Vs Lysandre:
Salvador leads against Mienshao, oneshotting with Psychic. Pyroar is next, set up Light Screen because the first Lysandre battle Fire Blast crit leaving Salvador on 1 HP, FB misses, set up Reflect and heal, two shot Pyroar with Psychic.Honchkrow emerges, one shot with zap plate boosted Thunderbolt. Gyarados comes out, Reflect goes back up, heal again, Thunderbolt does just enough to two shot.The only thing i was worried about was Gyarados since i knew it was only one shot before thanks to its duel typing, and i'm not confident Salvador could have tanked Aqua Tail without Reflect. If it had come to it, Xerneas would have probably done as good a job, but i'm glad it didn't.>>53820246I've already posted my take, but i don't wanna seem like i'm ignoring you.
>>53821944Just for Carnivine specifically, Egg Bomb provides better power than Vine Whip and better accuracy than Power Whip while also coming much sooner (in this scenario). It is a lot of work though.
>>53822428And i thought waiting for Flamethrower and Crunch were taking forever, that's about endgame. You know what else is stupid? Seviper, the pokemon with a knife for a tail, can't learn Cut, but Tenticool can.
That's why, if you think of it, you set it up ahead of time.