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Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 01:08:27 No.11778797 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>11778888 >>11782712 >>11782713

>tfw Tropius has shit stats but its design is too complex to get an evolution

Any Tropius fans feel the pain?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 01:14:24 No.11778866 Report

Quoted By: >>11778913

I just looked at my bros stats for the first time.

None are over 100? Fuck you Gamefreak

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 01:17:01 No.11778887 Report

Quoted By: >>11778913

Yes. I only recently started looking at stats. I realized that some of my favorite Pokemon are shitty and Pokemon I thought sucked are actually pretty good... fuck.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 01:17:15 No.11778888 Report

Quoted By: >>11778904 >>11778909

>>11778797
>its design is too complex to get an evolution
it didn't stop them from making rhyperior

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 01:17:42 No.11778891 Report

Quoted By: >>11779046

>give it a defensive stat spread
>shit defensive typing
>shit offensive stats
>amazing offensive ability and boosting moves

Conflicting qualities general?

Ark !NSZEKROMKo

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Ark !NSZEKROMKo Tue 26 Mar 2013 01:18:42 No.11778904 Report

Quoted By: >>11778946

>>11778888
nice dubs-dubs-quads.

on a side note

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 01:19:01 No.11778909 Report

Quoted By: >>11778946

>>11778888
Rhydon wasn't that complex.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 01:19:40 No.11778913 Report

Quoted By: >>11778933 >>11778956 >>11780617

>>11778866
>>11778887

Stats aren't necessarily what make pokemon good or bad. If you can use a pokemon with bad stats effectively more times than not, is it really shitty?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 01:21:18 No.11778933 Report

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>>11778913
Stats are pretty important, Tropius is okay, you can do a subseed+harvest set but its let down by its typing and lack of speed.

Skill and strategy are important but can only make up for stats so much.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 01:22:19 No.11778946 Report

Quoted By: >>11778964 >>11779005

>>11778909
neither is tropius in that case

>>11778904
>I got dubs-dubs-quads
welp, this must be my greatest achievement in life.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 01:22:34 No.11778949 Report

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I don't do online battling, so he's pretty cool to use in game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 01:22:57 No.11778956 Report

Quoted By: >>11778982

>>11778913
>/vp/ competitive pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 01:23:27 No.11778964 Report

Quoted By: >>11778993

>>11778946
Tropius has a pretty busy design, Rhydon was just a biped with a drill horn.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 01:24:41 No.11778982 Report

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>>11778956

I like your style. You understand what's important.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 01:25:55 No.11778993 Report

Quoted By: >>11780205

>>11778964
it's not really a busy design, the most complex thing it has going for him are his leafs, meanwhile rhydon has lots of segments

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 01:27:00 No.11779005 Report

Quoted By: >>11779831

>>11778946
Rhydon was overdesigned, not complex.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 01:30:57 No.11779046 Report

Quoted By: >>11779548

>>11778891
>give it 50/140/80 defences
>two of the worst defensive types in the game
>amazing offensive STABS and shell smash
>no fucking speed or attack

Fuck you GameFreak

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 01:54:32 No.11779365 Report

Quoted By: >>11779465 >>11779483

>mfw all the pokemon that need or deserve evos won't get them in XY

dicks

dicks Tue 26 Mar 2013 02:01:25 No.11779465 Report

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>>11779365
MFW Feebas, I mean Armaldo, deserves a new evolution.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 02:02:51 No.11779483 Report

Quoted By: >>11779601

>>11779365
How exactly does a pokemon "deserve" an evolution?

also Kopaka fuck yeah

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 02:08:36 No.11779548 Report

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>>11779046
>high as fuck hp
>nearly zero defences
>mixed offensive stats
>offences arr unfairly capped because of its redundantly bloated hp

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 02:12:34 No.11779601 Report

Quoted By: >>11779618

>>11779483
Lewa was the best.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 02:14:05 No.11779618 Report

Quoted By: >>11779629

>>11779601
Lewa was the best original, Kopaka was the best Nuva

dicks

dicks Tue 26 Mar 2013 02:14:35 No.11779629 Report

Quoted By:

>>11779618
Armaldo is best Feebas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 02:22:04 No.11779702 Report

Quoted By:

Tropius was always shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 02:26:13 No.11779749 Report

Quoted By: >>11779772

I want a pre-evolution

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 02:28:08 No.11779772 Report

Quoted By: >>11779798

>>11779749
Tropius' stats are nearly the equivalent of a prevo. Maybe we'll get both like the Roserade line.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 02:31:16 No.11779798 Report

