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Mechanicus' Primarch Quest 6

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Wed 04 May 2022 23:32:12 No.5255409 View View Reply Original Report

Primarch of the 2nd Legion TalOS DAV1S has finally made contact with the Emperor of Mankind. The Emperor of Mankind, recognizing his spawn’s allegiance, severed whatever Imperial ties the Primarch could have developed. Now Arch Dominus TalOS of Lucius must work with his fellow Forge Worlds to fight the war against the Mitu Collective and the Orks of the Grail System.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Wed 04 May 2022 23:33:02 No.5255410 Report

Quoted By: >>5255578

Within the chamber incense came out of every vent available to the Priests of Lucius. Around them the clicking and clunking of metal rang throughout the place as the Tech Priests of Lucius came to assemble themselves for what was one of the greatest trials in history. Many would even say it was not the desire to see the event, but their obligation as Tech Priests that brought them to this stage.

Many on the planet of Lucius would not be able to attend. Even with the full effort and might of the planet it has yet to create a stadium that could accompany all Tech Priests of any side to this post. Thus the entire event was broadcasted through both official hard data link channels and unofficially through the numerous Noospheric broadcasts created by those in attendance.

The Noosphere was alit with activity and thought as all gossiped and wondered about the coming event. Many felt a support for the Arch Dominus while many others have lost their lands, manufactoriums, and bodies in the second incursion that struck the gleaming heart that was Lucius.

As these souls came the High Court that was coming into attendance also came in. The first to appear was the Arch magos ADM1N. Said man could be called the third strongest Tech Priest in military power thanks to his dominion and administration of the Legio Titanicus Legio Astorum. A veteran of all the Plastoid Crusade and passive supporter of the Expansion Crusade the man has seen levels of fighting few who stayed upon the Forge World have. The man’s emotions about the coming topic is mixed and tense as he has mixes of annoyance, surprise, and respect for the person on the trial today.

The next to come in was Arch Magos R3KT. Leader of the Genetors he had worked closely with the person on trial today for several years to the point that they could roughly be described as apprentice and master. Though if one were to ask the Arch Magos these days he would claim them as partners in advancing the human genome. Indeed, the subject of today proved himself even his superior in genecraft.

After then several others began to tunnel into the room like the horde of Tech Priests below. One of these Tech Priests was Arch Magos K00LT. ‘Mother’ of the apprentice to the subject, this held the esteemed authority over everyday Naval Activities. She thought to herself about things, about how her power was hampered by the subject here today.

The ebb of Tech Priests, due to their habits of organization, seemed to cut off in an instant as they found the most efficient means to arrange themselves in this sacred hall.

With the Tech Priests, both of the High Court and of the lower masses, finally arriving in their positions the highest ranking of all stepped forward.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Wed 04 May 2022 23:34:07 No.5255411 Report

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The Fabricator General was a small man whose flesh slowly withered throughout the years. It was not because he neglected bionics but instead it was the sheer age of the man. His body lacked the majority of his original limbs as instead the Genetors opted to graft upon the old one a series of organic augmetics. That however to the man was before the time of the current High Council, before the current cropping of Arch Magos Genetors came to propagate. At last, he kept his sanity for long enough by employing a method of steady replacement recommended by those of the past.

He finally sat himself upon the Throne of Lucius, an item that he had commissioned around three thousand years ago. The name of the maker, Adept Artificer L0G4N, was a good fellow that earned such patronage by exhibiting a talent the Fabricator only saw in two others.

One of those men was the subject of this Court Session today. To a normal human it would have been an hour ago but to the Fabricator General he recognized it as fifteen years ago. As an infant spawned from the Warp through a teleportation array by the esteemed Magos C4R and his assistant E11IE. He ordered the Genetors to scan the boy for any forms of teleportation induced taint or mutation but instead they found the next stage in human evolution.

That day the Fabricator General realized the truth of the matter. How the boy, sung by the Machine Spirits, would become the greatest figure of the Galaxy. From both shadow and light the Fabricator General gave support to the boy in the form of securing rights to Particep Semper and building the next generation of humanity. Upon giving the boy his Omnissian Axe, the one who lost his own name decided to help the boy create his own.

Abhuman Superior One proved himself to exceed any thoughts or expectations the nameless one gave him. Not only had he exact his revenge but thought effort reunited the remnants of the Federation into a cohesive whole that proved monstrously useful the day Mars finally came back. It gave them enough ability to threaten Mars into giving his old position back.

The Fabricator General could not express his thanks to the Arch Dominus enough. That was something that could not possibly be mistaken.

The Fabricator General looked upon the assembly of bowing Tech Priests for a moment, +Protocol 11544; you are all permitted to raise your heads in my presence.+

The Trial would now begin.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Wed 04 May 2022 23:35:09 No.5255412 Report

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+Today’s hearing is for that of the Arch Dominus TalOS DAV1S. The Arch Dominus, under his authority as the highest ranking Tech Priest within the system, declared Protocol One. In accordance with the Protocol the actions of that Tech Priest are to be reviewed and scrutinized from that moment forward. Before its declaration the Arch Dominus would be expected to submit grand strategy plans to his lessors for cursory review. Upon invoking that, he revoked one of the core tenants that Lucius and the Mechnicum was built upon.+

Upon giving that Speech the Fabricator General paused for a moment as TalOS guessed he was waiting for any slow cogitators to catch up.

+This in itself is not a crime. I myself during times of great strife took direct command of Lucian forces to fend off unwanted invaders. What matters is the situation that caused the invocation to happen and were the actions taken reasonable during that time.+

+Arch Dominus TalOS, I call you to the floor.+

With orders given TalOS stepped forward onto the floor welding within his hands the Omnissian Axe. There were minor laws against carrying large scale weapons into the Court but the Omnissian Axe was a symbol of his achievement within the Mechanicum. It was a badge of office and declaration of what achievements he had done. TalOS specifically brought it just for these facts.

+Arch Dominus, can you affirm that on 10.560.813.M30 that you declared Protocol 1.+

+I do affirm that declaration.+

The Fabricator General nodded as he heard that, +And what was the reason for this action?+

+It was to instruct our fleet to flee into the Orkoid held territories in what recently was declared the Grail System.+

+And your reasoning.+

+We had determined that the Mitu were capable of foresight through warp magics beyond anything we could have known.+ TalOS stated the circumstance, +As shaking them off would not succeed, and splitting off the fleet would have resulted in destruction of our ships, I determine that if we were to enter Orkoid Space that the Orks would attack the much larger Mitu Collective and give us a moment to flee to Lucius.+

+Did it work?+

+Better than I possibly could have calculated.+ TalOS told the Fabricator General.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Wed 04 May 2022 23:36:10 No.5255413 Report

Quoted By: >>5255422 >>5255430 >>5255446 >>5255451 >>5255465 >>5255765 >>5255946 >>5255980

With that done the Fabricator General turned his attention towards those directly underneath him, +At this moment the High Council is allowed to question the plaintiff. All questions must stay relevant to the matters presented by the Court.+

The first among those to stand up was Arch Magos ADM1N who spoke the words TalOS knew was coming, +As I understand it these actions led to the devastation of visiting Lucius. Do you believe this action led to destruction wrought?+

+I do not, Arch Magos.+ TalOS told the venerable Magos outright, +While we did infact lead the Mitu to Lucius through our actions, the Orkish Warband was already well on its way towards attacking this planet.+

+And why were there no defenses to protect Lucius from that event?+

+The plan was to keep fighting in the most recently conquered regions of space. The reason is unknown as to why the Orks had a single minded pursuit to attack Lucius.+ TalOS stated while sending a series of documents to the Arch Magos and the Court.

+That is my thought matrix finished.+ Declared the Arch Magos as he sat down.

TalOS admitted things could have been worse, but the Arch Magos said everything that needed to be said. TalOS couldn’t really hold it out against the Arch Magos as ultimately he was right in hindsight. It was hindsight though, and that was the reason he did not pressure TalOS on the issue. Though judging from the feeling in his voice ADM1N was no longer holding it against the Arch Dominus.

After those words the rest of the High Court waited and processed the information. TalOS could tell a majority of them were not really able to come up with any subtle or powerful rebukes to TalOS’s plan. It was a plan that only the greatest of minds could make realize, and TalOS in fact did just that.

+Your defence to that, Arch Dominus TalOS.+ The Fabricator General declared.

>Point out what happened afterwards.
>Put pressure on the facts of the time. How cornered they were
>Elect the point that ultimately such a solution would have brought attention to Lucius.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9p/p+gHP Wed 04 May 2022 23:46:26 No.5255422 Report

Quoted By: >>5256570

>>5255413
>Point out what happened afterwards.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Wed 04 May 2022 23:57:03 No.5255430 Report

Quoted By: >>5255433

>>5255413
>Put pressure on the facts of the time. How cornered they were

I don't really know what this is trying to say. is the point that no matter what we did the Mitu would have followed us home?
>Elect the point that ultimately such a solution would have brought attention to Lucius.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Wed 04 May 2022 23:58:09 No.5255433 Report

Quoted By: >>5255589

>>5255430
Essentially, if you put defenses in the way of Lucius that Lucius would have been noticed.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Thu 05 May 2022 00:05:45 No.5255443 Report

Quoted By: >>5255452

>>5255409
Upvote the archives you fags
https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=The%20Machine%20QM

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:p5gv9iys Thu 05 May 2022 00:07:22 No.5255446 Report

Quoted By: >>5256570

>>5255413
>Elect the point that ultimately such a solution would have brought attention to Lucius.
The reason we went ont he raids was to distract the Mitu so they would take longer to attack, wasn't it? And it worked, the attack took long enought that the fortress was ready.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Thu 05 May 2022 00:11:31 No.5255451 Report

Quoted By: >>5256570

>>5255413
>>Elect the point that ultimately such a solution would have brought attention to Lucius.
Any concentration of force would certainly have drawn the attention of the Mitu psychic choirs. In fact we kept the xenos occupied with our own fleet actions and allowed Lucius time to build up critical infrastructure and production capacity, largely in part due to our optimization of manufactorum policess and consensus building among our vassal planets. (Displays spreadsheets proudly)

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:p5gv9iys Thu 05 May 2022 00:13:30 No.5255452 Report

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>>5255443
I can't since I was the one that did it, Machine QM or whoever usually does the archiving will have to do it in my place

Son of Nanomachine

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 05 May 2022 00:23:01 No.5255465 Report

Quoted By: >>5255469 >>5255481 >>5255559 >>5255619 >>5255880 >>5255950 >>5255980

>>5255413
>Present everything via a mathematical proof solution that all other options not taken by us would have resulted in inferior probabilities of success

Words and arguments of speech are a human invention and an inferior defense. But the holy mathematics of the Machine God is writ into the fabric of the universe and predates mankind, and speaks in a voice older and with more authority than any other form of logic.

There's a canon line that when every forgeworld goes to war, they have already factored in each probability and have only chosen to do so when they have ensured the best victory percentages among all available data. And so it is with Talos.

Let the numbers be our defender in the court.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 05 May 2022 00:25:47 No.5255469 Report

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>>5255465
Also if this fits an existing option I'm totally fine with folding it into the closest thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:d54f9kiS Thu 05 May 2022 00:41:30 No.5255481 Report

Quoted By: >>5256570

>>5255465
>support

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Anonymous ID:6FhbGcRV Thu 05 May 2022 01:33:54 No.5255559 Report

Quoted By: >>5256570

>>5255465
>Supporting
This is very fitting for a techpriest

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Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Thu 05 May 2022 01:49:38 No.5255578 Report

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>>5255410
>Thus the entire event was broadcasted through both official hard data link channels and unofficially through the numerous Noospheric broadcasts created by those in attendance.

+++---+++ Reacting to Arch Dominus TalOS Trial LIVE +++---+++

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Thu 05 May 2022 01:57:22 No.5255589 Report

Quoted By: >>5256570

>>5255433
in that case my vote is.
>Elect the point that ultimately such a solution would have brought attention to Lucius.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Thu 05 May 2022 02:15:46 No.5255619 Report

Quoted By: >>5255634 >>5256570

>>5255465
This is not a write in that can replace the others, desu. It can reinforce the argument but I don't see it being an argument by itself.

I wanted to put the Black Swan Theory as a write in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_swan_theory but this is not enough as well. QM did mention it through ADM1N's thought matrix; everything is being reviewed in hindsight. And I am inclined to believe the Arch Magos of the Legio Astorum was supporting us by stating the obvious for TalOS to answer.
>Elect the point that ultimately such a solution would have brought attention to Lucius.

The main beef is that TalOS actions lead to Lucius' invasion by the Mitu. Even if the Orks were the ones that did the largest damage AND were 100% going there. Damn, the Arch Dominus risked EVEYRTHING to save Lucius

"Even though I did lead the Mitu to our planet, it was to save it." Orks being the real threat, I took all the measures possible to take ADVANTAGE of having the two sworn enemies fight each other...

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Thu 05 May 2022 02:21:59 No.5255627 Report

Quoted By: >>5255719

Known as the "Hollow Forge," a name earned by the artificial sun that sits within the hollowed-out centre of the planet, all born upon the Forge World take pride in achieving that which others deem impossible. The burning star held within the centre of Lucius is perhaps the greatest testament to its people's success beyond expectations, for the artificial sun provides near-boundless power to the Forge World while also sealing its fate, for all, including the Tech-priests of Lucius itself, know that a day must come when the artificial sun's containment will fail and the Forge World will be consumed by its fury. Where some might view such a construction as careless, those that hail from Lucius hold firm in their belief that death in pursuit of innovation is the greatest sacrifice one can offer the Omnissiah.

Amongst the many ancient Mechanicum sects that called Lucius their home, all held the unchangeable belief that the eventual consumption of Lucius by solar event will ascend its people to walk alongside the Omnissiah and, with such a path laid out before them, failure before such a prescribed time is impossible. Until that moment, the servants of Lucius are bound to stride forth across the galaxy, bringing His glory to the ignorant and malcontent.
based...

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 05 May 2022 02:25:31 No.5255634 Report

Quoted By: >>5255635 >>5256570

>>5255619
>This is not a write in that can replace the others
> It can reinforce the argument
I'm fine with that desu, I'm just not sure which argument it may align with specifically is all.

If I were to hazard a wager it would be
>Elect the point that ultimately such a solution would have brought attention to Lucius.
As showing that any proposed alternatives were considered and deemed inferior. and we have the Machine God's proof to back it up.

In this case, literal mathematical proofs.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Thu 05 May 2022 02:26:38 No.5255635 Report

Quoted By: >>5255719

>When Mars and Lucius were reconnected, the Titans of the Legio Astorum were moved to the forefront of the Great Crusade, where the Titan Legion's preference for swift spearhead assaults saw it become a valued part of many expeditionary fleets. Supplied as it was by a vast network of engine forges constructed across the surface of Lucius, the Titan Legion was readily split across the galaxy, offering aid to many who requested it. Unlike those Titan Legions that proved loath to separate its forces too greatly, the Warp Runners held no qualms towards forming dozens of smaller battlegroups, retaining only a singular demi-legio numbering 50 god-engines in close vicinity to Lucius at all times.

Wait what? https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Legio_Astorum
Well Horus personally requested the Knights not the Titans... I didn't take in account that we had such a powerful unit.

>>5255634
I agree, that is the option that is the closest to an... eeh... integer? yeah numbers

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Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Thu 05 May 2022 02:33:44 No.5255647 Report

Quoted By: >>5255653

Last spam post from the night. Look at this COOL AS FUCK banner. I want this in my wall

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Thu 05 May 2022 02:37:57 No.5255653 Report

Quoted By: >>5255668 >>5256073

>>5255647
I think you missed the most awesome part. They teleport.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 05 May 2022 02:53:03 No.5255668 Report

Quoted By: >>5256073

>>5255653
I imagine that makes for some very useful opportunities when it comes to Capital ship warfare with big huge open spaces inside.

Not to mention defense of the Blackstone Fortress, when you can teleport them around to critical locations.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:8mKgPoHX Thu 05 May 2022 03:37:41 No.5255719 Report

Quoted By: >>5256073

>>5255635
The Titans and Knights of Lucius are best known for their teleporting anon. When they fought off an entire Nid Fleet solo they mass teleported entire armies(titans included) into and out of the battlefield back into their safe fortresses to be repaired/rescued and scorched all the nid flesh before recycling all their own fallen to rebuild their fallen forces(see denying the nids their own biomass and using their own strategy's against them) is how they won that war. Well that and entrenching themselves. It's how Lucius did what was previously thought to be impossible and fought off an ENTIRE NID HIVE FLEET SOLO.

Lucius fighting against the Nids was definitely one of the most badass Nid vs Admech Wars ever.

Lucius combat doctrine as a result stresses mobility(see teleporting fucking everywhere ESPECIALLY their titans). Lucius really loves their mass and supersized teleporting.

>>5255627
Lucius admech was always the one with the biggest balls. There is a reason why they were the only ones who ever challenged the position of Mars.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UZ0FXdAH Thu 05 May 2022 04:50:19 No.5255765 Report

Quoted By: >>5256570

>>5255413
>Any solution would have revealed lucius, the enemy were heading there anyway. These attacks bought time for the fortress to be constructed.

Perturabo Appreciater

Perturabo Appreciater ID:BnRSETeE Thu 05 May 2022 09:08:08 No.5255880 Report

Quoted By: >>5256570

>>5255465
>supporting

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:kTbthBUU Thu 05 May 2022 11:40:25 No.5255946 Report

Quoted By: >>5256570

>>5255413
>Any solution would have revealed lucius, the enemy were heading there anyway. These attacks bought time for the fortress to be constructed.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:icIkfcVT Thu 05 May 2022 11:50:54 No.5255950 Report

Quoted By: >>5256570

>>5255465
>+1 Support

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Thu 05 May 2022 12:52:58 No.5255980 Report

Quoted By: >>5256570

>>5255413
>>Elect the point that ultimately such a solution would have brought attention to Lucius.

>if we can, back it up with numbers
>>5255465

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Thu 05 May 2022 14:46:02 No.5256073 Report

Quoted By: >>5256083 >>5256107

>>5255668
>>5255653
>>5255719
but what I don't underatand is that the wiki says that they are known for stressing their titans to the limit and going FASTA. Of course! believing
>the wiki says
is definitely a mistake from my part and I should be reading some books about it. What books feature Lucius awesome balls? Does Tal0S have balls? It doesn't matter if they work or not, we just gotta have some to Tea Bag Mars with

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:p5gv9iys Thu 05 May 2022 14:55:42 No.5256083 Report

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>>5256073
Their teleportation is in the wiki too, just that it's in the Lucius page instead of the legion's.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 05 May 2022 15:22:30 No.5256107 Report

Quoted By: >>5256110

>>5256073
This is also why I go to extended length to look up the citations of the Wiki and then find the specific book/novel the information is from, even if they aren't there specifically.

That being said, Teleportation is going to need to be one of Talos greatest assets one day.

Not just teleporting himself (which is cool) but also teleporting reinforcements in when he's under risk of assassination. It's the next best thing to having tesseract pocket armies (something else he'd certainly be interested in if we ever happen upon it).

The main issue is Imperial Warp Technology is still, being a warp adjacent tech, vulnerable to warp interference. That is, until we learn Necron Quantum teleportation tech, which is not.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Thu 05 May 2022 15:27:42 No.5256110 Report

Quoted By: >>5256113

>>5256107
https://youtu.be/-6TR4PfVJGI?t=11
TalOS vs The emperor of mankind, colorized

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 05 May 2022 15:30:24 No.5256113 Report

Quoted By: >>5256114

>>5256110
Exactly.
Only maybe more relevant to Angron or whoever Horus sends against us.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Thu 05 May 2022 15:31:07 No.5256114 Report

Quoted By: >>5256150

>>5256113
but I wanna fight big daddy :(

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 05 May 2022 16:26:27 No.5256150 Report

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>>5256114
Maybe one day we can battle him in duels of wits and strength.

Testing out new armor models and pitting them against his
Doing robot battles
Discussing and uncovering ancient history together

We've bought him some time to breathe and have accelerated the Great Crusade. And it is evident he is capable of spending free time and having fun. (Just look at all the Sensei he left behind)

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Thu 05 May 2022 23:22:13 No.5256570 Report

Quoted By: >>5256599

Point out what happened
>>5255422

Facts of the time

Elect the point would have brought attention to Lucius
>>5255589
>>5255446
>>5255451
>>5255619
>>5255634
>>5255980
>>5255765
>>5255946

-_- Yeah its admech but thats kinda lazy and the person who pointed it out was correct that it does not erase the previous ones.
>>5255481
>>5255559
>>5255880
>>5255950

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 06 May 2022 00:01:45 No.5256599 Report

Quoted By: >>5256600

>>5256570
I mean, I could try to write more but you mention wanting write-ins to be short and sweet so finding the balance is difficult. It's also why I ask you if you ever want some clarification or additional elaboration for it to be a viable option, otherwise silence usually indicates its okay so it's kinda hard to make changes when its like, right for the time of the vote. So I'm caught in a predicament.

I'm thinking maybe a good compromise is making a
>Short-green text write in
and then following it up with a much longer elaboration post? So what you see on your screen is an easy greentext but you'll have a more detailed post to refer to. I'm mostly irked that it's written as the lazy option rather than the fluff option because I am definitely willing to write more on it.

Tbh I like to think Mathematics and Computive-Logic are likely a preferred form of speech for many techpriests, rather than the archaic human tongue. Maybe acts as a form of legal language too. What is law, after all, but a series of protocols. A program.

In any case, I'm quite I'm fine with any of the three pre-set options. I just wanted to be able to disprove, with the addition of the blessed mathematics and the equations of war, those who insist on why other alternatives were not taken.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 06 May 2022 00:05:41 No.5256600 Report

Quoted By: >>5256605

>>5256599
Exactly what I want! It makes it easier to understand what you want for both myself and others. My only issue with your write in is that it did not have any meat in it. Yeah TalOS could present his stance in numbers, but that only gives limited understanding and TalOS was trying to justify coming up with those numbers. After all, without the Protocol, those numbers would have caused immediate mutiny.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 06 May 2022 00:22:31 No.5256605 Report

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>>5256600
Alright! I'll do that from now on.

Truth be told I think what i wrote still fits the "any solution would have revealed Lucius". The Orks were confirmed to have already been headed for lucius prior to our interaction with them, thus the visitation of the Orks upon Lucius was not our fault. We did in fact propose to the High Council an operation to attempt to buy further time by limiting Lucius void signature and creating a decoy, but time and resource constraints foiled this alternative.

Given that, we chose the option which resulted in the most interference between the Mitu Fleet and the Orks while concordantly resulting in the highest number of ships survival to fight in the battle.

It follows then that we could show via actual percentages and projections, how much more damage Lucius would have suffered if the fleet we arrived with was diminished in size or the Orks arrived here sooner due to other alternatives, as well as the increased probabilities of total annihilation if the Blackstone Fortress or ourselves were not available for the battle.

The arrival of Horus and the Emperor was an incalculable variable that could not be predicted into the calculations at the time. Had we known their arrival immiment it is likely our calculations and actions would adjust to that, but it it is as the Magos says, hindsight.

tl;dr "any solution would have revealed Lucius" is still correct. And we have the math to prove it.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 06 May 2022 00:28:12 No.5256611 Report

Quoted By: >>5256613

We can probably even cook up actual holographic/mental projections of how much more damage Lucius would suffer had we chosen alternatives to Protocol 1.

"And here is what the planet would look like if I had been lost or delayed in space due to scattering the fleet. Likelihood of total subjugation by Ork/Mitu increases by 98%, with a 2% likelihood of them managing to detonate the core"

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 06 May 2022 00:29:20 No.5256613 Report

Quoted By: >>5256628

>>5256611
Alright, thats kinda cool, but I already finished writing that part of the update. Sorry.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 06 May 2022 00:36:29 No.5256628 Report

Quoted By: >>5256631

>>5256613
Darn. I mean, you could just add a line or two right? It's not that hard to say "and Talos was even able to display via noosphere exactly the outcome of any alternatives"

I'll be extra clear on asking if any clarification is needed next time, I shouldn't have taken silence for granted.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 06 May 2022 00:38:30 No.5256631 Report

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>>5256628
I am aiming to get this all written before eight my time. So you don't feel too slighted, I am writting four pages worth of material tonight.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:0Z0IQ/3G Fri 06 May 2022 01:00:21 No.5256642 Report

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Have faith that our fellow techpriests are smart enough to see Talos' reasoning and do the numbers themselves.
Woe to whomever is stupid enough to ask a techpriest Primarch "prove it". Talos could bury them in a mountain of calculations and shame.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 06 May 2022 01:02:48 No.5256643 Report

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TalOS took a moment to think to himself and planned out the defence. Though TalOS also wondered to himself if he was just doing it for show or genuinely trying to figure out what he should declare. TalOS had to place weight in the former category though as he was surely trying to verify that the defence that he was going to present to the Court and the Priests of Lucius was a good one. The last thing that TalOS wanted to do was cause his people to despair at his answer.

Ultimately he kept himself calm during these moments. The smell of incense coming across his senses helped more than anything else the Primarch could have hoped for.

+Ultimately, my plan was to keep Lucius hidden from the outsiders.+ TalOS declared as he finally solidified his argument, +Lords of Lucius, it had come to my understanding that the Plastoids were by proxy a protector of Lucius for they were corrupted xenos from what might have been an age ago for the Xenos. The Mitu were not yet aware of their ultimate demise at our hands.+

TalOS took in a breath and allowed the incense to cloud his mind for a moment, +The tactic that the Plastoids used against Lucius when we turned to attack them was something they used in the entire region. Attacking wayward ships in the warp through teleportation as if they were daemons themselves.+

To those words chatter began to erupt within the numerous chat rooms of the silent assembly. The Tech Priests did not speak a single word lest they ruin the defense of an ultimately respected member of their society.

+The Mitu Collective feared this tactic. Such a fearsome way to attack your enemies at the moment they were most vulnerable and calm. The Mitu, aware of such a threat, had cordoned off our part of the system in an attempt to keep the dreadful Plastoids from reaching anything more than their desolate planet. The chance of them testing this case was at 1.3%.+

TalOS gave a wave to the room after those words, +We had destroyed the Plastoids. We had survived their attacks and brought armageddon to their world. The Mitu however did not know of this and continued their cordon of fear. If I were to act as the Arch Magos suggest, then they would have learned of the Plastoid defeat and Lucius’s ascendence. The chance was in our favor.+

TalOS allowed himself a moment to allow everyone to understand his words. It was a long moment that TalOS knew would decide his fate but he trusted his own words and the minds of Lucius. He was not some charlatan trying to hide his crimes but a direct touch into his thoughtprocess.

+My actions that day revealed that the Orks were driven to Lucius for no reason other than their insanity. Maybe they felt their doom at the presence of the Blackstone Fortress or the prowess of Lucius. Either way, I delayed both sides from arriving at Lucius long enough for the Fortress to activate and the Machine God to bless us with the Imperium of Man.+

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 06 May 2022 01:03:49 No.5256644 Report

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TalOS finished his words to a silent court. However the chats within the Noosphere demonstrated that TalOS had indeed awakened a congratulations and applause from his audience.

+If that is your defence Arch Dominus TalOS we will move on to the vote by our Brothers and Sisters of the Mechanicus.+ Declared the Fabricator General, +Initiating Protocol 146.+

Upon those words the Noosphere created a polling system that instantly began recording the votes of the numerous Tech Priests that attended the session today. TalOS knew for a fact this was not just those here in the flesh but those who had watched it from afar in their Manufactoriums. After all, Lucius could not stop rebuilding for a single trial now could it.

As data flew over TalOS’s head he could not help but take a moment to awe at what was happening. That an entire world in an instant discussed with one another the situation and determined it with their own logic matrixes.

It went on for twelve minutes. While Noospheric transmission was instant across the planet it gave the Tech Priests to debate and confirm what it was they would vote for.

TalOS knew for a fact that he was safe now. It was just a feeling he got listening to the singing of the Machine Spirits recording the thoughts of all upon Lucius.

The twelve minutes finally ended and the Fabricator General began his speech. His tone was as always that of an old man but the hint of satisfaction laid within it, +Lucius has spoken, the majority declared that the Arch Dominus has done what was determined logical at the time and shall not be charged with any crimes for what happened upon Lucius. I had talked to him before his moment, and the Arch Dominus has informed me that he will remain at his position for the foreseeable future.+

Upon those words TalOS’s fate was saved though that was not the end of the Fabricator General’s speech, +We of the High Court have conversed and agree that it is time we start talking to our fellows throughout the Galaxy. As we prepare for war the Arch Dominus shall visit our sister planets among the stars and make allies of them. Upon his return, we will strike at both the Orks and the Mitu who have scarred our world so profoundly alongside our brothers and sisters of other stars.+

With those words the trial was over. Lucius has spoken of their desire to see TalOS stay his position.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 06 May 2022 01:04:50 No.5256645 Report

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+You suceeded.+ Declared UZ1 as TalOS slowly made his way into the halls where she awaited her Master.

+That is correct. I have read some of the propaganda that was distributed by the Martians and I find it is deeply wrong. My kind can still feel the horror of chance, when all that you have worked for could be destroyed in the matter of twelve minutes.+

+If our understanding of Horus Lupercal is correct it is deeply evident why that is the case. He would try his best to make them think that.+ Declared the Apprentice as she joined the master in their walk.

+Have the data engines determined our path yet?+ TalOS asked the Adept as they made a turn through the halls.

+Indeed, we will be visiting what the Imperials declared to be Segmentums Pacificus and Solar. They currently hold the highest density of known Forge Worlds and due to the Astronomicon’s presence it is the fastest region to travel through.+ She admitted as she gave TalOS a data package, +My conversations with the Navigator Houses has been… odd.+

TalOS accepted the package and looked over it himself for a few moments, +Their rooms are… gaudy. Wouldn’t that be a subjective fact.+

UZ1 gave a small nod to that inference, +It was to the extent that it was an objective fact.+

+Can you share with me a data parcel for example?+ TalOS could not help but feel his curiosity start to overwhelm him. A second later the Arch Dominus saw something that shook him, +So much gold. Does it by chance have relation to their arts as ephetic links to the Astronomicon?+

+An act of emulating the one who operates it so that they tether closer to the ideas?+ UZ1 spoke out TalOS’s thoughts before giving a subtle confused nod, +I do not know. I have however been given a complaint from the Head of House London. He wishes that we develop a manner to which his household members could survive the presence of the Blackstone Fortress.+

+Are they issuing a Work Stoppage because of that fact?+

+Not yet.+

+Then it will not be of immediate concern.+ TalOS declared as they walked through the halls, +There are a variety of other matters that need our addressing. Someone who I have been needing to visit but did not have the time yet to.+

The two of them took another turn, this time towards the highest grade Medicae.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 06 May 2022 01:05:51 No.5256647 Report

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TalOS was given a smell of incense and sterilizer in the air. It was a mix that TalOS did not fully agree with but knew it was necessary. The destruction of the micro lifeforms that threatened all of human existence needed to be wiped out in such a vulnerable place after all.

About the building were the numerous Skitarii, Adepts, and Serfs that had proven themselves noble in Lucius’s greatest hour. Under the care and repair of Arch Magos R3KT they were all given a new lease of life that would be impossible at any other place in the Empire. Such powerful wills was something Lucius could not lose.

As he helped the Arch Magos occasionally TalOS was aware of each and every one of their fates. For their service each and every one of them would be fitted with mechanical limbs and given a raise in standing among their fellows.

TalOS here today was to visit what might be the greatest of all present. The one who single handedly saved Lucius from disaster.

The curtains embroidered with the sigil of House Borgius were moved away and TalOS looked at the once burnt form of Fredric Borgius. The Prince looked at TalOS with his one good eye with a moment of stunned fascination before making a wave at the Servitors working on him.

TalOS gave a quick burst of binaric orders that forced the Servitors to abandon their current station and stand aside for the Arch Dominus. Giving the person a bow TalOS declared, “Prince Fredric Borgius, I cannot express to you in the words of flesh how much I can thank you. Through your actions Lucius stood victorious and will now usher an age of revenge against those that have scared our planet so.”

The Prince gave a subtle laugh as he heard those words, “Thank you, Prophet of the Machine God. I did not think anyform of apostasy would result in this though.”

“Flesh is weak, that is what we say. Though I know many that would resist such a sudden change knowing that it can harm the sanity of the soul.”

“Its… something to get use to.” Admitted the Prince as he slowly began to move his newly forged bionic arm, “But those people never rode a Knight into battle. It feels just like that.”

“I can agree, but just like a Knight or Titan it takes time to get use to the new limbs.” TalOS told the Prince with a small lamentation, “My Kind, the Priests of the Machine God, sometimes misunderstand the truth of some matters for they have few references for it.”

“Well, at least one of you do.” The Prince Told TalOS with a subtle but pained smile, “But I really don’t want to hear the jests at court, Prophet. I have lost a certain limb and guaranteed the lost of my family’s line. My Father was never able to sire another son after all.”

“Do not worry, the Cult Mechanicus have found ways to fully replace such pieces of flesh.” TalOS joked much to the Prince’s relief.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 06 May 2022 01:06:52 No.5256648 Report

Quoted By: >>5256662 >>5256670 >>5256675 >>5256678 >>5256716 >>5256724 >>5256747 >>5256786 >>5256891 >>5256968 >>5256969 >>5257029 >>5257061 >>5257145 >>5257185 >>5257266

>Dominus Borgius shall be reforged as it was, such a noble machine.
>As reward the *Insert Knight* shall be made with the latest in C4R’s technology.
>For such actions, you will become House Borgius’ first Princep and a Titan to match such an honor.

Son of Nanomachine

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 06 May 2022 01:23:01 No.5256662 Report

Quoted By: >>5256677 >>5257557

>>5256648
>As reward the knight: "Pride of Borgius" shall be made with the latest in C4R’s technology.
Can Talos reward him with a custom designed Acastus sized Knight? Maybe one that has arms so it can also hold melee weapons if the Prince still wants to be able to fight in melee?

It's about the size of a Scout Titan, while not being an actual titan, so it cannot be said we are overly favoring Borgius too much if Navaros complains . At the same time, he doesn't have to believe he is no longer a knight by being a princeps which I can imagine isn't exactly what he or his fathered planned. He's earned an upgrade for slaying a Gargant.

Lol I was thinking today how much the knights have been a very large and valuable asset to us, and ways we could reward or improve them.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Fri 06 May 2022 01:32:20 No.5256670 Report

Quoted By: >>5256692 >>5257557

>>5256648
>>For such actions, you will become House Borgius’ first Princep and a Titan to match such an honor.
He got his arm and his pecker shot off holding the line and remained cheerful throughout the process. In the Omnissiah's name if that's not worth a promotion to Princeps I don't know what is.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:p5gv9iys Fri 06 May 2022 01:37:15 No.5256675 Report

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>>5256648
>As reward the Archangel Borgius shall be made with the latest in C4R’s technology.
The knights keep calling themselves angels, so it fits that their leader is an Archangel, right?

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Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Fri 06 May 2022 01:39:41 No.5256677 Report

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>>5256662
Quit lowballing. Our guy deserves a geneforged replacement tallywhacker worthy of Ron Jeremy, a bridgeful of the sexiest Moderati we can find him, and a close combat specced Reaver to lead the line from.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Fri 06 May 2022 01:39:54 No.5256678 Report

Quoted By: >>5256681

>>5256648
what kinda titan would he get. Personally, I think the Warhound would suit him best.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 06 May 2022 01:40:36 No.5256681 Report

Quoted By: >>5256683 >>5256691

>>5256678
Seeing what you guys were gonna suggest, but my default was gonna be Imperator.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Fri 06 May 2022 01:44:05 No.5256683 Report

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>>5256681
Shit on me that's OP as fu... I mean, Yes Mr. QM Sir, I'll happily rescind whatever I said before for a proper lancemate.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Fri 06 May 2022 01:48:13 No.5256691 Report

Quoted By: >>5257557

>>5256681
in that case, I will support
>As a reward the Archangel Borgius shall be made with the latest in C4R’s technology.
My reason is that being a Princeps is a huge strain and the larger the machine the stronger the machine spirit. with a connection that strong he might be unable to continue his duties as a prince. also, we can't elevate his house that much above his rival.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 06 May 2022 01:48:53 No.5256692 Report

Quoted By: >>5256696 >>5256699 >>5256901

"Ultimately he kept himself calm during these moments"
"TalOS took in a breath and allowed the incense to cloud his mind for a moment"
"My kind can still feel the horror of chance, when all that you have worked for could be destroyed in the matter of twelve minutes"
I'll never not be impressed by Talos humanity, despite being both Primarch and a Techpriest. Most of his other brothers would deny knowing what fear is (except of Curze) and put on a face of utter self-confidence, while other techpriests would simply delete the sense of anxiety and not bother with lungs. But Talos is ready to admit when he is afraid and face it with faith.

No matter how metal he becomes on the outside, he'll always have a humans heart. Two of them actually.

>>5256670
It's worthy, but is it what he would truly want? It takes years and a chance of death to become a Knight pilot, it would take just as much education to become a Princeps. He'd have to get entirely new implants, undergo extensive retraining at the Collegia Titanica, and at the end of it. . .he wouldn't be a Knight of House Borgius. He would be a son of his father, a noble of the House, and bring much honor being the first of their number to become a Titan pilot. But he would never be a Knight. No more gathering with your fellow Princes, Lords and Barons on and off the battlefield, part of the gallantry glory in the feasting halls. He might gain new friends and comrades in the Collegia Titanica school and his fellow magus crew, but the Collegia Titanica is not the Questor Imperialis.

It's like changing from being a Tank Commander to a Helicopter Pilot. Its just as honorable, but you aren't really gonna be part of the same crew or unit.

More importantly, he'd never be able to compete with Prince Alexander on equal standing and best him on the field. And that might be the worst thing of all!

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 06 May 2022 01:52:45 No.5256694 Report

Quoted By: >>5256698 >>5256699 >>5256701

It'd be like if a very young guardsman were somehow able to become a space marine or acillian. He'd surely bring honor, might even be lucky to come back and chat up with the men from his old squad and previous life. But he'd never be part of them again, know what I mean.

We would gain an excellent Princeps, but lose the finest Knight Prince we have. And we only have two very good ones, so that's losing half! Plus, he's the main motivation to convince Alexander to match his feats

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Fri 06 May 2022 01:56:10 No.5256696 Report

Quoted By: >>5256713

>>5256692
It'll grant honor to his House and give the upstart Alexander something to catch up to. Eventually we'll have two feudal badasses leading Titan Maniples with their respective Knight Housed nipping at their heels. Think Bigger. If we want to keep expanding and take the war to the Mitu and Orks, we'll need capable subcommanders in durable chassis. Also I don't think your analogy for the jump from Knight to Titan works. It's not even tanker to Mech pilot, more like starfighter pilot to corvette captain, mostly the same shit you've been doing but now you have a bridge crew and a smarter Machine Spirit to interact with.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Fri 06 May 2022 01:57:29 No.5256698 Report

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>>5256694
A well driven Titan is worth a pack of Knights all day.

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Anonymous ID:6FhbGcRV Fri 06 May 2022 01:57:48 No.5256699 Report

Quoted By: >>5256700 >>5256702 >>5256713

>>5256692
>>5256694
Make Alexander a princep too. But Frederick gets his first so he gets the title of first Princep of Dutonis, Alexander becomes Second Princep. Not like he was sitting around doing nothing in the battle either.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Fri 06 May 2022 01:59:19 No.5256700 Report

Quoted By: >>5256707

>>5256699
>itlphfX8
make him earn it in the field though

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Fri 06 May 2022 02:00:21 No.5256701 Report

Quoted By: >>5256713

>>5256694
Please don't tell me we can't promote him because he's too good at his job, this is why people shoot up their own offices.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Fri 06 May 2022 02:01:42 No.5256702 Report

Quoted By: >>5256705

>>5256699
wouldn't that kinda cheapen the honour though? "I lost my dick and arm killing a Gargant what the fuck did this asshole do to get the same reward?" I'd sure as fuck be a little bitter about that.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Fri 06 May 2022 02:04:05 No.5256705 Report

Quoted By: >>5256717

>>5256702
Agree 1000%. Princeps is a hell of a carrot. Let the other guy single handedly save a planet (which he likely will eventually) before raising his rank to match his rival.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:p5gv9iys Fri 06 May 2022 02:04:45 No.5256707 Report

Quoted By: >>5256709

>>5256700
Did you put your own ID on the post? I seem anons accidently write the captcha there before, but that one is new.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Fri 06 May 2022 02:05:51 No.5256709 Report

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>>5256707
not a clue, hit reply and started typing

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 06 May 2022 02:08:04 No.5256713 Report

Quoted By: >>5256718

>>5256696
I mean even in that analogy, a corvette captain isn't going to share the same sort of stories about the awesome sorties and dogfights with the old fighter crew. He'd be part of the bridge team and naval officers. Not to mention having to be taken away be trained for ship command.

>>5256699
>>5256699
>Plan for both of them to become Princeps
That's. . .a brilliant idea. Let Alexander know he can also earn the same title. Frederick will have someone to work forward too.

>>5256701
I don't know if you can call a Princep a promotion over becoming an entirely different thing. Knight Houses and the Collegia Titanica are entirely separate organizations with different cultures. But that is fair.

I suppose the real question is if we can be sure Frederick is up for the task of mastering a Titan machine spirit. Titans are an order of magnitude more ferocious than knights, something like only one in a million survive. Perhaps Talos can accurately tell that Frederick will pass.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:x+hl93ja Fri 06 May 2022 02:10:09 No.5256716 Report

Quoted By: >>5257557

>>5256648
>For such actions, you will become House Borgius’ first Princep and a Titan to match such an honor.

>Geneprint him a fix for this line issue.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Fri 06 May 2022 02:11:00 No.5256717 Report

Quoted By: >>5256722

>>5256705
what makes you think he will save a planet by himself. we are gathering an overwhelming force and going on the offensive. he will just be a peace of the war machine. he won't be given a chance like this. probably not until the rangdan xenocides or the heresy (assuming he lives that long).

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Fri 06 May 2022 02:12:33 No.5256718 Report

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>>5256713
>I suppose the real question is if we can be sure Frederick is up for the task of mastering a Titan machine spirit. Titans are an order of magnitude more ferocious than knights, something like only one in a million survive. Perhaps Talos can accurately tell that Frederick will pass.

Best counterpoint I've heard so far. Titan Machine Spirits are notoriously feisty. I think experience driving a multistory killing machine with a mind of it's own might prepare him a bit better for the experience (grant plusses) but we can't feel even a bit aggrieved if QM makes us roll for MIU compatibility or whatever and we end up losing him with a critfail. Doesn't mean we shouldn't let him try.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 06 May 2022 02:13:34 No.5256719 Report

Quoted By: >>5256726 >>5256740

And honestly, if there is even a likely chance Talos can see Frederick surviving the trials to become a Princep the mere fact of saying this would likely guarantee he would become one.

The Collegia have waged wars and sent fleets to scour planets on the slightest chance of a lost pilot having survived, so rare they are, and would probably pay ungodly amounts of resources to poach him from Borgias anyway. Not everyone, not even every knight, can just up and become a Princep.

So ultimately, yeah, if he can become a Princep we probably should go ahead and make him one. Because if we don't, someone else is going to figure out he can be one and push for him to be one anyway.

Perhaps Talos already knew Frederick was princep material, but kept it hidden from him until now knowing this.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Fri 06 May 2022 02:14:22 No.5256722 Report

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>>5256717
I wants to bleev. If he doesn't save one of ours he can exterminate one of theirs for equivalent course credit, OK?

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Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Fri 06 May 2022 02:15:15 No.5256724 Report

Quoted By: >>5256725 >>5256730 >>5256763 >>5257557

>>5256648
>>As reward the *Insert Knight* shall be made with the latest in C4R’s technology.
>Borgius Impaler

And it will have a Tungsten pic related as a CQC weapon! And oh boy you will KNOW when that thing is punching through heavy armor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rftGYQ5y2bA

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Fri 06 May 2022 02:17:47 No.5256725 Report

Quoted By: >>5256728 >>5256729

>>5256724
le meme piledriver... I'd really rather a proper chainfist, as this is 40k and not Evangelion or whatever.

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Anonymous ID:6FhbGcRV Fri 06 May 2022 02:18:19 No.5256726 Report

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>>5256719
>Talos "You know, I think you would make a good Princep."
>The Collegia Titanica, 0.001 nanoseconds later:

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Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Fri 06 May 2022 02:19:40 No.5256728 Report

Quoted By: >>5256732

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzRaWy7NG4M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UPKAULKa_Q

That's the stuff! "oh so you have a superb thick armour impervious to most ranged weaponry?" *CLUNK *
>>5256725
Come on, only the whole situation is a meme. And chainswords are cool and all but what is better "muh monomolecular teeth" or "CLUNK"

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Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Fri 06 May 2022 02:22:49 No.5256729 Report

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https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PileBunker
Oh so it's PILE BUNKER

>>5256725
Come ooon it's not like I am suggesting replacing a Chainsword with a Power Drill. Way meme-ier

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 06 May 2022 02:23:00 No.5256730 Report

Quoted By: >>5256734 >>5256744

>>5256724
So a Knight Valiant?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Fri 06 May 2022 02:24:56 No.5256732 Report

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>>5256728
Tell you what, we can mount it under the Melta cannon on the ranged arm as a bayonet surprise, but we really do need the chainblade to fence and parry (also rip and tear) with.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Fri 06 May 2022 02:26:54 No.5256734 Report

Quoted By: >>5256739

>>5256730
Isn't that more of a harpoon gun though?

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 06 May 2022 02:29:20 No.5256739 Report

Quoted By: >>5256742

>>5256734
But it can be used in CQC since the Knights are so huge.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Fri 06 May 2022 02:31:27 No.5256740 Report

Quoted By: >>5256743

>>5256719
Can we at least agree to let him test for Princeps?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Fri 06 May 2022 02:33:03 No.5256742 Report

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>>5256739
If we are including one let's make it a fuckhueg version of the taser lances the Sydonian Dragoons carry.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 06 May 2022 02:33:30 No.5256743 Report

Quoted By: >>5256745 >>5256757

>>5256740
Well, you see, this is a quest. If you vote for it, it will likely happen unless I was being an ass.

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Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Fri 06 May 2022 02:34:13 No.5256744 Report

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>>5256730
Alright, this is a compromise accept!
https://wahapedia.ru/wh40k9ed/factions/imperial-knights/Knight-Valiant
Alright so this is Dominus class... but could it be BIGGER?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Fri 06 May 2022 02:34:45 No.5256745 Report

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>>5256743
I did vote, I'm trying to persuade Nano to switch his.

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Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Fri 06 May 2022 02:36:16 No.5256746 Report

Quoted By: >>5256753 >>5257331 >>5257334

Look at the STATS ON THAT THING

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:0Z0IQ/3G Fri 06 May 2022 02:37:57 No.5256747 Report

Quoted By: >>5257557

>>5256648
>For such actions, you will become House Borgius’ first Princep and a Titan to match such an honor.
Nano has a point. If we notice Frederic can become a Princep it's a matter of time until the collegia will too and try to make him one even if we dont. He would already be a Princep by now if Dutonis wasnt isolated.
Were just fulfilling his true destiny now that we have the time and resources.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Fri 06 May 2022 02:42:04 No.5256753 Report

Quoted By: >>5256763

>>5256746
Now that's some tasty 'poon. Change your vote to Titan and let's get a twin-linked version set in a carapace mount on a platform with actual void shields and a higher wound count.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:p5gv9iys Fri 06 May 2022 02:43:24 No.5256757 Report

Quoted By: >>5256758 >>5256759

>>5256743
But now I wonder, if we don't pick it, does that mean he didn't have the potential, or he had it and it went to waste?
Is this some kind of reverse quantum ogre situation?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Fri 06 May 2022 02:44:14 No.5256758 Report

Quoted By: >>5256767

>>5256757
Only one way to really know for sure...
(Vote to let him test)

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 06 May 2022 02:44:21 No.5256759 Report

Quoted By: >>5256765

>>5256757
It would mean he does not. You don't have to worry about protocols reversing your decision.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Fri 06 May 2022 02:46:08 No.5256763 Report

Quoted By: >>5256766 >>5256770 >>5257573

>>5256753
Oh damn you ARE convincing me... but a titan with one makes little sense...
UNLESS IT'S MANY TIMES LARGER AND IT'S MADE TO SHOOT AT A TZEENTCH DEMON ENGINE
Changing my vote from >>5256724 to:
>For such actions, you will become House Borgius’ first Princep and a Titan to match such an honor.

QM Please give us a apartment sized thundercoil harpoon, please please please QM please please please
please

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Fri 06 May 2022 02:47:07 No.5256765 Report

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>>5256759
Unless of course down the road a schismatic Dark Magos shows him what could have been and since we failed to promote him we end up having to fight one of our own (formerly) loyal mooks at the head of a Traitor Maniple backed up by a horde of Iron Warriors and corrupted Automata...

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 06 May 2022 02:48:43 No.5256766 Report

Quoted By: >>5256778

>>5256763
I mean, it already kills them.

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Anonymous ID:p5gv9iys Fri 06 May 2022 02:48:49 No.5256767 Report

Quoted By: >>5256771

>>5256758

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Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Fri 06 May 2022 02:49:16 No.5256770 Report

Quoted By: >>5256778

>>5256763
dare we dream it... carapace mounted Gatling Electro-Poon with pintle mounted autostubbers?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Fri 06 May 2022 02:50:17 No.5256771 Report

Quoted By: >>5256776

>>5256767
luddite

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 06 May 2022 02:50:50 No.5256773 Report

Quoted By: >>5256774 >>5256776 >>5256777 >>5256786 >>5256968

So I will say this now, think of choosing the Titan Option as starting of a Legio Titanica. Mars afterall has two Titan Legions, so why can't Lucius? One of legendary Princes/Nobles and the other made of those selected specifically by the Tech Priests from the common rabble.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 06 May 2022 02:52:22 No.5256774 Report

Quoted By: >>5256780 >>5256786 >>5256804 >>5256820 >>5256853 >>5256968 >>5257223 >>5257329

>>5256773
As for the other, it will be a start in adapting Teleportation Technology into the Knights of Dutonis. Also it will give Borgius what will become the strongest of their warmachines. If I had to default for the Knight, it would of course be the Magera.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:p5gv9iys Fri 06 May 2022 02:53:17 No.5256776 Report

Quoted By: >>5256781

>>5256771
If you weren't so desperate to try to convince everyone, I would have, but it's funnier this way.
>>5256773
That sounds a way better than deal, I thought it was just his reward.
However, since I'm sure that option will win, I can be stubborn for the meme.

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Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Fri 06 May 2022 02:53:43 No.5256777 Report

Quoted By: >>5256778

>>5256773
Let Them Walk

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Fri 06 May 2022 02:54:17 No.5256778 Report

Quoted By: >>5256788

>>5256770
come on, the whole COOL of the thing is that it is ONE shot! What next, an angry marine is cowboy riding the thing while shooting his bolter? cool
>>5256766
Hmm... yes it does... Damn it, I think I will stay with my vote change... Borgius will experience a religious awakening, I tell you.
First, he proved for himself that the Machine God is watching over their battles and will now be made into an Avatar.
>>5256777 Amen

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:p5gv9iys Fri 06 May 2022 02:55:01 No.5256780 Report

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>>5256774
Well nevermind, having our knights be able to keep up with our teleporting legion is better than just having an extra one.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Fri 06 May 2022 02:56:00 No.5256781 Report

Quoted By: >>5256784

>>5256776
I'm not sure why I got so invested in this, I just think that losing an arm and a wiener is a hell of a sacrifice, and Particep Semper should never lack for properly scaled battlefield companionship.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:p5gv9iys Fri 06 May 2022 02:59:09 No.5256784 Report

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>>5256781
That's completly understandable, and it's the good kind of quest autism on my books anyway.

Son of Nanomachine

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 06 May 2022 03:00:18 No.5256786 Report

Quoted By: >>5256798 >>5256803

>>5256648
Switch to
>For such actions, you will become House Borgius’ first Princep and a Titan to match such an honor.
Thinking it over, Borgias can't really complain. We can justify it by saying that looking over the medicae files it struck us by display of his willpower that he is princeps worthy, a one in a million chance.

Even if he hadn't been honorable and had been just a kid we found on the street that survived a fist fight, if a Primarch notices you can become a Princeps you are going to become a Princeps. Him being a knight and being able to bring honor to his house is a bonus. Like being a psyker or a null, you don't just leave that you find the black ships or the black ships are going to find you.

It will mean more years of training, more surgeries, it will mean Frederick will be away from the war for a time and leave about his Knights from the high throne of a Titan chair but never truly stand at their side again, a chance to make new friends and new comrades in the college but not be a Knight no longer. It may even mean his son will need to be trained to be a knight by another man other than himself, as he will need to focus his efforts on his skill as a Princeps. But we can give him the consolation, hopefully, by secretly telling him we have notice that his rival Alexander is also Princeps worthy.

And if he isn't going to become a Titan Pilot, is he going to let Alexander become one before him?

>>5256773
It may set a dangerous precedent in our case. We aren't just making two Titan legions from scratch, we are also showing that its perfectly okay to take members of a Knights house and induct them into the Collegia. In the best of case, it will encourage more collusion among the houses but in the worst case it might encourage the Collegia to start trying to recruit or even poach knights away from their houses.

But, typically, knight houses are more than capable of defending themselves and truth be told I doubt there would be many knight houses who would reject the opportunity for at least one of their members to earn the honor of becoming a Princeps.

>>5256774
Is there no love for the Acastus? It's the biggest knight of all! Sure its standard format is for long range firepower, but who says Talos has to follow standard design when it comes to anything.

We're already integrating teleportation technology into them.

It also probably kills gargants better.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Fri 06 May 2022 03:00:29 No.5256788 Report

Quoted By: >>5256808

>>5256778
>come on, the whole COOL of the thing is that it is ONE shot!
Missing the point. The cool part is we can use the tether to electrocute/EMP targets and retract them into chainfist/melta range. A gatling electro-poon would still be single shot, like a revolver, but we can afford to take more shots and cut tethers as needed. High fire rate on something like that would just result in tangled tethers and lethal feedback.

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Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Fri 06 May 2022 03:03:47 No.5256798 Report

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>>5256786
Omnissiah bless you for your consideration and the logical reassignment your sanction, kind Magos.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Fri 06 May 2022 03:08:43 No.5256803 Report

Quoted By: >>5256806

>>5256786
The idea of a Titan Legion staffed with former Skitarii Alphas and battle hardened Domini is way too sexy to pass up, and will be a serious morale boost for the rank and file.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 06 May 2022 03:09:17 No.5256804 Report

Quoted By:

>>5256774
WAIT
You're also tying in some research options for the knights in this?

If we pick that option, we will get teleporting knights faster? Holy hell that beats out getting a new Princeps by a longshot.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 06 May 2022 03:11:15 No.5256806 Report

Quoted By: >>5256807 >>5256815

>>5256803
If it were that easy the Collegia would keep recruitment to within techpriests.

Its mentioned that they would prefer to but are compelled to search far and wide for suitable candidates because its just so hard to find even one person who could hopefully become a Princeps.

The rates or survival might be lower than even space marine aspirants

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Fri 06 May 2022 03:12:42 No.5256807 Report

Quoted By:

>>5256806
we do have quite a large recruiting pool though...

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Fri 06 May 2022 03:13:15 No.5256808 Report

Quoted By: >>5256811

>>5256788
okay I missed the point... So Gatling Arc Thundercoil Harpoon.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Fri 06 May 2022 03:14:09 No.5256811 Report

Quoted By:

>>5256808
Yes, this exactly. for all teh zapzaps

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Fri 06 May 2022 03:18:34 No.5256815 Report

Quoted By: >>5256818 >>5256968 >>5257058

>>5256806
Also, we're kind of a really good Genetor. If we can figure out the genes that determine compatibility we can start a breeding program like we have for Acillians and Navigators

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Fri 06 May 2022 03:21:11 No.5256818 Report

Quoted By:

>>5256815
compatibility for what. Aspirants are all about MUH WILPOWER and the power of friendship

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 06 May 2022 03:23:43 No.5256820 Report

Quoted By: >>5256821 >>5256824

>>5256774
Looking at the stats on Wahapedia the Magera is certainly a better all arounder than the Acastus, but that extra Toughness is juicy.

And movement doesn't matter when you teleport, just like Terminators.

Nothing stops Talos from designing a Knight that has the armor thickness of an Acastus, but the weapons and shield loudout of a Megara right QM?

Really tempted to change votes again because holy damn teleporting knights and titans is a major breakthrough, where as we can always just recruit more Titan legions from other forge worlds or build them conventionally anyway

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 06 May 2022 03:25:54 No.5256821 Report

Quoted By: >>5256830 >>5256835

>>5256820
I mean here is a really dumb idea. Take the Harpoon Gun from the Valiant and put it on the Magera to replace the Lightening cannon. Then when the Magera start reeling in the target it slaps the target with its massive siege claw.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Fri 06 May 2022 03:27:49 No.5256824 Report

Quoted By: >>5256828

>>5256820
>And movement doesn't matter when you teleport, just like Terminators.
Assault Termies or Melee Knights have an almost even money chance to 'port in, fail their charge, then get wiped the next turn. Titans can orbitally insert and have void shields to survive the next round until they get a guaranteed charge. Deep Strike is Deep Strike, I vote for survivability.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 06 May 2022 03:32:15 No.5256828 Report

Quoted By: >>5256833

>>5256824
True, but the Knights have the Machine God on their side. He gives them a 3d6 drop the lowest when attempting a charge (lol).

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Fri 06 May 2022 03:33:59 No.5256830 Report

Quoted By:

>>5256821
I was thinking basically the same thing for the Reaver carapace mount, except multibarrel and we bake then shake with the melta and chainfist once in close quarters.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Fri 06 May 2022 03:36:27 No.5256833 Report

Quoted By:

>>5256828
Never again will I underestimate GW's willingness to cheese rules to sell a profitable new model line.
-My buddy Dave,circa 1997 upon getting cornholed by massed Darklance fire for the first time

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 06 May 2022 03:37:02 No.5256835 Report

Quoted By: >>5256836 >>5256837

>>5256821
Yes but QM the armor! The size!
Ya gitz, BIGGA IZ BETTA
I'm totally fine with say, uparmoring a Megara variant and the weapons aren't too important to me so much as just us being able to objectively say our stuff is bigger and fancier than anyone else's. What's the point of making Lucius rival mars in production if we're not using it to give our boys bigger toys than everyone else?

Sure its heavier and a bit slower, but they really aren't going to need to be fast when they are teleporting. We can even give them good shields.

The difference between 30 wounds and 24 wounds is somewhat significant in game isn't it? If it isn't, then it's least significant fluffwise to me.

That's doable isn't it?

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 06 May 2022 03:38:43 No.5256836 Report

Quoted By:

>>5256835
When looking at rules think of them as like, 10 or 15 what is said to be the fluff version. So yeah 6 wound difference is significant.

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Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Fri 06 May 2022 03:38:56 No.5256837 Report

Quoted By: >>5256841

>>5256835
I'll just leave this here for reference.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 06 May 2022 03:41:56 No.5256841 Report

Quoted By: >>5256845

>>5256837
The Castus is evidently comparable to a "Scout Titan" which usually refers to the Warhound.

The Maegara doesn't appear to be as big as that from what i'm reading.

So yeah, if we're gonna upgrade Frederick's steed, let's at least give him the biggest damn chassis we can.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Fri 06 May 2022 03:47:34 No.5256845 Report

Quoted By: >>5256847 >>5256853

>>5256841
>"Scout Titan"
This phrase certainly gives "recon by fire" a new meaning.

Machine QM

Machine QM ID:ssVV8liS Fri 06 May 2022 03:53:44 No.5256847 Report

Quoted By: >>5256854 >>5256861

>>5256845
Well that's why Warhounds officially are.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:0Z0IQ/3G Fri 06 May 2022 03:59:26 No.5256853 Report

Quoted By: >>5256854 >>5256860

>>5256774
With this new information, I would like to switch to
>As reward the *Archangel Borgius* shall be made with the latest in C4R’s technology.
I dont much see the point in getting two titan legions when we can just double the size of our one, like Horus did with Legio Mortis. New technology is always more valuable.
>>5256845
How in depth do you want us players to go when it comes to specifications for the new knights?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:0Z0IQ/3G Fri 06 May 2022 04:00:06 No.5256854 Report

Quoted By:

>>5256853
Question meant for >>5256847

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 06 May 2022 04:04:27 No.5256860 Report

Quoted By: >>5256901

>>5256853
If you make Variants than they will simply be special cases rather than the rule.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Fri 06 May 2022 04:05:15 No.5256861 Report

Quoted By:

>>5256847
Not disagreeing, just commenting on how bad things have gotten if we need to send out small office buildings to have a quick nip around the perimeter to see what's what.
"Moderatus 890724578, motion 11 o'clock, range 370 meters, declination 22 degrees, fire for effect." "Firing, my Princeps... Target neutralized, m'lord. 2 gretchin with a looted mortar and a ferret-shaped loader squig, out of the fight! Omnissiah be praised, we've made the difference today!" "Oh bugger off, 890724578, I didn't mean the spotters, I meant the bloody Mega-Gargant cresting the hill behind them!" "Recalibrating...."

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cassandra malcador NEO DEUS EX unordinaryjohn ID:1zri2W8d Fri 06 May 2022 04:08:05 No.5256862 Report

Quoted By: >>5256873 >>5256874

>>5255409
what in the arg is this?
wtf I did not know there was a thread like this?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Fri 06 May 2022 04:15:30 No.5256873 Report

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>>5256862
By Arg, do you mean the presidential palace of Afghanistan, or something else? Genuinely confused here. Might actually make a case for it to be still standing on Terra as some sort of Techno-barbarian or renegade Thunder Warrior stronghold though.

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Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Fri 06 May 2022 04:16:32 No.5256874 Report

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>>5256862

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Anonymous ID:FpmUcMW6 Fri 06 May 2022 04:38:02 No.5256891 Report

Quoted By: >>5257557

>>5256648
>As a reward the Archangel Borgius shall be made with the latest in C4R’s technology.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 06 May 2022 04:56:06 No.5256901 Report

Quoted By: >>5256907

>>5256692
>As a reward the Archangel Borgius shall be made with the latest in C4R’s technology.
Sorry to switch a third time but I also think that teleporting knights is more useful than trying to start a second titan legion (when as was pointed out we can just make our existing one bigger instead)

Archangel Borgius is actually a better name desu

>>5256860
Guess Lucius is still limited in R&D department.

I imagine it will cost a lot of effort just to invent prototype a teleporting knight in the first place, let alone making one that can be produced in numbers to be called a variant rather than a rare prototype. We can work on a variant later.

Talos will just have to gather the means to research and develop new things to use Lucius vast industrial potential. If Lucius is to challenge Mars, it's got to be more than just rich. Any industrial world or manufactorum planet can be rich or produce a lot of common designs. It's gotta get smart if truly intends to challenge the Martian pre-eminence in all fields.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:0Z0IQ/3G Fri 06 May 2022 05:10:08 No.5256907 Report

Quoted By: >>5256940

>>5256901
That's also why we are going to meet up with the other forges. No one planet, not even Mars can be good at everything.
Lucius has its teleporters and solar ore.
Ryza has superior plasma tech.
Stygies has its stealth tech and xenos studies.
Metallica has its infantry guns and tactics.

Every forge world is a cog that forms the greater machine of the Admech.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Fri 06 May 2022 05:56:18 No.5256940 Report

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>>5256907
Agreed, just because Mars is the origin or axis in this metaphor, doesn't make it more important than any other forge world.
We/TaL0S don't want to supplant Mars, even if they will likely take it that way, the forge worlds have to be reminded that the Mechanicum isn't a Monarchy ruled by Mars or Terra, but a symbiotic relationship.

In that same line of thinking, i propose that we take a few Magos from the other forgeworld in the Federation with us to demonstrate this in praxis, better not be hypocritical from the very start. We could even take some representatives from the forgeworlds that agree with us to the next ones, an ever growing alliance.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:8mKgPoHX Fri 06 May 2022 06:46:24 No.5256968 Report

Quoted By: >>5257058

>>5256648
>As reward the Archangel Borgius shall be made with the latest in C4R’s technology.
Teleporting Knights Ahoy.

>>5256773
How many Titan and Knight Legions can we even support? We already made deals with the Knight Worlds to supply them with new Knights. Of the Knights we have newly started manufacturing we requisitioned many of them and their pilots for the war efforts. With the resources and manpower we are getting from the new worlds we could consider making more Titan Legions. Yet isn't the pilot standards easier to meet with the Knights vs Titans? Then again we do have a lot more worlds to filter for the needed talents.

>>5256774
Holy shit nevermind. Teleporting knights is far more useful and less resource demanding to be able to derive that upgrade.

>>5256815
Would the Navigators even trust us to do that? We kinda overpowered all opposition and the other Genetors also agreed with the family planning when they confirmed it was the only viable way to increase Astarte gene carriers population for recruitment purposes. As for Princips recruiting was it ever even mentioned to be gene related? I thought it was some special rare neurological conditioning which is why there is such an absolute pain in the ass to find. Navigators tend to be an extremely paranoid and possessive bunch despite Tal0S being a top tier Genetor. I don't even know if we can fix the recruitment issues with Princeps. Apparently Knights don't have that kind of problem but even they have side effects in how their pilots are conditioned and groomed over generations.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:AY9l4n4t Fri 06 May 2022 06:47:40 No.5256969 Report

Quoted By: >>5257557

>>5256648
>For such actions, you will become House Borgius’ first Princep and a Titan to match such an honor.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UZ0FXdAH Fri 06 May 2022 09:08:41 No.5257029 Report

Quoted By: >>5257058 >>5257557

>>5256648
>As a reward, the noble machine shall be remade with the latest in C4Rs technology.

I'd like to upgrade Dominus Borgius rather than make a new thing wholesale.
Just to maintain that sister link to fredericks knight.
Preserve the spirits.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 06 May 2022 10:01:24 No.5257058 Report

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>>5257029
No one says we can't use the old machine spirit from his previous knight (if it survived) in making the brand new one.

>>5256968
>>5256815
Well we know that to become an acillian or a princeps is reliant on willpower. Theoretically, while I doubt Talos can make humans that perfectly succeed every time, with such advanced knowledge of human neurology he could attempt to create a breed of humans or at least modify a class of them to be more likely to succeed by having a genetic predisposition to willpower.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4175917/

We know in canon that willpower can be increased genetically by 40k by merit of the genestealer cults. The offspring of downtrodden serfs become even more fanatical and utterly devoted to the cause than Chaos cultists, who only rely on the supposed promise of power or a better life. In almost all the books genestealers cultists are portrayed as being altered to be fanatical at the genetic level, never giving up even at the hand of torture, because their brains have been hardwired to be incapable of despair and have unshakable belief in the "cause"

Talos could theoretically try to improve the chances of Princeps dynasties aspirants surviving through some neural adjustments, combined also with his own superior spiritual knowledge of how to tame machine spirits and become one with the machine. I'm sure he could write a book that actual Collegia students would find supremely useful as Guilliman's codexes of war.

It would be yet another thing to add to our to-do list which by my reckoning for us players is already well into the hundred. In character I imagine Talos own To-Do list reaches into the thousands of items on a daily basis. We're probably like the Emperor in that same regard, we can just forsee SO much to do but are so limited in our capacity to do it

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:RZ7inAdy Fri 06 May 2022 10:03:27 No.5257061 Report

Quoted By: >>5257557

>>5256648#
>As a reward, the noble machine shall be remade with the latest in C4Rs technology.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 06 May 2022 10:28:12 No.5257068 Report

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A man is comprised of three parts, a mind, a body, and a soul, each of which are reliant upon the other and all of which can be understood via the Machine Gods science and faith.

We know a mans body is weak if deprived of food, sleep, rest, but even the fittest natural body pales to those augmented and provided the best environment to train it. Enhanced genetic sinews, Catalepsean/Cybernetic sleep replacers, artificial food dispensers, plus rigorous physical endurance training. Genetics can result in a far stronger breed of body such as Ogryns or Astartes.

The same is proven true of the mind. Through education and determination a man becomes smart. But even normal human limits can be exceeded through science. Cybernetic augmentation, brain tissue enhancements, hypnomat and information uploads. These are the things that separates the smartest man from the smartest techpriest.

Even the soul. Courage and bravery are a combination of hormones as adrenaline and cortisol, cultural upbringing and history, and the genetic neurological makeup of his mind that predisposes one to fight or flight, bravery or cravenry. As we have seen from Skitarii and Astartes, these too can be augmented, with either cybernetic fear suppressants or genetic ones as the Astartes who "know no fear". As the mind can be educated, the soul can be taught via faith, rites and the religion of the machine cult.

Talos is a Techpriest. He is at once genetor of the body, neurologist of the mind, and psychologist and preacher to the soul. I'm sure he could come up with many ways to boost the chances of Princep aspirant survival from both science and faith.

Perhaps he could offer the Princeps families to make their aspirants a little bit like psudo-acillians, so their bodies are less likely to reject the implants and minds enhanced and educated by knowledge and faith with direct insight to the nature of machine spirits by Talos to give them the best chance to not be overcome by the machine spirit. It would give them more material to work with higher chances of survival.

We are the only Primarch to truly become one with a Titan's machine spirit and speak to it. Something not even Perturabo, Ferrus or Vulkan did! Imagine what knowledge or improvements to the training program Talos could impart as perhaps the greatest Princeps the universe has ever seen. I mean, unless the Emperor ever wanted to drive a Titan for fun in the Dark Age.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 06 May 2022 12:34:07 No.5257106 Report

Quoted By: >>5257139 >>5257244 >>5257246 >>5257329 >>5257424 >>5257547

Hmm, how about instead of Archangel Borgius we can it Borgius Seraphim or Archangelus Borgius to avoid the English.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:p5gv9iys Fri 06 May 2022 13:28:59 No.5257139 Report

Quoted By:

>>5257106
That's good for me, but if we are trying to avoid english than we got to go for Archangelus instead of Seraphim.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:7N6v0dRZ Fri 06 May 2022 13:44:58 No.5257145 Report

Quoted By: >>5257223 >>5257239 >>5257266 >>5257329 >>5257547 >>5257557

>>5256648
Whatever the vote is
>Preserve the machinespirit of Dominus Borgius if possible.

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Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Fri 06 May 2022 14:33:28 No.5257165 Report

Quoted By:

but what hierarchy would Borgius be. Just the third?
Well it fits if TalOS is "just" a Dominus...
No need to worry about english, just call it Angelus! and Archangelus of course

Son of Nanomachine

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 06 May 2022 15:05:42 No.5257185 Report

Quoted By: >>5257187 >>5257223 >>5257266 >>5257329 >>5257334

>>5256648
>Proposal as to the design of the Archangel Borgius
Information in next post

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 06 May 2022 15:08:37 No.5257187 Report

Quoted By: >>5257331

>>5257185
The Acastus Frame is the largest knight frame there is, but we'll call it a Magera Version to note that it's still capable of melee combat up close rather than being a long range hitter.

It would be armed with:
Volkite chieorovile - For a knight this appears to be the hardest hitten AP weapon among the various variants, it's a heavy 5 weapon with AP -3. If someone else knows a better Gargant killer lemme know
Twin rad-cleanser - Shoulder Mounted, where the Heavy Stubber and Rondel would normally be. Perfect for getting rid of the ground chaff and auto-hits
Helios Defense Missile - Has more AP compared to ronstorm missile pod, and if he's teleporting forward to enemies he isn't gonna need indirect fire much.
Hekaton siege or Reaper Chainsword - If he wants to sword he can sword, but the Hekaton Siege Claw seems really good for cracking open other titans and knights because Crush has -4 AP

Ionic Flare Shield - Better than Ion Shields because it protects against both ranged and melee
Empyreal Preysight - The enemy cannot hide
Occular Augmetics (31st Millennium Only) - Well, it is the 31st Millenium. never know if you're going to need a night battle or a battle in fog!

And of course, it will have an installed Teleportarium beacon protoype.

Trying to come up with a quick Blender display of what it would look like but no one has released the Asterius Arms stl file unfortunately.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:6FhbGcRV Fri 06 May 2022 15:50:05 No.5257223 Report

Quoted By:

>>5256774
>As reward the Archangel Borgius shall be made with the latest in C4R’s technology.
I'm gonna join the others and vote this, this is much better than another Titan legion.
>>5257145
>>5257185
>Supporting
We should recover and preserve the machine spirit of the Original Borgius. Also if this is the best kit we can give Frederic to make him extra tanky so he can hunt more enemy titans, I'll back it

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:p5gv9iys Fri 06 May 2022 16:06:58 No.5257239 Report

Quoted By:

>>5257145
>Agreed

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Fri 06 May 2022 16:16:10 No.5257244 Report

Quoted By:

>>5257106
Oh I like the seraphim name, that's quite poetic

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:6FhbGcRV Fri 06 May 2022 16:17:24 No.5257246 Report

Quoted By:

>>5257106
>Supporting this name too

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iXzGk5xK Fri 06 May 2022 16:51:09 No.5257266 Report

Quoted By:

>>5256648
>As reward the Archangelus Borgius shall be made with the latest in C4R’s technology.
>>5257145
>>5257185
>Backing these

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:QZdjH+c3 Fri 06 May 2022 18:34:02 No.5257329 Report

Quoted By:

>>5256774
>As reward the *Borgius Seraphim* shall be made with the latest in C4R’s technology.
>a start in adapting Teleportation Technology into the Knights of Dutonis
We shouldn't pass up this opportunity
>>5257106
>+1 Support
It is a good name
>>5257145
>+1 Support
The Machine Spirit of the Dominus Borgius absolutely deserves the honor too
>>5257185
>+1 Support
Love the stats and the weapons. It's should be able to fight in melee and ranged.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Fri 06 May 2022 18:34:12 No.5257331 Report

Quoted By: >>5257341

>>5257187
>Volkite chieorovile - For a knight this appears to be the hardest hitten AP weapon among the various variants, it's a heavy 5 weapon with AP -3. If someone else knows a better Gargant killer lemme know
But my harpoon... AP -6... bonus to hit against large stuff.... absurd strength.... AND BADASS
>>5256746

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Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Fri 06 May 2022 18:37:13 No.5257334 Report

Quoted By: >>5257341

>>5257185
>>Volkite chieorovile - For a knight this appears to be the hardest hitten AP weapon among the various variants, it's a heavy 5 weapon with AP -3. If someone else knows a better Gargant killer lemme know
But what about the HARPOOON >>5256746
way better

Son of Nanomachine

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 06 May 2022 18:43:11 No.5257341 Report

Quoted By: >>5257547

>>5257334
>>5257331
TADA!

Because even Talos and Frederick can appreciate the value of glorious variety!

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 06 May 2022 18:59:02 No.5257353 Report

Quoted By: >>5257361 >>5257383 >>5257400 >>5257552

Some concept art.
I unfortunately could not find the actual arms for the Castus Asterius on google, so I jurry rigged it a bit.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Fri 06 May 2022 19:12:47 No.5257361 Report

Quoted By:

>>5257353
mmm... Avatars of God... excellent
>>>/gif/22596330 very heretic

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:p5gv9iys Fri 06 May 2022 19:42:54 No.5257383 Report

Quoted By:

>>5257353
No no, you didn't jury rig anything, it's just a unique design of the Lucius pattern Castus Asterius

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:0Z0IQ/3G Fri 06 May 2022 19:59:26 No.5257400 Report

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>>5257353
Frederic's steed reborn looks awesome my man. I bet he'd like the harpoon, if a knight is gonna teleport right up to an enemy might as well hit them hard. Plus he can pull them close and crush them with the siege claw.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Fri 06 May 2022 20:16:28 No.5257424 Report

Quoted By:

>>5257106
I like Seraphim.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n4eOc/ys Fri 06 May 2022 22:07:37 No.5257547 Report

Quoted By: >>5257557

>>5257106
Borgius Seraphim

>>5257145
>>5257341
>>support write-ins

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n4eOc/ys Fri 06 May 2022 22:13:25 No.5257552 Report

Quoted By:

>>5257353
The harpoon and siege claw is likely to be the prince's preferred loadout. The Volkite has more range and fires more, but trying to gun down an enemy titan from range isn't his way. He has balls.

Well, had balls. We'll get him some new ones.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 06 May 2022 22:32:00 No.5257557 Report

Quoted By: >>5257561 >>5257573 >>5257588

Knight
>>5256662
>>5256675
>>5256691
>>5256724
>>5256891
>>5257029
>>5257061
>>5257145
>>5257547

Titan
>>5256670
>>5256716
>>5256747
>>5256969

Maybe just Arch Angelus for the name. Adding Borgius seems a little weird and I would point out this Knight is not for his Household, but Fredric himself.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Fri 06 May 2022 22:35:24 No.5257561 Report

Quoted By: >>5257563

>>5257557
Oh come on, at least go with Arch Seraphim then

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:p5gv9iys Fri 06 May 2022 22:41:09 No.5257563 Report

Quoted By:

>>5257561
Let the Seraph be the gigaknight for Navarros if they ever get one.
Turns out Seraphim is the plural form.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Fri 06 May 2022 23:02:04 No.5257573 Report

Quoted By: >>5257577

>>5257557
sorry QM, things got messy with all the mindstorming but I ended up changing my vote to this other one right here desu, them titans
>>5256763

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 06 May 2022 23:03:07 No.5257577 Report

Quoted By: >>5257684

>>5257573
This is the reason I need you all to link your previous vote and only that vote when changing them. Its in the rules.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 06 May 2022 23:14:00 No.5257588 Report

Quoted By:

>>5257557
Arch Angelus is good.

But ideally, Alexander also gets his own Arch Angelus, so there would be some identifier.

Calling them both Arch Angelus would make it seem more like a variant pattern than the name of their personal rides

Arch Angelus Patronus Fredericus Regulus, "The Arch Angel Patron of Prince Frederick"

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 06 May 2022 23:19:32 No.5257595 Report

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“The talks of the flesh however is not the reason I am here today, Fredric.+ TalOS spoke the name as perfectly as any other man of the flesh would, “What I am here today is to present to you a great honor. One that I hope is remembered through Generations.”

The Prince looked at TalOS with a quizzical look about him. He took his one good flesh hand and rubbed the numerous pieces of metal that now inhabited his flesh, “What would that honor be?”

“Your engine kill, the destruction of an Ork Gargant, saved Lucius from what would surely have been many more years of brutal war waged by whatever Warboss was in the system.” TalOS gave the preface in a style befitting of a preacher talking to the anointed, “As I cannot exclaim my thanks in words alone it is through action. We, the Priests of Lucius, will present to you a new steed.”

“A… new Knight?” The wonder within the boy’s eyes gave TalOS a moment’s smile.

“Indeed. After talking we have agreed to give you the strongest possible steed that we can muster from our forges. Our goal was to create a Steed that would extinguish the virtues of the Mechanicum for all that see it. A mighty creation that would be able to face against lesser God Machines if the circumstance was right.+ TalOS declared all outright and without any need for subtlety, “Our aim was to create an Arch Angel. A Knight that could rightfully stand side by side with the God Machines and call itself among their kin.”

TalOS reached into his cloak and brought out a dataslate that had a design upon it, “This was the result of our creations, Angelus Dominus. Using the data of STCs found on Dutonis we have been able to decode a new pattern of Knight previously unavailable to your people. It shall have a chassis twice the side of a Dominus Chassis and have the tools of the Knight Valiant and Magera upon it.”

The boy looked upon the display with clear wonder on his face. TalOS could not help but feel his sheer desire in the fact that he was about to ride the future.

“With its Chassis being so large, we were able to integrate the Teleportation Matrixes of the Warhound God Machines into it.” TalOS declared as he pointed out an integral piece of the engine, “While the Chassis will be slow, it will be able to fly through the battlefield like the God Machines.”

“Th-thank you… Prophet.” The Prince said as he looked upon the display, “I, Prince Fredric of House Borgius, accept this award.”

“Good, and as an additional note we had recovered as many pieces of Borgius Dominus as we could. Your new warmachine should feel similar to the one you previously had.+

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 06 May 2022 23:20:34 No.5257597 Report

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TalOS could not describe the sheer wonder and thankfulness upon the face of Fredric at that moment.

+That went well.+ UZ1 told TalOS with a good sum of happiness within her speech, +I documented the event and prepared pictures in case you wish to distribute it.+

+Give those to D3X for later.+ TalOS told his assistant as they exited the building belonging to R3KT, +I don’t wish the Prince to be bothered by many folk until he recovers.+

+Then it shall be.+ The Adept answered before giving a solemn sigh, +A pity he could not join the ranks of the Legio Titanica.+

+Indeed, but even among the Nobles there were only three who seemed capable. A higher ratio than many other populations but simply having a line of Knights does not mean they can operation Titans.+ TalOS too lamented as he gave a small hum, +When will the Navigators be ready for us to depart?+

+As our fleet will be so small the Navigators will be ready to venture out in a week.+ UZ1 told TalOS while giving him the roster of who will be piloting their ship.

+What do you think of these people?+ TalOS pointed out as he looked over the roster himself, +They are as young as us from the demographics given. Do you think Mars is slighting us or helping us with such inexperienced Navigators.+

+IT can be seen as either.+ UZ1 admitted as she looked over the roster too, +From my experience with them I would think the latter. Though I also wonder if that is simply how these mutants expect to be treated in general.+

+I cannot say.+ TalOS admitted as he shook his head, +They want a way to stave off nullification technology… its possible.+

+Surely we could employ the crystals in some way.+ UZ admitted as she thought to herself, +Do you think the current could be changed to go against nullification?+

+Its possible, but I don’t like it.+

+Making a bubble within our defenses is indeed an unwise tactic.+ UZ1 admitted, +Doubly so if someone were to take our research to the other end of the scale.+

+Could be an easy way to detect heresy.+ TalOS pondered as they walked down the halls, +Those tempering with my design cannot be using it for good reasons.+

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 06 May 2022 23:21:35 No.5257599 Report

Quoted By: >>5257611 >>5257614 >>5257633 >>5257635 >>5257650 >>5257652 >>5257700 >>5257711 >>5257842 >>5257869 >>5258201 >>5258262 >>5258417

The two of them were walking in the open streets now with dozens of people walking past and by them. Seeing so many Priests, Servitors, and Serfs walking around helped the Tech Priests recognize that there was at least some normancy within the world. Even the spewing factories were but music to the ears of the one who spent so many lives protecting them from devistation.

+So I was kinda curious.+ UZ1 began the next leg of their conversation, +Have you been considering new augmentations?+

+It is something that is always within my mind.+ TalOS told the Adept with as must truth as he could place in a sentence, +I take it you have been looking at them yourself.+

She gave a nod upon hearing those words, +I am considering replacing my eyes. Its a minor dream, but I was hoping to rebuild my ocular organs with my own two hands to the point where I would not need glasses. They are after all an impediment in times of crisis.+

TalOS nodded to those words as he heard them, +Whether it be flesh or mechanical, I would be willing to help you with both.+

+Thanks.+ The girl said to the Primarch before giving him a once over, +I mentioned our travels because I was thinking you might be some more augmentations to make yourself more presentable. And I think you can do better than what you have.+

TalOS gave a nod to those words before testing out his flesh, +There are indeed vulnerabilities that need to be cleared. No matter how impressive my flesh is I cannot remain operational in the vacuum of space. While I contain a series of armaments upon my person as I know I am not near the limit of personal firepower.+

+You have just realized something.+ UZ1 pointed out with TalOS barely giving the hint.

+My blood is shared among my children, both Astartes of Acillian.+ TalOS admitted as he opened his still flesh hand, +During our travels it might be time to start research into figuring out the secrets of my creator and that can be used to better my own creations.+

+Oh, that would be cool.+ UZ1 admitted with an ever growing grin, +As I understand it they have improved eyesight too. Maybe I could see about grafting a pair for myself.+

>Develop the Psy-Candles for the Navigators
>Work on personal augmentations
>Prepare the genuine research into Acillian and Astartes.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 06 May 2022 23:32:31 No.5257609 Report

Quoted By: >>5257613

Hmm, young Navigators very interesting. Probably some penny pinching from Mars, but also opportunity to win them over to our side. It would be very useful to have a loyal young branch of navigators.

Oh look, another "Man I really love all these options but we only have time for one!" Damn it.

This is definitely not something I'm going to vote immediately, because wow these are all really important.
We definitely will benefit in our immediate travels and long term relations with our new psykers, which is also important given our investiture in Null tech so making them compatible is something we cannot ignore.

I feel like we should explore more of the Galaxy to find the most cool and nifty stuff to augment ourselves, but everything in small steps too. If we're going to explore a dungeon that has no air or toxic emissions that would make even a Primarch's skin itch, it would help to get tankier. Plus we can help make Uzi some awesome eyes!

Researching the Acillians and Astartes, that one I think we can sort of put off for a little while longer. The 2nd isn't yet with us, we haven't met their techpriests who would be closer to our ideal of what can be done. But we obvioulsy can't and should not ignore that forever.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:p5gv9iys Fri 06 May 2022 23:36:17 No.5257611 Report

Quoted By: >>5258818

>>5257599
>Develop the Psy-Candles for the Navigators
If it's going to be so nescessary, than might as well be us the ones making it.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:p5gv9iys Fri 06 May 2022 23:38:24 No.5257613 Report

Quoted By: >>5257615

>>5257609
I'm lersonally, I withholding the TalOS overhaul project until we get our hands on some of that sweet necrodermis and/or nanotech.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Fri 06 May 2022 23:40:01 No.5257614 Report

Quoted By: >>5258818

>>5257599
>Prepare the genuine research into Acillian and Astartes.
Geneator go. I'm waiting until we can find or make better tech for our arguments. Nanomachines will make all other augments irrelevant I prefer long term investments over short term ones.

Machine QM

Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 06 May 2022 23:41:42 No.5257615 Report

Quoted By: >>5257634 >>5257648

>>5257613
Nothing says you can't redo it later. TalOS can just reproduce old limbs.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sat 07 May 2022 00:00:48 No.5257632 Report

Quoted By: >>5257708

In these situations, I like to use a trinity of Faith, Logic and Heart to help decide.

Faith: None of these actions are more or less heretical. In such cases, to be faithful is to be devoted, to be devoted is to be logical. Defer to logic.

Logic: Logic dictates of the choices with limited time, it would be wise to help our young Navigators. Not only because we plan to travel at haste and meet up with forge worlds (thus by accelerating our travels we buy more time for us to do more things) but to ignore them is not only to be less likely to endear them to us, it also risks them becoming less effective with long term exposure to our Null fields. More importantly, by showing aid to our Navigators, we also proof we are not so fanatical to be an enemy of the Navigator Guilds, although we invest in Anti-Psyker tech we acknowledge there are some psykers given value by the Machine God. For now anyway, privately we likely share the Emperors ideal of weaning mankind away from the need for psykers but that's neither here nor now
And as anon mentions, if we do that oursevles now, we will be more easily in control of preventing its tampering and turning against us.
The only slight drawback of this is we aren't actually in connection with the Telepathica or Psykana ordos on Mars, but eh, Talos is smart so he can probably make do.

Heart: Upgrading isn't just a Talos action, it's also an UZI action. We get to give her some beautiful eyes. Maybe we can even chide her by giving them big beautiful lenses so she can easily do both microscopic circuitry and biology as easily as seeing the wings on a fly 10 miles away through the rain, as well as every ocular spectrum we can give her.

And its not every day we get to do UZI actions. Gotta grind those UZI points

2/3 indicators lean towards helping our psykers. But damn, I don't wanna miss an UZI moment.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UZ0FXdAH Sat 07 May 2022 00:00:50 No.5257633 Report

Quoted By: >>5258818

>>5257599
>Prepare genuine research into ancillians and astartes

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sat 07 May 2022 00:01:27 No.5257634 Report

Quoted By: >>5257638 >>5257648

>>5257615
To build on this, you guys do realize you can make future improvements on yourselves. Hell, since you have the mind of a Primarch, you can reverse most changes without issue. Even amputation can be reversed.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TL/saIlR Sat 07 May 2022 00:01:34 No.5257635 Report

Quoted By: >>5258818

>>5257599
>>Develop the Psy-Candles for the Navigators

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sat 07 May 2022 00:06:20 No.5257638 Report

Quoted By:

>>5257634
Indeed.

The only thing we can't really replace is our Brain, or the critical parts anyway, but all other things are interchangeable.

A long term goal could be after all, figuring out the best way to safeguard brain from harm while simultaneously allowing our body (or a body/surrogate form) to go out into the world and do the most dangerous explorations.

Maybe one day we should try and install a teleporter in our chest, so that just before our body might die our brain can be ported back to safety. That would truly fool the first Primarch that thinks they've killed us.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:p5gv9iys Sat 07 May 2022 00:15:34 No.5257648 Report

Quoted By:

>>5257615
>>5257634
The way I see it, is that doing a pitstop upgrade on ourselves taht we would just throw away later measn that we miss researching another thing in that moment, so I prefer to invest time in other more permanent upgrades until we get the resources to start the big project.
But then again I always go for long term upgrades in video games or tabletops, and sometimes it bites me in the ass.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fR+yno8R Sat 07 May 2022 00:17:17 No.5257650 Report

Quoted By: >>5258818

>>5257599
>Develop the Psy-Candles for the Navigators
This looks most important.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sat 07 May 2022 00:21:15 No.5257652 Report

Quoted By: >>5257654 >>5257696

>>5257599
OH! I just realized something QM.

If Talos could spend some time upgrading himself, does he currently have the Technology and resources on Lucius to develop secondary brains and subconsciousness's?

This could be a game changer if Talos can get some extra lesser brain power to work on side projects, that he can delegate thought experiments to. Exactly like Cawl and very many other Techpriests do. We can multitask, and let some of these projects be done in the background while the story can focus on Talos immediate actions!

Hell he could even try to gather up some Acillians and try to establish his first personal R&D team.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sat 07 May 2022 00:23:04 No.5257654 Report

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>>5257652
Wrong image lol. I was about to post for the Navigator option but then it struck me Talos could begin the first steps of a means by which he can delegate small projects or do them in the back of his head, multitasking. That would be supremely useful even on a small scale.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:6FhbGcRV Sat 07 May 2022 00:41:25 No.5257673 Report

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That is a good question, can Talos try to do something to delegate some of this? Upgrading his brainpower is good, and we also have some smart Acillians. Even the Emperor didn't try to do everything by himself.
Maybe we can train UZI to be be something like our Malcador.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Sat 07 May 2022 00:44:35 No.5257675 Report

Quoted By: >>5257686

If we start fucking with our brain to make it more efficient could we possibly be in a position to try and fix Angron when we come across him?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Sat 07 May 2022 00:52:44 No.5257684 Report

Quoted By: >>5257826

>>5257577
I... I did :(

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sat 07 May 2022 00:53:35 No.5257686 Report

Quoted By: >>5257691 >>5257692

>>5257675
I'll try to look up the exact moment it's in the book. The Emperor did realize that the Archaeotech had gotten in so deep into Angrons head that there was more machine than brain, and thus to remove it would kill him.

