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Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:08:12 No.11895153 View View Reply Original Report

ITT: Things you think will be removed or added in Pokemon X/Y

>Removed
"Spinners"

>Added
A Gen 1 style checkpoint before Victory Road

James Gamefreak

James Gamefreak Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:09:52 No.11895167 Report

Quoted By: >>11895246

I know it won't happen, but;

>Removed
Version Exclusives, Event Legendaries

Hypno

Hypno Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:11:03 No.11895182 Report

Quoted By: >>11897452 >>11897604

Removed:
>difficulty (now piss-easy)
Added
>Cosplaying Faggots v. 3.0
>Handholding everywhere

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:12:46 No.11895199 Report

Quoted By: >>11895260

Why would they remove spinners? That's the worst idea ever

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:17:18 No.11895246 Report

Quoted By: >>11895449

>>11895167
Maybe not the Version Exclusives, but event legendaries seem to be going the way of online distribution.

I hope that those legendaries get a massive in game event or something, rather than a Pokemon just appearing in your party or something.

I think the berry/ food concept will be expanded. Making them raise stats like Carbos and Protein and shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:18:48 No.11895260 Report

Quoted By: >>11895305

>>11895199
With the new character models, spinners would just look super weird

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:20:54 No.11895285 Report

Quoted By:

>Removed
After-Game Difficulty selector (Make it an option before the game begins and allow it to be toggled freely)
>Added
Battle Frontier (please God, give us this.)

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:21:07 No.11895288 Report

Quoted By: >>11895439

>Every starter is fire/ fighting

My dream

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:23:05 No.11895296 Report

Quoted By: >>11895313

Where there even spinners in Gen VI?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:24:52 No.11895305 Report

Quoted By: >>11895319 >>11895328

>>11895260
Wait, do you mean spinners as in pokémon that use rapid spin?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:25:24 No.11895313 Report

Quoted By: >>11895841

>>11895296
*Gen V

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:25:52 No.11895316 Report

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>Removed
I don't know

>Added
Vs.Seeker come back.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:26:21 No.11895319 Report

Quoted By:

>>11895305
No...
Trainers that spin around randomly

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:27:15 No.11895328 Report

Quoted By:

>>11895305
I think he means those spinny tiles used in Fuego Ironworks and other places.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:32:53 No.11895374 Report

Quoted By: >>11895427 >>11895778

>Removed
Wonder Launcher and I hope Dreamworld
>Added
Fire/Grass/Water starter exclusive moves that become more powerful as they become friendlier

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:36:32 No.11895406 Report

Quoted By: >>11895410 >>11895434

>cutting out the rest of the comic

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:37:05 No.11895410 Report

Quoted By: >>11895426

>>11895406

OP confirmed for Fennekinfag.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:39:03 No.11895426 Report

Quoted By: >>11895448 >>11897403

>>11895410
Fenneking is guaranteed to be the best starter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:39:04 No.11895427 Report

Quoted By: >>11895432 >>11895438

>>11895374
Upgradeable moves sounds cool.
>Froakie learned Water Gun!
>Froakie evolves and Water Gun upgrades to Hydro Pump!
>Froakie evolves again and Hydro Pump upgrades to Hydro Cannon!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:39:42 No.11895432 Report

Quoted By:

>>11895427
>Hydro Pump
>an upgrade
No. Bubblebeam, then Surf, yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:39:59 No.11895434 Report

Quoted By: >>11897456

>>11895406
Sorry, I just grabbed it off Google Images.
Never read Brawl in the Family in my life.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:40:21 No.11895438 Report

Quoted By:

>>11895427
>implying going from hydro pump to hydro cannon is an upgrade

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:40:46 No.11895439 Report

Quoted By:

>>11895288
This. Now all the starters can be equally good.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:41:44 No.11895447 Report

Quoted By: >>11897635

>Chespin
>Squirrel

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:42:02 No.11895448 Report

Quoted By: >>11895466

>>11895426

If you're a furfaggot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:42:10 No.11895449 Report

Quoted By: >>11895481

>>11895246
Like the Celebi shit in HGSS? That was awesome. If only ever event would unlock something like that.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:44:04 No.11895466 Report

Quoted By: >>11895492 >>11895498

>>11895448
I am. I don't care

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:45:18 No.11895478 Report

Quoted By: >>11895491 >>11895509

Imagine how fun the game would be not knowing what your Pokemon will evolve into?

