>>38770653Look, they have issues, but doing such horrid obvious min-maxing isn't the issue.
I actually use a Rhyperior with Solid Rock and an Assault Vest in a sand team. Is it insanely bulky? Arguably no but it still takes hits like a champ and shits all over just about anything it lands a hit on, and it does land some solid hits.
Slowking is also good, being NU doesn't mean something is bad. It just means that it's not used often. Donphan is used all the time in higher tiers and it's objectively pretty bad, and Quagsire is the definition of tiers being based only on usage considering it's common in OU yet technically PU.
I don't mind giving these guys buffs, I have an issue with poorly thought out buffs. For fucks sake, you can't justify what he did to Slowking with me. The entire POINT of Slowking is that it's stats mirror normal Slowbros, making it better than Slowbro for no reason other than "fuck you" is just fucking retarded.
For fucks sake Magmortar isn't even that bad. Overshadowed isn't the same as being terrible. It's a solid assvest user and can make good use of that attack if using a Quiet nature to get past certain special walls like Chansey or Blissey. And why does Dusknoir get prankster? It's the fucking grim reaper for crying out loud. Dusknoir is in need of a buff because it's one of my all time favorites but for fucks sake I don't want it to become min-maxed to hell and back. It's a bulky behemoth, it's perfect with Pressure. Combine that with Spite and it can cripple many things just by removing all their moves. All Dusknoir actually needs is reliable recovery and it'd be top tier.
The only one of these that's justifiable is Electrivire and even then I feel like you've missed the point of his design. And removing Motor Drive feels like a slap in the face since that was originally his signature ability.
I'm not denying they need buffs, I just have an issue with the "lower stats to raise others" buffs. We don't need more Ferros.