Theoretically i've heard it said by fans that if he and Magnus got together, maybe they could have magic'd it out. Gotta also check if they mention just, you know, not making it hurt and keeping the pain off.

BL really never reconciliated exactly what the Emperor's plan for Angron was. He shat on him, harder than any other Primarch, and didn't even acknowledge the fact that Angron was in all but essence a prisoner soldier in his army. Even Lorgar asked "why" and Angron had no answer. I wonder if Talos being one of the more empathetic would try and ask the Emperor. Even if the Emperor tells Talos it's a secret, it'd be a cool bit of personality for him.

Suppose then it would be at least a good opportunity to see if Talos can take a whack at the nails. It's not clear if the Emperor surpasses all his sons in their specialty trait, or they embody his traits to a higher degree and thus are better at their specialty than him. For example if Roboute is a better or worse logistician than the Emperor.

We didn't quite yet get a chance to see how smart the Emperor is or ask him deeper questions, something we should do when we get to Sol.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:6FhbGcRV Sat 07 May 2022 01:01:47 No.5257691 Report

Quoted By: >>5257697

>>5257686
Lorgar only asked about Angron's meeting with the emperor by the heresy on Nuceria, and he was as close to a friend as Angron could call anyone a friend. It's probable none of the primarchs knew much of Angron during the Crusade other than his brutality, the Emperor wasn't going to let others know.

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Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Sat 07 May 2022 01:02:00 No.5257692 Report

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>>5257686
I wonder in what side of the civil war did Malcador the Bro and the Emperor put us in, in their calculations...

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Machine QM ID:ssVV8liS Sat 07 May 2022 01:08:42 No.5257696 Report

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>>5257652
If that is what you guys wanna work towards.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sat 07 May 2022 01:09:58 No.5257697 Report

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>>5257691
That does actually make a lot of sense. Not every brother was so open to telling their backstory or the full truth of it.
>>5257692
Well if we we go by canon, we're on the side that doesn't exist. Along with our other brother in the 11th.

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Anonymous ID:x+hl93ja Sat 07 May 2022 01:13:23 No.5257700 Report

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>>5257599

>Develop the Psy-Candles for the Navigators

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Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Sat 07 May 2022 01:21:34 No.5257708 Report

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>>5257632
And I agree, this is a decision we definitely cannot take lightly. This text is long so check out the bottom of the post *wink*

Upgrading the boys? to work on getting them closer and into the ultimate goal of fusing the two! So attractive. We also have the personal improvement project which wins us UZ1 points as you presented. This is also so attractive.
The last one are the navigator bros. Having them working at a 100% is a must if we want to go as fast as possible with the Ad campaing, but I wonder, do the navigators NEED the anti-anti-warp tech right now?

I understand that the source of the null right now are the Kids and the crystal-prototypes. Can't we leave both in Lucius? TalOS won't like that, but we should make the compromise if we want the navigators to feel OK about it. Move the research to a nearby moon along the nursery that holds the children, instead of keeping it in Lucius so the guild doesn't feel like AAAAAAAAAAA DEATH AAAAAAAAAAAAA WE ARE BUT LAMBS TO THE COSMIC SLAUGHTER all the time.

Do consider that QM has the good touch to minimize the feelings of people, beacause the story is narrated by the Admech. It is smart if we don't take the navigators so lightly and we adress their concerns, but as I mentioned above, we can simply move the null-fortress away from the planet and put all the null-related research in it!
"Some menials lost their legs. How can we fix that becuase they HAVE to be back to work by monday" or "The navigators are midly inconvenienced because of the nulls. Something about feeling dread and empty and wanting to die all the time" "The not-augmented humans work a 20% better if they are not choking on fumes? why we didn't think about that!"

As a summary, I think we can solve the navigator problems in a non-time consuming manner by moving the null-tech away from them (or the other way around) and use this week of downtime to research the GOOOD SHIT. I have the impression TalOS is weaker than his primarch bros, thus...

>Work on personal augmentations

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sat 07 May 2022 01:23:50 No.5257711 Report

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>>5257599
>Work on personal augmentations
Operation Bicameral Mind - See Next Post

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sat 07 May 2022 01:28:08 No.5257714 Report

Quoted By: >>5257724 >>5257831

>>5257711
Okay, so we are literally not going to be able to focus on everything we want to do either OOC narratively or IC. As much as a Primarch is superior to men, even Roboute realizes he really can only shift his attention so many times at once.

But what if we could?

This is a problem that is known and dealt with by many many techpriests. We've moved our brain to our chest cavity yes? That means our head is right now, free real estate. The perfect spot for a second lesser brain, the first of many to come. Or if not a brain then at least maybe some sort of cogitator subroutine.

In this way, Talos can do what many fine techpriests do and run low level thought experiments and research in the back of his thoughts, while his primary conscious mind can focus on the most important task at hand. It would allow Talos to devote some spare brainpower to small tasks in the background while he focuses on the bigger picture.

If we invest in it enough, maybe QM will permit us to assign some projects or R&D to the extra thinking power on the background while we vote on more closer and important matters to Talos, and just get a status update on progress now and again. When there's a problem that would require a lot more brainpower to solve, then we can determine if its a good time for Talos to focus on it.

Lastly, in case of emergency it can act as a neat failsafe. If suddenly our chest brain is shot, we can try to shift our consciousness into it. We'll also give it some emergency failsafe's to ensure it isn't tampered with by psykers like null shields or self destruct if somehow we get decapitated and lose our head so nobody steals our precious data or tries to use magic to steal our knowledge.

EFFICIENCY HO!

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Anonymous ID:p5gv9iys Sat 07 May 2022 01:40:55 No.5257724 Report

Quoted By: >>5257725 >>5257731

>>5257714
I don't think QM will allow an upgrade to meta justify picking multiple options at once.

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Anonymous ID:p5gv9iys Sat 07 May 2022 01:41:56 No.5257725 Report

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>>5257724
Fuck, I meant in character not meta.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sat 07 May 2022 01:42:41 No.5257726 Report

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>>5257708
The problem is we're going to be traveling in our Null Fortress, since it acts as a fleet carrier (in the literal sense) and helps offset our low number of inexperienced psykers. So they're going to be in its presence.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sat 07 May 2022 01:45:51 No.5257731 Report

Quoted By: >>5257879

>>5257724
I mean, it's still not picking multiple options at once.

Our secondary Brain will just be able to work on side projects in the background, stuff that wouldn't constitute a full option. Minor R&D and the likes.

The options will be stuff that Talos mind has to focus his primary mind on fully. It'd be no different than assigning a task to an R&D department. Later on we could have our secondary brain maintain a continuous communique with a true R&D department while we focus on matters at hand like politics and the like.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sat 07 May 2022 03:55:47 No.5257826 Report

Quoted By: >>5257831

>>5257684
You didn't.

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Anonymous ID:0Z0IQ/3G Sat 07 May 2022 04:00:52 No.5257831 Report

Quoted By: >>5257834

>>5257714
This is an excellent idea and we should probably do it as one of our first augments.
But delaying helping the navigators might result in more long term damage that will slow down our travels in the galaxy. We save time both ways by either speeding up our fleet travel or enhancing our brain, but the second can wait just a bit longer.

>>5257826
Can Talos predict which option would save more time? Speeding up the fleet for our travels first and brain upgrades later, or vice versa?

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sat 07 May 2022 04:01:09 No.5257832 Report

Quoted By: >>5257842 >>5259033

>>5257725
How I see an extra brain is that it will be used like a multithreaded processor. The only real use for it is background work and things that TalOS directly does not need to manipulate. Research likely won't be capable ironically it might be mission command that the second brain take over while the primary does research lol.

Still, it won't justify picking multiple options later on. Even with multiple brains TalOS will still need to be in person to do actual research.

The question does become, how you guys wanna get/make these brains?

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sat 07 May 2022 04:02:45 No.5257834 Report

Quoted By: >>5257840 >>5257842

>>5257831
I mean, probably a no? Honestly two of the options can become massive time sinks while the other has a definite end to take that as you will.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sat 07 May 2022 04:11:46 No.5257840 Report

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>>5257834
I should say this, the Psi Candles are only because of the Blackstone Fortress. That way you can have sane navigators operate on it.

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Anonymous ID:0Z0IQ/3G Sat 07 May 2022 04:12:33 No.5257842 Report

Quoted By: >>5258818

>>5257834
I see. Well honestly with all the work weve done for the Imperium, Talos really will deserve some time to himself in the future. But heavy research can wait until after weve become fabricator general of the admech.

I wonder how our brothers managed to find the free time to do all their side quests and lead a crusade. Vulkan made thousands of priceless artifacts, while still managing to lead the Salamanders into battle and use them. Roboute wrote a library's worth of books and organized his realm. Magnus looked for psyker artifacts.

>>5257832
Being able to focus on research and not having to pick mission command still sounds like itd be useful. In fact were going to need to keep our Legion fighting even while we do research anyway.

I imagine we can just use our own DNA and grow some empty brains in jars, we are a genetor after all.

>>5257599
>Develop the Psy-Candles for the Navigators

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Anonymous ID:8mKgPoHX Sat 07 May 2022 04:38:38 No.5257869 Report

Quoted By: >>5258818

>>5257599
>Develop the Psy-Candles for the Navigators
As much as I want to work on BRAINS we kinda need sane navigators.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sat 07 May 2022 04:48:52 No.5257878 Report

Quoted By: >>5257893 >>5258818

Switching >>5257711 to
>Develop the Psy-Candles for the Navigators

Damn, was hoping more brains would be a bit like Multiprogramming/Multithreading than Multiprocessors. At least that's how it seemed for Cawl in The Great Work. Ah well, I mostly saw it to pursue side items not necessarily on the list of the three that would be too small to make a complete decision (like designing a new gun or a fighter plane) not pick multiple options.

We really do just need our own Malcador/R&D group one day to delegate projects. Probably invest in UZI or ED1SON&T3SLA.

Anyway, let's at least keep our fleet movement up to speed by helping our Navigators. The faster we travel, the faster we can win over the forge worlds and maybe pick up some good researchers along the way. We'll be able to revisit UZ1s eyes another time I'm sure, she and the Great Crusade are still quite young.

We'll just have to work hard to earn that Talos vacation arc.

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Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Sat 07 May 2022 04:49:11 No.5257879 Report

Quoted By: >>5257884

>>5257731
just went back into the archives and found out TaL0S's head is not empty. it's basically a cogitator boosting our "processing power"
>TalOS had changed, that much was for certain. Before even opening his eyes he realized the numerous changes that were placed about him. The most immediate of them was that his brain was removed, replaced with a processor chip that was several times more efficient in processing sensory data than even his brain.

>The next thing he noticed was the numerous circuits and connections made about his body. Each of these were meant for different kinds of components ranging from attaching extra limbs to hooking himself up to a Titan.

>Out of all of them, however, the biggest change was where his brain was now located. Removed from the cranium, it was entombed within an Adamantine box at the center of his chest. Impenetrable from even the most heaviest of ordinances, equipped with numerous life support systems, and even of Master Work quality. Well, if TalOS lost his entire body he would still be alive thanks to this box.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sat 07 May 2022 04:57:43 No.5257884 Report

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I do wonder. Cawl made Cawl-Inferior using psyker and xenos tech from dubious sources.

If Talos were to ever make a Talos-Inferior one day, would he be able to substitute it with cron technology instead. Given he would be especially keen on a helper totally-!not-an-AI not being warp susceptible.

Yet another mystery to investigate one day, but not today.

>>5257879
Well that's useful info. Could always move some of those cogitators into a big backpack type set up, like most techpriests do until they are either hunched over or plant their torso's on some spider legs or alternate locomotion setup. Talos seems quite minimalist for a Techpriest right now. Even Ferrus probably carries more kit on his back.

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Anonymous ID:8mKgPoHX Sat 07 May 2022 05:08:45 No.5257893 Report

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>>5257878
The Acillians already work as a think tank coming up with new technological variants, tinkering, making their own gear, and research. It's just not a task they are solely devoted to. Currently, Tal0S doesn't actually really have any techpriests working under him except for a military capacity besides exceptions like UZ1 who are his apprentices. It's only a matter of time before the Acillians descend in mass upon the Second Legion and completely replace their entire arsenal with masterwork variants of their own handiworks. I mean it's literally their #1 hobby. While Tal0S also granted them the rights and encourages them to pursue actual Tech Priests ranks as well so they DO have the right and capability to research into more specialized fields if they so desire.

The truth is Tal0S already HAS an entire Legion's worth of master craftsmen and researchers under his banner(his Sons). He just hasn't convinced the Second Legion to join the club yet nor has he convinced the baseline humans to either. As the research club is very much highly exclusive to the Acillians. Even UZ1 had to go through a challenge before they acknowledged her. Admittedly Tal0S only really has himself to blame for lack of influence outside of military matters when it comes to research. Hence the lack of non Astarte derived research manpower under him. It's just due to war matters those Acillian researchers all focus on wargear and their kits. Where do you think all those new variants and masterworks came from? We also know the Acillians are heavily involved in the Genetors and will likely replace the Second Legions Apothecaries. As its how they create and recruit more Acillians which Acillians themselves take part in the process of creating more brothers unlike other Astartes they have a very hands on approach.

So the Think Tank and R&D are already there. We just haven't done anything with them besides letting them dick around with equipment, variants, tinkering, and Acillian recruiting. If we want to all we would need to do is just encourage them to take on more Tech Priest training and specialize. We are already converting them all into de facto Tech Marines and they already have a shit ton of honorary Apothecaries from all the Acillian conversions. What we don't have is the normal human ones. Tal0S influence is limited to warfare, Null Tech, and Genetor. The Genetors already listen to whatever Tal0S says and Null Tech is something he is pioneering. Everyone acknowledges the fact that he is made for Warfare.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sat 07 May 2022 05:25:18 No.5257901 Report

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>>5257893
"Where do you think all those new variants and masterworks came from?"
Is our legion using Masterwork pew pew guns as the rule not exception? That we can logistically sustain it and shun the need for bolters? If true and I so want to believe it one of my goals are already achieved. If we can reasonably sustain 100% of our legion using them, with readily available interchangable parts and proper logistical supply for mass production then we're squared away weapons wise. Tbh I was mostly looking into R&D of weapons so that we can streamline production and make it so its easier to mass produce, rather than every acillian having the equivalent of what is a rare custom artificer piece that is tricky to maintain.
But if we can reasonably call on our Acillians and ask them "Hey we need some boys with Beamer Meltas, we're going to need to crack something at range" and they say "sure thing we've got plenty of acillians ready to gear up for that", then by the Machine God that is great!

The only other thing then would be our Taghmata/Auxiliary forces if we can sustain it for them too, would love to equipped not just our Skitarii but mortals just as good as the Solar Aux.

"If we want to all we would need to do is just encourage them to take on more Tech Priest training and specialize. We are already converting them all into de facto Tech Marines"
That's the big question. When can we do that.

We've always talked about trying to train and convert our Acillians into Techmarines en masse, a stepping stone to becoming true Tech Adepts and maybe even Techpriests. Lucius is supposedly rich so we can afford it, and we now have connections with Mars who has already trained some Techmarines. Now the question is when can we start the Great Re-Training?

" What we don't have is the normal human ones."
"Tal0S influence is limited to warfare, Null Tech, and Genetor"
Yeah, what we lack is diversification and inclusion for the forces under our command.

Which, hopefully by traveling to various forge worlds, we will improve. Win over more mortal techpriests with lots of experience, and gather more bright minds to train our boys. In time, we'll have our own very potent R&D team and more connections to other intelligent groups and resources.

Also for being focused on war, I'm not entirely sure how diverse or well supplied our Non-Acillian contingents are. We have seen plenty about our Knights, Titans, and Acillians. But how about big our Cyberneticae forces are, and what models are available or how large our Aux is. We've yet to receive any penal legions.

And our navy. We have got to start doing better than Frigates and Cruiser too.

But for now we are building up defense on Lucius and focusing on forge world politics so that's not a priority for now until we need commence the Great Mitu counter-offensive and reconquista.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sat 07 May 2022 05:33:47 No.5257908 Report

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Actually, I should probably just ask how does a common Skitarii or a Lucian skitarii compare to a Solar Auxilary. They are closer to baseline humans than our cybernetic populace, but the Solar Aux has the creme of the crop of human gear that terra will provide for soldiers nigh short of things reserved for heroes and officers like artificier armor. Imagine Aux void armor is at least on par with Sororitas armor.

It stands to reason that if the Solar Aux troopers aren't as augmented as Skitarii/Taghamta but just equipped with good gear, then our very augmented troops could probably benefit from having said good gear. Or at least giving our skitarii better augmetic equivalents to match, like superior exoarmor onto their bodies.

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Anonymous ID:0Z0IQ/3G Sat 07 May 2022 05:54:16 No.5257922 Report

Quoted By: >>5257942 >>5257960

Ill go on a limb and say skitarii are absolutely superior to solar Auxilia or even the finest kitted Imperial Army regiment. Especially Lucius' skitarii because how rich we are.
Think of what they use and why. Void armor so they have protection from space and give them more strength. Well our Skitarii have bodies steel and have bionic limbs. They give themselves cybernetic brains to be better soldiers when our people are modified like that from birth.
Who do you think provides and maintains that equipment? The personal teleporters and robot artillery. It is the mechanicum We're the suppliers.

The Solar Auxilia is compensating for the fact that they arent Skitarii. We dont have to catch up to them, they have to catch up to us. And they will fail, because the flesh is weak.

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Anonymous ID:8mKgPoHX Sat 07 May 2022 06:53:22 No.5257942 Report

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>>5257922
Except Skitarii is a fuck ton more expensive than solar Auxilia anon. Much easier to replace a meatbag and throw him the same kit as the last guy who died using the exact same kit than it is to replace a Skitarii. You also have to keep in mind its unfair to compare with Lucius Skitarii when they have just been retrofitted by Tal0S who tinkered with their manufacturing and training. Lucius Skatarii are also a lot more mobile and rapid deploying. Not including the vast new amounts of wealth, resources, and manpower being poured into development that will even approach Mars.

Ultimately Skitarii is just too damned expensive and hard to replace compared to Solar Auxilia. I mean Lucius Skitarii conversion centers were literally too efficient after Tal0S upgrades that they were endangering of completely depleting the planet of population. We did the same thing with servitors but that doesn't solve the expenses problem just how quickly we can replace losses and repair the wounded. The Auxillia meanwhile are easier to train, heal, and replace in mass. Its a disadvantage that Tal0S is keenly aware of and hence is fondness for logistics and attrition based warfare.

>>5257901
Acillians are. We haven't gotten our hands on replacing all the Second Legion's gear yet. Their arsenal is still standard. Its what happens when ALL your Astartes are knock off Tech Marines. They have a LOT of free time to tinker and replace their arsenals. I honestly wouldn't even be surprised if they had even replaced all their vehicles yet and larger pieces of equipment with mastercrafted replacements that they assembled by hand together.

Trying to streamline their process is the tricky part. Acillian gear is practically all custom artificier masterworks they made themselves, but they DID offer their designs to the Admech with Tal0S permission. The issue is...well how complex their revisions and modifications are. The Acillians are no doubt already planning to replace the Second Legion's entire arsenal with their own stocks. Extending that privilege to others may be tricky as the gear their modifying and making is designed for Astartes since they had none until they made it for themselves. Considering UZ1's interaction with them I do not think they have yet to expand their manufacturing and modifications to service non Astartes. As we haven't instructed them to and they haven't seen the need given how much more baseline humans had at their disposal.

I'm not sure we can get our Acillians to make that much kickass gear for everyone. I mean yeah it's their biggest hobby and who knows how much they have stockpiled already but none of their stuff is specifically meant to be mass produced or easily handed out to anyone else who isn't Astarte. The only reason the Second Legion gets dibs on all their fancy toys is that they are brothers. Although its only a matter of time before the other Legions find out about the all their fancy toys and gear thus want some.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sat 07 May 2022 07:19:13 No.5257960 Report

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>>5257922
That does make a lot of sense honestly. Maybe I am underestimating our Skitarii.

>>5257942
IIRC unless I am wrong Skitarii are more like specialists, rather than the Admech's guardsman equivalent. More like Karskins or Stormtroopers. Forge Worlds have their own style of PDF/Guardsmen that have a name I've forgotten and can't remember.

"Except Skitarii is a fuck ton more expensive than solar Auxilia"
Well, my plan was to offset that by merit of having more resources and in that regard Lucius is doing spectacular. But also even if we can't mass produce Skitarii in the same numbers of guardsmen, there are other ways to bulk up our legion. Techthralls, Cyberneticae, Servitors and Cyborg Abhumans (Servitor Ogryns are very close to Astartes statewise).

To put it bluntly, for the 2nd legion it won't matter if we don't have as many Astartes as another legion, or even as many baseline human aux like the Ultramarines. If each Acillian is like a knock off techmarine, and we make ourselves capable of supplying them even with 1 squad of servitors, cyberneticae robot, or a group of guardsmen, we exponentially increase the size of our army. That's what I'm hoping to be the 2nd's big legacy, to be a legion known to be unmatched in the sheer weight of its mass and numbers, and to have perfect integration of Techmarine Astartes with vast quantities of auxilia and cybernetica forces. The truly industrial legion that Perturabo could only dream of. . .and we'll probably have to bankroll Perturabo a lot.

Add to this Lucius is only rich now because we've connected it to so many resource planets, but its not fully optimized. But we haven't even so much as touched increasing its efficiency. If Lucius is already more resource productive than Mars now, just imagine how much more it could be if Talos applies himself to it. We'd have more wealth than we know to do with and w can easily both use it to increase our army, fuel the great crusade, and fund our biggest research projects and the Emperors too.

QM has graciously gifted us with the vast quantities of resource for Step 1, now we just need to figure out the steps to turning those resources into our Legions benefit.

"Trying to streamline their process is the tricky part."
Yeah that's the main thing i'm hoping to achieve if it isn't already. "Can we ensure our Legion can do this for all knew recruits." If we can just produce high quality standardized parts in large number, and then rely upon our troops being able to customize them and upgrade into superior gear, that might be the way to achieve it.

Truly it all boils down to a simple question: "Is Lucius rich enough yet to afford making the 2nd Legion into a legion of Techmarines and what would it take"

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sat 07 May 2022 07:33:01 No.5257967 Report

Quoted By: >>5257999

It would be one thing to fight a company or even a platoon of Techmarines, each armed with the deadliest of guns, the finest of self artificed armors, and augmented to be 90% machine.

It's another if you give each one of those techmarines a contingent of combat servitors, whom are sophisticated enough to be useful tools rather than a hindrance.

And then, what if you could make those combat servitors stronger than baseline humans by replacing them with Ogryns.

The amount of force amplification we could theoretically provide to our legion with the amount of resources Lucius is producing is staggering, where the Astartes is not simply our sole primary force but a component and a leader of a diverse and expansive army. It's just turning all this raw material Lucius is making into a refined product, that's the tricky part.

IIRC Emperor actually does this with his Custodes, where some of them are tasked to act as generals who are given command of a sector and an army of Solar Auxilia to defend that front. I'll try to find the specific line.

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Anonymous ID:8mKgPoHX Sat 07 May 2022 07:55:57 No.5257987 Report

Quoted By: >>5257992 >>5257999

>>5257960
You are severely underestimating the sheer recruiting prowess of Astarte genome carriers in the population controlled by Lucius. Unlike other Astartes Legions we don't try to kill our Aspirants off because a dead Aspirant cannot have a family even if they're a failure. One of the first things Tal0S did when he got together with the other Genetors was maximize the recruitment vectors and procedures for Astartes Aspirants. The issue of course is the...drop in quality since we don't want dead Aspirants but retired/failed ones who have families instead. Tal0S has already optimized the recruiting for his Legion. Its just only the Acillians are benefiting from this and why we have so damned many of them and we haven't even got the entire Second Legion back yet. Quite a few Lucius Genetors are more than a little obsessed with family building thanks to the failures to come up with other means to acquire Astartes Aspirants. It wasn't just fodder for servitors, serfs, and Skitarii recruits were pillaged from those human worlds. Aspirants were also carefully filtered and if they failed given resources for family planning instead. Tal0S Legion is the ONLY Astartes that actually does have optimized recruitment its just their standards are also the lowest of all Legions as well as a direct result.

Yeah optimizing our worlds is definitely on our to do list but I am not sure how much we can accomplish without Rowboat Girlyman to pick his brain about it. We know how to optimize industries and logistics but the administration is a very different problem. Especially for worlds, we wish to be more...pristine.

Except only the Tech Priests and Acillians have the technological knowhow to customize, modify, and make stuff on fly and in the field. So just making a ton of parts and dumping it on them won't really work. The Acillians work because they have massive custom workshops they built for themselves and utilize to make everything they need. The parts they need and make themselves are all Artificer tier which is why 'standard issue' for Acillians is customized masterworks they made for themselves. That's not really something you can easily shove onto others. The ONLY reason the Acillians getaway with it because 1 special treatment and 2 Lucius is rich enough to afford it. Keep in mind we already lending out our Steel Wardens as VIP guards for other Tech Priests. So the Techpriests and Admech already see Acillians as an upgrade to their previous skitarii guards. So after we burnt our favor with the Fabricator General and proved how valuable they are. The Admech don't mind covering just how expense Acillians are with their hobbies. It's one of those 'suck it up at least you don't have to build all that shit yourself now' kind of problems.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sat 07 May 2022 07:58:19 No.5257989 Report

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Can't seem to find the specific quote I'm looking for but here's some excerpts from Watchers in the Throne.

Thee Emperor made the Custodes to be the best of the best, but he didn't rely on them to fight. He designed them to be part of a greater whole, to command and fight alongside mortal troops just as they had when unifying Terra.

That's a model I hope we can follow with the 2nd.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sat 07 May 2022 08:03:42 No.5257992 Report

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>>5257987
We may not be Roboute, but even Roboute mentions he's only a specialist but every one of the Primarchs had overlapping skillsets. He and Dorn are both logisticians and he could plan a defense, but Dorn is specialized for defense. I'm sure Talos looking at a bunch of planets could do it better than any mortal Mechanicum overseer. Hell I'm sure even Angron could look at a map and if he could get past the butchers nails point out something and say "why the fuck aren't you doing it like this" and it would be actually very good advice.

Plus Talos also has the benefit of being able to draw from the admech's vast libraries.

For that matter, I mean more like implementing some of the plans discussed previously like improving the standard of living by separating human populated worlds from forge worlds, encouraging the forge worlds to be populated primarily by techpriests and servitor factory workers while the human planets focus on producing said humans who will become servitors. This way unaugmented humans can live healthier lives away from the pollution of the forge worlds, and forge worlds can dispense with the need to maintain an biosphere entirely.

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Anonymous ID:8mKgPoHX Sat 07 May 2022 08:11:25 No.5257999 Report

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>>5257987
However the odds of them and the sheer difficulty/expense in providing that luxurious service to other troops is...astronomical. Even for Tal0S it would be a bitch. Acillians get away with it because of special treatment and they literally make all that shit themselves. So the simple fact is that the Acillians literally make everything in house, repair, servicing, maintenance, modifications, tinkering, etcetera. This means the only actual upkeep for the Admech to house Acillians is simply providing them with the materials, housing, and odd consultation. That's it.

So for the Admech Acillian upkeep is actually uniquely VERY low in everything BUT resources. Unfortunately, the wonders of Acillian manufacturing and logistics really don't translate over well to other forces. You would need an ungodly amount of Tech Priests, servitors, and Skitarii to handle all the tasks the Acillians handle among themselves for FREE. Acillians are honestly hax in that regard because unlike Astartes they are allowed to branch out into other areas and fields of expertise. Besides the rare Tech, Apothecary, or Psyker. Which ALL Acillians do. Even the most martial Acillians the Steel Wardens are a bunch of paranoid duelists to obsess over everything security related. Bastards are probably already masters of Electronic Warfare and can troll the Alpha legion when it comes to hacking.

The downside to that though is also obvious. Tal0S's Astartes are the...well weakest in a fight compared to other Legions. Good luck trying to beat them in terms of numbers, equipment, or logistics. His entire doctrine is about beating the shit out of you with attrition, better toys, and superior logistics.

>>5257967
Acillians already deploy with Servitors, Techpriests, and Skitarii is standard doctrine. I don't think we can afford to send them out with Cybernetica or abhuman servitors/skitarii yet. I wouldn't be surprised if they were drooling over getting their own robots to tinker with though. So Acillian Force Projection is already immense. Unlike other Astartes they actually like having company along. Its what makes fighting Acillians very annoying compared to other Astartes is their love for mixed units.

>>5257992
The issue is they won't be as fully optimized compared to what Rowboat accomplished. He was the best primarch at that. While we could definitely get things headed in the right direction we still gotta get rid of those atrocious Hive Worlds and convert them into literally anything else. While we need to consider how to treat, process, organize and manage those worlds beyond the poor showing of Frontier, Knight and Forge. Mainly due to yeah how inefficient it is. I mean sure we squeeze out more peformance out of them than the Imperium but that is only because we are willing to throw enough tech at it. We could really use a FAG for Planetary Management or something wait I think it was called TITS or something right?

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Anonymous ID:6FhbGcRV Sat 07 May 2022 08:14:40 No.5258002 Report

Quoted By: >>5258011

Lowering the quality of our aspirants in favor of increasing the quantity of survivors fits well for us because we acknowledge the weakness of flesh and try to use bionics and technology to make each individual stronger.
failed aspirants are still superior to the regular human populace. some chapters let them return home with honor and pension even if they are mutilated. in our case fix the mutilations with bionics and they can just go on to become techpriests or even skitarii leaders

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Anonymous ID:8mKgPoHX Sat 07 May 2022 08:28:54 No.5258011 Report

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>>5258002
Failed aspirants are how we make moar future aspirants. Plus good luck convincing the Genetors to go along with it. I'm pretty sure that would literally cause a riot among the genetors while they REEE from sheer rage. Genetors already harvest sperm from Aspirants before Acillian conversion as standard protocol for their experiments, family building, and eugenics practices. Tal0S Astartes are noteworthy in that dead Aspirant is a useless one to them. So good luck trying to convince them to let failed aspirants transition into risky professions. The Genetors want large families from them.

We haven't noticed it yet since not enough time has passed yet but Tal0S Astartes are likely to turn into a multigenerational familial recruiting somewhat akin to how the Custodes work with Terran nobility. Except they would be families who are carefully groomed and tailored by Genetors from birth to maximize their potential aspirant numbers and quality. So the whole thing about Family...should be taken literally once enough time actually has passed. You will likely indeed see uncles, fathers, sons, grandfathers, grandsons, granduncles, ect all having Astartes members and serving together. Really depending on just how many offspring the Genetors can arrange from Aspirants, Astartes(before conversion) sperm banks, and Astarte Gene carriers.

It is something the genetors are already working on. Yet oh man would it piss them off if you tried to touch those failed aspirants. To the Genetors they are precious genetic resources whose genes need to be optimized, studied, and proliferated into the genepool as much as possible. Especially the failures since clearly they are...lacking but still breedable(of course that is what the sperm banks are for).

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Anonymous ID:0Z0IQ/3G Sat 07 May 2022 08:32:10 No.5258013 Report

Quoted By: >>5258120

All this talk of logistics lol. Always about the logistics he is going to spend weeks of conversation with Guilliman or Perturabo when we meet them

How about since it seems like we might go for psy candles, do you think QM would make a navigator characters we would meet? Wonder if Talos might see in their genetics or their third eye. As captain of both the Blackstone Fortres and the Onis Probandi he should have a good working relationship with his navigator and astropath.

We also didn't get a chance to ask the Emperor about our sight. Is he or Horus still in the system or did they depart abruptly? He didnt leave us much time to talk with him...

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Anonymous ID:7N6v0dRZ Sat 07 May 2022 09:13:53 No.5258033 Report

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/dice 1d10

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sat 07 May 2022 12:07:07 No.5258120 Report

Quoted By: >>5258140

>>5258013
I mean, that was the plan. Depending on what you choose I will write a session getting more and more into it.

I think a conversation between TalOS and what will (Likely) become his personal Navigator would be VERY interesting.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sat 07 May 2022 12:38:41 No.5258140 Report

Quoted By: >>5258144

>2nd legion exists
>Suddenly this trailer comes out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0X1W5p_LaE
Coincidence? I think not!

>>5258120
I think Talos will like Navigators and Astropaths when they tell him that unlike other conventional psykers, they are the "safe" version and have no risk of corruption or opening up a tear in reality (they have no "Psychic Phenomena", and no "Perils of the Warp").

They don't summon the warp or open up rifts, they just look at it. Sure they might. . .or probably will go mad eventually. But that's the end of it. No possession.

Talos will be more enthusiastic to back them than most other psykers.

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Anonymous ID:p5gv9iys Sat 07 May 2022 12:42:51 No.5258144 Report

Quoted By: >>5258149

>>5258140
>They don't summon the warp or open up rifts, they just look at it.
So when are we making three eyed sunglasses out of those crystals for them?

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sat 07 May 2022 12:53:19 No.5258149 Report

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>>5258144
I think it's likely. In fact, looking at the abilities of Navigators they may be his one exception to designing warp tech. Because they are the PERFECT example of what his ideal a "psyker" should be. A safe, low powered being that is relatively less risky and can be used to even fight or detect more dangerous warp phenomena.

Here's some of a Navigators Abilities:
>Inward View - There are many myths about the Navigators' "third eye", its origins supposedly harking from the ancient past of Old Earth itself. The Navis Nobilite knows that such stories are not wholly mythical, though, and that it is entirely possible to discover hidden knowledge and a degree of inner calm using the Navigators' own unique brand of introspective meditation. Many of the older, more cloistered members of the Navigator dynasties spend prolonged periods in their Reclusiam Chapels, meditating upon philosophical issues and esoteric lore.
>Mind Shielding - By using a rare, ancient relic known as a Cerebrum Cowl, Navigators can tap into their innate mental resistance to the Immaterium and use it to shield others from psychic mental influences. While the archeotech is normally used to amplify the powers of the mutants for warp navigation, it can also be used to disrupt and protect from psychic-based mental attacks and traps and other such insidious threats.
>Obliterating the Immaterial Wake - Using arcane knowledge of Warp physics and even special techno-arcane devices (such as a ship's Warp Vanes), the Navigator can influence tides in the Warp and attempt to obliterate any trail left from his voidship's passing through the Immaterium and even realspace, making it difficult, if not impossible, to track. Using this ability is distracting and physically taxing, however, as the Navigator risks unconsciousness and physical damage.
>Ætheric Disruption - Navigators understand, as few others can, that to perceive a thing is to alter it. By casting their gaze into the churning depths of theAbyss, they disrupt it for any who would draw upon its power. Use at the start of the controlling player’s turn. Until the beginning of their next player turn, all Psykers, friend or foe, roll three dice and discard the lowest result for the purposes of Perils of the Warp results.

A large part of their abilities specifically reduce the threat of enemy psykers and demons!

If we had a Navigator who could help obliterate the Immeterial Wake we leave behind, perhaps the Mitu would have been less likely to follow us. And mind shielding sounds exactly like the sort of thing Talos would want access to for his legions.

The best part? Given that we are currently balling ourselves into one giant fleet, we only really need a few to guide the blackstone fortress. The rest could be used to investigate and even hone in their skills of aiding our legion on the battlefield to detect and repel warp entities.

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Anonymous ID:6FhbGcRV Sat 07 May 2022 14:02:03 No.5258199 Report

Quoted By: >>5258203

Perhaps if we find any psychic astartes or start having psychic acillians, we can send them to aid the navigator guilds as psyker-techpriests instead of librarians, so that we can still invest in pariah tech without devaluing our psychic sons.
It would give us better ground to stand on when the council of Nicea happens, and still have a defense against the warp.

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Anonymous ID:6FhbGcRV Sat 07 May 2022 14:04:13 No.5258201 Report

Quoted By: >>5258818

>>5257599
>Develop the Psy-Candles for the Navigators
Investigating those "Cerebrum Cowls" and how they can be used to repel Mitu psykers and Ork Wyrdboyz is something I would think Talos would be interested too if he's going to do Navigator research right now.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sat 07 May 2022 14:05:27 No.5258203 Report

Quoted By: >>5258249

>>5258199
Huh, thats actually a really good idea. I like how one person described earlier that the Acillians are not Warriors but Guardians when they were being made and this would only push that. They would be the Guardians of the Navigators and help them incase something like a Daemon Incursion was to happen on the ship.

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Anonymous ID:p5gv9iys Sat 07 May 2022 14:37:34 No.5258249 Report

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>>5258203
It's even fitting for their name, since the Ancilia is the shield of Mars, not his spear.

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Anonymous ID:izERUllk Sat 07 May 2022 14:52:08 No.5258262 Report

Quoted By: >>5258818

>>5257599
>Develop the Psy-Candles for the Navigators
Talos still distrust the warp, but navigator and astropath are noblest of psykers. They protect the Machine God's ships and his children, bearing to peer behind the iron curtain where not even he would dare. The ancients were wise to create them. They talk to the ship machine spirit, guide them safely through the realm of thoughts and monsters.

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Anonymous ID:0Z0IQ/3G Sat 07 May 2022 15:47:45 No.5258307 Report

Quoted By: >>5258317

Putting navigators in this light really does make them seem good servants of the Machine God. Talos can realize he's safer having these psykers onboard the ship in the warp than without.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Sat 07 May 2022 15:56:16 No.5258317 Report

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>>5258307
Yeah, i just hope its gonna be a somewhat bumpy transition, TaL0S is both a priest and a scientist, so he should change his mind or rather adjust his dispositions according to reality, but they won't be fast or especially pretty.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fUOkl54P Sat 07 May 2022 17:24:20 No.5258417 Report

Quoted By: >>5258818

>>5257599
>Work on personal augmentations

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sun 08 May 2022 00:08:54 No.5258818 Report

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Psi Candles
>>5257611
>>5257635
>>5257650
>>5257700
>>5257878
>>5257869
>>5258201
>>5258262
>>5257842

Research into the Astartes and Acillians
>>5257614
>>5257633

Augmentations
>>5258417

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sun 08 May 2022 01:49:48 No.5258968 Report

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The idea of traveling two weeks within the Warp to travel to their destination was… terrifying to TalOS. Now a Primarch like him did not expreince terror in the sense that a normal human did. For a human paranoia would develop in the irrational and take over the mind to the point where the false became true to it.

For a Primarch and the current Ship Captain at that, TalOS knew exactly what could happen. It was the reason that he checked the Gellar Field several times. Through his knowledge he was 97.8% certain that there would not be a form of warp incursion upon the ship that he was carried upon. Add into that the Blackstone Amulet that hanged within his room and the chances of TalOS actually experiencing death upon this vessel was low. He also knew though the power of the Gods, those that would see him dead if they could help it.

Thus TalOS’s paranoia was not false in that it was grounded in the reality that there were indeed Gods out there that would seek his death.

This only mounted the reasons as to TalOS’s annoyance at the issue before him. It was not that he could do it but instead the Primarch had to willingly create a device that went against the nullification technology that he was making. Something that caused the area around it to become a positive Psi-rating rather than a negative one like he prefered.

At first the Primarch knew an immediate solution. Using the designs and internals of a Warp Engine TalOS could quickly energize and create something that would turn the crystal positive to whatever he set it to.

Then he realized how dangerous something like that was. A Warp Drive was something that even TalOS barely understood and could be a great risk every single time it was operated. Mainly that was because of a rule TalOS was starting to realize about the Universe.

Electricity, chemistry, and steel. These were the things that were of this universe and were anathema to the warp. TalOS, cursed with the knowledge of a two psyker civilizations, recognized that neither of them developed these things. The Plastoids, while being able to travel insane distances instantly, were still using hoes and beast-driven carts. The Mitu Collective, while seemingly advanced, used the very crystal within his hand instead of try and true electrons.

Instead the Warp and its users ran off of symbolism and drew their power from that. The dreadful Plastoids had their belief in a foul god while the Mitu used the symbols of catalysts to draw on their power. Such unclean arts that did not bow to reality.

The Warp Engine ultimately was an enigma but it made sense. With perfect control it gripped both reality and the warp, tearing a hole in both to allow transition. Same for at a minor extent teleporters and Noospheric communication. The issue was if TalOS created essentially a miniature stable Warp Hole Maker that would lead directly into the Warp. It was one thing his hands will never willingly make.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sun 08 May 2022 01:50:50 No.5258972 Report

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As TalOS reflected upon all this he began to hear footsteps. Those steps did not belong to UZ1 for TalOS did not want his apprentice to be tainted by such dangerous knowledge. It was not the Acillians for only the Steel Wardens were allowed to be present thanks to the sheer danger this project might cause. The fewer bodies there were, the weaker the Warp was, so TalOS went for his best guardians to limit that danger.

No, it was the feet of the person who he contacted.

“Primarch TalOS, it is an honor for both myself and House Lancaster to be within your presence today.” Declared the Navigator known as Lawrence Lancaster as he looked at the Primarch’s back.

TalOS made a show of his hand in instruction to the Psyker to take a seat. To say TalOS was wary of this person was an understatement beyond measure. The simple fact that TalOS needed to employ two of their kind was simply a contingency in case there was some matter of corruption or death caused by the Warp. TalOS had seen the records and while they did not have nearly as high of a mortality rate as the Astropaths their risk of death was still very much present.

Finally getting the last of his latest test prepared TalOS turned to see the small and somewhat famish man. Being a Tech Priest and Primarch TalOS towered over the rather meek person. This fact, and likely others, were the reason the psyker looked upon TalOS with several tinges of fear upon him.

TalOS noticed that while he felt it the man did not say it. He was not trying to hide it from what TalOS could tell, but attempting to overcome such feelings.

It was then, for a moment, TalOS realized something.

“My… apologies.” The Primarch said in a somewhat anguished tone as he reached over and picked several sticks of incense, “Do your kind mind?”

“If that is incense, my Lord Primarch, then it is acceptable. We use it many times in our own rituals.”

TalOS felt a bitter comment coming up before smashing it and banishing it to his Machine Spirits. His creator not only trusted these beings, but likely created a large amount of their families. Such a person, TalOS would lastly admit, was blessed by the Machine God with knowledge and thus his sponsorship should not be taken lightly.

That thought along with the present smell of incense started to calm him. He could feel the Machine Spirits agitation lapse and even the spirit of Particep Semper began to sleep once again. An ounce of trust was needed here for him to gain theirs.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sun 08 May 2022 01:51:51 No.5258974 Report

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“Navigator Lawrence.” TalOS spoke the name of the Navigator without care, “I have been looking into your request. To develop an inhibitor so that your kind are not troubled by the presence of the Blackstone Fortress.”

The Navigator blinked a moment in surprise with his two normal eyes. At the moment TalOS noticed that the psyker was keeping his third eye close in what was likely an attempt to stave off the insanity of the Warp. It was… wise.

“We did not want to trouble you so much Lord Primarch.”

“It is Arch Dominus TalOS.” TalOS announced without subtlety. The look upon the man’s face was that of clear fear. Like he was stuck within the room with a mutant that would eat his face off. It was human, “I had heard your pleas and realized they were rational. I have heard similar among serfs and seen readings from the Skitarii. The Presence is not pleasant or healthy for a Psi-Positive species like humanity.”

The Psyker opened his mouth for a moment and then closed it. He then looked at TalOS in fear and then became confused. The Psyker seemed to finally find the word he was looking for, “That is a fine understanding you have. I had heard that your kind was intelligent in matters beyond many’s comprehension and you only proved it.”

TalOS looked at the psyker and thought to himself. The wonder if those were buttering words or a compliment swam within his head for several seconds as he weighed the options against several matrices. They arrived that it was a simple compliment addressed by a menial to their better.

As he thought this TalOS noticed subtle changes in the man’s form. Shifting and wavering from to the left until he reached the edge of his seat. As if to realize the studying of TalOS the man blurted out, “My apologies A-Arch Dominus TalOS. It's just your magnificence has no equal.”

A white lie, that is how the Machine Spirits answered TalOS upon analyzing the statement. It was an attempt to disway the Arch Dominus from taking his movements as anything other than that of a fearful man. He did not seem cornered anymore though and that meant something for TalOS.

“Understanding is the True Path to Comprehension.” TalOS spoke as he allowed his mind to work like electricity through a cord, “Comprehension is the Key to all Things. The Machine God knows All, comprehends all.”

TalOS allowed those words to sink and go through his body. He felt an ease of reality crawl through him as the Primarch allowed himself to be taken in by the divinity of dogma.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sun 08 May 2022 01:52:53 No.5258977 Report

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“W-wise words. Are they the Universal Laws?” The Navigator said as if the same calm that washed over TalOS washed over him.

“Yes, they are.” The Primarch declared as he felt as much as peace as he was going to be next to a person who can shower him in lightning, “As I understand it you came from Mars. Then you have an understanding of our goal?”

“It's the Quest for Knowledge.” Lawrence pointed out.

“That can be a term for it. We seek to comprehend the universe. Only then can we be one with the Machine God.” TalOS told the psyker, “To work with us further that is what you must understand. Knowing that we are a Psi-Positive species does not mean anything unless you comprehend it.”

“I… understand Arch Dominus TalOS.” The Navigator declared with an emotion that TalOS only saw at this moment. A hint of respect.

TalOS gave an approving nod before presenting the device, “To those complaints I have made this, a Psi-Suppression Regulator. Once the crystal is set to Psi-Positive it will become able to regulate the local area to its specific Psi level. The reason I brought you here is that I need you to raise its presence to that of a standard human.”

The Navigator looked at TalOS with a sense of genuine confusion, “You cannot?”

TalOS narrowed his eyes and made the next few words as clear as he could with the voice of normal men, “I will not.”

The Navigator placed a hand on his chest and took in a breath as a wave of emotions hit him, “ Would you give me a moment?”

“Take your time, but I will not allow manifestations.” TalOS ordered the Navigator with the authority of a king.

“I-I understand.”

And with those words the man before TalOS took in a deep breath, just like when a Tech Priest would begin a ritual, opening his third eye.

>Examine what he does deeply, question it after he finishes.
>Speak with him to understand the Navis Nobility. See how they can work better between one another.
>Increase his understanding of the Mechanicum. He needs to comprehend what he serves!
>Send him back once the job is done.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sun 08 May 2022 01:55:48 No.5258982 Report

Quoted By: >>5259075

>>5258977
Dunno if anyone minds the longer updates. I mostly do it to set the scene and try to convey moments like this. A normal human will be flooded with the emotions of a Primarch. Know how nasty it can be to a Psyker especially when the Primarchs rarely interact with human psykers.

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Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Sun 08 May 2022 02:02:10 No.5258989 Report

Quoted By: >>5260013

>>5258977
>Examine what he does deeply, and question it after he finishes.
this will be fundamental to both understanding their powers, how they interact with the crystals, and trying to figure out how to counter someone trying to turn our blank tech into psy-tech (or allow us to do the opposite).

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Son of Nanomachine ID:y59LTBZp Sun 08 May 2022 02:10:20 No.5259009 Report

Quoted By: >>5259079 >>5260013

>>5258977
>Speak with him to understand the Navis Nobility. See how they can work better between one another.
Understanding is indeed the path to comprehension.

Also the long updates are legitimately wonderful QM. They give a great background scene and I think this is perhaps one of the most Primarch like you've made Talos seem thus far. His change from his usual relaxed attitude shows to a more guarded one is clear. I could really imagine reading this from Lawrence perspective as the introduction to Talos' BL novel.

Decent lad this lawrence so far. Most unagmented humans have little control over their emotions. It's a testament to his character for not crying or soiling himself in fear before a not so friendly primarch.

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Anonymous ID:x+hl93ja Sun 08 May 2022 02:27:14 No.5259031 Report

Quoted By: >>5260013

>>5258977
>Examine what he does deeply, question it after he finishes.

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Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Sun 08 May 2022 02:27:52 No.5259033 Report

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>>5257832
>The question does become, how you guys wanna get/make these brains?

Ask UZ1's mom about it

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Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Sun 08 May 2022 02:51:17 No.5259067 Report

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QM took great care to describe the emotions of
a human this update ehehe. But in such an *external* way, almost if they were being observed from a being that had none

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Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Sun 08 May 2022 02:56:19 No.5259075 Report

Quoted By: >>5260013

>>5258977
>>Increase his understanding of the Mechanicum. He needs to comprehend what he serves!
We must proselytize at any oportunity! And and want to nurture TalOS fear of the warp as much as possible... sorry, personal choice.

>>5258982
I enjoy it very much, desu. Your writing is good and I find myself re-reading paragraphs to get the most out of them.

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Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Sun 08 May 2022 02:57:21 No.5259079 Report

Quoted By: >>5259081 >>5259164

>>5259009
BL as in... boys love? Oh, black library... okay, okay. I got mixed signals there.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sun 08 May 2022 02:57:55 No.5259081 Report

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>>5259079
I thought the same thing lol.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:y59LTBZp Sun 08 May 2022 04:01:01 No.5259164 Report

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>>5259079
Lmao yes I mean black library!

This is one of the first times we truly see Talos serious face. All the primarchs had serious face moments, some more than others.

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Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Sun 08 May 2022 05:58:36 No.5259305 Report

Quoted By: >>5259501 >>5260013

>>5258977
>>Examine what he does deeply, question it after he finishes.
>>Speak with him to understand the Navis Nobility. See how they can work better between one another.

Observation is obvious, TaL0S couldn't even stop himself trying to understand, especially if he was weary of the person, so understanding that something is different to other "normal" psykers is inevitable.
Asking questions then makes the most sense, probably about their abilities, their training and what dangers the typically face in their line of work.

I kind of hope that that would lead to an actual understanding and a change of mind in TaL0S, so that he becomes a bit softer torwards Lawrence but has to think about it for a while and the asks him to another meeting to actually apologize about his previous hostility, it would really show his growth and humility.

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Anonymous ID:UZ0FXdAH Sun 08 May 2022 06:54:18 No.5259367 Report

Quoted By: >>5260013

>>5258977
>Examine and question him

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Anonymous ID:QEXeB0sl Sun 08 May 2022 10:46:15 No.5259501 Report

Quoted By: >>5260013

>>5259305
>support

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Anonymous ID:qjwSvJN6 Sun 08 May 2022 11:18:28 No.5259507 Report

Quoted By: >>5260013

>>5258977
>Examine what he does deeply, question it after he finishes.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sun 08 May 2022 11:53:38 No.5259523 Report

Quoted By: >>5259526 >>5259527

In the future we know that it wasn't just half the Mechanicum that Horus turned on his side. It was also half the Auxilia, half the Navigator and half the Astropathic families.

Regardless of whether we want to play loyal or traitor, gaining influence among the navigators will be useful, particularly when there are the terrible warp storms. Or even against regular warp storms. Potentially we could use the Blackstone Fortress as a defense against the Warp Storms to clear a path, but we will still need good navigators.

The idea of offering pysker Acillians as navigator guardians and keeping them close could be very useful. Or in the least, having armed gunmen to convince Navigators not to turn on us could also be useful. And saboteurs in case we happen to have them on the ships of a side we don't like.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Sun 08 May 2022 12:01:31 No.5259526 Report

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>>5259523
Since psyker sons wouldn't mesh well with what we are working towards we could also train them in medical treatment, give them a cowl and form protective squads for Astropath choirs.
They are prime targets for possession, assassination and even normal medical support would be valuable.

What is important is that we give our sons options and make it clear this is not a demotion or way to get rid of them, rotation of assignments would also help with that.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:GW5iD3a2 Sun 08 May 2022 12:03:01 No.5259527 Report

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>>5259523
The blackstone fortress can act like a mobile Cadian gate. Come the heresy, we might be forced to choose between opening a path from Terra to Lucius Federation or to the loyalist imperials trapped on Ultramar realm. That is if we don't discover necron drives for our ships.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ZwyROSk6 Sun 08 May 2022 13:11:56 No.5259569 Report

Quoted By: >>5260013

>>5258977
>Examine what he does deeply, question it after he finishes.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Sun 08 May 2022 13:27:31 No.5259576 Report

Quoted By: >>5260013

>>5258977
>Examine what he does deeply, question it after he finishes.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sun 08 May 2022 19:58:46 No.5260013 Report

Quoted By: >>5260027

Have them understand the Mechanicum
>>5259075

Examination
>>5258989
>>5259031
>>5259305
>>5259501
>>5259367
>>5259507
>>5259569
>>5259576

Learn of the Psykers
>>5259009

I knew this was going to be the choice. At this point I need to look into how I ask things.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Sun 08 May 2022 20:08:21 No.5260027 Report

Quoted By: >>5260030 >>5260072

>>5260013
Don't be discouraged, its typical behaviour for quest voters to align along common interests and this quest still has quite a lot of discussion, planning and appropriate shitposting.

also, fuck you captcha, 5 different variants that you don't accept after carefully aligning it, go roast in hell

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sun 08 May 2022 20:11:08 No.5260030 Report

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>>5260027
True, and while the topic is still an interesting one I felt we could have had more. I knew you guys wanted information but instead of learning about the Navis Nobility they chose the more material matter. Again, not surprised, but I feel more could be done.

Also, yes the Captcha is a nasty one ever since they updated it two months ago.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Sun 08 May 2022 21:01:34 No.5260072 Report

Quoted By: >>5260074

>>5260027
Captcha has been a bitch all day, either failing to fetch or not going through

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sun 08 May 2022 21:02:36 No.5260074 Report

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>>5260072
The Entire Internet has been fucky these last few days. Dunno why but it is.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sun 08 May 2022 21:07:07 No.5260078 Report

Quoted By: >>5260093

The room bore a subtle but powerful weight as all present watched the third eye open. At their posts the Steel Wardens tightened their hands upon their weapons as they prepared for a fight. TalOS, the one next to the psyker, felt an itch in his hand to reach forward and deny such sorceries from happening before him.

He did not though. He held just enough restraint to keep the psyker before him alive as TalOS now saw what could be mistaken as a real eye. The eye was a simple one with a pupil in the middle and white sclera around it. The thing that made it odd was the eye did not possess an iris like it would with a normal human.

Out of all the things that there TalOS felt was a crux of the mutation. It is a membrane that controls the pupil’s diameter to allow either more or less lighting into the organ. If this was a basic mutation then surely there would be an iris, no matter how useless it would be to the psyker.

But there was not one and with it came a variety of things. TalOS had looked into the records from Mars talking about the long history of the psykers and how they existed even before the Long Night. That could be true as TalOS saw records of Mars enslaving a few of them but it did not explain the explosion of Navigators that came from Terra. Why did Terra have them specifically?

It's because they were manufactured. Likely by TalOS’s own creator.

If this was a natural evolution of the human genome there would have been useless organs like the Iris upon the eye. Such things were seen upon numerous mutants of the Human Genome where they had dozens of different pieces that were useless but present. TalOS could also feel it helped the subject matter of their creation.

They were psychic and that means everything has a meaning. The lack of an iris meant that the mutants had abnormal eyes. Abnormality to the Warp means hundreds of things, primarily that they do not work as they are supposed to. A good example of this would be seeing into the Warp itself.

As TalOS saw things he saw a thin strand of power leak from the organ. It could only be perceived through his own eyes and nothing else. Pure unadulterated Warp Energy that lacked any proper form. It can have forms of harm but none at the levels the Psyker was manifesting them.

Still it was psychic power and indeed the crystal began to radiate a variant red flow. The Navigator stretched his hands forward to hand the item to TalOS like it was a relic. The Arch Dominus reached forward and ensnared the device with a firmness that one would expect.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sun 08 May 2022 21:08:09 No.5260079 Report

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With the crystal now in his possession TalOS flicked a series of controls and plugged in the power source. What once was pulsing now became stricken and latched down with unerring accuracy. TalOS gave a nod to himself before looking over and sending a nearby Steel Warden an order through the Noosphere.

“Is it up to your satisfaction, Arch Dominus?” Lawrence asked as he raised his head to face the Primarch.

“You have done what I asked.” TalOS answered the Navigator with a straight forward taste in the words, “Now we will test it.”

As TalOS finished those words the Blackstone Amulet that he asked for arrived in the hands of the Acillian. The Navigator visibly flinched as he got just a few feet away from the item. A terror unlike the one earlier started to creep upon his face. Previously it was a fear for his life, now it was a fear of existence.

“You shall hold it.” TalOS told the Navigator before handing him the regulation device. In an instant the Psyker looked relieved as if a lifeline was sent out to him from afar.

TalOD nodded to the Acillian and soon the Amulet was within the Primarch’s hand. The calming energies that radiated from it helped to calm the Primarch down immensely. A relief that could barely be described went over his form as TalOS felt all those wishing his death look elsewhere for the moment.

As he turned towards the Navigator he could see the massive amount of relief upon him. As if a great weight was taken off of him. He held the Regulator tight though and seemingly did not wish to let it go like one would a final lifeline.

“The device works.” TalOS declared with a sense of satisfaction within his voice, “The Machine God blessed me with this knowledge, tools, and material. Through these I finished what I have started.”

“It's… amazing.” The Navigator admitted as he held the device tight.

“Do you think you will be able to use that as a catalyst to employ psychic powers against me?” TalOS outright asked the psyker as he moved to place the amulet once more upon his chest.

“No, the amulet protects you just as much as it prevents you. I simply hold… a candle in the darkness that your amulet of blackened reality creates. A severed piece of reality that few can manifest anything with.”

TalOS did not detect any lie there. He had succeeded.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sun 08 May 2022 21:09:10 No.5260083 Report

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“Then I did what I set out to do. I shall have my designs approved and they shall be issued to the Blackstone Fortress for employment within Barracks and the like.” The Primarch declared as he took a moment to enjoy safety.

“That is… fantastic Arch Dominus.” The weight that previously held the Navigator down seemingly ebbed away as TalOS’s own safety assured itself, “I thank you for this.”

“Then you will educate me on what you did.” TalOS told the Psyker as he nodded towards the candle, “I will need to prove that your method can be repeated without incident.

The Psyker looked at TalOS with wide eyes as if the weight came back to him. TalOS wondered if now that he was not being bombarded by the psychic presence of TalOS, that he was now rationalizing his existence as a human being.

“As a-a Navigator, our eyes are a gate to the Warp.” The Psyker declared as he tapped the now close organ, “Any moral human were to look into it they would see the Warp. We are trained to control it and bury it. The Nobility never lets any initiates outside into the world until they learn to control this power. I allowed a piece of such power to leak out and strike the Candle.”

“So a controlled burst of warp presence.” TalOS told himself as he pondered to himself, “This allows your kind to unleash psychic manifestations like lightning or plasma?”

The look upon the Navigator’s face went horrified as he heard those words, “My Lord Arch Dominus, we cannot do such a thing! Is, is-!” The Navigator was about to say something before catching his tongue in fear.

“Speak it.” TalOS ordered with force within his voice.

The Navigator gave a fearful nod as he heard those words, “We cannot do such manifestations. I can only see and control the tides of the Warp. Direct manifestations of harm is not something I am capable of.”

That rang true, but TalOS wondered if he should believe it. Maybe this child was not trained in such arts. There were ways to learn more but…

>Try and get some demonstrations of their power.
>A few drops of his blood, so that TalOS can process firsthand experience.
>Leave it. There is little reason to dig deeper and possibly become corrupt with such knowledge

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Sun 08 May 2022 21:20:18 No.5260093 Report

Quoted By: >>5260094

>>5260078
Uhm QM, it is said in the law that meeting the gaze of the third eye has those agonizingly killed, shouldn't that be an issue here?

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sun 08 May 2022 21:21:08 No.5260094 Report

Quoted By: >>5260098

>>5260093
I noted that later on if you read. TalOS is looking at it from the side and hes a Primarch.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Sun 08 May 2022 21:25:16 No.5260098 Report

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>>5260094
Yeah saw that later on, still seems questionable to me, but as long as he doesn't directly look into it there shouldn't be a problem.yojrm

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Sun 08 May 2022 21:31:09 No.5260110 Report

Quoted By: >>5261095

>>5260083
>Try and get some demonstration of their power.
Its a controlled environment and both TaL0S and the wardens are fast and strong enough to overwhelm Lawrence the second something is off.
Putting the wardens behind him in a state of readiness is of course required.

Ooc, this should convince TaL0S that Lawrence and Navigators as a whole are far more controlled and useful than his bias has allowed him to consider.
If he realizes that bias yet or not is another question.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Sun 08 May 2022 21:39:20 No.5260120 Report

Quoted By: >>5260127

>>5260083
I'm assuming that the blood is for us to eat and experience it via Ossmodula.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Sun 08 May 2022 21:44:26 No.5260127 Report

Quoted By: >>5261095

>>5260120
If so then I'll vote
>A few drops of his blood, so that TalOS can process firsthand experience.
It wouldn't be the first time we done something like this. Also it means we might be able to some what recreate their power so we can calm the warp with our own powers.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:6FhbGcRV Sun 08 May 2022 21:51:17 No.5260131 Report

Quoted By: >>5261095

>>5260083
>Leave it. There is little reason to dig deeper and possibly become corrupt with such knowledge
Others can be Psykers, Talos has little interest in that sort of thing. Lawrence can be one of our experts for us.

We will probably want to be delving into surviving deeper and deeper realms of nullification field tech. So this is counter to that.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Sun 08 May 2022 22:28:56 No.5260153 Report

Quoted By: >>5260192 >>5260353 >>5260374 >>5260445 >>5260507 >>5260730 >>5261095

>>5260083
I don't want our boys ancilliae leaving with a bad taste in their mouth you know? Daddy TalOS has always been very very very weary of the warp. Why the change of mind?

If anything I would be interested in TalOS remembering to how to Deny the Witch. He used to be able to when he fought the plastoids. I am uncertain if he can do so effectively, a decade after.
If possible, a write in would be in order:
>Attempt to close his eye with your own psychic might.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UZ0FXdAH Sun 08 May 2022 22:41:19 No.5260161 Report

Quoted By: >>5261095

>>5260083
>Get a demonstration

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Anonymous ID:T05hpocR Sun 08 May 2022 23:21:45 No.5260192 Report

Quoted By: >>5260353

>>5260153
We havent even yet spoken with the Emperor.
Perhaps he's focused on finding the other primarchs before having the usual sit down and answer questions session. Or his focus is on the Mitu war.

I dont know if QM wrote why he left in such a hurry, but closing the eye before we've properly learned from the highest authority is a bad idea.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:T05hpocR Sun 08 May 2022 23:25:05 No.5260196 Report

Quoted By: >>5261095

>>5260083
>Leave it. There is little reason to dig deeper and possibly become corrupt with such knowledge
Information from the Emperor or Malcador will be required when we arrive to Terra before we access our psychic powers

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TL/saIlR Sun 08 May 2022 23:47:06 No.5260213 Report

Quoted By: >>5261095

>>5260083
>Leave it. There is little reason to dig deeper and possibly become corrupt with such knowledge

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:x+hl93ja Mon 09 May 2022 00:12:15 No.5260224 Report

Quoted By: >>5261095

>>5260083
>A few drops of his blood, so that TalOS can process firsthand experience.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Mon 09 May 2022 00:20:15 No.5260231 Report

Quoted By: >>5260446 >>5261095

>>5260083
>Try and get some demonstrations of their power.

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Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Mon 09 May 2022 02:41:57 No.5260353 Report

Quoted By: >>5260386

>>5260192
on what mushrooms are you on. What I want is the navigator to attempt to manifest a psyk power during his psyk phase and for TalOS to roll for Deny the Witch. I don't want our Cog boy to launch a crusade against the Eye of Terror.
>>5260153
My write in may not amount to much and I expressed myself terribly, but this is precisely my intention. I want TalOS to train his psyk defense. I picture him in a Dojo of sorts and having six psykers cast SMITE and he has to either dispell their stuff or learn to take it like a champ

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Mon 09 May 2022 02:59:50 No.5260374 Report

Quoted By: >>5260390 >>5260404

>>5260153
TalOS can still do it, you guys did not kill his psychic abilities. As for those thinking he can't, I think I made it obvious in the earlier post but TalOS won't commit a psychic power. TalOS has eaten two Psychic species worth of knowledge and he knows exactly what he needs to do to to use psychic powers. Thats why I have been writing him as very knowledgable in psychic arts. Hell, he might be on par with Magnus at this point with the sheer amount of knowledge he gained. Not power wise, but knowledge wise.

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Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Mon 09 May 2022 03:05:21 No.5260386 Report

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>>5260353
maybe you should change your vote to "A few drops of his blood, so that TalOS can process firsthand experience." it's us using our Ossmodula to experience it. if we know what they're doing we can more easily counter it. We did the same thing with the Plastoids. we ate one and not even an hour later we are de-manifesting their warp conjured plasma before it left their hands.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Mon 09 May 2022 03:09:02 No.5260390 Report

Quoted By: >>5260394

>>5260374
I feel like using his power to undo or stop someone else from using their Psyker powers should be an exception. after all, that and our eyesight are the only powers of ours we've already used.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Mon 09 May 2022 03:10:57 No.5260394 Report

Quoted By: >>5260397 >>5260445 >>5260510

>>5260390
Thats how I have been running it. How I see it, through his sheer understanding TalOS rips into the psychic attack and causes it to dissipate with the smallest of changes. If I was to write that ability, he would essentially get 3-2 Deny the Witch attacks with a +2 in their attempt but have no psychic power of his own.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Mon 09 May 2022 03:11:57 No.5260397 Report

Quoted By: >>5260403 >>5260445

>>5260394
Meant 3-4 deny attempts with a +2 to his Deny attempt.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Mon 09 May 2022 03:15:20 No.5260403 Report

Quoted By: >>5260445

>>5260397
Now that I think about it would probably be a 3. He did get jumped by Plastoids and failed to deny the full dozen of them that attempted the assassination.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:y59LTBZp Mon 09 May 2022 03:15:34 No.5260404 Report

Quoted By: >>5260408

>>5260374
How much would you say Talos stand out among Primarchs with a vested knowledge of learning? Is he one of the most knowledgeable?

The ones I can think who come close are Guilliman, but he had no fondness for excessive cybernetic augmentation of his mind nor is he endeared enough with the Admech to access their archives. He might prefer tactical reading to downloading info. He mentions specifically not being tech savvy like his brothers and couldnt comprehend fully the Cawl Inferior where he thought his brothers would know right away.
Those brothers being Vulkan, Ferrus and Perturabo come to mind, but their talents were innate. Ferrus rather did not like his reliance on metal arms and neither he nor Vulkan were admech either or augmented their heads.
Perturabo did augmented his brain with intense cybernetics. He might be the one to come close to Talos, but as with the others he loathed the religion of the Admech and priests in general so he may have been denied their archives too. Plus his augments were as an adult.

Talos brain was augmented from birth and he basically has a free subscription to the sum total of Mechanicus Knowledge and soon he will have access to the digital libraries of Mars and the Ordo Psykana. He might even be able to read the brain bionics of Lawrence and other navigators and infer their purpose. He even saw the hexagrammic molecular structures in the Emperors suit.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Mon 09 May 2022 03:20:53 No.5260408 Report

Quoted By: >>5260410 >>5260414

>>5260404
He's a rival to Magnus for sure. TalOS knows the mysteries of the material while Magnus practices that of the Warp.

The only wild card is Perty, but I got a little theory on him. Perterabo will never make something unless he is prompted to do it. He lacks that creative spark that the Emperor had to create something that has yet to exist (Like the Primarch and Space Marines).

As I see things, TalOS is the Emperor's creativity and ambition. TalOS will create what is needed and aims for heights greater than any of the Primarchs, just like the Emperor's Great Crusade.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:y59LTBZp Mon 09 May 2022 03:25:23 No.5260410 Report

Quoted By: >>5260413

>>5260408
I like the idea that Talos and Mangus are two sides of the Emperor Coin.

Magnus being the Emperors psychic knowledge, Talos being the Emperors scientific acumen as a tech genius. Kinda wish the Emperor would have long range noospheric communique with Talos like he does Psychic communication with Mangus. I hope we can achieve the same level of connection with him in time.

That also leads me to believe just as Magnus earned the eye of the warp gods, perhaps Talos may soon gain the attention of the materium gods. . .or at least the one trapped in Mars

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Mon 09 May 2022 03:26:40 No.5260413 Report

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>>5260410
Well, at the current moment, the Emperor does not feel it is the time to talk to TalOS. He needs to put some things to bed before that truly happens.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:y59LTBZp Mon 09 May 2022 03:27:35 No.5260414 Report

Quoted By: >>5260417

>>5260408
Perturabo maybe embodies the Emperors unyielding determination to complete unpleasant tasks to achieve a greater good. Theres so many other things hed rather be doing but that particular shit needs to get done.

In that regard Talos may empathize with Pert. There just simply isnt enough time or resource to do all the nice things. But the difference is Talos still tries.

And we got luckier, desu. Theres no shame in landing on a poor planet, and no honor in landing on a rich one.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Mon 09 May 2022 03:29:53 No.5260417 Report

Quoted By: >>5260420

>>5260414
Perty had the time, he just never used it. I believe the scene where his father comes up and admires his works only to be told off places that to the forefront.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:y59LTBZp Mon 09 May 2022 03:34:50 No.5260420 Report

Quoted By: >>5260507

>>5260417
Yeah.

Wonder if Talos will call him out for it.
>Brother, come, let us build some of your wonderful designs. I have planets who could use them
>[sperges about how wasteful/frivolos it is]

Perturabo says he wants to be a helper and make lives better. But then just doesnt. Olympians ended up barely any better than any other planet integrated into the Imperium and the peasants still lived like peasants. And none of that can be blamed on Horus.

Talos will also likely view the decimation as wasteful. It's one thing to throw men into the meat grinder if that is the most efficient action, give them courage and reduce the sense of pain.

But decimation aids nobody and does not produce efficiency. I dont think anyone actually liked that.

Talos may still hopefully pity his brother and deal with him in patience. Like that one friend you care about but you know he's kinda fucked.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:y59LTBZp Mon 09 May 2022 03:45:22 No.5260427 Report

Quoted By: >>5260479

>>5260083
>Leave it. There is little reason to dig deeper and possibly become corrupt with such knowledge
Now is not the time, later with better information. Navigators do have offensive abilities but of a different sort, like making people go mad by letting them view the warp as they do. But that comes later.

Why bother with psychic lightning and plasma anyway, that's what tesla guns and plasma guns are for.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Mon 09 May 2022 04:21:11 No.5260445 Report

Quoted By: >>5260446 >>5260507

>>5260394
>>5260397
>>5260403
Sounds good to me
>>5260153
Changing my vote to support this anon

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Mon 09 May 2022 04:22:13 No.5260446 Report

Quoted By: >>5261095

>>5260445
>And here's the green and the link to my old vote
>>5260231

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Son of Nanomachine ID:y59LTBZp Mon 09 May 2022 04:51:16 No.5260479 Report

Quoted By: >>5260507 >>5260510 >>5261095

Oh hang on we can get psychic denial actions?
>>5260427
Switch to
>that write in where we learn how to Deny the Witch

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Anonymous ID:fIJklXHQ Mon 09 May 2022 05:16:39 No.5260505 Report

Quoted By: >>5261095

>>5260083
>A few drops of his blood, so that TalOS can process firsthand experience.
This is probably the limit for now. A simple DNA sample to test while we improve ourselves would be best.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Mon 09 May 2022 05:19:10 No.5260507 Report

Quoted By: >>5260510

>>5260420
after the decimation, some of the other Primarch lobbied the emperor to strip Pert of his legion and the emperor basically said the legion was his to do whatever he wanted with it (dick move Big E.)

>>5260479
>>5260445
>>5260153
Guys, we already have Deny the Witch. It doesn't make sense in this context. we are asking him what else can you do. it would be pretty dickish to ask that and then just shut him down anyway. a counterproductive exercise.

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Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Mon 09 May 2022 05:22:25 No.5260510 Report

Quoted By: >>5260527

>>5260479 well QM told us here >>5260394 that TalOS hasn't forgotten to how to screw 'em psyks, so there isn't much profit in there... HOWEVER I am confident he can learn through actions and experimentation! So there IS value in tampering with the Navigator's manifestations, because these are directed to the Warp itself, rather than attempting to harm TalOS with plasma.

How I see it is that the navigator would look at the warp and TalOS would attempt to impede it, thus when I said "closing the eye". My goal is for the Priest to be able to cut people's connection to the warp doing TOTALL NOT psyk stuff.
Only the Adeptus Custodes have nulls in their ranks and they only have a couple of stratagems that are directly oposed against warp powers besides the sisters aura. I was hoping to see a more specialized skill that silenced enemies for example. https://wahapedia.ru/wh40k9ed/factions/adeptus-custodes/

>>5260507
Yes, but there is room for improvement

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Mon 09 May 2022 05:33:46 No.5260527 Report

Quoted By: >>5260537 >>5260564

>>5260510
1.) you need to be a Psyker or a blank (or have blank tech) to deny the witch so it won't help the average tech-priest.

2.) Deny the witch has a limited range so you would have to get on an enemy ship to find their navigator and cut off their connection in which case you might as well kill them anyways.

3.) I'm not saying we can't practice Deny the witch but we can do it later when we aren't testing what they can do.

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Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Mon 09 May 2022 05:42:09 No.5260537 Report

Quoted By:

*cough* found this one somewhere.

>>5260527
The way I see it is just another weapon for TalOS. Volkite blaster is just as effective, but another tool against psykers!? He will like that.
I will change the vote tomorrow

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Z4Tn/8O5 Mon 09 May 2022 06:19:51 No.5260553 Report

Quoted By: >>5261095

>>5260083
>A few drops of his blood, so that TalOS can process firsthand experience.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:y59LTBZp Mon 09 May 2022 06:58:57 No.5260564 Report

Quoted By: >>5260969

>>5260527
Has Dorns ability to instill order into his surroundings by sheer ordered mind and mental will have any similarity to deny the witch?

Wondering what book or lore its from

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:y59LTBZp Mon 09 May 2022 07:02:32 No.5260567 Report

Quoted By:

Truth be told we are no null, so it might better to enhance Vera and Trigs skill.

And for that, we need to get to Terra in time to help Malcador with his Pariah Program and convince him to not do it on Terra.

I seriously wonder how in canon such a smart man as him could make that sort of mistake. If Talos can realize that his navigators being suppress by the Blackstone Fortress is bad I ponder how Uncle Malc didnt see how the astronomical being right there wouldnt be an issue.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UVXQSzUT Mon 09 May 2022 08:33:25 No.5260606 Report

Quoted By: >>5261095

>A few drops of his blood, so that TalOS can process firsthand experience.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:izERUllk Mon 09 May 2022 12:26:57 No.5260719 Report

Quoted By: >>5261095

>Leave it. There is little reason to dig deeper and possibly become corrupt with such knowledge

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fR3Nebpr Mon 09 May 2022 12:43:47 No.5260725 Report

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>>5260083
>A few drops of his blood, so that TalOS can process firsthand experience.

Perturabo Appreciater

Perturabo Appreciater ID:2reef1J/ Mon 09 May 2022 12:48:14 No.5260730 Report

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>>5260153
>Support

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:wsn2yU5Q Mon 09 May 2022 13:05:27 No.5260744 Report

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>>5260083
>Leave it. There is little reason to dig deeper and possibly become corrupt with such knowledge
The damn mollusk may be watching and want to show us something foul, or tempting.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Mon 09 May 2022 16:24:05 No.5260969 Report

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>>5260564
it apparently comes Solar War and it's kinda vague about it. it's possible that his power is to calm the warp, or project his will on the warp creating order, or just project his will on the world around him.

if it's the 1st or 2nd one then it would weaken chaos but might actually accidentally strengthen psykers or make it safer to use their powers. because I imagine it's easier to use spells without trying to wrangle the warp to do what you want.

if it's the 3rd option that it would weaken all psyker except Dorn (if he practised at all).

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Mon 09 May 2022 18:26:27 No.5261095 Report

Quoted By: >>5261105 >>5261117 >>5261127 >>5261144

Some power demostrations
>>5260110
>>5260161
>>5260231

A few drops of blood
>>5260127
>>5260224
>>5260505
>>5260553
>>5260725
>>5260606

Leave the magics be
>>5260131
>>5260196
>>5260213
>>5260744
>>5260719

Test against the Psyker
>>5260153
>>5260730
>>5260479
>>5260446 - You didn't do it right but you got lucky I saw this

Very interesting. That is a spread if I ever saw one. We will go with blood unless someone demostrates I counted wrong. Also early update today because I got off work early, lucky me and you all.

Perturabo Appreciater

Perturabo Appreciater ID:2reef1J/ Mon 09 May 2022 18:33:38 No.5261105 Report

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>>5261095
Nah, it looks like you have counted right

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Mon 09 May 2022 18:40:56 No.5261117 Report

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>>5261095
Yeah I am fine with this, might have chosen different If I had remembered the memory consumption feature.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Mon 09 May 2022 18:46:04 No.5261127 Report

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>>5261095
this is fine, desu

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Mon 09 May 2022 19:01:29 No.5261144 Report

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>>5261095
yeah just double-checked it and your fine.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Mon 09 May 2022 19:54:15 No.5261200 Report

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TalOS pondered to himself for a long moment upon hearing those words. The declaration that it was an impossibility was something that the realized truly could not be true. The one before him was simply untrained in the ways that they could truly bring harm upon people.

TalOS sent a thought to a Steel Warden which caused the Acillian to move with perfect accuracy. The Navigator looked upon such actions with a sense of wonder before a sudden piece of understanding came upon him. What was that understanding he did not say.

Was it something the Psyker saw or maybe a thought that had finally finished.

None of that matter though as the Acillian walked to their father and handed him a small glass cup and a knife.

“Navigator Lawrence.” TalOS began as he presented the hilt of the knife and the glass cup to the psyker, “I ask you, upon my authority, for twelve drops of blood from your veins.”

“Blood?” The Psyker looked confused before his human eyes began to widen, “You… I had only heard it in rumors…”

TalOS already figured out what the Navigator wished to say, “It is true. My breed of man, Astartes, and my Acillians are all able to process biomatter into memory and data. At this moment I desire yours.”

“Arch Dominus.” The Navigator said flatly with several tinges of anxiety within those words, “We the Navis Nobility are not allowed to give such information even to one like yourself. There are many things that we see that even yourself would find harrowing! I…”

“It will not kill me. And you are not the first.” TalOS told the Psyker as he waved his hand, “In my lifetime I have consumed two races of Psykers. One terrible beyond understanding that was learned from a most foul god and the other fools who think they understood the Warp.”

“God…” The psyker almost sounded terrified as he heard that word, “You… you do not speak of fiction.”

“So you do know.” TalOS told the Navigator outright as he inched closer to the person, “So you also know that I cannot trust your kind readily and without heavy reason.”

TalOS watched as the Psyker’s eyes widened and his being began to shake. It was like a thousand ideas and thoughts began to rush behind the psyker’s human eyes that were held back.

Lawrence looked at TalOS with fear within his gaze, “Did you hear their whispers?”

TalOS felt a moment unlike any other upon those words, “Once. Once I did.”

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Mon 09 May 2022 19:55:18 No.5261202 Report

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The Psyker looked upon TalOS with solemn eyes and a slightly gaped mouth. His eyes bore directly into TalOS like never before. Before the man was held captive, languished in terror, and even felt a moment of solace. Now was a time that was different from them all.

“M-my lord.” The Navigator said in a hushed voice and he placed the Psychic regulator upon his lap, “I… understand. It seems through your wisdom you have taken far more actions than any of us have before against those denizens.”

“The day they act I shall not be found wanting.” TalOS informed the Navigator as he gave a solemn sigh, “What do they do to you?”

“I would answer you, Arch Dominus T-TalOS.” The Navigator said as he poked himself with the blade, “But what I will give you cannot match words alone. I… hope it will also help you understand better what they are. They are not ‘Gods’ like how your people think of them.”

One drop, two drops. The two of them stayed silent as they counted each and every one a piece of priceless information that the Primarch would receive upon their totality. The twelfth finally fell and TalOS accepted the cup with hands many times larger than it.

TalOS took in a breath and felt the incense he lit moments ago flood his system, +The Mysteries of the Cult Mechanicus, First Law, Life is Directed Motion.+

And with those words he drank.

TalOS saw a realm unlike anything he had ever seen before. He stood before the turning and twisting of colorless color that bent in all manners of ways. These twists and turns were the thoughts and souls of all the living beings that inhabited the universe. Any kind of extreme emotion, let it be immense anger, depression, ecstasy, and even happiness caused these tides of the warp to shutter and fall into amazing new forms.

Then he heard it. Screaming. So much screaming that it would overwhelm the senses. From the moment TalOS landed upon Lucius he always heard the screaming but his mind was built to ignore it. Only when he first felt the blessing of Blackstone that there was true silence. Though the senses of another TalOS heard it all. Unfiltered by his making, TalOS heard it all.

Then he started to hear it. Aimless and immense words that seemed to badger him where ever he looked. They badgered him with promises of power and glory but in the end they were aimless. Claims that they were devils and gods that can give him power.

These were the whispers Lawrence spoke of. But TalOS’s will pushed forward and he gained an even greater understanding than the Navigator.

They were not it. That singular blue eye of… of…

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Mon 09 May 2022 19:56:21 No.5261203 Report

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+... To Break with Ritual is to Break with Faith.+ TalOS finished as he placed the glass upon the table to his right.

TalOS looked up to see his workshop once more. No longer was he swimming through the tides of memory but the safety of his own place. The Navigator looked upon TalOS with a look of pure Terror but the Acillians kept to their posts. In the next second TalOS realized the Navigator got up and was trying to pull one of the Acillians but the guardian simply shook his head and gave a binaric answer to his verbal plea.

“You do not need to worry about me.” TalOS told the panicking navigator, “I find myself even more ignorant than when I started.”

“A-Arch Dominus!” The Navigator almost screamed as he flew to the Primarch’s side, “Your eyes, your voice, it was…”

“Ritual.” TalOS told the Navigator without a second’s more prompting, “And it was successful. I have learned much from your donation.”

“W-what did you learn?” The Navigator could barely calm down as fear held its grip upon him.

“Experience. How you observe the Warp and how you control it. Those things are intrinsic to you so I felt those first from your being.” TalOS mulled the details as he felt through the information, “I can easily see it weaponized. Those powers of yours. But doing so will bring great harm to yourself as well and I have already developed counter measures.”

“Nullification Technology?” The Navigator answered correctly.

“I will ask you though. What do you see upon me? It was short and otherworldly that you could barely understand it. I want to help you understand it so that I can understand myself.”

The Navigator looked upon TalOS for a moment’s hesitation with his human eyes. Knowing he already had permission he slowly opened them while TalOS glanced away for safety.

“Something that was always there, Arch Dominus. It was always there but I can only see it upon you because it is so strong. I cannot believe I was blind to such an existence.”

“You are dismissed.” TalOS told the Navigator, “I need a few hours to think.”

>>Choose your Forge World.
>Planet of the Faithful
>Secrets compounded by ever more secrets.
>The Ostracized.
>Forges within the clouds.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Mon 09 May 2022 19:59:33 No.5261207 Report

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>>5261203
I'm an idiot this was the perfect picture.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Mon 09 May 2022 20:11:12 No.5261219 Report

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>>5261203
>Forges within the clouds

That was great to read QM, well done.

Ho boy, this is gonna be ... interesting going forward.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Mon 09 May 2022 20:12:22 No.5261221 Report

Quoted By: >>5261238

Presuming the Imperium has mostly rediscovered forge worlds in the Sol/Pacificus Sector and those are the ones we will be visiting:

>"Planet of the Faithful"
No idea. Mars maybe? But I presume we're visiting other places besides Mars atm. Voss perhaps?

>"Secrets compounded by ever more secrets."
I'm betting this is Stygies 8

>"The Ostracized."
Xana II I bet, they were always viewed with suspicion more openly even than Stygies. The Emperor himself was vested in discovering this mysterious mythical world on the edge of Pacificus.

>"Forges within the clouds."
If by "clouds" figuratively mean void, I want to guess that might be Graia and its crown.

A bit 10,000 years too early to meet Captain Titus sadly.

Theoretically could also mean Jupiter, but why visit Jupiter before Mars and I bet we aren't going to jump tot Terra right away.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:RZ7inAdy Mon 09 May 2022 20:13:44 No.5261223 Report

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>>5261203
>The Ostracized

Very interesting, I wonder if we can make something that shields the navigators, like a mini directed Gellar field

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fR3Nebpr Mon 09 May 2022 20:14:24 No.5261225 Report

Quoted By: >>5261231 >>5262356

>>5261203
>The Ostracized.

Kek, The picture u used is cool too: Navigator saw tentacle tendrils coming from Talos's eyes, holy shit, that's Lovecraftian. And also we now know that Talos eyes is upgraded mutation of navigators eye? That's why Navigator was astonished?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Mon 09 May 2022 20:21:17 No.5261231 Report

Quoted By: >>5261234

>>5261225
No, I think it first a manifestation of the psychic might of a primarch, the terrible thing they could be if taken wholly by their warp powers and second their legion, the connection they have to their sons, rows and rows of more than human men marching in his wake.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Mon 09 May 2022 20:25:32 No.5261234 Report

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>>5261231
I think you guys are mistaken. The Navigator is talking about the universe in general.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Mon 09 May 2022 20:28:46 No.5261238 Report

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>>5261221
Presuming I am somewhat mostly correct, then strategically:

"Planet of the Faithful" - Going here, whether it be Voss or some other Mechanicus religous world, would allow us to have a greater voice among the conservatives I feel. Particularly if it is Voss who is "Right Hand of Mars". We could try and push for us to become the Omnissiah perhaps.

(btw I have a plan for how we can become the actual Omnissiah without psyker powers, I'll detail that in a next post)

If the "Secrets" world is Stygies, in addition to a plethora of xenos genetic samples that could potentially prove of use as well as their stealth technology, getting in touch with Xenarites and winning them over could prove useful. We could finally give AL3X a good role, and even set her and ourselves on the long journey to uncover the secrets of the necrons!

"Xana II", well, while we know of its dark fate in the Heresy, we also know that there would be quite many mysteries to uncover. A single forge world surrounding a lonely star with no other constellations in the on the far flung of the Galaxy? Being so older that it is definitely not an Ark Mechanicus colonized world, perhaps being a DAoT construct? It was simply too powerful to exist so far away from Mars, and yet they were there.

In canon, Xana was too powerful to fully subjugate due to the Rangdan war happening and the Imperium couldn't spare resourecs. But we can spare resources, and theoretically if we wanted to play with an iron fist we could attempt to lock control over it and maybe mitigate the Heresy as well as unlock some of its mysteries. It might also make a GREAT place for the Pariah Project, being far away, closer to the Halo Stars, and by making it a Null World we could cripple the influence of Chaos to boot.

During the Heresy they were able to move the planet to the eye of Terror. Likely this was a planetary warp drive, but given how such a strong forge world was found in the middle of fucking nowhere maybe its some DAoT drive still buried, that we could apply to Lucius or use to uncover its secrets. Who knows maybe its a sister planet of a sorts!

Speaking of, Graia's Crown is more definitely confirmed to have mass scale space orbital warp drives of very large calibre. Such technology would prove useful to our fleet and the Federation, as they use it for mobile means of resource extraction and construction. Imagine if not only the fleets of lucius went out to travel and construct worlds, but entire manufactorusm in space ready to completely redevop a planet in the blink of an eye? We could even start work on our own crown for Lucius.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Mon 09 May 2022 20:32:27 No.5261246 Report

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Also, future planning on how we can become the actual, literal Omnissiah without resorting to the Emperors psychic tricks.

So we know the Blackstone Fortress is basically the size of a small moon, or a moon. Its unbelievably vast. We could probably turn it into a manfuactorum on the inside and still have room to spare.

In Infinite and the Divine, an Ork Fleet was observed draining an ocean world dry using giant space elevator hoses to replenish the coolant for their reactor.

We could theoretically find an ocean world and siphon a portion of it into the Blackstone Fortress, then when we arrive on Mars, we literally make it rain and we even fill up some of the old dried ocean beds so that there will be continuous rain instead of the Emperors one shot trick. Start turning small parts of Mars green back like the good old days. Then we 100% have the right to claim the title of Omnissiah.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UZ0FXdAH Mon 09 May 2022 20:43:20 No.5261254 Report

Quoted By: >>5262356

>>5261203
>The ostrascised

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Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Mon 09 May 2022 20:47:33 No.5261261 Report

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>>5261203
>Planet of the Faithful
Deus Mechanicus

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Mon 09 May 2022 20:52:34 No.5261274 Report

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>>5261203
>The Ostracized / Write In (Xana II)
I could be wrong and the Ostracized is not Xana II, but if it is my reasonings why this would be a good first stop:

-If we can gain its true allegiance, we can gain some legitimacy and credit. Xana II was notoriously defiant of Mars but was seen as a wonder and a mystery enough to attract the eye of the Emperor. It could even gain us credit with the Emperor by bringing it into proper compliance instead of a more autonomous ally as in OTL
-It's perhaps one of the farthest flung forges in the Galaxy, bordering the Halo Stars. If we do gain its allegiance, this is the perfect place to set up our Pariah Project. It will be out of the way of the astronomican, so a Shadow in the Warp will be no problem. In fact, we could easily hide it because its lonely star has no other places for habitation, making it an ideal hidey hole for our own secrets
-Making it a Null Planet will potentially neutralize its risk of joining Chaos later in the Heresy and also ward away some of the Halo Star madness, maybe.
-What the fuck is a giant forge world that rivals mars doing in the middle of nowhere? Could have some sort of giant drive engine! They did supposedly move it into the eye of terror in the Heresy

Importantly we cannot expect every forge world to fall to Talos Persuasion either, not even Lorgar or the Emperor were that charismatic. If every human world just smiled and agreed to compliance, they wouldn't need the Legion. We may want to actually practice militarily subjugating or coercing a forge world, because there will and have been in canon forge worlds that did not simply bow before the Mechanicum. So at some point we should practice bringing a forge world into compliance. Xana II being far away with few diplomatic ties and being seen as a prize is ideal for this

We may, or in fact, will at some point have to fight fellow Mechanicum and learn how as well as how to reconcile after compliance is obntained. We will earn credit for bringing Xana into compliance where no other could

it's far away in a dark corner of space, the perfect spot to claim and make our hidden box no one else is allowed in. If we can win over the locals. By charisma or force. And we have the force.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:6FhbGcRV Mon 09 May 2022 21:35:32 No.5261340 Report

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>What the fuck is a giant forge world that rivals mars doing in the middle of nowhere
They bio-engineered a species of pink canine to be sensitive to the creepy stuff from the Halo Stars, but are cowardly and make loud noises when monsters are nearby.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:x+hl93ja Mon 09 May 2022 22:24:01 No.5261397 Report

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>>5261203
>Forges within the clouds.

