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Anonymous Fri 19 Sep 2025 22:02:14 No.58273174 View View Report

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>>58270519
>Pokemon distribution
I've been thinking about this recently, and I think the issue many younger players seem have with the distribution is that Gen 2, and Gen 1 for that matter, made certain Pokemon rarer and hard to obtain in order to get the player to explore. Case & point, Chansey has a 1% encounter rate in the Safari Zone and can only be found there. Electabuzz and Magnemite are exclusive to the Power Plant, a completely optional area. GSC simply took this idea and applied it to the "newly-discovered species". Natu and Smeargle can only be obtained in the Ruins of Alph after obtaining Surf, Quilfish and Chinchou are fishing encounters, and Heracross and Pineco and found from headbutting trees. You get the idea, the Johto-mons were the reward for exploration. Compare that to modern Pokemon where catching almost anything you want is fairly trivial. I understand people preferring the modern style, but it's a shame that GSC's method is derided as "bad game design" just cause the modern fanbase isn't used to it.

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Anonymous Fri 19 Sep 2025 21:16:12 No.58272966 View View Report

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>>58272880
The things that people go insane over (Fire/Water/Thunder/Leaf Stone evolutions in GS being limited to Mystery Gift before post-game, some Gen II Pokémon being tied to post-game in Gen II, Gen I>II evolutions (specifically Crobat because that's the only one people will realistically ever want to use) not being obtainable before the National Pokédex in FRLG, Fire-types in DP) don't bother me at all.

It's actually funny to think about the FRLG one.
>Nobody complains about not being able to get baby Pokémon since it requires an evolution in the first place, and hardly anyone goes out of the way to get Hitmontop
>Nobody complains about Blissey because nobody uses Chansey in a regular playthrough anyway since it's pretty rare, has low Defense, appears relatively late in the game, and is tied to heavy RNG
>Nobody complains about Espeon and Umbreon because there's no day and night anyway
>Nobody complains about Politoed, Slowking, Steelix, Scizor, Kingdra, or Porygon2 because they're trade evolutions with specific items and people rarely care about certain items being post-game

It's just Crobat because Zubat and Golbat are common, Crobat's popular, and friendship naturally accumulates. Just like how people endlessly complain about Houndour not being in Johto but don't really care about Slugma outside of being a Fire-type. Or how Mareep makes or breaks Crystal for people.

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Anonymous Fri 19 Sep 2025 21:08:29 No.58272928 View View Report

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>>58272480
>It's always the best designed Johto mon which everyone wants to have on their team
no shit

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Anonymous Fri 19 Sep 2025 20:52:39 No.58272874 View View Report

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>>58262564
>All right, you're able to overrule Yuyama's autism and end Ash's journey at a more appropriate time. Where do you end it, how do you end it, and what successor show do you make to replace it?

Ideally the end of Johto. Transition into Hoenn with a new protagonist. But I wouldn't totally get rid of Ash necessarily. If you let the character just age then you could have him become a Brock like mentor figure to younger characters who are the main protagonists. Sort of like what they tried with Ash and Dawn in Sinnoh.

I know "be more like PokeSpe" is a meme but people who say that do often have a point.

If not the end of Johto then it has to be the end of XY.

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Anonymous Fri 19 Sep 2025 19:31:51 No.58272675 View View Report

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Still the peak of the series.

The Rocket plot isn't the main plot of the game. The plot of the game is catching up to Red's ghost as everyone keeps mentioning him (Oak, Team Rocket, Blue, Kanto gym leaders, random NPCs) until you literally face him atop Mt. Silver. Team Rocket being so lackluster is the entire point as you struggle to prove yourself against the feats of the last player character. Actual ludokino that most people don't understand.

You're constantly chasing a specter throughout the whole of Johto and Kanto. You keep hearing about what happened 3 years ago, about that prodigious kid who disbanded Team Rocket, you go to the old Kanto landsites and nothing is the same because of the influence he had, you're in the game discovering new Pokémon because all of the previous ones had already been discovered by him, you can't catch any of the Kanto legendaries because they had already been caught by him, and then finally once you have explored both regions and climbed the peak of the world's most dangerous mountain, who is there? The person you've been hearing about or whose effects you've experienced throughout the whole game.

