>>46180958This is a problem I've had with calling something a shitmon. Is it really a shitmon if it has had some success at some point? What if it has seen some OU play at times like Quagsire? Is Staraptor really a shitmon when it has been UUBL since its debut? Then there's the topic of doubles, where something like Skarmory that is a recurring OU singles pokemon is unviable in VGC and smogon 6v6 doubles.