifically termed by the western lords of Rogarus. But, through the fog of your rage, not just for yourself, but your people, your empire, you grasp reason within your mind.

No. You suppress your choler and try to balance your humours. Taking a deep breath, you exhale slowly before gesturing for Gallienus, inviting him so that you could whisper your words. It is after all, beneath you to speak directly to mere foreign barbarians, at least within the court.

“Tell him that he will be housed within the city, whilst we consider his proclamation. Make it clear that he cannot refuse.” With controlled anger, you whisper. Were it not for the fact that the man was a diplomat, you would have executed him already. But doing so could potentially harm your standing with other civilized peoples out in the word. Still, you shall lodge a formal complaint to Tedwin, if he does not punish the count, it will be he who acts without reason.

A look of surprise flashes through Gallienus’ face as he tries to process your order, however, it only takes him a few moments to regain his composure. He has the empire’s dignity to uphold after all.

“Their imperial majesty, in their mercy, as preached by the Shepherd, had deemed it that thee shall remain within the bounds of the palace for as long as it takes for their imperial majesty to decide upon your plea.” With a steady voice, Gallienus loudly proclaims.

A general sense of confusion and shock goes through your court. The courtiers look around and gape like headless chickens. Your guards, their weapons nearly drawn, are just as equally confused, some had even began to take steps forwards, only to awkwardly pause is place.

Still, most amusing of all would be Count Durant Dufour himself. The man’s steely gaze, unyielding posture and stoic looks. Are all entirely broken. It seems that out of everyone here he is the most shocked, his eyes are filled with shock, mouth slightly open, his hands, clutched and closed, not hand limp by his side. The shock is quickly replaced by confusion and disbelief. And finally, the man’s bravado utterly collapses as relief washes all over him, his tense body becoming relaxed. The mental barriers and preparations had utterly crumbled after your proclamation.

“Guards ! Escort the diplomat to fitting chambers.” Gallienus says.

Still listless, Durant is escorted out of the chamber. Just as the door closes and the sound of footsteps disappears.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Sat 21 May 2022 21:08:08 No.5276777 Report

Quoted By: >>5276778

>>5276776

“Your majesty, I must protest this decision !” Steps out one of the courtiers, kowtowing before you. “To leave this barbarian alive is an insult to both the empire and its people ! Please, your majesty, this western dog should be put down like our ancestors had made them all slaves centuries before !” He proclaims loudly, you recognize the man, one of the numerous administrators required to run your empire. Though you do not remember his name, his face you do recall.

“I agree, your majesty.” Another one falls to his knees. And then another, and another. Your guards standing at attention, you can feel them stealing glances at you.

You feel a headache oncoming. “Our words are final, and you all shall obey. We shall not break oaths of hospitality, even if our guests are rude. The Shepherd had once said that to turn the other cheek is just as virtuous as it is to overthrow a tyrant. And so we shall do so too.” You say to calm the gathered people.

“As your majesty commands.” They say, still upon on floor. Sighing, you rise from your throne. “[i:lit]Parakoimomenos[/i:lit] (one who sleeps nearby), summon [i:lit]domestikos[/i:lit] (domestic, commander) Armentarius to my office, alongside [i:lit]kyvernítis[/i:lit] (governor) Kurkuas.”

“As your majesty commands.’ Gallienus says whilst bowing.

Forming up, your bodyguards quickly clear the way as you almost jog towards your office in rapid pace. Swinging the door open of the office chamber, you startle the staff awaiting to fulfil your desires. Ignoring them, you walk to the office proper and just as roughly open up the door, slamming it shut behind you.

Quickly bringing up maps of the southern isles, especially that of Lefkados, the largest of islands lost to the Akeoinians, you begin looking over what was lost to you. The island had once been a source of fine slingers and many sheep herds alongside many woods for ship production. But most importantly of all, even besides the population and untapped manpower of your fellow Thephians – goldmines. Once, the golden coins of the empire, bearing emperor’s face and the imperial wolf upon it were extracted and made there.

You consider the possibility of war, nay, the inevitability of it. The Akeoinians want for war, otherwise they would not force such unreasonable demands upon you, nor would they send a diplomat clearly prepared to meet his end due to your wrath. Had your father still reigned, no doubt that is exactly what would have happened.

Another set of documents is quickly produced. Reports by [i:lit]Megas doux[/i:lit] (Megaduke) Mundus about his dealings in the region. Currently, he commands a fleet of around sixty ships. Most are a ragtag collection of pressed into service merchant’s ships, crews made out of conscripts, officers drawn from the reserves of the reserves. Considering that two hundred warships were lost in the last war, the odds do not look all that great.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Sat 21 May 2022 21:09:10 No.5276778 Report

Quoted By: >>5276781

>>5276777

As for proper warships, Mundus currently has ten under his command, their crews already filled by the hired mercenaries as per your decree and captained by experienced “men of the seas”. You had also produced another twenty warships across the empire, currently present at Myralos.

The navy is a sad shadow of itself, but it is not as tiny and poorly led as it could have been. At the very least you have a chance, no matter how unlikely it is. The isles that they will be targeting will not be as large as Lefkados, with plenty of hidden rocks, whirlpools upon the seas. Forts, set upon impossible terrain, manned by men defending their homes. Yes, the fighting will be tough, it will be bloody, but you do have a chance. You can hold, no, you will hold. Just how you beat back the Lucenians, so shall you beat back these heretics.

A knock on the door draws your attention away from your planning.

“Your ma-“

You interrupt the servant. ”Allow them in.” You say already knowing who has come.

Once the door swings open, as you had expected, Armentarius and Iovivus both step into the office, bowing before you.