Quoted By: >>11779830

>>11779772
that would be cool

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 02:35:00 No.11779830 Report

Quoted By: >>11780101

>>11779798
Maybe the third could be grass/dragon? Hoenn already has two lines that arent dragon at the beginning but end up dragon at the end. It would still be 4x weak to ice, and chlorophyll basically makes it a sun-Kingdra

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 02:35:10 No.11779831 Report

Quoted By:

>>11779005
>rhydon
>overdesigned

No, fuck you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 02:48:01 No.11779936 Report

Quoted By: >>11779958

Rhydon can't be an overdesigned pokemon because he was the first, and thus set the bar for design complexity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 02:51:09 No.11779958 Report

Quoted By: >>11780078 >>11780144

>>11779936
This guy knows whats up.

However wouldn't that make most gen 1 pokemon underdesigned?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 03:02:25 No.11780078 Report

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>>11779958
Yeah, which is why nostalgiafags deem anything new overdesigned.
Compared to the simple designs of gen 1 anything with the slightest detail seems overdesigned.
They don't realize that because of the graphical limitations that the first gen had to be simple, otherwise anything with too complex of a design would look like a mess of pixels.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 03:04:49 No.11780101 Report

Quoted By: >>11780181

>>11779830
>sun-Kingdra
That shit is going to Ubers

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 03:09:14 No.11780143 Report

Quoted By: >>11780158

I still think Sky Drop would be amazing on Tropius combined with Leech Seed+Harvest.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 03:09:26 No.11780144 Report

Quoted By: >>11780165 >>11780180 >>11780536

>>11779958
graphical limitations affect the sprites, not necessarily the concepts

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 03:10:47 No.11780158 Report

Quoted By: >>11780201

>>11780143
Sky drop is amazing on any staller because it's pretty much a dead turn for free paddive damage.

Too bad the move is banned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 03:11:50 No.11780165 Report

Quoted By:

>>11780144
Which makes it strange that you posted that image, considering it ignores the concepts in both.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 03:14:02 No.11780180 Report

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>>11780144
But what are the sprites based on? The concept couldn't differ from the sprites too much so they still had to be relatively simple. And which did you see more, concept artwork or sprites?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 03:14:07 No.11780181 Report

Quoted By: >>11780215

>>11780101
How?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 03:17:00 No.11780201 Report

Quoted By: >>11780227

>>11780158
Not online, hue.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 03:17:21 No.11780205 Report

Quoted By: >>11780562

>>11778993
>Sauropod
>Also a tree
>neck leaves
>back leaves
>those are also wings
>some kind of leaf helmet
>did i mention it has bananas yeah its a banana tree
I love Tropius but it is kind of psychedelic how many things are thrown in there. It's like some mad fever dream idea.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 03:17:35 No.11780210 Report

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I would ecstatic if lanturn got an evo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 03:17:55 No.11780215 Report

Quoted By: >>11783244

>>11780181
1. Growth
2. Better bulk
3. Solarbeam is 100acc while hydropump is 85acc

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 03:19:07 No.11780227 Report

Quoted By: >>11780303

>>11780201
I thought it was banned in both smogon and official formats because of the glitch?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 03:28:29 No.11780303 Report

Quoted By: >>11780317 >>11780318

>>11780227
Not in smogon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 03:30:02 No.11780317 Report

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>>11780303
Well I mean it's not for normal Smogon Singles. It is for VGC, and WiFi Random Matches, but only because those are meant to emulate the actual versions as accurately as possible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 03:30:09 No.11780318 Report

Quoted By: >>11780352 >>11780407

>>11780303
Nope. Smogon banned too. Read its analysis

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 03:33:08 No.11780352 Report

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>>11780318
It's legal in NU, RU, UU, OU, and Ubers at the very least. Those are the standard smogon formats.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 03:38:30 No.11780407 Report

Quoted By: >>11780419 >>11780428

>>11780318
I think it's only banned if used in conjunction with Gravity. On it's own it's a pretty shit move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 03:39:24 No.11780419 Report

Quoted By:

>>11780407
Its a good stall move. A free turn of passive damage is highly underrated. I use it over brave bird on my Skarmory.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 03:40:14 No.11780428 Report

Quoted By:

>>11780407
But combined with Toxic/T-spikes/Leech Seed it's great.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 03:40:50 No.11780437 Report

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>Tropius will never be good

equinox a !!upLBjf5UP/4

equinox a !!upLBjf5UP/4 Tue 26 Mar 2013 03:51:39 No.11780536 Report

Quoted By:

