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Anonymous Mon 23 May 2022 17:06:11 No.50508535 View View Report

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>>50508351
>Good writing is making Ash lose the Kalos league despite the entire series setting up his victory
>Good writing is going out of the way to punish his rival who dared to try and beat him
>Good writing is absolutely ruining the ending to one of the best pieces of pokemon related media in years
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>Doesn't changed that he still gotten a Mega Stone and Key Stone handed to him.
It absolutely DOES change it. "Just getting handed" something means Receiving something with no effort or consequences in the plot, which makes the writing weaker because the character gets something they don't deserve. But there very explicitly IS consequences, because it was all part of the plot of Alain being a pawn of the VILLAINS. Imagine if Ash was given a Master Ball by a villain, but it was also secretly a tracking device that directly benefitted the villain, AND he ended up losing it in the end. Would you say "Wow, I can't believe Ash was just handed a Master Ball? The plot is obviously favouring Ash" No, of course now.
>Except he didn't therefore it breaks your headcanon.
>He didn't lost Ash so stop using that dumb argument.
You obviously don't understand the argument. The point was that everything outside of the last minute finale change was justified, which is was. Each of those Writing decisions taken together were perfectly fine until Alain won, at which point they *seemed* retroactively much worst. But they're still perfectly fine. The only thing they need to change was Alain winning, that's IT.
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Anonymous Mon 16 May 2022 19:20:15 No.50452236 View View Report

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Look at the fucking source material. The anime was clearly writing a narrative for Ash to finally win. His competency, his character arc, the framing, the constant allusions to it in dialogue and even the fucking episode titles. Hell, this scene from before the Kalos League is the most convincing piece of evidence that exists in the narrative that Ash was meant to win. This was POWERFUL stuff, this was basically Ash talking to every version of himself that failed that he was going to carry on their dreams. The fact he promised to carry on dreams of all those who failed AND STILL LOST makes the least narrative sense in any piece of media I've ever seen, I've EVER FUCKING SEEN.
And that's just everything you see in the source material itself, never mind all the Meta evidence like all the animators and show runners being pissed at the ending of the league on twitter, and senior staff straight up leaving production after that. You don't leave a show you've been working on for decades unless something has MASSIVELY pissed you off, and considering the reaction to the Kalos League Disaster, this was obviously it.

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