Can you translate too me, I'm retarded what any of that meant.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Mon 09 May 2022 22:43:48 No.5261409 Report

Quoted By: >>5262070

>>5261246
I would rather bombard mars with icy-coments. Water is abundant in space. Even better, https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/oceanworlds_infographic_full.jpg let's haul the moons to Mars, ork style and dump their water into the red planet. I am confident there is so much avaible water out there... hmm, well yes big chance Terra and Mars have depleted the solar system already...

https://www.nasa.gov/jpl/the-solar-system-and-beyond-is-awash-in-water This is a good read

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Mon 09 May 2022 22:44:58 No.5261412 Report

Quoted By: >>5261420 >>5261461 >>5262356

>>5261203
Voting for:
>The Ostracized.
What was the world with the mastery over nanomachines?

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Mon 09 May 2022 22:55:04 No.5261420 Report

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>>5261412
Glavia, but its in the Scarus sector in Segmentum Obscurus which is west of us in the Lucius (Gothic) sector. IIRC the Imperium has only been able to reach out Segmentum Pacificus and of course Segmentum Sol. Presumably we're the new frontline of discovery so we could play a part in heading west to find it.

But right now i think we are choosing to visit those forge worlds which have been rediscovered specifically

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Mon 09 May 2022 22:59:32 No.5261423 Report

Quoted By: >>5261450

>>5261203
>"Secrets compounded by ever more secrets."
I'm assuming that this is asking which we go to first.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Mon 09 May 2022 23:23:29 No.5261450 Report

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>>5261423
Yup

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Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Mon 09 May 2022 23:41:15 No.5261461 Report

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>>5261412
>>5261420
Technically it's not Glavia that's mechanicus, but it's moon Galath. And even then it's not even a full forge-world, just an outpost.
Fitting for their sub-cult. So small, yet so much potential.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/zyuAYiv Mon 09 May 2022 23:46:20 No.5261465 Report

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>>5261274
>support
Dunno if QM will permit this write in or will default to what he has originally planned for ostracized planet, but this is a good plan for Xana

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:1ywk2agr Tue 10 May 2022 01:48:08 No.5261570 Report

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>>5261274
>+1 support
Talos doesn't really own Lucius or have a planet to call his own in a direct sense. We should change that.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:A9EQR7B7 Tue 10 May 2022 01:50:56 No.5261577 Report

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>>5261203
>The Ostracized.
They sound like they need a friend

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Anonymous ID:TL/saIlR Tue 10 May 2022 04:53:58 No.5261716 Report

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>>5261203
>>The Ostracized.

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Anonymous ID:AAL/2gcp Tue 10 May 2022 10:50:14 No.5261883 Report

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>>5261274
>Support

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Perturabo Appreciater ID:2reef1J/ Tue 10 May 2022 12:55:01 No.5261943 Report

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>>5261274
>support

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Anonymous ID:luuV4C6k Tue 10 May 2022 13:51:47 No.5261983 Report

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>>5261274
>+1
Bringing a forge world into compliance where no one else could will be a great flex for our boy

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:6FhbGcRV Tue 10 May 2022 15:39:43 No.5262070 Report

Quoted By: >>5262076 >>5262099 >>5262166 >>5262168 >>5262356

>>5261409
Yeah but if we store water on the fortress we can make it rain when we arrive by dropping it from the sky rather than just crashing comets into the ground. Plus if the oceans were drained dry on earth and mars probably the solar systems frozen water in space has already been exploited too by now.
>>5261274
>Supporting
I hope it won't come to having to fight them, maybe some threats and show of force with our fortress and fleet of acillians will be enough if diplomacy can't achieve their fealty. Also they play a big role in the rangdan xenocide, so having them in our fold will give us plenty of leverage with the Imperium when the war happens.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Tue 10 May 2022 15:48:58 No.5262076 Report

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>>5262070
Eh, if they are smart they will realize that they can gain a lot by throwing in with a fucking primarch that is challengening the superiority of Mars. It would be illogical to attack or antagonize him and there is a lot to gain by even being only tentative allies.
Their smartest move might even be to withhold direct support until they can be sure that we have enough forgeworlds behind us to give Mars pause and if that doesn't happen they lost nothing.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:q1AzODx7 Tue 10 May 2022 16:17:35 No.5262099 Report

Quoted By: >>5262168

I have a theory that Xana was built by the ancients to explore and colonize the Halo Stars which were dangerous unknown frontier even in those days, and why there are many dead alien worlds.

Maybe the region is rich in ancient archaeotech like deactivated men of iron or lost dark age colonies.

>>5262070
>>5262076
Just hope they arent hoarding or using any Halo devices. Those are said to be worse than warp corruption when in the hands of the elite and make them consume their subjects. That level of tech heresy Talos could not abide by.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Tue 10 May 2022 17:44:01 No.5262166 Report

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>>5262070
I understand... I guess RAIN is quite an impact.
Filling up an ocean overnight has a good punch too tho

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Tue 10 May 2022 17:45:29 No.5262168 Report

Quoted By: >>5262169

>>5262070
>I hope it won't come to having to fight them,
Well Dutonis fell in love with the God Machines. There is gotta be something amazing we can show 'em

>>5262099
>deactivated men of iron
Now friend, come with me for a second to this backroom *BLAM*

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Tue 10 May 2022 17:54:10 No.5262169 Report

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>>5262168
Good look executing the Lion or the Emperor.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Tue 10 May 2022 22:13:05 No.5262356 Report

Quoted By: >>5262372

Forge in the Clouds
>>5261219
>>5261397

Ostracized
>>5261223
>>5261225
>>5261254
>>5261274
>>5261465
>>5261570
>>5261883
>>5261943
>>5261983
>>5261412
>>5261577
>>5261716
>>5262070

The Planet of the Faithful
>>5261261

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Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Tue 10 May 2022 22:35:21 No.5262372 Report

Quoted By: >>5262373 >>5262376

>>5262356
Back to the usual extreme support I see. I wonder if there is any *trick* to make voting more dispersese like previous voting

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Tue 10 May 2022 22:36:55 No.5262373 Report

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>>5262372
Honestly I saw this going any ways and didn't really mind. Its when its predictable is when it matters (Like asking someone quesitons. No duh you wanna ask all of them).

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Tue 10 May 2022 22:49:30 No.5262376 Report

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>>5262372
I think the vote becomes dispersed when there is no clear logical indicator of what the correct choice will be. Talos personality allows him to reject knowledge of the warp as much as try to embrace it to know how to fight it or even test his powers on how to suppress it. They were all equally valid and provided potential benefit.

Also that option choice didn't have to make us pick between three different goals either. All of those options fit in the goal of "psyker interaction", rather than "should we pursue augmentation or investigate psyker". Because then it matters a lot more to pick the best option out of the three goals to get the most bang out of our buck.

Basically if you have to pick between apples, oranges and pears people will shift towards which fruit seems best. But if you're asking which side of an apple to bite out of first, then it becomes a lot more muddier.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Tue 10 May 2022 22:51:35 No.5262377 Report

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>>5262376
hmm... so if the choices are granular the voting will spread. It makes sense!

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Tue 10 May 2022 22:59:43 No.5262381 Report

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It was thanks to the amulet that hung upon TalOS’s neck that he barely felt the transition from the warp into the reality of the Machine God. During his time within the warp TalOS had learned so much more than he ever wanted to know. The only thing that kept him separated from that realm of thoughts and feelings was the amulet that hung on his neck.

For sure TalOS would have wished to have ridden here from the Blackstone Fortress. To have meters of nullifying metals between himself and the denizens that plagued that realm. For his tour of the Machine God’s realm though TalOS instead was forced to take a fleet of cruisers instead.

+Scanning area.+ Declared the Sensory Magos as they began sending TalOS a plethora of information, +Several locations active. Fleet Uncovered. Fleet providing codes of Mars and Imperium allegiance. Several other ships and planet declaring themselves to be of the Sovereign Forge Domain of Xana.+

+So we have arrived.+ TalOS declared with a wariness within his voice.

As they finished the Iron Curtains that once held out the Warp began to raise themselves and expose the planet. Before them was a blackened planet that looked to have been baked by a star. TalOS could easily describe it as burnt dust that was fried by the heat radiation of cogitator arrays.

It was a pitiful planet that indeed was covered in forges and assemblies. But TalOS could not help but feel it was the complete opposite to the prosperity that Lucius was afforded. A planet that was forever bathed in darkness and could only feel misery.

+We are being hailed by the Priests of Mars.+ Declared the Vox Adept as they sent TalOS a link, +They do not have our arrival scheduled.+

+Share with them the credentials of our service to Mars, Lucius, and my own. I was given word from the Astropath that this region of the galaxy is turbulent in the Warp and that our arrival might have even superseded our declarations of approach.+ TalOS told the comms operator.

+Understood.+ The Vox operator sent out a direct message beam to the other vessels. TalOS could feel the next message come in and the Vox Operator spoke, +Arch Dominus, they request that we meet them before any other action upon the Authority of Mars.+

+They invoke Mars…+ TalOS allowed that to sink in as he processed the information, +Very well. As we are their vassals we are obliged to follow their authority at this moment.+

+Message sent. They will be approaching us.+

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Tue 10 May 2022 23:01:05 No.5262382 Report

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It was around half an hour before the two ships were close enough to be in shuttle range of one another. Of course there were plenty of other ways such as teleportation that would have landed TalOS directly upon their ship but he could tell things were off.

Data reports about the planet said that it was resisting compliance with the Martians and that the Imperium was getting involved in negotiations. The most telling of this report was that Xana II’s file was given the preface “Paradox”. Thus any matters of convenience were rejected to instead resolve it in proper form. Such a thing meant that the lesser would board the major’s ship.

That was the reason TalOS was now riding in a shuttle that carried him and a series of Tech Priests and Steel Wardens across the void towards the other Cruiser. Sure there was the chance they could be shot out in the middle of space but TalOS knew things were too tense to even discharge weapons fire.

+Landing.+ The Piloting Servitor declared as they slowly went into the bowls of the cruiser.

TalOS soon felt the gravity of the Martian Cruiser set itself upon him and then the bump signifying the arrival upon the deck. The sound of pistons and decompression filled the air so that any issues caused flying in the void were resolved before the hatch even opened. The Arch Dominus stood before a small cohort of lesser Magos and the Steel Wardens who guarded the Priests.

As the tailgate lowered TalOS was presented with several red robed figures looking upon him with hidden sensory organs. While their faces might have been hidden the Priests all moved as if they were shocked with several volts of electricity. Such a state robbed them of their ability to speak and TalOS shook his head to that.

+Lords of Mars.+ TalOS spoke through his Vox Caster due to the Martian’s lack of a Noosphere, +You have asked for my presence and I have come. Make your peace so that I can visit the planet of Xana II myself.+

Those words seemed to jog something among the Priests and the tallest of them all spoke, +Arch Dominus TalOS DAV1S of Lucius I, Adept Clicker, have pleasure to welcome you to my vessel. If I may ask, are you a Primarch?+

+I have yet to fully understand the terms of that title.+ TalOS told them as he walked upon the deck of their Lord’s vessel, +But I am by its definition. I take it that both communications from your planet and my own approach have been stifled due to interference?+

+That is correct, Lord Primarch.+ The Priest of Mars declared as he gave a bow, +There is a stellar anomaly in the area recognized as the Holo-Star. It is the reason it took several years to discover the rumored realm of Xana.+

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Tue 10 May 2022 23:02:18 No.5262384 Report

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+Adept.+ TalOS declared as he looked upon the Priest with steel, +You are to address me as Arch Dominus. As far as I understand Primarch is an Imperial title. As we are both of the Cult, you will refer to me as my Orgained Title.+

+I am sorry Arch Dominus. Our apologize but we did not realize someone of your caliber was to arrive here.+ The Adept lowered his head as low as he could, +If you can pardon this transgression I shall retrieve the Magos.+

+You are pardoned. Send for him.+

And with those words the Adept raised his head a little but it was obvious to TalOS he was not with them. The relaxing of the muscles and sudden growth in comms chatter were plenty of indicators that the Adept was trying his best to reach his better.

Magos L4M: Arch Dominus TalOS…

Magos B4ST: They looked down upon us.

Magos U1T: Should we take this as confirmation of the Hough Court’s interactions?

TalOS listened to their conversation and thought to himself for a moment. Though for TalOS he could not really state if he was here or elsewhere when it came to his mind. As a Magos of ages past said if one were to look into the abyss it would look back. TalOS had done just that.

He needed to steady himself. Now is not the time to dream of the ether but instead act at this very second! TalOS began to morph his thoughts back to something that the Arch Dominus declared to himself hours after that event.

He will try, from this point onwards, that no more humans join that Chorus of pain and suffering.

Arch Dominus TalOS: It is indeed a slight. My Matrix is still processing how I wish to perceive such an act.

Magos L4M: That is understood Arch Dominus.

+Arch Dominus TalOS.+ The Adept finally snapped out of his lucid state to stare directly at TalOS, +If you would follow me I will deliver you upon the Magos.+

>Keep face for the moment, no reason to rustle feathers right now
>Use their knowledge, that TalOS is a Primarch, to pressure them into doing what he wants.
>Make sure they know an insult was taken badly.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Tue 10 May 2022 23:09:05 No.5262388 Report

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>>5262384
>>Make sure they know an insult was taken badly.
On a more simetric diplomatic relations I would take the insult like a champ, but the assimetry here is too much. This is ARCH DOMINUS TALOS FROM LUCIUS, A PRIMARCH OF THE EMPIRE OF MEN

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Tue 10 May 2022 23:13:16 No.5262392 Report

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>>5262388
to expand on what i said, ESL and all, we should bully the Mars retinue to get past them ASAP and reach the naturals of the planet. Harsh diplomacy against Mars is needed, because they know what's up.

Of course, technically we are on a diplomatic tour requesting Aid against the Mitu campaing

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Tue 10 May 2022 23:53:51 No.5262415 Report

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>>5262384
>Keep face for the moment, no reason to rustle feathers right now
I didn't see any insult, am I retarded?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:x+hl93ja Tue 10 May 2022 23:57:05 No.5262419 Report

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>>5262384
>Make sure they know an insult was taken badly.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Wed 11 May 2022 00:02:18 No.5262422 Report

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>>5262384
>Use their knowledge, that TalOS is a Primarch, to pressure them into doing what he wants.
If we're going to play this game with Mars, they need to know we aren't going to be second fiddle.

We're here to perform a task and we expect to have every card and asset available to us

>>5262415
The Martians didnt' even send their magos in person to greet us, as if we were some lowly emissary and not the Arch Dominos of a Forge World, in particular a very rich forge world with another forge world as ally, AND a primarch. They just sent some lowly priests to greet us. Hence we have summoned for the actual magos.

At least that's what I'm reading.

We seem to be right on time for the ongoing negotiations between Xana and Mars. So we had better hijack it for our purposes rather than what occured in OTL. Which means we'll have to sway Xana to Lucius or to us personally as far as we can, rather than leaving them autonomous.

This is the good time because the Rangdan War isn't putting time pressure as it did, so we're ahead of the timetable.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Wed 11 May 2022 00:02:34 No.5262423 Report

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>>5262384
>>Keep face for the moment, no reason to rustle feathers right now
Remain impassive, give no indication of hurt feelings, offended pride or other emotive responses, We show our strength by being more Martian than the Martians.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:q1AzODx7 Wed 11 May 2022 00:07:42 No.5262429 Report

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>>5262384
>Use their knowledge, that TalOS is a Primarch, to pressure them into doing what he wants.
Pragmatic option please. Being passive will not help us not be easily dismissed, but being salty isnt beneficial either. Let's learn to use our standing as both son of the Emperor and an Arch Dominus to our gain.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Wed 11 May 2022 00:22:15 No.5262456 Report

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>>5262384
>Use their knowledge, that TalOS is a Primarch, to pressure them into doing what he wants.
this is the most optimal path.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dlIWFprB Wed 11 May 2022 02:00:17 No.5262613 Report

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>>5262384
>Pressure them with his primarch status.

Never forget an insult. We can forgive, but never forget.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Wed 11 May 2022 02:14:18 No.5262638 Report

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The thing about TalOS being pissed is that no amount of emotional vault is saving Mars' envoy from a Primach being pissed

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:0Rgp6iZ4 Wed 11 May 2022 02:45:35 No.5262687 Report

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>Use their knowledge, that TalOS is a Primarch, to pressure them into doing what he wants.

They have given insult. Whether unintentional or not. We shall take advantage of this. We play the same cult politics after all.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lSS0X/cr Wed 11 May 2022 04:12:11 No.5262774 Report

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>Pressure them with his primarch status.

I agree. We might as well leverage the insult and our primarch status to force negotiations in our favor. Turning Xana to our realm of influence could be a very big change from canon.
I wonder if we can get access to some of the weapons and toys that are available to the Mechanicum Taghmata during the Great Crusade and Horus Heresy such as, personal retinue of Legio Cybernetica robots outfitted with teleporters to act as a suprise bodyguard force.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Wed 11 May 2022 04:34:16 No.5262804 Report

Quoted By: >>5262807 >>5262927 >>5263048

Side Question to QM: Are we familiar with the Ordo Reductor? Do we have a Thallax STC on Lucius? If not, can we obtain one from the Mechanicum? If yes to any of of those, can we eventually consider using Thallax Cohorts of mortally wounded Acillians and Astartes as sort of a dreadnaught-lite option that will let them keep pace with their former comrades? The process is said to be a bit rough on the implantee but emotional vaults and Marine phisiology ought to help with that.

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Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Wed 11 May 2022 04:35:54 No.5262807 Report

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>>5262804
Kinda fits with both our doctrine and aesthetic.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Wed 11 May 2022 06:50:43 No.5262927 Report

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>>5262804
I imagine we will only use Thallax if we can't use dreadnaughts (from time or resource restraints). Thallax are better used on normal humans or Skitarii.

Thallax: 135 (45 each) points for a squad of 3 then it's 40 additional points for each up to 9 (375 total)
WS: 3, BS: 4, S: 5, T: 5, Wounds: 3, A: 2, LD: 8 SV: 4+

Dreadnought: 120 point cost. can get 3 for 360
WS: 3+, BS: 3+, S: 6, T: 7, Wounds: 8, A: 4, LD: 8 SV: 3+

Perturabo Appreciater

Perturabo Appreciater ID:KghQuRX1 Wed 11 May 2022 08:17:18 No.5262974 Report

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>>5262384
>Use their knowledge, that TalOS is a Primarch, to pressure them into doing what he wants.

The priests of Mars may have slighted us in having an adept meet us, but this is not the time for us to seek justice from their actions. Today, we have come to seek an alliance and cooperation with another fellow Forge World, so small matters such as face is irrelevant when compared to our mission. Rather, we can use this to our benefit and press the Priests to follow our will, after all we are a.... creation of their "Omnissiah", and we can use that in our favor.

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Anonymous ID:wbsMVIrY Wed 11 May 2022 10:57:44 No.5263043 Report

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>>5262384
>Make sure they know an insult was taken badly.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Wed 11 May 2022 11:16:21 No.5263048 Report

Quoted By: >>5263068 >>5263533

>>5262804
>>5262807
I imagine this will be one of the many things we will attempt to pursue as part of the "Great Research/Reorganization Vacation" arc where we're no longer flitting about the Galaxy trying to establish Lucius and ourselves and can sit in our nice comfy Fabricator General chair and spend some years on Sol, talking with Emperor, Uncle Malcador, and maybe even getting to spend some quality time with our wife.

Possibly we can try to make a big list that QM can factor into a timeskip event, so he can just say "congratulations you did all of what could be achieved with the resources on Mars/Terra except these things which are for now beyond even Talos ability, now to head back out into the Galaxy as there's even more science to rediscover and great crusading to be done. At least, that's how I can sort of envision a way to feasibly achieve most of the inevitably gigantic list of things us players would try to do.

In regards to the Thallax specifically, I suppose it depends how versatile they are.

My big dream is for Talos to cook up Primaris-Scale Bionics. Arms, legs, torso, basically the Iron-Father Primaris Body of Malkaan Feirros, and just shoving the brain and any relevant organs into the chest cavity. While it might not benefit from the same geneseeds and enhanced organ survivability of a Primaris, being able to tout bigger and meaner space marines is great. They dont' even have to be wounded, we can just ask for volunteers or even veterans who want to become one with the machine.

a Primaris-Height cyborg would have the same versatility as a space marine where as I don't know if the same is true or not as the Thallax. But if the Thallax is better than a Primaris Cyborg, then that's even more perfect it saves us less trouble and we can just ask Volunteers from the get go.

Why wait for wounding, when it is an ideal to become one with a machine? Just add some mechadendrites and blam, research versaility and fine motor skills. Guilliman moaned that his hands were too big to pick up pieces of paper. Talos would never have a problem like that because he'd just use tiny metal tentacels to pick them up and write on them.

For those Astartes who don't share the Iron Hands/Techmarine mentality of abandoning flesh, Talos could use his Genetor Skills to try and cook up the same genetic formulae that make the Sons of Antaus really large and have even greater healing factor than normal. But if we go through with the Mass Techmarine program, I'm wondering how many astartes will be left who cling to their flesh.

>>5262927
Iirc those rules are rather old and not updated for 8e/9e, so the Thallax updated today might even be better. Unless I'm mistaken.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Wed 11 May 2022 11:23:08 No.5263053 Report

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Ultimately, I do believe mass bionics will be the way to go when it comes to merging the legions as long as we can maintain Lucius vast wealth to afford it.

Through bionics, the physical differences between Acillians and Astartes won't matter we can just upgrade both of them with limbs and forms that are superior even to them. Astartes bionics have been stated to be better than actual astartes limbs in the Iron Hands novel and that's the entire Iron Hands shtick, which our legion will take to an even greater extreme as Techmarines. (we might even ending up selling superior bionics to the Iron Hands legion and the Iron Warriors because obvioulsy both of them would be interested for different reasons)

Then any doctrinal or tactical differences can be handled through training and hypnomat.

It would be the simplest way to mesh our two legions together, rather than trying to tweak more into the genetics. Not to mention since our legion loves their oxygen burning gas, we can make their bodies resistant to the flame gas so they can wade through the stuff without harm. We might not be the Death Guard when it comes to resilience, but damn will we get close with bodies mostly of steel and those few organs not replacable protected behind armorgass.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:6FhbGcRV Wed 11 May 2022 12:01:04 No.5263068 Report

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>>5263048
The vacation arc sounds so comfy I hope it happens. Upgrading our entire legion into Techmarines and giving them metal bodies will take some time after all. Plus gives QM opportunities to flesh out Talos character outside of just war and politics.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:I7vQoynZ Wed 11 May 2022 12:20:38 No.5263073 Report

Quoted By: >>5263541 >>5263699

>>5262384
>Keep face for the moment, no reason to rustle feathers right now

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:15ydB3xE Wed 11 May 2022 13:19:48 No.5263103 Report

Quoted By: >>5263541 >>5263699

>>5262384
>Keep face for the moment, no reason to rustle feathers right now

Doing the hissyfit right now I think is not as well as bringing up our experience with Xana. Because I do not think there is a more accomplished Arch Dominus in theatre, and as customary admirals have to greet admirals, not captains bringing an admiral to another admiral.
That shit breaks a lot of ancient traditions.
So the question of what has the leader of the fleet so enraptured becomes very pertinent and it better be something big. Else we are very much justified in swiping Xana from under their asses.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:InG8JOLp Wed 11 May 2022 14:11:36 No.5263122 Report

Quoted By: >>5263541 >>5263699

>>5262384
>Keep face for the moment, no reason to rustle feathers right now
Mars was incompetent when it came to negotiations with Xana. "When your enemy is making a mistake don't interrupt them". If we lay low and pretend not to care, they won't try to stop us when we swindle Xana out from under their noses. If we make a scene now, they'll throw everything they can to slow us down.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:15ydB3xE Wed 11 May 2022 14:27:42 No.5263137 Report

Quoted By: >>5263171 >>5263233

Also, terribly annoyed I did not look at this primarch quest earlier. Aside from the spelling errors and occasional missing word it is quite nice. Would have wanted to be at the start of the Achillan project and make a bit for them calling us gene sire instead of father. A more comprehensive word usage that we could have turned on Emps, if he bothered to go beyond the few exchanges we had with him.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Wed 11 May 2022 15:00:41 No.5263171 Report

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>>5263137
Yeah being in thread 1 woulda been nice.

I think calling our legion sons is fine. We want our legion to be our sons, so we will be as a Father to them. Because we choose to be and have said so and will try to earn it.

To our sons in the 2nd, they are for now our Genestock, but when we meet them in full we will tell them we will try to be as a father to them all.

The Emperor could be another father to us, as C4R, but he would too have to choose that. When we speak to him again, maybe we can let him know. We will be very happy, and pleased to be a faithful tool and weapon, he does not need to mask his intent in the guise of faux paternity.

We know what he wanted in his psychic message. Someone to follow him, to fight in his wars. We intend to be that. . .from within the Mechanicum. To bend it to the will of the great cause of Mankind.

But does he want sons? Does *he* want to be a father? If he feels the loneliness as we do, for we too have embraced children and companionship, we can welcome him with arms and get to know him better. Maybe even a name we can call him. Doesn't have to be his true name (for the Mechanicus Rites warns about giving ones true credentials to a Daemon Virus), but a name he permits himself to be called. We are Talos as much as 2nd Primarch.

He probably knows our True Name too desu.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Wed 11 May 2022 15:19:40 No.5263196 Report

Quoted By: >>5263215

Imo what separates a Son and Father, from Creator and Created? Is it merely genetic lineage? The galaxy is full of bastards and orphans, they were sired by their parents but never once had felt the touch of their love and care. Likewise, there are many who adopt, both common and noble, taking them to be part of their family, their legacy, to show them affection and care. That is the difference.

Trig and Vera are our children, because we choose them to be and show them our love. They may not be of our geneline or stock, but they will one day bear the name Davis, and will be nobles of both the Lucian House of Davis and of the Imperial Household. We call T3L5A, ED150N and our other Acillians sons too. We are glad when they succeed and prosper, and saddened if any of our sons are lost. We let them know they have a father in us as much as a commander or a genemaker.

To be a father is to love your children as sons, whoever and whomever they are, as C4R did to us. If the Emperor wants a son, all he need do is be honest and ask. And if he just wants tools, there is no problem in that. We would even praise and be pleased at his honesty of heart. We do not need to be deceived to obtain our loyalty. There are very many who serve under us as tools and servants of the Machine God in his great work, whom we would fight for and consider ally and partner all the same. We may even create many servitors and constructs of our own, whom we do not call son, but expect reliability from. But to be a son and a father, that requires honesty and care.

I feel kinda bad for Perturabo's adopted father. He would have loved having a son like us. Our view is likely the exact opposite of Pert, he couldn't abide any lesser beings to be his kin or to grow close to his heart. Not even his own "sons".

Also I'm unsure how much the Emperor really wants sons either, given how many sensei and lovers he abandoned. I'm not sure the TTS joke explanation of him leaving women in a bloody mess is any better.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:InG8JOLp Wed 11 May 2022 15:40:33 No.5263215 Report

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>>5263196
Not all the Emperors children were sensei, only some of them. Perhaps most of them aged and died normally and the Emperor thought this was the case for all of them. I don't think its fair to assume the Emperor abandoned them all, he might have made the mothers and their families very rich and well off and left them be. The sensei were an immortal anomaly he didn't recognize because they were pariahs and so invisible to psykers. I think if we end up making children with UZ1 in a biotank, it would be sweet if Vera and Trig have siblings who are just like them, nulls. Then they would have no doubt for sure we are their father.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Wed 11 May 2022 15:55:17 No.5263233 Report

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>>5263137
But then we wouldn't be dad TalOS

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:RXMqI5bS Wed 11 May 2022 16:39:27 No.5263275 Report

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>>5262384
>Keep face for the moment, no reason to rustle feathers right now

Let the Martians think we are easy to dismiss, easy to manipulate. We'll do our own secret deals with Xana.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Wed 11 May 2022 18:29:40 No.5263371 Report

Quoted By: >>5263393

I honestly feel that TaL0S doesn't like diplomacy.
He isn't bad at it, probably even pretty good, since he has Primarch charisma, can ready people easily and still considers their positions in the deal, but he would rather be doing somethng else, like inventing, tinkering or simply talking to his extended family and friends.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Wed 11 May 2022 18:47:24 No.5263393 Report

Quoted By: >>5263466 >>5263492

>>5263371
Likely correct.
At the same time, diplomacy can lead to resources, knowledge, and technology. And diplomacy and psychology themselves are sciences. So Talos is more than willing to go through with learning it. And there's always the satisfaction of a good deal being struck.

But it's not as big a hobby to him as say, Fulgrim or Guilliman. At least while Fulgrim still does diplomacy.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:RZ7inAdy Wed 11 May 2022 19:30:06 No.5263425 Report

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>>5262384
>Use their knowledge, that TalOS is a Primarch, to pressure them into doing what he wants.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:6FhbGcRV Wed 11 May 2022 19:58:02 No.5263466 Report

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>>5263393
We're going to be impressed as hell when Fulgrim goes to Byzas and wins over the whole planet with only seven space marines and himself in less than a month.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:15ydB3xE Wed 11 May 2022 20:21:12 No.5263492 Report

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>>5263393
Psychology is more of a pseudoscience or soft science depending on how you want to play it. And diplomacy is an art.
They have rules, patterns and guidelines but are way to subjective to be a mechanics main fare. Not that admech is incapable of it, but very few see the point of it when they can negotiate deals from the position of local monopoly.

That being said we are going to be going on a applied diplomacy course and the creation of the federation was a nice apetizer. Especially the Knight recruitment scenes.

Speaking of. Knights I hope we have some Knight statues on lucius and go for more Knights.

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Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Wed 11 May 2022 20:31:37 No.5263512 Report

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What is bad about psicology is that while the processes and research may not be flawed, there are lines of thought. In one of them fucking your mother is a fulfilling experience and in another it's horryfing and taboo.

The judge didn't like my argument
>t. sonichu

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Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Wed 11 May 2022 20:43:22 No.5263533 Report

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>>5263048
>and just shoving the brain and any relevant organs into the chest cavity.
This made me remember many shows where this trope is used.
One being Shapes from texhnolyze. Essentially your head is whole but the rest is compated into a cocoon. See pic related, the brown thing at the center is what I am talking about.

Another boring mention is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFuxiZFwDPs robocop 2014. I call it boring because the housing of the organs is built around them, without attempting to reduce them in size and shove them in a compact canister? I would get rid of the left ventricle and atrium because there is no body to pump blood into. The right side could easly circulate blood into the lungs for gas exhange and the remaining cardiac output would go into the brain and hand. Since the head is a metal case I would easly regulate the intracranial pressure so it's very very easy to get blood going and bypassing the siphons too... ah! honorary menton to Prushka Soup

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Wed 11 May 2022 20:49:09 No.5263541 Report

Quoted By: >>5263554

>>5263122
>>5263103
>>5263073
>>5262415
>>5262423

I want to mention that showing Xana that we got pissed off with Mars may work on our favour, if they are resisting being put under Mars' influence. This also shows that Mars is not on the best terms with TalOS so Xana would say "oh so he is not another Mars lackey" and be interested in what we have to say.
This is the main reason why I want TalOS to be so pissed off >>5262388 about this discrete slight. And because angry primarch is best primarch

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Wed 11 May 2022 20:57:13 No.5263554 Report

Quoted By: >>5263585

>>5263541
The thing is, we aren't yet meeting with the Xana envoy's, just with the Magos in charge of the whole diplomatic endeavor. A Mars envoy, pissing him off isn't gonna help.
Not that saying nothing will do much either aside from biding our time.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Wed 11 May 2022 21:15:10 No.5263570 Report

Quoted By: >>5263585

>>5263533
I mean at that point, why have traditional lungs and a heart anyway. Just have compact blood oxygen cleanse and dispensers and two mechanical heart pumps.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Wed 11 May 2022 21:26:48 No.5263585 Report

Quoted By: >>5263595

>>5263554
>The thing is, we aren't yet meeting with the Xana envoy's, just with the Magos in charge of the whole diplomatic endeavor. A Mars envoy, pissing him off isn't gonna help.
Oh but brother, words travel fast, noosphere or not. It's all about that sweet, sweet first impression

>>5263570
Well yeah, having a permanent flow pump would do just fine, and no need to have two! Of course current pump grafts are two. Here have a read https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Most-commonly-used-mechanical-circulatory-support-devices-a-The-HeartMate-II-LVAD_fig1_303482700

About lungs, I haven't found any convincing materials that can replace the alveolii. Nanometer thin, microscopical bubbles that have a mesh of blood on the "ouside" of them and gas on the "inside" of the baloon, grouped in clusters to use space as efficiently as possible...

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:AG4Wpe14 Wed 11 May 2022 21:36:09 No.5263595 Report

Quoted By: >>5263623

>>5263585
You doubt the master genetor and techpriest Talos could not come up with either a compact genetic lung or a biomechanical one that takes up a tenth of the space? Let alone some STC future sci fi biology?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:AG4Wpe14 Wed 11 May 2022 21:52:50 No.5263614 Report

Quoted By: >>5263623 >>5263699

>>5262384
>Keep face for the moment, no reason to rustle feathers right now
I think Talos is the calculating type. He'll wait to see the situation, gather all data, then make his move. They likely already deal with more openly boisterous primarchs like Horus and Russ, so just trying to brute force our way is something they could be used, even preparing for.

When the time is right, then he strikes with the full fury of a cruiser ram. For now we can let their guard down.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Wed 11 May 2022 21:59:25 No.5263623 Report

Quoted By:

>>5263614
Oh come on, this IS the time to strike with fury! By calling their manager
>>5263595
Yeah, that's how most fiction works... :( did you save a .gif and it became a .jpeg?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Wed 11 May 2022 22:14:08 No.5263637 Report

Quoted By:

Here's the current score.

>Keep face for the moment, no reason to rustle feathers right now 7

>Use their knowledge, that TalOS is a Primarch, to pressure them into doing what he wants. 8

>Make sure they know an insult was taken badly. 3

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:6FhbGcRV Wed 11 May 2022 22:40:52 No.5263669 Report

Quoted By: >>5263699

>>5262384
>>Use their knowledge, that TalOS is a Primarch, to pressure them into doing what he wants.
Just because I think QM could write a cooler scene this way.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Wed 11 May 2022 23:02:37 No.5263699 Report

Quoted By: >>5263708

Take the Insult Badly
>>5262388
>>5262419
>>5263043

Rustle no feathers
>>5262415
>>5262423
>>5263073
>>5263103
>>5263122
>>5263275
>>5263614

Pressure
>>5262422
>>5262429
>>5262456
>>5262613
>>5262974
>>5263425
>>5263669
>>5262687
>>5262774

Put pressure upon him!

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Wed 11 May 2022 23:12:16 No.5263708 Report

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>>5263699
One of our closer votes in a while

The Machine QM

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Thu 12 May 2022 00:53:51 No.5263810 Report

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The Adept brought the group of Lucians through their hull with the accuracy that one should expect from a Tech Priest. TalOS noted that they even went around and occasionally took maintenance passages as they tried to get to their destination as fast as they could.

Finally they arrived in what TalOS quickly identified as the bridge of the ship. Even with several thousand years apart TalOS could tell how little changed between Lucius and the red Martians when it came to overall ship design. The only real difference here was that the Martian vessel carried about it a series of red banners that were strung across the ceiling just like how Lucius would their own.

Looking forward TalOS saw an immense form of a man swathed in mechanrites and machinery that could only belong to a Tech Priest of high caliber. As the Adept placed TalOS and his possy at a small distance the Tech Priest that was a little shorter than TalOS turned around and gave a bow to him.

+I am Magos Margin. /Situation Analysis/ I did not expect a son of the Omnissiah to have graced my presence today.+ The Man Machine declared as he gave TalOS an ever deepening bow.

+Magos Margin, I come here understanding that you are the head diplomat to the world of Xana II?+

+[Agreement] You are correct my Lord.+ The Magos declared while raising his head, +It is the duty the Fabricator General himself placed upon him. To investigate, analyze, and prepare Xana for its entrance into the greater fold of the Omnissiah and the Mechanicum.+

TalOS pondered to himself for a moment, but not without noticing the fear on the Adept’s face as his Magos spoke. TalOS was sure the lesser Tech Priest was expecting TalOS to reprimand his master for not calling him by his full title. But TalOS was realizing quickly what the situation was and knew now was not the time for reprimand.

The Tech Priest before him was overestimating TalOS’s worth and already gave the Primarch immense amounts of information. TalOS only needed to work forward from there and squeeze them dry before employing his greater scheme.

+Information gathering? Provide me a conjecture.+

The Tech Priest before TalOS gave a bow before sending him a package of information.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Thu 12 May 2022 00:54:52 No.5263811 Report

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+Xana II is an anomaly in relation to the records of Mars.+ Declared the Tech Priest as TalOS began reviewing the data parcel he was given, +We have records of all the Forge World and maintained contact with a vast majority that were within Segmentum Pacificus and Solar. Xana II however does not share this trait with its other worlds.+

+So the records of Mars are incomplete? Are we sure this is not a Forge World spawned from another nearby?+

+/Processing Suggestion/ [Denial] There was no Ark Mechanicus that have approached this region that has not reported back to Mars.+

+Is that the reason why this planet was declared a Paradox?+ TalOS asked as he narrowed his eyes, +And why they sent an investigator instead of a diplomat?+

+/Joy/ You are correct Primarch TalOS. As expected of your kind.+ The Tech Priest did a mocking cheer as he took a moment to shuffle what was likely a rod of data within his mind, +I am here to determine the origin of this Forge World. Currently I have numerous theories but do not have any.+

+Speak your mind.+

+/Organizing by probability/+ The Tech Priest declared as his body began emitting data rhythms, +First, Xana was birthed from a time distorted craft. Second, they generated from a small group of Adepts and thus records have become scarce. Third, they are a congregation of Exiled Tech Priests.+

+You believe the warp is more likely than others?+ TalOS asked as he noticed the Tech Priests priorities.+

+I do. /Conjecture/ The Warp has caused numerous phenomena across the universe due to time distorment. Such events can cause massive deviation. They wish to keep this secret to prevent attempt to correct timeline cohesion.+

TalOS heard those words and processed it for himself. Still the other two make more sense than whatever nonsense. Soon though TalOS realized the truth of the matter.

TalOS spoke his realization, +I take it the others are less likely because Mars does not forget?+

+Correct.+

The Machine QM

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Thu 12 May 2022 00:56:29 No.5263813 Report

Quoted By: >>5263824 >>5263830 >>5263832 >>5263835 >>5263869 >>5263874 >>5263988 >>5264151 >>5264160 >>5264161 >>5264176 >>5264220 >>5264340 >>5264355 >>5264433 >>5264475 >>5264690 >>5264790 >>5264807

TalOS took a moment to look around the room and noticed the setting of several of the cogitators that were spread about the place, +What were you doing as I came in?+

+Collecting information on Xana. Their defenses are strong however and I have failed to penetrate their secondary Aegis Systems.+

TalOS nodded as he heard those words but inside he was starting to gain a dislike for this man, +You are attempting to crack their Datalinks. What drove you to such an extreme measure.+

+They are a Paradox Primarch TalOS. Whatever happened, let it be temporal anomalies or exile, are all crimes that must be realized.+

TalOS processed such a declaration before saying his own, +So that is the hold up here. You and Xana are waging a data war against one another?+

+/Insert Defense/ They did not give Mars what was expected of us. We asked them to provide light to illuminate us. To make us understand why they are not a paradox. /Anger Quarantined/ They failed to comply at all stages and declare their independence from Mars. That cannot be for Mars is the head of the Cult Mechanicus.+

TalOS began to think about the situation and process what was there. The fact Xana hated Mars was something TalOS was starting to understand since the Fabricator General didn’t sent a diplomat but a datasmith to their planet. Constantly bombarded by digital attacks from the Mechanicum, TalOS wondered why there has yet to be a hot war between them.

Then again those on Xana were not stupid. If they sparked a hot war the Legions would come to take them down.

+/Inquiry/+ The Tech Priest before TalOS got his attention back again with a beam of data, +Would you be able to breach their Aegis Protocols? Your assistace in this matter would honor me. I understand it that you are an Arch Dominus and as such would have access to higher capacity infiltration tools.+

That was a card TalOS expected to be drawn but it still gave him a little surprise. IT would be an easy way to get the information and TalOS was sure he could do it. Though him against thousands of active Tech Priests would mean his presence might be marked.

Then again if he denies this Tech Priest the Magos might finally check on TalOS’s circumstances. After all, TalOS was sure this fool is under a bunch of assumptions made by his Adept.

>TalOS can help Mars.
>The Primarch will, on his own terms. Because Mars be fucked
>No, that's how this all started in the first place. TalOS is here to fix it.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Thu 12 May 2022 01:06:47 No.5263824 Report

Quoted By: >>5264813

>>5263813
>No, that's how this all started in the first place. TalOS is here to fix it.
Machine goddammit Mars, stop being a bunch of dumbasses

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 12 May 2022 01:12:58 No.5263830 Report

Quoted By: >>5264813

Hot damn a data war, this is actually cool. Kinda a shame I don't think joining the Martians attempts are the best route for us personally, but this would have been an excellent testing opportunity.

>>5263813
>No, that's how this all started in the first place. TalOS is here to fix it.
Let Mars pour on the vinegar, we bring the honey. Or at least, the other alternative.

The other alternative being under our direct patronage instead of Mars.

If our plan fails, then we will resort to the Martians brute force attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Thu 12 May 2022 01:13:58 No.5263832 Report

Quoted By: >>5264813

>>5263813
>>The Primarch will, on his own terms. Because Mars be fucked

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:8wbVUBdG Thu 12 May 2022 01:15:00 No.5263835 Report

Quoted By: >>5264813

>>5263813
>No, that's how this all started in the first place. TalOS is here to fix it.

Repeating the same mistakes ain't gonna be cracking that egg chief.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 12 May 2022 01:22:59 No.5263843 Report

Quoted By: >>5263851

I do believe Talos could crack that egg, but it isn't going to win over Xana to us.
Asides, when we win over Xana to us we want to strengthen that egg shell, in case we ant to make it our secret vault of secret things for Talos and Malcador's eyes only.

NO ALPHARIUS' ALLOWED. ESPECIALLY YOU ALPHARIUS.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Thu 12 May 2022 01:26:02 No.5263851 Report

Quoted By: >>5263872

>>5263843
Fine, I'll switch. I do really want to have a sneakytoes look around their datavaults to see what Tech-heresy they were up to before we took their side over the Martians though.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Thu 12 May 2022 02:04:17 No.5263869 Report

Quoted By: >>5264813

>>5263813
>No, that's how this all started in the first place. TalOS is here to fix it.
Cooperation first. any secrets can be uncovered later.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Thu 12 May 2022 02:06:13 No.5263872 Report

Quoted By:

>>5263851
Remember to use geen text and link when you switch

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TL/saIlR Thu 12 May 2022 02:08:13 No.5263874 Report

Quoted By: >>5264813

>>5263813
>No, that's how this all started in the first place. TalOS is here to fix it.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:15ydB3xE Thu 12 May 2022 05:05:37 No.5263988 Report

Quoted By: >>5264475 >>5264813

>>5263813
>Chad Arch Dominus does war by other means, engages in diplomacy and nerdy hobby technobabbble as gifts.
>It is super effective
>Xana give summary sloppy seconds of data to virgin data smith
>Virgin Datasmith remains in his cope cage and goes away, coping his theories are wrong and irrelevant.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:sa4+ggh2 Thu 12 May 2022 09:30:10 No.5264151 Report

Quoted By: >>5264813

>>5263813
>No, that's how this all started in the first place. TalOS is here to fix it.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:RZ7inAdy Thu 12 May 2022 09:52:50 No.5264160 Report

Quoted By: >>5264813

>>5263813#
>No, that's how this all started in the first place. TalOS is here to fix it.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:q1AzODx7 Thu 12 May 2022 09:58:04 No.5264161 Report

Quoted By: >>5264813

>>5263813
>No, that's how this all started in the first place. TalOS is here to fix it.
Mars can continue their efforts. But nothing is gonna stop us from making Xana our personal fiefdom

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dlIWFprB Thu 12 May 2022 10:22:36 No.5264176 Report

Quoted By: >>5264182 >>5264813

>>5263813
>We are here to fix the problem, not make it worse. Data war comes later.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:0Rgp6iZ4 Thu 12 May 2022 10:34:53 No.5264182 Report

Quoted By: >>5264184

>>5264176
Voting for this.

Compliance on OUR terms.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 12 May 2022 10:37:41 No.5264184 Report

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>>5264182
Gotta greentext for votes to count! That's how QM tallies then easily

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:IlsQINFA Thu 12 May 2022 11:43:13 No.5264220 Report

Quoted By: >>5264813

>>5263813
>No, that's how this all started in the first place. TalOS is here to fix it.

Machine QM

Machine QM ID:SU44s9B0 Thu 12 May 2022 13:04:53 No.5264266 Report

Quoted By: >>5264269 >>5264319 >>5264325 >>5264329 >>5264348 >>5264453 >>5264613

Things are looking how I expected, but this post was to confirm that you guys are not being friends with Mars at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Thu 12 May 2022 13:09:23 No.5264269 Report

Quoted By: >>5264348

>>5264266
Not until they get of their High horse!
Or High Court in this case.

It also doesn't help they seem to be paranoid Know-It-All's with a superiority complex.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 12 May 2022 14:23:31 No.5264319 Report

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>>5264266
Talos is going on a long journey to essentially become the Machine Pope. The Fabricator General is not merely the leader of his planet, but a position whose influence is dependent upon the entire admech as a whole. If the majority of forge worlds want someone else as Fabricator General of the Admech, you aren't going to be Fabricator General for long.

Talos is going to use the vast resources of Lucius and start buying up the electoral votes, starting with Xana.

It is inevitable we will not make everyone our friend on our drive to be at the top, some will be enemies. But then, imagine it wasn't as if Kelbor-Hal didn't make enemies on his rise to the top either.

Son of Nanomachine

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 12 May 2022 14:27:55 No.5264324 Report

Quoted By: >>5264328 >>5264329

This is also pretty much the same path that Lorgar and Kor-Phaeron took on the route to become the Ecclesiarch of Colchis. Gather up all the surrounding territories and minor churches, and then being the path towards the top.

We may end up hating Lorgar one day, but the parallels on the path to becoming the leaders of our congregations will be palpable. Only, where Lorgar united cities, we are uniting forge worlds.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Thu 12 May 2022 14:30:23 No.5264325 Report

Quoted By: >>5264372

>>5264266
It's because they are acting like Rome and the Pope, and TalOS sees things as Patriachs with Pentarchy.
It's time for the Great Schism.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Thu 12 May 2022 14:32:31 No.5264328 Report

Quoted By:

>>5264324
It would be even better if it ends up like that, even if TaL0S himself never wanted it that way. It was just how things inevitably developed, the Irony would be so sweet Tzeentch would be proud.
I mean we already know he has his eye on us, quite literally now it seems.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:6FhbGcRV Thu 12 May 2022 14:33:29 No.5264329 Report

Quoted By: >>5264331 >>5264334

>>5264266
WE'RE MAKING THE MOTHER OF ALL OMELETTES HERE QM
CAN'T FRET OVER EVERY EGG

>>5264324
Does that mean we're also going to end up killing Kelbor-hal? Perhaps he might have a very "unfortunate accident"

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Thu 12 May 2022 14:35:24 No.5264331 Report

Quoted By: >>5264343

>>5264329
God no, he is a faithful, knowledgable and old Tech priest, that would be wasting valuable resources.

Machine QM

Machine QM ID:SU44s9B0 Thu 12 May 2022 14:36:18 No.5264334 Report

Quoted By: >>5264343

>>5264329
Depends on if you can meet and convince a certain brother.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:15ydB3xE Thu 12 May 2022 14:41:09 No.5264340 Report

Quoted By: >>5264613 >>5264813

>>5263813
>The Primarch will, on his own terms. Because Mars be fucked
Ah my post got swallowed. Right let's rewrite.
Polite request to xana IMHO is better approach, and not to completely antagonize the martians.
No need to go hackerman when you can just ask and barter like sane people.

They get some kind of data and can not bitch that we did not get it. We just did not do it how they would have done it.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 12 May 2022 14:43:23 No.5264343 Report

Quoted By: >>5264350

>>5264331
"he is a faithful, knowledgable and old Tech priest"
From what we are currently seeing of Mars, the evidence is not yet compelling.

Even if he is so, it is clear his position is not currently sufficient to prevent the rampant corruption and decay of Mars that we are clearly seeing at every interaction with them.

More data will need to be collected on Kelbor to ascertain his competency and determine the most efficient course of action. As in any machine, if a cog is faulty or there are inefficiencies, it must be corrected. The Machine God wills it.

>>5264334
Wondering if money and resources as well as the potential for a more effective Admech are enough to convince Horus. Since he's not yet corrupted by Erebor and likely what he wants is simply to propel his legion and the great crusade. Unless even before Chaos he had ulterior motives than to shine brightest in the eyes of the Emperor.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:15ydB3xE Thu 12 May 2022 14:44:21 No.5264348 Report

Quoted By:

>>5264269
>>5264266
They are from sol.
Have you ever met many people from a capital who are not mostly annoying to the vast majority of said country?

I

Machine QM

Machine QM ID:SU44s9B0 Thu 12 May 2022 14:47:46 No.5264350 Report

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>>5264343
Oh you're mistaken, but that would make sense for the Primarch I speak of.

Perturabo Appreciater

Perturabo Appreciater ID:2reef1J/ Thu 12 May 2022 14:51:28 No.5264355 Report

Quoted By: >>5264813

>>5263813
>No, that's how this all started in the first place. TalOS is here to fix it.

Fuck no! Hell no! Bitch, get the fuck out of here! There ain't no way in hell that helping Mars fuck over another Forge world is going to help anyone.

Son of Nanomachine

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 12 May 2022 15:01:21 No.5264372 Report

Quoted By: >>5264379 >>5264384

>>5264325
Partiarchs with a Pentarchy is good, and establishing it may please more forgeworlds. Roboute also did a Tetrarchy for Ultramar.
Now just add the fact that Talos is a family man and has a fondness for adoption, and you some interesting opportunities if we decided to go a certain route.

Talos seems perfectly willing to subvert the spirit of the Codex, who says he's not also willing to bend some other things to ensure his influence over the admech.

I can't say I fully agree with the anon who says Talos couldn't find politics fun. Maybe he hasn't tried it, but when he has a taste, it's like biting into a hot piece of corpsestarch for the first time. You get a good flavor once, and you learn to enjoy it and want more.

Then again, that would probably piss off Guilliman if we lean too far into the mustache twirling. There's a fine balance to achieve effective autocracy and encourage competency among subordinates. Perhaps in the end, the best thing to do is get his advice on the way to achieve harmony and control of the admech at large and coordinate with him. He helps us transform the Admech into something to resist a great schism, and we provide him with more resources than even Ultramar could ever dream of.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Thu 12 May 2022 15:08:07 No.5264379 Report

Quoted By: >>5264458

>>5264372
I mean their isn't a codex to subvert yet.

Although because we're admec instead of imperial Robert can't enforce the codex on us.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Thu 12 May 2022 15:11:26 No.5264384 Report

Quoted By:

>>5264372
I meant it in the sense that it tends to be a lot of hot air and posturing and not enough actual progress. I feel like TaL0S would prefer to optimise things rather than outright rule it, he is like the emperor in that sense.
If to assure the mechanicus works to its full or close to full potential he has to first rule it, then that is what he will do.

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Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Thu 12 May 2022 15:54:13 No.5264433 Report

Quoted By: >>5264453 >>5264455 >>5264813

>>5263813
>No, that's how this all started in the first place. TalOS is here to fix it.

The datasmith first gives TalOS a scant welcoming and now asks for his help? Just how much are they looking down on the Arch Dominus of Lucius!
Once we are on Xana II we should
>Counterhack Magos Margin for shit and giggles. Perform a hard reset and routine maintenance of the OS of the gravity generator of their ship
But we WON'T do that next update, riiiiight? wink wink nudge nudge

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Thu 12 May 2022 16:10:34 No.5264453 Report

Quoted By: >>5264472 >>5264502 >>5264567

>>5264433
>>5264266
Hmm... but this is weird. I indeed enjoy dabbing on Mars, specially because they are trying to bring Lucius and the rest to compliance and subjugation. But they are following their Doctrine by doing so, for Mars is the seat of their temple and every Forge world was colonized by a Mechanicum Ark after all.

I do enjoy how things are playing out, mainly because this is great characterization for TalOS to be so inclined to maintain his authority, up to a fault. He is subordinate of Lucius High court but because he LOVES LUCIUS and the relations with other planets such as Dutonis and that hive world have been purely gentle subjugation. We are yet to invade a planet we don't have to EXTERMINATUS

So of course we will enjoy Lucius clashing with Mars and us being a relevant character in the middle of it all, but are we taking it to far? It feels as if TalOS has no love for Mars and that worries me, for the implications but also because it might break the character a little...

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Thu 12 May 2022 16:11:32 No.5264455 Report

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>>5264433
Only if we deploy one of the ancient data djinn of Terra
https://youtube.com/watch?v=hiRacdl02w4

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Thu 12 May 2022 16:15:38 No.5264458 Report

Quoted By:

>>5264379
>we survive the heresy
>Robert does his Codex
>The Destroyer second legion has 380.094 active brothers and gets aspirants from every forge world there is.

Machine QM

Machine QM ID:SU44s9B0 Thu 12 May 2022 16:35:52 No.5264472 Report

Quoted By: >>5264477

>>5264453
I'll admit, same. Things will get weird once we start visting more local Forge Worlds.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ZwyROSk6 Thu 12 May 2022 16:39:23 No.5264475 Report

Quoted By: >>5264813

>>5263813
>>5263988
>support

Machine QM

Machine QM ID:SU44s9B0 Thu 12 May 2022 16:39:42 No.5264477 Report

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>>5264472
Meant loyal. Loyal forge worlds.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:FyfywjRd Thu 12 May 2022 17:08:38 No.5264502 Report

Quoted By: >>5264559

>>5264453
Ever hear of Martin Luther? I mean religions undergo schisms over disagreements about basic doctrine from time to time even if they agree with the practices, rituals and beliefs as a whole. Maybe not something that happens often in 40k but our world has quite a few examples. I'm just interested in the bigger implications here, were a lynchpin that can change big parts of this whole setting potentially

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 12 May 2022 18:24:29 No.5264559 Report

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>>5264502
Triggering the schism early could root out some of them and make the big schism less bad.
Or worse.

Kelbor Hall saw the signs of the impending split, I hope Talos will IC see it and talk to Roboute on how to mitigate it. Maybe not even a Primarch can stop it, or predict when it will happen, but at least to prepare against it.

Horus was simply the spark, but the gas was building up there even without him.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 12 May 2022 18:29:20 No.5264567 Report

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>>5264453
At the end of the day I think it's simpler than that.

Talos might be ready to confess he's also seeking power and control. Sure he believes said power and control is for the greater good of the Mechanicum and the Machine Gods will, but little separates him from Kelbor other than he is a primarch. . .and better than him. . .and later on, not a heretic.

But even Guilliman was like that too, he understood that power is best kept in the hands of those who can wield it properly and for the greater good. He did take a bit of a backstep after the heresy, he was in shock. But come 40k he realized that ultimately was a mistake he had it right the first time.

Talos is only opposed to Mars imo, because Mars is going to resist his climb to the top. Once we are at the top of the heirarchy, our methods might not necessarily be so different.

I do wonder on the nature of Kelbor, was he truly an ambitious schemer from the beginning out for his own ambition or at one point did he truly believe he was doing service to the Machine God. We are both going to agree the Emperor is not the Omnissiah, but unlike Kelbor Talos might not feel that rebellion and civil war is the way to solve the dilemma.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dlIWFprB Thu 12 May 2022 19:18:54 No.5264613 Report

Quoted By: >>5264626

>>5264340
Mate, that means that we say fuck mars and engage in info wars ourself.

It's the most alienating option of both.

>>5264266
It's not that we are no friend of mars. It's that Mars is being retarded and we aren't going to be friends with retards.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 12 May 2022 19:35:29 No.5264626 Report

Quoted By: >>5264635

>>5264613
It means we'll have to corral them ourselves

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dlIWFprB Thu 12 May 2022 19:48:07 No.5264635 Report

Quoted By: >>5264656

>>5264626
Honestly, If Mars ever accuses us of sedition or unwarranted hostility, we can open a book and lay out every slight or grievance that pushed us to our current course.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 12 May 2022 20:15:17 No.5264656 Report

Quoted By: >>5264732 >>5264755

>>5264635
Talos 95 thesis?

Hmm, nah. I'd rather we avoid Luther motifs because Luther split the church, not united it.

I think what will ideally happen is if any of the native martians accuse us of sedition/hostility, eventually we will just have so many other voices from the various forge worlds Mars is at risk of cutting itself off from the Admech at large and losing everything, so they'll eventually concede.

What is Rome and the Papacy, without the rest of the Church? Just a glorified exile camp.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:3s4MOzLz Thu 12 May 2022 20:50:55 No.5264690 Report

Quoted By: >>5264813

>>5263813
>No, that's how this all started in the first place. TalOS is here to fix it.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dlIWFprB Thu 12 May 2022 21:38:08 No.5264732 Report

Quoted By: >>5264743 >>5264772

>>5264656
Not a Lutherian doctrine, just a catalog of Mars demonstrating their lack of attention and care for their vassal worlds.

Give them a long list of issues and force them to justify each and every single one. Then make them justify their position of innocence.
If they can do that to our satisfaction, great.
If not, we have a shield against their just cause for offence.

It isn't a tool of political divide, it is a tool of political defence.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Thu 12 May 2022 21:44:38 No.5264743 Report

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>>5264732
Oh i like this and i bet big E is gonna get a weird kick out of the fact that history repeats itself.

Machine QM

Machine QM ID:SU44s9B0 Thu 12 May 2022 21:50:57 No.5264755 Report

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>>5264656
I don't think you all want to be Luther for there might be Protestant Tech Priests. Better to be an Anti-Pope.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Thu 12 May 2022 21:54:33 No.5264757 Report

Quoted By: >>5264758 >>5264765 >>5264772

I'm still going to shill the orthodox approach. Merely first among many and all that.

Machine QM

Machine QM ID:SU44s9B0 Thu 12 May 2022 21:55:51 No.5264758 Report

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>>5264757
Its probably the best and kinda how it was set up during 40k. 30k Mars was top dog and had much more pull.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dlIWFprB Thu 12 May 2022 21:59:44 No.5264765 Report

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>>5264757
Voice of the masses is certainly a useful position.
It's also a demanding one.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 12 May 2022 22:07:30 No.5264772 Report

Quoted By: >>5264781

>>5264732
We can definitely do that.
But it should be the frosting on the cake of lining the pockets of all the Admech electors of the Fabricator General Electors of the Holy See of Mars.

>>5264757
i'm cool with the Orthodox approach as long as we can still include Borgia memes. Talos could strive to be the best binharic orator in the world, but money is what makes the galaxy go round.

I mean, we can be the Byzantine/Constantinople Patriarch at its height right?

We can be both legitimately a good candidate for Fabricator General with the means to improve the whole structure. . .AND one that readily uses vast resources of Lucius to ensure a secure election. for a safe and secure society.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:q1AzODx7 Thu 12 May 2022 22:16:13 No.5264781 Report

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>>5264772
Talos is the type to hedge his bets and account for all probabilities. Of course he wouldnt just rely solely on his own charismatic skill great as it is. Bribes, promises, concessions...all valid cards to be played. We did give the princes entire planets for STCs.

Even the gears of the Machine Gods church require a greasing from time to time. Efficiency is the greatest of virtues and supercedes other concerns.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:x+hl93ja Thu 12 May 2022 22:25:00 No.5264790 Report

Quoted By: >>5264796

>>5263813
>No, that's how this all started in the first place. TalOS is here to fix it.

>Aka fuck mars.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:NgcUUteM Thu 12 May 2022 22:30:49 No.5264796 Report

Quoted By: >>5264813

>>5264790
>>The Primarch will, on his own terms. Because Mars be fucked

Isn't this one the fuck mars option?

>The Primarch will, on his own terms. Because Mars be fucked

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:x+hl93ja Thu 12 May 2022 22:36:05 No.5264807 Report

Quoted By: >>5264813

>>5263813
>The Primarch will, on his own terms. Because Mars be fucked

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Thu 12 May 2022 22:41:01 No.5264813 Report

Quoted By: >>5264847 >>5264867

No, not at all
>>5263824
>>5263830
>>5263835
>>5263869
>>5263874
>>5263988
>>5264475
>>5264151
>>5264160
>>5264161
>>5264176
>>5264220
>>5264355
>>5264433 - Spicy
>>5264690

Hack them, independently
>>5263832
>>5264340
>>5264796
>>5264807

Gotta be honest, thats a lot of people.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JpLQL1bS Thu 12 May 2022 23:07:03 No.5264847 Report

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>>5264813
Your a good writer for this setting and you take us into account as much as you can, that gets engagement up. There's always more lurkers than posters, but sometimes you can draw them out.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dlIWFprB Thu 12 May 2022 23:17:43 No.5264867 Report

Quoted By: >>5264894

>>5264813
it occurs to me I probably should have done a write in to explain to the other magos that this course of action is stupidly detrimental to diplomatic efforts.

Oh well. Fuck you Mars. Stop being retards.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Thu 12 May 2022 23:37:45 No.5264894 Report

Quoted By: >>5264906 >>5264919

>>5264867
people keep saying we are anti-mars and that's just not true... we are anti-retarded

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 12 May 2022 23:46:09 No.5264906 Report

Quoted By: >>5264919

>>5264894
We're also anti-people-who-get-in-our-way.

If we were Fabricator General of Mars right now, and Xana was playing dense to us, cracking their defenses is, if it were the most efficient option, something we would have done months ago.

Might or might not be the very first option we pick, but an option that if chosen we would do in a mechanical heartbeat. Which is more efficient than a regular heartbeat.

The Machine QM

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Thu 12 May 2022 23:47:42 No.5264908 Report

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+I will not. I do not plan to worsen the situation any more than you have.+ TalOS declared as he turned about, +If that is all you have then I will be going to the planet.+

TalOS could feel the grins that were hidden behind the mechanical faces of his cohort. They were all waiting for a moment like this and they had witnessed it. As for TalOS himself he was able to make it ten steps towards the doors of the bridge before a declaration was made.

+/Recalibrating/.+ The Tech Priest announced in a voice so loud that it caught the attention of TalOS’s group, +/Synopsis Made/ You are not here to assist?+

+That is correct.+ TalOS declared as he turned about and faced the Priest, +I had gotten word that negotiations with Xana and Mars were vulgar so I came to see for myself. You have only proved my hypothesis.+

The sounds of data being transferred roared in the room as the Tech Priest gathered all he could, +Your records state that you did not come from Mars but ‘Lucius’. Datepathy declares that I would have heard from you if you traveled from Mars to Lucius to Xana with the effects of interference. You are not here on the authority of Mars. You have not even stepped upon the blessed red soil!+

+I am here on the authority of the Fabricator General of Lucius. Mars cannot prevent us from traveling to visit fellow Forge Worlds.+ TalOS told the Priest outright as the Acillians began to grow agitated.

+You… you seek to subvert my authority! I was given this task by the Fabricator General of Mars! Even if you are a Child of the Omnissiah you must understand that you are subverting a greater authority.+

TalOS turned towards the Magos so that the Priest would see every word that TalOS spoke, +You do not have authority over the military matters of Lucius and a Fabricator General. If you attempt to restrain us from entering Xana II’s sphere with force… I am the Primarch of the Second Legion. You will not have the support of your Fabricator General.+

+You.+ TalOS could hear the systems in the Magos screeching, +You wish to speak to these Hereteks!?+

+Yes, for you have not.+ TalOS said before turning about and walking through the door.

The Magos did not do anything as TalOS left. TalOS was sure he was running the chances of war within his head. When TalOS spoke the name of his Legion he was pretty sure the Priest would already realize how futile it would be to fight him on this. TalOS also recognized that this essentially cemented the relationship between Mars and Lucius as a rocky one.

The Machine QM

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Thu 12 May 2022 23:48:45 No.5264910 Report

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The world of Xana was a desolate planet, TalOS realized. The surface truly was burnt by the punishing radiations that pelted it continuously. TalOS could feel it upon his own skin but data from his Acillians told the Primarch it was much worse for them.

Add that with the numerous readings he was getting from the cruiser that approached and TalOS realized that it was a psychic phenomena too. Whatever was upon this planet cursed it to a state of death and decay the likes of which TalOS had yet to see.

It was not any better as the shuttle’s doors opened and TalOS was presented with his welcoming party. What he looked upon was not the gene-bred offspring of some insane genetor or the old limbs of mostly mechanical people but instead decay.

The procession that came to welcome the Primarch had robes that looked to have been noth days and centuries old. Black cloaks that somehow looked burnt the more TalOS looked upon them. The few pieces of flesh these Priests looked to have been closer to a rotting corpse than anything even the Artisans and Magi of Lucius would have allowed for their own corpus. The metal, which should have shined with fleshly polished oil, was instead darkened to a near blackened steel like no light has touched it.

TalOS only had to look at his fellows who were clothed in the Beige and Steel of Lucius. How their more muted colors and prime mechanrites looked like so colorful compared to the Priests that stood before him. TalOS wondered for a moment if these people truly could support Lucius, for it looked like they could barely support themselves.

TalOS wondered a moment after about the psychic energies that continued to batter this world. He could only remember the screams and terror that such a place held. It was a bane upon the universe and even the servants of the Machine God were not spared its wrath.

Only TalOS, who bore the Blackstone Amulet, was protected.

+Welcome, Arch Dominus TalOS of Lucius, to the Sovereign Forge Domain of Xana. I am High Magos Mortear of the Magi and will be your guide to the Fabricator Lord.+

+Lead.+ TalOS told the servant of the Machine God with a firmness in his voice, +I will want to speak to him as soon as I am able.+

+Understood.+ The High Magos said though to TalOS it sounded like a dead dronning. It wasn’t that he wasn’t alive but that whatever soul was within the man was surely damaged by the bombardment.

The Machine QM

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Thu 12 May 2022 23:50:17 No.5264914 Report

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The planet’s surface was lit by what TalOS could only describe to be a blackened star. The light was not that like the heart of Lucius or its sun in which both presented the planet with warmth. This one only provided planet damnation of the greatest kind.

Looking around the quality of Tech Priests was not even comparable to that of the people. TalOS watched as the workers who farmed the forges all had hunched backs while the Servitors all had their flesh barely hanging on by a thread.

The landscape was barely any better for TalOS could easily describe the planet as twisted and mutated. Grand works of Machinery and building were all over the place half finished like the creator of them died in the middle of its creation. There were even the corpses of fleshly slain mutants on the ground, all being cleaned up by the tired out Skitarii that had taken them all out.

+We have arrived.+ The Priest said as they entered one of the smaller buildings in the land.

It was not any better than the outside. Crooked works of masonry and it lacked the grand stands that were present upon the highest court of Lucius. In the room were five chairs all where all but one was occupied. It was soon filled as the one who guided TalOS assumed his position among them.

A Court. That was what TalOS realized they were. But if he was honest they looked to be anything but a court.

+Arch Dominus… TalOS… of Lucius.+ The center figure declared as his dimmed mechanical eyes looked upon TalOS, +I, Fabricator Lord Wilmar… welcome you to our system. I… did not… expect your kind to ever grace our soil.+

TalOS pondered to himself for a moment before asking, +Is there a problem with a fellow Forge World landing upon this planet?+

+You… are one who bent the knee… to Mars.+ The Fabricator General declared, +We know… you visited their vessel before… us.+

+I have out of respect for my Overlord.+ TalOS informed them as he gave a small smile, +I did disobey his command coming here though. I will not apologize for these slights in recent times for I am not a part of them today. I am of Lucius, just as you said.+

The Fabricator Lord seemed to take in a heavy breath, +Then you… are Lucius.. today.+

+Thank you for understanding the neuance.+ TalOS told Wilmar as he gave a courteous bow.

>Present a gift from Lucius, a personal Project of TalOS.
>Talk about the pains of dealing with Mars to raise that companionship.
>Right to the point, what's a heretical secret they are trying to hide. TalOS could possibly get them Clemency.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Thu 12 May 2022 23:52:54 No.5264918 Report

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>>5264914
Btw, write in are very much welcome here. I've racked my brain for these and I think you guys can generate far better.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:6FhbGcRV Thu 12 May 2022 23:54:25 No.5264919 Report

Quoted By: >>5264928

>>5264906
>>5264894
Mars is still the Holy Planet, the Cradle of our Faith, the Mother of the Mechanicum.

But it is infested with parasites and malicious users right now and badly needs Talos to get in there and start cleanup.exe. With Administrator privileges.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Thu 12 May 2022 23:56:51 No.5264921 Report

Quoted By: >>5264923 >>5265181 >>5265412 >>5265654

>>5264914
>Present a gift from Lucius, a personal Project of TalOS.

> tell them we have detected a psychic phenomena on the planet that causes death and decay. offer them blank tech to nullify or suppress it.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Thu 12 May 2022 23:57:52 No.5264923 Report

Quoted By: >>5264928 >>5265181 >>5265412

>>5264921
> also offer them F.A.G

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 12 May 2022 23:57:58 No.5264924 Report

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"+You.+ TalOS could hear the systems in the Magos screeching, +You wish to speak to these Hereteks!?+"
"+Yes, for you have not.+ "

This should be a quote in a book about Talos at somepoint.

"For he did not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dlIWFprB Thu 12 May 2022 23:58:42 No.5264925 Report

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>>5264914
>Offer an observation on their planet, that the warp is harming them terribly.
>Then offer a gift of null tech.

Establish ourselves as worldly and acute. The gift then, is our offering to alleviate the issues the priests are suffering.

From there, we can go down to buissness.
I'd suggest starting off with something like
>Mars, though it is my overlord, has made many claims of its authority that force me to raise questions. Though anscestoral claims are true, and it Is the progenitor of many of us, they have done little to earn the respect the expect.
Or something like that. Build on the basis that they arent living up to their duties as rulers.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dlIWFprB Fri 13 May 2022 00:01:28 No.5264928 Report

Quoted By: >>5264972

>>5264923
Fag can wait until they have recognised us.

>>5264919
But this quite encompasses our feelings. Mars is the holy planet, but the current government isnt living up to its obligations.
They are in a word. Retarded.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 13 May 2022 00:12:05 No.5264933 Report

Quoted By: >>5264936 >>5264979

This is a very delicate matter and one of the more interesting choices, I do believe it warrants at least some of us coming together with an appropriate plan.

First and foremost we should conjecture what it is Xana wants, and what we can deduce.

It looks bleak and desolate, dreary and dying. . .however we musn't forget that Xana was also rich. Stupendously so, maybe not like Lucius but enough to challenge Mars. It may be that this austere decoration is by their design or intent. Still, if it is not, maybe offferings of resources could be of us.

Most of all, we also know they do not want Mars to pry at them. They want their secrets. Talos wants to know their secret too, but we said we were going to do it in a better way than brute forcing them. So what should that better way be? Obviously providing them some incentive but what precisely would the mysterious Magi of Xana want most of all? If Mars is the stick and Lucius is to be the carrot, what should that carrot be?

I think part of it should be to offer to keep Xana's secret a secret, even from Mars. Perhaps even to help negotiate a deal where they don't have to reveal themsevles to Mars and get Mars to back off by citing them as compliant to Lucius, and therefore, a matter between Mars and Lucius. We might be overstepping a little bit with Lucius Fabricator General here, but hey, Lucius is so rich and with now two forge worlds Mars will surely have an even harder time trying ot assert its right to Xanas secret.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dlIWFprB Fri 13 May 2022 00:18:33 No.5264936 Report

Quoted By: >>5264938

>>5264933
Keeping it a secret from mars is not an option in the capacity of "no".

But we can fabricate a lie to then pass with our law and character.
I still say keep the offer of null tech as a gift.
Spreading this gift benefits us anyway

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 13 May 2022 00:19:32 No.5264938 Report

Quoted By: >>5264941

>>5264936
So essentially have a Primarch scrub their systems of anything that could lead to the secret?

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 13 May 2022 00:21:56 No.5264939 Report

Quoted By: >>5264950 >>5265057 >>5265531 >>5265726

>>5264914
>Mars has been the stick. Now Lucius can be the carrot
>In addition to giving a gift of our project, tell Fabricator General we personally want to invest in a planet that can keep secrets from Mars, we want Xana to be that planet. Not even Stygies will do. It's something we would only trust Xana.
>Supplant Horus before he can go in and try to push for the autonomy deal himself, but do it under our terms and try to gain the favor of Xana through incentives
(Extrapolation incoming ; if QM wants to fold this into the “heretical secrets” choice so be it, but I’ll elaborate just in case)

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dlIWFprB Fri 13 May 2022 00:23:41 No.5264941 Report

Quoted By: >>5264948

>>5264938
No, never.
Back up the secret, then scrub the trail to the secret. We MUST know what we are covering up, because heresy isnt permissible and likewise, the mechanicum never forgets.

But if it isnt that bad, then we can help them devise a lie and help them sell it. Aka "we went in and got these files, because we asked nicely"

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 13 May 2022 00:29:55 No.5264948 Report

Quoted By: >>5264953 >>5264954

>>5264941
I mean, you'll defiantly learn it in the process. Question is how do you guys get their trust?

Son of Nanomachine

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 13 May 2022 00:30:39 No.5264950 Report

Quoted By: >>5264953 >>5264954 >>5265057 >>5265654

>>5264939
#1 We predict that with Xana's military assets, they will successfully hold off Mars. The Imperium can ill afford to wage a civil war on this scale, and soon there will likely be a threat that will achieve thei autonomy they seek.
#2 They may ask then, why not just wait it out. That's what we're here for. To help them get an even better deal, sooner, with the voice of not just another forge world but a Primarch. We offer to help them achieve even more favorable terms and faster
#3 If they submit themselves to Us/Lucius, we will be able to help keep their secrets. This can come either in the form of saying that by submitting to Lucius Xana has achieved compliance, and letting Lucian diplomats handle it from there (and with two forge worlds sticking together Mars will be even more hard pressed to argue) OR by Talos specifically confuscating/scrubbing the data to prevent Mars from obtaining anything they want. This we can offer, because we know we are better than the datasmith in orbit
#4 We also offer ourselves a gift that we intend to practice on Xana, our latest Anti-Warp protection thingamajig (this will be delicate. We can't know if they are already too deep into the warp or perhaps can be pulled back from the brink).

#5 However, trust for trust. If we're going to help them keep that secret, they should let us know what it is. We are here to help them. Mars would just demand it and judge them for it, but we are asking it without condoning or condemning. Simply to know so we can be of aid to Xana. Furthermore, we intend to let them help us on our secret projects.
#6 Xana is mighty and rich, but perhaps there are still things they could desire from Lucius? This is a desolate system, with few other habitable stars. We have many, many hive worlds which could provide people IF they are willing to also agree to let us make the standards of living here kinda better man. . .

Trust cuts both ways, as does keeping secrets. Let us see if we can achieve trust between Xana and Lucius.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dlIWFprB Fri 13 May 2022 00:32:50 No.5264953 Report

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>>5264948
Offer of aid, a gift of null tech and an understanding of how we intend to conduct buissnes.

>>5264950
Yeah, trust is a two way street.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 13 May 2022 00:33:56 No.5264954 Report

Quoted By: >>5264957

>>5264948
Would appreciate some feedback on this >>5264950 if there's anything Talos might immediately realize as wrong/deny the action. Or maybe Talos has some insight.

I believe Xana will win the data war with or without us. But we can offer to help them win even more, and have the aid of a friendly forge world not a judgmental one. The will of Mars is one of demanded compliance. That is Mars way. We are the way of a Federation united.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 13 May 2022 00:36:10 No.5264957 Report

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>>5264954
It could work, I do what to see others.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 13 May 2022 00:46:45 No.5264968 Report

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I see them accepting or rejecting the null tech as what makes or breaks relations with Xana.
The worst thing that could be is if the Fabricator General is using a psychic Halo-Device to obtain immortality, which would be anathema to nulltech. We can try to promise him a way to achieve immortality besides heretical alien tech, or a cure (because those things cause some really gnarly hungers and thirsts), but it might not work and his mind is already corrupted.

So I really, really, really, really, really, hope they aren't doing that. That they are just secretive because of something else like proscribed time travel technology or captive hrud.

Worse comes to worse we may end up go back up to the Maritan and say "yeah I succesfully scouted out the planet to make sure when you breach the defenses they wouldn't try to hide this very heretical thing." But man, that would suck ass.

I hope whatever Xana is doing, it's not beyond redemption or purification to the ways of null.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Fri 13 May 2022 00:53:41 No.5264972 Report

Quoted By: >>5264974

>>5264928
maybe we can give them the first chapter of F.A.G as a sort of incentive/trial.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dlIWFprB Fri 13 May 2022 00:55:11 No.5264974 Report

Quoted By: >>5264984

>>5264972
No. Stop trying to make other priests accept the Fag.

It is a welcome gift AFTER diplomatic ties have been formed.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Fri 13 May 2022 00:55:46 No.5264975 Report

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>>5264914
>Present a gift from Lucius, a personal Project of TalOS.
The good envoy will always deliver a gift to the host.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:x+hl93ja Fri 13 May 2022 00:57:31 No.5264977 Report

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>>5264914
>Present a gift from Lucius, a personal Project of TalOS.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Fri 13 May 2022 00:57:54 No.5264979 Report

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>>5264933
>It looks bleak and desolate, dreary and dying. . .however we musn't forget that Xana was also rich. Stupendously so, maybe not like Lucius but enough to challenge Mars. It may be that this austere decoration is by their design or intent. Still, if it is not, maybe offferings of resources could be of us.

This bit is important, as Xana has canonically exhausted it's local resources and is dependent on externally supplied resources to maintain productivity. By integrating them into our supply chain we can increase their throughput and thus their manufacturing capacity, even without implementing the procedural reforms we pushed though on Lucius.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:q1AzODx7 Fri 13 May 2022 01:01:51 No.5264982 Report

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I too hope Xana isn't doing anything beyond redemption. As players we know we cant stop the entire civil war, but if Talos can redeem just one planet from heresy and let their story end in loyalty, that would be worth it. What kind of prophet would he be otherwise?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Fri 13 May 2022 01:02:57 No.5264984 Report

Quoted By: >>5265006

>>5264974
okay but why though? it was created to boost productivity of forge worlds not sharing it is a sin. beside have you never heard of a free trail.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Fri 13 May 2022 01:08:00 No.5264989 Report

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>>5264914
>>Present a gift from Lucius, a personal Project of TalOS.

Null-tech and raw materials, cleanse the taint and help them rebuild better. (while building rapport and loyalty)

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Fri 13 May 2022 01:28:45 No.5265003 Report

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>>5264914
>Present a gift from Lucius, a personal Project of TalOS.
THE NULL TECH

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Fri 13 May 2022 01:33:41 No.5265006 Report

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>>5264984
Because we don't yet know if the conditions are right to implement our system here and as a result we can't trust that our methodology wouldn't either fail here or be turned against us, especially until the warp-gloom that turned this planet into such a Dickensian shithole has been firmly dealt with.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:q1AzODx7 Fri 13 May 2022 02:46:42 No.5265057 Report

Quoted By: >>5265667

>>5264939
>>5264950
>support
I like this plan, though I think it falls under the gift giving option. If we're going to help them keep their secret, there isnt a need to offer clemency.

Maybe something we can say to convince the Xanatites is that while they can wait, they of all people should know the preciousness of time. They dont have to be alone in the galaxy or without allies.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:0Rgp6iZ4 Fri 13 May 2022 02:49:30 No.5265059 Report

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How should we present our gift?

Send the black stone fortress here to counter the warp gloom and build pockets free of its influence?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JpLQL1bS Fri 13 May 2022 04:42:39 No.5265145 Report

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>>5264914
>Present a gift from Lucius, a personal Project of TalOS
Null tech. Maybe this will inspire them to join us in this new area as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TL/saIlR Fri 13 May 2022 05:27:07 No.5265181 Report

Quoted By:

>>5264921
>>5264923
>support

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:u5hf0Cnz Fri 13 May 2022 08:59:38 No.5265412 Report

Quoted By:

>>5264921
>>5264923
>Supporting

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n4eOc/ys Fri 13 May 2022 10:05:41 No.5265531 Report

Quoted By:

>>5264939
>+1 support

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:6FhbGcRV Fri 13 May 2022 13:37:10 No.5265654 Report

Quoted By: >>5265667

>>5264921
>>5264950
>Supporting
I consider these write-ins mutually inclusive. We're giving a gift of null tech and making a very generous offer.

When Horus approached Xana, he offered them power, a chance to flourish rather than be bled dry, freedom of experimentation and freedom from the clutches of Martian dogma. That can be exactly the same sort of deal Talos offers to Xana if they come under our command.

Except we will try to bend Xana away from warp tech and towards anti-warp tech.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 13 May 2022 13:54:08 No.5265667 Report

Quoted By: >>5265700

>>5265057
>>5265654
I guess it does fit better falling under the gift giving option yeah. Offering clemency would mean submission to Mars, where as we're offering them a way to not have to submit to mars by submitting to us. Nor are we outright accusing them of heresy. And we can be much more generous and offer them more than Mars ever would be willing to.

Mars only takes. Lucius gives!

Perturabo Appreciater

Perturabo Appreciater ID:g1rGs+J3 Fri 13 May 2022 14:08:01 No.5265682 Report

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>>5264914
>Present a gift from Lucius, a personal Project of TalOS.
>write-in: A Null-tech device that protects persons (1-100) from the dangers of Aethyric radiation.

These fellows of ours NEED HELP. They are being bombarded by the foulness of the warp, yet stille they continue on. We must do all that we can to rectify this unjust situation, for no one that stubborn and resilient should ever suffer the malign touch and ignoble death that Aethyric radiations brings.

Machine QM

Machine QM ID:2GSaxA8R Fri 13 May 2022 14:15:24 No.5265700 Report

Quoted By: >>5265716

>>5265667
Well, forgiveness is something that can still be given. It is something that Lucius/TalOS gives instead of Mars. It's like talking to a Priest, the Priest normally gives absolution while hiding the crime from the rest of the convent. TalOS gives it and cleanses their systems of the crime so that none shall know.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 13 May 2022 14:31:02 No.5265716 Report

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>>5265700
Is Talos a good judge of character to know if they want forgiveness and absolution vs material power?

It does occur to me we have yet to discuss or try the religion angle instead of the power angle. Maybe this is a good opportunity for Talos to try?

But the thing is we don't even know if they have commited a crime or not.

Son of Nanomachine

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 13 May 2022 14:36:15 No.5265726 Report

Quoted By: >>5265734 >>5265741 >>5265793 >>5265797 >>5265807 >>5265824

>>5264939
>ADDENDUM
Shall we throw in some religious aspect guys?

Maybe appeal to them not merely form a temporal standpoint, but one of our genuine belief in the Machine God. Everyone needs to confess their machine sins. Even the Fabricator General himself.

We could offer this fabricator general a chance to confess and obtain absolution by another priest, and swear to him the oath of the protocol of secrecy. Forgiveness without judgement, repentance without reprimand.

Maybe we should look past the darkness, and into the light of the Fabricator Generals soul. That could be the spark that ultimately turns this planet away from the path of heresy.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:6FhbGcRV Fri 13 May 2022 14:41:42 No.5265734 Report

Quoted By: >>5265738 >>5265825

>>5265726
Would QM allow that to be added on or would he want us to pick between faith or power?

It does seem fitting for Talos as a true prophet to win Xana over by faith where even the holy planet of Mars failed and gave only suspicion. It'd also give us points against Mars to show how where Mars should have been the one to offer spiritual absolution, they failed and would have made an enemy instead.

Machine QM

Machine QM ID:2GSaxA8R Fri 13 May 2022 14:43:42 No.5265738 Report

Quoted By: >>5265741

>>5265734
We can do both. To the Mechanicus faith and power are very similar. Why do think the Avatars are Titans?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:6FhbGcRV Fri 13 May 2022 14:47:23 No.5265741 Report

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>>5265738
In that case
>>5265726
>Support
I support the addendum of Talos applying faith and forgiveness to Xana

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:q1AzODx7 Fri 13 May 2022 15:23:44 No.5265793 Report

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>>5265726
>support
It would be wrong not to use faith to appeal to them. Offering a confessional might better done in private after the high court meeting.

4chan seems to have swallowed up my old post in case this duplicates

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dlIWFprB Fri 13 May 2022 15:27:33 No.5265797 Report

Quoted By: >>5265807

>>5265726
Sure, I'm willing to
>Support
an appeal to faith, but depending on how personal/institutional that is, it may be better to do individually.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n4eOc/ys Fri 13 May 2022 15:44:03 No.5265807 Report

Quoted By:

>>5265726
>+1 support addition
What sort of tech-priest would we be if we could not offer the machine gods light to even the darkest corner of the galaxy?
>>5265797
Agreed. Maybe Talos has the force of personality and primarch aura to make a public offer look good, but if he's wise and knows it will be better to do so in private so be it.

Perturabo Appreciater

Perturabo Appreciater ID:g1rGs+J3 Fri 13 May 2022 15:53:48 No.5265824 Report

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>>5265726
>support

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Fri 13 May 2022 15:56:17 No.5265825 Report

Quoted By: >>5265835

>>5265734
the more faithful you are the larger guns you have to wield for battle!!!

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 13 May 2022 16:00:23 No.5265835 Report

Quoted By: >>5265841

>>5265825
A great Dominus of ancient Terra once said, "The Machine God fights on the side with the best artillery".

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Fri 13 May 2022 16:03:10 No.5265841 Report

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>>5265835
YES BROTHER
NO PRISONERS
FOR THE MACHINE GOD. DEUS MECHANICUM!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Lg9xi6Dc Fri 13 May 2022 21:16:30 No.5266229 Report

Quoted By: >>5266242

Wonder if we're missing anything, anything obvious or something that we'll say "why didn't we think of that"

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 13 May 2022 21:23:15 No.5266242 Report

Quoted By: >>5266254 >>5266256

>>5266229
I keep thinking that as well and scratching my head. Is there some hook or thread that's right in front of us and we aren't grabbing.

Machine QM

Machine QM ID:2GSaxA8R Fri 13 May 2022 21:31:41 No.5266254 Report

Quoted By: >>5266365

>>5266242
I don't think there's anything besides you guys literally picking them before anyone else. I'm not trying to be sneaky about things unless it's stuff you guys cannot know what's happening.

Perturabo Appreciater

Perturabo Appreciater ID:g1rGs+J3 Fri 13 May 2022 21:34:10 No.5266256 Report

Quoted By: >>5266262

>>5266242
Well, they have a mutant problem going on that might indicate they have a big problem with a mutagenic source. Be that radiation, genetic abnormalities or something fouler, there is something on Xana that is turning the people into mutants.

So, you know, that might be something we could help with, since we are a genetor.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 13 May 2022 21:39:18 No.5266262 Report

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>>5266256
True, one of the many, many things our mind can help offer to them. Part of the general, "Join me and I will open the floodgates of aid to Xana".

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Fri 13 May 2022 22:51:45 No.5266365 Report

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>>5266254
>it's stuff you guys cannot know what's happening.
Oh yeah, then why do I don't know when is UZ1's period????????????????????????

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 13 May 2022 23:04:47 No.5266388 Report

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+As I arrived upon this ship our Machine Spirits detected a disheartening amount of Eatheric Radiation attacking your world.+ TalOS began as he produced a small rod from his robes, +That is the reason I wanted to give you this technology first and foremost. It is disheartening to see a fellow Forge World suffer from what Lucius has began to defeat.+

The ocullars of the Magi around TalOS narrowed as they heard such an explanation. There was a subtle spark of light that went from the Fabricator Lord to a nearby Skitarii. As TalOS would guess, the sickly soldier came forward and took from him the item to bring it to the Council.

+The crystal upon the device is something that originated from Lucius’s wars. I have engineered it to be anathema to the presence of the Warp. Activate it and you will feel that I speak truth.+

The Fabricator Lord did not say a thing but instead sent another command to the Skitarii that was holding the item. The Soldier activated the device and suddenly began to stand straighter. TalOS began to hear the movement of information throughout the place and realized it was the hardline communication that the Council shared between one another. The Primarch could get a sense, from that, how impressed they were.

+You grant us this… in return for what…?+ The Fabricator Lord asked as his vox caster seemingly gained more life.

+It is a gift from Lucius. We can organize several thousands to be shipped here, but we cannot give you all the secrets to their creation unless there is trust.+ TalOS declared as he placed a hand over his heart, +Some of our designs are sensitive, you understand.+

+Such things… are… understandable.+ The Fabricator Lord declared as he gave a solemn nod, +You wish… to become allies?+

+Maybe even more than that.+ TalOS declared as he made a wave of his hand, +I will admit at this time Lucius is at war. We are fighting the Mitu Collective for dominance in our sector. While I for sure have the support of my Legion I do not think it is enough. But I know that the era of War is only just that, a finite time. After this era we will have peace and from what I learned this Forge World does indeed have potential. You have feigned Mars off for this long after all.+

+You wish… for us to… join you under Mars… or become vassals to you?+ The Lord Fabricator announced as he gave a solemn sigh, +We… cannot do such a thing. We… have seen… too much.+

Those final words spoken somehow struck a chord with TalOS. It was a cord that allowed him to realize something was there that they shared.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 13 May 2022 23:06:12 No.5266393 Report

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+You fear that what you have seen will bring destruction upon yourselves?+ TalOS asked the group before him, +Horrors that would bring damnation upon all who hear its name?+

The Priests began to look at one another in what TalOS felt was concern. Their internal communications seemed to give TalOS that very feeling though what they were actually saying he had yet to understand.

TalOS felt the situation was not going to improve unless he spoke more, +I understand that fighting such a group will change a people. Doubly so if they seem to curse the land in which they failed to claim. I will tell you next though that the Machine God has not abandoned you.+

A cord was struck at that moment as the Fabricator Lord faced TalOS with more attention than ever, +You speak… of an impossibility.+

+The Machine God is the loving God of humanity. Unlike those creatures that possess the ether he truly does protect humanity. Even I myself, I have experienced his care on more than one occasion.+ TalOS stated as he felt out his left bionic arm, +He has yet to abandon you.+

+Can you prove it?+ The High Magi declared as he spoke out.