>>11780144
The funny thing is I would play with both.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 03:52:18 No.11780542 Report

Quoted By: >>11780585

Does Tropius use its wings to fly like a plane or a helicopter?
I've always envisioned a heli, myself

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 03:54:32 No.11780562 Report

Quoted By:

>>11780205
Are you high? It's really not that 'busy'.
Next you'll be saying Ditto has too much shading.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 03:56:48 No.11780585 Report

Quoted By: >>11780626

>>11780542
Have you never seen a 3D model of it? It fly's like a bird.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 04:00:25 No.11780617 Report

Quoted By: >>11780642 >>11781384

>>11778913
>This is what karenfags actually believe
>inb4 smogonfag

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 04:01:17 No.11780626 Report

Quoted By:

>>11780585
No, I haven't
But I won't go searching for it now
I'm keeping my helicopter dinosaur image for as long as I can
I fucking love Tropius

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 04:03:34 No.11780642 Report

Quoted By: >>11783343

>>11780617
>what are typings, movepools, and abilities

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 04:04:48 No.11780651 Report

Quoted By:

Tropius is one of my favorites, I really hope it gets beefed up. I mean what was the point of adding them if they're going to have no gimmick, no evolution line, and no good stats?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 05:50:11 No.11781384 Report

Quoted By: >>11783969

>>11780617
Cacturne has shit defence and speed yet it can still sweep with swords dance + sucker punch. Stats aren't everything.

They're IMPORTANT, but there are other equally important factors.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 12:07:36 No.11782664 Report

Quoted By: >>11782788

Is Tropius a bananasaurus or a brontonana?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 12:12:31 No.11782679 Report

Quoted By: >>11782693 >>11782725

>Tropius fans

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 12:17:49 No.11782693 Report

Quoted By:

>>11782679
;__; rude we exist

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 12:25:05 No.11782712 Report

Quoted By: >>11782803

>>11778797

It's hardly too complicated to change his leafy wings into helicopter style rotor blades.

If they really want to get something impressive though they could base the leaf wing design on DaVinci's helicopter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 12:25:32 No.11782713 Report

Quoted By: >>11782719

>>11778797
Tropius is no more complex than Rhydon

If Rhydon got an Evo, so can Tropius

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 12:27:27 No.11782719 Report

Quoted By:

>>11782713
No to mention hsi BSt
460 is low

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 12:29:41 No.11782725 Report

Quoted By: >>11782809 >>11782814

>>11782679
Ultimate HM slave

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 12:33:49 No.11782739 Report

Quoted By: >>11783674

>Tropius will never be a dragon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 12:53:14 No.11782788 Report

Quoted By:

>>11782664
The former

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 12:59:29 No.11782803 Report

Quoted By: >>11782805

>>11782712
>Grass-type helicopter
>Maple trees have helicopter leaves
>maple
>Canada
Canada-type confirmed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 13:00:23 No.11782805 Report

Quoted By: >>11782813

>>11782803
>red maple leaf helicopter dinosaur evolution
Get hype

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 13:02:07 No.11782809 Report

Quoted By: >>11783672

>>11782725
>Ultimate HM slave
>can't learn Surf
>in Hoenn
Nope, pretty sure Bibarel is the ultimate HM slave. His STAB HMs even can do some damage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 13:03:58 No.11782813 Report

Quoted By: >>11782818

>>11782805
B-but muh dragon evo!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 13:04:35 No.11782814 Report

Quoted By: >>11782817

>>11782725
>ultimate HM slave
>learns Cut, Strength, and Fly
>ultimate

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 13:05:22 No.11782817 Report

Quoted By: >>11782820

>>11782814
>teaching the bananasaurus hms
>ishiggydiggy

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 13:05:34 No.11782818 Report

Quoted By: >>11782823 >>11782828

>>11782813
>implying it won't be a giant dragon disguised as a red maple leaf.
Like a Canadian Voltorb. But a dragon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 13:06:14 No.11782820 Report

Quoted By:

>>11782817
>reading comprehension
>what is it
>le shig

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 13:08:02 No.11782823 Report

Quoted By:

>>11782818
I don't know why, but I just imagined a tree that is covered in bright leaves. Suddenly the leaves begin to move and sway but there's no breeze. Before you know it they're moving at you, and suddenly you realize those aren't leaves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 13:09:45 No.11782828 Report

