>>30582443ok fine you aren't baiting, but i feel like second stage starters are really good often
frogadier is cool, braixen is cool, wartortle is pretty, croconaw has its supporters, i personally like servine more than serperior, dewott is largely seen as better than samurott, depending on who you ask torracat and or brionne are way better than their respective third stages, and we have people here in this thread who think ivysaur and charmeleon are better than their final stages.