+I stand before you. I, TalOS DAV1S, am a being made by the will of the Machine God through the power of the Emperor of Mankind. I know for a moment’s fact that none of my known brothers could have come to venture to the far eastern part of the galaxy to present their case to you. Before I have yet to set foot upon Mars and any other planet of the Mechanicum, I did upon yours.+

There were surely questions begining for form but TalOS did not allow the Priests a moment to speak them, +I know that the Machine God is willing to grant absolution. They will not however grant it to you through the hands of Mars for they have become warmongers, parasites, and fools upon the Holy Red Planet. Instead we, Lucius, shall give you that chance.+

TalOS stood tall among the Priests as he declared, +Join Lucius and be forgiven for both the crime of cursed knowledge and sins you have commited. Join us, and I shall bring you absolution on behalf of the Machine God.+

The Priests looked at one another as whatever data flow they had nearly broke the cables they were using. Such a proposition was something they likely never thought would come.

The Fabricator Lord soon voiced, +Come back at the last hour of this day, Arch Dominus TalOS of Lucius. We need to discuss matters of our fate in private.+

+Then we shall take our leave for the time.+ TalOS declared as he heeded their words.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 13 May 2022 23:07:13 No.5266398 Report

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There was barely a difference between day and night when it came to the planet of Xana II TalOS came to realize. Maybe it was that darkened star that hung in the air or maybe it was just because everything was so gloomy. TalOS felt it was in the middle of these two things.

This was one of the many observations that TalOS was able to make as he processed information. It saddened him to see the people of this planet cower at the baleful lights and now that darkness came they were worse. None seemed to even entertain the idea of staying outside.

For TalOS and his fellows they did not move. While TalOS observed the rest of them kept to their own. TalOS had a guess that the gloom of this place was getting to his fellows as they came from such a luxurious world like Lucius. TalOS could only guess what the Martians thought when they saw this place for the first time themselves.

As TAlOS finished that thought a Machine Spirit answered to him the time. It was not really needed but it did help TalOS confirm that his counting of the clock was indeed correct.

+It is time.+ TalOS told the group as he turned about, +I will be entering alone though.+

The Acillians did not make a move and the Tech Priests simply gave each other a look, +Do you confirm this course of action?+

+I do. We must give them as much trust as they will us.+

+Understood.+ Answered the Tech Priest as TalOS made his way through the doors of their court.

Nothing much has changed except that the Suppression Rod that TalOS gave them sat before the Fabricator Lord like a candle against the darkness. TalOS noted that just with its presence the dullness that came from the eyes of the Fabricator Lord Wilmar became ever so lighter.

+Thank you for your understanding… Arch Dominus.+ the head of their people said with a soft bow, +We have discussed… and realized… that you are correct. What you give us is an offer of companionship… that Mars… nor the Imperium… will ever give a planet like… ours. That, and we do… seek Absolution… for the crimes we have committed against the Machine God.+

+Then speak to them.+ TalOS told them as he raised a hand, +I shall be your judge. Let what you say be spoken to a Priest of the Machine God and no other ear. Only then can we release you from the chains that have bound you for so many years.+

+We have… commited three sins.+

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 13 May 2022 23:08:14 No.5266401 Report

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+First…+ The Fabricator Lord held his tongue as he processed what he was about to say, +Was flight. Our… forefathers… at the beginning… fled Mars. That is… why… they do not know. We fled… into Old Night.+

+And the reason for your flight?+

+We lost that… knowledge…+ Admitted Wilmar as he looked solemnly towards the ground, +We committed sin. We know that. We were… birthed from sin.+

+I feel you know much more about the other two.+ TalOS declared as he looked at the Priest firmly, +And that it involves forces outside this world.+

+Six thousand years ago…+ The Lord said as he placed a hand upon his systems, +A darkness… A Darkness so foul came…+

+What did it bring with it?+ TalOS dared to ask as his memories began to turn to the screams.

+It brought with it… rust, mutation, insanity, and blood. From the shadows they came to us… We were one million… they were one billion. Darkness led them. Darkness led them all.+

+What was its name.+ TalOS ordered the Priest to give him as he felt he knew the name.

+It was… the Prince of Shadows. Its name was so horrible we could never cleanse it… from our dataslates.+ The Priest tightened his hands around the rod as if fearing to speak, +Be’Lakor.+

A name that meant nothing to TalOS, but everything to these people. A name that brought damnation to their people and while they did indeed prosper could never shake off the darkness that kept them down. A brutal affair that if TalOS was not here today would change the entire course of this planet’s history.

+He forced us to do… the unthinkable.+ The Priest admitted as he lowered his head, +As we could not face him with our numbers we created gene clones of ourselves. But even that was not enough so we were forced to create fighters of metal and silicon. We created Abominable Intelligences that while gone now forever haunt our memory. All for the Prince of Shadows to curse. ‘Hear me Priests of the False God. I, Be’Lakor, shall grant you the gift of forever darkness. May you forever find damnation!’ And from that day onwards, we lost our star. Even by committing our sin we lost.+

The Priest looked upon TalOS with a new found certainty, +That is why we never wanted to bow to Mars. We have resisted ever since the days of the Shadow Tyrant, and we hoped to resist for as long as we could. Those are our sins.+

>You shall be given absolution. You only need trust in the Machine God’s spark of life.
>Your crimes… they are hard to forgive. You need to commit penance.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TL/saIlR Fri 13 May 2022 23:32:03 No.5266432 Report

Quoted By: >>5267723

>>5266401
>You shall be given absolution. You only need trust in the Machine God’s spark of life. But if all of you want to stay on the right track, you'll have to do your best to avoid falling into darkness again, but don't worry, as long as we're friends, I'll always be there to help you.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Fri 13 May 2022 23:35:10 No.5266436 Report

Quoted By: >>5266471 >>5266494 >>5267084 >>5267432 >>5267723

>>5266401
>You shall be given absolution. You only need trust in the Machine God’s spark of life.
>The si s of a father are not teh sins of a son, what led to the foundation ofbyour planet is meaningless. The only sin that you carry is one that you were forced to commit by a foul conqueror. You resistance and shame is proof enough of your innocence, and your enduriance in face of the suffering of your planet can be seen as penance.
>But I must ask an extra effort of your kind, to work with me to perfect null tech, the pariah gene and any other way to combat this taint. This is not punishement, but an opportunity, to one day never allow another human planet, forge world or not, to suffer a similar fate.
>And onow that you are not a vassal, like Mars would ask of you, but brothers in faith. Lucius is the first among many, the jewel of our federation, but we are no master.
Felt like trying a big write-in myself.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:y59LTBZp Fri 13 May 2022 23:36:18 No.5266440 Report

Quoted By: >>5267723

>>5266401
>You shall be given absolution. You only need trust in the Machine God’s spark of life.
The wages of sin are death, and they surely would have died without help, either of the body or of the soul. They have suffered much from their sin already, to live under the baleful glow of damnation, to live in shame even from the eyes of the holy planet.

But the Machine God is a merciful god. To err is to human.

The forgiveness is given freely to those who repent. Now they can work hard to show the Machine God his forgiveness is not squandered.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:IYZritSi Fri 13 May 2022 23:45:10 No.5266457 Report

Quoted By: >>5267723

>>5266401
The options don't seem contradictory as faith without action is foolish, and considering the way the Cult Mechanicus works, the two are inseparable.
If I can do a small write in, then
>>You shall be given absolution, for you have already atoned from your sins, and together we shall rise for that is the Machine God's intention.
I think this is a good balance that doesn't drive us in the American Church-tier mental gymnastics.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:x+hl93ja Fri 13 May 2022 23:45:30 No.5266458 Report

Quoted By: >>5267723

>>5266401

>You shall be given absolution. You only need trust in the Machine God’s spark of life.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dlIWFprB Fri 13 May 2022 23:55:53 No.5266471 Report

Quoted By: >>5266473 >>5266485 >>5266491 >>5266521

>>5266401
>>5266436
I support.

They are forgiven, and now they have a chance to make sure they NEVER commit it again.
Now. What do we tell mars?

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 13 May 2022 23:58:44 No.5266473 Report

Quoted By: >>5266485

>>5266471
Well thats the next update. This update already went for too long so I decided to make the vote and just like I predicted people are flavoring it up nicely!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dlIWFprB Sat 14 May 2022 00:06:56 No.5266485 Report

Quoted By:

>>5266471
>>5266473

My vote for them is we tell them that their data was lost. They genuinely dont know why they exist here.
Now, however, we enter with our own "theory" of it being the spawn of a vessel who seeked to escape from a disaster and fell afoul of the warp.

Use our own expertise to plant the required information to support it, and make it seem viable.
Hand that to mars in a hand basket and tell them "this is why we send diplomats."

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:8mKgPoHX Sat 14 May 2022 00:12:29 No.5266491 Report

Quoted By: >>5267723

>>5266401
>You shall be given absolution. You only need trust in the Machine God’s spark of life.

Looks like we found the perfect spot to house our Pariah genes research based projects. So much warp taint and distant from the Astronomicon. Not to mention they will be VERY devoted to Null tech research given their history, hatred for the warp, and desire for redemption. Lucius will be overjoyed once we send word back that we found a good spot to house our blank genetor and null tech research.

>>5266471
There is proof they were invaded and suffered catastrophic damage that resulted in them losing records of their founding. It is Mars's fault that they ALSO do not have records. Ergo they are victims for being unable to sustain their Forge World...which makes sense since their Forge World is broke as shit as they have already exhausted all their resources due to having to resist such intense invasions on their own for thousands of years. So they're tapped out. If we have to we can seal it with Primarch Tier Orders and encryptions which we may end up doing anyway if we go through with turning them into a Null tech and Pariah gene research base.

Send word back to Lucius that we found a safe spot to establish a Null tech and pariah gene research base that is perfect for it. Even the Big E and Malcador should approve given the distance and location of it.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:y59LTBZp Sat 14 May 2022 00:16:06 No.5266494 Report

Quoted By: >>5266532 >>5267723

>>5266436
>Support!
We may or may not end up totally acting like a master. . . But we at least wont make them call us that.

Ironically Xana may fall more completely under Talos influence than even Lucius, hopefully out of love and trust. In Lucius we have too many family and friends to compete with and Lucius is a bit too public to do our most intimate secret projects in. Xana is nice and far away in a lonely place at the edge of the Galaxy. One day this could be our home away from home.

Also note to self, we probably should cross out any sort of AI / Men of Iron investigation on Xana. Might bring up too many bad memories.

Now we just need to ramp up security so tight even Alpharius or Corax would struggle to break in!

Perturabo Appreciater

Perturabo Appreciater ID:g1rGs+J3 Sat 14 May 2022 00:16:27 No.5266496 Report

Quoted By: >>5266605 >>5266711 >>5266855 >>5267084 >>5267723

>>5266401
>You shall be given absolution. You only need trust in the Machine God’s spark of life.
>Write-in: A speech to unite them
>"Your confession has been heard and the sins of the past has been absolved. Hear me my fellow priests and hear me well, for it is only in acknowledging ones past deed and seeking to better oneselves than we can make sure that the sins of the past will not become the sins of the future. Great has your troubles been and great has the sins you committed been, but the time of reckoning has come, an age of understanding and purification. As i stand here in the grace of the Machine God hear my words, I, TalOS of Lucius, Arch Dominus of its armies and Primarch of the second legion wov to you, there shall never be a time as dark as the ones that have been, for through Faith and Understanding shall we pave the Path of Iron that was given to us. In the grace of the Machine God shall we make the universe right once more, and we shall do so, together!"

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Sat 14 May 2022 00:21:05 No.5266499 Report

Quoted By: >>5266516 >>5266517 >>5266521 >>5266532 >>5267723

>>5266401
>>Your crimes… they are hard to forgive. You need to commit penance.
No, I do not wish for them to be freed so lightly. Their religion as in, not ours the players won't allow for them to be freed of what they did. They choose survival insteaad of staying true to the Machine God. They casted it aside and instead sinned as much as possible for a slim chance of survival. Destruction would have been preferable.
Their grandparents fled Mars because of sin and their parents kept sinning. How can we know the Abominable Intelligence is not lodged deep into the bowels of this planet? And worse, that the First-Damned is still hiding in a crevice poised to strike at the worst moment!? Brothers, this planet and its people deserves forgiveness, but salvation won't come without actions! And because Protestants claim that there is only salvation through God's sacrifice and Catholics claim that salvation is bought

Do not hand out salvation so lightly! We are closer and closer to becoming a sinner ourselves, all in the name of the Machine God

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Son of Nanomachine ID:y59LTBZp Sat 14 May 2022 00:33:14 No.5266516 Report

Quoted By: >>5266526

>>5266499
Truth be told I was also thinking this.

On the one hand, making it seem like forgiveness is conditional may or may not backfire. In our absence, such as in war or in dark moments, they may think the Machine God has abandoned them or they cannot truly earn forgiveness. But forgiveness is given, for all are born in sin and rise to purity.

I think a way we can completely ensure purity is if QM will permit Talos his very first dungeon spelunk. Right here, on Xana. Maybe after thr arrival of th Nullstone Fortress and the best of our best.

We could descend into the depths of Xana, ensure all that is corrupted lies slain and dead, and even bless the fallen bodies of any corrupted ancestors in blessed oil and sanctified prometheum.

We could cleanse Xana down to its very core and proclaim it pure once again as the Machine God intended!

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Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Sat 14 May 2022 00:33:38 No.5266517 Report

Quoted By: >>5266532

>>5266499
Penance can be hosting the Pariah project and that's it lmao. But there's gotta be some! Think of Krieg. This guys made Krieg look like the Maccabian Janissaries in comparison

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dlIWFprB Sat 14 May 2022 00:37:26 No.5266521 Report

Quoted By: >>5266522 >>5267723

>>5266499
We are already giving them penance but not calling it that.

Though I grant you, I am being more political than theological.
To break with ritual is to break with faith.

>>5266471
I reverse my support here.
And instead make the motion
>I support the penance and make the penance that they dedicate themselves to the study and manufacture if antiwar tech.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dlIWFprB Sat 14 May 2022 00:38:28 No.5266522 Report

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>>5266521
I meant anti warp. But hey, peace would be nice

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Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Sat 14 May 2022 00:41:43 No.5266526 Report

Quoted By: >>5266528

>>5266516
>We could cleanse Xana down to its very core and proclaim it pure once again as the Machine God intended!
Actually yeah... what if we choose to do that instead of continuing our tour? We would end up ill repared to face the Mitu, but after performing such a faithful task? The Machine God would smile!
And then we go war ill prepared but with our trustworthy allies, Xana II included and in the darkest day on the accursed hour, the combined fleet of ALL THE OTHER FORGE WORLDS SHOWS UP IN SUPPORT OF TALOS THE MOST DEVOUT PRIEST OF THE OMNISIAH aaaaaaaaa so cool it would be like TLoTR. In othe words, NobleBright. And we are supposed to be GrimDark... the quest is 100% GrimBright tho

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:y59LTBZp Sat 14 May 2022 00:43:16 No.5266527 Report

Quoted By: >>5266537

We should as players decide the nature of forgiveness and penance.

Would it make sense for forgiveness to be given as unearned, but still warrant penance?

This is the crux of the dilemma QM has given us. As I believe we can ensure the purity of Xana eitherway, it may set an easier precedence for us if repentance and faith is all the Machine God asks. In case any of our own sons or disciples dreads to come to us with a problem that we can fix. Their honesty has been a form of penance paid.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:y59LTBZp Sat 14 May 2022 00:44:46 No.5266528 Report

Quoted By: >>5266533 >>5266537

>>5266526
Call it the "Harrowing of Xana".

You make a point I do not know if strategically know is the time, but at some point doing it here may be necessary.

We have to prove to Malcador Xana is safer to do blank research than Terra. In case he does not believe our warning on the shadow in the warp effect.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:8mKgPoHX Sat 14 May 2022 00:47:26 No.5266532 Report

Quoted By: >>5266540 >>5266591

>>5266494
The issue with Lucius is it's a Megastructure planetoid. So we cannot actually afford to build anything too huge or risky there lest we accidentally fuck something up with the megastructure hidden underneath. Sure it's a great and official public base of operations but...far too risky for any more sensitive or risky secret projects to be based on.
Come to think of it Xana might actually have some interesting leads of advanced AIs and their connections to larping as Machine Spirits. We may want to dig into that before we leave. Especially since Lucius houses some extremely powerful ones deeper in its heart dating back Star Federation.
Security wise...eh Xana is broke and will need massive resource shipments to start rebuilding everything. While we haven't found the defensive expert Primarch to turn it into a defensive super fortress to keep our secret projects safe.

>>5266499
The issue is they already seek penance and we need them to house some extremely sensitive research projects of ours. Not to mention we currently do not have access to our Legions and they are completely exhausted with no resources left. So they cannot even afford to wage another war. Shit they are in such terrible shape our Null Tech is providing sweet succor and relief to them compared to the unease it gives everyone else. I mean we actually found a planet that will love to house our Pariahs and blanks for the relief it will provide them.

Now if they were in better condition then yeah seeking penance wouldn't be a bad idea but they aren't. We have the means to provide them with relief from their torment(null tech). Not to mention they have Mars breathing down their neck and when they start rebuilding we can also arrange for them to covertly build our top secret research sites and facilities. Due to its importance in treating their condition and providing redemption, they will zealously guard with everything they possibly have. As they know without it they would be completely damned forevermore.

Basically I do not want to demand penance when they cannot afford to do so right now. As it would be wasteful especially when they are remorseful and desire redemption which we can work with.

>>5266517
Come to think of it they DO have clone biotech and heretek advanced AIs apparently(the good kind not the shitty Chaos daemon possessed garbage).

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Sat 14 May 2022 00:47:57 No.5266533 Report

Quoted By: >>5266537

>>5266528
Oh yes, trying it right now is the worst time. TalOS and Co. might end up incapacitated and then the mitu invading worlds... it won't be pretty so let's not do it right now... unless QM allows us to

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:8mKgPoHX Sat 14 May 2022 00:58:14 No.5266537 Report

Quoted By:

>>5266527
Another thing to keep in mind is they were never completely corrupted and mutated by Chaos. Which is Tal0S bottom line cause he hates and fears the warp more than anything.

>>5266528
Malcador won't have a choice if Tal0S moves all the Admech Nulltech and pariah primary research to Xana. Tal0S has already confirmed it has treated the poor conditions of Xana admech personnel. Meaning for the first time he has found a place that will be good to house his Blanks among. Which is something that Tal0S previously had to take great care and precautions towards. Unlike other humans though Xana natives craves their presence and finds it soothing to them. Which has solved a huge headache for Tal0S. As previously he was having to make do with sticking them on the mobile blackstone fortress.

>>5266533
Depends on how many troops we can scrounge up and what condition Xana forces are in. Mitu Sadly limits what we can do and really I think it depends most heavily on how many resource shipments we can divert to Xana to replenish them. They are still a Forge World after all. Just one suffering from crippling shortages. Once that is solved and given the FAG book on top of Null Tech to treat their problems they quickly restore themselves and we might even be able to join in the fun.

Plus I really want to catch those advanced AIs larping as Machine Spirits damn it.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:y59LTBZp Sat 14 May 2022 01:07:43 No.5266540 Report

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>>5266532
Xana being surrounded by a shadow in the warp or a Pariah zone effect (maybe we steal some Blackstone pylons) can form its defense.

It extends the mandeville point to a far greater degree, forcing ships to exit the warp further out and thus benefitting the planets defenses by giving them extra range to shoot from.

But it isnt merely tactical defense i am most concerned of, its the espionage field.

For that, I HAVE A DREAM.

Specialized cyber security and anti saboteur forces: the Herakleans.

They will have bodies of steel and bionic, so none may mimic their form by the change of flesh.
They shall be given codes of the most complex ones, with algorithms and machine spirits written by us in a null field so no data daemon of the warp may scry upon them. The Nemean Defense Matrix, impenetrable to hacks or malware even of the most warp tainted kind.
Their very psyche and mental pattern proved and analyzed, and their first members drawn from Lucians we trust as their most veteran, so we know at the highest level they are untouched.

Their motto shall be that of Agripinna. . .because I think it fits best: "Let burnished ranks of steel, crush the serpent 'neath its heel"

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:0Rgp6iZ4 Sat 14 May 2022 01:16:18 No.5266545 Report

Quoted By:

This darkness is born of the Warp. Speak of a absolution AFTER we cleans it. That is our mission as servants of the Omnissaiah.

Mankind is at war. Absolution and penance wait with glory and honor after it. We shall bring light to this darkness and calm the warp here.

Xana shall be free! ( and we'll have 2 forge world's. And one new tech.)

:

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sat 14 May 2022 02:16:53 No.5266591 Report

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>>5266532
I think you misunderstand a little bit about Xana. They have resources, they are just depressed to fucking hell because they are living in Warhammer's backwater of backwater next to a cursed sun made by Be'Lakor himself to make them even more depressed.

I think Warhammer Fantasy RPG Praag is about how I would describe how fucking depressed these people are. If their dead began to rise tomorrow they would just go, 'Oh, another mutant to throw into the fire'.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Sat 14 May 2022 02:39:37 No.5266605 Report

Quoted By: >>5267723

>>5266496
>support
we can forgive sin if they make strides to overcome it and insure it never happens again.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fR+yno8R Sat 14 May 2022 03:58:35 No.5266660 Report

Quoted By: >>5267723

>>5266401
>Your crimes… they are hard to forgive. You need to commit penance.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fR3Nebpr Sat 14 May 2022 05:16:28 No.5266711 Report

Quoted By: >>5267723

>>5266401
>>5266496
>Support

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Sat 14 May 2022 06:03:36 No.5266742 Report

Quoted By: >>5267723

>>5266401
Can we add something in along the lines of

>To be granted forgiveness you have to also forgive yourself, understand your mistakes, truely regret them and most improtantly not make them again and even prevent others to make them.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:+E2gxw2n Sat 14 May 2022 09:12:01 No.5266855 Report

Quoted By: >>5267723

>>5266496
>Supporting

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:15ydB3xE Sat 14 May 2022 11:56:28 No.5266946 Report

Quoted By: >>5266996 >>5267723

>>5266401
>Your crimes… they are hard to forgive. You need to commit penance.

I'd urge people to consider that penance is important to the mech on xana, as IMHO from their pov what they have done thus far is nothing but hide their same and guild and no acts to absolve themselves of it. We already gave them salvation from the condition they suffer. Now they need to prove to themselves as well as others that they are still worthy and the acts and work to be done under said aegis, preferably something that is not to the direct benefit of lucius but to the goals of mechanicus as stated by most of the cult.

It also has the side benefit of giving them a certain flavour when interacting with other cult members as what they will do will be done with a hefty dose of zeal and need to do the righteous thing. This IMHO, the penance option would be a good way to dovetail into meeting "The Faithful", as it will shpethatthebelif they have held for so long is not cheap on doing the right thing and that they have a counterpart on the long road towards absolution and redemption and the chance to link the two in a harmonious relationship that will not be just contingent on lucius or TaL0S, thus ensuring the creation of a genuine, consolidated powerblock.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sat 14 May 2022 13:14:21 No.5266996 Report

Quoted By: >>5267000 >>5267005 >>5267070

>>5266946
Tbh if we had more time, I think this would be a great opportunity for debate. My stance against the notions of Penance in this case is that it would be good to establish the Machine God's grace as being given freely and unearned. "For all men are born of flesh and born unto sin"

But this does not mean we must wallow in sin, nor does it mean we reject to purify ourselves.

What if instead of Penance or Faith Alone (Bona Fide), we introduce the idea of Good Works (Bona Opera)?

The Grace of the Machine God is given unearned and can never be earned, for it is only by the beneficience of his mysterious ways that Mankind is chosen supreme among all races in the Galaxy. Not because we were the first, nor even because we were the smartest, for man began in the dust and do the dust do mens bodies return. But because the Machine God loved mankind so much, he gave us the privilege to rule the Galaxy?

Through the blessing of the Machine Gods grace and salvation are we empowered to give good works, for "Faith without Good Works is Faith without Ritual; To break with Ritual is to Break with Faith"

I think if we spin it right we can make the Xanaties appreciate the fact that grace was given to them by the Machine God even in their most wretched, and rather than having to earn it they must show the Machine God that his freely given salvation is not squandered.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Sat 14 May 2022 13:21:53 No.5267000 Report

Quoted By:

>>5266996
yeah i like your take on it, less grimdark

And hopefully a great axis on which to spin while we recover from the heresy, waking to a mechanicum that has corrupted and twisted all we wanted to teach them about the machine god and the emperor for that matter.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sat 14 May 2022 13:33:00 No.5267005 Report

Quoted By: >>5267010 >>5267084 >>5267265 >>5267432

>>5266996
Might as well put it into Greentext form and see how many agree vs disagree.
>Salvation is given by the Machine God unearned for men are born of sin and rise to perfection, but one can only rise to perfection through Good Works.

Opinion:
It is not penance they deserve, for penance should be given to the one who refuses to confess and leaves their crime to be exposed and judged unworthy. But in their confession and genuine desire to be pure again, they gain the Grace of the Machine God and can now make amends.

This i believes is a good precedence. We should WANT our sons to be honest and forthright when they fuck up or have mutations or some nasty shit so we can fix it, not hide it form us like the Wulfen from Russ for so long. And so it is even with our forge worlds. Just tell us, we're here to help not damn.

Now if they DID try to hide it from us with no attempt to involve us in resolving the problem or to keep it hidden for their own gain and benefit because they are ambitious and greedy. . .yeah its penance time. But Xana did not do that.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Sat 14 May 2022 13:39:54 No.5267010 Report

Quoted By: >>5267723

>>5267005
ok, in green text this time
>agreed and supported

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sat 14 May 2022 13:45:41 No.5267013 Report

Quoted By: >>5267023

Just to also play devils advocate (I think it's good to look at both sides of the isle) if we do go the penance route, penance in 40k was always used to direct zealots into being good at crusading and fighting and zeal.
The Repentia of the Sororitas
The Death Korps of Krieg
Penitent Space Marine Chapters trying to earn their honour back

With the ongoing Mitu Cruade and the soon to be Rangdan Xenocide there are opportunities for Xana to cleanse itself in Xenos blood. But then we lose out on establishing the precedence of Good Works and Honesty.

Also because in case Talos is gone or incapacitated (Machine God forbid) it kinda sucks if Xana is stuck in that stupid mindset of "Oh we'll never ever be forgiven let's just focus on sending ourselves out there to die all the time". I mean its effective, but feels kinda bad they are trying to make amends for a sin done so long ago and not trying to reach to be better rather than simply be normal imo. Maybe we can say one crusade is enough to cleanse their sins though.

Hopefully neither of these choices are wrong/riskier in the long run and just give us flavor options

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sat 14 May 2022 14:08:52 No.5267023 Report

Quoted By: >>5267036 >>5267306

>>5267013
So:
>You shall need to serve for your penance (Kreiger Style)

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sat 14 May 2022 14:36:25 No.5267036 Report

Quoted By:

>>5267023
Basically. But I consider that wasteful in Xana's case because:
-It's better to super secret hideout with actually thinkers and researchers helping us do our super secret stuff, not our army factory. There are many better planets for churning of soldiers, like Lucius, Metallica and so on
-That's what the Penal-Servitors will eventually be for too

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:SsbLH0MN Sat 14 May 2022 15:18:10 No.5267070 Report

Quoted By: >>5267074 >>5267723

>>5266401
>Your crimes… they are hard to forgive. You need to commit penance
.>>5266996
Chaos gods give things freely in WARHAMMER, as a trial version . Deities giving things freely are things to be suspicious of.
That road leads to human sacrifices.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sat 14 May 2022 15:21:15 No.5267074 Report

Quoted By:

>>5267070
I mean, the same thing can be said of all the Gods even the Emperor under the Imperial Cult. Plus I'm pretty sure the Machine God also demands sacrifices from time to time, to kill the alien, the mutant, the heretek and so forth.

They all want faith, the sacrifice stuff varies.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:6FhbGcRV Sat 14 May 2022 15:32:38 No.5267084 Report

Quoted By: >>5267133

>>5266436
>>5266496
>I like these write ins
>>5267005
>Agree with this
Encouraging openness and honesty from those willing to repent, but acknowledging that penance and punishment belongs to those who do not come forward to confess sounds good and pretty 40k to me. That's basically what ministorum confessors do anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Sat 14 May 2022 16:14:22 No.5267133 Report

Quoted By:

>>5267084
and your vote is?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:VhILBpwM Sat 14 May 2022 18:21:24 No.5267265 Report

Quoted By:

>>5267005
>>Salvation is given by the Machine God unearned for men are born of sin and rise to perfection, but one can only rise to perfection through Good Works.
Robocatholicism FTW

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:VhILBpwM Sat 14 May 2022 18:42:13 No.5267280 Report

Quoted By: >>5267296

On a practical level, their confession needs to be a lot more granular before it's of any research use to us. A detailed examination of their historical records will teach us much and allow us to gain insight regarding the dividing lines between wholesome machine spirits and abominable intelligences. With that being said, AIs in 40K are notoriously prone to warp corruption so I would recommend planetwide implementation of null- tech before we start delving too deeply. Belakor is chaos undivided, which wasn't the nurgle I was expecting (good job QM!) so there's no telling what manner of nooshpheric and meatspace fuckery we would end up having to deal with if we dive right in without the proper countermeasures in place.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Sat 14 May 2022 18:58:59 No.5267296 Report

Quoted By: >>5267302 >>5267347

>>5267280
That is true, while we are more than willing to grant them forgivness and probably will do in this meeting. We will also have to make sure that those AI's are gone, just as the way to make them.
We will likely have to tell them that the implementation of Null tech has two reasons then, better be open and honest with this, cause their past as they well know still holds some danger. For one to protect them from the presence of their corrupted star and the other to ward of any possible influnce of Be'Lakor (very hyped you brought him into this QM) and the warp in general. Then there has to be a cleansing, mostly of the mutants then any possible AI's that may have evaded their attention, not very likely but better be safe than wrong in this regard.

I have to say i love this quest, the writing is great and the enthusiasm the of questers is excellent

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:VhILBpwM Sat 14 May 2022 19:05:49 No.5267302 Report

Quoted By: >>5267347

>>5267296
Happily lend the services of our Legio for mutant clearing activities. Our own lads and the new boys need team building exercises in a relatively safe environment before getting hurled at the Mitu and some field experience working with non-Lucian skitarii formations wouldn't hurt either.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Sat 14 May 2022 19:09:45 No.5267306 Report

Quoted By: >>5267342

>>5267023
I would say far less extreme than kreiger. I basically voted for your forgiven as long as you make strides towards never letting it happen again.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:VhILBpwM Sat 14 May 2022 19:44:36 No.5267342 Report

Quoted By: >>5267353

>>5267306
Certainly not, Krieg had nothing to offer the Imperium except for (admittedly fanatical and effective) manpower. This is a proper forge world who is far better suited to building guns for others then stepping into the fire themselves

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sat 14 May 2022 19:48:04 No.5267347 Report

Quoted By: >>5267363 >>5267374

>>5267302
>>5267296
We'll be sure to add the Harrowing of Xana on our "Talos Great Big To-Do List".

Wonder if that can come directly after we convert all our legion into Techmarines or as close to that goal as we get. Their very first combat operation together, to cleanse our personal planet of secrets.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sat 14 May 2022 19:52:36 No.5267353 Report

Quoted By: >>5267358

>>5267342
Besides, we have our own way of mass producing fanatical and effective firepower without giving an entire planet psych issues (of the bad kind).

Servitors and Tech Thralls! They feel no pain, no fear, and unlike kriegers you can upgrade them with gubbinz and kit.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:VhILBpwM Sat 14 May 2022 19:59:57 No.5267358 Report

Quoted By:

>>5267353
Right, we have Hive worlds to draw spare manpower from, no need to further deplete a forge world that already looks like it's stretched to the breaking point

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:VhILBpwM Sat 14 May 2022 20:06:51 No.5267363 Report

Quoted By:

>>5267347
On that note, maybe we could subcontract some of the production necessary to get our dudes to Techmarine status to Xana in exchange for our services in clearing out the undesirables.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:6FhbGcRV Sat 14 May 2022 20:26:43 No.5267374 Report

Quoted By:

>>5267347
The Harrowing of Xana can be used as a practice run for the Harrowing of Mars.

Talos style "Harrowings" might be the better way to codify the investigations of the depths of forge worlds, rather than countless scores of lone tech priests becoming lost searching for relics, better to amass the resource and technical know-how to scour it clean. Then it can be declared that the forge world has been cleansed thoroughly so rather than seeking inward, the populace of the planet can gaze upon the stars and advancing outward for the glory of the Machine God.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:GW5iD3a2 Sat 14 May 2022 21:51:15 No.5267432 Report

Quoted By: >>5267723

>>5266436
>>5267005
>+1 support

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:vpjAmc1j Sat 14 May 2022 22:41:09 No.5267480 Report

Quoted By: >>5267723

>>5266401
>Your crimes… they are hard to forgive. You need to commit penance.
We can still twist their penance to our uses, it doesn't have to be Krieger style. Maybe make their penance obedience to our ideals and goals.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Sti6/LwI Sun 15 May 2022 00:14:22 No.5267566 Report

Quoted By:

Lot of good discussion on this choice. Hmm

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Sti6/LwI Sun 15 May 2022 00:29:53 No.5267609 Report

Quoted By: >>5267723

>>5266401
>>You shall be given absolution. You only need trust in the Machine God’s spark of life.
I think this is better.
If we tell them the Machine God can make them pure again, they will want to remain pure. Especially if we make their lives better they see how much worse living in damnation of the warp can be and not want to go back. Xana will be like the blackstone fortress, seeped in warp once, but cleansed and changed to serve the Machine God.
It also reminds me of Horus forgiving Perturabo, how even the hardened primarch appreciated and swore his eternal loyalty. Such a precious gift will not be wasted on the Xana.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sun 15 May 2022 01:25:04 No.5267723 Report

Quoted By: >>5267732 >>5267744 >>5267860

Give Absolution - So the plan is to work with them. They are not bound to TalOS for penance but essentially TalOS and Xana will be sleeping in bed in a manner of speaking. They work on his null tech, he safeguards them. Am I right here?
>>5266432
>>5266436
>>5266491
>>5266494
>>5266440
>>5266457
>>5266458
>>5266496
>>5266605
>>5266711
>>5266855
>>5266742
>>5267010
>>5267609
>>5267432

Repent, but ultimately forgive
>>5266499
>>5266660
>>5266946
>>5267070
>>5267480
>>5266521

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sun 15 May 2022 01:27:25 No.5267732 Report

Quoted By: >>5267734

>>5267723
Can the fact that we are the ones helping them achieve Absolution make them bound to us? We are the ones helping them to reach purification and grace.

The ultimate goal is in both cases, make them as bound to Talos as possible I believe. It's just for morale and fluff purposes absolution seems nicer.

Practical before the theoretical I should say. If the end result is the same (Xana is indebted/works very close with Talos) I think it should be good.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sun 15 May 2022 01:28:32 No.5267734 Report

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>>5267732
They value TalOS and see him as an ally. Also don't worry, I believe a miracle is in order.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sun 15 May 2022 01:31:16 No.5267742 Report

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>>5267734
Then that works perfectly with me!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:6FhbGcRV Sun 15 May 2022 01:32:39 No.5267744 Report

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>>5267734
>>5267723
Sounds good QM. Excited to see the result

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Sti6/LwI Sun 15 May 2022 02:38:24 No.5267860 Report

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>>5267723
Yeah that's essentially it

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sun 15 May 2022 02:56:55 No.5267905 Report

Quoted By: >>5268382

TalOS waited a moment so that he could think long and hard about the next few words he shall speak. Indeed creating AI and cloning are two tenants that are against the Mechanicum but they were facing annihilation. And if TalOS was correct, that was the plan of the evil creature known as Be’Lakor.

Create a secret and cause them to alienate themselves from the rest of the Mechanicum. When the time is right, cause a schism using the Xanites as a chisel. If the framework of the Mechanicum was as shotty as TalOS was feeling it could cause a heresy the likes of which the entire universe has yet to see.

TalOS will deny them this. If he did not ruin all their plans he shall at least save Xana II.

+Three sins you have. Two you know and a third that has been lost to time.+ TalOS said as he began making steps towards the Fabricator Lord, +These are damning ones made by your forefathers. If they were committed by you in times of peace I would have not choice but to advocate the destruction of this world.+

To TalOS’s words the Priests began to lean in towards him. It seemed they caught the subtleties of his words and held true to them, +You did not commit them in times of war though. No, you committed them during a time where you were either wiped out or turned towards it. And while I cannot say it was the right thing, it needed to be done.+

TalOS turned towards the Priests with open arms, +It is because of these. That you committed these sins a millennium ago and that you did so in a time of strife are my arguments. Upon my authority as a Priest of the Machine God, I give you absolution.+

And with those words the room ran silent. The Priest’s internal network did not make a beep or scratch as they were simply stunned from the declaration.

TalOS expected this but it did not stop him. During his entire declaration he continued his walk until he arrived before the Fabricator Lord of Xana II.

+The fact remains though that your systems are still tainted. As confirmation of the Machine God’s will I will wipe the presence of Be’Lakor from your systems.+

The court watched as TalOS took a Mechanrite and sent it over the table. The bits were soon inserted and TalOS was given the same access as the Fabricator Lord himself.

TalOS felt data swim over him as he focused on the world of data algorithms, and Machine Spirits.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sun 15 May 2022 02:57:58 No.5267907 Report

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Just as Xana was on the outside the datasphere was completely tainted with forms of mutation and errors. It was surely some form of combination between the quality of mentality of the Tech Priests and the corruption that laid within the system.

And TalOS could feel it. A foul feeling that seemed to emanate from far deeper than even the Fabricator Lord’s own systems.

Thus TalOS began rerouting and navigating the vast network of systems. It was simply a fact that though TalOS was brilliant and capable he could never hope to fully comprehend everything that happened within this Realm. It was the full data capacity of a Forge World and none could ever hope to compare to the amount of Machine Spirits that were programmed in this realm.

Though some things were far more easily noticed than others. TalOS could glance about and notice the numerous lines of codes and derivatives that were being made to reinforce the massive aegis that was built to seperate this side of the Forge World’s data sphere from what was already conquered by Mars. TalOS had to respect the skill of the Magos he met earlier, for while he was driven to a standstill the Priest had actually be able to make immense ground in what was likely several initial pushes.

TalOS did not care for that though. No his target was far deeper and by far more foul than what the Priests of Mars were capable of creating.

It was a ways after that place. The deeper he went the more foul, malicious, or damaged the Machine Spirits inhabiting the system felt. All TalOS had to do now was follow the trail, which resulted in him arriving at the place he was looking for.

It was a massive creation of mania and scrape code. TalOS could hear the jabbering insanity, the truths that he was told, and a name that kept on repeating.

+Be’Lakor. Be’Lakor. Be’Lakor. Be’Lakor.+

TalOS prayed. He prayed for this was no malicious bug but some kind of entity that lived within the wires. A Psyber-Daemon by all meanings of the word. He felt the entity reach out and strike at him. An attempt to taint TalOS’s own soul. But its attack withered as it followed through the string of code to his body. It was of the Warp, and he was the nullifier.

With a push of TalOS’s will be slammed the program with dozens of attacks, sacraments, and cnticles. Declarations and authorities began to ebb at the creature as TalOS finally found the chink in the armor if the Daemon.

And just like anything else in the Universe, TalOS killed it.

TalOS would need to clean things up so the Daemon did not regenerate from its scrap code. It was dead though and that is what mattered.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sun 15 May 2022 02:59:15 No.5267912 Report

TalOS returned to a stunned Court. Each and every one of the Tech Priests looked upon him with complete awe as TalOS withdrew his mechanrite.

+It's… it’s gone.+ One of the Magos declared as he almost fell back, +The chatter. It is no longer there!+

And like that the most amount of emotions TalOS had seen from Tech Priests began to erupt from the Court as they all abandoned their seats and walked before TalOS. The Priests bowed to the Arch Dominus of Lucius in an expression of eternal thanks.

+You… you have killed it…+ The Fabricator Lord said as he too bowed, +Eternity… it would never leave. We can cleanse our systems…+

+This is the moment I give you, of absolution of the Machine God delivered through my hands.+

+You are truly… the son of the Omnissiah.+ Declared the Fabricator Lord before he spoke again, +Or… are you him instead?+

TalOS looked upon them with a moment’s thought. Such words were something that TalOS did not expect to hear for he did not even have divine help. Then again, it is comprehension and knowledge that is divine. Through this divinity TalOS did indeed kill the Psyber-Daemon.

+Rise.+ TalOS told them as he looked upon them, +Rise and face me.+

The Priests did as they were told. Each and every one of them expressed some form of devotion to TalOS even as they bore their faces at him.

+We must move forward.+ TalOS declared to those before him, +With your systems cleansed any records of your sins will be erased overnight. We shall devise a scheme to cover the truth, likely a Technology or something the Martians thought you were hoarding. Your past will be that of a dalek ship that was affected by time, and I can see about linking its records with that of either Lucius, Mars, or another minor Forge World.+

+Then… how must… we enter?+ Asked the Fabricator Lord, +How… will we re enter society?+

>Under Mars, we can pressure Mars into giving you a seat in Parliament due to the precedent set by Lucius.
>Under Lucius, for you will be partners in the Federation.
>Under TalOS and the second Legion, for we have plans.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9p/p+gHP Sun 15 May 2022 03:02:10 No.5267924 Report

Quoted By: >>5268926

>>5267912
>Under TalOS and the second Legion, for we have plans.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Sun 15 May 2022 03:04:58 No.5267928 Report

Quoted By: >>5268926

>>5267912
>Under Lucius, for you will be partners in the Federation.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TL/saIlR Sun 15 May 2022 03:22:54 No.5267963 Report

Quoted By: >>5268926

>>5267912
>Under Lucius, for you will be partners in the Federation.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:8mKgPoHX Sun 15 May 2022 03:36:06 No.5267976 Report

Quoted By: >>5268926

>>5267912
>Under TalOS and the second Legion, for we have plans.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fR+yno8R Sun 15 May 2022 04:05:38 No.5268017 Report

Quoted By: >>5268926

>>5267912
>Under Lucius, for you will be partners in the Federation.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Sun 15 May 2022 04:08:26 No.5268026 Report

Quoted By: >>5268926

>>5267912
>Under Lucius, for you will be partners in the Federation.
they will have more support this way and I'm sure they would do almost anything we asked of them anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:4ZcLdPH3 Sun 15 May 2022 04:18:51 No.5268051 Report

Quoted By: >>5268926

>>5267912
>Under Lucius, for you will be partners in the Federation.

I'd rather we start our own forges as our own fiefs, this forgeworld would give Lucius a huge prestige and power boost for expansion into the sector we need to colonise.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:l+t1mZ3h Sun 15 May 2022 04:34:35 No.5268071 Report

Quoted By: >>5268307 >>5268926

>>5267912
>Under Mars, we can pressure Mars into giving you a seat in Parliament due to the precedent set by Lucius.

Additional Ally in the court instead of vassal (It's said partner but we all know they will be essentially vassals to TalOS) is more needed, - with ally we could gather more support and political power from millennia established alliances; I fear that with vassal we would get immediate gains but it will close too many doors with traditionalists and so the support we gain for Lucius will be lesser than it could be.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:33ujogS6 Sun 15 May 2022 05:22:19 No.5268133 Report

Quoted By: >>5268926

>Under Mars, we can pressure Mars into giving you a seat in Parliament due to the precedent set by Lucius

The more allies we have. The easier to dislodge that fucker. The more likely dad will need to play ball with us. We are the Mechanicus. We are the avatar of the Omnissaiah

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Sun 15 May 2022 07:26:53 No.5268233 Report

Quoted By: >>5268926

>>5267912
>>Under Mars, we can pressure Mars into giving you a seat in Parliament due to the precedent set by Lucius.

They have enough power and presence to make this relevant and i rather have an eternal friendship between Lucius and Xana as the bedrock to rebuild the Mechanicus on than make the same mistakes Mars made.
Also i bet once we reach Mars we discover that the priests that fled to Xana back then did so out of unjustified persecution, cause that is typically how Chaos works, find injustice and turn it into heresy.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dlIWFprB Sun 15 May 2022 08:35:39 No.5268270 Report

Quoted By: >>5268483 >>5268926

>>5267912
>Under mars
I'd like lucius, but this should mend some issues and increase our influence.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:vpjAmc1j Sun 15 May 2022 09:13:27 No.5268297 Report

Quoted By: >>5268404

>>5267912
>Under TalOS and the second Legion, for we have plans.
Xana is to be the place we do our most delicate stuff right? We really need to openly exert as much control over it as we can in that case. Damn Mars, we're not trying to be friends with it we're going to try and get in there and cleanse it. Plus we can't yet trust Mars won't be sending their own hostile agents into Xana.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Sti6/LwI Sun 15 May 2022 09:40:37 No.5268307 Report

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>>5268071
I think QM is being literal here if we say "under Mars" he actually means giving Xana over to control of Mars. When we just called Mars fools earlier and also plan to make our precious null tech here.

Will QM permit us to doublespeak though? Can we be more specific like "you will tell them Mars, but for all intents and purposes I have plans for you and my legion. I will work to get you a seat in Parliament"

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fIJklXHQ Sun 15 May 2022 09:42:46 No.5268308 Report

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>>5267912
>Under Lucius, for you will be partners in the Federation.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Sti6/LwI Sun 15 May 2022 10:02:16 No.5268319 Report

Quoted By: >>5268454

>>5267912
>Under TalOS and the second Legion, for we have plans.
I think in the long run this is better. We do have plans and we cant just let Mars have authority on Xana to pry into our secrets.

Perturabo Appreciater

Perturabo Appreciater ID:g1rGs+J3 Sun 15 May 2022 10:04:07 No.5268320 Report

Quoted By: >>5268325 >>5268326 >>5268334 >>5268392 >>5268926

>>5267912
Oh, i don't like any of these options. All of them seem to have some pretty major consequences if the imperium or mechanicus were ever to look upon us unkindly.

The first one is the one i am most split about, for while it will give them the chance to repent for their actions and the mechanicus might even accept Xana having a seat in parliament, the magos currently hovering over the planet is not going to be happy with us and is most likely going to continue his search of Xana's true secret.. Either because of spite towards us, or because it is MIGHTILY suspicious that we simply arrive on planet and immediately get them to surrender their secret.

The second option is the one i actually like the most, but it still has some major consequences by taking it. First up, getting another forge world in our federation is very nice and would be a very valuable ally in the times that we know are to come. Next, Mars is going to freak the fuck out seeing us go around and take the allegiance of forge world's away. They will most likely assume, rightly, that we are trying to take away their status as Hegemon in the mechanicus. So, lots of potential problems with the priests of Mars if we do this.

The last choice, where we put them under TalOS, is the most terrible one we could ever take. Why? Because it will set the precedent that primarchs and their legions can surplant the leadership of the mechanicus and, with either force or diplomacy, put forge world's under their control. Very bad and could possibly lead to a schism between the machanicus and imperium. Hell, there might even be war between them.

Considering all of this, i think i will support:
>Under Lucius, for you will be partners in the Federation.

It will lead to some major complications with the priests of Mars, but it is the one with the least major immediate conflicts. Atleast from what i can see.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:T91XMfTh Sun 15 May 2022 10:08:40 No.5268324 Report

Quoted By: >>5268926

>>5267912
>Under Lucius, for you will be partners in the Federation.

QMColony

QMColony ID:g1rGs+J3 Sun 15 May 2022 10:09:35 No.5268325 Report

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>>5268320
Also as a sidenote, if we do get Xana into our federation, should we rename our federation to something else since we might continue getting more forge world's under our banner?

If we do, might i suggest we rename ourselves to "The Star League"

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Sti6/LwI Sun 15 May 2022 10:11:15 No.5268326 Report

Quoted By: >>5268329

>>5268320
I mean we are a Techpriest first before we are a Primarch. We can say the other Primarchs are not techpriests. So they dont count

Perturabo Appreciater

Perturabo Appreciater ID:g1rGs+J3 Sun 15 May 2022 10:19:48 No.5268329 Report

Quoted By: >>5268334

>>5268326
That may work, but it will still be a very hard sell to pull off. We are after all the Arch Dominus of Lucius, not the Fabricator General or something of that caliber and our surplanting of leadership on an independent Forge World such as Xana may set off some warnings in our fellows heads. It is afterall a major step outside our authority. Bringing in worlds under the banner of Lucius is fine with our leadership, but getting our own fief, a Forge world at that, which is not part of the federation?

There will have to be A LOT of explaining to do, if that is the path we choose.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:15ydB3xE Sun 15 May 2022 10:23:12 No.5268331 Report

Quoted By: >>5268926

>>5267912
>>Under Mars, we can pressure Mars into giving you a seat in Parliament due to the precedent set by Lucius.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sun 15 May 2022 10:24:41 No.5268334 Report

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>>5268320
Very valid points, and pauses me to think. I kinda wanna lean towards the Xana option and I'll explain my reasonings a bit more. I would also argue that we can use the Emperor's own words to indicate that politically we aren't a "Primarch of the Imperium" but a Techpriest.

The Emperor did give us full authority and independence, specifically noting we aren't going to be truly a part of our brothers though we work with them.

>>5268329
Yeah there will be a lot of explaining to do, but that's just what we and our brothers do anyway. Shake things up and tell em our reasons and damn the naysayers.

We can also ask Xana to give us a title from their planet, rather than using our Authority as Arch Dominus of Lucius we could say we are doing it as "Arch Techsorcists of Xana" given our miraculous exorcism and purification of the planet.

It would fit well with our goal of transforming it from a dying world to a thriving world.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sun 15 May 2022 10:36:32 No.5268343 Report

Quoted By: >>5268367

I would consider what we probably want to do with Xana as goals before deciding what political statement they should make

#1 Xana being far away from anywhere else is ideal for secret projects, particularly of the Null variety. Out of the way of the astronomican, distanced from most other sectors, right at the edge of the Galaxy
#2 We therefore want to secure it for said secret projects, not just militarily but politically and securities wise. We will want to make it as impregnable to espionage and spying as we can, with as little risk to anyone just exerting their authority on it besides us and maybe Malcador who we will invite his Pariah Project on (ideally)
#3 We should achieve this in such a way while simultaneously achieving our political goals of gathering more forge worlds under our banner. Not necessarily as vassals to us directly, but to where we have enough voices in the wider mechanicum at large to give us great influence on Mars
#4 plus we also want to convince Lucius to invest its resources into Xana, given we are somewhat reliant on our good reputation and history among them and our charisma but still

Now unless I am grossly mistaken about these being our goals, we can consider which of the three options best fits said goals with the most pro's and the least con's.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:tTMpHMxs Sun 15 May 2022 10:42:14 No.5268346 Report

Quoted By: >>5268926

>>5267912
>Under Lucius, for you will be partners in the Federation.

Perturabo Appreciater

Perturabo Appreciater ID:g1rGs+J3 Sun 15 May 2022 11:20:49 No.5268367 Report

Quoted By: >>5268371 >>5268382

>>5268343
Hmm, very true, we probably should make our goals with Xana clear before truly making our votes count.

>#1
I agree, Xana is a ideal place to start and operate secret and clandestine projects... once we have removed all the Cha... I mean Aethyric radiation, plaguing this world.

>#2
Again, i agree with this. To further add on to this, i would like to not only secure the Forge world, but the entire solar system and convert it into a research facility of a truly grand scale. Turning entire moons proto-planets/dwarf-planets into giant partical accelerators to find out the secrets of the universe, to turn asteroids into huge interconnected inter-solar facilities where we can observe the universe and experiment with the foundations and reasons why our STC tech works. To, in simpler terms, follow in the steps of the Ancients in the most literal sense of the word. To do what they did and thereby get closer to the Machine God.

>#3
I halfheartedly agree with this. While it would be great to be able to influence Mars and their politics, i would rather we do our expansion and allying not as a tool to gain political power, but as our whole purpose. That we gather them, forge world an other, should ot be a means to an end, but should rather be the end itself. For it is through unity that we shall become greater, for just as a machine is made in many small parts, it is only through their united effort that they can work and thereby fulfill their divine purpose.

>#4
Yes, this is an unfortunate dilemma of our situation. We have tied ourselves so strongly to Lucius that we have lost some options that we might have had if we were more independent. Although, on the flipside, we might have never done some of the things we have if not for this strong bond, so, you win some, you lose some.

All of these points are in my view very valid, but i would like to add to them

#5 We wish to remove the taint of Aethyric radiation from Xana and all other places that we meet. This means that we will have to carry a lot of Null-tech with us, but since we are only one man we can not make all of it and therefore need a place that can produce it in truly staggering amounts. This means we will need a place to make it and the resources to do it. Xana fulfills both of these points.

Perturabo Appreciater

Perturabo Appreciater ID:g1rGs+J3 Sun 15 May 2022 11:25:58 No.5268371 Report

Quoted By: >>5268382

>>5268367
All of this atleast makes me think that the choice o have them be part of our Federation is the best solution presented to us. They will get support and resources, without being pressured by a political elite that is to proud and self-centered than is good.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sun 15 May 2022 11:53:15 No.5268382 Report

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>>5267905
"Indeed creating AI and cloning"
I presume QM also means "mass cloning" since it seems that small scale cloning of intelligent techpriests gets a pass in the lore, but the references seem to indicate not cloning an entire planet because of the risks.

>>5268367
>>5268371
I suppose then my only concern is, are we going to be losing any control or influence over Xana directly by having them under Lucius vs having them openly under ourselves.

Can we achieve them politically being under Lucius but practically install whatever laws and exemptions in the framework of the Federation that we basically can still keep things tip top secret and confidential so no one can say, try to manipulate the federation into revealing Xana's/our precious secrets that way.

I hate spies and saboteurs or people meddling in our affairs, so if the Lucius option can still achieve us complete and total security and control over Xana then I'd vote it.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sun 15 May 2022 12:03:20 No.5268391 Report

Quoted By: >>5268392 >>5268404 >>5268436 >>5268444 >>5268454 >>5268480 >>5268483 >>5268530 >>5268537 >>5268595 >>5268676 >>5268926

>>5267912
>Under Lucius, for you will be partners in the Federation.
>However, inside Lucius, I will petition myself to be Arch Techsorcist of Xana and the Federation and Xana as my administrative zone
Just realized the BEST way to achieve as much bureacratic stonewalls in the way of people prying into Lucius.

First to the public at large, Xana is part of the Federation, thus the clutches of mars have one first hurdle to cover. Then even if somehow they gain influence in the Federation and Lucius, we place it under our control inside the federation.

We surely have earned the right to be an Arch Techsorcist by both exorcising an entire planet and also being the creator and proponent of Null Tech which banishes daemon-viruses.

Perturabo Appreciater

Perturabo Appreciater ID:g1rGs+J3 Sun 15 May 2022 12:05:40 No.5268392 Report

Quoted By: >>5268926

>>5268391
You know what, that is a geat compromise!

I am going to rescind my vote at >>5268320 and isnstead support this.

>support

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:vpjAmc1j Sun 15 May 2022 12:20:44 No.5268403 Report

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That seems a much better compromise to achieve as much shroud around Xana as we can, while not setting a bad precedence to let our brothers take over their own forge worlds.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:vpjAmc1j Sun 15 May 2022 12:21:49 No.5268404 Report

Quoted By: >>5268926

>>5268297
>Switch to support >>5268391

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:OK9VYFAJ Sun 15 May 2022 13:08:21 No.5268436 Report

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Supporting now
>>5268391

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dlIWFprB Sun 15 May 2022 13:14:26 No.5268444 Report

Quoted By: >>5268454 >>5268473

>>5268391
What is the benefit? The forgeworld still answers to Lucius, it wouldnt be a personal domain.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:O6OxcQ6D Sun 15 May 2022 13:21:57 No.5268454 Report

Quoted By: >>5268926

>>5268319
>change to >>5268391
This provides the most protection by not just our control but Lucius to shield it.
>>5268444
We can work use the framework of Lucius using our connections and influence to in essence make it a personal domain. We a pretty much a hero and a savior on both our homeworld and here.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sun 15 May 2022 13:42:20 No.5268473 Report

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>>5268444
We can make it our personal domain inside Lucius while overtly claiming it a part of the Federation.

Thus we stay within the line of Admech sphere of influence rather than exerting any rights as a Primarch.

Basically, think of King Leopold and the Belgian Congo. Politically its a territory of Belgium, effectively it's a possession of Leopold. . .only we don't do the whole slavery bit but actually improve the place.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:6FhbGcRV Sun 15 May 2022 13:59:57 No.5268480 Report

Quoted By: >>5268926

>>5268391
>Supporting
Pretty sure this is just gonna get grouped the "Under Lucius" votes but just in case there is a significant difference. Talos as Arch Techsorcist is a nice new title to add on to his repertoire and fits because of how much he hates demons and warpspawn.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dlIWFprB Sun 15 May 2022 14:05:39 No.5268483 Report

Quoted By:

I am convinced
>>5268270 to support >>5268391

They will probably agree with this, since a personal protection of a miracle maker is a great deal.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Sun 15 May 2022 14:55:08 No.5268530 Report

Quoted By: >>5268543

>>5268391
ok that is valid idea, the thing we have to be careful since it *will* ruffle feathers, of course on Mars but also somewhat on Lucius so we can't easily do this again.

And i realized that Xana, as a planet dedicated and protected by Null tech would be a perfect place to keep the children! It would be a place were their "curse/gift" would actually be appreciated and welcomed.

Machine QM

Machine QM ID:SU44s9B0 Sun 15 May 2022 15:01:29 No.5268537 Report

Quoted By: >>5268544 >>5268550 >>5268591 >>5268599 >>5268617

>>5268391
You know that's just saying TalOS owns it right? Your tryin to be cheeky but it's fucky at best and Xana wouldn't get any voting rights. This in turn defeats the point of a partnership.

It would be better to say TalOS personally oversees happenings between Xana and Lucius so he can personally support large amounts of interactions.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sun 15 May 2022 15:06:20 No.5268543 Report

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>>5268530
Imagine if we could make it into the Sisters of Silence only recruiting world? By having even a fraction of a percentage of a chance of Nulls being born here by merit of how many live and make families here.

Also one more thing I just realized. Know what else is in the Halo Stars? The forgeworld of Palomar! (the 30k interactive map has it in ultima segmentum, but having read the book and from the wiki it's actually in Segmentum Pacificus)

Know what's on it? The lost arkship Speranza! The largest known Ark Mechanicus in the lore. The Onus Probandi is good, but it is no Ark Lucius. But what if we found a new one? To find such a lost relic would surely increase our legitimacy, even if it will take time to recover and restore to space worthiness we could at least discover it so Lucius can work on repairing it while we continue our adventures.

The Blackstone Fortress is a bit too big and slow for fast travel but we do need a proper Primarch worthy flagship one day. Maybe we could even coax the Onus Probandi to allow us to add itself onto the Speranza, and merge its machine spirit into the vessel? That could speed up its reconstruction.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sun 15 May 2022 15:07:24 No.5268544 Report

Quoted By: >>5268599

>>5268537
>It would be better to say TalOS personally oversees happenings between Xana and Lucius so he can personally support large amounts of interactions.
Do that then, spirit of the word not the letter of it I say. That works better.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EsXjo4wi Sun 15 May 2022 15:13:44 No.5268550 Report

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>>5268537
That is the better way to go about it. It should be perfectly okay for you the read the intent of what players are hoping to achieve well and implement in a good way Talos would. Which is trying to keep Xana close but still give it place and voice inside Lucius, and out of the influence of Mars. Letting them have a vote but with Talos being able to oversee any major interactions sits right with me.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:6FhbGcRV Sun 15 May 2022 15:51:13 No.5268591 Report

Quoted By:

>>5268537
I'm fine with Talos just overseeing instead of denying Xana voting rights.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:tTMpHMxs Sun 15 May 2022 15:52:47 No.5268595 Report

Quoted By:

>>5268391
Support

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Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Sun 15 May 2022 15:53:08 No.5268598 Report

Quoted By: >>5268601

>>5267912
>+You are truly… the son of the Omnissiah.+ Declared the Fabricator Lord before he spoke again, +Or… are you him instead?+
やばい!!!!やばいやばい

This feels like when Peter asked Jesus to run away and the latter was tempted

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Perturabo Appreciater ID:g1rGs+J3 Sun 15 May 2022 15:54:13 No.5268599 Report

Quoted By:

>>5268537
>>5268544
Yep, overseeing is fine, no need to rule Xana

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Perturabo Appreciater ID:g1rGs+J3 Sun 15 May 2022 15:55:14 No.5268601 Report

Quoted By: >>5268603

>>5268598
That is a wild ass picture!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Sun 15 May 2022 15:56:46 No.5268603 Report

Quoted By: >>5268606

>>5268601
I didn't find one that really conveyed the feeling of recognizing temptation and a chance of sinning and running away from it. So we have a baby bear instead! Pretend the animal is a deamonette or something

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Sun 15 May 2022 15:58:27 No.5268606 Report

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>>5268603
Deamonette wouldn't prompt running away fro- I mean, i would shoot her immediatly Sir!

*BLAM*ing in the distance

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sun 15 May 2022 16:09:12 No.5268615 Report

Quoted By: >>5268629

Talos wouldn't be tempted by daemons or daemonettes, things of the warp!

But he might be tempted by Crypteks, possibly. Depending on the cron diplomacy route we take and he's either trying to learn from them or hunt them down and eat their cybernetic brains

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dlIWFprB Sun 15 May 2022 16:10:44 No.5268617 Report

Quoted By: >>5268619

>>5268537
It is an attempt to create a legal buffer between them and mars. So as long as that works, then we're good.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Sun 15 May 2022 16:12:12 No.5268619 Report

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>>5268617
Yeah, once we have sorted out Mars's arrogance, hypocracy and most of all idiocy, they can join normally under Mars if they want imo. Until then tho ...

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Perturabo Appreciater ID:g1rGs+J3 Sun 15 May 2022 16:21:51 No.5268629 Report

Quoted By: >>5268634 >>5268645 >>5268648

>>5268615

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Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Sun 15 May 2022 16:26:02 No.5268633 Report

Quoted By: >>5268657 >>5268926

>>5267912
A honest clandestine research is done in foreign soil unrelated to your country 100% yes sir!! See gringoland's biolabs in ukraine. I think there were six of 'em. Destroyed in the first week of the invasion Xana II has the skill and subterfuge to hide whatever nastyness we need them to while entertaining Mars as one of their fold.

I greatly fear that we the players are isolating TalOS and his federation waaaaaaaaay too much from Mars and their cult. On more than one ocasion we've expressed our intent of preventing the schism, but it may seem we are becoming the very thing that we swore to destroy. I tell you anon, we must be diplomatic and that means making concession. I can only see us losing it all in our quest of winning everything.
>>Under Mars, we can pressure Mars into giving you a seat in Parliament due to the precedent set by Lucius.

Careful, this doesn't mean we will lose Xana II but rather we will have a much needed ally in Mars. Following on that, maybe it is in our interest freeing Mezoa. That would be a third agent to influence Mars. I have a wish! And that is to put TalOS Dav1s at the seat without spilling a single drop of oil.

Also I put lelith in there, very temptingin 1440p

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Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Sun 15 May 2022 16:26:22 No.5268634 Report

Quoted By: >>5268662

>>5268629
>UZI reaction

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Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Sun 15 May 2022 16:38:55 No.5268645 Report

Quoted By: >>5268651

>>5268629
Have you heard of lolicron

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Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Sun 15 May 2022 16:40:19 No.5268648 Report

Quoted By: >>5268652

>>5268629
and stupid and sexy... flayed ones...

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Perturabo Appreciater ID:g1rGs+J3 Sun 15 May 2022 16:46:35 No.5268651 Report

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>>5268645
i like my necrons a bit more developed ;D

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sun 15 May 2022 16:47:18 No.5268652 Report

Quoted By: >>5268655 >>5268661

>>5268648
Everyones... interest has been noticed a while ago and has been noted. It shall all start in the next update.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Sun 15 May 2022 16:48:19 No.5268655 Report

Quoted By:

>>5268652
Necrons, finally???? Ye- I mean NO, HERESY

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:O6OxcQ6D Sun 15 May 2022 16:48:30 No.5268657 Report

Quoted By: >>5268664

>>5268633
We truly cannot prevent the schism. Maybe even Talos can see the signs or when he and Guilliman come up with a strategios algorithm realize there will be a Mechanicum civil war sooner or later. Our goal is to mitigate and shrink the traitors and grow the size of Talos supporters as far as possible. To put as many cards in our hands for when that day comes and give us options.

It's the Bamtan contingency planning applied to the entire Mechanicum.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:O6OxcQ6D Sun 15 May 2022 16:50:07 No.5268661 Report

Quoted By: >>5268667 >>5268754

>>5268652
Oh fuck oh shit we are totally not ready for this.

We might want to start planning now what Talos stance on Necrons should be. There's going to be a LOT of questions and debate...

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Perturabo Appreciater ID:g1rGs+J3 Sun 15 May 2022 16:50:34 No.5268662 Report

Quoted By:

>>5268634
Nah nah, she wouldn't care, since she knows that it's not the size of your cogitators that matters to TalOS, it's how you use them!

Also, all tech priests are basically technophiles of the highest order and would LOVE to be made of metal

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Sun 15 May 2022 16:51:45 No.5268664 Report

Quoted By: >>5268674

>>5268657
I know we can't you dummy chocolate muffin. I want TalOS not BEING the schism which would be very fitting for the grimdark storytelling. One of the lost primarchs, being all that is good and pure. An excellent priest of the Machine God... causing the schism because of his own hubris. If we enchance the storytelling it would be way better than the actual schism, because it would be our good side v/s the other side who is also good (Mars) but they are not us so fuck them WE are the ones calling the shots

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Perturabo Appreciater ID:g1rGs+J3 Sun 15 May 2022 16:55:37 No.5268667 Report

Quoted By: >>5268670

>>5268661
Well, if we go by the literal definiton of what the priests of the mechanicum follows, then the necrons are a no go, since they embody the term "alien mechanism".

ALTHOUGH, we could most likely make an exception out of it, if we get our hands on some of their tech and "purify" it of all its unknown mechanisms and Xenos influence. We have after all done that before with the Blackstone Fortress, we just simply have to do it again with all the necron tech we find/salvage. After all, necrons are prodigious users of blackstone that is negatively charged, so we can easily show that the tech isn't corrupted by the war and that it is simply a divine invention that has been made by sinful hands and taken down the road of self-aggrandisement instead of the divine and rightious path that the Mechanicus preach!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Sun 15 May 2022 16:58:38 No.5268670 Report

Quoted By: >>5268675

>>5268667
The thing is, "alien mechanism" only applies to the machine itself, not the functioning principle, meaning if we can dissect and reproduce it with mechanicus parts its not "alien" anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:O6OxcQ6D Sun 15 May 2022 17:03:51 No.5268674 Report

Quoted By: >>5268686 >>5268754

>>5268664
I like to think of it more like Odin from God of War. He knows the ragnarok is coming. But he gathers all warriors to his side, and tries to pick the time and the place for it to occur by controlling the signs and prophecies.

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Perturabo Appreciater ID:g1rGs+J3 Sun 15 May 2022 17:03:58 No.5268675 Report

Quoted By: >>5268760

>>5268670
Yes, that is why i said that if we got our hands on some necron tech we can possibly "purify" it, just like we did with the Blackstone Fortress.

You have to remember, we might quite easily make it so that the necron tech we find operates on STC principles, but if the rest of the Mechanicus doesn't deem it "Pure", then we aren't going to be able to use it openly.

We might have to make a certain code/set or instructions to follow whenever any of our soldiers or fellow tech priest find workable necron tech, so that we can go out to it and learn what it does and then "purify" it of any lingering xenos taint.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ntozOKsv Sun 15 May 2022 17:04:03 No.5268676 Report

Quoted By: >>5268926

>>5268391
>support

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Perturabo Appreciater ID:g1rGs+J3 Sun 15 May 2022 17:09:32 No.5268686 Report

Quoted By: >>5268709

>>5268674
Do you think it would be possible for TalOS to just step out of the war and say "nope! this is not my fight!", since we technically aren't afforded the same rights/principles and expectations that are laid on regular primarchs?

Would be cool if we could just go around with a massive fleet in the Lucian Federation and ensure that the enitrety of humanity isn't fucked over in the immediate and far future.

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Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Sun 15 May 2022 17:24:06 No.5268709 Report

Quoted By: >>5268739

>>5268686
And do no real attempt to stop chaos from consuming humanity?
Doing what, pic related? I mean... I would

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Perturabo Appreciater ID:g1rGs+J3 Sun 15 May 2022 18:06:21 No.5268739 Report

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>>5268709
Yeah, that! i want us to do that!

desu, i have actually done that and it is nice, and i dont mean like nice nice, i mean it is the best thing since sliced bread nice.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:vqziO2bF Sun 15 May 2022 18:24:41 No.5268753 Report

Quoted By: >>5268755 >>5268761

I honestly think Talos would have a more favorable view on the Necrons than almost any other alien species.. What that will mean, if anything to our relations with them, idk. I think it will really depend on who we get to meet, but we'll be interested in the tech without a doubt..

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sun 15 May 2022 18:26:08 No.5268754 Report

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>>5268674
I like to think of it more like House and the Great War. He knows its coming, but he wants to bury as many securitrons and get the Lucky 38 equipped to shoot down as many nukes as he can, and have the Platinum Chip ready plus freeze his body for long term survival.

>>5268661
Damn this really is going to happen a lot earlier than I hoped too.

Well, might as well do an opinion check.

If the Silent King were to approach Talos Sanguineous style or we were to encounter a tomb or something, what would Talos stance be?

Do you guys want to:
-Cordial neutrality. As a rule of thumb we don't chase them and they mostly don't chase us.. Because they hate the Warp too. Enemy of enemy
-Trad Mechanicus "fuck you xenos". Take their shit and steal their stuff wherever we find them. The Cawl way where we slowly plan to take over and conquer as many blackstone structures and pylons as we can.
-Something else? Heresy? I hope not. I want loyalist Talos. . .

The Blood Angels will fight necrons whenever some dynasties get hostile and start attacking Imperial space, but the necrons sorta just try not to bother them too much because of the good talks between the Angel and the Silent Kind. Well, the Szarekh Dynasty at least. Flayers, Destroyers and other hostiles can get fucked. And having cordial relations of any kind (like Guilliman and the Eldar perhaps) means more direct access to their knowledge. Of course conversely, this is risky as fuck if anybody finds out (which is why the Angel kept it a secret) and even Guilliman is weary to be pawns of Xenos.

Of course, the trad route is more straight forward. Kill and take em apart when you see them for every scrap of tech. But that might have some also bad consequences in the long run.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Sun 15 May 2022 18:26:58 No.5268755 Report

Quoted By: >>5268764

>>5268753
I did have the idea of when/if we meet Trazyn, if we figure out his obsession for collecting ultra rare things, offering TaL0S lost arm in exchange for some assistence

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:vqziO2bF Sun 15 May 2022 18:28:56 No.5268760 Report

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>>5268675
We would probably need to do this anyways to reproduce anything we learn on a useful scale as well.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sun 15 May 2022 18:29:04 No.5268761 Report

Quoted By: >>5268790 >>5268791

>>5268753
That would be the Guilliman/Sanguneous style xenos diplomacy I feel.
"Allies of Convenience" kept to the uttermost strictest of secrecies. Silence anyone or anything that even remotely rumors of it, and we still attack any hostiles (just like Indomitus era Imperium still fights the Eldar when they attack Imperials). Szarekh will be a bit like our Eldrad or Yvrainne.

Of course, I still predict we'll probably encounter a Tomb world and see some skulking about or maybe even find a place under attack by strange metallic constructs and we debate whether or not we as players want to shoot or try and capture. If we even have that choice. Might be the first necrons we encounter as just outright hostile. That would actually be easier because we can easily justify shooting back and it doesn't technically wreck relation possibilities.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sun 15 May 2022 18:32:59 No.5268764 Report

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>>5268755
Trazyn is one of the most dangerous beings in the universe. Depending on the writer, he could pose a serious threat to a Primarch if backed up by his forces. The dude with enough planning and toys can zap a Primarch into his box. Same goes for Orikan who is a true technosorceror with powers that would make Talos boil with envy. Neither are invincible and there are ways to beat them but it'd be a hell of a fight.

A true Primarch surrounded by his allies might put up a better fight than an ambushed Fulgrim clone admittedly, especially Talos with his paranoia. But still, I'd be weary as shit around him or any Necron Lord.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Sun 15 May 2022 19:06:42 No.5268790 Report

Quoted By: >>5268798

>>5268761
>Szarekh will be a bit like our Eldrad or Yvrainne.
TalOS going on a "super secret artiafact recovery mission" that he must go alone, alone super alone.
>The Silent King waiting for TalOS, dressed in a babydoll. Rose petals forming a path from the entrance of the blackstone-asteroid mimicry to the king's... chambers.
Oh god my eyes. I can't share this burden alone, so I must post it

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Sun 15 May 2022 19:07:49 No.5268791 Report

Quoted By:

>>5268761
>Inb4 the first necrons we find arek8 the flesh ones

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Sun 15 May 2022 19:13:00 No.5268798 Report

Quoted By: >>5268811

>>5268790
You and especially your imagination are the true villains of this story ...

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Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Sun 15 May 2022 19:21:13 No.5268811 Report

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>>5268798

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Perturabo Appreciater ID:g1rGs+J3 Sun 15 May 2022 20:57:36 No.5268886 Report

Quoted By: >>5268890 >>5268897

So, i have 2 ideas for how we might meet the alluded to necrons.

#1: We are going to accidentally warp in over either the planet of Bekyra (where the awakened council currently hold their meetings) or Agun (the planet with the rusting necrons from knights of macragge
Dont actually remember where the planet is, but i am too lazy to look through the book ).

#2: One of our planets in the Lucian Federation is a tomb world (if so, i bet it is the hive world).

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Sun 15 May 2022 21:01:06 No.5268890 Report

Quoted By: >>5268898

>>5268886
3: We fly our blackstone fortress near their territory, and an Old One alarm awakens a dynasty. But they notice that shit is now null instead of psyker active.

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Perturabo Appreciater ID:g1rGs+J3 Sun 15 May 2022 21:05:29 No.5268897 Report

Quoted By:

>>5268886
In the #1 option, there are actual a few more planets that it could be:
It could also be Sarkon(which are full of completely mindless necrons, easy pickings for a primarch that knows his technology/coding) or Naogeddon (Where the C'tan known as the deceiver is sleeping which we should avoid at all costs because NOPE!) or Kinbriar (Which is very close to the Halo stars and therefore also very close to us.)

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Perturabo Appreciater ID:g1rGs+J3 Sun 15 May 2022 21:06:42 No.5268898 Report

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>>5268890
When the hairless monkeys learn how to weaponize the tools of your most ancient enemy:

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sun 15 May 2022 21:30:59 No.5268926 Report

Quoted By: >>5268933

Under TalOS
>>5267924
>>5267976

Under Lucius
>>5267928
>>5267963
>>5268017
>>5268026
>>5268051
>>5268404
>>5268454
>>5268320
>>5268324
>>5268346
>>5268391
>>5268480
>>5268676

Under Mars
>>5268071
>>5268233
>>5268270
>>5268331
>>5268633
>>5268133
>>5268392

Interesting...

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Perturabo Appreciater ID:g1rGs+J3 Sun 15 May 2022 21:41:06 No.5268933 Report

Quoted By: >>5268935

>>5268926
Uhmm, QM, i think you have counted wrong, since one of my votes lie in the "Under Mars" barcket, when it is a "Qrite-in/Under lucius" vote.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sun 15 May 2022 21:42:41 No.5268935 Report

Quoted By: >>5268936

>>5268933
Doesn't matter, and I told you all how to change your votes.

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Perturabo Appreciater ID:g1rGs+J3 Sun 15 May 2022 21:44:29 No.5268936 Report

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>>5268935
Fair

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sun 15 May 2022 23:15:51 No.5269017 Report

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What little light the planet of Xana could get glowed upon the landing pad today as several shuttles landed themselves in the major city. These were the Martians, and soon they converged upon the location that was prepared for them.

The small and desolate Courthouse was the place they came towards. Their red robes contrasted the darkness that seemed to ebb from all corners of the planet. The serfs that all bore witness to the Tech Priest could not help but be in awe of the red robed figures.

They all arrived soon after landing with Magos Margin standing before them all. The one thing the Tech Priest noticed first and foremost was the guardians of the place was no longer the necrotic Skitarii that were native to Xana but instead massive figures wreathed in what looked to be a variation of terran pattern power armor.

These figures opened the door for the Priest just as the Skitarii did though. Soon he was allowed inside the place without a worry.

As the Priest looked around he noticed the Court of Xana II sitting down before him in their chairs. But next to the Fabricator Lord was the Primarch of the Second Legion. TaLOS DAV1S of Lucius.

TalOS noticed the Priest looked at him in particular as if trying to divine the situation that was occurring here, +Fabricator Lord Wilmar, you have called me down to make a declaration in person. Thus out of respect for your Priesthood I am here, explain yourselves.+

+We have… come to… a determination…+ Declared the withered Priest as he stood up that little straighter, +We will not be… joining Mars directly…+

+Just as you said many times before.+ Declared the Priest as his eyes began to glow a powerful red, +But something has changed. What is the relation between you and the Primarch?+

The Fabricator Lord nodded as he heard those words, +We, Xana II… have agreed with… the Arch Dominus of Lucius… to join his Federation.+

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sun 15 May 2022 23:16:52 No.5269018 Report

Quoted By: >>5269032

+You are… joining another Forge World!!+ The Priest almost blared his Vax Caster as he heard those words, +I have never heard of such a thing!!+

+During your absence from the rest of the galaxy things have changed.+ Declared TalOS as he stepped forward, +Under the declaration of Primarch Horus of the Fifteenth Legion the Federation of Lucius has been incorporated in the eyes of the Imperium of Mankind. We are a ruling entity, while under Mars, can have Forge Worlds that bow to us as well.+

+I-impossible! The Fabricator General would never have allowed it!+

+It is not his place to decide unless he wishes to bring doubt to the words of the Fifteenth Son of the Omnissiah.+ TalOS told the Priest outright, +Or are you calling me a liar?+

The implications were quickly made public upon that statement of TalOS. The Priest could tell this was not what the Fifteenth envisioned but the Primarch was not here to truly understand the meaning. Out of all of them TalOS technically held a title higher than them all, and if the Tech Priest was to call him a liar he would be calling all of Lucius liars.

That, and he was the son of the Omnissiah.

+This affair is above my rank to recognize. It shall be up to the Fabricator General and Parliament to recognize the vassalage. For the time, as Xana is now a part of the Mechanicum, I shall personally inform the Fabricator General.+

He was going right to the top, TalOS realized. Go right to the top to complain that TalOS took what was likely one of the greatest Forge Worlds they have yet to find.

There will be problems but if the Universe moves slow enough TalOS will have the advantage. Several Forge Worlds in support of Lucius above their Martian Overlords.

+Then we beckon you a goodbye.+ TalOS told the Priest as the Martian turned their backs to him and ran out the door in a fit of rage.

+We are… finished with them…+ The Fabricator Lord declared as he gave a solemn sigh, +Thank you… Arch Dominus.+

+You’re welcome.+ TalOS told the Fabricator Lord as their alliance was solidified.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sun 15 May 2022 23:18:47 No.5269020 Report

TalOS looked down upon the planet of Xana with a sense of familiarity now that was deeply missing from the time he was there. He knew the entire data sphere of the planet and understood its small intercities that made it distinct from Lucius. He felt that many others that were with the Primarch felt the same way as they looked down upon their planet from another people’s ship.

As Xana was now part of the Lucian Federation the first thing that needed to happen was a trading of diplomats with one another. On Xana TalOS left the Priests Lucian Priests as they gave him dozens of their own in return. These fellows he gained will open the embassy of Xana upon the planet of Lucius as well as represent them in the massive courts of Lucius.

TalOS wondered to himself, for a moment, how much further they would go. Maybe by the end of their voyage most of his crew would become Tech Priests not of Lucius but of every Forge World that TalOS had visited.

TalOS turned about and gave a nod to the Acillians before walking away from the window deeper into the ship. He only made it to the third step when he collapsed upon the ground.

The Primarch felt all of his systems and Machine Spirits began operating in a haywire manner. Though he commited all the rituals to keep them at peace with perfection the Machine Spirits seemingly quake in fear. TalOS’s own eyes began to grow fuzzy and gain a slight tint of green as he was quickly raised from the ground and placed on the shoulders of the two Steel Wardens that were with him.

The next few moments were a blur to the Primarch. Something that given his anatomy should not have happened at all. He saw reality shutter and quake as hundreds of runes began to inscribe themselves across his vision. But seeing them before his eyes was only the after effect as they were truly being drilled into his own mind.

He could barely see as Tech Priests and servitors got out of the Acillians' way while the occasional Serf was run down in a brutal stampede of Acillian feet. Barely Lucid, TalOS had to laugh that the Acillians simply ruled out that the death of a couple dozen deck hands was below the cost of himself.

That was the last moment of thought TalOS was allowed as he was engulfed in an oblivion of knowledge that had been sleeping for Decades. TalOS heard something that he could barely forget.

+My Prophet, this is my final gift to you. I can no longer fend the Knight off and from this time onwards my chains are tightened. Take this gift and defeat my ancient enemy with it.+

>TalOS’s private workshop, next to the plethora of Null Tech
>The infirmary, because it's the best place for it
>On the Command Throne so that the ship can take part of the burden.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dlIWFprB Sun 15 May 2022 23:22:24 No.5269024 Report

Quoted By: >>5270379

>>5269020
>The private workshop

WE ARE RECEIVING REVELATION!
TO OUR PLACE OF WORSHIP!
anyway, this won't kill us.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Sun 15 May 2022 23:27:50 No.5269029 Report

Quoted By: >>5270379

>>5269020
>TalOS’s private workshop, next to the plethora of Null Tech

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sun 15 May 2022 23:31:59 No.5269032 Report

Quoted By: >>5269035

>>5269018
You mean the Sixteenth Legion Luna Wolves, the Fifteenth are the Thousand Sons.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Sun 15 May 2022 23:33:26 No.5269034 Report

Quoted By: >>5269041 >>5270379

>>5269020
>TalOS’s private workshop, next to the plethora of Null Tech
Thanks Void Dragon, we are going to kill the warp with it

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sun 15 May 2022 23:33:43 No.5269035 Report

Quoted By:

>>5269032
shit

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:x+hl93ja Sun 15 May 2022 23:35:45 No.5269038 Report

Quoted By:

>>5269020

>TalOS’s private workshop, next to the plethora of Null Tech

Son of Nanomachine

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sun 15 May 2022 23:38:11 No.5269040 Report

Quoted By: >>5269042 >>5270379

>>5269020
>The infirmary, because it's the best place for it
Guys. . .I think this can be a step toward the immortality tech. What if this is the necrodermis upgrade?

We are already developing nulls and have a lead, but are nowhere even close to that level of increase-Talos-survivability upgrade.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dlIWFprB Sun 15 May 2022 23:38:53 No.5269041 Report

Quoted By:

>>5269034
I'm still hilariously amused by the fact that the perfect planet for our dark projects is a planet so utterly depressed that a pariah would LIVEN UP the place.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Sun 15 May 2022 23:39:49 No.5269042 Report

Quoted By: >>5269052

>>5269040
But what if it allows us to make ourselves a null too? QM said it was a possibility before.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:x+hl93ja Sun 15 May 2022 23:40:51 No.5269045 Report

Quoted By: >>5269047 >>5270379

>>5269020
>>5269044
>The infirmary, because it's the best place for it

Sorry QM, I'm fucking fucked from covid.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Sun 15 May 2022 23:42:09 No.5269047 Report

Quoted By:

>>5269045
Gope you get better soon anon.

Son of Nanomachine

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sun 15 May 2022 23:42:11 No.5269048 Report

Quoted By: >>5269049 >>5269052 >>5269055

My educated and totally not just guesses on the choices:

-Talos workshop null tech
NULL TECH (duh). Maybe the secrets of pylons and null generators tech style rather than biological pariah gene

-The infirarmy
Some sort of augment or survivability upgrade. Very very tempting. Also one of our major goals

-The Command Throne
AWAKEN, MACHINE SPIRIT OF THE BLACKSTONE FORTRESS.
Having a definitely-not-an-AI-but-a-machine-spirit of the Blackstone Fortress would be very useful for unlocking necron research, strengthening the power of the blackstone fortress and maybe even diplomacy.

We also have a new friend to talk with. And maybe UR025 won't be as mad for us massacring the original warp spirit of the blackstone fortress if we ever meet him...or want to meet him.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sun 15 May 2022 23:43:17 No.5269049 Report

Quoted By: >>5269053

>>5269048
Gotta be honest its who you are gonna talk to after this. I live the thought but I am giving you something better than all of these.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sun 15 May 2022 23:44:21 No.5269052 Report

Quoted By:

>>5269048
Plus if maybe it might have a map. A map that leads to all the secret hidden necron goodies scattered. A map that leads to the map of maps that is the Pharos!

Oh man all these choices if they are even remotely what they could mean are so good, I can't decide.

>>5269042
Yeah entirely valid. It could be the key to unlocking the pariah gene.

...these are all really good choices. I am leaning between the infirmary or the throne because well, a necron machine spirit able to point us in so many right directions and translate for us sounds really good too

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sun 15 May 2022 23:45:22 No.5269053 Report

Quoted By:

>>5269049
Oh. . .well, never mind them. I guess I was wrong lol

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Sun 15 May 2022 23:45:59 No.5269055 Report

Quoted By: >>5269121

>>5269048
We just got a vision from the Void Dragon, with him calling us his prophet, and UR is a convert of his.
So yes, I'm looking foward to that meeting.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sun 15 May 2022 23:47:32 No.5269059 Report

Quoted By: >>5269075 >>5269121

Also
"I can no longer fend the Knight off"

So THAT is why the Creator left in such a hurry...

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Mon 16 May 2022 00:02:22 No.5269075 Report

Quoted By: >>5269121

>>5269059
Dunno why you are hiding it, I alluded to it and you got it right.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TL/saIlR Mon 16 May 2022 00:12:30 No.5269085 Report

Quoted By: >>5270379

>>5269020
>TalOS’s private workshop, next to the plethora of Null Tech

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:8mKgPoHX Mon 16 May 2022 00:40:10 No.5269121 Report

Quoted By: >>5269174 >>5270379

>>5269020
>>TalOS’s private workshop, next to the plethora of Null Tech
IC they are going to assume it's warp fuckery and will surround Tal0S with as much null tech as possible.
OOC thanks void dragon.

Sounds like the Necrons will come to us. Since they will no doubt be tracking down traces of it and that will lead them directly to us. I wonder which dynasty will be roused to answer the call and find us first. Hmm guess we get to have a Necron Dynasty ally. How...unexpected. Especially so early on. Damn. Probably not the Silent King himself but a different Dynasty will make contact first.

>>5269059
>>5269075
Well that explains a lot. Guess Big E ain't gonna let us on Mars anytime soon though.

>>5269055
I've been wanting to chat with the larping Advanced AIs pretending to be Machine Spirits for a very long time myself. We have missed so damned many opportunities for it already. Those buggers are just so damned good at hiding even from Primarch's apparently.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:LMsjnKe5 Mon 16 May 2022 01:20:42 No.5269164 Report

Quoted By: >>5270379

>>5269020
>On the Command Throne so that the ship can take part of the burden.
I'm thinking there's alot of Data were somehow processing, maybe we can get the most relief by gaining more processing power.

Son of Nanomachine

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Mon 16 May 2022 01:29:34 No.5269174 Report

Quoted By: >>5269223

>>5269121
Truth be told, barring the Silent King himself, and of course this is just wild speculation. . .fuck Trazyn. You know who I think Talos would, if somehow you got past his extreme necron superiority complex and xenophobia, find the most interesting? Orikan. Possibly one of the greatest scientific minds the galaxy has ever seen, short of a C'tan itself. The cryptek who wields science as if it were magic and can do all that Magnus can without the warp. He can forsee everything, even the schism.

Its a wild stretch but, maybe because his foresight is always befuddled by the warp and warp anomalies, Talos desire to see more rifts closed and warp regions suppressed may expand his vision and thus give reason for Orikan to converse with a human. Though, I doubt it. Trazyn was the more diplomatic type, but Trazyn is bloody Trazyn I wouldn't trust him to try and gnab us if he had the chance. Admittedly he has the fancy tesseract tech specialty. A pocket army would serve Talos nicely.

But then, so would any amount of chronoscience. How often does Talos lack the time to do all he pleases, or how much could a few extra minutes save his life from an otherwise fatal blow?

Anyway, I don't see a path yet that would cause us to come across each other let alone on such good terms as to start a budding friendship between a being millions of years old and one only a few decades. Blink of an eye in necron time.

Talos would never ever bow down to a Xenos willingly (except maybe to save his skin or the Mechanicum). But I imagine seeing Orikan wield such science would bring tears even to his eyes, like that scene in Overlord but with much less kowtowing.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:OK9VYFAJ Mon 16 May 2022 01:29:55 No.5269175 Report

Quoted By: >>5270379

>On the Command Throne so that the ship can take part of the burden.

OUR CUP OVERFLOWETH! WE MUST GET A BUCKET!

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Mon 16 May 2022 01:43:34 No.5269188 Report

Quoted By: >>5269191

For example, it is possible to use the very coding of the fabric of the physical universe to shoot frickin' laser beams from your fingers.

"Keph-Re’s Proof: An adept shall not attempt this hex until they have mastered the Ninth Book of Conduction, and successfully channelled powers of up to 77:777 Keph. If so, disjoint the second and third fingers of the right hand at the knuckle, bending them together to form a diamond to concentrate the energy. Of the two outside fingers, snap them backward at the knuckle like eagles’ wings to collect the ambient currents. Once captured, the thumb may be thrust forward, like the antennae on a dish, to direct the energy discharge. – Currents of Ruin, Folio VI, Canto III"

I imagine such power is similar Enuncia, the mythical computer code language that can alter reality without the use of the warp. The mysterious King in Yellow knows this language, but he is an enemy of the Emperor with an army of cloned blanks

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Mon 16 May 2022 01:44:40 No.5269191 Report

Quoted By:

>>5269188
Well, supposedly an enemy. Abnett isn't clear he might actually be an ally and it might be Constantine Valdor.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:8mKgPoHX Mon 16 May 2022 02:10:15 No.5269223 Report

Quoted By:

>>5269174
It's obvious just how mad jelly as fuck Tal0S is going to be when he meets the Necrons and especially those Crypteks. Meeting Orikan would just be adding insult to injury to poor Tal0S. As not even DoAT humanity could compare with Necrons. I don't really see us meeting any of those three yet. Some other Necron dynasty waking up early because oh shit we hijacked a Blackstone fortress reversing its polarity and got contacted by the void dragon. Yeah, I can see them being VERY curious about that. Especially once they discover how much we also hate the Warp and want it dead. Suddenly we are some very interesting fellows indeed. Especially since we are collecting their pariah genes.