“Rise. We have no doubt you had heard of the situation. We are buying time by keeping the diplomat alive and we shall hear nothing of it. Now, we must know if victory is possible.” You grimly state. “We already have a plan. [i:lit]Domestikos[/i:lit] (domestic, commander), we want for you to assemble a dozen men. Those that are fleet of foot and know how to keep their heads down. Gather them and have them disguised as average men, they are to find a way into the docks of the Akeoinians and burn their fleet down. [i:lit]Kyvernítis[/i:lit] (governor), we also desire for you to as well gather a dozen men from your own household. Whilst our guards are the most skilled within the empire, they know not the language of these barbarians, but yours do.”

“As you command, your majesty.” Armentarius without further questions responds.

Whilst Iovivus keeps silent for a moment. Before carefully opening his mouth so speak. “Your majesty, this will be very risky and unlikely to succeed.”

“Then do you have a better idea ?” You question.

“I dare not doubt your wisdom, your majesty.” He says, perhaps feeling the edge of threat in your voice. “It’s just that I feel every man will be needed in the upcoming war. And should the men succeed, or fail, further diplomacy would be entirely impossible.” He surmises his thoughts.

“But you shall send your men as we command ?”

“If that is what your heart desires, your majesty.”

“Very well, we shall consider it. Now, as mentioned previously. How can we win this ?”

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Sat 21 May 2022 21:10:23 No.5276781 Report

Quoted By: >>5276783

>>5276778

“The Akeoinian cavalry is their greatest advantage, but even if dismounted their -” Armentarius struggles a bit with the unfamiliar term. “- Knights, are all dangerous and excessively skilled, if difficult to command. That is where our greatest advantage would lie, the western nobles are notoriously rebellious and self-interested, almost always competing against their rulers if left alone too long and unable to compete against foreign foes.”

“You intend to provoke them ?”

“Yes, your majesty. If we offer bait, say one of the forts, I have no doubt that a gloryhound would jump at the opportunity, overextending himself and losing the assistance and safety of their ranks.”

“An exceptionally dangerous strategy should they overwhelm the defenders before your trap could be sprung. If this ploy fails, an entire island would be lost without a proper fight and it would allow the barbarians to strike deeper and faster into our lands.” Iovivus argues against the idea.

“That is why, with your permission, your majesty, I would lead a force of the [i:lit]Scholae[/i:lit] (School) personally. We will hold, I can guarantee as such.” He swears.

“Mundus shall naturally have command of the navy, and all the ships we can muster, but are there anyways for us to acquire more ?”

“Well, your majesty.” Hesitating, Iovivus says. “The Tarrizans are always of want for more silk. We could swing them to our side by promising an increase in our production. This should also ensure that they do not move under the lion’s banner.”

“And what would be the repercussions of increase production ?” You ask.

“The more commons something is, the cheaper it is. Undoubtedly, there would be a massive increase in income in the first year or couple, but afterwards, the price would plummet. And we could not decrease production, at least we could not do so without angering the Tarrizans.”

“And merchant shipping, could we press more into service ?”

“A few more ships, yes, your majesty. Most of the ships still belonging to traders are under the control of Maniakes family. If you would decree so, I am sure they would be more than willing to expend more of their wealth for the empire. After all, they were only able to acquire it because of the empire.”

“And of the isles themselves, how well are their garrisons ?”

“I had ensured their maintenance, your majesty, even spending my own personal wealth to do so. As for their garrisons, that is where I will have to disappoint you. Most of the people of the [i:lit]théma[/i:lit] (placement, district) are busy surviving, what little excess population that could be trained had long since died in the last war. The garrisons are not plentiful, nor all that well trained or equipped, but as I said, I can personally guarantee the sturdiness of the forts.”

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Sat 21 May 2022 21:11:24 No.5276783 Report

Quoted By: >>5276794 >>5276796 >>5276819 >>5276910 >>5276926 >>5276939 >>5277007 >>5277137 >>5277145 >>5277180 >>5277575 >>5277661 >>5277744 >>5277985 >>5278194 >>5278200 >>5278809

>>5276781

What actions shall you set in motion, oh Emperor of the Thephians ?

[red]Can pick more than one. If an option reaches half of total votes, it goes through.[/red]

>Allow the sabotage mission to go through.

>Allow Armentarius to carry out his risky strategy.

>Contact the Tarrizans, they will get their silk increase in exchange for their naval support.

>Issue a decree for the Maniakes family to dedicate their ships for naval service.

>The garrisons have to be filled. Issue decrees for general conscription to fill up the forts.

>Perhaps you have other you wish to converse with ? Both for war or for mere pleasure of the conversation ? (Whom and about what ?)

>(Write in)

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Mk8wxxdk Sat 21 May 2022 21:19:00 No.5276794 Report

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>>5276783
>>Contact the Tarrizans, they will get their silk increase in exchange for their naval support.
>>Issue a decree for the Maniakes family to dedicate their ships for naval service.
>>The garrisons have to be filled. Issue decrees for general conscription to fill up the forts.

>>Perhaps you have other you wish to converse with ? Both for war or for mere pleasure of the conversation ? (Whom and about what ?)
The Patriarch. We need the Holy Knights.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:o9wRVd/g Sat 21 May 2022 21:19:19 No.5276796 Report

Quoted By: >>5276803 >>5276961

>>5276783
>All of them
What's preventing us from doing all of them?

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:KkvGQS7j Sat 21 May 2022 21:23:28 No.5276803 Report

Quoted By: >>5276891

>>5276796

>What's preventing us from doing all of them?

