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All of modern Pokemon's problems started with these games when you think about it.
>introduced human characters that don't shut the fuck up when they're on screen
>introduced unskippable cutscenes
>introduced exp share
>introduced forced casualization by giving you a bunch of powerful mons like snorlax and lapras for free
>you get a legendary handed to you in victory road right before the E4
>every single battle can be trivialized by one Pokemon
>the map tells you where to go at all times so there's no sense of discovery
>super unoptimized and full of bugs and performance issues
>gave good Pokemon like Dragonair and Graveler shitty evolutions that don't even fit with the prior forms and barely look like Pokemon at all
When are we going to admit that these games started the downfall of the series?