>>22740769Pokemon games in recent gens have done an excellent job of reducing dependency on HMs for exploration and progression. B/W were the best with this, but even X/Y's slight backstepping kept them far ahead of the shitfest that was R/S/E's three required Water HMs. And now, rather than bringing that terrible set of games into the modern era and trimming down on the fat, ORAS kept all three of them, and gave the middle finger to Rock Smash's former TM status. ORAS is shit, Hoennbaby.