>>37685200The only bad water starter is samurott
Bad grass starters are Meganium and Sceptile
Greninja and decidueye are good. Chesnaught and primarina are meh to decent.
>>37685245Greninja is the exception. empoleon is okay but nothing great.
Venusaur and torterra are good. but fuck sceptile. i hate how undeservedly beloved that ugly bastard is.