I have never played a Pokemon game without already knowing the entire dex

I really want to go in totally blind but i know Im gonna cheat and look at Fennekin and Froakie's 3rd stage to decide which one i'll pick

definitely happy about the first stages though. Best looking combined group of starters since gen 2

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:45:53 No.11895481 Report

Quoted By:

>>11895449
The Giratina event in HGSS was fucking incredible too. Vastly blew away my expectations.
If they do go online for distributing all event pokemon, at least everyone will have a chance to experience those crazy good events.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:47:31 No.11895491 Report

Quoted By: >>11895499 >>11895502 >>11895519 >>11895822

>>11895478
>implying

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:47:36 No.11895492 Report

Quoted By: >>11895511

>>11895466
whats yore fursona

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:48:16 No.11895498 Report

Quoted By: >>11895507

>>11895466

Fennekin is shit-tier furbait though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:48:35 No.11895499 Report

Quoted By:

>>11895491
They are good for battling yes but Aesthetically they really leave much to be desired

Im talking about just the way they look

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:48:49 No.11895502 Report

Quoted By: >>11895508

>>11895491
>oh cool, another Fire/Flying starter
>. . .
>what the fuck is this retarded overgrown piece of poultry?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:49:26 No.11895507 Report

Quoted By:

>>11895498
Im not a furfag but Im probably going to pick Fennekin if it becomes a psychic type

Assuming you are troll though so dont know why im bothering

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:49:26 No.11895508 Report

Quoted By:

>>11895502
Nice try Charizard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:49:38 No.11895509 Report

Quoted By: >>11895524

>>11895478
>Choosing a starter without knowing the designs, movepool and stats

That would be nerve wracking. Yes, I realize how autistic that sounds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:49:58 No.11895511 Report

Quoted By: >>11895523 >>11896370

>>11895492
I'm just in it for the porn

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:50:23 No.11895519 Report

Quoted By: >>11895822

>>11895491
Treecko line is cool
Mudkip line is cool
Torchic and Combusken are cool, Blaziken is a trainwreck

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:50:37 No.11895523 Report

Quoted By:

>>11895511
I see

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:50:41 No.11895524 Report

Quoted By: >>11895536 >>11895566

>>11895509
So you never played Pokemon as a kid, not knowing which starter would go where?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:51:04 No.11895527 Report

Quoted By: >>11895532 >>11895555 >>11895591 >>11896326 >>11896342

I want them to add these as the starter's final evolutions

>dat Chespin

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:51:42 No.11895532 Report

Quoted By:

>>11895527
Those look retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:52:00 No.11895536 Report

Quoted By:

>>11895524
Yes, I did that for the first three gens. I'm over it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:52:48 No.11895546 Report

Quoted By: >>11895556

Do the actual Pokemon designers not do any interviews or something?

I never see any comments from why the Pokemon designers decided to make certain Pokemon certain types or what Pokemon they really like and what Pokemon they wish didn't become official

Has no one really ever asked them in an interview why they made three fire/figting starters in a row?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:53:33 No.11895555 Report

Quoted By:

>>11895527

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:53:41 No.11895556 Report

Quoted By: >>11895573

>>11895546
Fire/Fighting makes the best starter though. I wouldn't mind if they did a fourth

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:54:30 No.11895566 Report

Quoted By:

>>11895524
I played every single Pokemon game but it was always a few months after they came out so I already knew all the Pokemon

I was never that big of a fan until I got older. When I was a teenager I always acted like I was too cool for Pokemon until my urges eventually led me to play each version anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:55:07 No.11895573 Report

Quoted By: >>11895594 >>11895595 >>11895599

>>11895556
Its a good typing yes, but 3 in a row seems a little much

You didnt answer my question though so please stop replying to my posts

Stacy !j74tTFj3D6

Stacy !j74tTFj3D6 Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:55:30 No.11895578 Report

Quoted By:

Fire/Dark please.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:56:36 No.11895591 Report

Quoted By: >>11895600

>>11895527
Those look like enemies from DQ. I like this Chespin evo line.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:56:50 No.11895594 Report

Quoted By:

>>11895573
They made 5 Normal regional rodents before, but you don't seem to mind. 5 Normal/Flying regional birds too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:56:52 No.11895595 Report

Quoted By: >>11895613

>>11895573
>You didnt answer my question though so please stop replying to my posts

Not him, but you're a faggot. When you whine like that, don't expect any serious replies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:57:28 No.11895599 Report

Quoted By: >>11895619

>>11895573
>Heads, another Fire/Fighting
>Tails, we don't make another one.

