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Sadly, you won't ever have any productive discussions about pokemon here, OP. A majority of people here hate Pokemon as a whole yet still cling to this series, and either want to troll, shitpost or coom. Hell, I've seen better discussions on Youtube comment sections then this shithole. Wi-Fi generals that were big in the past are dead today while gachashit generals are the life force of this board. Ultimately, /vp/ is dead.