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All these Greninja threads have been shittier than the normal smogon hate threads. It's not the usual "oh, you guys!" shittiness where you have no problem jumping in and contributing to the shit, it's the "am I on fucking Gamefaqs?" shittiniess where every third post is probably from underage posters.
First off, Greninja isn't versatile. It's really not. People who say it should be banned for being too versatile are shitters and people who say smogon are only banning it because it's versatile are hugely ignorant. It has a whopping one viable set, LO 4 attacks. Sure sometimes you see Spikes but that's really its only set. When you see it in team preview you, at minimum, know its item and two of its moves, and can take a pretty good guess at the remaining two.
This is opposed to, uh, let's just say fucking Lando-T. It has sash SR lead, bulky SR, scarf, Earth Plate SR, and double dance. Each of these function ENTIRELY differently, the player using them has to know which fits best on the team and the opponent has to handle it on the fly if they weren't expecting something like double dance.
Oh wait never mind, Lando-T needs to be banned for unexplainable reasons. Alright how about Latios? Scarf, LO, and CM sets. Each function *much* differently. Scarf outspeed borderline everything and the threat of TrickScarf makes checking that completely different. LO nukes stuff from the get-go while CM sets can stall break. Some sets run Memento which is usually a complete surprise to the opponent and they need to deal with that through actual thought.
Wait hold on that's a legendary, it's also OP. Uh how about Mega Lopunny? SubPass fucks with all of its checks and gains tons of momentum. SubPUP stallbreaks. Healing Wish can be an unpleasant surprise. Ice Punch lures lando.
