>>44599990>no following pokemon>only has new pokemon and the first couple of roots are filled with a handful of mostly uninteresting ones>tutorials and info dumps out the assI consider them the best first version games but there's a fair amount to hate, especially for veteran players. I think what really did them in with the casual crowd was being released at the end of the DS's life and resulting pokemon burnout, as well as the anime being awful. With that all buried and forgotten, more people are beginning to appreciate the good aspects of Gen 5, giving it cult-classic status.
