>>45917019Not the anon that replied to you, but yeah I agree, basically all the mons you listed are indeed still shitmons.
If we're talking Smogon formats, then the notion of "shitmon" may vary from individual to individual (some may say a shitmon is Untiered, some may say it's anything not OU etc etc). If we go for the latter, then yes pretty much every single one of them is a shitmon indeed. Some of those choices are just because the mon is literal trash and not even a god HA can save them (frosmoth especially, lurantis is another one).
If we're talking VGC / BSS, then every single one of them is an *extreme* shitmon with literally 2-3 exceptions (Mudsdale sees very little play but it's far from unusable, Togedemaru has some utility as a slower raichu with spiky shield, Liepard has seen some play here and there because muh Prankster Copycat shenanigans).
Some if not most of all these HA are either trash or underpowered and in cases where the ability is good, it's the base mon that's the problem.
So HAs are not the only way to buff a shitmon but GF can only "buff" by pumping out shitty gimmicks that last 1-2 years and then said mon goes back into obscurity. I want my bro to be good but unless you're from Kanto or one of the designated shillmons you're not getting any attentions.
