>>16233171I'd say a shogun is pretty icon with OR without the horse. More accurate versions of your analogies would be
>Let's do a Neil Armstrong Pokemon without the moon>Let's do a luchador Pokemon without the wrestling ring>Let's do a turtle Pokemon without a pondFurhermore, your analogies would be more in line with
>Let's do a Pokemon who's only a shogun in title, but lacks its distinctive armor 