Gen 2 is an actual experience and a monumental feat in both entertainment and ludonarrative

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Anonymous Fri 19 Sep 2025 19:26:39 No.58272663 View View Report

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>>58272480
because you get slugma in hgss in johto

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Anonymous Fri 19 Sep 2025 17:23:14 No.58272212 View View Report

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>>58272167
I think Sinnoh shares the best region design with Johto. It had the best champion at that time and probably still does. I like the sense of adventure you have in that region, especially Route 216 and 217 are among my favorite routes in the series.

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Anonymous Fri 19 Sep 2025 17:00:10 No.58272106 View View Report

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>>58272096
It's going to be the mega set 100%, not only is there nothing left for them to go over in johto but the release of the irl tcg mega set is on the same exact day that pocket changes season

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Anonymous Fri 19 Sep 2025 16:58:07 No.58272096 View View Report

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Will the next pack be something random like Shining Revelries and Eevee Grove? If so, my guess is that it will be a dragon focused pack that has trainers like Clair and Lance, since the previous Johto packs had barely any dragon type cards

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Anonymous Fri 19 Sep 2025 14:25:02 No.58271773 View View Report

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>>58270529
The whole reason poketubers can make interesting and well-viewed complaints about Johto is that none of the problems are things you would actually notice in the game.

From there, contrarians logically jump on the bandwagon.

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Anonymous Fri 19 Sep 2025 13:56:52 No.58271715 View View Report

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>>58270751
>Being so obsessed with Johto you had to make this thread

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Anonymous Fri 19 Sep 2025 09:27:06 No.58271037 View View Report

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>>58268323
I'd rather have them be new Pokemon. Re-using old Pokemon takes away from the identity of a region in my opinion. It's one of my main problems with the Johto, Sinnoh and Kalos regions.

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Anonymous Fri 19 Sep 2025 06:30:05 No.58270741 View View Report

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>>58270519
I replayed SoulSilver recently and I get it. The game carries a bunch of obnoxious problems from GSC and adds in new ones to boot. It's really questionable and it has the grating gen 4 engine on top of it. People say the level curve isn't an issue, but fighting shitmons for 90% of Johto kind of leaves you in an exp desert. It makes it tedious to run more than like three Pokemon. Part of the fun of playing the campaign is to see your Pokemon evolve and learn strong moves, so you end up limited in a lame way. None of the other games in the series have this issue which really underscores it. Also, it's still fucking baffling that the only easy stone you get is the Sun Stone. I don't get why they kept locking stones away when Gen 1 nailed it properly the first time around.

Also, some Pokemon still have movepool problems. Like Natu.

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Anonymous Fri 19 Sep 2025 06:05:09 No.58270680 View View Report

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>>58270652
I never really thought about it like that. I really like a lot of Johto's Pokémon, so I often find myself going on little sidequests to get them, and that tends to be my favorite part of the run. I guess I just don't really understand people who just use what's "optimal" instead of whatever they think is cool. Part of the joy of Pokemon to me is making niche picks work.
>>58270660
Funnily enough, Meganium happens to be my favorite Pokemon, so I've chosen Chikorita more times than I haven't (although I've had my fair share of Totodile and Cyndaquil runs), and I have not once struggled with this. If anything, I wholeheartedly find Chikorita to be the strongest option of the three in the context of a full team, although that may just be because I've used it so much. On paper it certainly seems like it'd be the hardest to use of the three, but I find in practice it does just fine against all the gyms, and it's easily the strongest starter to use against Whitney.

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Anonymous Fri 19 Sep 2025 05:39:34 No.58270616 View View Report

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>the horrible level curve is actually good
>99% of johto being shitmons is good
>Empty Kanto is good

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Anonymous Fri 19 Sep 2025 05:36:59 No.58270610 View View Report

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>>58270607
i blame the catch em all marketing shit from the pokemania days
boomers see a johto shitmon and go "holy shit a new pokemon i must catch it!!!"
modern fans see a johto shitmon and laugh at it

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Anonymous Fri 19 Sep 2025 05:29:58 No.58270596 View View Report

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>>58270594
The gym teams suck. Why the hell does Bugsy have a Kakuna and Metapod? Why not Ledyba and Spinirak? Why does Morty not have a Misdreavus? Why does Jasmine have 2 unevolved Magnemite and not a Magneton and a Skarmory or Foretress or anything? Why does Pryce have a Seel at GYM SEVEN when Jynx and Sneasel exist? Why does Chuck have two pokemon total at GYM SIX? They're almost all awful. Poorly put together teams with baffling decisions. By FAR the worst gyms in the entire series. And what does HG/SS do to fix this? Nothing. Not a thing. They're the same teams. 0 tweaks.