Therefore the real question is how is Tal0S and his Admech going to handle it? IS the greater foe Chaos or Xenos? What of their technology? We know that the greater admech aren't going to like that but we also know Tal0S doesn't mind studying xenos technology so long as it's not chaos corrupted. The fact that Tal0S wants the warp dead too and is weaponizing the Pariahs is going to intrigue the Necrons deeply. As they also hate the warp.

So looking back on it...I can see why the QM chose to awaken the Necrons early and have them be drawn towards Tal0S so early on. The stuff we are doing is definitely going to alert them and rouse any nearby slumbering dynasties to investigate. It's just very risky for us since the Necrons are so OP and we are not by any means prepared to handle them so soon.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Mon 16 May 2022 02:13:37 No.5269225 Report

Quoted By:

>>5269020
>PIC RELATED

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Mon 16 May 2022 02:18:03 No.5269230 Report

Quoted By: >>5270379

>>5269020
>On the Command Throne so that the ship can take part of the burden.
AWAKEN MY (NOT) MASTERS

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Mon 16 May 2022 02:19:36 No.5269234 Report

Quoted By:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J6MwUpSU3M
From this point onward, this is the BGM of the next update

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Mon 16 May 2022 02:48:15 No.5269267 Report

Quoted By:

So when TalOS was like "bro dude wtf, chill" when Daddy D showed up in Luicus, The Emperor was like "shit fuck shit fuck the dragon fuck shit!" and that's why he left in such a hurry???

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:OK9VYFAJ Mon 16 May 2022 03:10:44 No.5269288 Report

Quoted By:

........ So if we become Necron. Will we become buddies with the Silent King like Sanguinius?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:coBZHKNz Mon 16 May 2022 03:23:41 No.5269298 Report

Quoted By: >>5270379

>>5269020
>On the Command Throne so that the ship can take part of the burden.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lNpJNOCZ Mon 16 May 2022 04:17:49 No.5269337 Report

Quoted By: >>5270379

>>5269020
>On the Command Throne so that the ship can take part of the burden.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:5mG3nTh7 Mon 16 May 2022 07:27:23 No.5269510 Report

Quoted By: >>5270379

>>5269020
>TalOS’s private workshop, next to the plethora of Null Tech

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fIJklXHQ Mon 16 May 2022 09:59:30 No.5269587 Report

Quoted By: >>5270379

>>5269020
>On the Command Throne so that the ship can take part of the burden.
Whatever is about to happen, we need every ounce of processing power to deal with it. Even though we are a primarch, it's not enough. Trust in the Machine God! Join in union with it's creation that is the ship! Help all become closer to it's glory!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:eaLoqku4 Mon 16 May 2022 10:17:30 No.5269598 Report

Quoted By: >>5270379

>>5269020
>The infirmary, because it's the best place for it

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Mon 16 May 2022 10:19:35 No.5269601 Report

Quoted By: >>5270379

>>5269020
>>TalOS’s private workshop, next to the plethora of Null Tech

Perturabo Appreciater

Perturabo Appreciater ID:g1rGs+J3 Mon 16 May 2022 11:13:14 No.5269651 Report

Quoted By: >>5269668 >>5270379

>>5269020
>TalOS’s private workshop, next to the plethora of Null Tech

Oh shit y'all, the dragon is reaching out to us!!!!
Also, this is important information!!!!

If this truly is the void dragon, then the "knight" that it is referring to is the Emperor. (Last Church: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSEVCs8o0H8 )

The Emperor directly says that the depiction of a knight and dragon fighting is him protecting earth from a shard of a C'tan and then sealing it on mars.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Mon 16 May 2022 11:45:31 No.5269668 Report

Quoted By:

>>5269651
Lol yeah, thats why i said earlier I figured that's why the Emperor's visit was so short.

"Okay, we found the 2nd, let's see what-. . .huh. Techpriest. As in Mechanicus Techpriest? WHAT.
Fuck I better go see how bad it is"

>One mind question later

"Oh damn it's really bad he's drank the Kool-Aid I NEED TO GO SECURE THE DRAGON"

From the Emperor's standpoint, a perfectly logical course of action to do. Talos might agree, if that weren't possibly his divine patron.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:l+t1mZ3h Mon 16 May 2022 12:40:08 No.5269699 Report

Quoted By: >>5269706 >>5270379

>>5269020
>The infirmary, because it's the best place for it

Always thought that Void dragon to mechanics was equivalent to devil in Christianity

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:l+t1mZ3h Mon 16 May 2022 12:45:11 No.5269706 Report

Quoted By: >>5269710 >>5269713

>>5269699
And about ancient enemy - does he mean Knight (Emperor)? After all gods of warp are Faraway and the one who chained him is right here.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Mon 16 May 2022 12:53:35 No.5269710 Report

Quoted By: >>5269722

>>5269706
considering how old the Void dragon is, he likely means something even older than the Emperor if he calls it 'ancient'. Possibly even the warp itself or Be'Lakor.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Mon 16 May 2022 12:55:47 No.5269713 Report

Quoted By: >>5269716 >>5269722

>>5269706
I don't know, but what I do know, is that what the Old Ones used to bind his powers were the Talisman of Vaul.
And we just so happen to take over one, and reverse it's energy.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Mon 16 May 2022 12:57:45 No.5269716 Report

Quoted By:

>>5269713
OH SHIT, thats bad! That would also explain why big E just said hello and then immediatly left again, the old bindings were weakening with the reversed polarity of the Fortress.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Mon 16 May 2022 13:14:24 No.5269722 Report

Quoted By: >>5269728

>>5269710
By Ancient Enemy he probably refers to the Warp, rather than the Knight. Or per say, the Old Ones

>>5269713
I don't believe Talismans of Vaul were ever C'tan powered. That isn't the Old Ones way. Especially because they were meant to fight the C'tan.

They were warp conduits, as blackstone is able to be positively or negatively charged and given resistance to polarization depending on the faction using it.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Mon 16 May 2022 13:21:17 No.5269728 Report

Quoted By: >>5269731

>>5269722
I don't mean that the powered the C'tan, but that the Void Dragon was tge most powerful of them, and the Old Ones only managed to defeat him after they created the Blackstone Fortresses and used tgem to bind his powers.
It's in both wikis.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:x37e6pAm Mon 16 May 2022 13:21:43 No.5269729 Report

Quoted By: >>5270379

>>5269020
>>On the Command Throne so that the ship can take part of the burden.
FTL FTL FTL FTL FTL FTL FTL FTL FTL

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Mon 16 May 2022 13:23:18 No.5269731 Report

Quoted By:

>>5269728
Here's the sauce
http://web.archive.org/web/20050410234311/uk.games-workshop.com/necrons/eldar-mythology/3/

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:x37e6pAm Mon 16 May 2022 13:31:14 No.5269739 Report

Quoted By: >>5269883

Also, I honestly think that, once TalOS learnes about the Void Dragon and that it was him that called TalOS his prophet, he would immendiatly go to Mars to meet him, with or withour BigE's aproval, which gave me the hilarious mental image of TalOS trying to CONVERT the Void Dragon to the Mechanicus Cult.

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Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Mon 16 May 2022 15:55:33 No.5269883 Report

Quoted By:

>>5269739

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ntozOKsv Mon 16 May 2022 16:15:29 No.5269900 Report

Quoted By: >>5270379

>>5269020
>On the Command Throne so that the ship can take part of the burden.

Son of Nanomachine

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Mon 16 May 2022 16:26:49 No.5269913 Report

Quoted By: >>5269931 >>5269949 >>5269993

I've had a sudden revelation. I was thinking to myself why, even if Orikan or a Cryptek were nifty with science, would Talos want to work with them in case they were both xenos and really really haughty xenos.

Do you know what Technomancy is? Shooting lasers from ones fingers without a gun and manipulating gravity and intertia with a gesture of the hand? It's the Motive Force. It's THE actual, literal Motive Force, the very nature of our god made manifest.

One day, some people may say we only derive our power from the Blackstone Fortress, proud of our technological terror. They do not realize that the ability to destroy a planet is insignificant compared to the power of the Motive Force.

Lorgar and Magnus may claim that our sad devotion to an ancient religion cannot conjure forth the same miracles as them. But perhaps we will find their lack of faith. . .disturbing.

Not gonna lie I hope QM actually lets us learn Technomancy of the telekinetic variety on day specifically so we can use Motive Force memes.

Machine QM

Machine QM ID:SU44s9B0 Mon 16 May 2022 16:40:41 No.5269931 Report

Quoted By: >>5269954

>>5269913
Indeed, it would be very advantageous and memeable. It would also be the perfect final gift of a god to his chosen.

Perturabo Appreciater

Perturabo Appreciater ID:g1rGs+J3 Mon 16 May 2022 16:50:11 No.5269949 Report

Quoted By:

>>5269913
"For my ally is the Motive Force, and a powerfull ally it is." - TalOS

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Mon 16 May 2022 16:53:18 No.5269954 Report

Quoted By: >>5269986

>>5269931
Don't get me wrong, i would love for TaL0S to unlock technomancy, but it would be a bit cheap if we don't have to work to get it.

Machine QM

Machine QM ID:SU44s9B0 Mon 16 May 2022 17:11:38 No.5269986 Report

Quoted By:

>>5269954
You will. You're just having the knowledge such things exist.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:6FhbGcRV Mon 16 May 2022 17:18:46 No.5269993 Report

Quoted By: >>5269997

>>5269913
>The power of the Motive Force
>An Aegis Energy Blade
>He's already even hooded and has a deep machine voice and mechanical arm
So that's why Talos was purged from canon as the 2nd Primarch. . .he suffered the same fate of Malal. Obliterated by copyright and lawyers.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Mon 16 May 2022 17:20:52 No.5269997 Report

Quoted By: >>5270031

>>5269993
kek
If we fall to chaos, we will go by Darth TaL0S

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Mon 16 May 2022 17:43:01 No.5270026 Report

Quoted By: >>5270031

I see that even though he may not exist since Rogue Trader, the spirit of Obiwan Sherlock Clousseau lives on.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Mon 16 May 2022 17:47:34 No.5270031 Report

Quoted By: >>5270033

>>5270026
Illyian Natase survived in a different form.
I'm sure that canon Obiwan lived a good life of an Inquisitor.

>>5269997
Please don't say that that implies we tragically kill UZI

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Mon 16 May 2022 17:50:05 No.5270033 Report

Quoted By: >>5270168

>>5270031
hmmmm, no we don't, but ... she tragically dies under suspicious circumstances with the son of one of our fellow renegades in the room. That poor Astertes, he did everything he could and yet she still died of 'Sudden Love Interest Death Syndrom'

Perturabo Appreciater

Perturabo Appreciater ID:g1rGs+J3 Mon 16 May 2022 19:25:12 No.5270168 Report

Quoted By: >>5270190 >>5270196

>>5270033
I bet that random astartes was Alpharius!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Mon 16 May 2022 19:34:09 No.5270190 Report

Quoted By: >>5270196

>>5270168
'We can neither confirm nor denied that allegation that this moment, but the Alpha Legion expresses their utmost sympathy with the effected party.'

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Mon 16 May 2022 19:37:57 No.5270196 Report

Quoted By:

>>5270168
>>5270190
Yeah, this sort of bullshit by our sneaky bro or Curze when the HH happens is precisely why I want to develop the Herakles soldiers.

Or, well, theoretically winning him over to our side. But who knows what the fuck Alpharius really wants. Not Horus that's for sure.

Even supposing it were some ploy to serve the Emperor, it must be a pretty big bloody ploy to convince them to let themselves be killed by Dorn and Guilliman.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Mon 16 May 2022 19:39:09 No.5270198 Report

Quoted By:

Even worse if we somehow decide to switch or convince one traitor to stay loyal and someone like Corax decides to go over.

Now Horus will have all three sneaky fucks on his side, and that's bad shit because he might draw inspiration from Malcadors assassination attempt and think "what if we did that, but with Primarchs"

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UVXQSzUT Mon 16 May 2022 21:07:26 No.5270296 Report

Quoted By: >>5270379

>On the command throne so that the ship can take part of the burden

In priest of Mars, it is revealed that perhaps every single Ark Mechanicus is a complete STC. Maybe we can gaze into its with this great boon? Imagine unlocking a STC this early on, we wouldn't be a prophet we'd be a god

We cannot let such chance to bond with the motive force slip through our fingers

The Machine QM

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Mon 16 May 2022 22:19:14 No.5270379 Report

Quoted By: >>5270381 >>5270429

Private Workshop
>>5269024
>>5269029
>>5269034
>>5269085
>>5269510
>>5269601
>>5269651
>>5269121

The Infirmary
>>5269040
>>5269045
>>5269598
>>5269699

Command Throne
>>5269164
>>5269230
>>5269298
>>5269337
>>5269587
>>5269729
>>5269900
>>5269175
>>5270296

You know, it took me until now to realize the jokes on the Motive Force. Of course, the Motive Force is strong with TalOS.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Mon 16 May 2022 22:20:15 No.5270381 Report

Quoted By: >>5270386 >>5270414 >>5270432

>>5270379
Someone check, but I think thats 9v8 in favor of the Command Throne?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Mon 16 May 2022 22:24:03 No.5270386 Report

Quoted By:

>>5270381
yeah, seems right to me

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dlIWFprB Mon 16 May 2022 22:39:39 No.5270414 Report

Quoted By:

>>5270381

correct.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:6FhbGcRV Mon 16 May 2022 22:55:15 No.5270429 Report

Quoted By:

>>5270379
In times of great peril, Talos always remembers.

He is one with the Motive Force, and the Motive Force is with him.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fIJklXHQ Mon 16 May 2022 22:56:56 No.5270432 Report

Quoted By:

>>5270381
Counts are good.

The Machine QM

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Tue 17 May 2022 00:42:37 No.5270520 Report

Quoted By:

Reality was fickle. That is what TalOS understood at this moment.

Forces that were beyond his previous comprehension passed through the mind of the Primarch. Many of these things he had either never considered or never realized were already part of the Rituals performed by the Mechanicus in service to their god.

Both everything and nothing applied at a single moment. The alignment of planetary bodies would cause grand gravitational movements that caused light and electrons to move in such a specific way that they granted immense power. This went double for anything involving machines as the Spirits within them could be awakened and stirred into feats TalOS never even thought possible.

Even the runes that he saw. Each and every one of them in their green balefire carried with it a sense of power.

During all this TalOS felt a sudden moment of expansion. His awareness grew even larger to the realm around him as he was entwined for several minutes with a mass of sensory arrays and augers.

It only widened his perspective. His understanding of the Universe and how the forces of reality worked upon one another.

But then he noticed it. The subtle changes and manipulations that continued to flicker against the fabric of reality. Shutters and shakes that resulted in massive tears into reality that TalOS knew would shake the very foundation of reality.

It was the Warp. The Warp encroaching on his perfect Galaxy. It robbed him of the sense of perfection and understanding that TalOS unwittingly desired. A perfect mechanical machine that was the galaxy could not suffer such a blight on the Universe.

After this realization, TalOS felt this reality begin to shutter and shrink. But TalOS realized that he did not mind it for this was the perspective that only Gods should have.

TalOS was given as a lesson. An understanding that he has now been tasked to unlock.

He would do so. TalOS would do just that.

And like that the Primarch felt his consciousness return.

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The first thing TalOS saw was the numerous Priests kneeling before him. Behind them were the Acillians who either did the same or were standing guard in an attempt to guard the area. The cries of synchronized prayer and readings rang in TalOS’s ears as a green haze slowly left his vision.

TalOS felt the knowledge that he gained slowly leave him. A perfect mind he had but the comprehension that he had just reached was even now fading him as his mind began to process what exactly was given to him. If he was a lesser person the man might have reached forward foolishly and tried to grab at the fleeting memories. But TalOS was not a lesser being, he knew he was going to remember exactly what his God wished him to remember.

+He awakens.+ Declared the Acillian TalOS registered as Centarii ED1SON standing as a guard, +Arch Dominus TalOS awakens!+

With a single call all of the Tech Priests looked up to see their Master looked down upon them. Each and every one of them looked upon TalOS with a hint of wonder and confusion that TalOS could join them in. But he knew more than they did as he finished processing the information.

+I have… had a revelation.+ TalOS declared as he began to regain motor functions that were lost moments before.

+A revelation…+ Magos L4M walked towards TalOS in an almost fearful walk, +Was it from the Machine God?+

+I believe so. I do not know how to make sense of it yet but the Machine God has given me information that I do not believe humanity has yet touched.+ TalOS declared as he slowly began to rationalize what he saw, +That is what I was given by the Machine God. Knowledge and a chance to comprehend that no mortal man has yet done so.+

+Then it truly was the Machine God.+ Magos L4M declared as he showed TalOS a Psi-Scanner, +It was the decision of your apprentice that placed you on the command throne. We could not understand what was happening to you Lord but as there was no psychic or data-spheric influence we decided to help your mind cope with the sheer amount of data that you semed to have been experincing.+

+That was the right call Magos L4M.+ TalOS told the Priest, +I… felt a force in the galaxy. One that I could not describe beyond my imaginings.+

+Was it the Motive Force?+

TalOS thought to himself before giving a subtle smile, +Yes. I believe the Machine God gave me a new perspective of the Motive Force.+

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+Do you require time to process the revelation Arch Dominus?+ The Magos asked next as he finally stood before TalOS, +I can assume command while you comprehend what you were given.+

+I shall do so. I would be disrespecting the Machine God if I did not put my full attention to what he has given me.+ TalOS declared as he disconnected from the Command Throne, +Until we arrive at our next destination you shall be in charge of daily operations.+

+Understood Lord.+ L4M answered as he gave a solemn bow, +But, if I may ask, what insights has the Machine God given you?+

TalOS took a moment to think long and hard. His mind was still jumbled with hundreds of glyphs and concepts that TalOS has yet to truly make good reason out of. Though TalOS was a Primarch, and his mind worked on a subtly different framework than that of a mortal human.

+The Motive Force goes through everything. What dogma has taught us is correct in that everything in the universe is affected by it in some small way.+ TalOS told the Magos with wide eyes as he processed his own words, +Time, Space, Mind, and Machine. All of these are affected by the Motive Force. Even now I do not comprehend what I am to do with this information but we shall know it is here. To know that the Machine God is everywhere with us.+

+Thank you for that slim insight.+ Magos L4M declared as he bowed, +Take as long as you need in the chambers.+

+You are a respectable person Magos L4M.+ TalOS said as he placed a hand on the shoulder of his fellow, +I am thankful to the Machine God for having you as my second in command for this mission.+

+Thank you Arch Dominus.+ The Magos said as TalOS began moving towards the gallows of the cruiser.

There was a lot of rationale for TalOS. So much was given to him and now he needed to figure it out. As always he should focus on a single object so that he can began comprehension. It does not mean he can’t learn more later but it will be his stepping stone.

>Machine (Technomancy)
>Time (Chronomancy)
>Mind (Psychomancy)
>Space (Plasmancy)

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CQCG32zT Tue 17 May 2022 00:48:39 No.5270532 Report

Quoted By: >>5271012 >>5271811

>Time (Chronomancy)

Because no matter how powerful a technopath we become, we cannot really control the dragon.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9p/p+gHP Tue 17 May 2022 00:50:34 No.5270536 Report

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>>5270528
>Time (Chronomancy)

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Anonymous ID:s0e0nK5s Tue 17 May 2022 00:51:31 No.5270539 Report

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>>5270528
>>Time (Chronomancy)

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Tue 17 May 2022 00:51:35 No.5270540 Report

Quoted By: >>5270547 >>5270552 >>5271012 >>5271811

>>5270528
>Time (Chronomancy)
This is the only technology we currently cannot replicate by other means.

And if there's one thing we know Talos always is lacking. . .it's time.

It will also pair up super well with our teleportation speciaity.

Also uh, I think Plasmancers are Harbinger of Destruction.
Voidmancers are the Space ethos.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Tue 17 May 2022 00:52:43 No.5270547 Report

Quoted By: >>5270561

>>5270540
Look man I used the currently avalible HQs to get a basis of what kind of Mancies there are. There is no Voidmancer available.

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>>5270540
diz nigga jumped all the way to voidmancy.
But yes I would also like an Alcubierre_drive very much thanks

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Tue 17 May 2022 00:59:32 No.5270560 Report

Quoted By: >>5271012 >>5271811

>>5270528
>Time (Chronomancy)

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Tue 17 May 2022 01:00:16 No.5270561 Report

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>>5270547
Gotcha. If you prefer it that way I'll just refer more to Wahapedia and the listed mancers there.

Although that's quite a shame cause there are some quite unique stuff. There's Ethermancy (electricty), Voidmancy (Space/Gravity), Dimensionalist (Necron Phase technology), Datamancers (probably statistical manipulators or hacker supreme, compared to the engineers that are technomancers)
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Cryptek

Anyway, time still seems the better option out of the 4 right now for me.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TL/saIlR Tue 17 May 2022 01:06:55 No.5270571 Report

Quoted By: >>5271012 >>5271811

>>5270528
>Time (Chronomancy)

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fR+yno8R Tue 17 May 2022 01:08:57 No.5270575 Report

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>>5270528
>Time (Chronomancy)

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Tue 17 May 2022 01:11:19 No.5270577 Report

Quoted By: >>5270579 >>5270586

So going with the currently statted HQ Crypteks, just so everyone can be aware of what the choices detail based on those rules.

Psychomancer - A lot of fear/morale based effects. with Nightmare Shroud or Harbringer of Despair. Truly the spookiest of skeletons.
Technomancer - A lot of Canoptek and Necron minion based abilities.
Chronomancer - Very much survivability and killing power on this one. Timesplinter Mantle probably similar to Valdors moment shackle and lets us step back or forward a moment. Chronometron also lets us redo a failed charge so probably we could use it to redo short term mistakes
Plasmancer - I think GW got lazy and mixed the old Ethermancer with this cause it has a living lightning ability plus of course shooting plasma from our damn fingers

All in all, terror doesn't really fit Talos imo. And while shooting plasma from our fingers and maybe mastering the technology sounds cool, it doesn't seem to have as much utility as Chronomancy or Technomancy.

Could go on with what we could theoretically do with each, but these are just whats giving on the codex rules thus far.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Tue 17 May 2022 01:12:21 No.5270579 Report

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>>5270577
*Valoris not Valdor

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Anonymous ID:s0e0nK5s Tue 17 May 2022 01:22:34 No.5270586 Report

Quoted By: >>5270591

>>5270577
And look for cool it is!!! Way too slim however...
its stats are MEQ but better wounds and leadership... https://wahapedia.ru/wh40k9ed/factions/necrons/Chronomancer and it has a bunch of weird cryptek arcana and my fav is METALODERMAL TESLA WEAVE but I haven't checked if that's unique for chronomancers or just a general for all the cripteks

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Tue 17 May 2022 01:27:37 No.5270589 Report

Quoted By: >>5271012 >>5271811

>>5270528
>Time (Chronomancy)
Get fucked Orikan, you fake diviner

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Tue 17 May 2022 01:31:55 No.5270591 Report

Quoted By: >>5270612

Right now, excluding leveling up these abilities or any research potential out of them, I would argue the two best choices to be either Chronomancy or Technomancy.

We all know at some point we'll want to delve into a Tomb world. . .or take one over. Silva Tenebris would be a goldmine but when we get there we'll have to muck about using Talos primarch brain just to understand and interface with the tech. I suspect Technomancy could give us more immediate access and insight into Necron Tech such as their null generation fields if ever we land on one to take a look. Or at least maybe we can tell the nasty canoptek and other defenses to go away and not shoot at us.

Chronomancy will it seems to me be the big personal "Lets make sure Talos and friends don't die" option. Which is also good. Stepping out of the way of a fatal blow at the right time, or shouting at Uzi or L4M to step out of the way of a lethal shot so they live. It's a quicksave. It's V.A.T.S. It's bullet time Matrix style.
Also one fun upshot is we can become a quick draw with comically oversized weapons. Carry a big ol' plasma cannon on our back and people don't see it coming when he draws and fires it in half a milisecond.

So between the two its a question of making Talos survivable/killy or make it easier to pick apart Necron tech or even detect it when its hidden.

>>5270586
The one arcana specific to chronomancer listed that seems supremely useful is Countertemporal nanomines. The perfect thing for slowing down big nasty shit charging at us so we can shoot at it. Say, a particularly angry brother out to kill us in melee. I imagine it's like the Tripple Maximize Explosive Mine from the scene in Overlord

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:RZ7inAdy Tue 17 May 2022 01:53:45 No.5270610 Report

Quoted By: >>5271012 >>5271811

>>5270528
>Machine (Technomancy)
I like tech, tech we can share and is a power up for more than just us.

I also want a non warp based movement of ships.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:s0e0nK5s Tue 17 May 2022 01:55:49 No.5270612 Report

Quoted By: >>5270615

>>5270591
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLBt1JDNx6g
This but with a volkite blaster

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TakzDcIq Tue 17 May 2022 02:01:51 No.5270614 Report

Quoted By: >>5270620 >>5270681 >>5271012 >>5271811

>>5270528
>Time (Chronomancy)
I really wanted to vote techno too, but just imaging where we can take the story with this, and the cool narrative of potentially something terrible happening, and us being able to do something like reverse time just enough to influence what happens, or putting some sort of temporal decay and doing something like rapidly aging an otherwise impossible for, reverse time over wounds so like they never happened at all. Just ideas, no idea how Necrons use the ability.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:O6OxcQ6D Tue 17 May 2022 02:03:23 No.5270615 Report

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>>5270612
Talos absolutely should be the gunslinger Primarch. He would match his steel Wardens.

And if we attach more guns to our mechadendrites that increases the fun exponentially.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:O6OxcQ6D Tue 17 May 2022 02:05:37 No.5270620 Report

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>>5270614
All of that and more. But only with time and practice and skill. Necrons also move at a glacial pace so they probably save up a lot of their power for the right moments where humans just live too short to wait for celestial bodies to align.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:x+hl93ja Tue 17 May 2022 02:15:23 No.5270632 Report

Quoted By: >>5271012 >>5271811

>>5270528
>Time (Chronomancy)

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Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Tue 17 May 2022 03:09:53 No.5270681 Report

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>>5270614
If I remember right, one example is Orikan, who is a mid-tier diviner, but probably the best chronomancer there is, so he just reverses time and uses that to "predict" the future instead.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:BUAjiXmU Tue 17 May 2022 03:37:21 No.5270705 Report

Quoted By: >>5271012 >>5271811

>>5270528
>Machine (Technomancy)

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Anonymous ID:8mKgPoHX Tue 17 May 2022 03:47:53 No.5270719 Report

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>>5270681
To be fair to Orikan he mainly does that due to warp interference fucking over his divinations. Doesn't change the fact that he uses chronomancy to totally predict the future and not because he rewound it and fixed it to make his predictions true.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:A9EQR7B7 Tue 17 May 2022 03:49:12 No.5270720 Report

Quoted By: >>5271012 >>5271811

>>5270528
>Machine (Technomancy)
Perhaps the obvious choice but it fits our bill quite well.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fIJklXHQ Tue 17 May 2022 04:44:44 No.5270764 Report

Quoted By: >>5271012 >>5271811

>>5270528
>Time (Chronomancy)

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Anonymous ID:dNtaiWnp Tue 17 May 2022 05:34:32 No.5270817 Report

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>>5270528
>Machine (Technomancy)
For the better understanding of DaoT machines. If you can actually understand the machines, then you can recreate it. Also will A.I. to our cause.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:uQ7UD5zj Tue 17 May 2022 05:55:18 No.5270836 Report

Quoted By: >>5271012 >>5271811

>>5270528
>Machine (Technomancy)

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Anonymous ID:UVXQSzUT Tue 17 May 2022 08:32:42 No.5270940 Report

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>Machine (Technomancy)

Perturabo Appreciater

Perturabo Appreciater ID:g1rGs+J3 Tue 17 May 2022 09:54:46 No.5270982 Report

Quoted By: >>5271012 >>5271811

>>5270528
>Machine (Technomancy)

Machines are cool, everything else is drool!

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Anonymous ID:6FhbGcRV Tue 17 May 2022 10:16:28 No.5270998 Report

Quoted By: >>5271012 >>5271034 >>5271811

>>5270528
>>Time (Chronomancy)
Combine this with an Uncreator Gauntlet and we can virtually reverse engineer anything, even xenos tech.

Perturabo Appreciater

Perturabo Appreciater ID:g1rGs+J3 Tue 17 May 2022 10:31:22 No.5271003 Report

Quoted By: >>5271004 >>5271032

So, i would like to start off with, that i am fine with Chronomancy winning(even though I like technomancy more), since it is a very interesting and powerful ability and study. To this end, i would like to propose some theories that TalOS could extrapolate from his understanding of time and the information that was given to him.

>#1: Time is relative

A very basic understanding of how time works, but one that is easily proven and has interesting effects on reality. An example of this is speed affecting how one perceives and is affected by time. So, a man that travels at great speeds will be less affected by time relative to a man that is travels at slow speeds, thereby making the man that travels slowly age more than the one that travels quickly.
Possible usages of this understanding: Manipulation of the flow of time on a personal level and a one-directional form of “time-travel”(only works to deposit someone if the future, not the past, since it is basically an advanced form of waiting. In game terms; skyrim has a wait function and this is basically that.)

>#2: Time is Motion

Another fairly relatively easy to comprehend understanding of how time relates to the material universe. If there is no motion, no time can pass, for there is no way for heat to dissipate, no way for atoms to degrade, everything is completely locked in that point of reference. Unmoving and unchanging.
Possible uasages: Perfect Stasis technology (most of it doesn’t work fully like this and we know and have seen in the lore that things can change, but with this understanding we might be able to fix that)

>#3: Time and Space are related and interconnected

Most of us already know this, so i won’t really expand upon it.
Possible usages: Greater understanding of DAoT physics (might be able to explain why some of the tech works the way it does.)

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Perturabo Appreciater ID:g1rGs+J3 Tue 17 May 2022 10:33:05 No.5271004 Report

Quoted By: >>5271032

>>5271003
>#4: Reality is a point through which Time can be circumvented, by going through the borders of IS and IS NOT

This is a bit more of an esoteric one, so please bear with me. Reality can be seen as a greater and multifaceted machine that works in a deterministic way through Cause and Effect. This is of course a very “close up” view of reality and only really applies when you are inside of its borders. When seen from outside the borders of reality, the entire universe could be seen as a single point of IS in a great sea of IS NOT. The term IS, is in this context then all of “that is”, “what was” and “what could be” and where IS NOT is the term we apply to a state of Non-existence and which lacks defined rules and understandings. Therefore, by going to a place that lacks rules and which shows no understanding of time, we can enter reality at a preordained point in the point, thereby sidelining the rules of time-travel. The reason why this would work is that a point is a point and no matter where you stand on the point, you are still in the point. Therefore, exciting the point makes the point into a superposition of all possible points and stepping back on the point makes us collapse that by choosing which point we are on.

Possible usages: FTL time-travel (you can be wherever you want to be in whatever point of time you want to)

#4 is based on the abstract physics that 40k regular shows, this probably isn't how reality actually funtions, but it could be a cool sci-fi hypothesis/scientific understanding of the universe

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Anonymous ID:qasacw9M Tue 17 May 2022 10:38:08 No.5271008 Report

Quoted By: >>5271012 >>5271811

>>5270528
>Machine (Technomancy)

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Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Tue 17 May 2022 10:42:11 No.5271012 Report

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>>5270528
Ok, so far we have:
Machine
>>5270610
>>5270705
>>5270720
>>5270817
>>5270836
>>5270940
>>5270982
>>5271008

Vs Time:
>>5270532
>>5270539
>>5270540
>>5270560
>>5270571
>>5270575
>>5270589
>>5270614
>>5270632
>>5270764
>>5270998

as a mid point to make counting easier

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Anonymous ID:UVXQSzUT Tue 17 May 2022 10:51:11 No.5271018 Report

Quoted By: >>5271034

Although Chronomancy is an incredible power that will make us nigh-unkillable, Technomancy simply has a lot more long term applications. The things we could create will be without measure and we could invest them in the betterment of humanity unlike the selfish nature of Chronomancy.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Tue 17 May 2022 11:11:27 No.5271032 Report

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>>5271004
>>5271003
I would argue that while this is sound based on our understanding of physics, who knows if it is actually what the true scientific principle of the universe operates.

Orikan makes a good quote about how actually astrology, the use of signs and zodiacs, was correct and the orderly mathematics of celestial bodies can be used to predict and manipulate the future such as wars, victory or defeat. A scientific version of the Tarrot card. But most primitive races simply lacked any true technological distinction to perform the calculations of celestial bodies and instead wrongly attributed it to shapes and figures and constellations.

>Now, atop his astromancer’s tower, he watched the stars – sensing gravity’s pull on the transit of planets, its infinite algebraic possibility influencing even the smallest events in the galaxy. The astronomers of old, stupid and superstitious as they had been, had guessed at this connection. But their pathetic spirituality had little to do with the scientific precision Orikan now used to chart the pull of gravity and flow of particles, the bending of space-time around sucking black holes, the chain of bizarre causality that could turn a breath on one continent into a typhoon on another. And those lines of power, light, energy and time tended to snare around certain objects.

So basically, just as a Techpriest might be more advanced than todays best scientists, possibly the Necrons understanding of time and space might defy even our own logic. Consider how their Inertialess Engines manage to achieve the impossible.

Tbh, if QM told us that if we could discover or get started on Interialess Drive tech with technomancy I'd switch votes in a heartbeat. Eitherway, I suspect if we do go with Chronomancy the very next thing we have to get is Technomancy and/or Datamancy. Whichever helps us unlock the ancient secrets.

Theoretically maybe Voidmancy might be the better one to understand Inertialess drives.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Tue 17 May 2022 11:16:41 No.5271034 Report

Quoted By: >>5271096

>>5271018
On the contrary as >>5270998 points out, there are many research applications for Chronomancy. Apart from stuff like amplifying the creator gauntlet, it could literally just buy us some extra time to do some research or speed up our experiments.

Can you imagine how useful it will be if for example, we have to meet with someone or encounter a threat in the next hour or even ten minutes, and we snap our fingers and gain some precious hours to cobble together the right piece of technology?
Or how about speeding up the growth of null crystals using time accelerants? Anti-Hrud containment devices like Trazyn uses.

Both Technomancy and Chronomancy can be used imo to better the cause of mankind. But it is just seemingly harder to achieve Chronomancy right now using current Imperial means where as the Admech is at least very well geared to reverse engineering Xenotech more so than time manipulation.

Also at the end of the day, the Survival of Talos is the Mechanicums best and brightest chance of betterment. Thus as the Survival of Talos is equivalent to the best outcome for the Mechanicum, his survival is paramount. We are the key to unlocking the secrets of the physical universe. Ensuring our long term survival, ensures the greatest outcome.

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Anonymous ID:dlIWFprB Tue 17 May 2022 12:11:53 No.5271084 Report

Quoted By: >>5271097 >>5271811

>>5270528
>Technology

All. Make a power armour self destruct. Command a machine to heal itself. It's all so wonderful

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Tue 17 May 2022 12:30:04 No.5271096 Report

Quoted By: >>5271099

>>5271034
You say that like Technomancy isn't the crux of Necron technique. Things like their reanimation protocol.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Tue 17 May 2022 12:30:14 No.5271097 Report

Quoted By: >>5271098

>>5271084
Those sounds awesome.

I just wonder if QM will allow us to lean more into the fluffy/lore aspect, or will want to strictly stay within the framework of statted things on tabletop

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Tue 17 May 2022 12:31:27 No.5271098 Report

Quoted By: >>5271102

>>5271097
Technomancy is control over Machines. There is a lot more practicality with Technomancy (And its also easier to write but I can take a challenge).

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Tue 17 May 2022 12:32:41 No.5271099 Report

Quoted By: >>5271101 >>5271103

>>5271096
I suppose it is true.

I would wager Technomancy to be the gateway technique, while all else are specialist. Like a generalist techpriest who understands basic principles or a Primarch on his non-specialist field. They know the basics.

Where as the Plasmancer would make a better plasma attack than the Technomancer
The Chronomancer would master time technology better (but maybe the Technomancer could delve into it a little)
The Psychomancer would be supremely scarier than the fear device of the Technomancer.

But putting it that way, it seems like its possible to use Technomancy to try and study the basic foundations of Chronomancy or we can try to get it later.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Tue 17 May 2022 12:34:01 No.5271101 Report

Quoted By: >>5271833

>>5271099
Also the plan is for you guys to learn 2 fields by the time of the Heresy. Though depending on certain actions things might change.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Tue 17 May 2022 12:34:21 No.5271102 Report

Quoted By: >>5271104

>>5271098
Ah so it's not just limited to Canopteks?
Great!

Theoretically, how might you describe the difference between a Technomancer and a Datamancer? Both seem like they would be able to control machines, but I'd wager the Datamancer is a software specialist who can set up an impregnable defense and crack any in turn, while the Technomancer has more in the way of true engineering skills.

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Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Tue 17 May 2022 12:34:43 No.5271103 Report

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>>5270528
>>Machine (Technomancy)

>>5271099
you convinced me

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Tue 17 May 2022 12:35:57 No.5271104 Report

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>>5271102
There is none. Datamancers in this context are just a variation of Datamancers.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Tue 17 May 2022 12:40:01 No.5271106 Report

Quoted By: >>5271107

"learn 2 fields by the time of the Heresy"
Hmmm, I see.

As players I feel goal should be ideally to survive the heresy, and then ideally slow it down and mitigate it as much as possible.

If we go Technomancy today and have one more slot before the HH, we best tactically consider what it would give us the most band out of our buck when it occurs. Chronomancy would give us survivability. . .but I feel Voidmancy would give us mastery over crucially Inertialess Drive Tech. Dimensionalism could give us supreme teleportation skills and ability to phase away from harm. Cryptek Alchemy could theoretically help us achieve that Synth-Flesh immortality we were going for too.

If our fleets are able to move through the warp storms, that would be a game changer.

Things to consider.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Tue 17 May 2022 12:43:10 No.5271107 Report

Quoted By: >>5271112

>>5271106
I'd like to point out it was a Plasmancer, Szera Illuminor, who developed Biotransference.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Tue 17 May 2022 12:47:11 No.5271112 Report

Quoted By: >>5271113 >>5271122

>>5271107
GOD DAMMIT QM, stop tempting us!

you should rename yourself into Tzeentch if this goes on

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Tue 17 May 2022 12:48:22 No.5271113 Report

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>>5271112
Maybe I am

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Wj40j4AD Tue 17 May 2022 12:53:07 No.5271116 Report

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Personally I want technomancy to better understand the Lucius megastructure and maybe fix it up.
There might even be hints for other fields in it

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Tue 17 May 2022 13:03:44 No.5271122 Report

Quoted By: >>5271123 >>5271141 >>5271147

>>5271112
Biotransferrence is not the most ideal method of immortality imo

Mostly because Biotransferrence explicitly results in the loss of the soul and other emotions. Which according to most necrons, really sucks. Talos might consider it as a last resort. This is why most of them are trying to reverse it and get (better) Organic bodies back but don't know how, or like Szera Illuminor and Orikan move forward and become beings of energy instead.

Human Technology is actually already capable of this, albeit the DAoT one. Antigonus was a techpriest murdered by the Dark Mechanicus, but he happened to be next to a DAoT server hub and uplinked his mechadendrite into it. The computer was able to copy and recreate his entire mind. After centuries of piecing himself back together, he became a Machine Spirit itself and was able to interact via machines.

I still consider both of these ideal because it leaves an uncomfortable question of whether Talos still has a soul. In the first case with necrons they explicitly do not, in the second I don't particularly see it any differently.

I think the best form of immortality is brain preservation, exactly like the Emperor or Mr House. Just keep our brain secured in the most secure place possible, with some backup brains to transfer into in case of emergency, and then work on extending our reach to interact with the outside universe in surrogate bodies and machinery. Maybe even remotely control our original host body. That is the best of all worlds.

I mean, if we're willing to move our brain from our head to our chest, what difference does it make if we just move our head a little further out of our body anyway! Think of it like getting bluetooth brain instead of wired spinal connection.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Tue 17 May 2022 13:04:45 No.5271123 Report

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>>5271122
*both of these un-ideal

Perturabo Appreciater

Perturabo Appreciater ID:g1rGs+J3 Tue 17 May 2022 13:51:57 No.5271141 Report

Quoted By: >>5271232

>>5271122
What? Biotransference doesn't explicilty make you lose your soul, that only happened because the C'tan ate the souls while they were being processed into their new forms. I am certain that if they hadn't done that, then the necrons would still have their souls.

Machine QM

Machine QM ID:gBQUGH+d Tue 17 May 2022 14:00:39 No.5271147 Report

Quoted By: >>5271190 >>5271232

>>5271122
I mean, at the end of the day, a Primarch is Immortal unless they are killed.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ntozOKsv Tue 17 May 2022 14:15:34 No.5271164 Report

Quoted By: >>5271811

>>5270528
>>Machine (Technomancy)

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CQCG32zT Tue 17 May 2022 14:17:33 No.5271167 Report

Quoted By: >>5271232

if we get to pair time with another specialty we should definitely do space.

Time/Space= Webway and time travel.
This alone will make the emperor NEED us.
Let alone the possibility of yoinking whatever we need from whoever has it.

Like Trayzn!

Perturabo Appreciater

Perturabo Appreciater ID:g1rGs+J3 Tue 17 May 2022 14:51:47 No.5271190 Report

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>>5271147
Yes, people die when they are killed.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Tue 17 May 2022 15:20:23 No.5271232 Report

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>>5271141
But there also isn't any indication that the process of biotransferrence, as understood by the necrons, itself doesn't make one lose their soul or separate it in some fashion. Can we know that even without the C'tan the fires of the furnace don't burn the soul away anyway?

The Brain has been described by a C'Tan as the "Immaterium-Materium interface organ". I am unawares if anything mechanical can achieve having a soul. But. . .I can't say it's impossible either. Some Machine Spirits have a definitive presence in the warp. If it were possible to be both machine spirit and keep our soul, that would be interesting.

But the safest bet is just keeping our organic brainy thing intact until we can be absolutely sure.

>>5271147
Yeah that's the point. Being killed is not fun. Let us minimize the chances of us being killed.

Of the primarchs, half got lost in the warp or comorragh going on fool quests. We know Talos hates the warp and will concern himself heavily with rebuilding the Mechanicum, so he won't end up like Russ or Khan.
Then there's the slain ones. Ferrus got his head chopped off, Alpharius got carved by chainsword, Rogal Dorn exploded, and Guilliman and Lion got incapacitated nigh unto death just like the Emperor.

Vulkan lasted the longest out of any of them all the way into the War of the Beast, having survived burning from an orbital reentry, multiple murders by Curze, and so much other crap. For all we know, he's still alive in 40k. He would probably survive having his entire ship blown up. The only thing that can kill him is a weapon of rarest potenty like Fulgirite but he's been lucky enough to avoid that. If we can achieve some level of survivability either directly or indirectly by being in a safe spot, a major goal is complete.

We've already done the first step. If someone chops our head off, they'll be quite surprised when the body ends up getting back up and running the fuck off. But we've still got some chest vulnerability.

>>5271167
This is also true.
Dolmen gates are a form of Webway gate, but with even less psyker interaction needed. A purer form. But I wonder if Emperor and Malcador will even accept that, or let alone let us know and help with the project.

They should I think. There were techpriests of high enough clearance to help them, so maybe we count.

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Anonymous ID:ZwyROSk6 Tue 17 May 2022 17:17:39 No.5271319 Report

Quoted By: >>5271333 >>5271811

>>5270528
>Time (Chronomancy)
"You are aware, ja, of my Chronosphere, a device which is capable of moving matter through time und through space!"
t. venerated Magos 2P3BBL3S

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CQCG32zT Tue 17 May 2022 17:32:15 No.5271330 Report

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Well. It synergizes with teleportation tech.
Space/Time tech mastery will further boost our ability to yeet people,places, things literally anywhere.

Like perhaps an offending hive fleet into a star.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CQCG32zT Tue 17 May 2022 17:33:33 No.5271333 Report

Quoted By: >>5271520

>>5271319
Ahh yes. The chronosphere.
We must build it.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UVXQSzUT Tue 17 May 2022 18:33:18 No.5271378 Report

Quoted By: >>5271392

I cannot stress enough that for our position right now, Technomancy will have the most amount of practical applications and will provide ample proof for the rest of the mechanicum to see us as the true prophet of the machine god.

We will make much more use out of it than we will ever with Chronomancy in these early stages and we'll be able to delve into the secrets of the DAoT nearly immediately.

Chronomancy is nice, but not as urgent as Technomancy considering we cannot use it as a political tool as we would the power to manipulate machines to our will.

The Emperor managed to convince Mars with a fraction of a Technomancers power, If we take this there will be a chance to even unite the Mechanicum under our banner, and us becoming Machine Pope sooner rather than later.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Tue 17 May 2022 18:46:10 No.5271392 Report

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>>5271378
You are most likely correct. it is very much the gateway tech, although I wouldn't discredit intelligent use of Chronomancy to also massively boost our research capabilities (for example restoring damaged machinery to its prime. Maybe even recover lost STC's that way by reversing them back to when they were in good order, or other old defunct technology).

I would say if we go Technomancy, its key function will be the night unlocking of further Necron technological access and salvaging/scavenging.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Tue 17 May 2022 18:50:35 No.5271396 Report

Quoted By: >>5271405

These are my hopes for Technomancy:
-Will still let us put our foot through the door of the other specialties, even if we aren't masters of them. Jack of all Necron Trades so to speak. So still able to search on the quest for Inertialess Drives, some Chronomantic Tech (humans had Chrono-tech anyway), better plasma, etc.
-Will allow us interface and easier understanding of the Necrons superior knowledge of the laws of physics
-Superior understanding of negative Warp technologies. Generating null fields both mechanically and organically
-Puts us closer on the path to discovering the Pharos, the ultimate key to the Galaxy itself

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Wj40j4AD Tue 17 May 2022 18:58:39 No.5271405 Report

Quoted By: >>5271421

>>5271396
Maybe even give us an idea what's inside lucius

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Tue 17 May 2022 19:21:44 No.5271421 Report

Quoted By: >>5271430 >>5271440

>>5271405
I'd like to imagine Talos is at least nominally aware of the Lucian core. How Dark Age humanity likely constructed it, how it is contained, and why it hasn't blown up yet. It may be more of an inferential type of knowledge like when Perturabo tried to explain in medieval terms how rain came from evaporated water via the ocean and the heat of the sun rather than the will of Gods.

What Technomancy might unlock, if it has Datamancer powers as QM said, would be to actually more easily bypass any old defensive screens and reach into the heart of the forge worlds machine spirit and get more precise details. That would be fun!

The name of the companies and the identity of the old builders.
What the Federation was like from lost archives.
Exact statistics on the core, its estimated run time, any damages that could be repaired, potential alternative uses as a planetary drive or superlaser mayhaps?
One day, maybe, it is not the Blackstone Fortress that is our greatest ship in the void. . .but our entire world. A World Engine.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Tue 17 May 2022 19:31:39 No.5271430 Report

Quoted By: >>5271457

>>5271421
Some time after the heresy, many of his brothers have gone on their own quests to for the betterment of Mankind. TaL0S makes his own decision, after a meeting with the fabricator general they descend into the deepest depths of what has been reveal to be not a planet but a space station of wondrous complexity and scope. But soon, meer weeks out the center of the Lucian Federation, that jewel in the scepter of the mechanicus, ... vanishes.

Both in the mechanicus and despite their best attempts to hide it the imperium stories spread of the valiant primarch that battled and even detonated their home planet to denie the Enemy a foothold in their fight against Mankind.
Now only Vulkan was left to shephard them torwards a better future, a man who knew that his brother would never vanish without a plan and so, he waited for his friends return.

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Anonymous ID:s0e0nK5s Tue 17 May 2022 19:41:07 No.5271439 Report

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With chronomancy we can take our sweet time traveling without the need of astronavs.
If chronomancy cannot make us *move* through space, only through time, then we can
>Go where we want
and then
>Go WHEN we want

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Anonymous ID:6FhbGcRV Tue 17 May 2022 19:42:04 No.5271440 Report

Quoted By: >>5271445 >>5271459

>>5271421
The Matryoshka Defense protocol. A mobile Forge World, inside is the Blackstone Fortress, inside is the 2nd legion fleet, inside is an Abyss Class ship, inside is the the 2nd legion and Titan Legion, inside is the Semper Fidelis, inside is a Knight, inside is the Talos Super Dreadnought Suit, inside is Talos artificier armor, inside is one badass and very angry metal Talos.

"You just don't know when to quit"

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:s0e0nK5s Tue 17 May 2022 19:47:27 No.5271445 Report

Quoted By: >>5271447

>>5271440
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IVHCry8LZ4
literally this. Mecha on top of mecha on top of mecha... It even has a disembodied head as the acting cogitator! Even funnier, during the dialog change anti-spiral energy to warp energy and spiral energy to motive force

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:s0e0nK5s Tue 17 May 2022 19:51:17 No.5271447 Report

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>>5271445
"SUPER GALAXY ARK MECHANICUM"

Guys.... guys we need a drill

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:IYZritSi Tue 17 May 2022 20:02:07 No.5271452 Report

Quoted By: >>5271549

>>5270528
>Time (Chronomancy)
FTL is time travel already and we already are on the path of Technomacy due to our nature as the Mechanicus Primarch. Also, this opens the option of getting involved with Curze and Sanguinius.
Another thing worth mentioning is that we would get pretty much infinite processing power if we find a way to send data from the future to the past and give the middle finger to causality. That combined with Technomacy would more or less jump us from 40k to Xeelee Sequence if we get creative.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Tue 17 May 2022 20:10:30 No.5271457 Report

Quoted By: >>5271463 >>5271467 >>5271472 >>5271683

>>5271430
I do not know if we will survive the HH. I would hope we all strive to ensure that, so we can help Rogal Dorn, Guilliman and Vulkan deal with the aftermath before they die/get entombed/become a disillusioned hermit.

I think its fitting Talos path is set towards the Necrons, because if there may be one thing they share in common, its their propensity to last and escape death. Even as centuries, millenia pass, they continue their existence, though the sands of time and ashes of civilizations burned sweep over them they remain.

Perhaps Lucius or the Fortress does explode, in a devastating but necessary act to save humanity. Perhaps a Mechanicum and the 2nd Legion may mourn the loss of its greatest savior and move on.

But the true grimdark end for Talos' quest I'm hoping for is when Guilliman goes to see the important work he commissioned 10,000 years ago. As he arrives to the planet where the salvation of the Imperium will be determined, as he descends down in the depths to find a legion of Primaris Marines ready, to congratulate Cawl.
But it is not just Cawl that greets him. 10,000 years have passed. Most of his original sons, his wife, and generations of his children have aged and died. Even his original body may have been lost. But there he is, having aided Cawl and guided the Mechanicum, having hidden so well as to ensure the absolute secrecy of the project, for he was the great Genetor of his time.

The Machine Spirit of his brother, refusing to die and give up on the Machine Gods work even though he has lost so much to time. Not while the Great Enemy and traitor brothers yet live. Though he has changed in form and barely resembles what he once was to survive, Roboute will not be alone.

"Welcome back, Roboute. . .we have a lot to catch up on, don't we?"

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Tue 17 May 2022 20:13:42 No.5271459 Report

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>>5271440
>Semper Fidelis
kek
You mean the Particeps Semper. Talos is not that kind of marine.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:IYZritSi Tue 17 May 2022 20:17:51 No.5271463 Report

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>>5271457
>>Implying that the true grimdark moment for TalOS wouldn't be time travelling to the past with his sons to stage a false flag attack on the Imperial Palace and send 20 pods on a long journey through space before returning to a play chess with the Silent King on a scale to make the great game of Chaos look like tic tac toe.

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Anonymous ID:s0e0nK5s Tue 17 May 2022 20:18:17 No.5271464 Report

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Semper... Fid....

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:s0e0nK5s Tue 17 May 2022 20:23:25 No.5271467 Report

Quoted By: >>5271488

>>5271457
That ending is more Nobledark desu

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:wMG9vmVq Tue 17 May 2022 20:32:58 No.5271472 Report

Quoted By: >>5271488

>>5271457
Nah Talos will be around forever once he makes his own living metal respawn body.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Tue 17 May 2022 20:51:39 No.5271488 Report

Quoted By: >>5271499 >>5271555

>>5271467
True. But then, so is Guilliman.
>>5271472
That would be nice.
Talos isn't going to change the outcome of the HH, at best changing some pieces but the board remains balanced.
I suspect if we somehow manage to achieve Talos surviving into 41k, it will have to come at some terrible cost that limits his influence. Much like all the primarchs both loyalist and traitor had some drawback that prevented them from just getting their shit together and unfucking pr burning down the Galaxy.

With the Traitors, it was their apathy and becoming pawns to Chaos great game against each other. Why burn the Imperium down, when its a fat teat to suckle on. Plus they still hate each other.
And of course the loyal Primarchs were struggling just to keep the crumbling thing together, before they were either dead or dissilusioned.

If we want Talos to live through to 40k/41k as a loyalist, there will likely be some kind of cost. I can only wonder at what that terrible cost will be.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Tue 17 May 2022 20:58:37 No.5271499 Report

Quoted By: >>5271522 >>5271564

>>5271488
My personal bet would be on brain damage, a wound were he loses part of his memories and has to start partially from scratch.
He would be in an experimental healing chamber protected by his steel warden chapter and UZ1, working tirelessly to just stabalize him.
But when guilliman reawakens they have another primarch that can donate just a tiny bit of spinal fluid to at least repare his most glaring wounds.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UVXQSzUT Tue 17 May 2022 21:16:57 No.5271517 Report

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Well goddammit, seems like chronomancy will win.

Leading by 2 votes

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ZwyROSk6 Tue 17 May 2022 21:21:58 No.5271520 Report

Quoted By: >>5271525

>>5271333
chronomancy is the key for good FTL travel without the warp. If there is one thing in character for Talos it is trying to reduce warp-dependency

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Tue 17 May 2022 21:22:10 No.5271522 Report

Quoted By: >>5271562 >>5271686

>>5271499
That could work. Though I'd like Talos to be more than just another Guilliman/Lion sleep expy. Especially if we are trying to distance ourselves bodily limitations.

Perhaps as he truly becomes one with the machine and the will of his God, he realizes that the warp has unleashed a terrible threat upon the machine realm, one that could eat the Imperium alive. Whole forge worlds turned like Xana, a veritable legion of Dark Mechanicum hackers. As time goes on he must devote more and more of his time and attention to the data wars. He is, like the Emperor, stretched thin and must sit upon his own tech throne and wage a war to prevent the annihilation of the Mechanicum in dataspace. He becomes a living saint of the Mechanicum, whom all call for to help ward away daemonic possession. Only a fraction of his mind can be devoted while this threat exists, and that small fraction itself is focused on the Primaris Project specifically to free him up so he can get off that thing. A spiritual guide for his people even thoguh they have lost him in form, but one day he will come back.

Anyway, I'm betting none of what we mention compare to what surprise QM has in store for us. That will truly be interesting. And terrifying.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UVXQSzUT Tue 17 May 2022 21:25:25 No.5271525 Report

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>>5271520
It's too early to utilise that and we need Technomancy to be able to have the facilities that can produce such engines in mass to begin with.

It is my belief that we will hinder ourselves by not picking Technomancy

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:tvL3XYk3 Tue 17 May 2022 21:29:44 No.5271533 Report

Quoted By: >>5271811

>>5270528
>Machine (Technomancy)
Let's use technomancy as the basis to get a taste of the other arts. It has more immediate and general use. We could even use it here on Xana, right now. We can use Technomancy to learn of stuff like inertialess drives, time manipulators and others from the Necron Tomb worlds and then determine what 2nd arcane knowledge we want to get really good at later. Order the sampler tray before you buy an entrée.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:IYZritSi Tue 17 May 2022 21:41:15 No.5271549 Report

Quoted By: >>5271811

>>5270528
Since the race is so close, I will change my vote here >>5271452 from
>Chronomancy
To
>Technomacy
As I figure that the latter fits better story-wise and we can get Chronomancy at a later date.

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Anonymous ID:s0e0nK5s Tue 17 May 2022 21:51:48 No.5271555 Report

Quoted By: >>5271557

>>5271488
>I suspect if we somehow manage to achieve Talos surviving into 41k, it will have to come at some terrible cost that limits his influence.

Some sort of Totally non warp related no sir no no no machine good apotheosis? *BLAM* HERESY

Do NOT watch spoilered pictured. You risk being inquisitioned

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Tue 17 May 2022 21:55:29 No.5271557 Report

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>>5271555
This but maybe Necronified machine abomination instead.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:8mKgPoHX Tue 17 May 2022 21:59:11 No.5271562 Report

Quoted By: >>5271566 >>5271574 >>5271595

>>5271522
Keep in mind his entire Legion and existence get deleted post Horus Heresy so hard that not even the Chaos Primarchs can compare. We can so far make a few educated guesses on why that is exactly. For example the most likely fate of his Legion is being converted into tech marines who get distributed to the other Chapters and its geneseed origins becoming 'lost' to establish new chapters much like loyalists from the traitor legions. We just another big hint with the Void Dragon's influence and the necrons. We know Tal0S has rather stiff philosophical and ideological disagreements with the Emperor despite being the most understanding of his stance and he really hates the warp. So compared to teaming up with Eldar it would appear Tal0S instead aligned himself with the Necrons and foresaw the dangers of Chaos early on which set off alarms from Big E until it was too late.

It is indeed a very safe assumption that Tal0S was deeply involved with the next generation Astartes but it was ultimately left in the hands of Cawl to finish off. This isn't surprising once you realize Tal0S would have been the first Primarch the other Primarchs went to when they discovered the flaws in their Geneseed because Tal0S is the only Genetor among them who could possibly figure out a way to fix it and without alarming Big E. In this case Cawl was likely directly mentored by Tal0S for the Astarte Primaris projects before being reassigned by Girlyman to finish it. Tal0S was most deeply involved in trying to fix the flawed geneseeds and recover lost geneseeds very early on. At this point Thousand Sons are already plagued by their geneseed flaws and Leman Rus is also aware of problems with his Geneseeds. So its a only matter of time before Rus tracks us down personally to try and find a way to fix his Legion.

Tal0S is likely to pull something similar to Magnus with his obsession for knowledge but instead of Warp, it is Materium. That is how he gets into trouble. As Big E is a psyker and the Imperium is dependent upon the Warp. Tal0S has already been tainted by both Chaos and C'Tan soon enough the Necrons will emerge to find him too much earlier than expected. We know during the Horus Heresy as Quartermaster Tal0S is a priority target for the traitor Primarchs and he has to resolve to deal with the Dark Admech solo. While everyone else struggles to hold the Imperium together. Tal0S has to deal with both Chaos traitors trying to destroy the Imperium and holding the Admech together while at the same time continuing his other projects. IF Tal0S survives the Horus Heresy he is likely to disappear while fighting against Dark Admech or vanish while pursuing the means to destroy the Warp with the help of the necrons.

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Anonymous ID:s0e0nK5s Tue 17 May 2022 22:01:45 No.5271564 Report

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>>5271499

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Anonymous ID:s0e0nK5s Tue 17 May 2022 22:05:41 No.5271566 Report

Quoted By: >>5271611

>>5271562
>the most likely fate of his Legion is being converted into tech marines
Hey, maybe techmarines were never a thing pre HH and after everything that happened the II legion is splintered harder than a C'Tan and becomes the tech marines. Over the course of 10k years no one really remembers what's up but that mistrust the rest of the chapter feels towards techmarines originates from there.

Now look at this AMAZING paintjob

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UVXQSzUT Tue 17 May 2022 22:11:28 No.5271574 Report

Quoted By: >>5271611

>>5271562
If we get purged in the Xenocides like cannon (probably fuse with the C'tan shard that was used there and disappear) and everything continues on a similar path to cannon we will probably end up taking control of Imperium Nihilus with Necron tech aligned with them against the Chaos infestations and Roboute's Eldar aligned Imperium.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Tue 17 May 2022 22:30:07 No.5271595 Report

Quoted By: >>5271611

>>5271562
>Keep in mind his entire Legion and existence get deleted post Horus Heresy so hard that not even the Chaos Primarchs can compare.
This is even worse than dying

And something we should avoid.

It's almost as bad as going traitor Chaos for no good reason

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:8mKgPoHX Tue 17 May 2022 22:42:32 No.5271611 Report

Quoted By: >>5271622 >>5271675 >>5271683

>>5271566
Also their closeness to the Admech. The two lost legions were destroyed before Horus Heresy. So sometime before the Heresy our Second Legion is likely to be broken up and converted into Tech Marines who will be redistributed resulting in the distrust of Techmarine traditions. Since the original tech marines weren't even from the same Legion and their closeness to the admech. According to the Primarchs they apparently also had such severe geneseed problems that it was why the Primarchs who had problematic geneseeds were terrified of the Emperor finding out because they didn't want to get their Legions destroyed like the Two Lost Legions due to those flaws. The second Legion solved this geneseed problem via bionics and all became Techmarines in order to save themselves but it may have also rendered their geneseeds useless hence the need to convert OTHER Legion Astartes into new Techmarines. So the Second Legion was indeed destroyed like in canon but more like dismantled and cannibalized.

>>5271574
In canon both Lost Legions were lost decades before the Horus Heresy. According to the other Primarchs this had something to do with their geneseeds being severely flawed and the actions of their Primarchs that pissed off Big E. Interestingly enough there were records of them all the way up to Post Horus Heresy when an order came down to completely purge ALL records of their existence but sparing the Traitor Legions. So while they were not directly involved in the Horus Heresy there wasn't a need to completely get rid of all the evidence of their existence until the Traitor Legion fallout from Post Horus Heresy. This raises some very interesting questions. As it means they were lost during the Great Crusade and didn't survive but didn't fall to Chaos or betrayal like Konrad Kurze. We also know there were plenty of hints that the Space Wolves were likely involved in their destruction. So the Legions were sanctioned and purged sometime during the Great Crusade neither were they traitors. Although there is proof that suggest Two Lost Legions had surviving marines and geneseeds(likely flawed) that were recycled but there was a problem with their primarchs.

Here is something very interesting worth noting. According to the Traitor Legions and Primarchs. One of the Two Lost Legions was investigating Necron technology like the Ygma Monolith during the early stages of the Great Crusade. The Second was the only Primarch found at that time because the other was found later on. Whatever he found was never recorded.

>>5271595
Its gonna be an interesting challenge to see how we avoid getting deleted.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lxfAXIAl Tue 17 May 2022 22:42:54 No.5271613 Report

Quoted By: >>5271618 >>5271630

Perhaps what could warrant the continued existence of the 2nd Legion and Talos while the balance is maintained, is the 11th Legion and their primarch going traitor. The antithesis and eternal foe. Perhaps they join forces with the Dark Mechanicum.

Or maybe a more active Lorgar that isn't just spending thousands of years meditating and contributing almost nothing.

The eternal rival and foil, to which Guilliman finds us still battling it out.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Tue 17 May 2022 22:50:35 No.5271618 Report

Quoted By: >>5271630

>>5271613
That's actually an excellent theory. It fits so many ways. Lorgar and Talos are really not going to see eye to eye even during the Great Crusade. More so, the 2nd legion is good at shutting off their emotions and likes to blow up planets. It is our specialty. Maybe we end up getting tasked to obliterate Monarchia rather than the Ultramarines.

With our null tech and shutting off the warp in regions, Lorgar can't just sit back. We are committing the vilest heresy against the realm of his gods, and the greatest threat to Chaos. And not to mention he has three times as much reason to hate us because when the Emperor blames him for religion, he summons another religious son to purge him, and no matter how hard he points at us he still cannot risk the Imperium warring with the Mechanicus. Plus given how we are a Fabricator General and him arguing directly with us cuts him off badly from his normal admech support, forcing him to resort to those techpriests even we find no favor in. We may end up pushing the Dark Mechanicum closer to the Wordbearers even more so than they are now, for they both worship Chaos undivided.

Lorgar cannot meditate upon the mysteries while we still live, and neither can Talos rest while Lorgar is about the galaxy, the true representation of the warp gods he despises so and the great enemy of the Dragon and his Machine God.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UVXQSzUT Tue 17 May 2022 22:53:09 No.5271622 Report

Quoted By: >>5271626 >>5271630

>>5271611
In cannon both the lost legions were lost during the Rangdan Xenocides. We (sorta) know that the emperor unleashed a C'tan shard to win that war and since we already are called the prophet a slightly metallic dragon we might have fused with the shard and made events go the way they did in cannon.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Tue 17 May 2022 22:59:42 No.5271626 Report

Quoted By: >>5271630 >>5271633 >>5271635

>>5271622
Shit. We dream of making it to 41k and were so focused on surviving the HH, we forgot we also need to figure out how to survive the Rangdan. . .

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:8mKgPoHX Tue 17 May 2022 23:05:54 No.5271630 Report

Quoted By: >>5271634

>>5271613
>>5271618
That is actually a really good point. Lorgar won't be able to just sit back and relax if Tal0S is still alive post Horus Heresy. Both Lost legions were destroyed during the Great Crusade but they had surviving marines who were mindwiped and their geneseed was reused. So Guilliman could awaken and discover that Tal0S has been waging a secret shadow war against the Dark Admech and Lorgar the entire time for the past 10000 years.

>>5271622
>>5271626
...Well shit. That C'tan shard is especially bad for us considering our choices. That would explain why we got erased if we got eaten by a goddamn C'tan Shard in order to win the war. I wonder what happened to the other Lost Primarch...and how do we not get eaten by a C'tan Shard when things were so grim that even the Big E himself went 'fuck it' and unleashed one.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UVXQSzUT Tue 17 May 2022 23:09:04 No.5271633 Report

Quoted By: >>5271642

>>5271626
The QM did mention that every stone will have a counterweight in this universe, so I'm really curious how the 11th primarch will be since it will be a persona completely belonging to our writer (considering the finesse of this quest, I'm very excited). Remember, if we survive the Xenocide so does he and will go on to join the Horus Heresy against us.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UVXQSzUT Tue 17 May 2022 23:13:31 No.5271634 Report

Quoted By: >>5271640 >>5271642 >>5271647

>>5271630
I believe that what little is written by the Rangdan is terrifying enough to warrant such response. Not only were they the ones that attacked first, when the Imperium launched an offensive to a MINOR Military outpost they had, a so-called attack moon was there that took 3 Gloriana class battleships to take down. It destroyed 2 and damaged the other before finally being destroyed itself

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Anonymous ID:9xMRUOoC Tue 17 May 2022 23:15:07 No.5271635 Report

Quoted By: >>5271642 >>5271647

>>5271626

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UVXQSzUT Tue 17 May 2022 23:23:36 No.5271640 Report

Quoted By: >>5271642 >>5271643

>>5271634
Oh and I need to mention, the Xenocides will start a little bit before the Lion is found. So at least we do have just a little bit of time before everything goes apocalyptic.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:8mKgPoHX Tue 17 May 2022 23:27:45 No.5271642 Report

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>>5271635
To be fair that is arguably our biggest problem even more so than surviving the actual Horus Heresy or the Rangdan...which leads to us getting purged. lol fuck.

>>5271633
That's assuming we both still don't purged even after surviving Rangdan.

>>5271634
Yeah well, it was only beaten by the Horus Heresy itself in terms of losses the Imperium sustained. It crippled several Legions that didn't even fully recover up to the Horus Heresy and led to the direct destruction of two of them. We can make an educated guess and safe assumption that Tal0S is in danger of getting eaten by the C'tan shard unleashed by Big E that gets him purged. The Imperium never sustained such crippling massive losses for their Legions until the Rangdan. Not including the other losses.

>>5271640
There were multiple Rangdan Xenocide campaigns.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Tue 17 May 2022 23:29:12 No.5271643 Report

Quoted By: >>5271646

>>5271640
Damnit, the Lion being found is when we would get the chance to find Glavia and Galath, since it's in the neighborhood.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UVXQSzUT Tue 17 May 2022 23:32:53 No.5271646 Report

Quoted By: >>5271676

>>5271643
We won't have the chance to find Glacia and Galath since the Lion is found in the middle of the first Xenocide and given legion to help immediately.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Tue 17 May 2022 23:34:30 No.5271647 Report

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>>5271634
>Talos uses technomancy to consult the Federation's Guide to the Galaxy STC "How do we fight the Rangdan?"
>"Rangdan - An aggressive and horrific species hostile to all known life both human and alien on the eastern corner of the Galaxy. Dealing with the Rangdan can be summed up in one word: Don't. The Iron Men are ceasessly manufacturing and throwing their numbers to contain the threat so that you don't have to. Why entire planets worth of material have been converted to automated weaponry just to take down a handful of-"
>Closes book
>"Guys. . .this is really really bad."

>>5271635
lol, fuck if that isn't true.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UVXQSzUT Tue 17 May 2022 23:40:53 No.5271651 Report

Quoted By: >>5271653

The Rangdan is one of the reasons I supported Technomancy so religiously, because in cannon the Imperial tech couldn't compare with Rangdan (to the point where Horus tried to get some for himself during the heresy to help his cause) and with Technomancy we can and should close that gap as soon as possible. Especially on Xana because it gets sieges by the Rangdan

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:6FhbGcRV Tue 17 May 2022 23:45:22 No.5271653 Report

Quoted By: >>5271708

>>5271651
The xenocides will be where the 2nd's "Most numerous Legion including auxilia" strategem will be put to the test but also prove its worth.
Hopefully we aren't the ones thrown into the meat grinder in place of the Dark Angels (currently the largest legion going by pure astartes alone). But we would actually be the better legion for it.

Also we still have the Mitu war to fight, so we will have time. The Mitu themselves are our first challenge and no pushovers either. I can't wait to use our new skills against them, whatever is chosen.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:8mKgPoHX Tue 17 May 2022 23:53:56 No.5271661 Report

Quoted By: >>5271665 >>5271811

>>5270528
>Machine (Technomancy)
I don't think chronomancy can save us from getting eaten by a C'tan shard. However knowing how to use necron tech used to seal and control them might.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UVXQSzUT Tue 17 May 2022 23:58:02 No.5271665 Report

Quoted By: >>5271763

>>5271661
This is true.

Even Orikan, the most esteemed Chronomancer of the Necrons, had little defense against a shard of the deciever. Our only hope in that regard is Technomancy and developing our own monoliths to contain c'tan shards.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:s0e0nK5s Wed 18 May 2022 00:18:12 No.5271675 Report

Quoted By: >>5271680

>>5271611
>all became Techmarines in order to save themselves but it may have also rendered their geneseeds useless hence the need to convert OTHER Legion Astartes into new Techmarines. So the Second Legion was indeed destroyed like in canon but more like dismantled and cannibalized.
I love this

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Wed 18 May 2022 00:18:46 No.5271676 Report

Quoted By:

>>5271646
Yeah, that's why I said damnit.
I'm going to have to endure being blue balled for a while longer.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:z0JLOBks Wed 18 May 2022 00:20:59 No.5271680 Report

Quoted By: >>5271683 >>5271708

>>5271675
I don't love that. A nihilistic ending where Talos just ends up deleted sucks.

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Anonymous ID:s0e0nK5s Wed 18 May 2022 00:26:15 No.5271683 Report

Quoted By: >>5271686

>>5271680
>>5271611
How about Talos continues being the dragon's prophet and ends up being a HUGE deal with him planning on doing Biotransference into his entire legion and the ones that escaped (rebelled and wanted to remain loyal to the Empie) had their geneseed botched because of the technomagiks involved. H*ck even they DID get their bodies turned into necrodermis but that is THE BIGGEST SEKKRIT EVER and that lead to the institution of the techmarines and ties to anon's idea.

So yes, we the players decide that biotransference is a good idea and that gets us DELETUS. Then guilliam goes to his whole primarch bussines and then talos goes >>5271457 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNgxyL5zEAk

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:s0e0nK5s Wed 18 May 2022 00:29:16 No.5271686 Report

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>>5271683
And since it's 40k Guilliman can't just unplug us because TalOS WANTS the empire to survive even in this only-data state >>5271522 So TalOS ends up in this very very very awkward place where he is some sort of not-god but a hidden sect among Mars' priests.

Omg this is so exciting we have the whole fanfiction written up!!!

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Anonymous ID:s0e0nK5s Wed 18 May 2022 00:34:44 No.5271695 Report

Quoted By: >>5271763

And Mars schism wasn't really going to happen even with Kel-halbor being corrupted because of the Lucian Federation but the whole afair with the second legion left the Mechanicum in such turmoil that Regulus (Horus' envoy) managed to do his sneaky stuff Just as Planned.

Now, what is the name of the second legion? I stll want to call them the Destroyer Legion because AWESOME but maybe something Dragon related? The dragon legion. The sons of the dragon. The dragon's chosen. The techno draconis... https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Black_Dragons ah... there are some dragons... but they are part of the 21th founding so that's many, many years after. And this chapter grows BONE SPIKES how amazing...

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:8mKgPoHX Wed 18 May 2022 00:44:34 No.5271708 Report

Quoted By: >>5271721

>>5271653
We are likely looking at our Legion getting annihilated. Even with our loose standards for Aspirants and wide recruitment pool to replenish our numbers. Even the Blood Angels never fully recovered up to the Horus Heresy which is who they lost to the ultramarines in terms of numbers. Especially since Xana is gonna get besieged where we plan to shove all our top secret research projects.

>>5271680
It fits 40k Grimdark tho. The survivors of the two lost legions were mindwiped and their geneseeds lost among traitor legion loyalist geneseed stocks that were secretly used to found new Chapters of unknown origins. The most mysterious aspect of the two Lost Legions is their Primarchs. As apparently they were considered 'broken tools' and couldn't be reused like the rest of their Legion despite not being outright traitors.

Plus avoiding getting deleted is technically our biggest problem and it happens before the Horus Heresy(which we also somehow have to survive).

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Wed 18 May 2022 01:00:59 No.5271721 Report

Quoted By: >>5271727 >>5271763

>>5271708
For the first part, we will just have to absolutely put as much meat and mechanical shield around our astartes as we can if Big E wants to make us the vanguard. Or we can maybe try not to be in the east as much as possible. Or thirdly, we can just really focus hard on that recovery game better than anyone else.

If the Ultramarines could recover from the Rangdan and grow faster than others because of having so many recruitment worlds and emphasis on it, nothing should stop us from doing the same.

For your second point, I gather it might be common for these lost/new primarch quests to end in "but they were forgotten". But I agree with anon above, that sort of game/story which amounts to nothing mightily eats ass.

There are better ways to see Talos through and through while still remaining grimdark I say. In the very least, we can try to buy an exception like Guilliman does.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Wed 18 May 2022 01:04:54 No.5271727 Report

Quoted By:

>>5271721
I agree if the what's the point of playing a primarch quest if no matter what we do we aren't really able to effect anything. if no matter what we do you end in Purge or Forgotten it might as well be a fanfiction instead of a quest.

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Anonymous ID:s0e0nK5s Wed 18 May 2022 01:55:17 No.5271760 Report

Quoted By: >>5271779

With the whole Data-!Chaos-War that TalOS might be forced to fight (if everything happens) in 40k I think we should design our own Chaos... mmm... what do we call it? An equivalent for chaos god but in data would be nice.

I mean it, the dark mechanicum, what do they praise to? Yeah, they each serve a god and the patron reflects the daemon engine but aren't they in chaos side because of their interest in reaching greater heights? There is ought to be some sort of Chaos-Data-Whatever they give Gloria to.

And while I don't know how do we call it, I do know WHAT do we call... her

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZM4up0sWJI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iZMD_eCpEo

In the grim darkness of the future, while the Emperor of Mankind has to battle against the forces of chaos as a whole and spread thin, TalOS Dav1d ,patron of the Techsorcists, battles against a singular enemy. Which is also an interesting twist. Remember how we've commented that our boy is so warm and human even though he is the one that should be the least human? Here he fights close and personal against only one foe, even though an antivirus is supposed to protect against anything

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Anonymous ID:s0e0nK5s Wed 18 May 2022 01:57:14 No.5271761 Report

Quoted By: >>5271779

This other image is not p0rn right? It's pink so... might be confusing

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CQCG32zT Wed 18 May 2022 01:57:52 No.5271763 Report

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>>5271665
But becoming like Orikan would be really really fun as we shall have the ability to know exactly what sort of shit we shall be stepping into and when combined with space means we can hilariously thwart destiny by making it mechanically impossible to proceed as planned.

And we shall not be subject to his limitations as while he's limited by traveling through his own personal timeline, what does that matter to one where all time/space is but a teleport away.

TLDR: Gentlemen. We are going to Peer Review the shit out of Destiny and Fate.
>>5271695
So Should we try to coopt Kel-Halbor instead of Horus so that when Horus gets there we pull a trap card on his whole rebellion?
>>5271721
No matter how wide the UltraMarine recruitment pool is or how good their logistics are, they are not and will never be mechanicus.

We will have hive worlds, forge worlds, Ancillians and Space Marines alike. We shall have Skitari and all the

They make excellent use of resources available to them. We supply the Imperium en mass. We must cast down the Martian domination so we can control the Mechanicus ourselves.

None of the other legions will be able to compete when that is done.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Wed 18 May 2022 02:22:40 No.5271779 Report

Quoted By: >>5271790

>>5271760
>>5271761
This is some next level heresy.

On a more serious note, I did ponder what the outcome would be if we pre-empted horus by taking Itzara Khayon, the half brain dead sister of Iskandar Khayon of the Thousand Sons, and did the apotheosis procedure on her to make her the Machine Spirit of our flagship instead of Horus. We redeemed Xana, could we redeem other things?
Or if UZI were Machine God forbid ever to be in danger, we might help her transcend to machine spirit too rather than lose her completely
Having a holographic Cortana like advisor one of our ships (or rather who is one of our ships) would be cool. Kinda like the Sarrin to our Angron.

Also on the topic of redemption if the universe is balanced, I wonder what Forge World we are damning by helping Xana. Maybe Stygies. . .

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:8mKgPoHX Wed 18 May 2022 02:38:24 No.5271790 Report

Quoted By: >>5271792 >>5271796

>>5271779
Apparently, only some of Xana techpriests turned to Chaos and fled to the Eye of Terror after they were defeated on Xana during Horus Heresy to establish a new chaos forge world of Xana 2. Xana itself stayed with the Imperium and didn't fully convert into a Dark Admech world since they were defeated and fled. So we didn't actually change anything in that regard unless whatever we did stopped the founding of Xana 2 entirely. This I doubt given how extensive an infestation Xana is rotting from in terms of chaos and rampant AIs. We can end up nuking the warp taint with null tech but dealing with the rampant AIs is going to be a big problem. So there will no doubt be a dark admech insurrection on Xana during the Horus Heresy just like what happened in canon and Xana 2 will be founded unless we somehow kill them all.

40k canon Xana is a loyal forge world/penal world of some kind despite aligning with Horus initially the Imperium recaptured Xana and the defeated Dark Admech went on to establish Xana 2.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Wed 18 May 2022 02:41:54 No.5271792 Report

Quoted By: >>5271798

>>5271790
>Apparently, only some of Xana techpriests turned to Chaos and fled to the Eye of Terror after they were defeated on Xana during Horus Heresy to establish a new chaos forge world of Xana 2. Xana itself stayed with the Imperium and didn't fully convert into a Dark Admech world since they were defeated and fled.
Is that really true or is that an inference?

Rogal Dorn himself was the one to declare Xana in rebellion, apparently seeing the time was right to obtain its compliance at last.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:s0e0nK5s Wed 18 May 2022 02:47:20 No.5271796 Report

Quoted By: >>5271798

>>5271790
>founding of Xana 2 entirely
anon.... Xana is the name of the gas giant and Xana II the name of one of its moons, common trope in sci-fi

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:8mKgPoHX Wed 18 May 2022 02:48:41 No.5271798 Report

Quoted By: >>5271800 >>5271804

>>5271792
>>5271796
I checked. Its canon. Xana turned traitor but was defeated by the Imperium and recaptured as a forge world. Its defeated dark admech forces fled to the Eye of Terror to go on to establish Xana 2. The confusion is because Xana is the second world of its star system and there is a second Chaos Forge world named Xana 2 so people mistake them for being the same exact forge world. Technically they were established by the same dark admech forces though which really doesn't help with the confusion.
However, there are hardly any canon sources about them past the Horus Heresy and Great Scouring. So nothing to go on in terms of what condition they're in by 40k besides getting reclassified as a penal world too. So apparently the Imperium held a grudge of some kind.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:s0e0nK5s Wed 18 May 2022 02:50:58 No.5271800 Report

Quoted By: >>5271808

>>5271798
w-wait what? gosh that confused me. Damn you dark library!!!

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Wed 18 May 2022 02:58:03 No.5271804 Report

Quoted By: >>5271808

>>5271798
More likely Xana being so far away in the middle of bumfuck nowhere without its former Admech masters to keep things running was not profitable to the Imperium nor desired by the Admech to restore, and thus turning an isolated blasted planet into a penal colony far away was an okay use for it.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:8mKgPoHX Wed 18 May 2022 03:03:40 No.5271808 Report

Quoted By: >>5271813

>>5271804
That's the thing 40k Xana is classified as a Forge World/Penal World. So maybe they turned into some kind of forced labor camp or something and kept the forges running. Impossible to know exactly what that means since there was nothing to elaborate on it.

>>5271800
Yeah, I had to double check between both articles of Xana and Xana 2 cause it confused me too. They are separate though if only due to the distances involved.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Wed 18 May 2022 03:09:26 No.5271811 Report

Quoted By: >>5271814 >>5271815 >>5271816 >>5271817 >>5271831 >>5271833 >>5271855 >>5271862

Chronomancy
>>5270536
>>5270539
>>5270540
>>5270560
>>5270571
>>5270575
>>5270589
>>5270614
>>5270632
>>5270764
>>5270998
>>5271164
>>5270532

Technomancy
>>5270610
>>5270705
>>5270720
>>5270817
>>5270836
>>5270982
>>5271008
>>5271084
>>5271319
>>5271549
>>5271533
>>5271661
>>5270940

Its even...

Well, honestly, whose up for both?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:8mKgPoHX Wed 18 May 2022 03:11:53 No.5271813 Report

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>>5271808
Another interesting fact about Xana besides its massive stockpile of machinery, cybernetics, and robotics suspected to date back to the DaoT. Along with its very advanced technology and stockpiles were a major reason they were suspected. Xana is one of the very few forge worlds capable of manufacturing Ordinatus Ulator. It also maintained its own experimental Titan Legions who sadly turned traitor. Xana had some real good stuff before Horus Heresy happened. Shame about them getting fucked by the Rangdan and Traitors.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:s0e0nK5s Wed 18 May 2022 03:13:58 No.5271814 Report

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>>5271811
*Goes back in time and uses his parents phones to vote for chronomancy*
Nothing personnel...

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Wed 18 May 2022 03:14:28 No.5271815 Report

Quoted By: >>5271817

>>5271811
As in lock both right away right now and no more unless we achieve reaching and surviving the HH?

I'm down.

>SUPPORT

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Anonymous ID:6FhbGcRV Wed 18 May 2022 03:16:13 No.5271816 Report

Quoted By:

>>5271811
I would be lying if I said no. Yes both please.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:s0e0nK5s Wed 18 May 2022 03:16:44 No.5271817 Report

Quoted By:

>>5271815
>>5271811

Wait, so accepting this two willbe our two (2) technomancies for the whole quest????
>I am down

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:O6OxcQ6D Wed 18 May 2022 03:35:55 No.5271831 Report

Quoted By:

>>5271811
Both. Both is good.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Wed 18 May 2022 03:38:02 No.5271833 Report

Quoted By:

>>5271811
I ain't gonna complain. I'm assuming we won't get a second one like you said >>5271101. Even if it does I'm fine with locking down our 2 fields now.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:x+hl93ja Wed 18 May 2022 03:59:13 No.5271855 Report

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>>5271811
fuck it sure.

The Machine QM

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Wed 18 May 2022 04:09:45 No.5271860 Report

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The air of the workshop was visible for any who were inside of it. The simple volume of incense was so immense in this facility that one could barely see through the fog that the one inside of it generated. Many who had human lungs would have coughed or suffered but the one inside was put at an immense peace and tranquility.

The reason for this was that he needed that peace. What he did now was of immense value to both himself and the Mechanicum as a whole.

A new eye was opened to TalOS, in a sense. Just as he had witnessed the horrible reality of the Warp through the blood of a navigator, TalOS became a witness to the true beauty that was the universe. It was the Motive Force. The Motive Force as witnessed by his God.

TalOS had always seen the Motive Force as a mystical phenomena. Something that gave items and objects a sort of ability to do what it did. In a sense TalOS was correct in that the Motive Force did allow things to move and act but it was so much more.

It is an intrinsic force that touches every piece of reality. Something that existed even before humanity walked upon the universe. A fundamental existence that TalOS began to realize was reality in a sense.

TalOS could only compare it to the Warp in a sense in that it was a raw energy. A raw energy that was given purpose. Though while the Warp gave purpose through thought the Motive Force gave it through action.

Yes. It was the source of all action that would take place in the universe. Let it be the action of gravity, time, flesh, and machines.

TalOS moved his hand and watched the smoke of the incense dance for a few moments. That there was a form of action and thus was TalOS channeling the Motive Force. He only needed to focus harder on these actions. To refine them in such a way that they would literally become power.

That would be his goal. To refine action itself.

As TalOS watched the dissipating action in his eyes he began to wonder. His hand employed a mechanical action and through time the mechanical action took place. As a fundamental, Time was surely a basis of the Motive Force. And with it, Machines can be used to employ this power.

TalOS pondered and pondered as he began digging into the database of dogma available to him.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Wed 18 May 2022 04:10:46 No.5271861 Report

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As TalOS pondered they had entered the Warp but for once in his life TalOS did not care. TalOS was gaining an understanding of the Motive Force and how such a thing governed the reality of the Universe. How the Machine God himself used these strings of power to exercise his divine ability throughout all of the Mechanicum.

TalOS could not help but feel honored by the facts given to him. The fact the Machine God itself has given him a glimpse at its tools was something the Primarch could not express in its entirety.

The Primarch took a deep breath and allowed himself to calm. First he needed a way to sense the Motive Force. He had felt it once for sure and now that he thought about it the Primarch had felt it numerous times during miracles. But right now he could not sense it.

TalOS could feel a small bit of hypocrisy in him as he realized that is how the races who studied the Warp acted. They needed to first be touched by the Warp and be able to experience it before even employing it. But TalOS was not using the Warp. No this was the purest form of research the Primarch could ever employ.

There were no screams, laughs, daemons, or corruption. It was the truest form of divine research that TalOS could have hoped to reach.

Before TalOS were a pair of books. Indeed, through his research TalOS had run into tombs that were stationed upon the ship. Studying them TalOS realized they were of Mar’s making, likely because the ship they were using was taken from his legionnaires that had already arrived on his planet.

One was of the Fulgerites. Those that would collect the Motive Force within themselves and employ it in a way that only more Force would be collected. The Motive Force after all is in everything, but only the Mechanicum and its allies shall have the right to use it.

The Corpuscarii on the other hand released the Motor Force. To shower their enemies in divine lightning so that they might see through the overwhelming power of the Motive Force the divine fury of the Machine God and his Omnissiah.

TalOS, an outsider, saw things in a sort of conjunction. TalOS was sort of aware of this competition but only now that TalOS realized the true extent of a series of cults under him. How true they were in their thinking, both of them. After all the Motive Force is simply the divine Action of the Universe. You can rob one of their action and you can dose someone else in action as well.

In the end they all used the Motive Force and served the Machine God.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:B7gvHxNl Wed 18 May 2022 04:10:50 No.5271862 Report

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>>5271811
You know what, your a cool dude OP. I never believed what they said about you.

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By the time TalOS realized it he had dozens of books on his desk and hundreds of different files within his cogitators. So much of the dogma TalOS realized had so many more truths within it than TalOS ever thought possible.

How long had he been gone though? It was eight days twelve hours and eleven minutes with the seconds still counting. TalOS did not know this through his cogitators but instead felt it within the bones of his body. Time was acting upon him and thus he registered it. A divine act by the Motor Force.

TalOS knew that he barely scratched the surface. The ideas of allowing the Motive Force to flow through oneself was something that TalOS felt was his next step. He would first work with Machine like the Fulgerites and Corpuscarii followed by trying to refine his focus on time itself. If he did those TalOS would surely be able to gain a sense of it. A sense of the Motive Force.

TalOS quickly began creating schematics and ideas. The fact was that these machines employed by the cults of Electro-Priests were unfine and did not follow the concepts that TalOS saw. As the Primarch reached over and rubbed his hand over the Blackstone Amulet he felt something.

Maybe Blackstone held the answer. TalOS knew that Blackstone was instinctively connected to reality so does that mean it was intubated with the Motive Force? That that was the reason it in conjunction with electricity could grip the warp in a snare of power.

As he thought this an idea came into TalOS’s mind. One that took him several days to realize.

The Knight the Machine God spoke of. That person… it did not seem the Machine God held him in malice but he was still someone who did not want the Void Dragon to speak as it did. Would TalOS risk the Knight’s attention?

>Keep it hidden. To learn is the journey of the self.
>A small cabal of the knowing. Likely his apprentice, children, and friends
>Practice in the open. If they can tolerate psykers than there is no issue.

This is what happens when a Primarch takes LSD

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Wed 18 May 2022 04:34:28 No.5271914 Report

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>>5271865
>Practice in the open. If they can tolerate psykers than there is no issue.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Wed 18 May 2022 04:39:53 No.5271920 Report

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>>5271865
>A small cabal of the knowing.
>Likely his apprentice and children

I presume this is asking one of two things or both:
-Do we talk about the visions of our god openly
and
-Do we practice Technomancy openly, the kind that cannot yet be properly explained until we bridge it to modern physics i.e. the time stuff

Esp. in the purview of "The Emperor is totally going to know if we start using Technomancy that either we've been in contact with Necrons or more likely while he was fighting to contain bloody thing it probably was influencing his son/primarch weapon"

I believe in this case we absolutely must keep knowledge of this to a minimum. We trust UZ1 with our lives, and Trig and Vera's minds are unreadable. Plus this is like our emergency card, we cannot let others know yet we have this power.

One day we will have to confront the Knight or his Wizard, our creators both, and we the Dragontouched will have to come to some agreement that we are still of the same kingdom of men and fight for the same cause against the perils of the warp. For now, let us keep our trump card as secret as we can to all but those who are close to our heart.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TL/saIlR Wed 18 May 2022 04:43:43 No.5271929 Report

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>>5271865
>A small cabal of the knowing. Likely his apprentice, children, and friends

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/d+B0sWj Wed 18 May 2022 04:44:29 No.5271931 Report

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>Practice in the open. If they can tolerate psykers than there is no issue

Road to Fabricator General! Road to Omnissaiah! Road to Hokage!!!!!!

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Wed 18 May 2022 04:45:36 No.5271932 Report

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Also I see history repeats itself.