Stacy !j74tTFj3D6

Stacy !j74tTFj3D6 Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:57:50 No.11895600 Report

Quoted By: >>11895642

>>11895591
>Grass/Fire

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:58:00 No.11895602 Report

Quoted By:

Its pretty obvious that Chespins red tail tip will bloom into some kind of plant/flower

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:58:38 No.11895613 Report

Quoted By:

>>11895595
haha UMAD

Learn how to handle banter kiddo

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 06:59:19 No.11895619 Report

Quoted By: >>11895631 >>11896013

>>11895599
Rosencrantz and Guildenstern work for GameFreak now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 07:01:16 No.11895631 Report

Quoted By: >>11895741

>>11895619
I love you

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 07:02:56 No.11895642 Report

Quoted By: >>11895652

>>11895600
>Grass/Fire
What it looks like Grass/Fighting if anything.

Stacy !j74tTFj3D6

Stacy !j74tTFj3D6 Sat 06 Apr 2013 07:04:05 No.11895652 Report

Quoted By: >>11896212

>>11895642
Do you not see that cigarette butt of a tail?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 07:12:28 No.11895741 Report

Quoted By: >>11895774

I could see them bringing back Join Avenue in some form.

>>11895631
I knew someone would get it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 07:17:08 No.11895774 Report

Quoted By:

>>11895741
I will bare your children and dedicate my life to serving you, you magnificent anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 07:17:17 No.11895778 Report

Quoted By:

>>11895374
Dreamworld would be great if it was mobile

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 07:18:54 No.11895790 Report

Quoted By:

I'd love for them to add something like a giant shopping centre where you can battle, buy shit and play minigames.
And the mall is massively populated via WFC.

>chilling out in the food court with my pokebros and my real bros
>sippin' on jamba juice

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 07:22:29 No.11895822 Report

Quoted By: >>11895840 >>11895897

>>11895491
I agree with >>11895519
I love every single stage in the Gen III starters expect for fucking Blaziken. It doesn't even have anything that relates to a chicken at all.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 07:24:30 No.11895840 Report

Quoted By:

>>11895822

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 07:24:34 No.11895841 Report

Quoted By:

>>11895313
yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 07:30:37 No.11895897 Report

Quoted By: >>11895906 >>11895907 >>11895915 >>11895947

>>11895822
But it's a kickboxing chickens. Are chickens in real life kickboxers?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 07:32:14 No.11895906 Report

Quoted By:

>>11895897

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 07:32:15 No.11895907 Report

Quoted By:

>>11895897
Kind of.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 07:33:20 No.11895915 Report

Quoted By:

>>11895897
Some roosters are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 07:37:51 No.11895947 Report

Quoted By:

>>11895897
Ever been to Mexico?

TotalBro !79ILLStdco

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TotalBro !79ILLStdco Sat 06 Apr 2013 07:38:55 No.11895956 Report

Quoted By: >>11895963 >>11895967

Blaziken is based off of a shamo chicken

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 07:39:51 No.11895961 Report

Quoted By:

>>11895948
That picture is of no help. Google images however.... holy shit blazikens are real.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 07:40:01 No.11895963 Report

Quoted By:

>>11895956
What the fuck

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 07:40:46 No.11895965 Report

Quoted By:

I want this now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 07:40:59 No.11895967 Report

Quoted By: >>11895974

>>11895956
that chicken makes me nervous

TotalBro !79ILLStdco

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TotalBro !79ILLStdco Sat 06 Apr 2013 07:42:08 No.11895974 Report

Quoted By: >>11895998 >>11896008 >>11896014 >>11896260

>>11895967
It will fuck you up

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 07:43:30 No.11895984 Report

Quoted By: >>11896000

all dese chickens makin me hungry

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 07:46:26 No.11895998 Report

