>>7411796Yeah, sounds about right. Also looked up how to loosen up joints and tried the hot water method in a ziploc. It worked for the second hand which was just as tight and i even identified the problem. As it turns out the sleeves are to blame, sort of, probably some adhesive thing and I had to use my needle nose pliers to wiggle the hand off the joint as well. I appreciate the effort to keep things together if nothing else, but I'm still peeved about the rifle.