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>>11953276
To nerf Slaking, which is ok with me.

But assuming there was no way to trade/get rid of your abilities, which one would be terrible to have?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Apr 2013 15:47:58 No.11953318 Report

Quoted By: >>11953332 >>11953340 >>11956115

>>11953310
>>11953276
Why would Truant have any use on Durant,. though?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Apr 2013 15:49:47 No.11953330 Report

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With Defeatist you can at least get some good attacks off before you get hit and there are ways to restore life.

Slow start just requires you to be patient and defensive for a few turns.

Truant never stops and totally exposes you every other turn. Also you automatically lose against any pokemon with protect. Truant is the worst.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Apr 2013 15:50:25 No.11953332 Report

Quoted By: >>11953351 >>11955004

>>11953318
Just so he can use entrainment

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Apr 2013 15:52:02 No.11953340 Report

Quoted By: >>11953346 >>11955148

>>11953318
Entrainment.

I don't know WHY he gets it in terms of logic...

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Apr 2013 15:52:49 No.11953346 Report

Quoted By: >>11953355

>>11953340
Because he is a True Ant

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Apr 2013 15:54:26 No.11953351 Report

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>>11953332
>>11953276
wooooow, that's pretty awesome!
Would be fun to use in actual battles.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 10 Apr 2013 15:55:21 No.11953355 Report

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>>11953346

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Apr 2013 16:03:05 No.11953388 Report

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>>11953308

You can pass the ability on and switch to dugdrio and stall with protect for an example.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Apr 2013 16:03:07 No.11953389 Report

Quoted By: >>11953496

Moxie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Apr 2013 16:07:08 No.11953410 Report

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>>11953306
Uh, except when it's on a Pokemon like Archeops, chances are you can either OHKO a lot or U-Turn to something else. It still sucks but it's nowhere near as shit as Slow Start, in which case it's like Defeatist but also with Speed and is in effect for 5 turns, which is enough time to kill whatever is hindered by it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Apr 2013 16:27:11 No.11953496 Report

Quoted By: >>11953572

>>11953389
Nigga what?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Apr 2013 16:30:52 No.11953515 Report

Quoted By: >>11953592

Easily Slow Start.

Truant is at least useful for cheating the AI, and with Defeatist, you start off powerful and can possibly heal off the damage. With Slow Start, you need to wait a freaking 5 turns every time you switch in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Apr 2013 16:37:04 No.11953555 Report

Quoted By: >>11955289

People who say Defeatist is the worst don't see that Archeops is a killing machine that never lets its HP down to begin with, and if it does, it had already wrecked so much shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Apr 2013 16:37:39 No.11953562 Report

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Run Away.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Apr 2013 16:39:19 No.11953572 Report

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>>11953496
Honchkrow has Moxie. Anything honchkrow related is the worst.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Apr 2013 16:39:56 No.11953576 Report

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>>11953572
>Shitposting
>>>/s4s/

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Apr 2013 16:41:19 No.11953585 Report

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Slow Start is absolutely fucking retarded. Regigigas should be an uber. But since GF isn't going to remove the ability, then they should at least nerf it to cumulative rounds. Then Regigigas could at least be used with protect under his belt and some switching. It would still be crap, but at least it would be far more manageable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Apr 2013 16:42:26 No.11953592 Report

Quoted By: >>11956397

>>11953515
Trick room helps fix it
It's still the worst though

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Apr 2013 16:47:12 No.11953617 Report

Quoted By: >>11956312

OP here, Glad to see some posts in here.
Personally for me, it goes likes this.

Defeatist>Truant=Slow Start.

If they was going to make Slaking so powerful but give him a terrible ability, Why not give him a BST of something like 495-515, but with a better Ability?

Same can be said of Archeops, He doesn't need that much SPA.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Apr 2013 19:37:28 No.11955004 Report

Quoted By: >>11955015 >>11955126

>>11953332
But why is it good on a durant? If it uses entrainment it would still have the same amount of turns as the oppenent.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Apr 2013 19:38:26 No.11955015 Report

Quoted By: >>11955126

>>11955004
Entrainment + Switch to something that has Protect = AI gets buttfucked because what is switching out

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Apr 2013 19:49:03 No.11955126 Report

Quoted By: >>11956197

>>11953267
Defeatist > Truant > Slow Start.
Truant has the benefit of being able to switch out on the turn you'd otherwise spend loafing around. Very limiting, but can easily be worked around.

You cannot work around Slow Start. The few 2v2+ ways you can, you can also do for all the other abilities.

I do appreciate Sub-Regigigas, but that wasted potential.