Nothing. If you want all of them.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:qjYPednG Sat 21 May 2022 21:34:46 No.5276819 Report

Quoted By: >>5276891 >>5276939 >>5276943 >>5277447 >>5277575

>>5276783
>Allow the sabotage mission to go through.
>Issue a decree for the Maniakes family to dedicate their ships for naval service.
>The garrisons have to be filled. Issue decrees for general conscription to fill up the forts.
>Perhaps you have other you wish to converse with ? Both for war or for mere pleasure of the conversation ? (Talk to the Patriarch about possibility of griffon firebombings.)

The silk is our only substancial source of income. If we lose it we are fucked.
The Armentarius's plan is too risky. Losing forts in a defensive war would suck.

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Anonymous ID:o9wRVd/g Sat 21 May 2022 22:28:36 No.5276891 Report

Quoted By: >>5276961

>>5276819
>>5276803

Supporting this guy.
Time to bring aircraft carrier combat to the world 9 centuries early. Prepare the Greek fire molotovs.

Would the Church agree though, it was mentioned that the Westerners have heretical beliefs; are the Akenionians part of them? If so, it shouldn't be too hard to get them to go DEUS VULT.

Armentarius's plan isn't too bad if the fort is straight up impregnable due to construction and geography like if it's perched on a tall rock and its harbor has heavily defended chain booms blocking the entrance. A squad of gryphons and a small battery of trebuchets stationed there performing firebombings will make it an easy win.

Stirling Castle was held for 4 months by a garrison of only 30 men and the English had to build the fuckhueg Warwolf trebuchet to get them to surrender. Pic related Corfe castle in England that held up from a siege for 3 years against 200 enemies with just a garrison of just 40 servants and a lady throwing rocks since it was surrounded by steep slopes and the only way to get in is a small narrow bridge. We need more info on the fort Armentarius is so confident in, if it's just as good as Corfe castle I would vote for it.

Here's my write-in, how about a less economically harmful deal with the Tarrizans? Buy some of their ships in exchange for a big one-time shipment of silk. So we do not have to tank our economy as hard constantly making more for them in the future.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:jlHB0Wlw Sat 21 May 2022 22:45:15 No.5276910 Report

Quoted By: >>5279011

>>5276783
Hey Qm how come there is no mercenary option? I know we are in debt but coldn't we hire some to strenghten the garrisons?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Qy5+NkD8 Sat 21 May 2022 22:51:06 No.5276926 Report

Quoted By: >>5276936 >>5277137 >>5277447 >>5277575 >>5277661

>>5276783

>Allow Armentarius to carry out his risky strategy.

>Contact the Tarrizans, they will get their silk increase in exchange for their naval support.

>Issue a decree for the Maniakes family to dedicate their ships for naval service.

>The garrisons have to be filled. Issue decrees for general conscription to fill up the forts

>Have Durant interrogated concerning the status of the political and military institutions of his homeland; what rivalries and weaknesses might be at play? Insinuate that if he answers well enough, he might even make it home in one piece (whether or not he actually will will be a future decision)

Griffin firebombing isn't a bad idea, but I assume that either the population numbers aren't high enough to make that feasible, or access to those populations is highly limited. Newb, could we inquire concerning that, or have a courtier do it?

I like Armentarius's plan. The Akeoinians are surely confident facing a decaying empire like ours. This is a massive opportunity for glory for the noble willing to take it; let's punish that overconfident fool.

I approve of taking out all the stops in this war. Savaging the Akeoinians and avenging the last war would do wonders for both our national legitimacy and our international prestige. Getting the Tarrizians on our side, both for this conflict and future ones, might even be worth the loss in revenues from the silk price falling. War with Byzantium is not the same as war with Venice and Byzantium.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:jlHB0Wlw Sat 21 May 2022 23:00:04 No.5276936 Report

Quoted By: >>5276941

>>5276926
>I assume that either the population numbers aren't high enough to make that feasible, or access to those populations is highly limited
Why would you assume that?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:jlHB0Wlw Sat 21 May 2022 23:03:44 No.5276939 Report

Quoted By:

>>5276783
I will support this >>5276819 but also
>Hire mercenaries to strenghten garrisons

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Qy5+NkD8 Sat 21 May 2022 23:08:10 No.5276941 Report

Quoted By: >>5276943

>>5276936
The only griffins we've encountered were the personal mounts of elite holy warriors, and was one offered as the personal mount of an emperor. Given that the regular army does not appear to employ a "Griffon Corps" despite the immense usefulness of aerial surveying, I assume it must be the case that they are either rare or inaccessible.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:jlHB0Wlw Sat 21 May 2022 23:12:00 No.5276943 Report

Quoted By:

>>5276941
Yes they are rare. That's why we are going to ask the Patriarch about possibility of using his griffon knights as fire bombers. This is exactly what this anon said. >>5276819
Where did you get that we are creating some kind of griffon regiment? Nobody said that.

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Anonymous ID:o9wRVd/g Sat 21 May 2022 23:35:24 No.5276961 Report

Quoted By: >>5277575

>>5276796
>>5276891

Summarizing my votes for the QM's convenience and yours too if you choose to support me.

>Allow the sabotage mission to go through. But don't just stop at just the ships, attack their logistical supply lines on land too.

>Allow Armentarius to carry out his risky strategy. I have trust in his defensive fort architecture knowledge. Forts, and especially naval forts have historically been incredibly hard to crack.

>Issue a decree for the Maniakes family to dedicate their ships for naval service.

>The garrisons have to be filled. Issue decrees for general conscription to fill up the forts. 40 servants dropping rocks was good enough to hold Corfe castle for 3 years.

>Perhaps you have other you wish to converse with ? Both for war or for mere pleasure of the conversation ? (Whom and about what ?) Contact the Patriarch for griffin divebombings. Tell him that the Akeonians are filthy heretics in needing of purging.