Quoted By:

>>11895974
This can't be real

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 07:46:50 No.11896000 Report

Quoted By:

>>11895984
between this and the killer chicken this has somehow become a "scare me before i go to sleep" thread. good night everybody and thanks for the impending nightmares.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 07:47:31 No.11896008 Report

Quoted By:

>>11895974
That thing is probably delicious

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 07:48:15 No.11896013 Report

Quoted By: >>11896067

>>11895619
Pokemon versions Rosencrantz and Guildenstern.
No matter what you do you die at the end.
Including such classic lines as " I've not been on plenty of boats' 'No, you've been on places other than boats. You've never not been at all.'"

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 07:48:20 No.11896014 Report

Quoted By:

>>11895974
>Implying I wouldn't just BBQ it immediately

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 07:56:33 No.11896067 Report

Quoted By: >>11896098

>>11896013
>Life in a box is better than no life at all, I expect. You'd have a chance at least. You could lie there thinking: Well, at least I'm not dead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 08:00:41 No.11896098 Report

Quoted By: >>11896128

>>11896067
I know I have no artistic talent, but I feel that this should be a close-ended webcomic miniseries thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 08:06:16 No.11896128 Report

Quoted By: >>11896397

>>11896098
I'd read it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 08:28:26 No.11896212 Report

Quoted By:

>>11895652
You're an idiot

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 08:41:43 No.11896260 Report

Quoted By:

>>11895974

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 08:55:41 No.11896326 Report

Quoted By:

>>11895527

That Chespin looks like something from Saya no Uta.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 09:01:27 No.11896342 Report

Quoted By: >>11896377

>>11895527

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 09:09:11 No.11896370 Report

Quoted By:

>>11895511
are you me?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 09:11:56 No.11896377 Report

Quoted By: >>11896482

>>11896342

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 09:19:02 No.11896397 Report

Quoted By:

>>11896128
I'd buy it.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 09:45:52 No.11896482 Report

Quoted By:

>>11896377

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 09:51:58 No.11896501 Report

Quoted By: >>11897420

>>11895153
>Chespin
>Squirrel

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 13:38:49 No.11897345 Report

Quoted By:

>Removed
The ability to use both Stealth Rock AND Spikes at the same time.

>Added
Free Camera Movement. Come on game freak, the 3DS has the buttons and you KNOW you can do it with the new 3D game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 13:47:15 No.11897392 Report

Quoted By:

>people hating on froakie

how is that even possible?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 13:47:44 No.11897399 Report

Quoted By:

>people seriously complaining about Pokemon getting too easy

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 13:48:09 No.11897403 Report

Quoted By:

>>11895426
>muh renamon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 13:50:44 No.11897420 Report

Quoted By:

>>11896501
It's ugly isn't it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 13:53:57 No.11897439 Report

Quoted By:

>removed
Villains. All you get is a rival who thinks pokemon are tools.
>Added
Forms. The bird trio and fuck why not, Mew get new forms to compensate for the power creep. Fully evolved Gen 1 pokemon get a signature move or an item to buff up their stats, but at this point, they're beyond saving.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 13:56:27 No.11897452 Report

Quoted By:

>>11895182
>Removed:
>difficulty (now piss-easy)

>Implying anything is difficult at all once you get older than 12.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 13:57:48 No.11897456 Report

Quoted By:

>>11895434
>He doesn't read BitF

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 14:00:41 No.11897468 Report

Quoted By: >>11897477

>removed
Challenge keys. You can now choose the difficulty at the beginning of the game, but all that changes are your opponent's levels. They'll still have the piss poor AI and use the same unevolved cannon fodder.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 14:02:22 No.11897477 Report

Quoted By:

>>11897468
>added
Hold items that boost your stats with no negative effects. The metagame is reduced to whose sweeper strikes first.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 14:24:06 No.11897604 Report

Quoted By:

>>11895182
Gen V in a nutshell

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 14:25:55 No.11897612 Report

Quoted By:

>Removed
Ability to transfer pokémon from last gens

>Added
DLC to get all the unobtainable pokémon from last gens

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Apr 2013 14:30:18 No.11897635 Report

Quoted By:

>>11895447
>Implying it doesn't look like a generic vermin

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