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RNG in Pokemon.

Anonymous Wed 03 Apr 2013 15:08:39 No.11861409 View View Reply Original Report

How does anyone take "competitive" or online Pokemon even remotely seriously when it's bogged down by so much RNG? The prevalence of RNG mechanics completely negates any "skill" or "strategy" that competitive Pokemon may require.

>Accuracy
>Evasion (admittedly banned in competitive play)
>Critical Hit
>Sleep/Freeze duration
>Confusion/Paralysis
>Flinching
>Moves that have a % chance to apply a secondary effect
>Multi-strike moves (unless Skill Link is used)
>Held Items (Quick Claw, Focus Band, King's Rock, etc)
>Abilities (Cursed Body, Poison Touch, Wonder Skin, etc)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Apr 2013 15:13:33 No.11861434 Report

Quoted By: >>11861469

Dealing with luck is a skill

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Apr 2013 15:14:36 No.11861437 Report

Quoted By: >>11861469 >>11861530

Well with most things competitive, there's always the element of chance.
The point is to try and minimize on the chances of RNG playing a factor in your win.
Which is why most Paraflinch sets are not used so often in higher tiers, because it relies heavily on chance.
It's a mixture of skill and a bit of luck, but most teams try to lower the chances of luck deciding a win or a loss.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Apr 2013 15:14:44 No.11861438 Report

Quoted By: >>11861469

>the existence of rng != the complete absence of all skill and strategy

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Apr 2013 15:16:51 No.11861452 Report

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>>11861409
Adaptability to unpredictable or uncertain circumstances is a kind of skill too, you know. Something as insipid as pokemon isn't exactly the beat-all/end-all example of that, but it does still apply.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Apr 2013 15:17:42 No.11861458 Report

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Its like magic the gathering or something or rolling dice, just because its random doesn't mean it can't be skillful

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Apr 2013 15:19:06 No.11861469 Report

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>>11861434
>>11861437
>>11861438

These three posts are spot on in their own way. At the end of the day, all you really need to deal with is Stone Edge and Focus Blast misses, and the occasional critical hit. You have to assume the worst when it comes to sleep, and freezes come once in a blue moon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Apr 2013 15:20:42 No.11861482 Report

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>>11861409
No body uses the luck based held items. I remember that Battle for Wesnoth (a turn based strategy game with units and terrain) had a luck-less mod. Instead of terrain increasing a unit's ability to dodge attack (elves get 70% evasion in forests for example), it would just reduce the damage. So, a unit with 40% evasion would instead always be hit, but hit for 40% less damage.
So, if we could apply that to Pokemon, moves with less than 100% acc would have their damage reduced appropiately. Critical hits would be expunged, with them occurring at the appropiate time (normal hits every 16 turns, Night Slash variants every 8 turns etc.). Thus, the problem of defence boosts is solved, while still allowing for 'normal" damage output.
Another way would be for every attack a counter would be increased, (1 for normal attacks, 2 for high-crit attacks etc.) and when it reached 16, the hit would be a critical.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Apr 2013 15:21:41 No.11861489 Report

Quoted By: >>11861502 >>11861519

OP here.

I didn't mean that any hint of RNG in a game means it's all about luck and requires no skill/strategy. The reason I have a problem with RNG in Pokemon is because it's EVERYWHERE and extremely noticeable no matter how you build a team. That's when luck starts to water things down.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Apr 2013 15:22:56 No.11861502 Report

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>>11861489
Except that isn't conpletely true. A well made team is going to destroy a bad team 99% of the time regardless of rng.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Apr 2013 15:24:34 No.11861519 Report

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>>11861489
Yes, we all hate Focus Miss and Stone Miss, which is why I wish they made a widely distributed 80 or 90 base power 100% acc Rock and Special Fighting move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Apr 2013 15:26:57 No.11861530 Report

Quoted By: >>11861615

>>11861437
The main reason paraflinch isn't used in the higher tiers is because the users of it suck, if for instance Shaymin Sky were allowed back in OU it would be everywhere.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Apr 2013 15:39:14 No.11861615 Report

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>>11861530
First Pokemon unanimously banned to Ubers with no testing period. 60% happens a lot more that people think.

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