>Write ins:
>Replace the military alliance with the Tarrizans with a one-time purchase of Tarrizan ships with silk. They'll be crewed by our own men.
>Hire just enough mercs to have experienced officers leading the conscript garrisons.
>Search the Imperial archives for the Greek fire recipe to arm the griffins, ships, saboteurs, and the forts' siege engines, it will work better than just plain burning tar and crude oil. Make sure the saboteurs will guard the recipe with their lives, eating the recipe sheets and committing suicide if captured, if they'll produce the Greek fire in situ behind enemy lines
>Perform a good cop bad cop interrogation with Durant over dinner, being nice has proven to work more effectively than torture, especially if you pretend you already know the secret intel you are trying to seek. Pretend you have already captured the Akeoinian spooks they have definitely sent months ago and interrogated them for info.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n7/eYY9j Sat 21 May 2022 23:51:47 No.5276982 Report

Quoted By: >>5277007

We're going to have to placate or deal with the Maniakes family soon. I would not be happy with the emperor now that he has:
>Removed our heir from a powerful position
>Caused us to lose 15% of our yearly profits
>Take our ships to fight a war

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ni40xwDF Sun 22 May 2022 00:18:15 No.5277007 Report

Quoted By: >>5277013

>>5276783
>Allow the sabotage mission to go through.
>Write in
Find someone that can lead it and with experience in such matters. Pay it, give him a role. We want this mission to have a possibility of success. Be discrete in the picking. If they have bad blood with barbarians even better.

>Contact the Tarrizans
Offer them a non agression pact, and the possibility of building one small embassy in Myralos (the empire shall also have one in Tarrizzo).
What we ask in return, is for them to not fight with our enemies or sell/gift them ships. And 100 of their finest halberdiers (send them with Arm)

>Allow Armentarius to carry out his risky strategy.
Ensure that we can aid him and his forces. And ensure he can gain more than one advantage. I don't want to lose a good man and good soldiers.

>The garrisons have to be filled. Issue decrees for general conscription to fill up the forts.
>Perhaps you have other you wish to converse with ? Both for war or for mere pleasure of the conversation ? (Whom and about what ?)
Isaac and Mundus, war and what we do for the rest of the empire. Call levies ?
Patriarch, holy knights use. Firebombings, depends. We don't know if we have those. I think it would be safer if is the two things are divided (someone throws explosive powder bags, one looses a fire arrow on a ship). Holy knights are stupidly valuable for something like defective equipment to happen to them. Regardless, the Akeonians are heretics, having the holy knights would help us.

>Write ins
Interrogate Durant. And remind him of saying an apology for all to hear
>Have poisons prepared, If we know of the fire prepare that as well, or bombs.
We are going to throw them at the Akeonians in battles
>Armentarius will train us and prepare for war, we will also look with Isaac and Mundus a traning regime for the garrisons. And general war preparations
>Slow the infrastructure reform, take more mercs

>>5276982
the heir was kind of compromized, maybe the profits. We didn't push too hard on them though, we could have done way more like our father. This said, we might not need them in the war.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:o9wRVd/g Sun 22 May 2022 00:30:24 No.5277013 Report

Quoted By:

>>5277007
Ooh, I like the embassy idea. But I still want us to buy ships from them.

We don't have blackpowder tech yet. The firebombs are just oversized molotov cocktails, they won't blow up on their own.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ni40xwDF Sun 22 May 2022 00:56:09 No.5277035 Report

Quoted By:

Ah I would also like to talk to Armentarius. Just talking. He is a cool dude, he might give us tips since this is our first war.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:2iJiCEKt Sun 22 May 2022 02:20:22 No.5277137 Report

Quoted By:

>>5276783
>>5276926

>(Write in)
Build Griffin carrier ships to launch riders dropping fire bombs upon the enemy forces and ships.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:2iJiCEKt Sun 22 May 2022 02:22:00 No.5277138 Report

Quoted By: >>5277196

The expanse my king sent this diplomat die. I bet if we sent him back it would upset the king even more.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:gd7UYxWq Sun 22 May 2022 02:27:40 No.5277145 Report

Quoted By:

>>5276776
>the man’s bravado utterly collapses as relief washes all over him
We can use this. Pump him for information and get him to work for us. He'll be invaluable, and a good source of propaganda if he goes around the place declaring the evils and vices of the Akeonians.

>>5276783
>Allow the sabotage mission to go through.
High risk, high reward. Though we really need to reinforce our bodyguard.
>Issue a decree for the Maniakes family to dedicate their ships for naval service.
>The garrisons have to be filled. Issue decrees for general conscription to fill up the forts.

And please, please don't ruin the entire point of fighting this war by crashing our silk production anyway. Our economy is fucked, we need to try and fix it, not make it worse.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:uabuEMdZ Sun 22 May 2022 03:02:25 No.5277180 Report

Quoted By: >>5277279 >>5278202

>>5276783
>>Allow the sabotage mission to go thro

I dont necessarily agree with it, but for so few men risked if we can sink a single ship it is worth it.

>>Allow Armentarius to carry out his risky strategy.

If we can divide their forces and chop them up piecemeal all the better.

>>Contact the Tarrizans, they will get their silk increase in exchange for their naval support.

Support the embassy idea, further we don't have to make the increase permanent, say 5 years.

>>The garrisons have to be filled. Issue decrees for general conscription to fill up the forts.

Manpower is needed, simple as that

>>Perhaps you have other you wish to converse with ? Both for war or for mere pleasure of the conversation ? (Whom and about what ?)

Let us speak with and interrogate the count, he was sent here to die, perhaps we can turn him?