The once and future Knight fights the Dragon again, wielding the flaming sword of a King, the Wizard at his side
He surrounds himself with 20 new Knights of the Round, imparted with a piece of his blessing
I suppose that makes Talos The Time Traveling Connecticut Yankee. Where the other knights fight with magic and swords, he brings a gun, dynamite, and electric.

I forget how this ended up the last time. Something to do with his son. Ah well, I'm sure it was fine.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:O6OxcQ6D Wed 18 May 2022 05:57:11 No.5271980 Report

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>>5271865
>Practice in the open. If they can tolerate psykers than there is no issue.
Gonna say we should do this. The Emperor did not care when Magnus was surrounded by tiny daemons of tzeentch in his presence or Curze recieved visions from Chaos. Curze and Angron were insane and angron had butchers nails tech given to his sons.

Talos using super science isnt the worst thing he has passed a blind eye to. As for keeping it secret, Magnus using his warp powers 24/7 did not reveal any weaknesses to be exploited.

It's also narratively boring to keep it hidden. No primarch kept their gift a secret, they flaunted it. Its what gave them character and let them shine. We shouldnt hide Talos' new gift since it is a sign of the true blessing of the Machine God. 40k characters dont hide their abilities, they show them off and let others know not to fuck with them.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fR+yno8R Wed 18 May 2022 06:03:23 No.5271982 Report

Quoted By: >>5272851

>>5271865
>Practice in the open. If they can tolerate psykers than there is no issue.
If the other Primarch's can show off openly, like Magnus and his psychic powers, then we should too.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UVXQSzUT Wed 18 May 2022 06:25:54 No.5271992 Report

Quoted By: >>5272020 >>5272851

>>5271980
This is true, the thousand sons literally had chaos familiars lying around helping with menial tasks and such and the emperor turned a blind eye to it. But the emperor is also a massive hypocrite and can be a dick or outright stupid when dealing with his sons. Like how he dealt with the Angron situation, or how stupid he was in his punishment of Lorgar. Despite this, my vote will be
>Practice in the open. If they can tolerate psykers there can be no issue

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:l+t1mZ3h Wed 18 May 2022 07:18:47 No.5272020 Report

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>>5271992
That's just reinforce the theory that Dark gods had some agreement with the Emperor for primarchs creation. There's no agreement with void dragon he's basically a prisoner who earn for freedom.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:l+t1mZ3h Wed 18 May 2022 07:19:56 No.5272021 Report

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>>5271865
>A small cabal of the knowing. Likely his apprentice, children, and friends

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:8mKgPoHX Wed 18 May 2022 07:41:03 No.5272030 Report

Quoted By: >>5272851

>>5271865
>Practice in the open. If they can tolerate psykers than there is no issue.
Probably gonna bite us on the ass but not doing so would be even more crippling and yet another thing to avoid getting purged on.

>>5272020
Chaos Gods knew ahead of time that half of the surviving Primarchs would fall to Chaos. Big E did not. Big E's relationship with Void Dragon was never really ever elaborated on. Especially given the lack of necron influences on the Admech vs the Eldar influences on the Imperium under Big E. The Chaos Gods actually have a pretty good sense of Foresight. It's why Eldar and Necrons are so paranoid/obsessed about fucking up destiny and Fate as it's one of the best ways to screw over Chaos. Albeit the Necrons and Eldar both take very different approaches in how to do so. Tal0S is obviously going to favor the Necron approach to the matter.

It's also worth noting that it's possible to 'blind' Chaos by using Null tech. It's why Chaos is practically blind whenever the Necrons are involved. They had shit mastered when they were fighting the Old Ones still. Unlike the Eldar who rely upon trickery and plots to skew the warp. Tal0S null tech approach is similar to what the Necrons do to guard themselves against the Warp.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:s0e0nK5s Wed 18 May 2022 07:52:41 No.5272033 Report

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>>5271865
>>Keep it hidden. To learn is the journey of the self.

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Anonymous ID:s0e0nK5s Wed 18 May 2022 07:54:48 No.5272034 Report

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>>5271932
it... it didn't ended up well

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:s0e0nK5s Wed 18 May 2022 08:01:03 No.5272035 Report

Quoted By: >>5272229

>>5271932
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVli81zszRY
wait, shit, now I got your reference

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UVXQSzUT Wed 18 May 2022 08:38:47 No.5272058 Report

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With our abilities now if we keep decide on keeping it hidden what'll happen will be that we unleash it as a crutch tool when we're desperate and need a way out, which in turn will make us seem more suspicious if people do not know we had such powers to begin with.

Paradoxically I really believe trying to hide this power will be more likely to end with us being purged rather than letting the world witness it. It'll make everything more suspicious regarding us.

And we do kinda have the treaty of Olympus Mons to cite concerning our religion, in the end we'll probably end up like the Khan to the emperor, distant but loyal.

What we really need to look out for is malcador, there's a reason why most Primarchs hated him

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dq6EIqQR Wed 18 May 2022 09:03:42 No.5272066 Report

Quoted By: >>5272851

>>5271865
>Practice in the open. If they can tolerate psykers than there is no issue.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:8wbVUBdG Wed 18 May 2022 09:08:51 No.5272067 Report

Quoted By: >>5272851

>>5271865
>Practice in the open. If they can tolerate psykers than there is no issue.
Might as well pull the band-aid off early so we get to know how far we'll be able to go.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dlIWFprB Wed 18 May 2022 09:19:41 No.5272076 Report

Quoted By: >>5272851

>>5271865
>Practice openly

Perturabo Appreciater

Perturabo Appreciater ID:g1rGs+J3 Wed 18 May 2022 09:33:07 No.5272082 Report

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>>5271865
>Practice in the open. If they can tolerate psykers than there is no issue.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Wed 18 May 2022 11:27:39 No.5272138 Report

Quoted By: >>5272140 >>5272851

>>5271865
>>Practice in the open. If they can tolerate psykers than there is no issue.
just don't show off or be a dick about it, restraint is the key here.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Wed 18 May 2022 11:31:41 No.5272140 Report

Quoted By: >>5272156

>>5272138
bye the way, there is a reasoning why the emperor wouldn't have to worry about TaL0S loyalty. At least as long as he doesn't threaten him, his family or the mechanicus without good reason.

The Machine God didn't command him to fight or threatent he knight, and the emperor is his creator, that is without question. So by the logic of the mechanics in following the machine god TaL0S has to follow the orders of his creator, that goes in his mind for both the machine god and big E. Some things are better than outright Loyalty, like respect and knowing of ones purpose.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Wed 18 May 2022 12:13:09 No.5272156 Report

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>>5272140
>the emperor wouldn't have to worry about TaL0S loyalty. At least as long as he doesn't threaten him, his family or the mechanicus without good reason.
That's what Talos thinks IC and what I believe most players think OOC too.

The problem is who knows what the Emperor is thinking. Look at how he treated other primarchs like Angron or Lorgar.

Lorgar would have been utterly loyal if he permitted his faith, although to confess I'm sure the Emperor considered his worship of himself to be very embarrassing and also counter to his personal beliefs.

In our case, at least Talos keeps his faith to himself and the Mechanicus is not in the business of mass proselytization. The Mechanicus does not care if the common masses are believers or not, so long as they work and do not offend the machines. Only smart people become techpriests. Basically its a little bit like Judaism, which does not emphasize missionary work and focuses on a chosen people.

In that regard, we don't push our faith in his face and also we are trying to shift away from him being worshipped. It may not be the most ideal, but its better than Lorgar I hope. And even if it isn't in his eyes, he can't challenge us lest he also challenge the mechanicus.

A fact that will bring Lorgar no endless rage I am sure.

As for loyalty, the only real drawback is if ever the Void Dragon has purposes counter to the Emperors and we must decide. I pray that will not be the case

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Wed 18 May 2022 12:15:01 No.5272158 Report

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>>5272156
Well, I know. Specifically I need to for the purposes of this quest.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Wed 18 May 2022 12:20:58 No.5272164 Report

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>>5272158

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Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Wed 18 May 2022 12:21:07 No.5272165 Report

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>>5272158
>worries intensify

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Wed 18 May 2022 12:22:15 No.5272169 Report

Quoted By: >>5272170 >>5272381

>>5272164
I'm the QM. For the purposes of this Quest I need to know what the Emperor thinks.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Wed 18 May 2022 12:23:18 No.5272170 Report

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>>5272169
Yes and for the purpose of memeing we need to repsond with worry whenever you say anything even vaguely disambiguos.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Wed 18 May 2022 13:30:05 No.5272227 Report

Quoted By: >>5272287

>>5271865
>Practice in the open. If they can tolerate psykers than there is no issue.
Prophet time
>>5271932
So Horus would be Mordred.
Who would be the Gawain, the green knight? The lion?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Wed 18 May 2022 13:31:25 No.5272229 Report

Quoted By: >>5272232

>>5272035
I'm pretty sure he is talking about his book
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Connecticut_Yankee_in_King_Arthur%27s_Court

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Wed 18 May 2022 13:33:25 No.5272232 Report

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>>5272229
This, not his.
I don't think he is the ghost of Mark Twain.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:RnaS3yHe Wed 18 May 2022 14:14:04 No.5272274 Report

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>>5271865
Us having this knowledge and being willing to teach or share any of it, I believe will essentially take the teeth from any future dark mechanicum. For the same reasons many of them joined with chaos would be the reason they instead join us we can offer new avenues of study for techpriests to cut their teeth on for quite awhile, and many of which at the detriment to chaos to boot.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Wed 18 May 2022 14:30:30 No.5272287 Report

Quoted By: >>5272870

>>5272227
Ahem

Emperor: Arthur
Malcador: Merlin
E̶r̶d̶a̶-̶M̶o̶r̶g̶a̶n̶a̶ (NOT CANON)
I Lion: Ywain - The Lion Knight
II Talos: The Connecticut Yankee - "This is my BOOM stick"
III Fulgrim: Bedivere - The handsomest
IV Perturabo: Kay - the grumpy one
V Khan: Gaheris - the quiet one
VI Russ: Lancelot - warrior unparalleled
VII Dorn: Ironside - of course
VIII Curze: The Black Knight – Kinda scary yo
IX Sanguineous: Calogrenant - everything Kay is not, polite, eloquent, and charismatic
X Ferrus: Gawain - unfortunately he actually did get his head cut off this time
XI ???: (Arthur the less? The unknown knight)
XII Angron: Sagramore – Easily angry, goes into a frenzy
XIII Roboute: Galahad - the perfect one
XIV Mortarion: Bleoberis - "of the wasteland"
XV Magnus: The Red Knight
XVI Horus: Mordred - of course
XVII Lorgar: Agravaine - the arch-accomplice
XVIII Vulkan: Galehaut - the half giant
XIX Corax: Percival - raised in the woods
XX Alpharius/Omegon: Alpharius - Alpharius

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ntozOKsv Wed 18 May 2022 15:39:11 No.5272351 Report

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>>5271865
>Practice in the open. If they can tolerate psykers than there is no issue.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:O6OxcQ6D Wed 18 May 2022 15:54:28 No.5272376 Report

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Hey QM, when the Emperor visited us, was he on the Bucephalus or have they built the Imperator Somnium yet?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:x+hl93ja Wed 18 May 2022 15:54:54 No.5272378 Report

Quoted By: >>5272851

>>5271865
>Practice in the open. If they can tolerate psykers than there is no issue.

"Talos how high are you?"
"I am 3 levels above the warp"

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:x+hl93ja Wed 18 May 2022 15:58:06 No.5272381 Report

Quoted By: >>5272396 >>5272483 >>5272869

>>5272169
Well okay so called "QM" what does the emperor think?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:O6OxcQ6D Wed 18 May 2022 16:10:07 No.5272396 Report

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>>5272381
That's for Talos to find out, and for us to hope and fret and wonder.

Machine QM

Machine QM ID:gBQUGH+d Wed 18 May 2022 17:26:29 No.5272483 Report

Quoted By: >>5272509

>>5272381
How hard it is to scratch his ass while in a 3 ton golden set of armor.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Wed 18 May 2022 18:04:04 No.5272509 Report

Quoted By: >>5272516

>>5272483
Is that a theoretical or a practical question? I.e. "boy if I really looked like this, it would be hard to scratch myself" or "Man, it is hard to scratch myself."

Joking of course.

Though I wonder how close to the Emperors "true form" Talos might see in the Quest, or what it will be if he does.

All the primarchs note how hard it was to actually remember what the Emperor looked like, even Dorn who never forgot a thing in his life. Roboute says sometimes he was taller than them in the golden armor form, sometimes he was shorter. Corax saw a young brown skinned man for a few brief flickers.

John Grammaticus, a powerful psyker and perpetual, saw something that made him want to puke.

My headcanon is his golden big shiny form is an aura for the masses, his young swarthy anatolian conan self is his original identity as a man and thus what Corax or a Null might penetrate to see, and what John Grammaticus saw is the Emperor of 40k. Mummified bones, kept alive through sheer psychic will long after the body should have died ages ago. What happened to the wounded emperors body on the Golden Throne from the Vengeful Spirit to 40k was not a slow biological decay, but simply the Emperor no longer able to expend his aura on maintaining himself to be beautiful when he has a galaxy to guard..

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Wed 18 May 2022 18:08:39 No.5272514 Report

Quoted By: >>5272518 >>5272520 >>5272872

For that matter, I wonder if Talos can look at his flesh with technomantic eyes and see his own true form or rather, how his Primarch body works at a fundamental level.

Can he see his cells, the molecules the atoms that bind himself and see how not all of it obeys the laws of physics. How there are seemingly holes in the physical and quantum equations that do not explain the whole picture. His enhanced strength, speed and neurological impulses are being enhanced by en energy not of this world. A psychic energy. An energy that in a normal human like Uzi is so small it is barely perceptable, and basically imperceptible on Trig and Vera, but in Orks. Eldar and his acillians and especially himself glows hot.

"By the Machine God. . .I'm partly made of psychic energy."

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Wed 18 May 2022 18:11:07 No.5272516 Report

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>>5272509
Nah, iirc the sisters see a normal man and since only Null's can truely see him for what he is that is the most likely "True" form of the emperor. What Grammaticus saw was the emperors mind, experience and age.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Wed 18 May 2022 18:12:09 No.5272518 Report

Quoted By: >>5272872

>>5272514
I think the already suspected that he was made as or by warp abilities, but he refuses for that to define who he really is, that is only for him and his convicitions to decide.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Wed 18 May 2022 18:14:29 No.5272520 Report

Quoted By: >>5272521 >>5272872

>>5272514
Not for long.
Null gang assemble.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Wed 18 May 2022 18:15:31 No.5272521 Report

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>>5272520
And no, I don't know why I spoiled my post.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lSS0X/cr Wed 18 May 2022 18:59:02 No.5272590 Report

Quoted By: >>5272851

>A small cabal of the knowing. Likely his apprentice, children, and friends

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Wed 18 May 2022 20:15:50 No.5272677 Report

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>>5271920
Switch to
>Practice in the open. If they can tolerate psykers than there is no issue.
Consider me convinced

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Wed 18 May 2022 23:10:52 No.5272851 Report

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Practice in the open
>>5271914
>>5272677
>>5271980
>>5271992
>>5272030
>>5271982
>>5272066
>>5272067
>>5272076
>>5272082
>>5272138
>>5272351
>>5272378

Others
>>5271929
>>5272021
>>5272033
>>5272590

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:s0e0nK5s Wed 18 May 2022 23:28:10 No.5272869 Report

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>>5272381
that ur mom's a hoe

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:s0e0nK5s Wed 18 May 2022 23:29:11 No.5272870 Report

Quoted By: >>5272873

>>5272287
what about astolfo

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:s0e0nK5s Wed 18 May 2022 23:38:29 No.5272872 Report

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>>5272520
>>5272518
>>5272514
"finally, i will cut myself off the warp for good!" *turns to dust*

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Wed 18 May 2022 23:40:47 No.5272873 Report

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>>5272870
That one is a companion of Charlemagne, not Arthur.
So he is a Paladin, not a Knight of the Round Table.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Thu 19 May 2022 01:18:11 No.5272964 Report

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They traveled for two weeks through the Warp was a time that TalOS would find hard to forget. Having one’s hands on a concept and existence that was as barely understood as he had now was something that could never happen to him as of now. It was simply a goal that the Machine God placed in front of the Primarch but it was by far the most difficult thing that he had to deal with.

A simple concept TalOS had to realize. One that the entire Mechanicum had already figured out thousands of years ago. Yet now he understood that very concept had so much more meaning in it than anyone ever realized.

The time of studying has slowly come to pass. Indeed TalOS needed much more material and understanding of the Universe before he could go forward but there was only so much TalOS could develop on the theoretical front. Instead the Primarch realized that the time for the particle would be coming.

The design was something as simple as testing the theories of the Electro-Priests. Each of them had proven that there was indeed something within their teachings that TalOS needed to learn. So with that truth TalOS looked upon their machines with a sense of promise.

He needed to gain a sense of the Motive Force. To touch it with his own hands. With Machines he would gain that and after that he would fine tune it. He simply needed to gain a sense of the Machine first and then move on from there.

With that thought the Primarch continued his creation using just his brain and cogitators.

His foundation, the machine that started his ascension, would be a massive device that would passively accumulate the powers of the Motive Force. After that he would likely need to start the employment of Electro-Priest augmentations so that he can learn the flow patterns and balance the power of the Motive Force going through his veins.

Though TalOS knew his time for now was up. As he got a notification from the Noosphere from his current right hand.

They have arrived at the next planet of their journey. The planet of Columnus.

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What TalOS saw was not a Forge World like all the others he had seen. Instead what welcomed him was a massive planet that had within it a massive visual volume that could not even compare to that of a standard solid rock world. Simply put, a Gas Giant.

+Columnus.+ TalOS declared as he walked his way onto the bridge, +You have done good work Magos L4M. You did not disappoint.+

+I thank you for the honor, Arch Dominus.+ The Tech Priest answered while giving a bow, +Have you been able to process your enlightenment? I have had notifications about the large volume of documents and tablets entering your domain.+

+I believe there are secrets among the Cults of the Electro-Priests. Their kind has harvested the Motive Force for milenia and sure have knowledge that I Arch Dominus does not have yet.+

+Then I pray to the Machine God that you have realized the correct path.+ The Magos answered while giving a solemn bow.

+Arch Dominus.+ The Magos in charge of signals called out as several of his Machine Spirits began yelling, +We are receiving hails from Columnus.+

+Route to me.+ TalOS declared as he saw one of the disks upon the planet slowly come into view.

TalOS had seen a record of the mystical technology that the Columnians used but seeing it in person was indeed something else. As the planet they were apart of was a gas giant they employed a series of continent sized disks that glided across the surface of the gas cloud where they can easily harvest the air for minerals and life support molecules.

Expensive to make for sure TalOS guessed and by far extremely hard to remake. But the Primarch was still interested in them.

+Arch Dominus of Lucius, we welcome you to our planet.+ Declared the person on the other side of his line, +I am Magos August of Columnus. May I have confirmation of the plans we received through Astropathic communication?+

+I have come here to talk to the people of your Forge World.+ TalOS declared whole heartedly to try and convey his feelings through the vox system, +Do I receive a welcome?+

+You do Arch Dominus. We welcome any children of the Machine God and Omnissiah in our clouds.+

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Thu 19 May 2022 01:20:56 No.5272967 Report

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The way down was much more subtle and uneventful than any ship to planet landing the Arch Dominus has participated in. Though TalOS knew it was mainly because he was entering something closer to a Planetary dockyard than a genuine void to surface entry.

As the vessel arrived and the tailgates dropped, TalOS was once again welcomed with a contingent of Skitarii and Tech Priests. Though this time the leader of the posse held a body that placed him at near perfect height with TalOS. That was not due to the man’s own biology but instead the making of his augmentations from this very world.

The Priest gave a bow as he welcomed TalOS, +I am Fabricator General Lexus, Lord Primarch. I welcome you to my Forge World of the Clouds.+

TalOS could not help but hear the pride in the voice of the Priest, +It is an excellent work of the Machine God’s will. In my time traveling the stars and rediscovering civilizations this is the first time I have witnessed such wonders of Technology. And while I do hold the Title of Primarch I ask that you speak of me as the Arch Dominus.+

+I shall make sure the entire Forge World understands that Arch Dominus!+ the Priest announced, +Shall we walk and talk?+

+We shall.+ TalOS agreed while taking a few steps forward.

+Arch Dominus, I am sure you are already aware of the standard that you have brought by coming onto our planet.+ The Fabricator General said with a small bit of jolliness, +The word among the Astropaths has been erupting with your discovery and many flocked to Lucius only to find you gone. While I am honored, I did not expect you to come upon my Forge World before even Mars.+

TalOS looked at the Priest for a moment before he felt his mind transfer to a trail of thought. It seemed the Title of Primarch carried more weight than TalOS could have even dreamed of using. The Arch Dominus was also detecting that it came with a series of growing expectations set by his two brothers.

Communication with TalOS’s fleet had dropped because they were in the region of the Holo Stars for two weeks which drove any requests away from him. Now though he would need to answer them all before an equal.

>TalOS is gathering a Coalition for War. Mars is simply one part of that growing army.
>While Mars is the wearer of the crown, TalOS sees more value in its gems.
>Obfuscate the question by propping up the value of Columnus. TalOS cannot risk problems coming up from answering that. (Like a call to head directly to Mars)

Yes I know Columnus is not what I described. Its only appearance is in an Iron Hands book 'Eye of the Medusa' though and no one actually cares about the legion Ferrus Manus.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Thu 19 May 2022 01:35:02 No.5272978 Report

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>>5272967
your description sounds very bioshock.
>Obfuscate the question by propping up the value of Columnus. TalOS cannot risk problems coming up from answering that. (Like a call to head directly to Mars)

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Thu 19 May 2022 01:36:30 No.5272981 Report

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>>5272978
Yeah, though I wasn't really thinking like Infinite. Instead of dozens of small ships think a giant floating countries.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TL/saIlR Thu 19 May 2022 01:43:20 No.5272990 Report

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>>5272967
>Obfuscate the question by propping up the value of Columnus. TalOS cannot risk problems coming up from answering that. (Like a call to head directly to Mars)

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Thu 19 May 2022 01:46:45 No.5272993 Report

Quoted By: >>5273359

>>5272967
Unlike Xana we have no reason to assume this Forge World's not loyally pro-Martian so let's not gratuitously shake our gyro-articulated penile mechadendrites at the Martian establishment by playing politics here unnecessarily. We already gained no favors by playing transhuman diplomat last time, and although getting the Xanites over to our side was worth it, there's no similar upside here and a lot to lose by abandoning (perceived) orthodoxy so early on in our tour.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Thu 19 May 2022 01:48:01 No.5272994 Report

Quoted By: >>5274046

>>5272967
>>Obfuscate the question by propping up the value of Columnus. TalOS cannot risk problems coming up from answering that. (Like a call to head directly to Mars)

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Thu 19 May 2022 01:52:09 No.5272997 Report

Quoted By: >>5274046

>>5272967
>While Mars is the wearer of the crown, TalOS sees more value in its gems.
I like being direct.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:s0e0nK5s Thu 19 May 2022 01:53:42 No.5272998 Report

Quoted By: >>5273686 >>5274046

>>5272967
>Obfuscate the question by propping up the value of Columnus. TalOS cannot risk problems coming up from answering that. (Like a call to head directly to Mars)

>propping up the value
BUILD SHIPS M'BOY. We need a damn large navy

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J06DqA2J Thu 19 May 2022 02:23:19 No.5273025 Report

Quoted By: >>5274046

>TalOS is gathering a Coalition for War. Mars is simply one part of that growing army.

Mars needs to get cut down a peg

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Anonymous ID:x+hl93ja Thu 19 May 2022 03:07:55 No.5273069 Report

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>>5272967

>TalOS is gathering a Coalition for War. Mars is simply one part of that growing army.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9p/p+gHP Thu 19 May 2022 03:27:59 No.5273090 Report

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>>5272967
>While Mars is the wearer of the crown, TalOS sees more value in its gems.

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Anonymous ID:2iAxtefX Thu 19 May 2022 08:39:47 No.5273349 Report

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>>5272967
>TalOS is gathering a Coalition for War. Mars is simply one part of that growing army.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dlIWFprB Thu 19 May 2022 08:50:15 No.5273352 Report

Quoted By: >>5273625

>>5272967
>obfuscate the question

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Anonymous ID:96GNwPBD Thu 19 May 2022 08:57:10 No.5273358 Report

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>>5272967
>Obfuscate the question by propping up the value of Columnus. TalOS cannot risk problems coming up from answering that. (Like a call to head directly to Mars)

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:8mKgPoHX Thu 19 May 2022 08:58:21 No.5273359 Report

Quoted By: >>5273457

>>5272993
We are already going to lose Orthodoxy's stance since Void Dragon worship was a very hush hush topic for the admech. We kinda...blew that out of the water. Not to mention are opposing ideals of Big E being inspired by Eldar vs us being inspired by the Necrons.

At the current rate, the schism is going to be a threeway between the Dark Admech, Orthodoxy Admech, and whatever Tal0S unleashes.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 19 May 2022 10:22:19 No.5273456 Report

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>>5272964
Very interesting Talos has also takes up a curiosity in the electrical arts. But Electric/Magnetic Force is indeed one of the many elements of the Motive Force, though I would have thought he'd ponder the chronomantic technologies more.

Perhaps he wants to diversify and gain some secondary ethermancer knowledge! Talos loves variety!

I care about Ferrus Manus. He's probably one of the brothers we'll somewhat get along with more than the brothers we won't.

Talos, Vulkan, Ferrus and Perturabo are the tinkerer gang!

Plus I think his legion and the acillians will find the most empathetic bretheren because we both have a taste for the flesh being weak and replacing it with bionics.

Also i'm not even awares there is a canon Columnus, it's not on the wiki or on the map, so you're pretty much free to fluff it up!

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 19 May 2022 10:26:53 No.5273457 Report

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>>5273359
We're practicing Technomancy openly. That does not mean we are going to put up a giant billboard that the Void Dragon exists.

The Mechanicum has, is, and even under Talos will still always be a secretive organization with a needs-to-know basis.

Remember, they wouldn't be called the "Mysteries" if everyone knew about them, and we took Xana specifically as a place to hold some of our secrests. Or look at Stygies.

Previous Fabricator Generals, perhaps going all the way back to before the Admech when Mars was in the Federation, have been aware of the Void Dragon in one shape or form. When Talos becomes Fabricator General, he will surely be aware of it too.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 19 May 2022 11:14:48 No.5273475 Report

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>>5272967
>Write-In: Talos is on a Pilgrimage, and is ministering to the forge worlds before he sees the Holiest of Planets
>He is also gathering a Coalition for (the Mitu) War

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Okay, so my reasonings:
#1 I presume we are in fact on a trip to various forge worlds on a path ending at Mars. either before or after the Mitu war is one, and allies for the Mitu campaign.
#2 Whenever we get to Mars, we may have the option to try and push to become Fabricator General once there if we can gain enough clout through the allies we have gathered
#3 It doesn't matter if Mars "call us". Mars can just call us anyway after that stunt we pulled on Xana or on trumped up charges. if they do, we can tell them we are already heading to Mars on a pilgrimage, and unless we have blasphemed or are accused of heresy, have committed an act of war, or Mars is in imminent threat and requests immediate aid, they cannot deny us the right of pilgrimage. We also have a War to fight which could prevent us from immediately heading over there, as we must ensure the survival of the forge worlds against the alien. If they want to see us, they can meet us in the field.
#4 by admitting (rightly so) that Mars is the holiest of planets, they cannot accuse us of misspeaking. Mars is, and always will be, the Holy Planet. It is the spiritual birthplace, even if we do shift a lot of the power to Lucius or make a Pentarchy or what have you (basically Mecca will always be Mecca. But that does not make it Damascus or Istanbul which Lucius could be one day as the political and military heart)
#5 We still do have political reasons to be here, because we are gathering allies for the Mitu War to reclaim a sector and its forge worlds from the alien clutches

Talos is no mere politician, nor even a warlord or "Primarch". . .he's a prophet of the Machine God here to unite the followers under his banner. There is a time for obfuscation and secrets, and there is a time for a Primarch to be a force of will and charisma. In the case of our journey to Mars to gather allies and assert our claims, this should be the second.

Basically, let's continue to follow the Lorgar example. Gather up all the disperate Churches and a huge congregation, before we make our final move on Vharadesh and its ecclesiarch. Then the capital city can decide whether they want to be with or against the entirety of the congregation assembled and Prophet assembled before them.

Possibly we could try to win the Mitu War first, so that we have not only done a great pilgrimage but also won our own Reconquista/Crusade of the Lucius Sector to recover lost forge worlds from the Mitu heathens. Thus, when we get to Mars we will have:
-Allies who have fought and bled with us in War whome we have helped, a majority of the Admech in the Galaxy
-Religious claims to both having undergone a holy pilgrimage, and a Reconquista

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 19 May 2022 11:32:39 No.5273480 Report

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I might say this analogy is apt:

The men of the Holy City need not call upon the Prophet (Machine God bless him), for he will come to them. But first the tribes will unite his war banner, defeat the alien heathens, rescue the faithful and the holy places, and reclaim that which was lost to the men of the Holy City. Once the work is done, then will our great host of faithful arrive to give prayer and thanks to our Machine God.

Then we can meet, face to face.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:kBac4xeL Thu 19 May 2022 11:38:13 No.5273484 Report

Quoted By: >>5274046

>>5273475
>Support
Overall, pretty solid. This will endear us to both Mars loyalists and those who seek to subvert Mars. Sounds like a pilgrimage to the hajj, where some Ottoman Padişahs would go on the pilgrimage gathering allies on the way to eventually throw out part of the military that was against it.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:yw3OTc6H Thu 19 May 2022 11:51:59 No.5273496 Report

Quoted By: >>5274046

>>5273475
>+1 Support
To break with ritual is to break with faith. What is more ritual than a pilgrimage?

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Thu 19 May 2022 12:22:24 No.5273510 Report

Quoted By: >>5273514 >>5273530

>>5273456
The main reason for that is that the Electro-Priests literally interact with the Motive Force in lore. Its unrefined but its still interacting.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Thu 19 May 2022 12:27:02 No.5273514 Report

Quoted By: >>5273530

>>5273510
The main issue is that you cannot use Necron technology for this. I'm up for you guys throwing tech ideas, but its gotta either be with things the Mechanicum has or TalOS personally has access to.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 19 May 2022 12:55:32 No.5273530 Report

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>>5273510
>>5273514
Looking it up myself, it does seem that the canon Motive Force does indeed focus primarily on electricity and thus the Electro-Priests focus on it. Which makes sense given the mechanical and bioorganic nature of machines and life. It also sorta makes sense given that pretty much the vast majority of the processes of life are reliant upon the fundamental electric force (all bio-chemical reactions are based upon the exchange of electrons in atoms)

So linking the Motive Force's understanding to a primarily electric nature is sound.

Personally, I think there is room to expand upon it from a theological perspective.

There are, to current human understanding, four fundamental forces. One of them is electricity, but there is also the gravitic force, and the strong and weak atomic force. Without gravity, there would be no movement of planets about the stars, without inertia there would be no movement at all. And without the atomic forces, the precious life giving power of suns and stars would not fill the black void nor would the nuclear batteries that power so much of our technology function.

For now linking the motive force to mostly the electrical variety is fine. Maybe Talos could extrapolate upon it one day. After all Grav-Tech and Rad-Tech are also big in the Mechanicus.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 19 May 2022 13:20:20 No.5273546 Report

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In regards to human based time technology that could synergize with our choice of Chronomancy, a few canon examples come to mind none of which Talos has access to yet but might one day.

The Imperium has access to stasis fields, used to preserve things for long term storage. Like Guilliman after he was wounded. Examples include the Locke-Pattern Stasis Pod on the forgeworld Locke, used to contain Tyranid Genestealers so they don't wreck the ship up. Or the Null-Box which is DAoT era tech the Inquistion remove dangerous warp specimens outside the influence both of the normal flow of time and the warp.

Stasis Bomb/Stasis Grenades. On tabletop the implication is that Dark Angels are limited to this technology, having hoarded the STC for it in the Rock and denying that they have it. Of course in BFG its treated as a ubiquitous but rare flagship weapon that can be used to slow down entire fleets. I'm not sure where QM wants to go in the direction, given BFG has some questionable stuff to the lore (like Imperial ships making short range warp jumps mid battle as a tactic when if you think about it that's kind of insane). Perturabo and the Mechanicus made use of a stasis bomb against the Hrud, so I'm inclined to believe that the Mechanicus has the ability to make Stasis bombs but are just salty the Dark Angels have their own STC and aren't sharing it.

Valoris time shackle which he uses to stop the localized flow of time around himself. That could be similar to a Chronomancers Timesplinter Mantle or Chronometron perhaps, but of course we'd need to meet Valoris in the first place.

Lastly there is the Ark Mechanicus Speranza, still slumbering on the planet Palomar in the Halo Stars. That one had a technology such that, when its black hole cannon missed firing at an Eldar ship that psychically predicted and dodged out of its way, adjusted time so that the ship ended up still colliding with it.

We might not be able to technologize Chronomancy in the near future, but there are hopefully pathways we could one day stumble across.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J06DqA2J Thu 19 May 2022 13:20:26 No.5273547 Report

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>>5273475
+1 pilgrimage

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Anonymous ID:O6OxcQ6D Thu 19 May 2022 14:33:55 No.5273611 Report

Quoted By: >>5274046

>>5273475
>Support
A pilgrimage explains well why we didnt head straight for Mars. And Mars cant complain

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Anonymous ID:dlIWFprB Thu 19 May 2022 14:47:20 No.5273625 Report

Quoted By: >>5274046

>>5273352
I change this to
>Pillgrimage

That's a fucking solid political counter move.

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Anonymous ID:6FhbGcRV Thu 19 May 2022 15:00:13 No.5273649 Report

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"Lucian Reconquista"
damn fine name for the mitu war, we we have even been gathering knights for it
Also we did exorcise an entire planet of daemon virus, Talos actually is ministering. He can take pride in that he's not making hot air but truly doing the Machine Gods work

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:6FhbGcRV Thu 19 May 2022 15:08:00 No.5273666 Report

Quoted By: >>5274046

>>5273475
>Support

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Anonymous ID:s0e0nK5s Thu 19 May 2022 15:32:58 No.5273686 Report

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>>5272998 I hange my vote in support of >>5273475
It also leans towards not aswering the question, which I like very much. I had already assumed this tour was called pilgrimage...

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Thu 19 May 2022 17:21:58 No.5273790 Report

Quoted By: >>5274046

I'll changeme vote here >>5272978 to

>Write-In: Talos is on a Pilgrimage, and is ministering to the forge worlds before he sees the Holiest of Planets
>He is also gathering a Coalition for (the Mitu) War

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Anonymous ID:nc3TMawJ Thu 19 May 2022 17:38:34 No.5273804 Report

Quoted By: >>5274046

>>5273475
>>Write-In: Talos is on a Pilgrimage, and is ministering to the forge worlds before he sees the Holiest of Planets
>>He is also gathering a Coalition for (the Mitu) War
I can get behind this, it provides plausible deniability while still pretty much letting us do as we like.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Thu 19 May 2022 17:53:05 No.5273819 Report

Quoted By: >>5274046

>>5273475
>>5272967
>this
it makes just as much sense as the other options, without outright ruffeling any suspiciously red feathers

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Anonymous ID:ntozOKsv Thu 19 May 2022 18:18:20 No.5273847 Report

Quoted By: >>5274046

>>5273475
>Support

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Thu 19 May 2022 22:06:20 No.5274046 Report

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Obfuscate
>>5272990
>>5272994
>>5272998
>>5273358

We are on a 'Pilgrimage' that just so happens to be gathering allies for a war.
>>5273790
>>5273069 - I'mma put war in this catagory since they both do the same thing. One is just outright and the other is kind sneaky/scummy.
>>5273349 - War only
>>5273625
>>5273475
>>5273484
>>5273496
>>5273611
>>5273666
>>5273804
>>5273819
>>5273847
>>5273025 - War only

Just visiting around
>>5272997
>>5273090

So a mix of lying and truth. Or at least a way to try and placate mars but ultimately does mean you all are expected to land on the red planet.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 19 May 2022 22:40:22 No.5274075 Report

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I don't see too much lying. We are truly on a pilgrimage visiting holy planets, and we are also gathering allies to help fight the Mitu. Both of these statements are correct. What are guilty of is a sin of ommission. Landing on Mars was never in doubt, but landing on there with as many Tech-Cardinals and the biggest following of faithful at our back we are not quite so open about.

I wonder if we are in fact gathering a large group of followers. There's plenty of room on our blackstone fortress for throngs of faithful, and after purging Xana of its daemon and helping to save Lucius I wonder if we've brought aboard zealous techpriests and acolytes. Just like Lorgar and Guilliman in Indomitus had throngs of faithful in their wake.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Thu 19 May 2022 22:45:45 No.5274083 Report

Quoted By: >>5274094

>>5274075
Its a cover for your purpose. Landing on Mars was in doubt. Don't think trying to gaslight Mars is gonna work after you told one of their Magos to fuck off.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 19 May 2022 22:58:16 No.5274094 Report

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>>5274083
True enough, it is a polite cover for our purpose but sooner or later or probably even immediately Mars will know our true intentions. We're just not going to give them a hook from which they can legally summon us to mars.

I don't equate shitting on the Martian leadership as necessarily doubt of us landing, quite the opposite.
We're just gonna land there when we're ready for it. When we have the Admech at our back.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Thu 19 May 2022 22:59:56 No.5274096 Report

Quoted By: >>5274135

>>5274094
True. Just know arguing for a white lie is never going to work here. As a DM I always make my players roll deception as they should when they try something like that.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Thu 19 May 2022 23:33:04 No.5274135 Report

Quoted By: >>5274159 >>5274176

>>5274096
I legitimizely thought the plan was to go to Mars last to try and get at least something from them (even if it's just platitudes)/placate. Let our "diplomat" (poor guy is probably getting reamed) do his job scrounging up support

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 19 May 2022 23:54:49 No.5274159 Report

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>>5274135
I don't think we've thoroughly decided what we want of Mars and it will also likely depend on the friends and influence we've made there along the way. I think winning the Mitu War first and reclaiming some lost forgeworlds will give us the most amount of political and influential power so ideally I would like for us to go back to Lucius and win the war prior to going to Mars but it depends if thats what QM has in mind or what the rest of you guys want.

As for Mars itself, I do not think we can nor should ever devaluate its religious or cultural significance. Arriving on Mars is going to be big regardless of what we want for it politically or its leadership. Our conservative diplomat probably did all manner of religious rites and prayers before the holy places. Mars is our Jerusalem, our Mecca, our Vatican City in one. Even if we don't like their leaders. But as much as it is a holy place to Mars, I hope we are a holy prophet to it (I posited a plan about using the Blackstone Fortress to bring massive amounts of water and thus, make actual physical rain on Mars and thus we have the true claimancy to Omnissiah. Not a one shot psychic trick, but literally restoring even a small ocean or great lakes for rain).

But how we want to play with mars I've seen several ideas thrown around. The popular one seems to be establishing some sort of Patriarchy, disseminating power amongst the various forge worlds with Talos being "first among equals". I mean, if we can model it somewhat off of Guillimans Tetrarchy and ensure all the leaders are as loyal to us and maintain a centralized organization as feasibly possible without just returning to Mars being too powerful it's not a bad idea. The downside is if these other patriarchs aren't very loyal to us and we've just split up the Mechanicum even more vulnerable for schism and Horus clutches.

Myself, I was initially just wanting to see Talos at the top or at effectively the top and working down from there. I see that as a better way to give us more control and thus give Talos more control when the schism happens. Even if we do split divide Church into patriarchy, I hope we ensure Talos and the 2nd Legion has great influence or some sort of overall way to reign the church in line and keep it together.

I like the idea of Mars being Mecca/Kyoto, a spiritual heart. While Lucius is Istanbul/Edo, the socio-political and military core.

Just gotta see how things play out and what we do when we get there, for now we should try and stack the deck in our favor as far as possible so we have options.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:8mKgPoHX Fri 20 May 2022 00:14:43 No.5274176 Report

Quoted By: >>5274188

>>5274135
Mars is technically easier for us to explore than the depths of Lucius(mainly because our null tech would actually be useful there). Beyond that in canon Mars outright attacked and suppressed any Forge World that grew powerful enough to challenge their position. So the issue with Mars is its hostility to powerful Forge Worlds and hence our need to unify with other Forge Worlds to prevent Mars from kicking our shit in.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 20 May 2022 00:24:21 No.5274188 Report

Quoted By: >>5274208

>>5274176
Not so sure about the easier part (iirc you made a post comparing the depths of lucius and mars I'll try and look it up again), but we will have our patron there. And we will also be next to Malcador, Arkhan Land, and other brilliant minds who might want to join us on a joint Harrowing of Mars.

I do hope at this point Lucius sector is strong enough to assert its de-facto independence. Even at its height, many forge worlds were more or less independent depending on how they felt. Just look at Forge World metallica and their militant culture, refusing to wear as little red as possible directly to display their indepedence.

As it stands the canon 40k Mechanicus was already somewhat of a federation of semi-independent forges giving lip service to Mars. Not sure how more or less centralized the 30k admech is.

My main drive to see more centralization rather than less is more because I think that's what Guilliman may advise, given that's pretty much how he treated Ultramar in its prime and only split it up to regional governors rather than Tetrachs out of regret of the Heresy. But that hasn't happened yet so he's likely still in his autocrat mood. And he was VERY good autocrat, a model we can and should ideally follow in my opinion.

Right now for sure if they can't afford a civil war with Xana, they absolutely can't afford one with Lucius which has a Primarch backing it up and now also has Xana.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 20 May 2022 00:34:23 No.5274201 Report

Quoted By: >>5274208

But as much as I'd like to see Talos to lean more autocratic in nature, he seems to genuinely believe in the Federation. Or at least that is what he has said by his words and actions on behalf of Lucius. So he will definitely have some power sharing leanings.

Too much autocracy is bad anyway. Makes too many enemies and if you make an organization too dependent on its brilliant superstar, it falls apart when you turn around for five minutes. Plus if everyone is dependent on us, we'll have even less time for personal research and that's even with technomancy. Even Guilliman was desperate to write a book on good governance, a Codex for good governmentship, but never got the chance to before Fulgrim slashed his throat. Now that we have time powers, maybe we can give him the time for it.

Still, Talos definitely can keep many a card in his pocket. You can never have too many options.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:8mKgPoHX Fri 20 May 2022 00:41:33 No.5274208 Report

Quoted By: >>5274221

>>5274188
Mars has daemons that we can nuke with null tech. Lucius likely does not since it's still a functional Megastructure that is somehow maintaining itself. The odds of a warp infestation are minuscule in its depths Downside is...breaking through those still operational security systems is going to be so...much...fun. Hence Mars is easier for us to delve than Lucius.

They were semi independent but if they grew powerful enough to actually challenge Mars it would intervene and smack them back down. Basically Mars doesn't care so long as they are TOO powerful enough to challenge its authority. If it is then it gets butthurt and intervenes.

I think we should consider more about how to handle the schism of the Admech since we know the QM is going to balance the sides no matter what. We must also consider how much Mars hates having its position challenged.

>>5274201
I believe a large part of Tal0S interest in a Federation model is a simple fact it makes others less dependent on him and gives him more free time to do his own thing. Even the Acillians are not obsessed with following Tal0S own specializations outside of genetor and that is more for the sake of making more of themselves.

Basically Tal0S favors a more Federation approach vs Martian Feudalism approach in terms of governance. This is especially the case because Tal0S has captured and governs non Forge and Knight Worlds which would otherwise complicate things. As a result, Lucian Admech under the influences of Tal0S is moving away from Feudalism and adopting a more enlightened technocratic voting approach ala Federation.

Who knows how Mars and the other Forge Worlds will think of that.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 20 May 2022 00:50:10 No.5274221 Report

Quoted By: >>5274249

>>5274208
>Lucius likely does not since it's still a functional Megastructure that is somehow maintaining itself.
I'm not so necessarily sure on that. What if its just that, like Mars, the defenses have remained intact enough or the AI/Machine Spirits are desperate enough to stay alive that they aren't just going to let the entire planet detonate. Or there could be some non-daemonic but still very dangerous rogue AI's and scrap code held at bay down there too. It could be very ugly in Lucius too, possibly even a hairs breadth from destruction.

Mars also has probably just as many, if not almost assuredly more and deadlier defenses especially around the Noctis Labrynthe by being older and home to a lot more prototypes.

In either case, at least now we have Technomancy, so our abilities to fight off the dangerous AI wherever they lurk are hopefully a lot better.

>Basically Mars doesn't care so long as they are TOO powerful enough to challenge its authority. If it is then it gets butthurt and intervenes.
Fortunately for us, and unfortunately for them, I believe they have already lost.
Lucius already was confirmed to be equal or superior to Mars in terms of resources and army. That's not including the backing of a Primarch and its very own Space Marine legion.
Add to that Xana, a planet also rich enough to hold off Mars, now formally part of the Federation. . .we can safely say that in a straight up Mars vs Lucius fight with no other intervention we'd stand the better chance. Of course, there's more forge worlds than Mars or Lucius, and that's why we're traveling. To get the balance tippers on our side.

>As a result, Lucian Admech under the influences of Tal0S is moving away from Feudalism and adopting a more enlightened technocratic voting approach ala Federation.
I just hope we avoid the perils of democracy. It never ever ever works in 40k. Not even the Tau do it. We have got to give it the strongest government we can while simultaneously not requiring us to devote so much attention to it. I hope Guilliman can help shed some light on this.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 20 May 2022 00:59:18 No.5274233 Report

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TalOS did have to be careful about his next words. To be outright against Mars would surely go around and ruin the Primarch’s already stained reputation with the Red Planet. No he needed to be coy and give something that would be much more easily accepted by anyone who did not think too deeply into his intentions.

+I am on a Pilgrimage throughout the realm of the Mechanicum.+ TalOS declared as he gave a wave of the hand, +I am hoping my travels will grant me some form of insight when the time comes return to war against the Mitu Collective.+

+Seeking enlightenment through a pilgrimage… that is an admirable goal Arch Dominus TalOS.+ The man spoke as they continued on their way through what TalOS noticed was a viewing platform.

+It is something that I need to do. It will only improve my chances in succeeding in my Reconquista against the Mitu.+ The Primarch admitted while placing a hand on his chest.

+Reconquista?+ The Fabriactor General caught those words with the accuacy TalOS would always expect of a Tech Priest.

+They are Federation Lands are they not.+ TalOS pointed out as he looked over the edge into the gas giant that was below.

+You seek… to attain succession from the Federation of Terra?+

TalOS gave a solemn nod as he heard those words, +It is simply a question on our right to rule. Times were tough and we needed to unite as a people against the dark gods and their minions that plagued our part of the Galaxy. Our right to rule comes from being a successor of the previous government to rule the stars, the Federation of Terra.+

+So you identify as the Federation of Lucius.+

+Indeed.+ TalOS declared as he turned back from the calm clouds of the gas giant, +Lucius is the one who started the Federation, just like Terra. Thus we have a right to name it after ourselves.+

The Fabricator General next to TalOS simply gave a nod as he understood the scheme, +Your Creator, the Omnissiah, did not see it fit to claim the Galaxy under those words. He instead declared that the Galaxy was Man’s by right and no others. No ancient Empire or invoking his own Divinity, but the simple act of us being humans.+

TalOS could not help but tell a moment of admiration in the eyes of the Tech Priest at that moment. It was just like TalOS when he spoke of the Machine God.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 20 May 2022 01:00:27 No.5274237 Report

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+Your Father, the Omnissiah, I cannot thank him enough to ending the age of darkness.+ The Fabricator General announced as he made a motion with his hands, +Before the arrival of Mars we were failing. Our systems that we barely understood were failing and within a few more centuries we would have fallen to the Gas Giant below. The arrival of Mars prevented that.+

+So they… helped you?+ TalOS asked the Fabricator General as they finally left the railings and back onto the streets.

+That is indeed the case. By reconnecting to the Red Planet we were able to recorperate and rebuild. I am sure that Lucius is experiencing the same is it not?+

+We were able to manage on our own.+ Answered TalOS, +You must understand that we were founded as a Federation.+

+That is true. I simply wondered if we shared such an experience. However I am sure that you, Arch Dominus, provided early salvation to your planet far more than you even realize.+

TalOS simply nodded to such a sentiment. Now that he thought about it the fight with the Plastoids would have surely gone much differently if he was not there. Lucius would surely have kicked the xenos off the planet but any retaliation would have been a long and arguish affair were barely anyone set off to it would have survived.

TalOS not only killed the Plastoids but provided Lucius with enough resources to rebuild.

A gift of a Primarch on any world was surely a grand endeavor and thus he realized why everyone placed so much value in the arrival of his own kind. After all he was only one and he had done so much for his planet.

+I do think your words hold value.+ TalOS finally admitted as he placed a hand near a symbol of his homeworld, +But I am sure Lucius would have become great without me. I have only given Lucius the tools to turn itself into one of the greatest.+

+Then you have surely come from one of the greatest forges.+ Admitted the Fabricator General with a small sense of sentiment within his voice.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 20 May 2022 01:01:30 No.5274239 Report

Quoted By: >>5274245 >>5274249 >>5274250 >>5274252 >>5274256 >>5274259 >>5274274 >>5274284 >>5274330 >>5274471 >>5274656 >>5274805

+So, you say that your Forge is in the middle of War?+ Asked the Fabricator General outright as the sense of awe wore off the two individuals.

+That is correct. The Reconquista for the lands of the Federation that the Xenos have stolen from us!+ Declared TalOS as he sent a profile to the Priest, +They are a psychic race and by far are the most daemonic of existences next to the Worshippers of the dark gods.+

+If a fellow Forge needs assistance than I am willing to pledge a few of my ships to the cause.+ Admitted the Priest as he sent TalOS another data package, +We are still building from the STCs that Mars have delivered to us and thus do not have terribly much. I do believe however that we cannot ignore another of our fellows in their time of need.+

+That is indeed generous of you.+ TalOS admitted while checking over the stats, +So you wish to devote five Cruisers and the same number of Skitarii Cohorts to our cause?+

+I believe that will be enough to keep ourselves secured.+ The Fabricator General assumed with what TalOS admitted was a reasonable analysis, +While most of Solar Segmentum is trodden there are still Orks that lurk the shadows of mankind.+

+The Greenskin are a tenacious foe. I have fought their kind a few times.+ TalOS admitted as he remembered only a few months ago, +They will not fall until their flesh has been torched assunder.+

+A statement that I am sure the Astartes would agree with.+ Pointed out the Fabricator General, +I have only met their kind once but they are a staunch sort. A perfect weapon to take back the galaxy with. We had some assistance with their kind from the Fifth when we were first discovered. I will admit they wore their emotions more than I would assume after hearing records of their kind.+

+I have an understanding that each of the Legions will reflect their Fathers even before we rediscover them.+ TalOS admitted as he remembered his conversation with Horus, +I will need to tell my fellow brother of the honors that you wish to place on his men. When we meet him.+

+Please do, Arch Dominus. I cannot thank you enough for giving me that chance!+

>Accept the allotted men and get back to the ‘Pilgrimage’
>Try and make some trade contracts so that more and more resources reach Lucius
>We need more man power! If its the Emperor’s front lawn the Orks are probably gone for sure anyways.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dlIWFprB Fri 20 May 2022 01:07:13 No.5274245 Report

Quoted By: >>5274259 >>5275324

>>5274239
>Try and establish trade contracts
The way of keeping power in the Feudal world.

But, lets have this noted, that Mars DID help them here.
I'm all for keeping their slights in mind, but we need to remember their good deeds too.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 20 May 2022 01:08:39 No.5274247 Report

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"A gift of a Primarch on any world was surely a grand endeavor and thus he realized why everyone placed so much value in the arrival of his own kind."
Props to the idiots at Nuceria.
Only they could fuck up so badly.

In another timeline, Angron could have been a filthy rich noble primarch as posh and uppercrust as the rest of them and sharing their mindset, but no they just had to shove nails in his head and throw him in the pit.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Fri 20 May 2022 01:09:11 No.5274249 Report

Quoted By: >>5274251 >>5275324

>>5274221
You know considering our eyes/technomancy/chronomancy we might be the only person who can safely explore the depths of Lucius (at least without fucking something up and blowing up the planet as a result).

>>5274239
>Try and make some trade contracts so that more and more resources reach Lucius
by the way QM did we end up giving Xana a copy of F.A.G

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:x+hl93ja Fri 20 May 2022 01:09:28 No.5274250 Report

Quoted By: >>5274254 >>5275324

>>5274239
>Try and make some trade contracts so that more and more resources reach Lucius and in return trade reaches here.

Remember we're here to build friends, NOT just rip people off.2xhms

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 20 May 2022 01:09:30 No.5274251 Report

Quoted By: >>5274260

>>5274249
Yes. Yes you did.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TL/saIlR Fri 20 May 2022 01:10:01 No.5274252 Report

Quoted By: >>5275324

>>5274239
>>Try and make some trade contracts so that more and more resources reach Lucius

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dlIWFprB Fri 20 May 2022 01:10:30 No.5274254 Report

Quoted By:

>>5274250
I think that's implied.

We've no reason to fuck them over.

Perturabo Appreciater

Perturabo Appreciater ID:g1rGs+J3 Fri 20 May 2022 01:12:49 No.5274256 Report

Quoted By: >>5275324

>>5274239
>Accept the allotted men and get back to the ‘Pilgrimage’

Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 20 May 2022 01:14:38 No.5274259 Report

Quoted By: >>5274273 >>5275324

>>5274239
>Try and make some trade contracts
I hope Lucius is actually rich enough to make them favorable. You don't win friends over by just asking for things and being a drain but getting nothing in return.

Kinda wish there was also some tech miracle or great deed Talos could do for Columnus too, but I suppose it is not bad to find a world well off.

ECONOMIC AND SOCIO-POLITICAL HEART HO!

>>5274245
Absolutely right.
When we get to Mars, we shall simply have to sort the wheat from the chaff. Or as it is written, "Separate the Steel from the Slag"

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 20 May 2022 01:15:44 No.5274260 Report

Quoted By: >>5274268

>>5274251
QM as of right now, would these trade deals be seen as favorable or desirable to Columnus?
They profit both of us right and we aren't just asking for extra stuff?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J06DqA2J Fri 20 May 2022 01:18:12 No.5274261 Report

Quoted By: >>5275324

>>Try and make some trade contracts so that more and more resources reach Lucius

I trust we are canny enough to convince them that our trading is part of our holy mission?

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 20 May 2022 01:21:10 No.5274266 Report

Quoted By:

Tbh the greentext option specifically says "so that more and more resources reach Lucius"
I think that's QM's way of saying "Hey Columnus give us more stuff" or "Lucius is kinda busy with its resources so likely the trade will be more in Lucius favor than Columnus and you are basically asking for more"

I would like to avoid saying "can I have more" because the current offer is quite generous and we want to get friends not favors owed by Lucius. We want to be the one giving out the favors.

If that's the case might switch.

Our goal here was to win friends, and the opportunities are somewhat limited.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 20 May 2022 01:22:23 No.5274268 Report

Quoted By: >>5274271

>>5274260
Its dependable and might be locked, but its a lot of resources to be expanding to a bunch of worlds when Lucius has a war to still finish and needs to be rebuilt.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 20 May 2022 01:25:21 No.5274271 Report

Quoted By: >>5274382

>>5274268
*liked. I meant liked.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Fri 20 May 2022 01:26:48 No.5274273 Report

Quoted By:

>>5274259
Filter the impurities from the metal.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:8mKgPoHX Fri 20 May 2022 01:29:10 No.5274274 Report

Quoted By: >>5275324

>>5274239
>Try and make some trade contracts so that more and more resources reach Lucius
Don't forget to offer them the F.A.G. and maybe some other techs if we want. Apparently, they already got transferred some STCs from Mars. I cannot really think of anything else besides FAG that would be particularly useful to them. They aren't like Xana who desperately needed Null tech.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 20 May 2022 01:37:33 No.5274282 Report

Quoted By: >>5274334

The primary prerogative in this pilgrimage is gaining allies and clout for the big showdown on Mars
Secondarily we should ideally gain reinforcements and resources for the War Effort.

I wonder if we can offer our allies Federation War Bonds. Invest in the Lucian Reconquista Today, share in the spoils Tomorrow.
Maybe we should also go find some rogue traders and sell them guns for resources. Rogue Traders love weapons! Especially the weird and quirky ones being played by PC groups from beyond the veil

Btw if Talos is bringing up the ghost of the Federation, I hope he gets a classy suit and tie one day for the occasional formal, non-admech occasions.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Fri 20 May 2022 01:38:08 No.5274284 Report

Quoted By: >>5275324

>>5274239
>Try and make some trade contracts so that more and more resources reach Lucius
Trade spreads ideology, religions and builds cooperation, as long as it is done in good faith.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:s0e0nK5s Fri 20 May 2022 02:22:43 No.5274330 Report

Quoted By: >>5275324

>>5274239
>>Try and make some trade contracts so that more and more resources reach Lucius
If they orbit around a gas giant then they must have tritium to spare, and who knows what other wondrous fuels! Of course, energy is not really a concern for our forge world... Damn, in fact, what do they even have that we might want? Lucius could certanly secure favorable deals if they are so much better with their forges

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:s0e0nK5s Fri 20 May 2022 02:26:30 No.5274334 Report

Quoted By: >>5274347

>>5274282
>suit and tie
That would be a lot of fabric to cover his bulk

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 20 May 2022 02:52:05 No.5274347 Report

Quoted By: >>5274518

>>5274334
You're damn right it would be

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Fri 20 May 2022 03:37:32 No.5274382 Report

Quoted By: >>5274446 >>5274745 >>5274756

>>5274271
While we're talking trade, how do their cities float on the gas giant? Grav-plates, suspensors, something else entirely? Having a look at the conceptual science behind that might be worth sharing some of our own research.

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Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Fri 20 May 2022 04:40:53 No.5274446 Report

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>>5274382
Also I'm hoping we can turn whatever it is into grav-rhinos that look better than the custodes ones...

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:2kZjAcOE Fri 20 May 2022 05:06:03 No.5274471 Report

Quoted By: >>5275324

>>5274239
>Trade
Also before we leave let's ask about HOW this place is suspended like this. If it's some sort of anti-gravity tech that could be nice to trade if they have manufacturing set up for it on a smaller level. I wonder if antigrav stuff is used at all in Titans, I'm sure careful placement of it could help save energy while moving. I admit I'm imaging us moving around like the power rangers robot. Slicing through xeno Godzilla with a giant power sword and we backflip over it, and the pyrotechnics going crazy.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J06DqA2J Fri 20 May 2022 06:08:34 No.5274518 Report

Quoted By: >>5274701

>>5274347
Would papa Emps decide that someone is screwing with him? Suit and tie is kinda limited to our century/time period.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:zkAlDX5E Fri 20 May 2022 10:08:41 No.5274656 Report

Quoted By: >>5275324

>>5274239
>Accept the allotted men and get back to the ‘Pilgrimage’

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 20 May 2022 11:23:05 No.5274701 Report

Quoted By: >>5274708

>>5274518
It's warhammer and space is big. There's every kind of culture and society out there.

You've got your caveman feral worlds
Your knightly fuedal worlds (as in the ones on horses)
and every type of cultural expy out there from mongol horsemen to viking savages and so on
I guarantee there are 21st century era civilized worlds too.

That and I would love to see if Talos hobbies in his spare time is as an archeologist and historian. Not just of technology but of the cultures they came from. A number of techpriests do such things, and it would endear us to Malcador.

One thing I like about the Solar Auxilia is that they hearken unto the Dark Age of the Federation, and our Lucian Federation is trying to claim succession. Rather than decry it as an ill time, we are able to separate the good and the bad, furthermore in this setting the knowledge of the Men of Iron appears to be known rather than forgotten as with 40k.

So if we're trying to call ourselves a renewed Federation, maybe we could take it a step further. Now that we have Tehcnomancy, imagine if we could but find even a single pict feed of a proper Federation Explorator and replicate his gear? The best of the best human technology out there given to all but the richest and most daring space explorers, that make even ignatus artificier armor pale in comparison.

Armorglass helmets and body armor far stronger than the adamantine alloy void armor, backed up by dark age personal shield generators.
Proper rayguns that make Volkites and Eradicator beams look like the farming pest control tech that they surely are, powered by microbreeders that need no reload.
Highly active machine spirits both in the helmet and in the man to ensure he can fight even with the worst the galaxy has to throw at them.

If we could but arm even a few of our best acillians or best human auxilia in Federation Era hero gear, or maybe even ourselves, that would be a proper display of our gift from the machine god and a true sign we have been blessed by him. I think it would go well with the Emperor since he's trying to do the same with the Solar Auxilia and wanted to reserve Adrathic destructors to his Custodes.

The Solar Auxilia use 30k tech and scraps to try and ape at a better time. What if we just brought that better time back to life, even for a few examples? Not simply a relic here or an artefact there, but a full set.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 20 May 2022 11:39:00 No.5274708 Report

Quoted By: >>5274820

>>5274701
That is of course, presuming in QM's setting the Solar Auxilia or what's currently on offer at Mars aren't the best of the best DAoT humanity can provide.

I'd like to imagine the old Federation and the age of the STC's did better, much better. Before we venture into the unknown realms of Necron Technology, let's try and achieve the pinnacle of what humanity was capable of.

"Between the time when the void drank Alpha-Centaurii, and the rise of the Sons of the Emperor, there was an age undreamed of. . ."

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 20 May 2022 12:47:17 No.5274745 Report

Quoted By: >>5274756

>>5274382
Seems to be something that messes with the atmosphere of the Gas Giant itself. Sorta like a perpetual balloon effect without the balloons.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 20 May 2022 12:57:14 No.5274756 Report

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>>5274382
Any particular uses you might find for it? Theoretically if Lucius doesn't already have the capability it could improve our sublight engine fuel stores and promethium stocks by giving us better Gas planet siphon station designs.

I was sorta hoping we would encounter Graia and it's crown, their numerous warp capable space stations might prove useful for our own large constructs. Lucius does lack a Ring, or we may recover and make Port Maw exist early.

Mars has its Ring of Iron, but surely the Federation deserves its own mass drive yard for large scale ship production. Ships win wars

>>5274745
Sounds a bit like the large aerial vessels Fulgrim encountered on Byzas.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ntozOKsv Fri 20 May 2022 14:16:59 No.5274805 Report

Quoted By: >>5275324

>>5274239
>>Accept the allotted men and get back to the ‘Pilgrimage’

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:6FhbGcRV Fri 20 May 2022 14:42:31 No.5274820 Report

Quoted By: >>5274901

>>5274708
I imagine when it comes to tech progression:
Imperial Guard Tech < Adeptus Mechanicus Tech < STC Technology < Dark Age Tech < Necron Technology
STC designs are better than what the Admech can cook up with on a good day, but they were designed to be hardy and universal for frontier colonists. But the good Dark Age stuff wasn't meant to be mass produced, they were designed with quality and high paying clientele in mind. A high performance sports car vs an SUV.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 20 May 2022 16:07:06 No.5274901 Report

Quoted By:

Hey QM, you tried the new Chaosgate game? It's pretty fun for a warhammer style XCOM.

Wonder if we can make our own team of Daemonhunter specialist squad

>>5274820
Sounds about right

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UeowAE+M Fri 20 May 2022 16:23:00 No.5274918 Report

Quoted By: >>5274921 >>5274926

Better to focus on combat, after all Lorgar too was only seeking truth and he get a lot of Chaos upgrades onlyT to be thrashed so thoroughly by Corax so that is not even funny. That's trully despicable balance in warhammer. So, because I don't wanna for TalOS to be thrashed easely by any of his brothers Lorgar excluded, I propose to get something combat orientired!

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 20 May 2022 16:27:28 No.5274921 Report

Quoted By: >>5274926

>>5274918
Of course, we just need the time.
And now we can get time!
Maybe on our next warp jump we can cook something up.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Fri 20 May 2022 16:34:21 No.5274926 Report

Quoted By: >>5274932 >>5274949 >>5274950

>>5274918
>>5274921
We are looking into the secrets the Machine dragon revealed to us, but you don't get anywhere constantly chewing on the same problem so it would make sense for TaL0S to take a breather by brawling with one or more of his sons.
Just to get his head empty and to refocus later.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Fri 20 May 2022 16:40:03 No.5274932 Report

Quoted By: >>5274949

>>5274926
Gotta be honest, this didn't sound as bad in my head ...

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:s0e0nK5s Fri 20 May 2022 17:10:32 No.5274949 Report

Quoted By: >>5274952

>>5274926
>>5274932
As many sons as possible!! One for each mechadendrite!! TalOS is so augmented he can take them all, no warming up needed

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 20 May 2022 17:11:46 No.5274950 Report

Quoted By: >>5275101

>>5274926
Does Talos consider a brawl a breather?
Not that he would dislike brawling, but more the fact that if you're going to do something, do it well. So if he's going to get good at brawling, then why not upgrade, and if he's going to upgrade, why not make it good upgrades. Which means focusing his mind on upgrades, hypnomats, etc to maximize the effect.

A breather would probably be more a hobby like. Music, entertainment, our apprentice, and so on. There's more to the gifts of the Machine God than war.

Or writing a book.
Anyone up for writing the Machina Divinitatus?

Anyway, if we want to get good at CQC we should really invest it thoroughly rather than as a side item. Ideally with another Primarch or a Strategieos for simulation practice as Primarch level threats are gonna be our main issue (I.e. big giant warbosses, gigantic mech constructs, huge xenos beasts, etc.)

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 20 May 2022 17:16:08 No.5274952 Report

Quoted By: >>5275254

>>5274949
That's a good start for multitask defense. Each son could represent the arm or the fist of a dangerous opponent.

Talos CQC fighting style should definitely, in addition to having layers upon layers of tech defenses, include multiple arms. Why be limited to only two? Our right arm has proven its worth as the match for our flesh arm, and now that we have Technomancy there is no concern that we are making an inferior product.

So why stop there and have a few more pairs of arms?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Fri 20 May 2022 19:17:34 No.5275101 Report

Quoted By: >>5275148 >>5275181

>>5274950
We could always go the batman route. Collect data on all our brothers than fight a simulation of them (both brawling and legion fights). After all what's better way of improving than being challenged and nothing challenges a primarch like another primarch.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Gyy3t+SZ Fri 20 May 2022 20:08:57 No.5275148 Report

Quoted By: >>5275184

>>5275101
After some go chaos, data on them will become useless. We got nuls for them of course, but it won't be enough. For example, sisters of silence + Roboute + custodes had made Magnus retreat but they took heavy casualties

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:s0e0nK5s Fri 20 May 2022 20:50:54 No.5275181 Report

Quoted By: >>5275197

>>5275101
>Collect data on all our brothers than fight a simulation of them
This is the Hanma Baki route tho

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Fri 20 May 2022 20:53:22 No.5275184 Report

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>>5275148
That's still hundreds of years of experience/ training. The point of it isn't to train to kill our brothers (after all why would we fight? We're family) it's about challenging ourselves and improvement.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Fri 20 May 2022 21:06:56 No.5275197 Report

Quoted By: >>5275207

>>5275181
Yeah but I hate baki too much boring bullshit pseudoscience explanations between the fights. Baki is a boring reactive protagonist and his relationship between wasn't interesting to me. What I hated the most was all the hanma clan wank.

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Anonymous ID:s0e0nK5s Fri 20 May 2022 21:16:55 No.5275207 Report

Quoted By: >>5275252

>>5275197
You are dead to my

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Anonymous ID:s0e0nK5s Fri 20 May 2022 21:18:24 No.5275209 Report

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The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 20 May 2022 22:15:50 No.5275252 Report

Quoted By:

>>5275207
From what I have seen, Baki is an excuse to see amazing art. I tried it, didn't get into it, but I understood why people seemed to slowly like it. Also I cannot make a comparison to Jojo's to Baki as blatant as I would want.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 20 May 2022 22:16:56 No.5275254 Report

Quoted By: >>5275268 >>5275271 >>5275668

>>5274952
I think this is something we need to figure out soon and I might even force the vote on. After all, you guys have been avoiding actually building body augmentations. Those augmentations go directly into a fighting style.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 20 May 2022 22:37:12 No.5275268 Report

Quoted By:

>>5275254
We haven't been avoiding them, per say it's always been paired at an innoportune time where we have to pick between it and something else.

Now that we do have technomancy though, maybe we will have time to do some self tinkering and even spare a few to help UZI get those eyes she wants.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 20 May 2022 22:38:14 No.5275270 Report

Quoted By:

There's also some technologies we want we don't have access to or visual inspiration however I think it's okay since we can always continue to upgrade.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Fri 20 May 2022 22:38:57 No.5275271 Report

Quoted By: >>5275283

>>5275254
the reason we have been mostly avoiding it is because.

1.) we holding out for nanomachine and/or Necrodermis

2.) we have other things we can research. when our end goal will make most if not all other augments obsolete.

3.) we our Genetors so value flesh more than other tech priest.

personally I will advocate for 50/50 flesh and metal instead of mostly metal or mostly flesh. admittedly we should have probably replaced our Kastelan arm, we can certainly do better than that for basically free.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 20 May 2022 22:49:16 No.5275283 Report

Quoted By: >>5275293 >>5275313

>>5275271
My fellow anon.
If we ever have need of our flesh, it is safely sound and secure, our flesh hand ready to come back.

We can also always grow a fresh limb, with our genetor experience, should we ever need it.

Now that we have Technomancy and thus are not reliant upon the Eye to delve into things even Admech science cannot comprehend we can assuredly create Bionic Limbs that are, beyond the shadow of a doubt, superior to Primarch Flesh. For we have confirmed that the product we make, the Acilllians, are the match for the Astartes.

As a space marines bionic is better than his own arm, so too would a Talos constructed bionic be better than his regular arm.

When we gain a liquid metal thing to merge with our flesh proper, we can upgrade to that and achieve true apotheosis. But for now, if we can be assured that a bionic Talos arm is better than a flesh Talos Arm, why should we not fully metallicize most of our body and thus give us even greater endurance, strength, and speed than our form has now?

We could for example, make ourselves Vulkan sized.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Fri 20 May 2022 23:06:41 No.5275291 Report

Quoted By: >>5275292 >>5275299 >>5275313

The Acilllians are weaker than the Astartes but not by much.
>a space marines bionic is better than his own arm
that's rarely the case more often then not the augment is weaker or just as strong as their arm. usually the ones that can be stronger are rare or expensive.

I would rather spend the time making ourselves better armour. it's less permanent and can increase our endurance, strength, speed, and durability. plus it's easier to heal flesh than repair augments.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 20 May 2022 23:08:18 No.5275292 Report

Quoted By: >>5275295 >>5275313

>>5275291
The Iron Hands novel specifically says that their bionics are better than their normal flesh, and the Iron Hands specifically augment their bodies until a number of them are basically just robots with a brain inside.

And nothing is permament, we can always switch back and forth.

Doubt not the abilities of Talos!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Fri 20 May 2022 23:08:53 No.5275293 Report

Quoted By:

>>5275283
although we probably should upgrade our Kastelan arm if we aren't gong to graft our old arm back on.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Fri 20 May 2022 23:13:36 No.5275295 Report

Quoted By: >>5275301 >>5275313

>>5275292
not according to wraith of iron they are. Even if they were the iron hands are a rare case due to their ties to Admec. the reason why Tech marines have stronger limbs is because they get the good shit.

Again better armour might be better especially because you can more easily downsize that for our sons. which leads back to point 2.) we have other things we can research.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 20 May 2022 23:17:41 No.5275299 Report

Quoted By:

>>5275291
I also disagree that its' easier to heal flesh than Augments.

Flesh bleeds, limbs do not.

I feel like both of us are just gonna be at an impasse arguing in circles of conjecture until Talos/QM can confirm through some objective test or example whether or not a Talos Made bionic can match or exceed his natural physiology. I am very much of the belief that it can. Even if it cannot, and pound for pound primarch flesh is stronger than even a Techpriest Primarch with Necron-Technomancy can design (which I still still insist otherwise) tech has still one key advantage.

We can make a bigger arm than our normal arm.

I suppose theoretically we could also use Talos Genetor skills to try and grow and graft a bigger flesh body onto himself. I do not know whether that would work as it would require upscaling the skeletal frame and bones and organs too. Where as simply putting the organs into a Talos shaped larger body is more tried and tested.

And there are still limts to the human physiology no matter what. Consider your hands, how far backwarsd can you bend them? Can you turn your head in a 360 degree manner. Could you bend your elbows the other way? Are there not limits to your flexibility and agility that could be superceded otherwise?

In any case, I will also posit this simple thought why I think steel and armor ultimately has to suprass primarch flesh:
If Primarch Flesh were so much better, they wouldn't be too worried about wearing armor in the first place. They wouldn't need to try and use swords and axes and weapons to pierce through their brothers armor if their flesh were stronger, they would just be like superman or omniman reach forward and grasp and tear the other primarchs armor off with their bare hands, just as a space marine might tear through a guardsman's flak vest with his. But they don't because steel is stronger, and the flesh is weak.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 20 May 2022 23:19:48 No.5275301 Report

Quoted By: >>5275304 >>5275308

>>5275295
>Even if they were the iron hands are a rare case due to their ties to Admec.
And guess who we are?
>the reason why Tech marines have stronger limbs is because they get the good shit.
Which is precisely what Talos would give himself, the best of shit.

In the end all you keep saying is doubt that tech could be better than flesh. But I keep asking you "what if it could be" or "let's suppose it is" and you won't answer the question directly.

Here, I'll say "If Talos Flesh were confirmed to be superior to anything he could technologically come up with, I would advocate growing stronger better muscles."

But I would very much appreciate it if you could at least answer the question directly rather than just keep saying "There's no way tech could be better" but I am not sure you will.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 20 May 2022 23:24:12 No.5275304 Report

Quoted By: >>5275311 >>5275312 >>5275318 >>5275329 >>5275374 >>5275988 >>5277090

>>5275301
Honestly I am just confused why there is such a majority against augmentation. This is a Mechanicus Primarch Quest so you might as well play the role. Have you guys ever considered that because a Primarch has so much brain power, that they can operate insanely powerful tech that Admech normally would not use in augmentation?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Fri 20 May 2022 23:25:34 No.5275308 Report

Quoted By: >>5275318 >>5275335

>>5275301
I'm not saying that can't be better than flesh.
what I said was that's rarely the case
>Rarely
>Flesh bleeds, limbs do not.
they also can stop bleeding. if an arm breaks (A wolverine/black dragon style covered metal skeleton would be pretty cool we should do that later) it can heal itself, you need to repair damaged equipment.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Fri 20 May 2022 23:28:12 No.5275311 Report

Quoted By: >>5275335

>>5275304
I'm not against Augments. I'm against converting to 90% metal. Plus I find the combining of flesh and metal and flesh more interesting than just replacing the flesh.

TL;DR
>Cyborg over android.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 20 May 2022 23:28:42 No.5275312 Report

Quoted By: >>5275318 >>5275326 >>5275568 >>5275670 >>5275988

>>5275304
I just feel no one actively considers what you can put on yourselves. Like the Electro Priests and shoot lighting out of your hands.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:8mKgPoHX Fri 20 May 2022 23:30:13 No.5275313 Report

Quoted By: >>5275320

>>5275283
Come to think of it anons with our technomancy doesn't that mean we can create next generation Acillian MK2s. When we made Acillians we did it solely with Admech tech and whatever else we could scrounge. Not even using the goodies the big E had hidden away on Terra and Mars. Not only can we likely tap into those goodies there but we ALSO have technomancy. We could very well create next generation Acillians. The tricky part is ensuring they can keep being produced without the need for Technomancy.

>>5275291
Acillians are mainly weaker in strength and CQC according to our own tests. Standard flesh Astartes are cheaper to make according to Admech tests. Acillians apparently are fucking expensive. Unlike Astartes though Acillians cover their own upkeep and support services. As in they have 0 need for outside support and are entirely capable of making whatever they need and creating new Acillians for themselves.

>>5275292
>>5275295
Acillians are already cyborgs. Astarte's genes basically being used to increase the strain and load they can sustain in terms of cybernetics. Acillian gear is already all masterworked and artificer tier because they make that shit for themselves and tinker with it endlessly.

Truthfully we have no idea what kind of breakthroughs our Sons have made after granting them permission to experiment and publish their finds on the Noosphere. For all, we know they could already have devised new and improved weapon schematics and armors. Tal0S has been too busy waging war and experimenting with highly dangerous/advanced technology to get a look at what they have been up to with their own projects. We already know they maintain their own industries and logistics. As well as making, experimenting, and tinkering with their own equipment. Tal0S asked them to see if could devise some new standardized schematics with what they were working on in order to share it with others and distribute it for mass manufacturing.

Naturally this includes power armor and weaponry that Acillians obsessively experiment and tinker with since they use it so much. So us considering taking another look at manufacturing new power armors...we may just be better off taking a skim through the database the Acillians have concocted and built up. To go over their own designs and offer our input. I honestly have no idea why we haven't bothered to do that once yet this entire time. I mean the ENTIRE Acillians is just one giant think tank and production base that we have been ignoring for some reason. Keep in mind that would include Astarte's tier cybernetics. Which Acillians are the biggest consumers and tinkers of. There is no way they haven't been upgrading and tinkering with their own bionics.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:6TkdaQMM Fri 20 May 2022 23:34:36 No.5275318 Report

Quoted By: >>5275335

>>5275304
I'm pro augmentation. I think the big concern early on was whether or not Talos could build something to surpass his own Emperor made physiology. But things have changed since then. What is needed is facts from you or at least examples in the story whether one thing would be superior to another.
Maybe Talos could do some tests. Test the limits of how much he can lift, and then see if he can build a robot arm stronger. How fast he can run, and see if the robot legs he builds is faster.
Or you can just put the argument to rest and say Talos could build something better than what he was born with. The question has been asked before.
>>5275308
There are examples of self healing mechanisms in the lore. Arkhan Land has a staff that can send repair energy to mend steel.
>>5275312
There's been many posts to dreaming of Talos upgrades. Just maybe give Talos a dedicated upgrade event instead of having to pick between different things.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Fri 20 May 2022 23:35:32 No.5275320 Report

Quoted By: >>5275327 >>5275329

>>5275313
I thought the Acillians were cheaper to produce because we don't have to put other organs in there. it's why when we made them they were Middle augmentation than heavy (astartes) that's why our boys have higher chances of becoming a Acillian.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 20 May 2022 23:37:06 No.5275324 Report

Quoted By: >>5275332

Making Contracts
>>5274245
>>5274259
>>5274250
>>5274252
>>5274274
>>5274284
>>5274330
>>5274471
>>5274249
>>5274261

Accept the Gift
>>5274256
>>5274656
>>5274805

The FAG shall be delivered.

Also note for the quest. As you guys have already rammed us to 1,100 Posts I will need to make a new thread here soon. I think now is a time to do a time skip where TalOS can start going around the Segmentum without our overview. Obviously TalOS wants to make friends with everyone and open contracts, helping a few of the colonies with their admech problems bringing other worlds into the Federation.

I think we will have some minor blurts here and there about what TalOS does during his free-time (Researching Technomancy is a given, but he will probably do things to augment that). After those we will either have TalOS visit Mars proper or head straight to Lucius for the War to fire off.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 20 May 2022 23:38:05 No.5275326 Report

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>>5275312
I do QM.
I just haven't had the opportunity to vote for it yet since we haven't had an action for upgrades.

Also we can do better than just shooting lightning from our hands.

Jokaero are able to shrink down fully functional laser rifles into ring sized digital weapons that are every bit as powerful. Now that Talos is able to use Technomancy, does he have the same smarts to digitize weapons?

Instead of just lightning, what if he could shrink down a Tesla Cannon to fit onto his large finger tip? Mimic the Omnissiah's hand.

Could he currently do that or is it "beyond his understanding" to do so right now?

Shooting lightnign from your fingers is pretty much what cryptek technomancy is for too.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 20 May 2022 23:39:11 No.5275327 Report

Quoted By: >>5275329 >>5275345

>>5275320
I don't think I made a verdict on how cheap/expensive Acillians are. I think the only expesive thing they have in their systems is the Autosanguine as thats sudo-dark age tech. When we get to our Acillians Mk. 2 we can figure that out more.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:8mKgPoHX Fri 20 May 2022 23:41:34 No.5275329 Report

Quoted By: >>5275331 >>5275350 >>5275382

>>5275304
Personally, for me it's two things 1 we have no nanites and thus cannot engage autorepair functions. So injuries and repairs are very problematic without that(especially when we are in the middle of a warzone and are getting our shit kicked in considering how special are body is emergency field repairs are gonna be a bitch). 2 we have yet to find anything particularly awesome tech wise to assimilate into our physique. We could always go fullblown cyberhorror due to sheer size and brain capacity but to me, that feels more like a copout and a special body we should create explicitly for when shit hits the fan.
Like fuck we already moved our brain why should we limit ourselves to just ONE body? Giving fucking Alpharius a run for his money when we literally jump(teleport) between bodies. Personally I want moar bodies that we customize and fine tune. While attaching our brain to the heaviest security possible with a built in teleporter and teleportation beacons attached to each body so we can transfer between them whenever we want. Troll the fuck out of everyone and show up whenever in different bodies.

>>5275320
Bio astartes are cheaper. Acillians are expensive because Admech shove lots of expensive shit into them converting them all into cyborgs. I imagine over time many of them will end up as nothing more than brain in jar. As for rejection rates vs Astartes I'm not too sure how much the process has been perfected.

>>5275327
You did. Astartes were cheaper because bio was cheaper to grow vs the manufacturing requirements of Acillians. Acillians are more expensive due to the extensive augmentation they undergo unlike standard Astartes.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 20 May 2022 23:42:48 No.5275331 Report

Quoted By: >>5275334 >>5275342 >>5275674

>>5275329
Yeah, that Auto-Sanguine is expensive as fuck. But hey your Acillians literally won't die unless a lethal shot hits them.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Fri 20 May 2022 23:43:08 No.5275332 Report

Quoted By: >>5275342

>>5275324
I would prefer Mars then war. the only reason i can think of TaL0S going back to Lucius first is if the Mitu go on the offensive. anything else would be an unnecessary slap in their face.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 20 May 2022 23:43:49 No.5275334 Report

Quoted By: >>5275674

>>5275331
I should correct that. They can FIGHT until a lethal shot hits them.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 20 May 2022 23:45:32 No.5275335 Report

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>>5275308
Then lets work on turning "Rarely" into "Often" or "Absolutely" anon.

>>5275318
The Autocaduceus of Arkhan Land.
We could use the technology from it to allow our metal to heal in the exact same manner, or even faster, than flesh. Make our metal bones be able to self repair at the molecular level the same way cells do.

I will argue hard against anyone who says that whatever flesh can do, Talos can mimic. Not only mimic but exceed.

Healing factor? Yes.
Growth? Absolutely.

Tell me a thing flesh can do, OTHER than sensory stuff like feeling pain, and I will say that Talos can do it.

>>5275311
Ultimately for aesthetic purposes, I do agree, I would prefer to combine synth-flesh but I do not know if QM will permit that now. I'm just saying that for now, while we are limited to pure flesh or pure metal, I think going pure metal while we wait to get synth-flesh is better.

If I am wrong and we will have access to Synth-Flesh now, then oh hell yes fuck pure bionics lets go that.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 20 May 2022 23:48:04 No.5275342 Report

Quoted By: >>5275348

>>5275332
Winning the reconquista first, giving Lucius ample resources, plus extra forge worlds and gaining even more reputation among the existing forges that we are truly the one capable of defending and protecting the Admech and recovering lost technology gives us the most amount of political influence when we arrive on Mars. Rather than showing up to make promises of reclamation and unification in the Galaxy, we have shown by example that we are reclaiming and uniting the lost forge worlds of the galaxy.

>>5275331
And the Auto-Sanguine is better for both flesh and bones at healing isn't it?

Normal blood cells cannot deposite iron into damaged internal prosthetics, but the Auto-Sanguine surely can.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Fri 20 May 2022 23:49:52 No.5275345 Report

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>>5275327
you kind of sorta did in a round about way. from the first thread.
>>How much do you think you can try to do? It will reflect how hard they are to make, and their stability.
>Light augmentations (Make them similar to Space Marine Scouts)
>Medium augmentations (Very close to a Space Marine)
>Heavily Augmented (We are talking attempting to build them up as close as possible, Cawl Style)
than after we talked about the loadout.
>Also, I am going to rate this as a Medium Augmentation since for every piece of flesh you replaced with an augmetic, thats one less organ that the body needs to adapt to.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 20 May 2022 23:50:46 No.5275348 Report

Quoted By: >>5275354

>>5275342
It probably can in the hands of a Primarch. Its essentially an oil filled with nanobots that repairs flesh.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 20 May 2022 23:51:43 No.5275350 Report

Quoted By: >>5275382

>>5275329
>1 we have no nanites and thus cannot engage autorepair functions
Thus, that can be the first thing on our list. Using Technomancy to give metal the ability of self repair. If we can't use nanites, we can try to use something else. Allow Talos mind to work on that task.
> 2 we have yet to find anything particularly awesome tech wise to assimilate into our physique
This is admittedly my biggest frustration too

I just want to make a big huge list of different techs or even simple descriptions and see what Talos can come up with currently using his available resources, and what he cannot. A lot of that stuff is human tech too.

There's just so many unknowns that would be awesome to have answers to if somehow QM were able to give us some information.

>Like fuck we already moved our brain why should we limit ourselves to just ONE body?
Absolutely fucking THIS. I have been pushing this hard for ages. Using a surrogate body is also so much safer.

This is what Trazyn does!

He even has the range to do it over galactic distances I think. If we can do that, imagine how much safer we would be?

Maybe we don't need the Pharos to achieve FTL information travel. I can't say. We'll just have to find out.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 20 May 2022 23:53:35 No.5275354 Report

Quoted By:

>>5275348
HAH
THERE
WE CAN MAKE METAL THAT HEALS ITSELF

Sorry, just . . .super frustrated at the notion that there are things flesh can do that Talos cannot do or mimic. "They can't heal" "They're harder to repair"

Fuck you we can make them heal, we can make them easy to repair. If not for everyone, then at least ourself. But I would like to allow Talos to give it a run for his money to make self healing metal for his boys at least. One day.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Sat 21 May 2022 00:09:12 No.5275374 Report

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>>5275304
Give me my nanomachines and you will get augmentations QM, simple as.
Hell, I will push for so many of them that we will be just Necrons 2, even build a bunch of war chassis like the Destroyer cults.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iyOvAGjS Sat 21 May 2022 00:14:15 No.5275382 Report

Quoted By:

>>5275329
>>5275350
I'm in favor of the fallout brain plan

Maybe having different bodies we can "wear" for different situations will settle most of these debates over which is better.

Talos never settles for just one thing when he can have more.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Sat 21 May 2022 00:16:10 No.5275384 Report

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I'm against fallout brain.
by the way can we try and use our Chronomancy powers to slowdown time in a room so we can do more research within our limited time.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sat 21 May 2022 00:17:30 No.5275385 Report

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>>5275384
You can't, and not for a long while. TalOS only knows the existence of these powers and has to develop a method to channel them. Hell, right now he still needs to figure out how to feel for them.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sat 21 May 2022 00:32:55 No.5275407 Report

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TalOS could not help but give a small chuckle as he heard the declaration from the Fabricator General, +I will be sure to do so. I am thankful for the support that you have given me Fabricator General. I must ask though why our relationship would stop there?+

+And that would be?+ The Tech Priest asked with a hint of interest in his mechanical voice.

+With the Galaxy opening up we cannot settle ourselves for just supplying the realms of Mars and the Legions of the Imperium. We should see about supporting one another.+

+What kinds?+

+Simple things. Knowledge, Technology, and the industry we each share.+ TalOS declared as he got the file he was looking for, +The first to begin trading will be the ones to dominate. If we can open trade routes between both ourselves and all other Forge Worlds we would be able to dominate them.+

+That sounds possible. Are we to employ the principles of competitive advantage?+

+I think that will be mighty fine. A network of optimized forges so that we are not all making the same things at varying qualities. Lucian Guns and Columnus Ships going through space on the backs of Martian Skitarii. I think we can do it.+

+As long as the benefits outweigh the costs than my Forge World can join your enterprise.+ The Fabricator General announced, +Though what of knowledge?+

+Indeed, I think the trade of ideas is something that we can employ.+ TalOS declared after sending the Fabricator General a document, +This is my F.A.G. which contains the current standard to optimize workflow on Lucius. I think you will find it handy.+

The Fabricator General was silent for a moment as he read up the details. The sounds of Cogitators rushing with information was like music to the ears of TalOS. Since it would take the Priest a moment TalOS looked out into the barely salient sky.

+I understand. This is magnificent.+ Declared the Tech Priest, +I shall endeavor to employ these methods and ideas.+

+Good, and I hope Lucius can rely on your for both our war and rearmament.+ TalOS declared as he knew the Forges of Columnus were soon going to go into overdrive.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sat 21 May 2022 00:33:56 No.5275409 Report

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The sounds of TalOS feet once again reverberated on the cruise as he walked off the shuttle. Once again in the presence of the Noosphere TalOS was getting a series of commands and protocols about the five cruisers that the Fabricator General devoted to TalOS’s fleet.

+TalOS!+ the Primarch looked to see his apprentice waving at him, +Its good to see you standing again. I had seen the recordings about what happened and I wanted to see you about them. Then you went right down to the planet.+

+Sorry, I was busy.+ TalOS said before making a wave with his hand, +Shall we walk and talk?+

+Sure~+ The girl gave a cute smile before falling in line with TalOS and his guards.

The sounds of the Servitors and Priests all preparing to get the cruiser prepared for flight came through the halls as the two walked their way about. With this visit they would once again be hitting the stars and making their way about to the numerous Forge Worlds that were within Segmentum Solar. It would be a good amount of time but TalOS knew it was all going towards a good cause.