Quoted By: >>11782836 >>11782929 >>11783147

>>11782818
So Tropius, but with red jagged leaves and the leaves are rotors instead of wings? And its a dragon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 13:18:09 No.11782836 Report

Quoted By:

>>11782828
Will it actually have moves though?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 13:56:50 No.11782929 Report

Quoted By:

>>11782828
XY (pr)evo bingo anyone?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 14:35:37 No.11783109 Report

Quoted By: >>11783126 >>11783183

It will get one in XY after they add the fairy type

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 14:39:03 No.11783126 Report

Quoted By:

>>11783109
Oh shit you just went full nostalgia

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 14:44:12 No.11783147 Report

Quoted By: >>11783197

>>11782828
So a Helitropter?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 14:51:33 No.11783183 Report

Quoted By:

>>11783109
Ooooooh, bananaaaa.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 14:53:44 No.11783197 Report

Quoted By:

>>11783147
It could work, cross gen evos always change the concept.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 15:03:18 No.11783244 Report

Quoted By: >>11783260

>>11780215
>implying grass is anywhere near as good as water as an offensive type
>implying grass gets boosted by sun

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 15:04:16 No.11783251 Report

Quoted By:

Grass/flying is shit for typing anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 15:05:52 No.11783260 Report

Quoted By: >>11783308 >>11783363

>>11783244
Water is a defensive type...

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 15:18:50 No.11783308 Report

Quoted By:

>>11783260
Its both dingus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 15:27:20 No.11783343 Report

Quoted By: >>11783346

>>11780642
>implying it won't get OHKOd no problem, regardless of typing.

Sure, use your favorite pokemon. But don't complain if they get destroyed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 15:27:51 No.11783346 Report

Quoted By: >>11783351

>>11783343
And yes I replied to a post 11 hours ago, I do what I want.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 15:29:36 No.11783351 Report

Quoted By: >>11783371

>>11783346
>using personal pronouns
Also I dont think he was speaking specifically about tropius

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 15:32:09 No.11783363 Report

Quoted By:

>>11783260
>tell that to hydro pump in the rain

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 15:34:40 No.11783371 Report

Quoted By: >>11783380

>>11783351
I was responding to myself you dunce.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 15:36:08 No.11783380 Report

Quoted By:

>>11783371
I meant the 11 hour old post

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 16:08:11 No.11783497 Report

Quoted By: >>11783601 >>11783626 >>11783659

What would a tropius evo look like without looking extremely silly, over designed or like a hydra-chimera thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 16:27:02 No.11783601 Report

Quoted By:

>>11783497
Make the leaves red, slightly jagged or crinkled and tada first grass/dragon of pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 16:31:13 No.11783626 Report

Quoted By: >>11783640

>>11783497
How about its evo changes direction completely?
Its leaves and fruits wilt, it becomes aggressive and its flying type becomes poison?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 16:33:51 No.11783640 Report

Quoted By:

>>11783626
Cross gen evos always change. It could wilt, it could have its leaves change like its autumn, tons of stuff

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 16:36:37 No.11783659 Report

Quoted By:

>>11783497
That's a pretty kawaii tropius.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 16:38:36 No.11783672 Report

Quoted By: >>11783840

>>11782809
>>Bibarel
>>cant even fly

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 16:38:54 No.11783674 Report

Quoted By: >>11783810

>>11782739

>Every reptilian like pokemon MUST be a dragon

Dragon-fags are the fucking worst.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 16:56:06 No.11783810 Report

Quoted By:

>>11783674
Winged sauropod fits grass dragon better than grass flying.

Also I'm a tropius fan, not a dragonfag

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 16:59:47 No.11783840 Report

Quoted By:

>>11783672
>needing fly
>in Sinnoh
Herpdederp
You're literally five minutes through a cave from anywhere no matter where you are in the region.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 17:24:03 No.11783969 Report

Quoted By: >>11784028

>>11781384
Where can Cacturne sweep? Not in OU or UU, that's for sure

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 17:30:23 No.11784028 Report

Quoted By: >>11784190

>>11783969
Cacturne can sweep anywhere but ubers, mostly because he uses subSD in combination with stab sucker punch which is entirely based around predicting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 17:48:47 No.11784190 Report

Quoted By: >>11784764

>>11784028
If you call that a sweep, then any pokemon with a boosting move can sweep

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Mar 2013 19:10:10 No.11784764 Report

Quoted By:

>>11784190
Not really, can volbeat sweep? Can Magcargo sweep? Cacturne can sweep whole teams just by being a substitute + suckerpunching faggot

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