>>12502524yeah I gotta agree with that, but the main thing is that most of the good physical walls in NU wall him to death (regirock/alomomola/golem/rarely seen defensive ampharos), while Charizard has to deal with the fact that there is much less special walls in NU and most of them can be killed with a set like fire STAB/air slash/HP grass and a fourth move, either sub/roost or maybe even something like toxic. the +9 between the SpA stats helps as well. In short the meta is just more suited to charizard, even with pic related
