>>26865039>and Return is better nowYes, but you can easily beat anything in-game with just Strength's base power.
And Rock Smash is one of the worst HMs out there, I agree, just because it's so common. Whirlpool is only needed in one tiny area and an optional area in one game though so I don't really care about it.
>>26865057>What if you went through Kalos Badlands and the powerplant was blocked by a dock instead and you hadn't gotten fock smash yet, or you didn't put a Rock Msash Pokemon on your team beforehand?That's better than the current scenario since it's more natural. There isn't a functional difference but it's a difference fluff-wise, which is what I care about.
>It is impossible for that to be more aggravating than HMs without some sort of brain damage or disorder.That's rude.
