>>54696405>Hidden Power was never once off the tableIf you're using it over another supereffective option for your intended target, then that means you're lacking that type coverage
>Swampert in gen3ou literally doesn't run Hidden PowerWhere did I mentioned this?
>irrelevant because Substitute set up would not be good for it and it's relevant in Celebi's case because of Baton Pass plus its set up and, again, it has Recover (not to mention leech seed), so that there is little to no downside from substitutingYeah, since why would you use it when you're already immune to the permanent sand and thus can recover HP gradually every turn via Leftovers
>I've spent the thread extensively proving how it isn't, and left numerous open doors for actual proof to the contrary that never saw a foot pushed in>>54695850>Some of those are goodRarely, just like some of the Gen 2 Pokemon commonly regarded as being shitmons like Jumpluff or Bellossom
>I never once moved a goalpostYou went from "Johto Pokemon are reliant on having an abnormally high stat to be viable" to "Johto Pokemon need a broken quality about them to be viable"
>it literally doesand yet it's wrong in its implication, as far as its own gen's metagame is concerned
Is that why the best sub-400 BST Pokemon in the tier is from Gen 2?