Leave the Maniakes alone

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:2iJiCEKt Sun 22 May 2022 03:19:31 No.5277196 Report

Quoted By:

>>5277138
The enemy king*

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:o9wRVd/g Sun 22 May 2022 05:24:46 No.5277279 Report

Quoted By: >>5277289

>>5277180
Why not compensate the Maniakes with a percentage of the silk production profits after the war?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:o9wRVd/g Sun 22 May 2022 05:36:46 No.5277289 Report

Quoted By:

>>5277279
I'm thinking something along the lines of a 3-5% percentage of silk production for 3 years or something

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:gd7UYxWq Sun 22 May 2022 06:23:29 No.5277335 Report

Quoted By:

Guys, please, for the love of the shepherd, don't increase silk production. It's the only thing making us money, and unless we can turn around the economy in the next few years we're going to fuck over our income almost irreparably. Beating the Akeonians to preserve our silk production is not worth it if our silk production then becomes worthless.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:rNQk7oal Sun 22 May 2022 07:50:02 No.5277406 Report

Quoted By:

>Allow the sabotage mission to go through.
>Allow Armentarius to carry out his risky strategy.
>Issue a decree for the Maniakes family to dedicate their ships for naval service.
>The garrisons have to be filled. Issue decrees for general conscription to fill up the forts.

>Perhaps you have other you wish to converse with ? Both for war or for mere pleasure of the conversation
>>Probe Durant for information regarding why he was sent here on a suicide mission and the state of his homeland. Do not torture him.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:HNsGIZUI Sun 22 May 2022 08:07:01 No.5277424 Report

Quoted By: >>5277501

Is there a chance to capture the fleet instead of burning it?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Rx0+7utS Sun 22 May 2022 08:30:50 No.5277447 Report

Quoted By:

>>5276819
>>5276926
+1 on both

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:o9wRVd/g Sun 22 May 2022 10:30:16 No.5277501 Report

Quoted By:

>>5277424
Not enough men to man the ships. Pic related is a dromon like what was mentioned earlier, you need at least 120 men to man the oars, and several dozen more to work the riggings

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:uodgeWY4 Sun 22 May 2022 12:18:02 No.5277575 Report

Quoted By:

>>5276783
Supporting >>5276819 with elements of >>5276926 and >>5276961

Malignant Advisor

Malignant Advisor ID:Qiwr0pXL Sun 22 May 2022 14:43:24 No.5277661 Report

Quoted By:

>>5276783

Too many options and problems, but maybe we will survive this crisis.

>Do not allow the sabotage mission to go through.
Spending one of the few sources of loyal and competent soldiers on a risky mission that has little chance of success is wasteful.

>Allow Armentarius to carry out his risky strategy.
It's risky but it gives him a better chance of surviving than on a mission outside our nation.

>Contact the Tarrizans, they will get their silk increase with a five-year limit, in exchange for their naval support.
Silk is too precious to be mass-produced ad infinitum. Plus the invaders wouldn't give them a better deal.

>Issue a decree for the Maniakes family to dedicate their ships for naval service.
Their territory is directly under threat, but as the fight will be on their territory, leaving a councilor of the house next to the admiral would make them complain a lot less.

>The garrisons have to be filled. Issue decrees for general conscription to fill up the forts.Also recruit mercenaries to complement in the numbers. Put the rebuilding of infrastructure on hold until after the war, use the money already collected to pay the mercenaries.
I'm not about to close the mercenary forts, but to leave the fortifications with some form of discipline and experience.

>Speak with new naval officers to contact their old friends to inform them of enemy fleet movements.
it would be much easier with spies but it doesn't hurt to know exactly where the enemy is going to attack first.

>If the patriarch allows us, use the griffins to bombard the heretics with greek fire.
Our debt to the church only increases.

>And this guy's idea about the diplomat's interrogation:
>>5276926

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:nt0LixtP Sun 22 May 2022 15:45:10 No.5277726 Report

Quoted By:

>12 people vote to burn ships on the previous vote
>barely half of that vote to burn ships on the current vote
cowards

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:nt0LixtP Sun 22 May 2022 16:00:09 No.5277744 Report

Quoted By:

>>5276783
>Allow the sabotage mission to go through.
That was the whole point right? The war is for islands so there will be a lot of marine engagements. Every ship is invaluable for our enemy so we should take the risk here.
>Issue a decree for the Maniakes family to dedicate their ships for naval service.
They should be as interested in victory as us. We pushed them a lot lately so promise them some trade priviliges like best places in the capital markets or maybe preferential treatment whenever we need to buy something.
>The garrisons have to be filled. Issue decrees for general conscription to fill up the forts.
If we start losing island forts the war is over. We don't have enough trained forces to retake them so we should make every single one of them as hard to get as possible. Additionally
>Hire mercenaries to reinforce garrisons
Seems obvious enough. The less manpower we lose the better.
>Perhaps you have other you wish to converse with ? Both for war or for mere pleasure of the conversation ? (Whom and about what ?)
The patriarch - talk about griffins and firebombings.
The admiral whatever his name is I can't remember - discuss the general strategy with him and the state of our navies.
Isaac - he was busy on the easterns border but if there is an opportunity for it we should at least hear his opinions about how this war should be conducted.
The diplomat that we spared - see if we can get some information out of him.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:nt0LixtP Sun 22 May 2022 16:06:45 No.5277757 Report

Quoted By: >>5278803

Surprised at how many people are willing to give away our only way of making any money. Especially those who were complaining about our debt. Wonder if they realise that without silk being as expensive as it is now we are going to spend decades paying our debt.
Not going with the Armentarius and his plan. I trust him the most out of our subjects but risking a whole island fortress is too much for me. We are in the defensive war so we should stall the enemy for as long as possible. If we can harass their supply routs while they are stuck sieging our islands - we win.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Sun 22 May 2022 19:38:58 No.5277985 Report

Quoted By: >>5277999 >>5278200

>>5276783
Ok, here's my analysis on each of the options.