>>11955004
>>11955015
If you have a Pokemon with Shadow Tag/Arena Trap + Protect, you can even do it against other players.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Apr 2013 19:49:53 No.11955137 Report

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>Defeatist
Pretty bad, although the Pokemon is still an absolute rape train before it takes a hit and can revenge kill quite well (providing there aren't any Sneaky Pebbles)

>Truant
Very bad, since anything with protect will completely wall it and can set up/hit back. Entrainment Durant gives it some good use though.

>Slow Start
Pretty bad, although you can still use it defensively before unleashing that huge attack.

Overall, Truant is the worst.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Apr 2013 19:50:36 No.11955148 Report

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>>11953340
It's his Dream World ability. He's an ant. Ants work ALL THE TIME. Durant dreams of being lazy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Apr 2013 19:56:18 No.11955206 Report

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>tfw no good images of Mars

;_;

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Anonymous Wed 10 Apr 2013 20:03:54 No.11955289 Report

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>>11953555
You have to be able to switch in and out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Apr 2013 20:16:48 No.11955418 Report

Quoted By: >>11955560

What about Klutz?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Apr 2013 20:26:56 No.11955560 Report

Quoted By: >>11956307

>>11955418
>Holds Iron Ball and doesn't get slowed down, holds Toxic Orb and doesn't get poisoned, etc..
Seems bad to me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Apr 2013 20:28:17 No.11955573 Report

Quoted By: >>11956061

>>11953267
>not including Gluttony

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Apr 2013 21:13:48 No.11956061 Report

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>>11955573
Activating your Pinch Berry earlier for the stat boost = bad?

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Anonymous Wed 10 Apr 2013 21:18:11 No.11956099 Report

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>Not using Mummy to change all of that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Apr 2013 21:21:19 No.11956115 Report

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>>11953318
I thought it was a joke about its name, because it's a true ant.
Truant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Apr 2013 21:24:04 No.11956135 Report

Quoted By: >>11956165

>>11956115
Japanese name for truant is just "Lazy" apparently

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Apr 2013 21:26:33 No.11956165 Report

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>>11956135
tru·ant (trnt)
n.
1. One who is absent without permission, especially from school.
2. One who shirks work or duty.
adj.
1. Absent without permission, especially from school.
2. Idle, lazy, or neglectful.
intr.v. tru·ant·ed, tru·ant·ing, tru·ants
To be truant.

From the English dictionary.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Apr 2013 21:28:38 No.11956197 Report

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>>11955126

Protect only has 16 pp max

it doesn't last forever

not to mention you would have to switch in and out every pokemon which is inconceivable due to sneaky stones

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Apr 2013 21:31:52 No.11956232 Report

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>>11956165
>implying he doesn't know what truant means
>implying his point wasn't that the japanese name doesn't have ant in it

These are the same people that gave us female Mr. Mime. Clearly they don't care about English names.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Apr 2013 21:34:48 No.11956262 Report

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>>11956197
>not to mention you would have to switch in and out every pokemon which is inconceivable due to sneaky stones
What?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Apr 2013 21:35:26 No.11956272 Report

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>>11956165
I meant that the japanese name has nothing to do with ants so it can't have been an ant pun on purpose

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Apr 2013 21:39:03 No.11956307 Report

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>>11955560
Not to mention that you can't use Fling for shits and giggles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Apr 2013 21:39:43 No.11956312 Report

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>>11953617

Exactly. I love Archeops but what would I give for him to have like 60 SpA and some nice ability... What would you like him to have?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Apr 2013 21:42:25 No.11956352 Report

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Slow Start is probably the worst overall.

Anything with Truant can still attack right away, and it does have some actual use in doubles. Defeatist seems really, really bad on paper, but when you have ~140 base attack, you're still hitting decently even after the attack drop. Both abilities are bad, but they, at the very least, do not keep the Pokemon from being useful the instant you send it out and do no require that you keep that Pokemon in play for 5 turns.

Slow Start effectively cripples whatever Pokemon has the ability for the first 5 turns, with is MUCH more detrimental that hurting the user later in the game. You can't switch it in or out because that resets the turn timer. You're basically dead weight and have to stall until it wears off, which gives your opponent several free (more-or-less) turns to set up themselves.

You can still attack and pose a serious threat right away with Defeatist and Truant, you don't need to sit there for several turns to be anything other than dead weight. They do no require support from the rest of your team and the Pokemon with the abilities does not require any time to set up to be useful.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Apr 2013 21:43:15 No.11956365 Report

Quoted By: >>11956392

>>11956232
The Japanese name for Mr. Mime is Barrierd. America changed it to Mr. Mime. The guy who did it even said that if GF makes genders then the name he made name would be such a fuck-up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Apr 2013 21:45:35 No.11956392 Report

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>>11956365
Did you even read my post? I said female Mr. Mime exist because they didn't consider the English name when deciding its gender ratio. Which is the same reason the ant pun is coincidental.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Apr 2013 21:45:55 No.11956397 Report

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>>11953592
Trick Room helps speed, but not attack.

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