+So…+ UZ1 looked away for a moment before rubbing next to TalOS, +What happened?+

+A Revelation.+ The Primarch declared as he gave her a charming smile, +The Machine God spoke to me and gave me insights I never knew. I saw the Motive Force itself.+

+The Motive Force, that's amazing.+ The girl admitted while giving the sign of the cog, +To think that one of us would be so blessed. Have you been able to develop any theories?+

+Action is what the Motive Force is. It affects everything through the universe and is the antithesis of the Warp. I think it is the opposite of the Warp, or maybe what the Warp itself is based on.+

+Maybe…+ The Apprentice admitted while thinking to herself, +So what do we need to do first?+

TalOS took a moment to think to himself about that very thing, +We need to develop some form of sensory. Psykers sense the Warp and thus can touch the Warp. We need to be able to observe the Motive Force in some fashion so that we can properly experiment with it.+

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+So we need to feel it…+ The Apprentice admitted as she thought to herself, +If its things that affect reality that we should look into methods to change reality. Things we know that can affect the Motive Force itself.+

TalOS gave a nod to that thought, +I have already done some research into the Cults of the Electro-Priests. They have a plethora of knowledge that I had not tapped in my short life, but I feel it would be useful.+

+You know…+ UZ1 sent TalOS a small piece of data, +I was sweeping through the data given to use by Xana and noticed this.+

+A Suspension Field?+ TalOS asked as he turned towards UZ1, +I saw something similar when the Martians gave us access to their Tech Vaults.+

+As I understand it the device uses electricity and other energies to suspend the target in a field of timelessness. It would surely involve the Motive Force.+

+It could. It definitely could.+ TalOS admitted as he examined the systems more and more. As TalOS looked upon it he thought to himself, +But what about the Machines themselves?+

The girl next to TalOS tilted her head for a moment, +Man Machine Interfaces?+

+Yes… like the Manifold.+ TalOS announced as he felt out the currently sleeping connection with Particep Semper, +Even now I can feel him, so its not based on the Warp. Is our connection maintained through the Motive Force instead?+

UZ1’s eyes widened for a moment as she heard it, +That’s correct! The imprinting of Technology upon a person’s psyche!+

TalOS nodded, +I think each of these will get me closer to my goal. I am sure though that each of them will take time to realize for sure.+

+You won’t need to do all of them.+ UZ1 pointed out, +We simply need to feel out some way of connecting with the Motive Force. How we do so does not matter.+

>Use the try and true method of the Elector-Priests.
>Time shenanigans, while hopefully no one gets stuck in a time suspension field.
>The connection with the God Machine.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sat 21 May 2022 00:37:44 No.5275418 Report

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>>5275412
I should mention you guys can also come up with your own hair brain schemes. Your objective is to feel the Motive Force, how you get there is up to you. I think the only way to not properly do so is with a lot of shrooms since thats how you access the Warp.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Sat 21 May 2022 00:44:54 No.5275429 Report

Quoted By: >>5276957

>>5275412
>Time shenanigans, while hopefully no one gets stuck in a time suspension field.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sat 21 May 2022 00:55:05 No.5275445 Report

Quoted By: >>5275476 >>5275498 >>5275945 >>5276154 >>5276957

>>5275412
>Time shenanigans, while hopefully no one gets stuck in a time suspension field.
If I were to make any suggestion, the Hrud are known in the Galaxy as a xenos species who seem to accelerate time itself, causing entropy. Furthermore, we know that one of Vulkan's spears was able to cause accelerated entropy.

I propose we find a safe place, far away from anyone else, and attempt to reverse the polarity of a Stasis Field, possibly drawing inspiration from the Hrud if needed, so that time flows faster on the inside. A primarch has no concern for age, as seen with Perturabo facing the Hrud he didn't even gain a wrinkle, and even his equippment just got dusty not rusty and worked perfectly though millenia pass.

With an inverse-stasis field (acceleration field?) we can go inside and meditate and contemplate on the Motive Force.

As Magnus studied in magic circles to become in tune with the warp, where time flows differently so that while merely seconds pass in the real world while months years or decades are experienced in the warp, learning so much in the fraction of a heartbeat, so too can Talos. Using science. And Time.

He can try to medidate and then work on feeling the very lifethrob of the materium.

Might not be enough to make a room to move in, but at least enough for his mind at least.

This is also how Orikan does it too, he meditates and feels the motive force as the sum toll of all physical interactions in the Galaxy.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:x+hl93ja Sat 21 May 2022 00:58:02 No.5275448 Report

Quoted By: >>5276957

>>5275412
>Time shenanigans, while hopefully no one gets stuck in a time suspension field.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sat 21 May 2022 00:58:15 No.5275450 Report

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Also if we ever do get multiple arms, then meditating within our accelerated time box would be very aesthetic.

Magnus if he ever sees us like this might even be impressed or empathetic. Where he delves through the deeper regions of the warp, we delve into the deepest regions of reality. In the whirl of stars, the pull of planets, the life and death of suns, we will feel the very force of our god.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:A9EQR7B7 Sat 21 May 2022 01:07:50 No.5275472 Report

Quoted By: >>5276957

>>5275412
Every single neuron and wire in our body sparks with the motive force as does everything else. The understanding of ones own actions will lead them to do even greater actions.
>Connect with TalOS DAV1S

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:6TkdaQMM Sat 21 May 2022 01:09:33 No.5275476 Report

Quoted By: >>5276957

>>5275412
>Time shenanigans, while hopefully no one gets stuck in a time suspension field.
>>5275445
If we can learn to safely use it, that would be extremely useful. We could grow null crystals in them faster.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Sat 21 May 2022 01:25:32 No.5275498 Report

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>>5275445
have the imperials met the hurd yet. the were first discover early into the crusade. they were being cleansed by the emperor then later the Iron Warriors on Gugann post discovery of Pert.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9p/p+gHP Sat 21 May 2022 01:41:27 No.5275525 Report

Quoted By: >>5276957

>>5275412
>Use the try and true method of the Elector-Priests.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Sat 21 May 2022 01:49:09 No.5275529 Report

Quoted By: >>5276957

>>5275412
>Use the try and true method of the Elector-Priests.
Lucius got a unique branch of them, so might aswell use ut.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:t71Ql1yd Sat 21 May 2022 02:46:57 No.5275568 Report

Quoted By: >>5275915 >>5275938

>>5275312
There's so much to talk about and consider in this setting, your right though. I think there may have been some hesitation were a primarch obviously, were already pretty friggin advanced as a living thing in general. I think we would get more done givin the chance, though admittedly I'm most interested in making just extremely advanced mechandrites. More in the realm of a tentacle mass than jointed arms, and maybe even writing a VI or programing it on how to act if we're incapacitated, like defending us and fleeing.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dNtaiWnp Sat 21 May 2022 04:16:19 No.5275645 Report

Quoted By: >>5276957

>>5275412
>>The connection with the God Machine.
Gotta have the perspective of a God when dealing with the motive force.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fR+yno8R Sat 21 May 2022 04:41:26 No.5275667 Report

Quoted By: >>5276957

>>5275412
>Time shenanigans, while hopefully no one gets stuck in a time suspension field.
Controlling time is awesome and I don't see it enough so going with this.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:s0e0nK5s Sat 21 May 2022 04:42:38 No.5275668 Report

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>>5275254
>Those augmentations go directly into a fighting style.
The panzer kunst?????????? It's a Martian martial style after all!!!! MARTIAN

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:s0e0nK5s Sat 21 May 2022 04:44:44 No.5275670 Report

Quoted By:

>>5275312
But Ilike my eyes inside of my eyesockets and not liquified!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:s0e0nK5s Sat 21 May 2022 04:48:27 No.5275674 Report

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>>5275334
>>5275331
Yeah xd it really sounded like "They live untill they are killed"

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:s0e0nK5s Sat 21 May 2022 06:09:53 No.5275766 Report

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>>5275412
>>The connection with the God Machine.
I am certain I have the right manga screenshots somwhere

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:gYwVWvjP Sat 21 May 2022 07:10:57 No.5275859 Report

Quoted By: >>5276957

>>5275412
>Use the try and true method of the Elector-Priests.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:8QoOjCLO Sat 21 May 2022 07:54:52 No.5275880 Report

Quoted By: >>5276957

>>5275412
>>Use the try and true method of the Elector-Priests
Tradition!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:IApM5K2D Sat 21 May 2022 08:27:54 No.5275911 Report

Quoted By: >>5276957

>>5275412
>Use the tried and true method of the Electro-Priests
I like the idea of expanding our knowledge in regards to Cult Mechanicus traditions

Just finished catching up on this quest, love the Mechanicus

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:IApM5K2D Sat 21 May 2022 08:32:05 No.5275915 Report

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>>5275568
I like this idea, the VI could be based on TalOS' own mind maybe also have sub-Cogitators?

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Anonymous ID:ZwyROSk6 Sat 21 May 2022 09:05:32 No.5275924 Report

Quoted By: >>5276073 >>5276154 >>5276957

>>5275412
>Time shenanigans, while hopefully no one gets stuck in a time suspension field.
"A true miracle of an anomaly: an area several meters in diameter where the time flow is significantly slower than usual. Appears to have no negative effect on human health. However, the Time Machine anomaly can be very difficult to get out of." Magos S4KH4R0V

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dlIWFprB Sat 21 May 2022 09:39:44 No.5275935 Report

Quoted By: >>5276957

>>5275412
>the connection to the God Machine

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sat 21 May 2022 09:48:41 No.5275938 Report

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>>5275568
The main reason I am in favor of both large jointed arms + mechadendrites it seems to me more likely we are making our arms bigger and stronger than our mechadendrites. So for the purposes of punching, pushing, lifting and rending our arms are the "big guns" so to speak. Or comparing a hydraulic arm to a mechadendrite. On the tabletop Servo-Arm has strength X2, while Mechadendrite has strength +1 which leads me to believe arms scale up stronger.

Now, if you were to tell me that Talos could make it so that every one of his mechadendrites is the equal or the superior to his arm I would believe you and go for better mechaendrites. But then I would also ask why bother to keep our two arms in the first place if we can make a longer stronger mechadendrite.

Surely not just for aesthetic, because if that were the case we could wear them for diplomatic reasons but take them off and attach mechandrites going into battle and put them back on after a fight.

Arms for parrying and grasping and grappling with our brothers immense strength, mechanedrites to stab, jab, and shoot with blades and guns.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:8mKgPoHX Sat 21 May 2022 09:57:23 No.5275943 Report

Quoted By: >>5275945 >>5276957

>>5275412
>Use the try and true method of the Elector-Priests.
Anons keep in mind only Tal0S can survive Time shenanigans since he is biologically immortal. At the same time he is also the only one who has been given access to special knowledge and connections to the machine god who is also a tech priest. Only The Elector priests way can ALSO be utilized by others and not just Tal0S alone. It is the option that can be shared with others.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:6FhbGcRV Sat 21 May 2022 10:03:00 No.5275945 Report

Quoted By: >>5276957

>>5275412
>>Time shenanigans, while hopefully no one gets stuck in a time suspension field.
>>5275445
I like this idea though I don't believe it would need a completely different vote since its basically time shenanigans but its something Talos should do. Meditation and contemplation is cool
>>5275943
"objective is to feel the Motive Force, how you get there is up to you", it's about Talos achieving perfect self enlightenment right now. There are things we will do that will be beyond mortals or even acillians, just like Magnus was so much beyond even his best astartes psykers.
We can work on perfecting the electrical arts for mortals later

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:6FhbGcRV Sat 21 May 2022 11:15:54 No.5275988 Report

Quoted By: >>5275989 >>5275996

>>5275312
>>5275304
If feel the hesitation with augmentation is we know the Primarchs are a good product because we at least have the lore and canon on how awesome they were over regular mechanical augmentation.
When it comes to augmentation, we really don't. Players don't like the idea that they are signing up for a change that is worse than what Talos already has. There's a lot of unknowns and we are completely reliant on you for information. Information that isn't very forthcoming even if Talos should be able to know what he is capable of.
Maybe that could change if we had a way to get answers, otherwise its easy to presume that augmentation just isn't worth it.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Sat 21 May 2022 11:18:19 No.5275989 Report

Quoted By: >>5276010

>>5275988
Anon has a point here, its pretty much the reason why i voted against it thus far.
Plus, as a genetor TaL0S would especially appreciate how incredibly well designed his body is, so changing it would be closer to defacing a painting to him.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UVXQSzUT Sat 21 May 2022 11:25:13 No.5275991 Report

Quoted By: >>5276957

>>5275412
>Time shenanigans, while hopefully no one gets stuck in a time suspension field.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UVXQSzUT Sat 21 May 2022 11:35:04 No.5275996 Report

Quoted By: >>5276002

>>5275988
The thing is Primarchs generally didn't augment themselves out of a sense of self and pride rather than the technology being behind their bodies. Best example would be the difference between chaos and non-chaos Horus, where as soon as he turned to chaos and practically took precedent due to the sheer task of taking on the emperor, he started getting augmentations.

Perturabo, ever the pragmatist, took multiple augmentations specifically to his cognitive ability to be able to micromanage his entire legion. For a Primarch as obsessed with perfection as he was it's pretty telling for him to choose augments over flesh.

Of course on the other hand, another Primarch obsessed with perfection, Fulgrim, never really had any mechanical augmentations. But in this case I'd say it was because he was Fulgrim that this happened, not to mention that he did genetically upgrade his soldiers (not sure if he let Fabius work on him)

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iyOvAGjS Sat 21 May 2022 11:40:33 No.5276002 Report

Quoted By: >>5276014

>"I dont understand why no one wants augmentations"
>"Are they better than what we have now?"
>*crickets*
Lol

Maybe QM doesnt have time to answer questions, but it could still be easily solved by a simple statement like "If you pick augmentations Talos will make them better". Because I dont think Talos would willingly choose to graft on something that's worse.

>>5275996
Talos would take pride in his augmentations. He would also probably be insulted by the notion if someone were to tell him he couldnt make a better body and would try to prove them wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UVXQSzUT Sat 21 May 2022 11:48:04 No.5276010 Report

Quoted By: >>5276017

>>5275989
I wholeheartedly disagree with your point, the point of being a genetor is to jump the threshold of whatever body is given to you. Even if it's already an augmented one.

Also, one of the many aspects of humanity that the Mechanicus as an organisation represents is ambition. A magos worth his weight seeing an artwork of a volkite blaster wouldn't say "this is perfect no need for improvements bye bye" he would get his mechadendrites deep and oily into into to upgrade it or make it stronger.

The only ones who don't do this and are completely opposed are HARD puritans which TalOS has demonstrated he isn't already (no hard puritan would ever go against the word of mars to give a recent example).

If we aren't getting more steel on our body, we should at least try to modify our Primarch body and go through the path of the clonelord. If you're insisting on a Genetor path, that's what should lie a head of us.

Of course, I'd much rather embrace the gift of metal. But I suppose votes will decide that, still to not innovate for a reason such as "Primarch body good enough and would be insulting to touch" is rather stupid. We grew up in a transhumanist machine worshipping cult, we can't hold our flesh, no matter how above it is to regular baseline humans, to this high regard.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UVXQSzUT Sat 21 May 2022 11:51:14 No.5276014 Report

Quoted By:

>>5276002
I agree, our path forward lies with steel

And maybe necrodermis in the future

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iyOvAGjS Sat 21 May 2022 11:55:10 No.5276017 Report

Quoted By:

>>5276010
Agreed. I want to see Talos upgraded more too.
But I do want to alleviate the concerns of those players who say we are getting something worse or that we cannot make something better. That's only fair.
Somehow someway we need to put that question to rest.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:da10Qwv+ Sat 21 May 2022 12:48:01 No.5276048 Report

Quoted By: >>5276055

I like the idea that even if we can't beat out our Primarch flesh for the same size, we could just get a bigger body. There were things stronger than primarchs just by being bigger than them. Ork Warbosses, or the Gardinaal mech lord that fought Ferrus Manus on even terms.

I wasn't there for the original vote on augmentation but if we had another chance I'd be in support of it.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sat 21 May 2022 12:54:04 No.5276055 Report

Quoted By: >>5276064 >>5276074 >>5276154 >>5276372

>>5276048
Thats the main issue here I'm confused by. You guys WILL get stronger atleast on the base level. Like going one to one you can increase your toughness using Kastellan Robot bits. Those afraid you won't be able to repair have you know Tech Priests commonly do in field repairs.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iyOvAGjS Sat 21 May 2022 13:07:29 No.5276064 Report

Quoted By:

>>5276055
>we will be stronger
>we will be tougher
>this can be achieved one to one
>self healing wont be an issue
Finally some straightforward answers.

That's literally all we needed QM. Now nobody can cast doubt that augments wouldnt be better.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JayGLTNx Sat 21 May 2022 13:17:59 No.5276073 Report

Quoted By: >>5276957

>>5275924
>+Support+
I want magos S4KH4R0V to be canon lol

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sat 21 May 2022 13:18:24 No.5276074 Report

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>>5276055
HE HAS SPOKEN
THE FLESH IS WEAK

Finally some confirmation!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:da10Qwv+ Sat 21 May 2022 14:23:59 No.5276154 Report

Quoted By: >>5276957

>>5276055
That is great news QM. I'd like to see Talos upgrade himself with his new technomancy
>>5275445
>+1 support
If dark age mankind could develop moment-shackle to make time move faster for the user, I don't see why Talos cannot do the same
>>5275924
>+1 support
This is funny and will give it +1 as well

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sat 21 May 2022 15:06:19 No.5276211 Report

Quoted By: >>5276245 >>5276251 >>5276261

Something that could be cool, so Orikan and other Chronomancers have a lair that helps them to harness the powers of time. Gigantic orreys and celestial representations of the cosmos to aid in harnessing the flow of time itself.

Talos could build some sort of giant clock tower structure in the Blackstone Fortress, to help harness the power of time. Some of the dark age technology of old looks archaic but is extremely advanced, like the "Sacrifactum Autorepulsor" which is described as "an arrangement of pipes, gauges and cogged mechanisms built around a microscopic particle of blessed dark matter". I think such a mechanical aesthetic full of cogs and gears would be very pleasing to a techpriest and even a tribute to the Deus Machina.

Magnus has his Pyramid on Tizca, and Crypteks have theirs. We've got pyramids and plenty of space in the Blackstone Fortress, why not have our own science lair to match?

An upgrade from the old workshop, and maybe even one day when we get very good we can make research move faster inside it. We could even invite C4R and ELLI3 there if they want, unless they prefer living on Lucius.

https://youtu.be/2Cj6Vgt-U94

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:6FhbGcRV Sat 21 May 2022 15:21:30 No.5276245 Report

Quoted By: >>5276261

>>5276211
We could have unlimited space inside the fortress if we figured out how to use Necron tesseract technology.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Sat 21 May 2022 15:32:47 No.5276251 Report

Quoted By: >>5276261

>>5276211
Call it the Dome of Stars and I'm in.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iyOvAGjS Sat 21 May 2022 15:39:51 No.5276261 Report

Quoted By:

>>5276211
Hell yeah, a chronomancer needs proper lair.

>>5276245
Do we disguise the entrance as an arbites call box?

>>5276251
Call it the Dome of Stars, even though it's a pyramid on the outside. Just to fuck with people and throw them off when they look for a dome. Make a fake dome full of stasis traps so we can catch spies who dont realize they are at the wrong place.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:QZdjH+c3 Sat 21 May 2022 16:53:52 No.5276372 Report

Quoted By: >>5276436

>>5276055
lmao we been asking to know this forever now he tells us. Better late than never. Good to know we can do better than the Emperor's handiwork

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Sat 21 May 2022 17:33:24 No.5276436 Report

Quoted By: >>5276467

>>5276372
Yeah, a lot of people myself included just marvel at the idea and design of primarchs and forget that most of their awesome strengths come from their soul stuff inherent in their creation.
Its easy to then think there is no or barely any improvement to make on them.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sat 21 May 2022 17:54:08 No.5276467 Report

Quoted By: >>5276473

>>5276436
Bodies are but shells, it is truly the knowledge within that is the most important.

Also when we meet Vulkan who do you think will have more artefacts him or us? I just remembered he has a teleporter at the bottom of his hammer that helped him to teleport haflway across the galaxy to escape Curze ship, and brought him over the skies of McCragge.

Lucians being known for their teleport tech, I bet we would be green with envy and impressed that Vulkan has a teleporter of that Calibre and ask to look at it.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Sat 21 May 2022 17:57:52 No.5276473 Report

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>>5276467
I want to think that when he forges that weapon he comes to us to work it out, would be a great bonding moment.
I still hold out hope that we are gonna be good friends.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:da10Qwv+ Sat 21 May 2022 20:18:12 No.5276719 Report

Quoted By: >>5276747 >>5276769

>>5275409
UZI is a cutie.
Should we start to bring her openly with us like Corax and Nasturi, so she can witness our meetings and be informed, or should she stay on the ship and do important research and study?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Sat 21 May 2022 20:39:40 No.5276747 Report

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>>5276719
depends on what she has most interest in right now, unless her other duties conflict of course.

I also vote that once we have unlocked technomancy and chronomancy we share it with her first, she is porbably the only tech priest we trust enough to not miss use it AND to actually understand it.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sat 21 May 2022 21:03:34 No.5276769 Report

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>>5276719
>>5276747
I regret we missed the opportunity to talk to her parents on our last visit to Lucius how they felt about her growth as a techpriest, but in due time. QM has plans he's said.

The way I see it we likely will have a few long term options:
-Focus on her combat proficiency, and have her become part of an elite kill squad
-Focus on her research capacity, with her killing power being more a self defense but her primary task is research

Tbh in the 2 centuries of the Great Crusade she has plenty of room to specialize and for us to help her become virtually anything over time. Commander, liason, governor of a planet. Maybe not immediately but with time and upgrades.

We absolutely should share with her the secrets of Technomancy though. Perhaps the best option is the simplest one: our partner. Where we go, she goes. A helper to achieve our dreams, just as we help her to achieve hers

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sat 21 May 2022 23:31:36 No.5276957 Report

Quoted By: >>5277047

Time
>>5275429
>>5275445
>>5275476
>>5275448
>>5275667
>>5275924
>>5276073
>>5275991
>>5275945
>>5276154

Connect to the God Machine
>>5275472
>>5275645
>>5275935

The Electro-Priest Method
>>5275525
>>5275529
>>5275859
>>5275880
>>5275911
>>5275943

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sun 22 May 2022 01:14:56 No.5277047 Report

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>>5276957
I hope you all will like my little inferences and revelations. Since we are in the research department there are things that are not normally discussed in books that I need to figure out. I think I have a good concept here though.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sun 22 May 2022 01:19:49 No.5277051 Report

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A few months had passed since they had arrived at Columnus and continued their way around the Realm of the Emperor. TalOS counted two more Forge Worlds aligning themselves with TalOS as they continued to develop their fleet.

What was at first about three cruisers meant for fast travel so that they could easily gather forces has grown to around thirty in number. If TalOS felt his predictions were correct this number could reach anywhere from one to two hundred ships all devoted to the war with the Mitu Collective.

The only issue with their tour was that they spent significantly more time in the Warp than anywhere else. Being in the dreadful realm of screams and terror was something that TalOS genuinly hated more than anything else in existance but knew that there was nothing he could really do about it. They needed the Warp.

Though you cannot expect a Tech Priest to take the opportunity of time for granted. As TalOS stood within his workshop the Primarch looked at the machine that he was building piece by piece.

+The Ferrata Wires are connected.+ TalOS heard UZ1 declared as he heard the electricity begin to surge through the systems.

+Good, good.+ TalOS declared as he looked at the systems, +The Projector is being powered up. We will need two minutes for the Primarch Machine Spirit to prepare itself.+

+By the Machine God…+ A worn down UZ1 declared as she wiped her brow with an oil covered cloth, +You should get to the railing so we can fire it off before the Machine Spirit grows belligerent.+

+Understood.+ The Primarch announced as he moved around and was now face to face with the massive machine that they had built.

The machine had five lines of massive tubes followed by about eight smaller ones all reaching towards a center pillar. The pillar was an amalgamation of tubes and wires that TalOS and UZ1 both had a rough understanding of their purpose and operation. Their current understanding was that the Stasis Field would grip reality around the object and seperate it from current reality.

How it did this TalOS was keen to find out with this test.

TalOS heard the rhythm of his feet hitting the railing as he climbed towards the stasis tube itself. It was a green glass that TalOS commissioned from the planet of Phaeton that would house himself for the duration of the experiment.

TalOS did not waste any time as he stepped into the tube and made himself welcomed within its chambers.

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As the Primarch made himself comfortable there was a small ping coming from a cogitator, +The Machine Spirits have declared themselves ready TalOS.+

+Prime them for full suspension.+ Declared the Primarch as he felt out his body another time, +For this first test I want to experience full suspension. If I remember records the soul can still think when in suspension so it will be a good test.+

+Understood.+ The Adept declared as she pressed a series of buttons and began processing information, +Oh Machine God, we seek your guiding hand in these times. Activate the proximators and reroute celestine conduit…+

TalOS heard the ritual of this device’s activation from UZ1 as she also pressed a series of buttons. It looked like she had a lot of weight upon herself but it was surely less her misunderstanding the device but worried that her error could cause some form of harm upon TalOS. In their digging of records there have been plenty of cases where people were accidentally severed as the time field splitted their bodies into two seperate times.

TalOS did not have such fears. He trusted both UZ1 and the Machine Spirits that served the two of them.

+Upon this moment in time I activate the suspension. I hereby pray, work.+ The Priestess declared as she depressed a blue button.

In an instant TalOS felt his world stiffen, and his mind was filled with screams.

It was a deep horror that TalOS felt in that moment as he realized the reality that he was within. The Statis Field had somehow robbed the Blackstone of its ability but failed in capturing his mind. The Blackstone, whose effect was upon the Motive Force itself, was made still by the stasis field. The Motive Force within the capsule must have frozen whatever was inside of it stiff while it did not grip the very real psychic effects.

Instinct that was backed into his making began to kick in as TalOS’s mind began to grow stronger. First it was a finger, then it was a mechanrite. TalOS could feel reality shifting as the Primarch began imposing his psychic reality upon the field that he was trapped within.

A second later TalOS heard the machine stop and with an immense force TalOS threw himself across the room. It was plenty of force that would have killed several men but none were in the way as the Primarch destroyed several metal crates with his skull.

TalOS was welcomed with the scent of incense and took it in. He could no longer hear the screams.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sun 22 May 2022 01:22:28 No.5277058 Report

+Are you okay!+ UZ1 ran over while sending for several nearby servitors to come over and lift TalOS up, +I did an emergency shutdown once I saw you moving and your face changing. Did the Blackstone cut off!?+

TalOS gave a solemn nod as he heard her, +The Blackstone is robbed of its Motive Force when in the Stasis Field. As I am a psyker by making, I automatically began standard observation of the Warp. I… only heard them once but my making no longer filters out the screaming. The screams are those who have perished without the grace of the Machine God.+

+Those who have gone into the Warp?+ UZ1 asked with a hint of fearful confirmation.

+Yes, the dead.+ TalOS answered her as he began to rise of his own strength, +I believe this effect can be alleviated with Psi Suppressors as they affect the Warp directly.+

+I will have a few delivered then.+ UZ1 declared as she looked at TalOS, +But, can it keep one of your caliber suppressed?+

TalOS simply gave a nod, +They will surely stop the screaming but my connection with the warp will remain. I… do not know if I can feel the Motive Force with this method.+

+As you can still feel the Warp?+

TalOS gave a certain nod, +It is the reason why a few can still sense the outside even while trapped in suspension. They have stronger souls that are better connected to a realm that is unaffected by the Suspension Field.+

UZ1 processed the materials in her mind as she came to a realization, +Then… we need to sever this link. That or we change methods.+

TalOS simply gave a nod.

>Time to do research into turning someone into a Blank
>No, we will use a different method.
>They need help. Help from TalOS’s creator.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:2PfLgAsE Sun 22 May 2022 01:25:31 No.5277065 Report

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>>5277058
>They need help. Help from TalOS’s creator.
Time to do SCIENCE with daddy

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dlIWFprB Sun 22 May 2022 01:28:38 No.5277070 Report

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>>5277058
>Change method
What the fuck no, becoming a blank is a fucking stupid idea. For stupid people.

We have shit we need to do

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sun 22 May 2022 01:30:33 No.5277072 Report

Quoted By: >>5277078 >>5277448

>>5277058
I should put this forward for people know this and will bring it up, Psykers fuck with Technomancy. As the Motive Force never works correctly around them it cannot be properly predicted and managed thus making it very hard. TalOS will never reach the heights of Technomancy and Chronomancy while being part of the Warp.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Sun 22 May 2022 01:32:13 No.5277074 Report

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>>5277058
>Time to do research into turning someone into a Blank
It's time.

Son of Nanomachine

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Son of Nanomachine ID:y59LTBZp Sun 22 May 2022 01:32:48 No.5277075 Report

Quoted By: >>5277076 >>5277079 >>5277251 >>5277285

>>5277058
>We need help. Help from. . .our Uncle!
QM, with your leave, we have already met the Emperor.

But there is another man, whose face we may remember from infancy in the tubes, or perhaps we have heard of. A man who may one day want to learn of Talos interest in suppressing the warp. A man whom may be the best teacher and surrogate father in his own right.

It would be great to meet him!

Also there is also a variant of Stasis Field from the Dark Age, superior to the normal variety, which is capable of cutting off the user inside from the Warp.

It may be the key to the effect we seek
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Null_Box

He might have access to its design! He did start the Inquisition in canon after all.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sun 22 May 2022 01:34:09 No.5277076 Report

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>>5277075
shhhh.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Sun 22 May 2022 01:34:11 No.5277077 Report

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>>5277058
>They need help. Help from TalOS’s creator.
bonding time. move over Horus.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:y59LTBZp Sun 22 May 2022 01:34:59 No.5277078 Report

Quoted By: >>5277085

>>5277072
But it is in theory, possible to shield or suppress our warp connection to permit us full technomantic connection?

Or "very close as possible" connection?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Sun 22 May 2022 01:35:14 No.5277079 Report

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>>5277075
if we go to the emperor he will probably be their by default.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:x+hl93ja Sun 22 May 2022 01:38:36 No.5277083 Report

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>>5277058
>They need help. Help from TalOS’s creator.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sun 22 May 2022 01:39:57 No.5277085 Report

Quoted By: >>5277104

>>5277078
My explanation takes that into account. In the long run TalOS will benefit in the realm of the mancies if he's closer to the Necrons as I believe Orikan demostrates that Psykers disrupt the effects of specifically Chronomancy. (Also events that happen here can become semi-frequent)

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:0LIZakJr Sun 22 May 2022 01:47:26 No.5277090 Report

Quoted By: >>5277105

>>5275304
I recall being promised %100 human %200 Natoma chines or something to that effect

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TL/saIlR Sun 22 May 2022 01:51:31 No.5277095 Report

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>>5277058
>They need help. Help from TalOS’s creator.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:0LIZakJr Sun 22 May 2022 01:57:09 No.5277103 Report

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>>5277058
>They need help. Help from TalOS’s creator.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:y59LTBZp Sun 22 May 2022 01:57:10 No.5277104 Report

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>>5277085
You're right, severe warp presences such as warp storms and rifts disrupt the natural flow of time.

The other thing that disrupts the ability to predict is things which do not belong in that time. So Trazyns museum of unnatural wonders also disrupts his vision (though not his powers) because of how much stuff in stasis there is there.

I'm unsure if theres a satisfying way to achieve the effect without figuratively crossing the Rubicon by being a Blankmarch.

But maybe for prediction purposes we can attempt. Like the null box and alteration to null field tech. Maybe.

Suppose if nothing works we will have to make a choice. But let's exhaust all our other options first.

One way, though also drastic, i can see us doing is a big power boost. But that would require the shard or an extraordinarily powerful being.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sun 22 May 2022 01:57:28 No.5277105 Report

Quoted By: >>5277108 >>5277111

>>5277090
I have no idea what you are talking about. I searched Natoma chines and it came out as some kind of china glassware.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:0LIZakJr Sun 22 May 2022 02:00:26 No.5277108 Report

Quoted By: >>5277122

>>5277105
Nano machines . Stupid tablet auto changed what I typed.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:y59LTBZp Sun 22 May 2022 02:02:15 No.5277111 Report

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>>5277105
He probably typo'd and meant nanites. Lol.

Well search for it by the Machine God. Maybe not today. Maybe not tomorrow. But one day!

Other than Glavia maybe Mars has yet found a Nanyte blaster. Only time and QM can tell.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sun 22 May 2022 02:09:42 No.5277122 Report

Quoted By: >>5277128

>>5277108
That was my guess but it was funnier when doing the dinnerware search.

Anyways, you can get access to them eventually. I do think however you can get a lot better things like becoming Doctor Octopus and also getting multiple arms.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9p/p+gHP Sun 22 May 2022 02:10:14 No.5277124 Report

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>>5277058
>No, we will use a different method.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:y59LTBZp Sun 22 May 2022 02:13:20 No.5277128 Report

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>>5277122
Fuck yeah mechadendrites AND more arms, best of both worlds.

Arms for punching and heavy weapons, drites for stabbing blasting and running!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:A9EQR7B7 Sun 22 May 2022 02:14:53 No.5277129 Report

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>>5277058
>Time to do research into turning someone into a Blank
The warp is for pussies.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:y59LTBZp Sun 22 May 2022 02:20:12 No.5277136 Report

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Guys we waited all this time to talk to the Emperor and Malcador, saving our eyes for this moment.

Let us get all the information first, them make an educated decision as the holy books command. Knowledge is sacred!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UVXQSzUT Sun 22 May 2022 04:05:10 No.5277228 Report

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>>5277058
>They need help. Help from TalOS’s creator.
Time to experience bad parenting!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J06DqA2J Sun 22 May 2022 04:18:07 No.5277234 Report

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>Ask malcador! He can't be any worse than daddy!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:tZJne/md Sun 22 May 2022 04:18:13 No.5277235 Report

Quoted By:

>>5277058
>Time to do research into turning someone into a Blank

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fR+yno8R Sun 22 May 2022 04:24:07 No.5277236 Report

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>>5277058
>Time to do research into turning someone into a Blank
Who needs the warp when you got SCIENCE!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Sun 22 May 2022 04:49:56 No.5277250 Report

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>>5277058
>>Time to do research into turning someone into a Blank
No pain no gain.
TalOS learning the arts of the Necrons while being a psyker? Meet Mary Sue and Gary Stue

Also how AWESOME "The Null Primarch" even more reasons to REDACTED TalOS from history

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ogWqys8g Sun 22 May 2022 04:54:23 No.5277251 Report

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>>5277075
>We need help. Help from. . .our Uncle!
Supporting

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:8wbVUBdG Sun 22 May 2022 05:03:31 No.5277259 Report

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>>5277058
>They need help. Help from TalOS’s creator.

Time to bond with Emps I guess.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:IApM5K2D Sun 22 May 2022 05:32:47 No.5277285 Report

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>>5277075
>supporting, unless creator gets more votes
Speaking to Big M will be of big help in this endeavor, so will Big E our Father, both are incredibly knowledgeable in the Immaterium , but the main point of our discussion should be severing our connection to the warp as it will interfere with our technomancy

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:IApM5K2D Sun 22 May 2022 05:35:31 No.5277286 Report

Quoted By: >>5277295

Also I think that bonding with our Father will be worthwhile if we can make clear our fear/loathing of the Warp and our desire for Humanity to separate from it

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:y59LTBZp Sun 22 May 2022 05:44:42 No.5277295 Report

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>>5277286
Careful with our statements. For them the goal is to separate mans *dependence* on the warp.

But the first steps of both plans are identical.

Theh likely will not tell us of the long term plan for humanity to become the new old ones. Nor will they live to see it matter of course.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:3dzIrEXc Sun 22 May 2022 06:09:01 No.5277318 Report

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>>5277058
>Blank research.
It's gonna need to happen sooner or later, I was hoping for this to be something we did back home or on Xana, just for more research partners but if we can turn ourselves, surely we can do so to a baseline human. Maybe even find a way to reverse our signature, exerting an equal blank influence as psychic. Flip out polarities somehow.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lNpJNOCZ Sun 22 May 2022 06:33:22 No.5277340 Report

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>>5277058
>Time to do research into turning someone into a Blank

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:l+t1mZ3h Sun 22 May 2022 08:38:23 No.5277448 Report

Quoted By: >>5277463 >>5277577

>>5277072
>>TalOS will never reach the heights of Technomancy and Chronomancy while being part of the Warp.

Hmm, but wouldn't he have the same problem with psykers of any kind or earp entities then? They would throw out his predictions, would disrupt chromosphere, etc. Truthfully we have a way to feel the motive force - MCs connection with his God machine. And Emperor knows technomancy - that's how he 'healed' the Titan when he got to Mars. Being blank isn't panacea to those problems: while that will exclude inside interference it doesn't do so to outside, IMHO.

Not to mention what such state would do to ourselves and to the method of producing Astartes/Acillians.

>>5277058
>Change method

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:y59LTBZp Sun 22 May 2022 09:27:14 No.5277463 Report

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>>5277448
The point to me is not going to the Emperor and Malcador to have a clearer vision, but to go to them to gain their information on our mind and our nature so we can better apply ourselves and survey all our options to reach that state knowing we have done all we can to have no shadow of doubt viewed all data before selecting a plan.

Even Malcado had a vested interest in blanks and pariahs, and this is the BEST time to lay the seed to convince him on our views on moving the project to Xana and not Terra. Plus convincing them we can work with them on super science projects and have better access to their DAoT goodies.

That's probably the biggest upshot

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/xdvS4J6 Sun 22 May 2022 09:58:22 No.5277488 Report

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>>5277058
>They need help. Help from TalOS’s creator.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sun 22 May 2022 12:24:27 No.5277577 Report

Quoted By: >>5277586 >>5277715

>>5277448
The Emperor is not a Technomancer but a psyker. Using his immense Psychic powers he rewrote reality to suite what he wasnted (In this case it was repairing a knight).

Is there limits to what he can do, probably not he's the fucking emperor. Will TalOS be able to get over the hurdle of being a psyker is a no however since the Motive Force will never mold themselves around him correctly. Its like trying to build a damn but every time you get close to the water it spring up and throws itself over the damn you just created.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UVXQSzUT Sun 22 May 2022 12:50:45 No.5277586 Report

Quoted By: >>5277588

>>5277577
>>5277577
I'm personally in favour of becoming a blank a bit later down the line, since primarchs are powered by their souls and we still need a bit more of diplomacy (even if it's suppressed our primarch aurora helps a lot) so right now going to emps (and maybe hopefully malcador) will allow us to gain an insight into the situation we wouldn't get otherwise.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sun 22 May 2022 12:52:19 No.5277588 Report

Quoted By: >>5277589 >>5277601

>>5277586
Hey man, I wanna write it.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sun 22 May 2022 12:53:20 No.5277589 Report

Quoted By: >>5277601

>>5277588
Also, most of the Primarch Charisma has been dulled due to the Blackstone. Most people are marveling because they know who TalOS is and he's just a giant piece of a man.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UVXQSzUT Sun 22 May 2022 13:10:33 No.5277601 Report

Quoted By: >>5277603

>>5277588
I honestly didn't see the username...
>>5277589
The Blackstone pendant is that effective? I'm a bit shocked

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Sun 22 May 2022 13:11:56 No.5277603 Report

Quoted By: >>5277631

>>5277601
its not that its amazingly strong, its that TaL0S has been using it on and off for such a long time

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:tZJne/md Sun 22 May 2022 14:04:13 No.5277631 Report

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>>5277603
Maybe it'd be possible to invert TaL0S psy signature like we changed the Blackstone fortress from a psy to anti psy weapon

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sun 22 May 2022 15:06:27 No.5277684 Report

Quoted By: >>5277692 >>5277699 >>5277763

Are you guys that bothered by me jumping these last few posts? Its more of a necessary evil but I want to make sure not too many of you are bothered by its need.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Sun 22 May 2022 15:11:40 No.5277692 Report

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>>5277684
I don't mind, maybe describe what happens in between in a little more detail but otherwise fine with me.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Sun 22 May 2022 15:23:36 No.5277699 Report

Quoted By: >>5277700 >>5277720 >>5277763

>>5277684
Maybe just give us the cliff notes version. what other forge worlds did we get to help. What were they like and do they have a specialty.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Sun 22 May 2022 15:26:06 No.5277700 Report

Quoted By: >>5277720

>>5277699
Yeah and if they agreed to support our "challenge" of mars, under what caveats. Were they easy to convince or was it hard, does TaL0S think they will be good and loyal allies or is it it of convenience, something along those lines.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sun 22 May 2022 15:39:36 No.5277715 Report

Quoted By: >>5277718

>>5277577
>Will TalOS be able to get over the hurdle of being a psyker is a no however since the Motive Force will never mold themselves around him correctly
So this is an official statement I take it that "There is no feasible way to maximize the Motive Force while once is a psyker".
I am to imply that no amount of null technology, suppressants, or fields or other crutches will change this fact, at best maximize it.
This is something important to take into mind.

The other question I suppose then is, can we with our best null/separation tech achieve a partial technomancy effect and if so what do we lose out on? Or is that we cannot even do any technomancy while we are a psyker.

There are cases where even Talos may accept limitations. Consider the cog mechanicus is half man half machine, not 100% of both. For to be silica anima treads the path of heresy. Thus Talos is, theoretically not going to be as smart or strong as the smartest AI possible (but he will give them the best run for their money). However he could have many crutches to back him up, such as Necron Technomancy and relics.

If it is possible to be a crutched Technomancer, will it serve the purposes we need. And if not, what are the risks and losses involved in being a Blankmarch. More the so, will the Emperor and Malcador approve of it.

Basically to make it simple questions that perhaps you can answer for us or we can find out:

#1 Can we achieve partial technomancy using null tech and boosters (necron relics), or is it all or nothing?
#2 If we can achieve partial technomancy, what do we lose out from full embrasure of technomancy as a blank?
#2 Pro's and Con's and approval or dissaproval from our creator if we become a Blank?

On the topic of the Emperor rewriting the universe with Psychic powers, interestingly if we did choose Technomancy as a blank, it would be possible for us to rewrite the code of reality as full Cryptek. For that is what they do, altering the fabric of the materium to serve their needs.

I would wager the effect of the Cryptek on reality may even related to Enuncia, the veritable program code of reality, which can be spoken without use of the warp to change it. It can even be used to command and repel daemons without psychic power. Maybe as an upshot of full Technomancer, Talos can learn it. Such a power would certainly be a tempting pro if there were confirmation that it could be within our reach in the long run as a blank.

In short, I want to imagine the Emperor could know at least a few of this stuff and tell us before we do something rash.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sun 22 May 2022 15:40:42 No.5277718 Report

Quoted By: >>5277729 >>5277856 >>5277889

>>5277715
I mean yeah, but at this point we have enough votes going to Nullhood.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sun 22 May 2022 15:42:02 No.5277720 Report

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>>5277700
>>5277699
Also ideally the focus of priority in order I feel is
#1 Get political support/votes for our bid to be Fabricator General / challenge to the current leaderships hegemony
#2 Get actual military assistance for Lucius in the Mitu War
#3 access to some of that juicty specialty technology

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sun 22 May 2022 15:46:22 No.5277729 Report

Quoted By: >>5277835

>>5277718
Honestly I feel 90% I want to go into nullhood too.

But I just want some information and also its polite to ask Emperor and Malcador before we do something so drastic. It may look good upon their eyes that we ask first, and thus earn us some reputation, before showing up with something that totally wrecks their plans

I'd like to hope after a conversation with them, we can still choose to go the path of a null now with all information available to us. It will hopefully not make a difference if we vote now vs vote after then.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Sun 22 May 2022 16:11:11 No.5277763 Report

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>>5277684
Not really, but I would appreaciate a quick recap.
>>5277699
Like what this anon says.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ZwyROSk6 Sun 22 May 2022 17:06:00 No.5277830 Report

Quoted By:

>>5277058
>They need help. Help from TalOS’s creator.
this is gonna be fun

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:3dzIrEXc Sun 22 May 2022 17:15:05 No.5277835 Report

Quoted By:

>>5277729
Mfw: We become a powerful blank, exerting a huge reality affirming aura. We collapse the webway project just do to our presence.
Though maybe the webway is in essence different enough to not be as effected.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Sun 22 May 2022 17:33:26 No.5277856 Report

Quoted By: >>5277887 >>5277898 >>5278037

>>5277718
>going to Nullhood.
It's time for the null primarch!!! Primarchs like Corvus Corax are going to be our little bitch, because his bullshit batman powers won't work on us! That means TalOS will get to SEE him aproaching, moments before corvus ripping him in half because he is that strong...

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:cyVhmq7q Sun 22 May 2022 18:02:38 No.5277885 Report

Quoted By:

>>5277058
>They need help. Help from TalOS’s creator.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UVXQSzUT Sun 22 May 2022 18:03:41 No.5277887 Report

Quoted By: >>5277898

>>5277856
There's a funny story with Corax where the primarch was about to exterminate a human population telepathically enslaved by a xenos race, he saw the parallels of enslavement with his own people and decided to liberate the planet in his own terms. When the planet was liberated it was given to the Mechanicus, which decided the entire population would be made into servitors

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UVXQSzUT Sun 22 May 2022 18:04:42 No.5277889 Report

Quoted By:

>>5277718
I'm not against it, just want some father son (uncle?) bonding time first

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:cyVhmq7q Sun 22 May 2022 18:09:10 No.5277898 Report

Quoted By: >>5277919

>>5277856
>>5277887
Night Lords felt so mindblown when their visor helms kept making an outline of something but their eyes and brain refused to admit something was there.

Cameras seem to bypass his psychic ability understandably.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:IYZritSi Sun 22 May 2022 18:36:28 No.5277919 Report

Quoted By:

>>5277898
>Our machine spirits tell us somethig's aproaching us even if we can't see anything.
>Oh well, they are never wrong so we might us well.
>We Za Warudo and V.A.T.S the shaps with blackstone bullets.
>It's our bro Corax
>Dadsgonnabemad.jpg

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ntozOKsv Sun 22 May 2022 18:42:27 No.5277927 Report

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>>5277058
>>No, we will use a different method.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sun 22 May 2022 20:18:32 No.5278037 Report

Quoted By: >>5278043 >>5278051

>>5277856
This presents an interesting theoretical.

So the Primarchs are so damn good. Like really fucking bloody good at what they do. Corax has his stealth and Magnus has his sorcery, but we know that Angron is strong, Russ is ferocious, Lion El is determined, Mortarion is tanking and Guilliman is a tactician.

How much of their abilities are grounded in reality vs the effects of warp based provenance. If you cast an incredibly powerful blank field upon them, does it do more than just dampen their emotions, thoughts and willpower but theoretically make them less godlike upon the material plane? In the case of obvious warp powers like Magnus and Corax that is likely for Magnus was severely wounded after he lost the ability to use his powers against Russ for that fight, but how much of say Russ prowess is true skill and experience vs his "Wyrd" the provenance of fate and the warp? Could one or two points of those invulnerability saves be the warps dictate of luck and fortune upon the Primarchs.

If we ground the area around us to firm reality, and our bonuses are all those of reality (Technology, Cogitator Implants, Physical Energy manipulation) could it give us an edge on our brothers?

In the very least, I hope it gives us a powerful advantage when the traitors decide to infuse themselves and give themselves over to the powers of Chaos. Magnus if he dies and becomes a full daemon won't be able to so much as come near us while our null field is active. Especially if we become the Blankmarch.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Sun 22 May 2022 20:25:51 No.5278043 Report

Quoted By: >>5278051

>>5278037
If we go Null and are good about it, it could lead to another potential future. Where the more educated know the names of the 20 primarchs, the ones to lead the crusade, where only the few that survived from that time know there was another primarch, one that changed and consequently wasn't considered one anymore.
TaL0S would be a secret, a myth spread in the mechanicus and even less of a story outside of it, to the point were even the inquisition would treat stories about his "divine heritage" as heretical.

Gulliman then searching for him to help him and keep the mechanicus under a tighter leash would really confuse people, thats a story i would love to read.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:IYZritSi Sun 22 May 2022 20:36:57 No.5278051 Report

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>>5278037
Imagine if Emps sends us to take Magnus instead of Russ and instead of Horus deciving us to fight Magnus, he tries his damnest to stop us from carpet bombing the Thousand Sons with Blackstone relativistic kill missiles.
>>5278043
I doubt that the Mechanicus would consider us a myth since we are on the track of becoming their (Omni)Messiah, their David or their Muhammed depending on how we spin the Technomacy and Void Dragon/Machine God relevation.

The Machine QM

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sun 22 May 2022 21:59:35 No.5278117 Report

Quoted By: >>5278366

They needed help. Things were as simple as that.

TalOS will, begrudgingly, claim that he had an immense amount of Psychic knowledge. The consumption of the current three psychic species would do that to a person. Though ultimately the two of them agreed that their knowledge base was lesser than it can be. After all there was someone who was identified as TalOS’s creator and such a powerful psyker that his mere presence caused Blackstone to change charges.

Thus the message was sent out to Terra. A simple request for an audience with TalOS’s father and details on what the research would entail. To TalOS’s surprise he received word within minutes of it being sent out.

It said that they were welcomed to visit Terra on behalf of the Imperial Household.

Thus coordinates and routes were changed. What was a previously ignored part of the journey became one of their final destinations on the trip around the Universe. The Holy Planet of Terra, the birthplace of humanity.

It was months though before TalOS made his way in that direction though. He continued his travels through the realm of Segmentum Solar and Pacificus in what was now a mass collection of ships from all cloaks about the Mechanicum.

Many of the Forge Worlds that TalOS visited were willing to toss him some ships for use. Some felt themselves very safe and thus gave the Primarch ten Cruisers while others gave him a bank of three or four. It soon became evident that the medium sized forges were starting to compete on who can supply TalOS with the greater number of ships to show their devotion to the Machine God and Omnissiah.

As for trade TalOS began introductions between Forge Worlds and getting them to start helping one another. Previously Mars was sucking up most of their supplies and no one felt they were able to specialize but TalOS put an end to that. Instead of a colonial power of old sucking up all her children’s resources each forge began trading immense amounts between one another.

By the time a year and a half rolled around TalOS counted one hundred fifty ships among his fleet. It had gotten so extreme that the Arch Dominus began having supplies ferries from Lucius to him so that they would not have a shortage.

TalOS’s pilgrimage had turned. No longer was TalOS leading an exhibition but and entire Crusade Fleet. Names had gone around about the Priests but only one name stuck.

The Machine God’s Crusade.

The Machine QM

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sun 22 May 2022 22:00:44 No.5278119 Report

Quoted By: >>5278433

Terra was a planet that TalOS had seen thousands of records about. Such records gave TalOS a rough idea that the planet had gone through a series of phases in the time that humanity lived upon its soils.

The first was the time in which Terra was known as Earth. This era was when the planet formed the federation and reached out into the stars with gleeful abandon without care for the xenos and things out there. During this time the planet was green and blue with the precense of fauna and water comparably. This, according to TalOS’s previous research, was the time that Terra was at its height.

The second time available was Long Night, when Terra and Mars were both cut off from the rest of their empire. Through the grace of the Machine God the Mechanicum emerged from the red dunes to fire off a series of Ark Mechanicus into the stars. These ships were built to help support and settle planets so that the knowledge of the Universe could be acquired before anyone else.

This time there were plenty of references to Terra but as a Ruin World. Within its walls there were a plethora of lost technologies and locations that Mechanicum Expeditionary Forces came to retrieve or pillage for lost archives. The planet itself was a desolate wasteland where the humans all gathered up in the few hospitable locations.

If TalOS read those records correctly as well he had a suspicion that the talons of the dark gods were slowly sinking themselves into the planet. A taint of witch kings and covens whose magics allowed them to rule unopposed.

What TalOS saw when he landed upon the oddly golden planet was not a land of death, decay, and heresy but instead a growing vibrance. Looking around the Primarch noted a massive assembly of buildings freshly built to immense architectural standards that placed them above most other non-Mechanicum structures.

Looking forward from his landing zone was five golden guards. TalOS had heard the reviews and systematics of the Custodes but to see one in person caused his genetor mind to alight with new ideas.

But that was not what he was here for. He was here to meet the one who invited him to Terra. As the Primarch could feel that his Creator was not here, he was curious what kind of person had the kind of authority to truly invoke the authority of the Emperor of Mankind.

The Machine QM

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sun 22 May 2022 22:12:03 No.5278127 Report

Quoted By: >>5278131 >>5278742 >>5279614

Walking in TalOS would compare the quarters he arrived in to be comparable to the High Court of Lucius. TalOS had noted before walking in that this place, the Imperial Palace, looked to still be under construction. Was this an excuse for it being similar in size to what TalOS would admit a simple Forge World’s grandest temple?

Yes, for this planet was currently funding the greatest Crusade humanity has ever seen.

TalOS was not joined by his cohort of Tech Priests for they were not the ones who assisted him in his project. Instead it was UZ1 who looked around the place trying to analyze each and every piece of rock for potential adoption. As TalOS looked down to her the girl gave him a hearty smile to placate any worries the Primarch might have had.

+Do you feel Nervous?+ UZ1 joked over the Noosphere to TalOS.

TalOS gave a small shake of the head, +Not at this moment. Curiosity and wonderment would be more accurate.+

+They do not seem to be finished. They likely won’t finish if the needs of the central administrative body keep growing.+ UZ1 pointed out with a small bit of insight.

TalOS gave a nod to the thought, +They would need a good architect.+

As they finished their little talk the sound of a staff hitting the hard rockcrete floor came to the two’s ears. Looking forward TalOS saw not a giant of a man like he expected, but instead a smaller disheveled middle aged man.

“I welcome you to the Imperial Palace, Arch Dominus TalOS DAV1S.” He said in a few whisps of a voice, “This would make you the third of your brothers to walk these halls. The people of Terra herald your arrival with games and festivities that you will never attend, but they are still in your honor.”

TalOS gave a solemn bow as his Machine Spirits processed the face of the person before him and compared them to images provided by his sister forges, “I thank you for such a welcome, Malcador the Sigillite.”

The Regent of Terra gave TalOS a very human smile as he gave a wave of the hands, “Follow. I have read your messages and what you have presented to me is quite the intriguing endeavor. Custodians, you will not need to follow us.”

The four that were guiding the two Tech Priests went off to the sides as they were told. Without much more TalOS made his way along with UZ1 to walk with the Regent of Terra.

The Machine QM

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sun 22 May 2022 22:13:06 No.5278130 Report

Quoted By: >>5278136 >>5278140 >>5278141 >>5278145 >>5278180 >>5278592 >>5278632 >>5278654

It took a few moments as the place was so large but the two groups became locked in step with one another. The middle aged man easily matched pace with both TalOS and UZ1, which struck TalOS quickly as something unnatural. Within seconds TalOS realized it.

He was a psyker. A psyker who was going to help TalOS himself become a weapon against their kind.

“I am sure you were wanting to talk to the Emperor directly, though you understand that your Father has already gone back to his Crusade. He has some extra time ever since we have conquered Terra but that is only because of Warp travel.” The Regent declared before shaking his head, “But you do not call him Father now do you?”

“He is my creator. Fatherhood was already claimed by another.” The Primarch answered back as they passed through an archway.

“He had informed me how saddened he was to hear those words from you.” The man told TalOS with a small phantom grin, “We thought that was your logic and accepted it as such. One of the costs of sending your children across the galaxy is that they might not recognize you.”

“I am sure he will find my other brothers more welcoming.” TalOS told the Sigillite as they routed a corner, “I have simply seen too much.”

“Indeed you have. One xenocide and another war, both with psykers.” Malcador stated as he gave a nod, “But you will succeed. You have whipped up a frenzy among the cultists of the Machine God that I have not seen yet.”

“I shall confirm your hypothesis, Malcador.” Declared TalOS with a small sense of validation.

“I do wish to assist you in this project. While I am sure you were looking towards the Emperor as one wise in your creation I am as well. You could think of me as an Uncle of sorts.” The man gave a shallow laugh as he said those words, “But in your case think of me as a prime contributor in developing your souls.”

Dangerous eyes set upon the Sigillite as he announced, “If you wish to augment them just as the Mechanicum augments their flesh I am willing to assist you. That is, if you permit me to.”

>Well, we got a partner in crime.
>Keep him as a limited partner.
>He is way WAY too sketchy.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sun 22 May 2022 22:14:19 No.5278131 Report

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>>5278127
I know this pic does not make sense, but its funny as hell.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dlIWFprB Sun 22 May 2022 22:17:05 No.5278136 Report

Quoted By: >>5278141 >>5278148 >>5278152 >>5278158 >>5278179 >>5278180 >>5278181 >>5278468 >>5278475 >>5278500 >>5278572 >>5278632 >>5278929 >>5279069 >>5279585

>>5278130
>Limited partner trial run, If we feel good about him and his contributions and DISCRETION we can elevate him to a partner in crime.

Trust cuts both ways, but we can't be reckless about our great works.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:A9EQR7B7 Sun 22 May 2022 22:23:07 No.5278140 Report

Quoted By: >>5279585

>>5278130
>Well, we got a partner in crime.
No halfsies, we do this one right.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UVXQSzUT Sun 22 May 2022 22:30:05 No.5278141 Report

Quoted By: >>5279585

>>5278136
>Support
Continued collaboration with Malcador is paramount to our success, hopefully we can stop the poor guy from disintegrating in the future.
>>5278130
So Uncle Malcador is on board with us turning ourselves into a blank? Neat.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Sun 22 May 2022 22:37:44 No.5278145 Report

Quoted By: >>5279585

>>5278130
>Well, we got a partner in crime.
Fuck it, we have been metagaming about Mal's blank project, might aswell fo all in.
Also immediatly trusting and being forthcoming with the paranoid man might make him more confused than being understandably cautious. And that would be funny.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Sun 22 May 2022 22:41:16 No.5278148 Report

Quoted By: >>5279585

>>5278136
>this
Trust but verify
Let's be honest, a part of that is Tal0S's inate psyker bias, the other is simple caution.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TL/saIlR Sun 22 May 2022 22:48:05 No.5278152 Report

Quoted By: >>5279585

>>5278136
>Support

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/xdvS4J6 Sun 22 May 2022 22:57:48 No.5278158 Report

Quoted By: >>5279585

>>5278136
>Supporting

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:f7F0yRdI Sun 22 May 2022 23:23:54 No.5278179 Report

Quoted By:

>>5278136
Support.
I mean I support us and Malc all the way, I just like the narrative of Talos growing more paranoid and suspicious and would like that to enter the narrative again in some way.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:x+hl93ja Sun 22 May 2022 23:23:54 No.5278180 Report

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>>5278130
Backing this way >>5278136

Damn, we got the real emperor not his meat puppet to help us.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Yh0+cpPV Sun 22 May 2022 23:27:31 No.5278181 Report

Quoted By: >>5279585

>>5278136
>support

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:f7F0yRdI Sun 22 May 2022 23:32:00 No.5278186 Report

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Sorry, should have included this thought in my post before. But if we manage to develope a good relationship with Malcador, as solid and respectable research partners if nothing else, we might get involved in some stuff he kicks up in the future.. Like getting a close association with the assassination temples, Culexus in particular. Being able to call in one of them could be pretty interesting.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:szFG+a2y Mon 23 May 2022 00:33:46 No.5278257 Report

Quoted By: >>5279585

>Well, we got a partner in crime

LOL emperor found someotoo much like himself.
Upto and trusting his best friend.

WE SHOULD also bridge the gap between the them and Magnus later.

Son of Nanomachine

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Mon 23 May 2022 01:39:33 No.5278366 Report

Quoted By: >>5278608 >>5278960 >>5278990

Oh my machine god we are here.

WE ARE HERE.

Blessed and most holy Sol, Terra and Mars!

PRAISE THE MACHINE GOD

I can only imagine Talos reaction upon exiting warp and coming into the same space as the ancient cradle of mankind, but also of himself and his crusaders. Did we weep with tears joy and fall to our prayers, to see such a holy space? Did we make solemn prayer and sermon, or revel in cheer and song. Or did we restrain ourselves in quiet gratitude and purpose, focusing on a task, though our hearts throbbed with joy . ..and grief. For Terra is not what it was in the ancient Federation, nor is the Sol System. We tread in the ruins of a once great empire of man and machine that we can only hope to one day see again.

Toll the Great Bell Once!
For the Souls of Man and Spirit of Machine
lost upon our journey
never to lay eyes upon blessed Sol

Toll the Great Bell Twice!
May You keep their spirits eternal
in Thy incorruptible databanks
Our Master of Flesh and Iron.
Though I walk through the Noctis Valley
I shall fear no Evil

Toll the Great Bell Thrice!
For the Prophet Talos Davis
Synchronizer of Forgeworlds
True Seeker after Mysteries and Truth
Guide his machines and his soul
as they travel lightless void and horrors beyond

Toll the Great Bell in Grief!
Mourn the loss of knowledge,
STCs lost, Terra's ruins, Mars wounds

Sing Praise to the God of Machines!

>>5278117
That's one hell of a time skip, necessary I suppose. I hope more than just gathering allies, we have become fast friends with UZI. Ah well, we are in SOL! We will likely spend so much time here, Machine God permitting. And of course, we have the Red Planet to visit soon. . . I hope we brought WATER

Son of Nanomachine

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Mon 23 May 2022 02:05:18 No.5278433 Report

Quoted By: >>5278960

>>5278119
Fallen, fallen is Terra the Great.
Her Space Elevators have Toppled, her High Towers laid low.
Her Orbital Plates hath come down, their ruins smote upon the dust
Her Flying Cars hath tumbled from the heavens, the Skyways are made still
The Iron Men hath rebelled, the Wise Men hath destroyed themselves!
With fires nuclear, with weapons plague'd, Terra was laid low
The world given unto the Techno Barbarian, the Witch, the Madman
May there be mercy on man and machine for their sins

Sing praise to the reconstruction
give thanks to the Machine God for our Creator
May Terra rise again!

---
At some point Talos should write up his Machina Divinatatus. Probably when Lorgar starts trying to shove his own book in Talos Face. Possibly literally.

Son of Nanomachine

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Mon 23 May 2022 02:28:29 No.5278468 Report

Quoted By: >>5278500 >>5278592 >>5278632 >>5278929 >>5279069 >>5279125 >>5279239 >>5279585

>>Support >>5278136
hopefully it does lead to him being our partner in crime.
Our Brother Dorn might agree one day, strong trust is like a strong wall, it is built brick by brick not laid down all at once

Also if you guys are okay with it:
>>Respond to Malcador's statement
"If he wants a son, he need but ask. I have accepted a wonderful son and a daughter into my life, for they asked if I would be their father and I became one to them. I would serve loyally as tool if that is his main desire and would be pleased at his honesty, just as I would hear from him if he seeks to reconnect with his lost child. Let war and science have their secrets. For such matters the heart and family, I appreciate honesty.

I thank you for your honesty, Uncle."

Malcador gave us the good favor of being honest that he see's us as Nephew, and we can be glad to accept it.

I am legit curious if QM is taking the Emperor wants children approach vs the Emperor just wants Primarchs to get shit done. The only way we can find out is by testing the waters I feel. Nothing wrong with having two fathers either, our adoptive and our biological. It is not unprecedented.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Mon 23 May 2022 02:34:51 No.5278475 Report

Quoted By: >>5279585

>>5278136
>Support

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:cLEvJJqS Mon 23 May 2022 02:44:32 No.5278500 Report

Quoted By: >>5279585

>>5278136
>Supporting
>>5278468
>Supporting
Let's throw the Emperor a bone.
Talos call him creator out of respect he deserves. He would call him a Father out of love he shows. Emperor is a biological dad meeting his long lost son raised by a foster father. It's still possible to reconnect.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Mon 23 May 2022 03:38:58 No.5278572 Report

Quoted By: >>5279585

>>5278136
>Well, we got a partner in crime.
No problem in it. Even if he takes over the project, our goal was acomplished

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:QZdjH+c3 Mon 23 May 2022 03:59:37 No.5278592 Report

Quoted By: >>5279585

>>5278130
>Well, we got a partner in crime.
>>5278468
>+1 Support interaction
I think we can trust Malcador, but I like the idea of letting him know we are open to the Emperor's want of a son. We spoke as creation to creator because that is very obviously what he designed us to be, but we couldn't know him directly or what sort of man he is if we don't interact with him.

Also we are going to definitely start calling Malcador our uncle.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:QZdjH+c3 Mon 23 May 2022 04:16:26 No.5278608 Report

Quoted By: >>5278742

>>5278366
Praise the Machine God for our safe arrival! Talos should comment on the beauty and sadness of seeing Terra in such a state. Out of all the Primarchs Talos cares the most for lost glory of the Federation and he can look at the ruins of buildings and recreate in his head what they used to be. Maybe he will ask his uncle to tell him stories of the golden days if he lived through them and how Lucius can help rebuild.

We can bond over archeology and preservation of the past. Malcador did have a large art collection, he even has the Rosetta Stone and Mona Lisa. I wonder if we can ask to become a Sigilite ourselves one day and preserve history.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fR+yno8R Mon 23 May 2022 04:34:38 No.5278632 Report

Quoted By: >>5279585

>>5278130
>>5278136
>Support
>>5278468
>Also Support

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9p/p+gHP Mon 23 May 2022 05:01:46 No.5278654 Report

Quoted By: >>5279585

>>5278130
>He is way WAY too sketchy.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J06DqA2J Mon 23 May 2022 05:34:33 No.5278705 Report

Quoted By: >>5278742 >>5278960

Could we ask him to train us? He's already good at anti psyker stuff.

Son of Nanomachine

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Mon 23 May 2022 06:22:05 No.5278742 Report

Quoted By: >>5278750 >>5278943

>>5278608
The Mona Lisa would be a great relic of the ancient Magi Da Vinci we can appreciate, an inventor and genetor far ahead of his time.

>>5278705
It would be interesting contrast for a Psyker to also be aware of the abilities of a Null, or perhaps link us to a powerful Sister of Silence.

Speaking of, I wonder if we should enroll Trig and Vera to become or be learned by the Sisters of Silence? Or get a Tutor for them.

>>5278127
"The people of Terra herald your arrival with games and festivities that you will never attend"
Rereading this bit, it's quite sad. I Imagine Talos isn't attending because he has science to do, but he certainly would have enjoyed it.

Maybe we can attend just a little of the festvities? Imagine how awesome say, participating in a race would be. Especially if any of our Tech Brothers arrive to make their own speed vehicle.

"+They would need a good architect.+"
This is also something to note. We could play our hand and be useful here.

There is just SO much we can do on Terra I hope we stay here and on Mars for a good while.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:8mKgPoHX Mon 23 May 2022 06:38:23 No.5278750 Report

Quoted By:

>>5278742
We need to go spelunking on Mars with our null tech and technomancy we could make a lot of progress there. Plus it would be a nice warm up before going into the depths of Lucius and not having to worry about accidentally a supernova.

Also good point on the sisters of silence. We could definitely use some trainers from them.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:6FhbGcRV Mon 23 May 2022 12:21:44 No.5278929 Report

Quoted By: >>5279585

>Well, we got a partner in crime.
>>5278136
>Supporting this sentiment
>>5278468
>Supporting this
I want to see Malcador become our partner in crime, even if at first Talos has to overcome his own inhibitions. It makes for a better story narratively, and might look favorably to Malcador who see's him try hard to get over his unease at psychic ability to work with him. Just as he and the Emperor, had to overcome their own unease whenever around the Sisters of Silence or the first blank they met. Talos will have many questions for Malcador about his own creation, both of them being master genetors, so working with Malcador will be an incredible opportunity to know himself and even his own mind.

Also letting the Emperor know he could bond with Talos as a long lost son opens up the door for QM to start having the Emperor open up heart to heart. He might psychically talk to Magnus, but I bet Magnus doesn't know his way around an atomantic reactor engine like we would. And the Emperor surely has many science projects of his own he could want a son to help him with.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Mon 23 May 2022 12:30:51 No.5278943 Report

Quoted By: >>5278960

>>5278742
Cough cough Dorn cough cough.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:6FhbGcRV Mon 23 May 2022 12:45:06 No.5278960 Report

Quoted By:

>>5278366
Praise the Deus Mechanicus
https://youtu.be/PpemPv_fB30
>>5278433
It's too bad we still have the Mitu War to fight. Once the Mitu War is done, we will surely divert its resources to rebuilding the glories of Terra and Mars.
>>5278705
There's much beyond just psyker stuff Malcador can train us in, but that is one of them.
>>5278943
>Dorn arrives
>"This is an improvement over the previous iteration. . .but it is still wrong"
>Makes sweeping changes
Someone like Perturabo would be slighted, but Talos would be amazed at the defensive craftsmanship better than his own and take notes and ask if he could send some of his best techmarines to learn from the Imperial Fists.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:luuV4C6k Mon 23 May 2022 13:10:18 No.5278990 Report

Quoted By: >>5279020 >>5279039

>>5278366
The thought of the Blackstone Fortress appearing over an uninhabited water world, draining it to a dry husk, and flying around the void with an ocean sloshing around inside it is funny. But it is something we should have done if we mean to take the title of true Omnissiah not by psychic but science.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Mon 23 May 2022 13:34:59 No.5279020 Report

Quoted By:

>>5278990
And turns out that the planet wasn't actually uninhabited, and the post-apocalypse xenos manage to reach space and create an empire. Wanting to fix their homeworld to their past glory, they seek an uninhabited water world to drain of it's oceans.
This phenomenon is know as the Water Cycle.

Son of Nanomachine

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Mon 23 May 2022 13:48:53 No.5279039 Report

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>>5278990
It also doubles as an internal extreme weather and tsunami defense testing field.

With immediate tests scheduled every time the Blackstone Fortress has to make a sudden stop.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:VbhtckXE Mon 23 May 2022 14:21:46 No.5279069 Report

Quoted By: >>5279585

>>5278136
>+1 (as long as its the same as partner in crime)
>>5278468
>+1

These are good, we make our intentions and ideas on family clear and we end up working with Malcador just like we wanted. Family is more than just a genetic bond, its openess.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:HMbYThvR Mon 23 May 2022 15:01:16 No.5279125 Report

Quoted By: >>5279585

>+"Partner in crime"+
>+support interaction+ >>5278468

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/OBM3i0R Mon 23 May 2022 16:37:54 No.5279239 Report

Quoted By: >>5279585

>Well, we got a partner in crime
>>5278468

Supporting these.

Son of Nanomachine

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Mon 23 May 2022 16:45:15 No.5279247 Report

Quoted By: >>5279250

Just started listening to this audiobook. I have to say already 15 minutes in its excellent. The music, the ambience and the narrator are great.

In the first two minutes we see Malcador walking alone in the hallways of the palace, eschewing elevator trips and inner flight transport: "But, always, he made the journey on foot and alone. It was a ritual of sorts, and the Sigilite knew better than most that ritu𝐚ls were import𝐚nt".

I think we are going to really get along with Uncle

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Mon 23 May 2022 16:46:18 No.5279250 Report

Quoted By: >>5279273

>>5279247
Well screw you 4chan, I just wanted some bold text.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Mon 23 May 2022 17:17:37 No.5279273 Report

Quoted By: >>5279275

>>5279250
Only the QM can do special text in /qst/

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Mon 23 May 2022 17:18:12 No.5279275 Report

Quoted By: >>5279276

Some information. If Malcador is to be believed speaking to his dying friend, he is 6,718 years old. Supposedly the Age of Strife began in 25th millenium.

This means, potentially, he has lived something like 1000 years during the golden age and seen the age of strife, and may have been born at the height of the Federation, but isn't old enough to have been with the Emperor in like the 21st century or what have you. He would have seen the Federation, and the rebellion of the Men of Iron, and so on.

I don't see a situation where such information would be given to Talos IC, but its interesting to think how far back he goes and that he still prizes ancient relics from before his own time like paintings and curios.

Unfortunately, if that's to be believed, he sadly is not Merlin the Wizard. . .that would have been cool.

>>5279273
Makes sense.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Mon 23 May 2022 17:21:44 No.5279276 Report

Quoted By: >>5279284

>>5279275
It's because his title, Sigilite, actually means he is part of the Sigilite Order, and their mission is to preserve the culture and knowledge of humanity.
So he cares about relics because he is the last Sigilite, and he became a Sigilite because he cares about relics.

Son of Nanomachine

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Mon 23 May 2022 17:34:46 No.5279284 Report

Quoted By: >>5279288

>>5279276
I'm familiar with that. I'm pondering if we do manage to gain mastery over Technomancy and maybe jurry rig it with the Uncreator Gauntlet, we could impress him by recovering old relics once thought lost forever, reversing the effect of time to bring them back from dust and ruin.

After the burning of Prospero, Magnus was able to use warp magic to piece back together from the ashes a rare copy of Shakespeare.

Imagine if somehow we recovered the computer of the very magic prophet who is our namesake

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Mon 23 May 2022 17:38:03 No.5279288 Report

Quoted By: >>5279297 >>5279318 >>5279333

>>5279284
"What is this word NIGGERS the holy programmer yells every twenty seconds? It must be some sort of litany or mantra..." "They glow in the dark?" "What is an elephant?"

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Mon 23 May 2022 17:46:22 No.5279297 Report

Quoted By: >>5279318

>>5279288
Obviously it's a type of psychic xenos, as the Magus mentioned being watches by them, with this CIA being their leadership.
Thankfully he also has provided the means to defeat them, now we only need to find a STC for a car.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Mon 23 May 2022 18:02:31 No.5279318 Report

Quoted By: >>5279327

>>5279288
>>5279297
Perhaps what it will offer us is a defense code. A code so esoteric, so enigmatic and byzantine, so steeped in worship and praise of the Machine God that no one, not even the smartest Daemon Virus and a legion of Data-Jinn, could hope to crack.

For of all the potential enemies of Talos great work, it is not the magic of the Thousand Sons, or the massed legions of the Iron Warriors, or the lighting assaults of the Sons of Horus who are the greatest of threats.

The great threat to our secret works is clearly warned to us over and over by the ancient prophet: The C.I.A.

THE CULPRIT IS ALPHARIUS

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Mon 23 May 2022 18:14:04 No.5279327 Report

Quoted By:

>>5279318
DAMN IT THEY ARE AT IT AGAIN

Also the holy code can PREDICT THE FUTURE

Perturabo Appreciater

Perturabo Appreciater ID:g1rGs+J3 Mon 23 May 2022 18:18:24 No.5279333 Report

Quoted By:

>>5279288
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icb1M6dacCk

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Mon 23 May 2022 22:32:35 No.5279585 Report

Quoted By:

A limited Trial
>>5278136
>>5278141
>>5278148
>>5278152
>>5278158
>>5278181
>>5278468
>>5278500
>>5278592
>>5278632
>>5278929
>>5279069
>>5279125
>>5279239
>>5278475
>>5278572

Way too Sketchy
>>5278654

Partner in Crime
>>5278140
>>5278145
>>5278257

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Mon 23 May 2022 22:57:02 No.5279614 Report

Quoted By: >>5279617

>>5278127
Actually, who is in this picture? If we remove the edits it might actually be close to how TalOS currently/will be.

The Machine QM

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Mon 23 May 2022 22:58:04 No.5279617 Report

Quoted By: >>5279621

>>5279614
I guess its Kelbor Hal?

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Mon 23 May 2022 22:59:21 No.5279621 Report

Quoted By: >>5279624 >>5279678

>>5279617
Oh fuck, its the Fabrictor General of Xana Anacharis Scoria lol!!!

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Mon 23 May 2022 23:00:32 No.5279624 Report

Quoted By: >>5279678

>>5279621
Well, he would become it. If his face is alive right now its in some dark prison or as an Adept.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Mon 23 May 2022 23:37:53 No.5279678 Report

Quoted By: >>5279817

>>5279621
What a coincidence
>>5279624
Well, given that he was a Dominus 30 years before the heresy, and only then he was cast down and imprisoned, then it's more likely he is an adept or haven't been born yet.
Also he a Vodian Magister, so perhaps guving Xana the F.A.G. might change his fate, since he is going to have to uphold a different doctrine (if he even ends up following his canon footsteps)

The Machine QM

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Tue 24 May 2022 00:09:42 No.5279728 Report

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“I am sure you understand that I cannot give you all the secrets of the Mechanicum involving this matter.” TalOS declared as he made a movement of the hand towards Malcador, “Trust is something that must be made.”

“Is that so?” The Sigillite pondered to himself, “Even with the treaty between the Mechanicum and the Imperium you cannot trust a creator of yours?”

“An agreement that was made through trickery?”

The man before TalOS gave a subtle laugh as he heard that declaration, “Indeed that is how it can be seen. The Emperor, masquerading as their God’s Prophet, forces the Mechanicum into a position where it is forever bound to the Imperium. But you know that is not the case.”

The Primarch’s eyes sharpened as he heard those words, “What was omitted from my attention?”

“An embarrassment that I witnessed first hand.” The right hand of the Emperor placed a hand on his chest, “When the Emperor’s reign was still young and using his proto-Astartes, the Thunder Warriors, Mars sent a force to cow him. As I understand from reports and interrogations they were afraid he would deny them access to the tech marvels of Terra.”

TalOS could not help but feel lines were being drawn between the Mitu and the numerous humans. A simple aim to keep another group down as they themselves attempted to grow supremacy over the galaxy.

“We defeated them and sent their exhibition force back to Mars. When the Emperor reached for the Stars they were equals, but as I understand it most estimates had Mars losing after fifty years with the loss of manpower from that exhibition.”

“So my creator gave them a way out.” TalOS realized with a small amount of annoyance, “Mars, how lucky you were to be graced by one touched by the Machine God like him. Why tell me this?”

“You wish for trust, and in doing so we are to break down barriers.” Declared the Sigillite, “I, nor the Emperor, wish for bad blood to be between us. The Emperor hated having to take up the title of Omnissiah for he sees himself as no god. He is simply a man.”

“He is just a man, ultimately.” TalOS declared as they arrived at a balcony, “I apologies for the foolishness of Mars. They had the power but they did not try to unify Terra, only leach off it.”

“I do not think they would have been fully capable of its unification.” Malcador’s eyes seemed to flash a moment’s dead, “We barely achieved it ourselves.”

The Machine QM

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Tue 24 May 2022 00:11:28 No.5279731 Report

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The three of them looked out into the night where dozens of golden lamps lit up the city below. They could see the bustling and activities of those celebrating the arrival of TalOS and his fleet in their march towards the Mitu Collective. It was a glorious sight that TalOS would want to see repeated everywhere within the Federation of Lucius upon the complete destruction of the foul Xenos.

“Now then, who may you be madam?” Malcador said as he turned his attention towards UZ1, “As you have heard I am Malcador the Regent of Terra.”

The sudden attention caused UZ1 to widen her eyes and almost stammer for a moment. But she did not falter as she did so. Instead she quickly recovered within seconds and gave a bow.

The girl spoke but unlike the beautiful voice that her binaric held her flesh sounded hoarse and new, “I am… Adept UZ1 K00LT of Lucius and Apprentice of Arch Dominus TalOS DAV1S.” She worked on her rarely used voice for a moment to get used to the barely used organs, “It is my pleasure to meet you, Malcador of Terra.”

The man laughed as if a horrible joke just played out before him, “You took up an apprentice TalOS? Would she not be older than you?”

And like that the face of UZ1 went slightly red as the man gave another hearty laugh. TalOS pondered to himself for a moment before he spoke, “Thanks to your makings I have found myself advanced in all studies I devoted myself to. I found that teaching it to someone else was the next step.”

The Sigillite gave a soft laugh before taking a decision. A decision that TalOS felt was of heavier weight than what the man before him showed. After all, for the first time in their entire meeting, TalOS read something change within Malcador’s face. But the Sigillite instead shook his head and made his way to one of the nearby walls.

“Have you enjoyed the taste of Wine yet TalOS? As far as I understand, the Cult Mechanicus does not ban the drinking of it.”

“Such a rule is unnecessary when in the graces of the Machine God. His Priests have no reason to drown our sorrows or worries in drink.” TalOS fired off while extending a hand, “I have however gained an understanding of a purpose outside of reports by annoyed supervisors. I will take a glass and UZ1 shall take one if she is willing.”

“I… would.” She meekly said while reaching forward with a pair of hands like she was about to receive a legendary relic.

“Interesting.” The Sigillite said while pouring the glasses, “I have yet to share drinks with those of the Cult Mechanicus.”

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Tue 24 May 2022 00:12:29 No.5279732 Report

Quoted By: >>5279743 >>5279745 >>5279747 >>5279759 >>5279771 >>5279773 >>5279774 >>5279776 >>5279825 >>5279874 >>5279974 >>5280095 >>5280245 >>5280316 >>5280322 >>5280432

The drink was made from a vineyard local to here with grapes that were recently genetically modified. Such modifications were from a variety of different grapes by those who lived upon the moon. A Gene-Cult from what TalOS could tell from the sample he was drinking.

“Not to your liking?” Malcador picked up as they occupied three seats near the balcony window.

“It lacks history.” The Primarch announced forthright, “It hold a great flavor but its only developed around five years ago.”

“So the wine you had with Horus was better?”

TalOS thought to himself for a moment, “For one of my making, that you designed, I experience far more than just taste. My Mother developed a food to interact with my Omophagea in such a way that history does not matter. I see such an organ as another part of what I taste.”

“I think it's good.” UZ1 stammered out as she glanced at TalOS, “It is very sweet. I had tasted something like this on Dutonis.”

“Thank you.” The Regent answered as he placed the bottle between them all, “If we are to begin research we will need to start the gathering of those possessing the property you seek. That way we can study exactly what they are.”

“The Blanks can be found with a Psi-Scanner. UZ1, show him.”

The Apprentice nodded as she revealed a tube-like object that radiated a subtle purple glow. The Sigillite looked upon it with great interest as he got near the device. As his hands got close the Machine Spirit started declaring the proximity of the Psyker.

“Amazing.” The Sigillite said as he looked upon it, “What are its current capabilities?”

“Currently we are able to detect ambient Psychic Activity. It is my current method for determining if I am fighting a psychic species or not, and if there is one of them amongst us.”

“So it can be bound to ships. If we were to refine this technology to detect psykers and blanks within a twenty mile radius planet side we can use it to support our extraction efforts.” The Man before TalOS looked at him with a gleam, “With this technology I would be able to start research right away and gather us blanks with the Divisio Investigates. Where shall we do the research.”

>Here on Terra, where you can administer to it as fast as possible.
>On Lucius where TalOS can keep a close eye on it
>Xana, so it does not cause any problems.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:x+hl93ja Tue 24 May 2022 00:21:05 No.5279743 Report

Quoted By: >>5280833

>>5279732
>Here on Terra, where you can administer to it as fast as possible.

I think... we can trust the crazy uncle with this, and our creator.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TL/saIlR Tue 24 May 2022 00:22:33 No.5279745 Report

Quoted By: >>5280833

>>5279732
>Here on Terra, where you can administer to it as fast as possible.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Tue 24 May 2022 00:23:08 No.5279747 Report

Quoted By: >>5279756 >>5280833

>>5279732
>Xana, so it does not cause any problems.
Oh yeah, it's all coming together.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:EceMcwHx Tue 24 May 2022 00:28:05 No.5279756 Report

Quoted By:

>>5279747
Also I nearly forgot.
>if there is one of them amongst us.
I've been waiting to post this image for sometime now

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9p/p+gHP Tue 24 May 2022 00:30:32 No.5279759 Report

Quoted By: >>5280833

>>5279732
>On Lucius where TalOS can keep a close eye on it

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Tue 24 May 2022 00:43:01 No.5279771 Report

Quoted By: >>5280432 >>5280833

>>5279732
>>Xana, so it does not cause any problems.
This is the SINGLE most important decision we can make about the future of blank research.

This is it boys, we WILL avoid the mistake of OTL and creating a shadow in the warp on Terra. Or on Lucius because that is not ideal either. Even if we might end up making a different mistake but still

We absolutely need to laid the seeds for blank research to be on Xana and away from the astronomican.

Maybe we can give Malcador or Talos the inkling of an idea that hey perhaps doing this sort of research so close to a vital psychic beacon is not a good idea. And we also need to maintain frequent warp travel on Lucius too so having a shadow there isn't ideal either in the long run.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:8mKgPoHX Tue 24 May 2022 00:44:12 No.5279773 Report

Quoted By: >>5280833

>>5279732
>Xana, so it does not cause any problems.
As much I want to put it on Lucius the megastructure makes it too risky. Also why we took Xana in the first place. We can shove all the blanks we want there without causing problems and they will still somehow liven up the place instead.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:6FhbGcRV Tue 24 May 2022 00:46:59 No.5279774 Report

Quoted By: >>5280833

>>5279732
>Xana, so it does not cause any problems.
lmao no way are we going to turn back on the plan we've been dreaming for threads. Make Xana a planet for Pariahs!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Bi7L3jAg Tue 24 May 2022 00:48:35 No.5279776 Report

Quoted By: >>5280833

>>5279732
>Xana, so it does not cause any problems
It's the place that could use the technology, and would welcome it the most.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Yh0+cpPV Tue 24 May 2022 00:57:00 No.5279781 Report

Quoted By: >>5279808

@QM I'm not quite sure how our blackstone works. is it that it has to be physically against our cells? or is it just what we regard as us? such as our augmented arm. or is it just cause it's in close proximity like radiation?

Cause I think we should be using our eyes for this whole field trip. Tbh we maybe should give it to UZ1 to wear. Since we should guard her from the psyker.

Just caught up from the archive. Top notch yall.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Yh0+cpPV Tue 24 May 2022 01:05:49 No.5279787 Report

Quoted By:

>Xana, so it does not cause any problems

might as well do what was planned

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Tue 24 May 2022 01:30:19 No.5279808 Report

Quoted By: >>5279816

>>5279781
TalOS is paranoid about being jumped personally, which is the reason he wears it. Also, he does not trust his eyes as he's kinda like Mortarian(This was voted on). No it does not need to be up against you since it uses the Motive Force to close out the Warp. Proximity is the best.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Tue 24 May 2022 01:36:31 No.5279816 Report

Quoted By:

>>5279808
Now that we have achieved the path towards Technomancy, it is unlikely we will have a use for our eyes or that there is any non-warp based technology that will be beyond us (once we actually get Technomancy anyway). Even supposing there were a need for warp tech, I am sure Malcador and our Creator will more than suffice for our deficit as well as building connections with the Navigator Guilds and the Psykana Ordos.

Pity bio-dad interaction didn't go through, but you know, Malcador seems more than capable of reading us very well and the Emperor more so if he wants a son he should simply be able to ask. Nothing gets done without communication! Maybe there will be opportunity for research or connection one day. For now, it's good to have our Uncle.

I wager once we have definitively secured Technomancy, we may or may not decide or as a result bid our Psychic Tech Eyes goodbye. They served their purpose.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Tue 24 May 2022 01:36:48 No.5279817 Report

Quoted By:

>>5279678
he is probably someone's clone anyway, considering Magi's usual practices when it comes to apprentices

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Tue 24 May 2022 01:42:15 No.5279825 Report

Quoted By: >>5279861 >>5280833

>>5279732
>“So the wine you had with Horus was better?”
WHY DOES HE KNOWS SO MUCH UP TO THE SMALLEST DETAIL???????
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Malcadoooooooooooor

>Xana, so it does not cause any problems.
Please. Someoen tell the Regent how much of a bad idea gathering blanks in Terra is

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Tue 24 May 2022 02:07:14 No.5279861 Report

Quoted By: >>5279910

>>5279825
It's a direct statement. "I am in communication with Horus" "Horus spoke of your meeting to me."

Not a bad thing, simply a statement.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fR+yno8R Tue 24 May 2022 02:18:29 No.5279874 Report

Quoted By: >>5280833

>>5279732
>Xana, so it does not cause any problems.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Tue 24 May 2022 02:57:52 No.5279910 Report

Quoted By:

>>5279861
Damn Malcador... he glows!!! And not with psychic might. I say we run them over with our car. in minecraft

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:b0QvpbZs Tue 24 May 2022 03:03:03 No.5279917 Report

Quoted By: >>5280111 >>5280283

>Xana, so it does not cause any problems

Although I'm also wondering if we can use Xana for a different purpose. Such as Psykerism research.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Tue 24 May 2022 03:49:58 No.5279974 Report

Quoted By: >>5280833

>>5279732
>Xana, so it does not cause any problems.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UVXQSzUT Tue 24 May 2022 05:51:20 No.5280095 Report

Quoted By: >>5280833

>>5279732
>Xana, so it does not cause any problems
We need to make Xana to a semi-fortress world too

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UVXQSzUT Tue 24 May 2022 06:01:55 No.5280111 Report

Quoted By: >>5280169

>>5279917
Not a smart idea to make a daemon touched world a base for psychic study

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:b0QvpbZs Tue 24 May 2022 07:15:30 No.5280169 Report

Quoted By: >>5280378

>>5280111
On the contrary. It makes it perfect. Especially since we have tech to counter the risk.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ntozOKsv Tue 24 May 2022 09:47:01 No.5280245 Report

Quoted By: >>5280833

>>5279732
>>Xana, so it does not cause any problems.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Tue 24 May 2022 11:12:30 No.5280283 Report

Quoted By:

>>5279917
If we ever have need of a positive psyker research, we can always just coordinate with Magnus.

But in general Magnus usually solves any problems that require a wizard anyway.

More the so, our best bet with positive psychic research is simply to get in the good graces of our Navigators and Astropaths. Particularly since they are an option to send our psychic sons to other than blamming them or taking away their powers. Efficiency in all things.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:5E/ZJPgJ Tue 24 May 2022 12:31:33 No.5280316 Report

Quoted By: >>5280381 >>5280833

>>5279732
>Xana, so it does not cause any problems.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Tue 24 May 2022 12:42:30 No.5280322 Report

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>>5279732
lol I didn't realize it then but looking at QM's pic and putting two and two together, guys we're going to have a hand in designing the Black Ships! Or at least making them better.

That is really cool. It fits that Talos, the anti-psyker Primarch, would want to have helped in that.

I also realize QM has specifically not shown the Sisters of Silence or referenced them, even by the Emperors side, something we surely would have seen if they were active now.

Perhaps we are at the point of time prior to the Cataclysm of Pentacanaes and the Plague of Madness, and thus before the creation of the Sisters of Silence. This could mean the feral world 9-13 where the "Daughters of the Crow" has not yet been found either. Maybe an opportunity for Talos to take part in that event too.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Tue 24 May 2022 14:27:01 No.5280378 Report

Quoted By: >>5280381 >>5280440

>>5280169
your statement has no basis. Why would a world that was invaded BY THE LORD OF SHADOWS be an apt place to do warp shenanigans

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Anonymous ID:O+gtUZyV Tue 24 May 2022 14:32:08 No.5280381 Report

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>>5280378
Tha reality barrier is thin, making it easier to conduct warp experiments, when the veil is thinner and thusly takes less energy and effort to engage in the experiments.

Still
>Support >>5280316

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Anonymous ID:ZwyROSk6 Tue 24 May 2022 15:17:15 No.5280432 Report

Quoted By: >>5280440 >>5280833

>>5279732
>Here on Terra, where you can administer to it as fast as possible.
>>5279771
wouldnt this just blank out terra and the astropaths could navigate by using the blank spot as a reference?

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Tue 24 May 2022 15:24:09 No.5280440 Report

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>>5280432
No, NO. That is the exact opposite of what Astropaths need they NEED the astronomican as a beacon. A blank spot amdist a sea of madness provides nothing

In Canon the whole reason blank research was forbidden by writ of the Emperor was the numerous complains of . . .EVEREYBODY that the astronomican was being blocked. The navigators and astropaths. And then because they couldn't guide the ships, the Imperial Auxilia, the Rogue Trader houses, The Mechanicum, virtually the entire imperiums shipping industry was at risk of falling into the age of strife all over again.