>Allow the sabotage mission to go through.
No, it's too risky. Too many unknowns, under different circumstances it could be a great idea.

>Allow Armentarius to carry out his risky strategy.
Wait, so his plan is based on a noble transporting his own troops in his own fleet for an attack on one of our island forts? Why even let them land? If he's so sure that they would attempt this on their own then why not sink them all at sea? They'll be isolated and facing our entire fleet.

>Contact the Tarrizans, they will get their silk increase in exchange for their naval support.
So silk in exchange for ships? Could be very useful if not necessary. If we win the war we could get gold and war reparations in the peace deal to substitute the loss of silk revenue. Ultimately, it depends on how many ships they're offering in exchange.

>Issue a decree for the Maniakes family to dedicate their ships for naval service.
Yes, it's an obvious necessity

>The garrisons have to be filled. Issue decrees for general conscription to fill up the forts.
Also obvious.

The gryphin naval carrier idea I brought up should also be explored further for its viability. Be it with the patriarch and the mega doux or whoever.

Talking with Durant is also a good idea. He probably doesn't have anything great given that he was sent on this suicide mission but any intel would be nice.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:S1Wf1zxT Sun 22 May 2022 19:52:41 No.5277999 Report

Quoted By: >>5278003

>>5277985
I don't think we should have any expectation of indemnities. Even if they lose the battle, we have no ability to threaten them back and force them to sue for peace on terms favourable to us. Any peace treaty would likely take the form of a white peace.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Sun 22 May 2022 20:00:06 No.5278003 Report

Quoted By: >>5278005

>>5277999
I don't think so, If we destroy their navy we can blockade them and loot their coasts unimpeded. It wouldn't be a total victory but those circumstances do allow a favorable peace.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:nt0LixtP Sun 22 May 2022 20:02:12 No.5278005 Report

Quoted By: >>5278015

>>5278003
>If we destroy their navy we can blockade them and loot their coasts unimpeded
Why are you against burning their ships then? 2 dozen men for a chance to cripple enemy fleet seems like a chance worth taking to me.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Sun 22 May 2022 20:07:33 No.5278015 Report

Quoted By:

>>5278005
Because the likelyhood of success is extremely low. We don't know where their fleet is harboured, we don't know if their fleet has even been rallied, we have no resources and no agents on location and we have no men with experience in this kind of work.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Sun 22 May 2022 21:20:59 No.5278076 Report

Quoted By: >>5278178

To elaborate on how the infiltration plan is a bad idea:

The enemy will be aware of their presence in the city.

We have literally zero intel on the fleet's location or status.

Our bodyguards don't have any experience with infiltration and don't know the local language or geography.

We have no resources on location. No safehouses, no agents, no hidden supply caches and no contacts.

Even if all of these factors weren't present, the plan would still be risky since there would be a high risk of detection when sneaking into the harbor and onto the ships.

All in all, it's a suicide mission with little chance of success.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:nt0LixtP Sun 22 May 2022 23:19:49 No.5278178 Report

Quoted By: >>5278200

>>5278076
>The enemy will be aware of their presence in the city.
How exactly?
>We have literally zero intel on the fleet's location or status.
It wouldn't hurt to at least try to send a team to one of most likely locations.
>Our bodyguards don't have any experience with infiltration and don't know the local language or geography.
The governor's people know the language. As for the infiltration itself all they have to do is to pretend to be mercenaries. I would imagine every major port is crawling with them hoping to be hired as bodyguards by some merchant or a noble.
>We have no resources on location. No safehouses, no agents, no hidden supply caches and no contacts.
There is no need for that. Just sneak into the port and set a ship or two on fire. What resources do you need? A pot of oil and a torch?
>Even if all of these factors weren't present, the plan would still be risky since there would be a high risk of detection when sneaking into the harbor and onto the ships.
Yes that is the point. High risk high reward mission.

Ultimately I am not particularly attached to that plan. I just think the risk could be worth it. Not going to cry if it doesn't pass though.
Are you going to vote though?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:uabuEMdZ Sun 22 May 2022 23:29:10 No.5278183 Report

Quoted By: >>5278202

Yea the infiltration idea is pretty dumb but I voted for it anyways

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:xc+fWeBL Sun 22 May 2022 23:37:19 No.5278194 Report

Quoted By:

>>5276783
>Allow the sabotage mission to go through.

>Allow Armentarius to carry out his risky strategy.

>Contact the Tarrizans, they will get their silk increase in exchange for their naval support.

>Issue a decree for the Maniakes family to dedicate their ships for naval service.

>The garrisons have to be filled. Issue decrees for general conscription to fill up the forts.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Sun 22 May 2022 23:45:56 No.5278200 Report

Quoted By:

>>5278178
>How exactly?
From what I remembered of the plan, the bodyguards weren't disguised so that's how.
>It wouldn't hurt to at least try to send a team to one of most likely locations.
As in send them to snoop around? Yeah that's fine with me.
>The governor's people know the language. As for the infiltration itself all they have to do is to pretend to be mercenaries. I would imagine every major port is crawling with them hoping to be hired as bodyguards by some merchant or a noble.
Yeah they can get in the city. What I meant by infiltration experience is sneaking, climbing, persuasion, inconspicuity etc.
>There is no need for that. Just sneak into the port and set a ship or two on fire. What resources do you need? A pot of oil and a torch?
Those things are more for the plan going tits up which is very likely and it's really not that simple. What, do you think you can just grab some oil and a torch, walk up to their extremely important warfleet and set a ship on fire without anyone noticing beforehand?
>Are you going to vote though?
I did or at least that was my intent. Apologies if that wasn't clear.