The movepools also suck. Every tolerable TM is in the postgame only, so you're stuck with a level up movepool.....which are designed with D/P/Pt's level curve in mind and not Johtos, so you get awful moves at level 30-40 because, in Sinnoh, thats like gym 5, but in Johto, thats Elite Four. You're going to be stuck with growl and tackle and 30 power moves on most pokemon.

Then, there's what i call bandaid fixes! These are when theres something so ass about gen 2 that they try to fix it, but fix it in a way that barely helps. Stones are AWFUL to get, so they made them easier....by locking them behind an awful set of mini games and only putting SOME of the stones there? Some pokemon are awful to get and you cant get some Gen 2 mons in Johto, so they fixed it...by putting them in an infuriatingly dull and overcomplicated Safari Zone you unlock SO late into the game that it barely matters. The Kanto postgame sucks and is too short, so they fixed it....by adding worthless filler.

2/2

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Anonymous Fri 19 Sep 2025 05:15:24 No.58270563 View View Report

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>>58270548
>The whole region uses only Kanto/Johto mons. Everything's weak, so nothing's weak.
I just never had an issue with using suboptimal Pokemon anyway. Hell, I think it makes the run a lot more interesting. I've done full teams of super unorthodox Pokemon, figuring out how to play around them is super rewarding.
Also, another criticism I hear a lot is that a lot of Johto's Pokemon are off the beaten path, but to me than just means finding new team members is an adventure in and of itself. I remember feeling super awesome when I found Natu for the first time.

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Anonymous Fri 19 Sep 2025 05:14:16 No.58270561 View View Report

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>>58270508
Would you remind the thread who Ash took with him to Alola?
Hint: it's the same one he took to Kalos, Unova, Sinnoh, Hoenn, and Johto.

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Anonymous Fri 19 Sep 2025 05:05:22 No.58270548 View View Report

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>>58270519
I've been playing through it and have been enjoying it pretty well, honestly.
>Level curve
A little offbeat, yeah, but it's not totally unmanageable. For me the main pain point is how miserably low wild 'mons are, even later in the game. It makes adding a new addition to your team and actually trying to bring them up to speed suck. Gym leaders and the like, I've yet to really have a struggle level-wise (and even then, I have more mons in total, so it evens out).
>Distribution
Distribution is fine, it's just fags who don't want to try anything that isn't their favorite.
>b-b-but johto mons are so weak!!
The whole region uses only Kanto/Johto mons. Everything's weak, so nothing's weak.
>Kanto
Been forever since I really did Kanto, so I can't definitively say.
>Time-gated events
Are based. Bug-Catching Contest, Lapras Friday, so on so forth, all make the world feel alive.
>Evo stones
You pretty much said everything that needed to be said there.

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Anonymous Fri 19 Sep 2025 04:49:51 No.58270523 View View Report

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>>58270448
sure but i mean its ALWAYS johto
is there some inferiority complex shit going on here

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Anonymous Fri 19 Sep 2025 04:12:34 No.58270435 View View Report

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>>58268659
>johto out of nowhere
what is it with hoennbabs and deflecting to johto

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Anonymous Fri 19 Sep 2025 02:02:43 No.58270117 View View Report

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>>58270049
Johto and Hoenn have the perfect balance between variety and identity. OG DP Sinnoh Dex was a bit flawed because it was only 151 mons but didn’t include all of the new Pokemon and most people wouldn’t use old stuff on their first go if they weren’t favorites

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Anonymous Fri 19 Sep 2025 01:28:14 No.58269992 View View Report

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Was the series really originally supposed to end at johto?

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Anonymous Thu 18 Sep 2025 22:20:44 No.58269455 View View Report

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Bros why do we hate johto so much it was the first pokemon game I beat as a kid

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