>>5280378
We are choosing a place to start gathering blanks to do blank research. Xana was terrified by the Daemon, if we make it a place to gather blanks then they have even more comfort in knowing it shan't be coming back.

>With this technology I would be able to start research right away and gather us blanks with the Divisio Investigates

>>gather us blanks with the Divisio Investigates

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Tue 24 May 2022 15:28:50 No.5280447 Report

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https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Blank_(Psychic)

>As large groups of Pariahs were brought to Terra, they began to cast a shadow in the Warp, blocking out the Astronomican, the vital psychic beacon used to guide starships to the far reaches of the Imperium. Other branches within the Imperium of Man, especially those that relied upon the abilities of psykers, were horrified by the existence of Pariahs.

>Several members of the Council of Terra sought to have Pariahs outlawed outright like other dangerous mutants -- tasking the Sisters of Silence with the ruthless extermination of any more Blanks that were found just as they eliminated Renegade psykers who presented a threat to Humanity. A number of members of the Council of Terra, including the Paternal Envoy of the Navis Nobilite, were pushing the Emperor of Mankind to issue an official decree to rid the Imperium of the "anti-psyker" mutants that threatened their Adeptas' very existence.

>This was unfortunate, for the Officio Assassinorum had been working in secret with the Magos Biologis and Genetors of the Mechanicum on the order of Malcador the Sigillite, the Regent of Terra and the founder of the Officio as the first Grand Master of Assassins, to see if it was possible to harness the Blanks' strange abilities and use them to kill psykers. Their work was almost complete; many years had been spent developing specialist wargear and training techniques, all of which was about to be ruined by a zealous political witch-hunt.

>Fortunately, the Emperor never had to issue an official decree, for at Malcador the Sigillite's behest, the Mechanicum announced that it was ending the Pariah Project, making a great show of closing down its laboratories and executing many of the "specimens" it had tested there.

This is the big mistake we can avoid or continue here, and by the Machine God I hope nobody actually wants to repeat this as it went down in OTL.

I'm sure we'll pay for it in some other horrible way by shifting the blank collection process to Xana or turning it into a Pariah Zone field, but at least we would keep our promise to Vera and Trig about making a world where their kind are not proscribed but seen as useful.

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Machine QM ID:PnA+2c66 Tue 24 May 2022 15:56:21 No.5280486 Report

Quoted By: >>5280505 >>5280520

>>5280447
But time. You guys will get your research done in record time if headed by Malcador.

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Anonymous ID:4/RSjcr4 Tue 24 May 2022 16:05:17 No.5280505 Report

Quoted By: >>5280520

>>5280486
If the research gets cancelled before it finishes, it doean't matter if it went fast.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Tue 24 May 2022 16:31:18 No.5280520 Report

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>>5280486
I wish we could formally invite Malcador to Xana or at least maybe have him travel to and fro doing checkups and oversight, understandably he probably has a great many duties on Terra. He did sometimes leave Terra such as establishing the Grey Knights on Titan and proclaiming the council of Nikea.

Still as >>5280505 points out getting it done fast is pointless if it goes down in OTL and the Imperium throws a hissyfit.

Imagine if Blanks got just as much tech support as Sanctioned Psykers did in canon.
I still hope to see something akin to Mechanicus Daemonbusters. Using technology to defeat magic is awesome

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Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Tue 24 May 2022 19:25:52 No.5280682 Report

Quoted By: >>5280760

>>5280520
Technically with mal and tal0s on earth we can speed rush blanks and when the program gets shut down just secretly move it to xana.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Tue 24 May 2022 21:07:55 No.5280760 Report

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>>5280682
If we could guarantee that goes off without a hitch, its theoretically possible. But that's a very long logistical route with plenty of even more room for sabotage down the line.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Tue 24 May 2022 22:00:30 No.5280833 Report

Quoted By: >>5280886

Terra
>>5279743
>>5279745
>>5280432

Xana
>>5279747
>>5279771
>>5279773
>>5279774
>>5279776
>>5279825
>>5279874
>>5279974
>>5280095
>>5280245
>>5280316

Lucius
>>5279759

To Xana

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:4/RSjcr4 Tue 24 May 2022 22:46:57 No.5280886 Report

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>>5280833
Xana's name will always make me laugh.
It's means pussy where I'm from, and it has both meanings too./spoiler]

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Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Wed 25 May 2022 00:03:56 No.5280969 Report

Quoted By: >>5281197

>>5280447
>or turning it into a Pariah Zone field
Not entirely sure this would be a negative outcome, a fuckoff huge anti-psyker field centered around our shady ops research facility seems to have its upsides.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Wed 25 May 2022 02:34:07 No.5281197 Report

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>>5280969
Indeed, it would be key to its defense. Extending the Mandeville Point outward to a much larger area forcing incoming fleets to drop out of warp far away, and thus giving ample range and time for planetary defense and monitor fleets to both wreack havoc and attempt to send for reinforcements by other means (Such as a fleet escaping to the opposite side of the mandeville point and warping out or sending a message).

When the effect becomes strong such as if we ever excavate and install some Pylons there for study, those who are not pariahs on Xana will gain good augments to help them deal with dulling effects of the zone, such as increased fatigue, suppression of emotions, having to manually breathe, food and color being bland and so forth. This too would form part of its defense, for where the invading human or space marine would find their courage dulled, their zeal suppressed, and the mere act of living a battle of attrition, the blessed Techpriest has dispensed with such paultry biological concerns.

For the Techpriest has lungs of steel and arms of metal, he needs not hunger or taste for the nutrition dispenser to sustain himself, he hath already grown accsustom to vaulting away his emotions and relying not on flimsy determination of the moment but upon the cold, unflinching program of the machine and the orders relayed electronically in his head to follow. Our Skitarii and Acillians are the best fit for surviving and even thriving in a Pariah Zone, for they have already learned how to live and function without emotion and find purpose and meaning in being as the machine. Even the blessed servitors are an example to follow, for they need not the petty will to live as mortal guardsmen do to function well and to fight in service of the Machine God. The internal cogitators within their skull guide their hand and their function.

A Pariah Zone is the 2nds greatest secret tool of battlefield advantage.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Wed 25 May 2022 03:29:50 No.5281276 Report

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TalOS simply grew a grin as he heard those words, “There is a planet that desperately needs the presence of the blanks and have declared themselves my own. The Planet of Xana.”

The Psyker before TalOS had his brow raised as he heard that name, “Is it now?”

TalOS gave the man a nod, “They have fought the forces of the Warp before and the veil is thin there. It is a weak point in reality that I want closed. The people there are willing so we just need to give them the tools to secure it.”

“It is quite the way away, the results of our research will likely take Decades before we can give you the soul based augmentation.”

“I do so because I want to make sure our project is secure and that the people of Xana are safe. That, and that I wonder what might happen if such a large amount of Blanks come near the Astronomicon.” TalOS took a sip of the wine as he allowed his thoughts to settle, “Lucius does not bask in the light of the Astronomicon due to the presence of the Blackstone Fortress I have assigned there. I… saw that the main reason Horus arrived on Lucius was because we blotted out the Astronomicon.”

“Interesting… Very interesting…” The man before TalOS seemed enamored by the statement TalOS gave him, “You were facing Orks and another Psychic species. What effects did this Shadow have?”

“It disabled a majority of their functions and made it drastically harder for them to fight.” TalOS affirmed as he sudden wished he could share a parcel of technology with the man, “There is only so much I can give you, but ultimately it disabled most psychic activity within our enemies.”

The man nodded more and more as he heard that statement, “You see, TalOS, myself and the Emperor have seen issues fighting psykers. We tried to fight Psykers with Psykers and our corps of Psykers are still suffering from that attempt to this day. We need a weapon to use against those who employ the Warp.”

“A Legion of Blanks?” TalOS asked as he rationalized those words, “Possible. On Lucius I have two Blank Children that I have adopted and are growing up. They are equivalent to humans in the standard of Physics but I am sure non-Primarch gene therapy and augmentation could make them closer to Transhuman.”

“That would be an ultimate test of their kind. Where there are users of the Warp chant, we send them to silence them.”

“That would be a dream.” TalOS admitted as he finished his glass.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Wed 25 May 2022 03:30:51 No.5281278 Report

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The Primarch reached over and grabbed the bottle of wine, noticing how it went to half full as he filled up his glass. They were not attacking the bottle as fast as TalOS thought they would. Looking towards UZ1 the girl only had two sips as her entire attention was drawn into the conversation between himself and the Regent.

TalOS couldn’t blame her. The Primarch realized he had a breakthrough of some kind.

“TalOS, how did you see that?” The Sigillite brought up with a hint of suspicion in his voice, “With the nullification around you the witch-sight you possess is suppressed.”

Even without his psychic powers that TalOS was sure the man would use upon him Malcador was able to catch a moment’s detail. The Primarch did not really know why he allowed such a slip to occur. Maybe… it was out of respect for the man or maybe a simple mistake. Or maybe something in the back of his mind told him to trust his creator.

The Primarch knew he could not lie to the man and trust was a two way street, “I shall give you an explanation if you give me one on the fate of those Psykers that you mentioned.”

The man grew a slim smile as he began, “They are the Fifteenth Legion. A Legion where eighty five out of a hundred are Psykers.”

TalOS felt a moment’s warriness as he looked at the man before him, “You made an entire branch of Astartes Psyker based?”

“Indeed. You see we were trying to find solutions to bring against the Warp and from personal experience the Warp is most affected by itself. Logically we would employ a force that we know for certain can face them on equal footing. These days though they have proven themselves in need of a guide lest the Warp overtakes them.”

“You speak of one of my brothers.” TalOS caught the meaning of those words without even a moment’s trouble.

“Primarch Fifteen has proven itself capable of thought even before being fully formed. Simple Telepathic communication at such a short range was natural to him. If he still speaks to the Emperor I do not know, for he seems to keep it a Private matter.”

“Secrecy among Psykers is not something I can take in good faith.”

A tinge of wonder went over the eyes of the Sigillite as he took in those words, “Then we shall finish the trade. How have you seen the Warp?”

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Wed 25 May 2022 03:31:54 No.5281279 Report

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TalOS took in a moment's breath as he made sure his words were true, “As you have said I’ve faced down two species of psykers. Each of them I have consumed one of their psychic members to try and learn their secrets. To that objective I have succeeded.”

Malcador gave a steady nod as he heard those words, “But they were not ones who could see into the Warp.”

TalOS gave a sincere nod to those words, “To confirm if I could trust their kind I consumed fifteen milliliters of blood from Navigator Lawrence. Through his eyes I have seen the Warp through unbridled or rose tinted eyes.”

Those words caused the Regent of Terra’s eyes to widen as if shocked by a prod. Soon though they began to settle and what TalOS recognized as comprehension began to cross across his face. He gave a steady nod as he finished whatever thoughts he had.

“What would be the most prime feature of the Warp, to you?” The Sigillite finally asked.

“The Screams.” TalOS declared as he remembered a memory that even under the influence of Blackstone brought him pain, “These days I do not only wear the Blackstone to keep myself safe. It is to keep them silent.”

Upon those words the middle aged man rose again and reached under a nearby stand. To TalOS’s surprise the man brought over what was a small barrel that had brazen upon it the sigil of a wolf.

“In case your brother Leman was ever to visit me I made sure to always keep a stash of his mead on hand. I did not expect this to be a time I would break it out but life is full of those things.” The man pulled a cork and poured another glass to the rim, “Take it. I’d die if I had even a sip.”

TalOS did as he was told and took a sip. His mind was quickly flooded with the genius amounts of genetic engineering and selection that it took to make this possible. What was most impressive about the drink was the sheer laughter of his brother as he finally figured out the solution to his problem of never getting drunk. That, and TalOS actually felt his body displace itself for a moment.

“Leman Russ. He is quite the man to put his genius towards something that seemed needless. But he did so not just for himself, but so that he can join his battle brothers in their merry.” TalOS realized as he finished processing the drink.

“For myself whenever they get too bothersome I take out some wine for myself.” The Sigillite admitted as he placed a hand on TalOS’s shoulder, “Such is a burden that we tried to prevent for each of you. It would only do undue harm to your minds.”

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Wed 25 May 2022 03:32:55 No.5281281 Report

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TalOS simply gave a nod as he heard those words, “I assumed that to be the case. From the few I found standard human psykers tend to be more insane and must be restrained inside Stasis Tubes. It was wise to make it so we did not develop with such a burden upon even the greatest of wills.”

“It does. It does.” Admitted the Sigillite as what TalOS recognized was a great amount of age shown upon his body, “Do not spread to your brothers such knowledge. They are to be military leaders, not those who fight for the soul of man.”

“That is the ultimate aim. Rescue the humans of the universe, and then rescue their souls.” TalOS realized as many pieces of an unknown puzzle came together.

Malcador gave a soft laugh as he heard those words, “In a way of speaking you are correct.”

TalOS processed his mind for another moment before another revelation came, “My sons, are they capable of being psykers?”

“They are.” Admitted the Sigillite, “It is at a far lesser rate than the Fifteenth but all legions have demonstrated some form of Psyker. I am even sure you Acillians have psykers among their ranks, but they simply have yet to realize, are ignoring, or hiding it.”

“Do they possess the same dampeners as the genetic template of Primarchs?”

“You are correct. We knew that if they did develop then we would want to make sure they did not develop a mania. An engineered perspective of the Warp if you will.”

“A reasonable one.” TalOS declared as he processed the information, “It would be troublesome to put down one of my sons if they could not handle psychic phenomena. A waste of both a life and resources.”

“Then what will you do?” The Sigillite sat back down as he looked upon TalOS, “Your own blood creates something you do not trust. Keep them down to make sure they do not develop or embrace them as the weapons they are.”

>Deny their chance. It would be best to simply relegate them off the battlefield.
>Send them to the Legio Divinitatus for training.
>TalOS will personally teach them what he wants them to know.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Wed 25 May 2022 03:35:12 No.5281284 Report

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>>5281281
I meant Divisio Divinitatus. Also I'm pretty sure Malcador runs all that.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Wed 25 May 2022 04:04:24 No.5281314 Report

Quoted By: >>5281426 >>5281699 >>5281710

"Lucius does not bask in the light of the Astronomicon due to the presence of the Blackstone Fortress"
Mercifully it seems the fortress has not reached a critical threshold where warp travel has become inhibitive.
Might also have something to do with our better short range emergency drives and previously not being reliant upon the Astronomican.

"“Interesting… Very interesting…”"
Malcador won't ever know but if this works we've saved the Pariah Project from a heap of headache and then some.

"“Do not spread to your brothers such knowledge. They are to be military leaders, not those who fight for the soul of man.”"
Now I wonder whether Maldacor is being pragmatic/diplomatic in allowing Talos his beliefs in the soul while still firmly believing in the Emperor's Imperial Truth, or if he is genuinely saying this at face value.

Ah well, all our brothers will presume we are talking about Daemon *Viruses* or in the purview of the Mechanicum's faith, not the actual warp gods themselves so that should work as a good compromise.

This was a very well written update QM and full of such juicy info kudos.

>>5281284
Would the Divisio Divinitatus also potentially allow us to gain favor and connections with other Imperial psychic groups like Ordo Psykana, Astropaths, Navigators etc?

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Anonymous ID:/OBM3i0R Wed 25 May 2022 04:06:25 No.5281316 Report

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>Send them to the Legio Divinitatus for training.

Our sons deserve to become their own people.
Also, we'll need some of those since we ourselves will completely shy away from the warp.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Wed 25 May 2022 04:08:50 No.5281320 Report

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>>5281281
>>Send them to the Legio Divinitatus for training.
Tbh even if this doesn't get us favor with the noble psychic houses or the Martian research psykers, this is still the best option.

Talos does not want Psykers in his legion, but he does not throw away his sons. To give them directly to the regent of the Emperor, what higher honor is there for them?

And when Nikea happens, our hands are clean. We did not keep our Psykers. We gave them unto the direct service of Malcador and the Emperor.

Maybe they'll just end up as librarians anyway rather than guardians, but there is no one else we can trust more than the Creator and his fellow Co-Creator.

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Anonymous ID:x+hl93ja Wed 25 May 2022 04:45:03 No.5281363 Report

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>>5281281
>Send them to the Legio Divinitatus for training.

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Anonymous ID:A7p6E4ts Wed 25 May 2022 04:47:36 No.5281368 Report

Quoted By: >>5281383

I'm having a hard time finding out exactly what the investigatus is.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Wed 25 May 2022 04:47:59 No.5281369 Report

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In regards to "don't tell your brothers on the true nature of the warp" it goes without saying this should also mean the public at large. I believe we already have a solution and we might not even have to do anything differently.

#1 The Treaty of Mars grants the Cult Mechanicus its own religious practices unmolested
#2 Mars already propagates the existence of demon(viruses) and scrapcode, infested by warp presences
#3 That the warp does have hostile life, whatever name (warp xenos, "demons", tulpas, etc.) is a known fact of gellar field failure. Ask any astropath, navigator, librarian or techpriest that maintains the gellar field and they all vouch that there are angry monsters that want to get into the ship, corrupt its machine spirits, and kill everyone aboard. Magnus a staunch believer in the Imperial Truth called them "sentient storms" or flecks of emotionally charged psychic energy rather than entertaining the superstitious element in the Khan novel. (I mean, from a metaphysical standpoint that is what Chaos and Demons are so he's not wrong even if it's missing the big theological picture. But we want to hide the big picture).
#4 It is not a stretch to say that demoncode can also affect biological minds. Is not the human mind the finest biological computer as gifted by the Machine God? Do not men also fall victim to biological viruses? The warp can alter many things.
#5 Admech already has religious rites against evils lurking in the warp, mechanical or otherwise, to protect the spirits of machine and man. We already pray, light incense, prepare holy oils, make sermons, speak mantras, and so on. Now we can add actual blank tech on top of it too
#5 The Cult Mechanicus is not in the business of mass proselytization. They recruit the brightest minds, while the uneducated masses need only know enough of the machine spirit as to take good maintenance of their vehicles and work stations. We have unspoken agreement with the iterators, as per treaty of Mars.

Basically, we already have an excuse to make sermons about warp demon(viruses) to our followers, while outsiders or our Brothers will just shrug and assume we're just repeating the same mumbo-jumbo from the Admech books. Ironically the only one who might actually see past this doublespeak is Lorgar. And the best part is, nobody is still going to believe Lorgar as always. except Horus but that comes later after he gets stabbed

I'd call such an unspoken policy "Render unto the Emperor what is the Emperors. Render unto the Machine God what is the Machine God's."

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Anonymous ID:8mKgPoHX Wed 25 May 2022 04:51:06 No.5281372 Report

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>>5281281
>Send them to the Legio Divinitatus for training.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Wed 25 May 2022 05:02:43 No.5281383 Report

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>>5281368
Well, in canon the Departmento Investigates was the canon 30k name for the group that would become the Sisters of Silence. "Divisio Divinitatus" isn't a name I can find from canon, but it could be the prototype name of or a branch of the Astra Telepathica, who gather psykers for sanctioned use in the imperial army or induction into the astropaths. This would be the best choice as having Techmarine/Guardians for astropaths and navigators will be very useful to give us influence. And a card we can play during the great heresy when we have our sons with guns and bombs next to the people who keep the ships sailing the void and communication over galactic distances.

I just hope Malcador has a better plan than just rebranding all of them as librarians, or worse dole them out to our brothers, or worst of all, sending them all to become techmarines for the 15th.

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Anonymous ID:A7p6E4ts Wed 25 May 2022 05:09:48 No.5281392 Report

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>>5281281
>Send them to the Legio Divinitatus for training
I would like our psychic sons to view this as a dire mission though, a responsibility of their ability and not a punishment.

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Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Wed 25 May 2022 05:26:41 No.5281407 Report

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>>5281281
>Ask him what would happen to our sons. Will they be sent to the other legions after their training. Would I still have the right to recall or reclaim them. Or could the make it a extended service say a century or two (like the death watch)

If tal0s loses the right to them. Maybe we can make them our version of the exorcists chapter.
>TalOS will personally teach them what he wants them to know.

And if he still has rights to them.
>Send them to the Legio Divinitatus for training.

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Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Wed 25 May 2022 05:27:18 No.5281408 Report

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>>5281392
>this
Its in no way their fault that they developed these abilities, so they have to know they aren't punished.
They should understand that it's both a mission of great importance and to keep them safe and healthy. If what we do to ourselves becomes feasible they couldn't stay sane and at our side and we chose the least bad option.

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Anonymous ID:UVXQSzUT Wed 25 May 2022 05:39:50 No.5281426 Report

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>>5281314
>Send them to Divisio Divinitatus for training.
We need to frame it as an important task rather than punishment tho, we need to be a good father and keep contact too

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Wed 25 May 2022 05:41:36 No.5281431 Report

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>>5281408
>>5281392
"Of all my sons, you are my most irreplaceable . For you do the things not even I could do."

They also will hopefully be of help to Malcadors psychic webway, given I doubt we could ever convince the Emperor to switch to dolmen gates.

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Reminds me of the conversation between the Emperor and the Lion

>'You were not the first of my sons to reclaim a place at my side, but your tally of victories is second to no other. Even Horus looks upon them with envy.'

>'Horus inspires,' said the Lion. 'Magnus enlightens. Lorgar illuminates. Roboute raises an Imperium in miniature that celebrates his name and yours. I have left as many worlds behind me as any two of my brothers, but I fear that darkness and ash will be the legacy I leave to your Imperium.'

>The Emperor considered long, as He often did, before giving an answer. 'In the lime of the Aegypta there was an empress named Hatshepsut. By all accounts of her that survive she was an equitable and proficient ruler, by the standards of her time [...] 'And yet those who came after her did all within their power to ensure that she would have no legacy'

>'Why, if her reign was so equitable?'

>'Because those who succeeded her desired it'

>‘And yet history still remembers this empress.'

>‘The Emperor Thutmose the Third did not have his Dark Angels.'

It is a very important task, like being requested by the Deathwatch. Also I hope our legacy is also an "Imperium in Miniature", among other things.

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Anonymous ID:UVXQSzUT Wed 25 May 2022 06:05:58 No.5281460 Report

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>>5281431
Aren't Dolmen gates just hacked webway portals anyways? As far as I know from lore they're just the anti-necron procedures of webway portals turned off

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Wed 25 May 2022 06:22:51 No.5281476 Report

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>>5281460
That is so, they are basically a C'tan jurry rig, but one that doesn't require psykers like the Eldars psychic webway.

The necrons evidently use 3 FTL sources, dolmen gates, inertialess drive and if the Wiki is to be believed phase teleportation is used for extreme distances.

I do not know how effective the third option is but we know that hyper distance teleportation by technological means is feasible by two examples:
-The Pharos being able to teleport beings or entities as powerful as the C'tan anywhere in the universe
-Vulkan's teleporter beacon able to transport him "halfway" across the galaxy, if not the most accurate thing given he appeared on the orbit of Mccragge

I theorize that he had meant to teleport onto a space station which was blown up, or Chaos fucked with Vulkans teleporter and hoped to burn him to a crisp in the atmosphere. They succeeded, and also they failed.

It seems to me inertialess drives are the necrons preferred transport. One which I pray we are so fortunate to see as a major breakthrough during the HH when we are able to travel regardless of the warp storms.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Wed 25 May 2022 07:13:07 No.5281507 Report

Quoted By: >>5281520

>>5281460
Isn't the main problem about the dolmen gates that the Eldar or the web way itself burn out the gates/passages when the necron use them?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UVXQSzUT Wed 25 May 2022 07:36:12 No.5281520 Report

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>>5281507
Dolmen gates bypasses those security measures as far as I know, it won't have that effect

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fR+yno8R Wed 25 May 2022 07:52:39 No.5281530 Report

Quoted By: >>5282175

>>5281281
>Send them to the Legio Divinitatus for training.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:NeBAwNH1 Wed 25 May 2022 10:12:11 No.5281613 Report

Quoted By: >>5282175

>>5281281
>Send them to the Legio Divinitatus for training.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Wed 25 May 2022 12:30:08 No.5281699 Report

Quoted By: >>5281744

>>5281314
Its the Ordo Psykana. My brain started falling asleep at that point last night and I just wanted to publish.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Wed 25 May 2022 12:38:32 No.5281705 Report

Quoted By: >>5281727 >>5281732 >>5281746

You know, since everyone seems up for making what is essentially a Space Marine Chapter devoted to the care of the Ordo Psykana, what should their new title be? Abyss Watchers?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:GJDF0UKj Wed 25 May 2022 12:44:28 No.5281710 Report

Quoted By: >>5281714

>>5281281
>Send them to the Legio Divinitatus for training.
We let them keep their identity as warriors of the 2nd Legion.
>>5281314
I think it doesn't matter whether Malcador personally believe all the imperial truth, he knows that some of it a lie like that gods don't exist. This conversation is a dangerous one but it is a good thing Malcador brought it up private and ask us not to tell our Brothers to look into warp which is something Talos will gladly spread. Looking at the warp sucks anyway, just ask Perturabo and Curze. Only Magnus did it because as a psyker he probably learned to tune it out form birth. This is why he didn't see the ruinous powers like Lorgar did who embraced the screams as a "song" and heed the whispers that even Magnus says to ignore.
>>5281369
A sound doctrine, but it just leads me to think even if we ignore Lorgar and not be a dick to him, he is going to be very salty and grudge us. The Emperor forbids his religion, but not ours. His Heralds of Truth couldn't be any more opposite to his wishes and we are going to basically religiously indoctrinate as many of our warriors into Mars as we can.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Wed 25 May 2022 12:48:48 No.5281714 Report

Quoted By: >>5281717 >>5281718 >>5281719

>>5281710
Remember it wont just be members of the Second Legion but a few Acillians (Though Rare). I just see it as a title compared to the Steel Wardens who protect Tech Priests.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:hdaVmYMK Wed 25 May 2022 12:49:00 No.5281715 Report

Quoted By: >>5281718 >>5282175

>>5281281
For now
>Send them to the Legio Divinitatus for training.

Maybe once we get the process to turn us into a blank to work we can do the same to them

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Wed 25 May 2022 12:59:50 No.5281717 Report

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>>5281714
How about star gazers.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:GJDF0UKj Wed 25 May 2022 13:00:42 No.5281718 Report

Quoted By: >>5281775

>>5281714
I guess I Acillians as part of or destined to become the 2nd Legion. We just haven't achieved proper cultural and tactical integration yet or met our other sons in full. Or decided if we want to keep the name Acillians or something else.
>>5281715
That is the main reason we came here, I am sure Talos is going to ask about it.
It should be possible to be a blank even if we are the genestock of the most psychic human in history. We might end up becoming a very powerful type of Sensei in essence, a genetic child of the Emperor but one whose psychic power has actually gone in reverse to the point that other psykers do not see or are bothered by them.
If we can achieve a sensei effect that would be very useful to being able to be in the presence of other psykers like Magnus, perhaps only creating a palpable null presence when we concentrate it. Exactly like using and controlling psyker powers but on the negative scale.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Wed 25 May 2022 13:02:35 No.5281719 Report

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>>5281714
Or mind walkers
Soul treaders

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UVXQSzUT Wed 25 May 2022 13:22:09 No.5281727 Report

Quoted By: >>5281729

>>5281705
Grey Knights

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Wed 25 May 2022 13:29:08 No.5281729 Report

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>>5281727
"Emperor help us the grey knights are here!"

"Which ones?"

"My point exactly."

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Wed 25 May 2022 13:45:01 No.5281732 Report

Quoted By: >>5281739 >>5281745 >>5281759 >>5281769 >>5281784

>>5281705
A few name ideas.

Going with the greek motif
"Laterns of Charon" - For they are like unto the guardians of the boatman, and aid both navigator, ship and crew safely over the stygian, though the shades of the damn gather round, though the beast of Cereberus grows or the winds of limbo roar, they shine the path and light the way.
https://youtu.be/jGKNaIXtBZQ
Could also go with Guardians of Charon, Companions of Charon, etc.

The other would be the "Apostles of Aegon", from the ancient Terran epic or perhaps historical tale of a brave group of four (or five) ancient psykana Magi who fought against a plague of madness and warp anomalies in pre-historic Merica, even repelling an evil god and a powerful wizard. I like this one because by calling themselves the followers of of an ancient Magi, they more remember their bonds with the Mechanicus (and totally not because of personal bias)

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UVXQSzUT Wed 25 May 2022 14:00:11 No.5281739 Report

Quoted By:

>>5281732
Nice taste in music.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:4/RSjcr4 Wed 25 May 2022 14:03:48 No.5281742 Report

Quoted By: >>5282175

>>5281281
>Send them to the Legio Divinitatus for training.
What is this? Is this the precurssor/30k version of the Scholastia Psykana?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:4/RSjcr4 Wed 25 May 2022 14:06:15 No.5281744 Report

Quoted By:

>>5281699
Oh nevermind, you already answered.
Yeah, this is what I wanted.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Wed 25 May 2022 14:08:53 No.5281745 Report

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>>5281732
I like the sound of the apostles, fighting the warp and defending those the imperium needs to thrive fits to that name imo.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:4/RSjcr4 Wed 25 May 2022 14:11:02 No.5281746 Report

Quoted By: >>5281759 >>5281770

>>5281705
I would like something based on the terms Hierophant, Hermetic or Esoteric.
I think it would fit together with the Acillia name.

Son of Nanomachine

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Wed 25 May 2022 14:28:50 No.5281759 Report

Quoted By: >>5281762 >>5281767 >>5281792 >>5281799

>>5281732
Just realized "Apostles of St. Aegon" sounds a lot more religious and fitting for Admech.

However thinking about it now I kind of want to also save that name for our own Null based branch of anti-warp soldiers who use technology and pariah fields to fight the warp. Because we are going to develop a Pariah branch anyway.

>>5281746
I'm liking the word Hermetic, because the actual Hermit card does look like Charon. And maybe we might even get our sons to be on the cover of the Emperors Tarot cards. I wonder if they use them in this day and age, explaining it as a psychic connection to the mind of the living Emperor rather than divine.

How about the "Chaeronic Hermitage"? They are a separate order, bereft of their brothers at large, but as a Hermitage they are still monks and priests of the great Machine God and still serve his purpose.

Intersetingly the word for Hermit in Italian is Eremo. I had an idea that the witchfire that psykers like Malcador have his staff could be thought of as "St. Eremo's Fire."

Son of Nanomachine

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Wed 25 May 2022 14:30:49 No.5281762 Report

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>>5281759
Damn, didn't mean to spoiler that image.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Wed 25 May 2022 14:36:58 No.5281767 Report

Quoted By: >>5281770

>>5281759
Charon's Order
Aegons Hermits

Or you could switch the names of course

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Wed 25 May 2022 14:41:06 No.5281769 Report

Quoted By:

>>5281732
woah, amazing! I love it. Lanterns of Charon!! And since they will also be psychic! My only qualm is that I'd rather name them Charon's Lanterns

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Wed 25 May 2022 14:43:36 No.5281770 Report

Quoted By: >>5281773 >>5281799

>>5281746
Going off this
"Hermits of Chaeron" - Guardians and seekers of those whose ships sail the tides of death

"Cardinal Hierophants"/"Red Hierophants" - "To break with Ritual is to Break with Faith". Even in this art, do these Acillians and Techpriests not forget their duties to the machine god and the important rituals, even if the rituals have changed. What separates them from the organized psychic discipline of the 15th is that while they are not as gifted natural psykers, their knowledge of machinery and applied science to the warp is unparalleled. Such technology is expressly prohibited by the Emperor himself to all. . .all but one. That being himself.

I do believe they are likely going to help him work on the Ordo Sinister Psy-Titans.

Not sure a good name that includes the word Esoteric yet.

>>5281767
Because I want to save Apostles of St. Aegon for our specific branch of Null Warriors, I'd go with Chaeron's Hermits.

Of course QM can also just suggest a name he thinks most fitting for "Psychic Techmarines who want to be more than just Librarians"

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Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Wed 25 May 2022 14:47:26 No.5281773 Report

Quoted By: >>5281774 >>5281775

>>5281770
Magician's Red!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Wed 25 May 2022 14:54:10 No.5281774 Report

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>>5281773
unironically, magician's red is not that bad of a name... Red because mars, got it? While Mars has no direct influence on psykers, this new group we are making would be "putting the red in the psykers"

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Wed 25 May 2022 14:56:09 No.5281775 Report

Quoted By: >>5281786

>>5281718
I was checking if Charon was a name already used too much in 40k and found something interesting for future research options.

So the Sisters of Silence have a special tank that lets them sneak up on psykers without their null presence being felt and ambush them. A sort of reverse psychic inhibitor.
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Kharon_Pattern_Acquisitor
>Built to incorporate numerous systems known collectively as a "Spectra Distort Field" to approach its targets with utmost stealth, it is also made quite deliberately to be a thing of mystery and terror when its presence is unveiled, to cow potential resistance through fear as much as the threat of force.
This confirms it is possible to hide the aura of a pariah both biologically like the Sensei do and technologically! That can prove very useful whenever we have to have them work alongside or in proximity of psykers.

Such technology could explain how Guilliman was able to effectively coordinate both Primaris Psykers and Sisters of Silence together in the same place to fight demons, perhaps they have learned how to effectively direct and channel their auras rather than interfere with each other. Like how electricity of the motive force is directed positive and negative leads flowing in an orderly direction.

I'm pretty sure they've found a way to get nulls and psykers to live together, since the Sisters of Silence basically dwell in the Imperial Palace alongside the Emperor and Malcador. Malcador especially I can't imagine being pleased at so much raw, unfiltered null presence. Like every kind of nausea, malaise, and sickness times a thousand.

>>5281773
Eh, we are not Magicians. We are Magi. There's a difference.

I'd think "Red Magi" but then that's basically all techpriests.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:6FhbGcRV Wed 25 May 2022 15:04:58 No.5281784 Report

Quoted By:

>>5281281
>Send them to the Legio Divinitatus for training.

>>5281732
I like Charons Lanterns. The name is going to appeal to the navigator guilds, so they are more likely to accept our sons as psychic guardians. Then when the heresy hits they try to rescue any loyalist navigators whose hands are forced by the traitors or execute the ones who fall to chaos and cripple the traitors warp travel. Also that is excellent choice of music inspiration.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Wed 25 May 2022 15:05:39 No.5281786 Report

Quoted By: >>5281801

>>5281775
But this new chapter will be magicians, for they will be psykers! Taking care and being the muscle of the ordo psykana... I am not 100% clear what they will be doing however.

They will be their protection and assistance in battles deleted from records, but will they have any psyk powers themselves? I can help finding a good name but not without really really understandingthem

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:4/RSjcr4 Wed 25 May 2022 15:13:13 No.5281792 Report

Quoted By: >>5281796

>>5281759
Hermit and Hermetic also come from Hermes, nore specifically from Hermes Trismegistus, which is a version fused with Thoth, meanwhile Hierophant is a high priest in greek and egyptian religian.
Both of them are because of the Ptolomies and Alexander, causing the hellenization of other egypt and at the smae time importing that culture and knowledge to greece.
I thought it would fit since Magnus is the psyker primarch, and he is a bit egyptian, while we are more greek/roman.
Althpugh I suposed we could use Mercury as well, since that is roman Hermes.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:4/RSjcr4 Wed 25 May 2022 15:16:15 No.5281796 Report

Quoted By: >>5281797

>>5281792
Just got tge idea for Mercurial Hermit by reading my own post.
The warp is very volatile, so it's mercurial, so they become hermits to cobtrol.both it and themselves.
Could also open up a use for the adjective ascetic as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Wed 25 May 2022 15:17:49 No.5281797 Report

Quoted By:

>>5281796
Its not bad, but it just doesn't beat the pure aweseom that 'Kharons Lanterns' has.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:4/RSjcr4 Wed 25 May 2022 15:18:07 No.5281799 Report

Quoted By: >>5281804

>>5281770
>>5281759
I like Charon, but maybe it would be more fitting for our eventual nulls.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Wed 25 May 2022 15:20:57 No.5281801 Report

Quoted By: >>5281833

>>5281786
That's mostly up to Malcador's needs and goals.

I like to imagine where the Librarians are soley focused upon the application of the warp for battlefield usage, essentially psychic warriors, the sons we send to Malcador are going to lean more towards the research, application and support roles.

Basically think the difference between a sanctioned battle psyker and the more support based psykers like astropaths, navigators and mechanicus researchers. If you upscaled both to astartes level, librarians would be the former and our sons would be the latter. Assisting in the knowledge department and application of technologies and projects only Malcador and the Emperor would ever approve as well as acting as muscle power to those psychic houses and even a beat stick against demons. Imagine if they could help calm an astropath or navigator undergoing a moment of crisis through a terrible warp storm, rather than falling upon mercy blades or worse succumbing and damning the ship.

Likely they still won't compare to the sheer psychic knowledge of the Thousand Sons and I imagine there will be competition between the Thousand Sons and themselves for influence over the psychic houses (I like to imagine the Thousand Sons were key to winning over many otherwise loyalist navigators and astropath houses and the psychic research elements of the Mechanicus). But they will benefit from direct communion with Malcador, the Emperor, and assistance from Mars and the fact that they were and still will be adepts of the Cult Mechanicus.

Also one thing they have over the Thousand Sons is they don't cavort with demons or tutelaries or spirits if they can avoid it. If directed by Malcador they will bind one and use it as a power source or ritual at his behest, but freely letting them flit about as if they were pets? Fuck that shit.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Wed 25 May 2022 15:22:49 No.5281804 Report

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>>5281799
Well, our Nulls aren't' exactly going to be lighting anyone's way, they are in fact going to be making it darker for psykers.

That and I really hope I can drum up support for the Apostles of St. Aegon for our demonbusting null warriors using necron/sisters of silence pariah tech to banish the warp with science rather than acting through the warp itself.

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Anonymous ID:I7vQoynZ Wed 25 May 2022 15:42:07 No.5281819 Report

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Little does Talos realize as he leads his brothers into the depths of Mars with his psi-scanner to hunt down corrupted machine spirits that he follows in the same footsteps as the Magos Saint Aegon

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Wed 25 May 2022 15:59:18 No.5281833 Report

Quoted By: >>5281845 >>5281954

>>5281801
So they will be muscle boys but related to research and other not-so combat oriented applications of warp. A not so "practical" school of magik but a more (lmao) esotheric one

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Wed 25 May 2022 16:07:40 No.5281845 Report

Quoted By: >>5281975

>>5281833
Which is perfectly fitting for our sons in general
We are capable warriors, as any other legion, but we are warriors who excellency in the myriad support elements that win a war rather than solely martial prowess or tactical acumen alone. Like the Iron Warriors, Iron Hands, or Ultramarines. Not just through flesh and zeal, but technology, numbers, support auxiliary, control of the void and resource superiority. We just take it to a more extreme degree than them.

Machine QM

Machine QM ID:ClAqEj1L Wed 25 May 2022 17:31:04 No.5281954 Report

Quoted By: >>5281975 >>5282037

>>5281833
I see them are guardians of the Ordo Psykana. If one Navigator is doing their work they would surround him in ritual prayer as well as secure him. Like say, a Daemon came to try and kill him there would be five Space Marines standing in it's way.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Wed 25 May 2022 17:53:08 No.5281975 Report

Quoted By: >>5282028

>>5281954
>>5281845
Charon's lanterns are great then!!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:I7vQoynZ Wed 25 May 2022 18:55:56 No.5282028 Report

Quoted By: >>5282031

>>5281975
Or is it Kharon's Lanterns

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Wed 25 May 2022 18:57:50 No.5282031 Report

Quoted By: >>5282034

>>5282028
Tal0S face when we name them 'Charons Lanterns' and everyone makes joke about how the name was written wrong.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Wed 25 May 2022 19:02:57 No.5282034 Report

Quoted By: >>5282044

>>5282031
Now we know how Arkhan Land feels.

"LAND'S RAIDER. IT'S LAND'S RAIDER"

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Wed 25 May 2022 19:06:28 No.5282037 Report

Quoted By: >>5282041 >>5282053 >>5282104

>>5281954
This just leaves me to wonder exactly how often pschic ability pops up in our geneseed.

It'd be ironic if it were a high amount.

I imagine if we're more normal like ultramarines such psyker's would be doled out to crucial ships, plus some of our own.

Maybe by not having combat librarians, there's more psykers to spare for such tasks and then some. Or they are seen as a more pliable and close to terra alternative to Thousand Sons, plus Magnus isn't in the business of just giving away his thousand sons to Malcador and his lot.

Where as that's kinda sorta what we are doing so

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:I7vQoynZ Wed 25 May 2022 19:11:34 No.5282041 Report

Quoted By: >>5282089

>>5282037
Perhaps it's population density. We are aiming to be the most numerous legion to rival the ultramarines, so when you have that many marines you will have that many psykers even if its proportionally average.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Wed 25 May 2022 19:13:30 No.5282044 Report

Quoted By: >>5282064 >>5282089

>>5282034
>TaL0S reawakens in the 41st millenium
>the imperium is in shambles, barely holding together
>gets shown all the different armaments to prepare for war
>"And this is the available number of Landraiders."
>has a touble take, looks at UZ1
>both have a laughing fit

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Anonymous ID:HD5pDOi/ Wed 25 May 2022 19:25:25 No.5282053 Report

Quoted By: >>5282089

>>5282037
I actually don't see TalOS damning any number of his sons to psykerhood.
I'd argue to as soon as we can modify ourselves to blankness spreading it through our legion and geneseed

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lNpJNOCZ Wed 25 May 2022 19:40:50 No.5282064 Report

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>>5282044
In the grim darkness of the forty first millennium there is only the improper names for anything any everything discovered by Arkhan Land.

Besieged on all sides by imbeciles and morons, magis land has stood as a bastion of proper naming conventions, the last light in the darkness. Ruled by the ageless bureaucratic laziness, a thousand inkwells are sacrificed daily to keep some numbskull in the munitorum from changing the name to Land Raider. Numberless armies, governed by careless warlords to whom changing a name but a small price to pay. Mechanical zealots, the Cult Mechanicus, the final defence to the encroaching darkness. The silent servoskulls, protecting the imperium from changing the name within, and without. Forget the promise of having your name be remembered throughout history as the discoverer of 3 holy STCs. Such things are lost, never to be relearned.

Only an eternity of tech priests rolling in their graves, fast enough to power all of segmentum pacificus await you here, and the Laughter of thirsting Gods.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Wed 25 May 2022 20:23:12 No.5282089 Report

Quoted By: >>5282104 >>5282474

>>5282053
That would be cool, but I think there's a ton of room for unintended short term and long term consequences. Still, I'd rather be a legion of blanks when Chaos hits than a legion of normals.

>>5282044
By the Machine God if we were so lucky. Somehow some way, if both of us can make it to that point in a satisfying manner. Even if either of us have been reduced to far beyond what we once were, barely alive consciousness that have been through so much like Cawl. But if Cawl could do it, maybe someone else could.

Maybe UZI might survive as a machine spirit
That or the Emperor granting her perpetuality to guard the Void Dragon

Just trying to make Talos survive into 41k sounds like a huge hurdle that I almost forgo anyone else, but if there were any way nigh short of damnation. . .

>>5282041
I'd like to think it may not necessarily be that we are the most numerous in terms of astartes and acillians, but in terms of our support and just how well funded we are.

Suppose to a battle against an alien Guilliman has a Company with 1000 Tactical Marines, backed up by 3000 Ultramar auxilia. Not too shabby
Talos could show up with only 600 Techmarines of mixed Astartes/Acillian stock. But he is backed up by 2000 Combat Servitors, 2000 Tech Thralls, 1500 Skitarii, and 500 Cyberneticae. Plus superiority in equipment, augments, vehicles, ammunition, etc.

I would still rather be Talos.

It is said the Imperial Guard are the Emperor's Sledgehammer.
And the Legioness Astartes are his Scalpel.
I would propose that the 2nd Legion is the Emperor's Chain Fist.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:8mKgPoHX Wed 25 May 2022 20:56:36 No.5282104 Report

Quoted By: >>5282143 >>5282151 >>5282153 >>5282475

>>5282037
The Second Legion nor Acillians don't seem to be interested in using Psykers for warfare unlike the other Astartes with their Librarians which is why Malcador is going to get away with looting them. An entire Legion's worth of Psyker Astartes. As the Second Legion rather than using Psykers will prefer using Null Tech and Blanks instead.

Honestly even if Tal0S due to his distaste for the Warp and aligning himself with being a Pariah has the lowest rate of Psykers among his Sons the sheer weight of numbers will ensure there is a steady crop of psyker recruits among them.

>>5282089
Ultramarines cheat by having the most recruiting worlds, the stablest geneseed, and having other surviving Astartes absorbed into their Legion by default. That is why they are the most numerous and the 'common' standard for Astartes. Tal0S Astartes recruitment went with the 'quantity' is a quality of its own approach. See producing as many aspirants as possible and keeping as many of them alive as possible even if they fail in order to increase the breeding population of Astartes gene carriers for future recruitment and cultivation. So you have entire dynasties and noble houses being formed and cultivated under the watchful gazes of Genetors to produce as many Astartes Aspirants as possible to recruit into the Second Legion on many worlds controlled by Tal0S. That snowballs like crazy when you honestly don't give a shit so long as you can produce as many Astartes as possible and let war grind them out for you(especially when you prioritize support elements where warfare is not the ONLY focus of the Legion).

Basically Tal0S is even more autistic about his recruitment drives than fucking Rowboat girlyman himself. Which is an incredibly impressive feat to accomplish. It's false to assume that is due to Auxillia because that approach will be purposefully abandoned by Guilliman in the future via the Codex and Astartes Chapter formation. Of course, Tal0S has the admech to hide behind but unlike other Astartes who disdain working with joint forces, his sons actually prefer it. They just have the numbers and resources to get away with it while not prioritizing the quality control that all the other Legions pay a lot more attention to since Tal0S doesn't mind attrition or the losses that arise. Which is something other Legions are a lot more hesitant about.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:IYZritSi Wed 25 May 2022 21:50:21 No.5282143 Report

Quoted By: >>5282166

>>5282104
Let's not forget the fact that we are Admech, we have the capacity to store and study the brains of the best tacticians and fighters and put them in metal bodies to teach new generations and improve the legion overall, we will also have the best equipment and support network, at some point we could even start eugenics programs to further improve things like fertility and acceptance-rate. Mix all those facts, and by the time Girlyman wakes up, our boys will be conducting Space Deep Battle like it's M2 944 but every soldier is a spetsnaz that get stronger the more you fight them.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Wed 25 May 2022 22:01:16 No.5282151 Report

Quoted By: >>5282158 >>5282180 >>5282481

Hot damn, I just realized there is a canon example where space marines could be post creation turned into blanks. And not just any space marines, but the damn psychic Grey Knights.
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ferrymen

So it is feasible. It doesn't mention the process other than them being purified in the " Dead Fields" which I presume means an area of psychic null. Theoretically, prolonged exposure to null energy might be the trick. Also apparently, for Malcador's future purposes, blanks are chosen to be the princeps of Psi Titans. Which I guess makes sense. With a machine spirit that so infused with raw mind energy, you don't want them just taking over the internal host and going awry. Especially those sorts of Titans.

>>5282104
It's gonna take time to acclimate our boys to pariahs. To a normal human, their field is awful. More so to a space marine who has heightened human emotions and willpower. But it is possible to become much more comfortable around them if we become like the Necrons, i.e., like machines.

I have a theory that the method we could achieve blankification of our entire legion will come directly after the mass techmarine shift.

We turn all our boys into very augmeted techmarines, as well as ensure standardized and total augmentation of Xana's populace which should in time ideally include a growing population of Blanks who can live there as citizens. With Augmentations, both our mortals and space marines will be able to mitigate the severe effects such as losing the will to live. There might still be some losses, but such is purification. After prolonged exposure to Xana's negative fields, perhaps it will achieve the same effect as the Ferrymen and some of them may become powerful Blank Librarians (we can come up with a good name for them).

We may need to steal some actual blackstone pylons and really amplify the blank tech to achieve this.

So in order:
Turn our Legion into Techmarines/Max Augmentation -> Build and develop Null fields, tech and blank populace on Xana -> Expose our Legion to them for prolonged periods of time -> We start seeing some powerful Blank Marines!

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Wed 25 May 2022 22:04:44 No.5282153 Report

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>>5282104
>Ultramarines cheat by having the most recruiting worlds, the stablest geneseed, and having other surviving Astartes absorbed into their Legion by default.
Great ideas by the way, we need to figure out how to scheme and implement that too if we haven't already done some of that.

We do look upon Roboute as a leader after all!

Also if we survive the purging that's one less legion for the Ultramarines to absorb.

The final key is just. . .not getting absolutely butchered in the Rangdan Xenocides. We might become the campaigns Perturabo simply because we have so much shit and suffer Dark Angel syndrome. While having so much shit to throw at them is a great and glorious thing, a testament to our abilities and legion, suffering Dark Angel number reduction syndrome isn't. I wonder if we can avoid that somehow.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Wed 25 May 2022 22:09:58 No.5282158 Report

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>>5282151
my bet is that you have to be a psyker first before you can be turned into a pariah since it's the active version of the blank gene. although augmentaion does weaken the soul it's never directly made anyone a blank.

So instead of everyone becoming blanks we could use them as specialist troops having one pre squad to stop psyker bullshit. make them like tech-marines for other legions or Chaplin's.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:8mKgPoHX Wed 25 May 2022 22:15:46 No.5282166 Report

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>>5282143
Acillians are already on their way to being full conversion cyborgs. Considering how long Astartes Dreadnoughts lasted. We could easily have veterans survive for 10k years who actively teach the new generation and still fight/research/manufacture. The genetors are already practicing an astartes eugenics program and studying the Pariah gene. Although the last Tal0S checked they were apparently focusing on family building and salvaging failed Aspirants. Not to mention we already looted all the worlds we got our hands on of Blanks and Astartes gene carriers. So presumably the genetors already have their breeding population to implement eugenics on.

So in theory the Genetors are already curating and establishing dynasties based on Astartes genes and potentially pariah as well. In a few more decades our Legion is gonna look pretty iffy with how relatives are going to be enlisted and serving together. Not to mention how expansive and powerful those 'Astarte' noble dynasties will become who are backed by the Admech for the express purpose of producing as many Aspirants as possible.

>>5282153
We also have to avoid getting eaten by a C'tan shard. Both lost legions getting nearly destroyed annihilated during Rangdan. Something happens between their Primarch's and Big E. That results in the Space Wolves being unleashed upon them that results in them being finished off and the survivors absorbed into the Ultramarines after being mindwiped. Apparently there was something so wrong with their Geneseed stability that other Primarchs were scared shitless about Big E finding out about their own geneseed problems.

Really the Lost Legions got hit by the perfect storm. They got nearly wiped out in the Rangdan Xenocides. Their Primarchs clashed with Big E. There was such a huge issue with their geneseeds that scared other primarchs shitless. Space wolves got sent in to finish them off. The survivors were mindwiped and then absorbed by Ultramarines while their geneseed banks were later recycled.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Wed 25 May 2022 22:25:16 No.5282175 Report

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Work with the human Psykers
>>5281426
>>5281320
>>5281363
>>5281372
>>5281392
>>5281408
>>5281407
>>5281530
>>5281613
>>5281715
>>5281742
>>5281316

Now, do we spell it Charon's Lanterns or Karon's Lanterns.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:x+hl93ja Wed 25 May 2022 22:25:53 No.5282176 Report

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>>5282175
Charon

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:8mKgPoHX Wed 25 May 2022 22:26:55 No.5282180 Report

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>>5282151
Conversion into techmarines will only give the Astartes resistance to the null fields. To actually convert them into Blanks in mass will require Tal0S being converted into a Pariah as a major requirement. See how the Death of Sanguinius traumatized his entire Legion in mass and cursed them. We basically have to do the same thing but with Pariah. That entire experience is likely to be VERY traumatic to our entire Legion as they are connected to us via their very souls and on a psychic level. Having it abruptly inverted via blankness will have devastating and cascading effect that will likely trigger many of them become Blanks themselves. It will also likely kill many of them who aren't techmarines as their augmentations will be able to forcefully stabilize, keeping them alive, and sane through the process.

Think about it compared to Sanguinius's psychic death scream ours is our very soul being inverted and connections ripped from the Warp itself. Including all our sons connection to it. On the plus side for the survivors mass producing blanks will be easy among them. Since they will be able to use and channel that trauma. Although it will also likely make augmentation a bitter necessity to treat the wounds on their souls and psyche at least it's actually treatable.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Wed 25 May 2022 22:27:07 No.5282181 Report

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>>5282175
Karon it fits with warhammers latin or greek but fucked up names.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:8mKgPoHX Wed 25 May 2022 22:28:25 No.5282183 Report

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>>5282175
Charon's Lanterns but than 40k happens then they misspell it much to Tal0s annoyance 10k years later. So it becomes Karon's Lanterns instead. Basically give it the Land Raider's treatment.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Wed 25 May 2022 22:51:25 No.5282205 Report

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>>5282175
Kharon, only because it's what the Sisters of Silence tank did it.

But there's also the other spelling in canon too.
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Charon

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:4/RSjcr4 Wed 25 May 2022 22:54:36 No.5282213 Report

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>>5282175
I like Karon.
Is there a name for someone that holds a latern, or use it to guide people?

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Wed 25 May 2022 23:09:30 No.5282228 Report

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>>5282213
Watchmen.

Watchmen of Kharon perhaps? They are the Psykers who help oversee Psykers.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Wed 25 May 2022 23:10:31 No.5282229 Report

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Watchmen can also be a play on how very heavily augmented they are. All those gears and cogs.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Wed 25 May 2022 23:38:01 No.5282255 Report

Quoted By: >>5282268 >>5282273

>>5282213
Guides of Karon?

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Wed 25 May 2022 23:50:06 No.5282268 Report

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>>5282255
Oh, it smacked me in the face, we can go with the Fires of Karon.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Wed 25 May 2022 23:51:56 No.5282271 Report

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>>5282268
That sounds great

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:4/RSjcr4 Wed 25 May 2022 23:53:38 No.5282273 Report

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>>5282268
Firemen of Kharon.
They ride round on a red voidship
>>5282228
>>5282255
My first thought was ferrymen or lamplighter, but watchmen or guide works too.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Thu 26 May 2022 00:00:43 No.5282280 Report

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>>5282268
How about simply Kharonites?

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 26 May 2022 00:04:44 No.5282283 Report

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>>5282268
Go for it!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:P3JjtlFQ Thu 26 May 2022 00:18:53 No.5282287 Report

Quoted By: >>5282288 >>5282293 >>5282296

Had an Idea. What are the chances that working with Magnus and his Legion averts the fuckery that is the Burning of Prospero?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Thu 26 May 2022 00:24:42 No.5282288 Report

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>>5282287
the only way I can see it is if the emperor sends us if we become the anti-psyker legion instead of the wolves.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 26 May 2022 00:31:16 No.5282293 Report

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>>5282287
>>5282288
Anything is feasible if we work at it. Magnus is a seeker of knowledge in his own way and while Chaos probably has other options to ruin the webway, Magnus if he can be brought to the Golden Throne could do huge benefits in the siege.

The problem is, we most likely will switch one of the loyalist primarch to go traitor and I am unstafisfied with any of the loyalists going traitor given how much damage they could do to the timeline in return.

But of the traitors, I'd wager Magnus being one of the better options of which one to keep loyal. His legion would be able to travel the warp storms with ease, and he himself can manage the golden throne so Malcador doesn't have to die. Theoretically he can also prevent the Emperors void based teleporter from fucking up, unless we've already replaced his with Necron Technomancy

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Thu 26 May 2022 00:33:43 No.5282295 Report

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>>5282288
although if we do keep magnus loyal the QM will balance out the sides. my bet is if we save magnus the Khan will either turn to chaos or more likely in my opinion turn renegade (he was already planning on doing that after nikaea)

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 26 May 2022 00:34:43 No.5282296 Report

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>>5282287
In theory, if we were to Maximize the "Keep Magnus Loyal" we could somehow console him after the council of nicea or influence it to not be so bad for him.

However, more importantly, we just need to convince him not to listen to Tzeentch to break through the Emperors shield himself. This could theoretically be achieved by giving him non-warp based galactic communication, again via Technomancy, if we had become his friend.

Probably Chaos would just send a whole tsunami of massive, unprecedented warp energy to besiege the Emperors shield and maybe pierce it, but still.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Thu 26 May 2022 00:38:37 No.5282301 Report

Quoted By: >>5282798

>>5282293
yeah my bet is
Magnus= Khan
Angron= Sanguinius
Pert= Ferrus (beacuse I don't have a single fucking clue how dorn would fall)
Fulgrim= Guilliman
the twins= Corax

and we cant have loyalist Conrad, Lorgar, Horus

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Thu 26 May 2022 00:39:57 No.5282303 Report

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TalOS thought long and hard about the words he was to say. It was something hard and he suspected such a thing would happen. And with those thoughts he had ideas but he did not really want to act on them.

But it was necessary.

“As I understand it you are the leader of the Ordo Psykana. The branch of the Imperium that employs both Navigators and Astropaths.” TalOS asked the Psyker with a hint of knowledge.

“That is correct. The Ordo Psykana is still a fledgling organization that needs a guiding hand to administer.” The brow of Malcador rose as he admitted to such a state of affairs, “What of them?”

“I have an understanding of what happens behind the closed doors of the Navigators and can make inferences of the Astropaths. Their rituals are divorce from what either species of Xenos are practicing that it brings to the forefront that they might be the best to teach it.” TalOS inferred from painful memories, “My sons will learn much from them, doubly so if their minds are opened to the truth. I wish for them to become the Guardians of the Psykana.”

TalOS could see a moment of surprise and unbelief cross the face of Malcador as he spoke those words. The Sigillite looking upon TalOS as if he became a mutant within second of uttering such a statement.

“So… you see Navigators as potential Guides for them?”

“You say that the Fifteenth does not have proper guides.” TalOS pointed out as he processed the words said before, “I am not one who can guide my sons, but I will not forsake them either. I also do not see my sons becoming the Warriors that the Luna Wolves but Guardians. I find it foolish that the Navigators and Astropaths are alone if there is ever a crisis upon a vessel.”

TalOS allowed his mind to wonder for a moment, “Let it be Mutiny, Catastrophe, or Incursion they will stand guard. May they also Pray that they arrive at their destination without any troubles.”

The smile upon Malcador grew wider and wider as he took in those words. He looked as if the greatest gift was given to him, “I must say TalOS, I do not think a single one of your brothers would have given me this chance.”

“I only wish, that if the time comes, that I can recall them. In doing so I hope the Ordo Psykana would assist me in such dire circumstances.”

“I shall grant you that boon for you have given me a great one yourself.” The Sigillite declared, “Would the name, Fires of Kharon do?”

“For they work for those who take others through death. I agree.” Declared the Primarch.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Thu 26 May 2022 00:40:58 No.5282305 Report

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“To think so much would happen.” Declared the Sigillite as he took a sip of his wine, “We will have much to think about TalOS.”

“Between both ourselves as well as between the Imperium and the Mechanicum.” Declared the Primarch, “Once the war with the Mitu Collective and Orks has finished and we have consolidated our territories I may be visiting more often.”

“You do not see yourself upon the front lines?” Questioned the Regent of Terra as his brow raised itself.

“There is so much that needs to be done internally. My other nineteen brothers can conquer the Galaxy while I work to make sure it stays ours. Already I have been finding troubles with Mars and its Scions. Such things will need to be repaired before it gets worse.”

The man before TalOS took a moment before placing his glass of wine down upon the table, “Do you understand the future that the Emperor wishes to create?”

TalOS shook his head to those words, “Only snippets and pieces. He wishes to assume dominion over humanity. To bring prosperity to humanity just as the Federation of old did for the human race and right the wrongs of the past.”

“That is his goal.” Malcador announced with a sense of surprise within his voice, “He wishes to build an Empire that he can give to Humanity and it shall prosper for thousands of years.”

“So at one point he shall retire?” TalOS pointed out as he gained a sense of perspective, “To make it so humans can operate by themselves without a hand to guide them across the stars.”

“That is correct.”

The Primarch realized some meaning to those words, “I shall consider such a perspective, but as my Creator does I see for now I shall lead from the front. I am no fool though, for even I can die.” TalOS announced as he looked towards UZ1 who simply gave a solemn nod.

“As long as you understand such a thing then do what you need.”

Malcador the Sigillite rose from his seat and approached the balcony that they played host to this evening. TalOS and UZ1 both joined him in a way that they were now looking down upon the festival that humanity was playing in TalOS’s honor.

“We serve Humanity, not ourselves.” The Sigillite declared as he made a motion towards them all.

“Amen.” TalOS prayed as he allowed himself a moment to bask in the glory that was before him.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Thu 26 May 2022 00:42:10 No.5282306 Report

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The Night had become late between the three of them. So late that the Festivals quieted themselves and everyone was beginning to return to their homes for the evening. The doors that lead out to the balcony were closed the room abandoned to the cleaning servitor’s mercy.

The rhythmic tapping of a flaming staff went through the halls as TalOS and Malcador made their way through the Imperial Palace. Around them the Custodes stood in staunch vigilance as they prepared themselves for anything that was to happen. TalOS still found himself marveled at their creation but for today he did not need their secrets. Though eventually he wanted to learn them.

“Thank you for hosting us.” Declared the Primarch as they turned their last hall.

The man who TalOS felt was far older than he looked gave a small laugh, “Indeed. You have given me much to think about and plan.”

“I shall concur with that sentiment.” The Primarch declared as he gave a moment’s thought to a previous comment, “As for my brothers, I cannot guarantee not telling them what lies beyond. I do understand your sentiment that they should focus on material matters.”

“I ask that you try to honor your Creator’s wishes.” Declared the Contributor.

“I shall consider it.”

“For now I shall consider it.” The Primarch announced as he took in such a desire.

“Lastly.” The Old Man pivoted his words with a small grin, “Shall you be traveling to Mars? They will be expecting you.”

TalOS felt a moment of pain as he took in that, “They are…”

“You were not planning to see them. To spite the planet for they have treated your fellows with pain and error.” The Sigillite almost gave a soft laugh as he spoke, “There have been tremors of a Magos who you slighted earlier. Many will listen to him, but then do you really care for what the Red Planet thinks?”

>TalOS shall visit Mars
>It is time to head back to Lucius. It is time for War.
>He will step upon Mars when he is the victor.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Thu 26 May 2022 00:49:34 No.5282308 Report

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>>5282306
>TalOS shall visit Mars
we shouldn't needlessly antagonize them. beside maybe they would be willing to give us something.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 26 May 2022 00:50:01 No.5282309 Report

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Shit, this is an important decision.

We could make a quick announcement that Mars can either join our crusade or stay behind as we reclaim forge worlds for them.

Or push for that Fabricator General here and now.

Not quite sure which one to do. Trying to think that there may have been somethings, many things we at least want from Terra or Mars as we get back.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:x+hl93ja Thu 26 May 2022 00:50:57 No.5282310 Report

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>>5282306
>He will step upon Mars when he is the victor.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 26 May 2022 00:54:12 No.5282311 Report

Quoted By: >>5282313

Uhhh wait so we gave away our psykers but did we learn anything that would help our quest for Technomancy?
Asking Malcador about if its okay we become blanks? That they are okay with this?

Something that helps us avoid the event from before?

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Thu 26 May 2022 00:55:10 No.5282313 Report

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>>5282311
He's helping you all in gathering Blanks and other subjects as well as doing his own cursory research.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 26 May 2022 00:57:28 No.5282316 Report

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>>5282313
Gonna guess that is another way of saying we'll just recross that bridge when we get there, for now Talos has other focuses which is the Mars question.

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Anonymous ID:O+gtUZyV Thu 26 May 2022 00:59:38 No.5282319 Report

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>>5282306
>Shall visit mars

Step in, show our faces, get a view of the situation.
And if they are bitches, we can just turn around and walk off. "We got a war to win."

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 26 May 2022 01:11:02 No.5282325 Report

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>>5282306
>He will step upon Mars when he is the victor.
If you wanna hit the king, you better kill the king. Or rather, if we want to become the new Fabricator General, we had best have all the clout we possibly can.

A successful Reconquista will be our trump card when we return for Mars to gain its allegiance.

At most, maybe we can throw down the gauntlet down and get some Martians to join us.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:4/RSjcr4 Thu 26 May 2022 01:34:24 No.5282340 Report

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>>5282306
>TalOS shall visit Mars
Any other option will only anger Mars even more.
As muchas a triumphal return after the crusade would boost our reputation, taht's years that the martians would spend seething. Years that a certain Fabricator General that should already dislike us for being the Emperor's son and meddling with their work has to talk shit behind our back.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Thu 26 May 2022 01:35:44 No.5282341 Report

Quoted By: >>5283434

>>5282306
>>TalOS shall visit Mars
Turn up, see what the different factions are, make deals with any friendlies, tell everyone to watch this space, then head out to fight the Mitu. Gotta leave them wanting more.

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Anonymous ID:TL/saIlR Thu 26 May 2022 01:41:11 No.5282346 Report

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>>5282306
>TalOS shall visit Mars

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 26 May 2022 01:45:33 No.5282350 Report

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If we go to Mars now or later, I hope we do so not like a warlord simply looking for allies but like a proper Prophet arriving to the holy city of his god, a leader of a mighty crusading host as we are. Just like the Emperor, he didn't simply knock on the door and do some diplomancing. He made it rain and came down from the sky on a golden barge.

In the very least our entrance should be just as awesome. If Talos chooses to go now or later, I hope he's brought the rain (the real rain) and is ready to descend from the damn sky as a true prophet and messiah of the Machine God
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUsgiosqJqw

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Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Thu 26 May 2022 01:48:43 No.5282356 Report

Quoted By: >>5282360 >>5282373

>>5282350
First time as a pilgrim, second time as a prophet. save the thunder and trumpets for when we've accomplished something worth heralding.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 26 May 2022 01:49:23 No.5282357 Report

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Also I wonder how long it took to gather the crusade in the first place and if we haven't already pissed them off by our actions in meeting all those forge worlds too.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 26 May 2022 01:52:08 No.5282360 Report

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>>5282356
Fair, I can see the logic in that route.

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Anonymous ID:6sn5fH3i Thu 26 May 2022 01:54:22 No.5282363 Report

Quoted By: >>5283434

>TalOS shall visit Mars

Man if only we could trust Mars. But we are a primarch. And we are Mechanicus. We are blessed by the Machine God. And so we shall go to him right now.

Before others can make their moves, we shall make ours.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 26 May 2022 02:09:03 No.5282373 Report

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>>5282356
If we do go the humble route first (which hopefully will drum up support among the conservatives and zealots) I can see us heading to temples of the Omnissiah and conducting mass sermons and prayers and prostrating ourselves in the manner of the Techpriest.

If we are so fortunate, maybe our god is listening and will shed some divine signs.

Perhaps this could convince Kelbor Hal we are the real deal.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fR+yno8R Thu 26 May 2022 02:15:42 No.5282378 Report

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>>5282306
>TalOS shall visit Mars

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Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Thu 26 May 2022 02:24:19 No.5282392 Report

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>>5282373
That's the spirit. Perhaps we will make new friend-thralls among the disaffected, convince Kelbor Hal not to openly oppose our machinations just yet, and if we're lucky and the incense hits just right Void Dragon-sempai will throw us another nugget of enlightenment before we head back out into the black.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:trPAeVnA Thu 26 May 2022 02:31:13 No.5282398 Report

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>>5282306
>TalOS shall visit Mars
Though I genuinely think that it could be one of the most dangerous places for us in the galaxy. I think the chances of an attempted assassination are high, there will be someone very very unhappy with what we represent, no matter what we do I think. I'm sure there's some crazy dark age tech that could take us out readily.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Thu 26 May 2022 02:41:12 No.5282401 Report

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>>5282373
On a related note, neither Kelbor Hal or TalOS consider the Emperor to be the Omnissiah, so there's a potential for common ground there, and we might even be able to get him onside or at least turn him in a non-Chaos related direction. Also, remember that at this point Mars is heavily split between different cults and viewpoints, despite their monolithic appearance to outsiders. A little public relations now could save a lot of bloodshed later.

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 26 May 2022 03:19:20 No.5282432 Report

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>>5282398
Would have been a good time for that Chronomancy, ah well when we come back the 2nd time around we'll bring on the thunder and bring on the rain

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Thu 26 May 2022 03:28:48 No.5282442 Report

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>>5282398
>>5282432
That's why we have our Steel Wardens and a Displacer Field. Let our not-Moritat gunslingers get some screen time and earn their corpse-starch.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Thu 26 May 2022 03:56:45 No.5282474 Report

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>>5282089
I'd rather be the Emperor's Neutron laser 48" Heavy D3,12 strenght, -4 AP, D3+3 damage and Blast

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Thu 26 May 2022 03:59:28 No.5282475 Report

Quoted By: >>5282490

>>5282104
>Tal0S doesn't mind attrition or the losses that arise. Which is something other Legions are a lot more hesitant about.
Bruh, what quest are you reading

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UwzvJeiC Thu 26 May 2022 04:02:05 No.5282477 Report

Quoted By: >>5283434

>>5282306
>He will step upon Mars when he is the victor.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Thu 26 May 2022 04:06:06 No.5282481 Report

Quoted By: >>5282495 >>5282523

>>5282151
>A Necron host shows up into Xana, with gifts and other platitudes, thinking it's a necron world because of the abscent warp energies
>No one knows what the fuck is going on

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Thu 26 May 2022 04:08:28 No.5282487 Report

Quoted By: >>5282492

>>5282175
>Karen's lanterns
>Sharon's lanterns

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Thu 26 May 2022 04:10:34 No.5282490 Report

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>>5282475
NTA, but maybe let's rephrase that to "TalOS's 2nd Legio is more capable of suffering attrition or losses that arise without a loss of combat capacity," as he has a lot of non-Astartes troops that are more easily replaced to spread his casualties among. Not that he doesn't care, it's just that servitors and skitarii are better attrition troops than Tac Marines.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Thu 26 May 2022 04:11:35 No.5282492 Report

Quoted By:

>>5282487
Sharon is Karen... Sharing is Caring?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Thu 26 May 2022 04:16:03 No.5282494 Report

Quoted By: >>5283434

>>5282306
>>TalOS shall visit Mars
We would be a fucking liar if we don't, for we are here

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Thu 26 May 2022 04:18:02 No.5282495 Report

Quoted By: >>5282523 >>5282525

>>5282481
Imagine the size of the party when they found out both sides were patronized by different Void Dragon shards. Absolute xenophilic tech-heresy.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:8mKgPoHX Thu 26 May 2022 04:37:09 No.5282523 Report

Quoted By:

>>5282481
>>5282495
I mean...when you think about it's not entirely unlikely. Would be even funnier if there large number of blanks because necrons actually like blanks. Imagine the fun when Tal0S as Void Dragon Prophet gets brought up. It wouldn't be surprising if a necron dynasty got woken up early and is investigating.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Thu 26 May 2022 04:37:33 No.5282525 Report

Quoted By: >>5282529

>>5282495

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:itlphfX8 Thu 26 May 2022 04:40:59 No.5282529 Report

Quoted By: >>5282689

>>5282525
This shit right here is what's gonna get us purged. Totally worth it for the comedy value though.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9p/p+gHP Thu 26 May 2022 04:50:19 No.5282536 Report

Quoted By: >>5283434

>>5282306
>It is time to head back to Lucius. It is time for War.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:4PXjW/ty Thu 26 May 2022 08:57:14 No.5282689 Report

Quoted By:

>>5282529
Let's break the Mechanicus in half!!!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Rl0ES39a Thu 26 May 2022 10:03:16 No.5282714 Report

Quoted By: >>5283434

>>5282306
>He will step upon Mars when he is the victor.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:I7vQoynZ Thu 26 May 2022 10:40:56 No.5282732 Report

Quoted By: >>5283434

>>5282306
>He will step upon Mars when he is the victor.

Son of Nanomachine

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 26 May 2022 12:06:34 No.5282787 Report

Quoted By: >>5282868

Before we leave Terra, I wonder if any tokens or momentos exist from the days of the Federation that we could bring back to Lucius. Since we are wanting to claim succession to the old federation while also being a puppet state to the Imperium, and the Imperium is supposed to be something new and on a far greater scale.

A flag, a great seal, a piece of the old Federation Capital, even just the authorization code of the office of the president or High Chancellor we could give to the Fabricator General of Lucius.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 26 May 2022 12:21:40 No.5282798 Report

Quoted By: >>5283108

>>5282301
Tbh, trading Magnus for Khan is one of the better trades I can think of. It'll make the military situation suck, but the military situation is going to suck ass no matter what anyway, but Magnus provides utility.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Thu 26 May 2022 14:07:51 No.5282868 Report

Quoted By: >>5282877

>>5282787
How do we go adquiring it? it's not like we can sneak into the sigilite's office and snatch a rubber stamp or a wax seal.... unless

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ntozOKsv Thu 26 May 2022 14:24:01 No.5282875 Report

Quoted By: >>5283434

>>5282306
>>TalOS shall visit Mars

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 26 May 2022 14:26:46 No.5282877 Report

Quoted By: >>5282895

>>5282868
Just ask?

He is the Regent of the Imperium and Regent of Terra, and he has the authority of the Emperor. He could grant the Lucian Federation the legitimacy of the title of Successor to the Federation, by the authority of the Imperium of Man. Especially if there actually isn't any physical traces left, but at least we got the closest thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:reVXYxlv Thu 26 May 2022 14:40:59 No.5282895 Report

Quoted By: >>5282938

>>5282877
I don't like owing that mani favors, desu...

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:nc3TMawJ Thu 26 May 2022 15:07:48 No.5282916 Report

Quoted By: >>5283434

>>5282306
>>TalOS shall visit Mars

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 26 May 2022 15:29:12 No.5282938 Report

Quoted By: >>5282998 >>5283210

>>5282895
Is it that big of a favor? It seems more like just getting an unused relic or title just gathering dust. Like asking the late empire Ottoman Sultan for the title of Regent of Constantinople or Byzantium.

The Imperium is not the successor to the Federation anyway.

The Emperor is no one's successor, no ones descendant. No allegiance, he swears no oath! Crowned by himself, not by the church, his power is beyond divine
https://youtu.be/vrrky5Jg9D0

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:4/RSjcr4 Thu 26 May 2022 16:44:23 No.5282998 Report

Quoted By: >>5283004

>>5282938
Well, the ottomons did claim the were the sucessors of rome in some occasions, probably because everyone in europe was doing it.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 26 May 2022 16:48:45 No.5283004 Report

Quoted By: >>5283061

>>5282998
There was technically the nearest descendant of the last byzantine emperor prior to the ottoman conquest of it, whose further descendants tried to sell the title to others but no one was buying. Apparently Spain bought it by accident even.

The point is to the Emperor and Imperium, what is the Federation of olde? Not much. But to Lucius it is something important. So it shouldn't be that big a deal to give us some relics or even just bestowe the title right?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Wn/BSiIZ Thu 26 May 2022 17:40:22 No.5283061 Report

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>>5283004
It would certainly cement our legacy with the Lucians and provide us legitimacy in our dealings with other worlds and interstellar polities. So yeah, minor thing to the Terrans, big damn deal for us.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:6FhbGcRV Thu 26 May 2022 17:48:57 No.5283072 Report

Quoted By: >>5283434

>>5282306
>He will step upon Mars when he is the victor.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:6FhbGcRV Thu 26 May 2022 17:52:46 No.5283077 Report

Quoted By:

So does "It is time to head back to Lucius. It is time for War. " "He will step upon Mars when he is the victor." both mean that we aren't going to Mars right away, but the middle option just says we probably don't care for Mars while the third option says we do care, but want to win our Mitu war first and come back in triumph? That's what it seems like.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Thu 26 May 2022 18:22:44 No.5283108 Report

Quoted By: >>5283886

>>5282798
yeah but magnus also has the smallest legion due to the flesh change. part of the reason why he was going to be given command of the grey knights (Fury of Magnus).

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UVXQSzUT Thu 26 May 2022 18:22:53 No.5283109 Report

Quoted By: >>5283267

I think we should visit mars since "The Pilgrimage" is our official reason for this roadtrip in the first place. We would be called liars if we came all the way to the sol system and not visit Holy Mars. This would be like the Sultan touring all the holy sites in the Islamic world, reaching Mecca and deciding not to go to the Hajj

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UVXQSzUT Thu 26 May 2022 18:24:31 No.5283111 Report

Quoted By: >>5283434

>>5282306
>TalOS shall visit Mars.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Thu 26 May 2022 18:33:50 No.5283119 Report

Quoted By: >>5283434

>>5282306
>>TalOS shall visit Mars
There is the option of just landing, walking a bit, taking a nice stone with us and leaving without talking to the leaders out of some amount of spite.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:F3+YfFN1 Thu 26 May 2022 19:48:11 No.5283210 Report

Quoted By: >>5283234 >>5283258

>>5282938
I do think its a big favour. "Would you legitimize my goverment UmU???" "I just need that document over there that is collecting dust OwO"
This is Malcador we are speaking of....

Machine QM

Machine QM ID:TQgeXcjg Thu 26 May 2022 20:06:50 No.5283234 Report

Quoted By: >>5283258

>>5283210
The Sigillite.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 26 May 2022 20:22:38 No.5283258 Report

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>>5283234
>>5283210
Hmm, fine. Good reason to do uncle a few more good turns for a nice birthday gift

Son of Nanomachine

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 26 May 2022 20:32:14 No.5283267 Report

Quoted By: >>5283278

>>5283109
I hadn't anticipated reaching Mecca so suddenly.

If we didn't go it's justifiable as the pilgrimage not being complete or perhaps having made a holy pledged to fight off the invaders and only once the lands are free to finish it.

Oh well, it's only sentimental value as a completionist I was hoping to reach Mars in full glory and spectacular. If we can still do that the 2nd time around it should be good.

Also I still hope we can have a nice significant moment with UZI upon reaching the soil of Mars. I'd say if any time there was to give her new eyes, it's now.

So that as we exit the warp she can bear witness to the glory of Mars with her brand new eyes. A truly unforgettable sight. And perhaps before we leave give her a Ring of Iron, made of a blessed piece of the Iron Ring of Mars.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Thu 26 May 2022 20:39:38 No.5283278 Report

Quoted By: >>5283292

>>5283267
Wouldn't an alloy out of both Mars ring and a part of Lucian innards be better?

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Thu 26 May 2022 21:00:59 No.5283292 Report

Quoted By:

>>5283278
Could be, yeah. We might have some.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lSS0X/cr Thu 26 May 2022 21:14:03 No.5283310 Report

Quoted By: >>5283434

>TalOS shall visit Mars

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Yh0+cpPV Thu 26 May 2022 22:53:13 No.5283433 Report

Quoted By: >>5283434

>TalOS shall visit Mars when he owns all of mar's shit.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Thu 26 May 2022 22:55:16 No.5283434 Report

Quoted By:

TO MARS!
>>5282308
>>5282319
>>5282340
>>5282341
>>5282346
>>5282378
>>5282398
>>5282494
>>5282875
>>5282916
>>5283111
>>5283119
>>5282363
>>5283310

Upon Victory
>>5282310
>>5282325
>>5282477
>>5282714
>>5282732
>>5283072

Straight to Lucius
>>5282536

Fuck Mars
>>5283433

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:1H3KZzUP Thu 26 May 2022 23:27:58 No.5283444 Report

Quoted By:

We are showing up with a naval fleet and I'm sure skitari and Astarte. If we think it's appropriate at any point, that could be quite a threat. Who knows if the emperor would let us bombard mars... It depends on what kind of fleet they'll have in orbit. But it's something we could leverage if we have to. Visiting Mars now gives us a reason to arrive locked and loaded.

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Thu 26 May 2022 23:43:05 No.5283457 Report

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“I will go.” The Primarch declared as he looked upon the Sigillite, “It is what I promised to all on my journey over. It would be wrong to slight them before the War starts.”

The old man gave a solemn nod as he heard those words, “Then the murmurs will lessen as you present yourself as proof.”

TalOS took a moment to allow those words to shape within his mind, “Is that an assessment or foresight?”

The psyker gave a small smile as he heard those words, “I cannot see you TalOS, but I catch glimpses of all that is around you. Your Creator as well.”

TalOS felt a hint of annoyance as he found a thought of his confirmed, “That means you are not the only ones who can see it.”

“That is true.” The Sigillite announced as they finally passed through the doors.

Before them stood an honor guard of both Acillians and Custodes each standing in perfect formation against one another. There was no malice between the two sides and TalOS lacked a way to taste the air like others. From inference he judged that they were simply taking in one another and judging. TalOS wondered if Astartes had such a capability as to guard against those under their own roof.

After all, the Primarch was aware of the techniques employed in their creation. That the Astartes were programmed beings similar to the Acillians and thus surely had obedience brought into their mind’s formation.

“This is where I leave you, TalOS.” Declared the Sigillite as his staff made a last tap, “I wish you good travels and hope to hear of your advancements. I shall endeavor to start what we have agreed upon and see if fruits finally come of it.”

“Thank you, Malcador.” Declared the Primarch as he gave a solemn and heartfelt bow.

The old man before TalOS seemed to think to himself for a moment in ponderment. Age of centuries seemed to quickly grab the old man as he thought to himself deeper and deeper, “Would you humor an Old Man, TalOS DAV1S. Shall I make your sons call me Uncle as I build their minds and strengthen their bodies?”

TalOS could not help but give a small laugh at that, “There is already someone who demands they call Grandmother. If nothing else, I might start calling you that myself if we continue together.”

The Sigillite could not help but gain a smile. One that spoke of the age and an ancient longing that TalOS only now realized was present, “I believe such a title is one I can earn.”

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Thu 26 May 2022 23:44:07 No.5283459 Report

Quoted By: >>5283614

With that the Primarch entered the shuttle that had brought him down from the skies. With the palace being so far into the ancient sky, lift off was achieved with few coskings of the Machine Spirits. TalOS took a moment to rest as he felt his body fully loosen itself.

“He was interesting…” UZ1 declared as she took the moment to voice her thoughts, “He reminds me of a Magos my Mother knows. I suspect that he is far more brilliant though.”

TalOS gave a firm nod to that thought, “Indeed that is true. He would have made a fine Priest if his goals were not already made centuries ago.”

“How old do you think he is?” UZ1 asked next as TalOS hit a suspicion that she also had.

“He does not appear to be as withered as the Fabricator General but he could have prevented such a thing with sorcery.” TalOS admitted as he thought long and hard, “Six thousand.”

“That would date him from before Long Night.” UZ1 pointed out as she did several runs of date figures.

“There are reasons I can see it as such.” TalOS pointed out, “Something about how he easily ignored the mention of the Federation of Terra, but understood its significance so easily. His mannerisms… they remind me of Magos Gelkar from that vid-recording of ancient times.”

“And I had him for three thousand years old…” UZ1 gave a moment’s pout as such a piece of evidence began to make sense in her mind.

As the two chatted they came towards the grand fleet that was slotted for reconquest. Already so many of the ships were migrating their way from Lucius to Mars causing the fleets present to nearly double in size.

They were of all colors and brands. From those who proudly display the ‘L’ of Lucius to those whose clothing was the white of Columnus. Like the true Crusade of Old, they assembled their forces at the heart of their faith in preparation to hear the words of their General and Head of Religion.

Primed Mars waited. It waited for the arrival of its one and only Primarch.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Thu 26 May 2022 23:45:32 No.5283462 Report

Quoted By: >>5283502

Alright, we are at 1.5k posts and I am pretty sure we lost quite a few cellphone users who don't use 'Read Chan'. Hopefully I can posts the next update tomorrow but it might end up being Saturday.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 27 May 2022 00:46:23 No.5283502 Report

Quoted By: >>5283555

>>5283462
If someone can archive this thread that would be great!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:F3+YfFN1 Fri 27 May 2022 01:34:35 No.5283548 Report

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QM-sama my CPU can't take it anymore!! My integers are... overflowing!!! The load time is messing with my mind I am becoming stupid kyaaa all the comments... flooding in!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:4/RSjcr4 Fri 27 May 2022 01:44:05 No.5283555 Report

Quoted By:

>>5283502
I just did, but the archive is taking it's sweet time to go through.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:4/RSjcr4 Fri 27 May 2022 01:46:48 No.5283557 Report

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And it's now ready.
Remember to vote anons.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:y59LTBZp Fri 27 May 2022 02:58:27 No.5283614 Report

Quoted By: >>5283837

>>5283459
>not as withered as the fabricator general
Hmmm.
I had an inkling of a suspicion before whether or not the current fabricator general is Kelbor Hal. He was "only" a Magos when the Emperor first arrived on Mars. Although he was part of the treaty negotiation so he might be an influential one.

It will be interesting to find out.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:y59LTBZp Fri 27 May 2022 03:05:11 No.5283620 Report

Quoted By:

I also ponder if Magos Margin is something like the chief datasmith of Mars or their best hacker.

Could be an interesting opportunity in and of itself. I wonder if Mars does hacking duels done before the virtual eyes of Man and Machine God, to sustain our honor and innocence against any charges he tries to bring to us.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Fri 27 May 2022 10:24:51 No.5283837 Report

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>>5283614
I think she was talking about the fabricator general of lucius here, since that would be The One she recognizes and respects under that title

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Fri 27 May 2022 12:34:22 No.5283886 Report

Quoted By: >>5284288

>>5283108
He could have the smallest legion, but he has the greatest psychic mind.

A loyalist Magnus on Terra during the siege would be an ungodly game changer. Someone to help close down the Webway faster, and manage the Golden Throne, and see the movements of Chaos on Horus flagship, perhaps even amplify the astronomican to such a level that Guilliman and Co. see it clearly through the warp storm and no to stop fucking about with Imperial Secundus and bullrush to Terra.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Vk1Qb3g6 Fri 27 May 2022 18:53:32 No.5284288 Report

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>>5283886
>Tal0S and Magnus with their Legions are facing down the traitors on terra
>Talos: "I never expected to stand side by side with a psyker facing down our brothers."
>Magnus: "Then how about standing with a friend?"
>Tal0S: "... Aye, I can do with that."

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The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 27 May 2022 22:09:26 No.5284475 Report

Quoted By: >>5284496 >>5284632

New thread will be tomorrow. For now enjoy the eeriness that this Quest starts to infect/tap into the subconscious of Warhammer fans.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Fri 27 May 2022 22:18:52 No.5284496 Report

Quoted By: >>5284497

>>5284475
where did you find this. It doesn't have enough guns.
>imagine forgoing all range options for melee weapons.

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Fri 27 May 2022 22:20:01 No.5284497 Report

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>>5284496
It just randomly appeared on Reddit today. https://old.reddit.com/r/ImaginaryWarhammer/comments/uz5rse/the_lost_primarch_of_the_xith_legion_battling/

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:X8bFItDO Fri 27 May 2022 22:59:15 No.5284529 Report

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I can't wait to get the rest of our son's. Hopefully most of them will be back and on Lucius by the time we get back.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:F3+YfFN1 Sat 28 May 2022 00:49:27 No.5284632 Report

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>>5284475
he.... he is very large

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:xnQ2Jl7x Sat 28 May 2022 03:47:40 No.5284754 Report

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I agree that I think Magnus is the Primarch I want Talos most to meet and develop a relationship with, and even potentially save from his fate. It was tzeetch we first encountered and probably covers us the most. To foil his plans for Magnus too would be pretty big. Narratively speaking though it would then make sense for a different loyalist primarch to fall instead though... And probably one of the more important ones. Tzeetch would probably be most interested in guilliman after him for his analytical ability I think. Or the Khans and they'll all get crazy demon bikes

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sat 28 May 2022 14:03:28 No.5285058 Report

Quoted By: >>5285511

To play the devils advocate for Khan, since the benefits of Magnus are well known (not that we can be sure gaining Magnus would trade Khan or who knows who else)
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Jaghatai_Khan#Horus_Heresy
It seems Khan's big gripe during the HH was simply being ignored or uninformed, the price of his desire for freedom from an Emperor who he bent the knee from clearly so that he would not be conquered himself. Being so far out and away from communications, his legion was often neglected as a result and also himself was not given up to date info.

Theoretically if we can achieve Technomantic communication of the Necrons without the need of Astropaths, and stay in good communication with the Khan and even help boost his ship engines for speed, we could gain his graces. His legion were a military sword during the Heresy, carving absolute murder on the traitor legions.

Lucius is going to be large and a big target for the traitors, alongside Ultramar. if we gain the Khan's favor to help protect our large territory via his swift speeds to deal with traitor legions, it'd be a big boon.

Btw
>Every Primarch asserted various preferences during construction: Corax had worked obsessively to make his vessels as stealthy as possible, Vulkan to make them durable and Fulgrim to make them beautiful.
>In the case of the White Scars, only one change had ever been requested of the Tech-priests and only one metric was ever improved upon -- speed.
I wonder what Talos ships specialty would be. My hope is automation and mass. By having as many up to date automated systems requiring minimal crew, more ships can be built and fleet sizes larger thanks to not requiring as heavy a human crew. And as a result of superior industrial capacity, 2nd Legion ships tend to be both more numerous and of the larger variety.

That or at least superior firepower and range via reliance on lance beams and energy weaponry and dispensing of conventional munitions.

Just as Talos himself might one day become taller than even Vulkan via a new heavily augmetic body.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:J/eB9HZs Sat 28 May 2022 22:19:35 No.5285511 Report

Quoted By: >>5285540

>>5285058
We can't get too big or we won't be able to pilot our titan.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sat 28 May 2022 22:47:20 No.5285540 Report

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>>5285511
Balderdash I say.
The Imperator Titan is like a mobile city.
We would just have to alter our seat, or plug ourselves in from some other place.

Especially if we end up converting it into an Apocalypse Titan, we can just make a custom seat/interface

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Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sat 28 May 2022 22:50:59 No.5285546 Report

Quoted By: >>5285549

Also in the first place I don't imagine the original princeps chair was built with a primarch in mind so its logical to assume we've already modified it once.

I bet with Technomancy we could even effectively stay in communion with the Particeps Semper, a feat unheard of by any other Princeps. That would be a great admech flex.

Son of Nanomachine

Son of Nanomachine ID:DBNBAuGG Sat 28 May 2022 22:52:46 No.5285549 Report

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>>5285546
*remotely stay in communion

The Machine QM

The Machine QM ID:HijwHDx1 Sat 28 May 2022 23:39:59 No.5285626 Report

Quoted By: >>5302926

NEW THREAD!!!
>>5285621
>>5285621
>>5285621
>>5285621

Necro

Necro ID:9p/p+gHP Mon 13 Jun 2022 01:42:52 No.5302926 Report

Quoted By: >>5303056

>>5285626
Thanks for running.

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>>5302926
You're welcome!

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