>>5277985 >>5276783
>Allow the sabotage mission to go through.
No
>Allow Armentarius to carry out his risky strategy.
Elaborate but probably no.
>Contact the Tarrizans, they will get their silk increase in exchange for their naval support.
Contact? Yes. Make the deal? Depends on it being pretty damn good.
>Issue a decree for the Maniakes family to dedicate their ships for naval service.
Yes
>The garrisons have to be filled. Issue decrees for general conscription to fill up the forts.
Yes
>Explore the viability of the gryffin naval carrier idea with the mega doux, the patriarch and/or whoever else is needed.
>Talk to Durant and try to find out what he knows. Doesn't have to be an interrogation, at least not at first. How are things back home? Why did your king choose you, do you think? etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fg8Kc+U3 Sun 22 May 2022 23:51:16 No.5278202 Report

Quoted By: >>5278609

>>5278183
But why then?

>>5277180
>I dont necessarily agree with it, but for so few men risked if we can sink a single ship it is worth it.
12 of our highly trained bodyguards is not worth the infinitesimally small chance of sinking even a single ship.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:uabuEMdZ Mon 23 May 2022 04:22:27 No.5278609 Report

Quoted By:

>>5278202
Eh, whatever. I'll swap to opposing it.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:gd7UYxWq Mon 23 May 2022 08:30:34 No.5278803 Report

Quoted By:

>>5277757
Yeah, it's an idiotic decision and I don't know why people are going ahead with it. It may win us the war but it'll fuck us and our descendants over. Even if we somehow manage to keep the price high by lowering production again, it'll piss off the Tarrizans who are a far more powerful and dangerous naval power than the Akeonians.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:5C3NZcKs Mon 23 May 2022 08:39:13 No.5278809 Report

Quoted By: >>5278841

>>5276783
>Issue a decree for the Maniakes family to dedicate their ships for naval service.
>Perhaps you have other you wish to converse with ? Both for war or for mere pleasure of the conversation ? (Whom and about what ?)
Gryphon firebombings.

I will also vote AGAINST contacting the Tarrizans and increasing silk production because that is literally our only(and biggest) source of income. If the price drops we are turbo fucked. If we lose the islands we are also turbo fucked.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:1uGFN88D Mon 23 May 2022 09:24:37 No.5278841 Report

Quoted By:

>>5278809
"Ah sir Gryphon firebombings, what we should talk today of ?"

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:FYpuJdM/ Mon 23 May 2022 12:21:42 No.5278928 Report

Quoted By: >>5278997 >>5279005

This whole griffin idea is nonsense and why high fantasy sucks.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:o9wRVd/g Mon 23 May 2022 13:14:20 No.5278997 Report

Quoted By: >>5279011

>>5278928
Tbh I was thrown off when griffins suddenly popped up in the story. Everything so far seemed to be historically authentic fiction which is my perfect cup of tea, and then griffins appeared. Don't mind me QM, I'm just being autistic, I'm still loving the story and your writing style. Fantastic worldbuilding too. Keep up the good work boss.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dHJJz70r Mon 23 May 2022 13:20:19 No.5279004 Report

Quoted By:

This whole idea of giving away silk to tarizzians is nonsense and why questing with retards sucks

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dHJJz70r Mon 23 May 2022 13:22:31 No.5279005 Report

Quoted By:

>>5278928
>Burning enemy ships is nonsense
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NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Mon 23 May 2022 13:26:24 No.5279011 Report

Quoted By: >>5279014 >>5279015 >>5279035

Sabotage(Hire professional) 11+1=12

Trap 9

Tarrizans(Negotiations) 6+6=12

Maniakes 17

Conscription 18

Mercs(Officers only) 3+2=5

Archives 2

Carrier 2

Converse: Ex-pirate captains 1

Converse: Patriarch 11

Converse: Durat 10

Converse: Issac 2

Converse: Mundus 2

Converse: Armentarius 1

Total votes: 19

This took a while to tally.

So, Manuel will give a go ahead for the sabotage. (19/2=9.5 rounding down to 9) You will also allow Armentarius to spring his trap. You will invite Tarrizans for negotiations and see if you cannot acquire their help on favourable terms. You will also issue a decree to get House Maniakes to join in the war. You will also fill in the forts by issuing decrees of conscription from the nearby themes. You shall also converse with the Patriarch about lending his church knights and you will have a pleasant conversation with Count Durat, or not so pleasant one if he refuses to talk.

The update will be on a new thread. I will also make a pastebin for the various characters.

>>5276910

>Hey Qm how come there is no mercenary option? I know we are in debt but coldn't we hire some to strenghten the garrisons?

That is what write ins are for. I personally forgot about it, and I usually offer the most obvious options for prompts, which is why write ins are encouraged.

>>5278997

Tbf, I just really wanted to put in those giant snails that medieval monks kept drawing. But in all seriousness, I wanted to include fantastic beasts in a very limited fashion, so as to make more like the world people at that time observed, even if it was nothing but fiction, whilst keeping it in the bounds of plausibility.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dHJJz70r Mon 23 May 2022 13:31:37 No.5279014 Report

Quoted By:

>>5279011
Can we get another opportunity to hire mercs down the road pretty please?
I think if it was an actual option and not a write-in people would have voted for it since quite a few just vote for all given options without thinking.
And an opportunity to talk to Mundus maybe but I don't really care about that.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:o9wRVd/g Mon 23 May 2022 13:32:52 No.5279015 Report

Quoted By:

>>5279011
The negotiations with the Tarrizans, will we still be able to vote on the terms or is it time to kiss our silk economy goodbye?

