>>19968166Mine's modest. I found if you play too defensively then something just fucks you over. If I want to survive something then I'll EV for it. Like my vaporeon is 252 HP / 104 Def / 128 SpA / 24 Spe, Modest, to survive 252+ Atk leafeon's leaf blade, while speed creeping other base 65's by 2 points