>>57379373Gen 7+ were wise to drop them, but I still like the old games too, thanks
>>57379429Anyone can plan ahead for HM use, but that doesn't make it good. It limits your team and moveset freedom. Been there, done that. It's all Just backwards. I shouldn't need a winged mon for fast-travel, and going back-and-forth to the PC sucks balls.
>>57379470No HM's is ideal.
Not requiring a slot is awesome, but if it requires that my team be able to learn it then it's obnoxious still. What if I wanted to play through Hoenn with a mono-fire team, for instance?
Deletable HM's I can tolerate in conjunction with infinite TM's, but still shares issues with the "no slot needed" method + I gotta keep swapping moves.
>>57379523Some hacks also buff Strength and Rock Climb to be strong rock-type coverage. Very fun, but ultimately a band-aid solution.