You can still give the snails a small cameo somewhere in the story later lol

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:NnJzUcnh Mon 23 May 2022 13:46:44 No.5279035 Report

Quoted By: >>5279046

>>5279011
>so as to make more like the world people at that time observed
SOVL. I'm glad we rolled the autist qm

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:o9wRVd/g Mon 23 May 2022 13:59:32 No.5279046 Report

Quoted By:

>>5279035
I won't mind if the fantastic beasts popping up are the ones that show up in european heraldry, such as unicorns, griffins, wyverns, wolves, lions, and the like. I've warmed up to it already at this point.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:1uGFN88D Mon 23 May 2022 14:39:15 No.5279092 Report

Quoted By: >>5279127 >>5279130

Is ok qm
Honestly I always consider fantastic beasts sort of like the mammalian megafauna that appeared after the death of dinosaurs. You didn't add too much so far too, at best i imagine you will add a few more in distant lands. Like mammoths in the far north.
I suppose the real question is if the tactic we want to go for is possible, perhaps fleets use mounted scorpions to avoid or deter such tactics. It could also be that the holy knights find it an unworthy/dishonorable tactic. Or perhaps a slow one. The griffins could be capricious to this task for example.
This said what would giant snails eat ? Trees and bushes directly ? I could see them live in great burrows or caves to avoid being preyed upon in the day by beasts like griffins or direwolves. Unless griffins or direwolves, don't just go and prey upon beasts of shepherds and farmers.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dHJJz70r Mon 23 May 2022 15:02:29 No.5279127 Report

Quoted By: >>5279138 >>5279230

>>5279092
Considering the fact that griffons are pretty rare and nobody except for a dozen knights used them so far I really doubt anyone would be installing anti-air scorpions on ships.That would be both expensive and ridiculous. And if they are there is always a possibility of night raids.
>unworthy/dishonorable tactic
No such thing when fighting against heretics.
>slow one
What? How would a griffon be slower than a ship?
>capricious
We saw griffons fly in the thick of battle without trouble so why would they be scared of oil pots now?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:o9wRVd/g Mon 23 May 2022 15:03:02 No.5279130 Report

Quoted By:

>>5279092
What if their shells are made of solid tooth enamel with bright aposematic colors while their bodies being too poisonous to eat..

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:o9wRVd/g Mon 23 May 2022 15:09:49 No.5279138 Report

Quoted By: >>5279153

>>5279127
>slow one
Maybe he's referring to needing to fly back to the carrier ship to pick up another oil pot after each sortie. We'll need something like Greek fire or white phosphorous to make every sortie worth it, to make sure the fires are impossible to put so we can guarantee kills.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dHJJz70r Mon 23 May 2022 15:23:47 No.5279153 Report

Quoted By: >>5279169

>>5279138
>Maybe he's referring to needing to fly back to the carrier ship to pick up another oil pot after each sortie.
Still worth it imo. Ships going up in flames would be not only a blow to the enemy fleet but also a big hit to the morale.
>We'll need something like Greek fire or white phosphorous to make every sortie worth it, to make sure the fires are impossible to put so we can guarantee kills.
Not necessarily. Wooden ships of that era are extremely susceptible to fire. There is a shitton of things on them that burn super easily like canvas sails and tarred rope stays.
The ships themselves are made from dried wood, with pitch soaked rope used as caulking.
A single oil pot landing would be a terrible danger to the ship. Two pots would spell a certain doom unless there is a coordinated effort from the crew to put it out.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:o9wRVd/g Mon 23 May 2022 15:37:44 No.5279169 Report

Quoted By: >>5279178

>>5279153
We'll need really big pots for that, Holy Knights are heavy enough being huge armored gigachads, I hope they have light armor sets so we can load bigger bombs. Water is everywhere and oil fires can still be put out, Greek fire is impossible to put out and even ignites on contact with water.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dHJJz70r Mon 23 May 2022 15:46:44 No.5279178 Report

Quoted By: >>5279226

>>5279169
>We'll need really big pots for that, Holy Knights are heavy enough being huge armored gigachads, I hope they have light armor sets so we can load bigger bombs.
They are not going to engage in combat so they can leave their weapons and armor on the ground. We will discuss that when we meet the Patriarch.
>Water is everywhere and oil fires can still be put out, Greek fire is impossible to put out and even ignites on contact with water.
>Water
Putting out oil fires with water is a terrible idea. If they try that all the better for us.
Putting out burning oil while on a ship that can catch on fire almost as easily as a torch is not simple. The fire spreads fast and causes panic. It would take an expierienced crew and higly coordinated effort to put it out.
Greek fire would be prefferable of course but even common oil would suffice.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:o9wRVd/g Mon 23 May 2022 16:26:51 No.5279226 Report

Quoted By:

>>5279178
Fair enough. But let's try our best to get Greek fire for dat Byzantine larp aesthetic kek

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:1uGFN88D Mon 23 May 2022 16:27:51 No.5279230 Report

Quoted By:

>>5279127
Is just things to consider, the new holy knights captain and the Patriarch will probably have their arguments.
And yes i was refering that it could take time to go and take new pots, when they are done throwing the ones they have.
To be fair they could engage in melee when the pots are finished in a battle. Most ship crews have not many chances to face them. I recon they could tear sails and leave them to drop on the akeonian sailors and soldiers heads for create chaos, before dropping from above.

NewbQM

NewbQM ID:Ae7kTtHq Mon 23 May 2022 18:44:42 No.5279367 Report

Quoted By:

>>5279354

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