>>43692634>Yeah, congrats to the opponent for besting me in reaching their setup position while I did nothing in that time span to either reach mine or obstruct them.What set up are you making, exactly? If Kartana is your defogger, you'd have to either have him be wittled down or outright KO'd by the setter(Vikavolt), turned into set up fodder(Shuckle), or used as a momentum grab for another mon(Rimbombee). You can't use Kartana on a weather team since all of them either weaken your recovery or buff Draco.
I also don't know how two extreme common scenarios for Dracovish centric teams to be in are a "strawman". Definition of a counter is a mon that can come in at any time and beat what it's countering. Your mon doesn't win with something as simple as Rain is up, so it's not a counter.
>Just because your Toxapex or Aegislash gets flinched by Cloyster doesn't make that "counter" a waste of a slot. You're bitter and oblivious to competitive history if you think niche is wrong, especially since niche has started many things taken for granted to be common, e.g. AV Tangrowth, defensive Talonflame, Pain Split Heart Swap Magearna, Seismitoad itself, etc.Except all those mons have use besides countering a single Pokemon your opponent isn't guarenteed to be running. Saying other mons that have ACTUAL niches means this one MUST be good is ridiculous. What niche does wall Kartana have besides "countering"(again, it still loses outright against two common sets) Dracovish? Even Toad can cockblock Rotom W/H, Keldeo, and apply status and rocks.
You've lost, dude, and you're too pigheaded to admit your "counter" is dumb and doesn't actually work.
