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Anonymous Sun 21 Apr 2013 21:23:48 No.12074936 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>12075075

What could balance over centralizing elements of the game, and maybe lower the use of some stronger types?

I don't know what would make sense to do this but a type weak to poison and grass that resists steel and dragon would be great

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Apr 2013 21:34:14 No.12075075 Report

Quoted By: >>12075199 >>12075435

>>12074936
>resists steel
Hahaha

Steel is a shit attacking type and nobody running steel type mons is likely to be using Meteor Mash OR Flash Cannon except in a desperate bid for STAB when their primary attacking moves (which are usually Quake and a Fighting-type move, which ACTUALLY need an offensive debuff) would both hit for NVE or miss.

The only steel-type attack that's actually used as a go-to is bullet punch, and that's only because Scizor gets technician and a technician-boosted priority move is awesome.

If we're adding a new type to balance the meta, it should:

>be unable to hit poison
>be weak to poison, normal
>hit NVE on ice, grass, rock
>hit SE on dragon, ground
>resist fighting, dragon, ground
>immune to fire

Now THAT would be a game-changer. Too bad there's no type that would make sense there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Apr 2013 21:39:58 No.12075159 Report

Quoted By: >>12075206 >>12075259

Instead of resisting steel it should be SE on it.

Some other things that I've come up with or seen around here were: Solid Rock absorbing Stealth Rock, a move that reverses the effects of weather, Cloud Nine actually removing weather, Infiltrator and the nevermiss moves (Aerial Ace etc) breaking Protect/Detect, a Hail equivalent of Sand Rush, a Priority-blocking ability, and many many more

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Apr 2013 21:42:49 No.12075199 Report

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>>12075075

I actually agree. I use three offensive fighting types in my most-used team on PS and its working really well

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Apr 2013 21:43:22 No.12075206 Report

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>>12075159

some really good ideas in there

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Apr 2013 21:45:46 No.12075235 Report

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There is a thread like this every week or so. Too bad no one seems to be saving the ideas posted there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Apr 2013 21:47:13 No.12075259 Report

Quoted By: >>12075277

>>12075159
>SE on steel
>Implying steel needs another weakness
>as if having a weakness to three of the most common attacking types in the game wasn't enough
Lemme guess, steel should be weak to dragon and ice too, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Apr 2013 21:47:36 No.12075267 Report

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Ban sneaky stones. Makes other types besides Fighting, Ground, and Steel more viable.

Band auto weather, makes things that aren't Water, Grass, Fire, Ground, Steel more viable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Apr 2013 21:48:16 No.12075277 Report

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>>12075259

No, just one more weakness will suffice (and certainly not to Dragon, that is OP just like Steel).

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Apr 2013 21:48:22 No.12075279 Report

Quoted By: >>12075287 >>12075371 >>12075392

I've posted this before but I'll post it again

Spikes are retconned to do ground type damage
Ice, Grass, Fire, Electric, Water, Flying and Bug get entry hazards
At one layer, hazards do 25% to a mon with a double weakness. At two layers, these hazards do 50% to a mon with double weakness. (With Toxic Spikes, this is poisoned, then badly poisoned. With the Bug-type web hazard, this is speed down 1 stage, then speed down 2 stages).
Rapid spin will clear hazards even if it cannot hit the opponent (e.g. ghost)
Selfdestruct and explosion will remove all hazards from the user's side.
The following will remove one layer of hazards per use:
1) Earthquake will remove spikes and toxic spikes on both sides.
2) Surf will remove fire and rock hazards on both sides
3) Lava plume will remove ice, grass and bug hazards on both sides
4) Blizzard will remove grass and bug hazards on both sides
5) will remove (stealth) rock hazards on both sides.
6) will remove flying hazards on both sides.
7) Discharge will remove electric and flying hazards on both sides.
Trick Room will switch the sides of currently-placed entry hazards at the time of its use.
An ability called "Clean Sweep" allows certain pokemon to automatically clear their side of the field of entry hazards upon switch-in, though they take damage from them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Apr 2013 21:48:54 No.12075287 Report

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>>12075279
>more hazads
NOOOOOOOOOPPPEEE

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Apr 2013 21:52:16 No.12075337 Report

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A new weather condition called "pollution"

Does damage every turn (a la sandstorm, hail) except to poison types. Poison type moves get a boost (a la water in rain, fire in sun). Ground-type moves get a debuff.

If rain is started during pollution, the pollution does not go away; rain stacks with it (think acid rain).

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Apr 2013 21:54:17 No.12075371 Report

Quoted By: >>12075392

>>12075279
>5) will remove (stealth) rock hazards on both sides.
>6) will remove flying hazards on both sides.
I guess I forgot to delete these, since hurricane and surf already do that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Apr 2013 21:55:48 No.12075392 Report

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>>12075279
>>12075371
Hurricane should probably remove hazards too.

Also didn't weather use to be a part of this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Apr 2013 21:58:40 No.12075435 Report

Quoted By: >>12075532

>>12075075
I think normal shouldn't gain any super-effective qualities since it defeats the purpose of the whole normal idea in the first place. I think it should lose its Fighting weakness to fully realize the whole 'normal' thing, though.

Fairy:
Super effective against Dragon+Steel (In fairy tales, big bad dragons always end up defeated/slayed. Old traditions are better than new/fairy tales have some kind of moral core cold steel doesn't?)
Not very effective against Grass+Ice (Story books are made from grass, so they're weak against their own medium? Fairy tales can be passed through vocal tradition, and extreme cold can damage vocal cords I guess, or something to that effect?)
Resists Fighting (No violence/violence has a negative connotation in children's stories)
Weak to Poison (Some bullshit about stories being corrupted?)

Also, Cloud Nine needs to remove weather on switch in as well as possibly a further buff that prevents any weather from being summoned for five turns or so.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Apr 2013 22:02:01 No.12075483 Report

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Stuff copied from an old "improve a crappy ability" thread:

Pickpocket

Steals opponent's item on contact even if you already have one, and allows you to choose which one to keep

Oblivious ignores moves over 90 base power.

Pressure now has a chance to Taunt the opponent:
75% if it has 100% HP
60% if it has more than 75% HP
50% if it has more than 50% HP
30% if it has less than 50% HP

Water Veil gains +1 Defense and Special Defense from every move that can burn

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Apr 2013 22:05:42 No.12075532 Report

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>>12075435
Normal is NVE against Rock and Steel, too. It's not "above and outside the type chart".

As it stands it's literally the ONLY type that doesn't hit ANYTHING SE and I think that ought to change.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Apr 2013 22:09:41 No.12075582 Report

Quoted By: >>12075790

Ability:
>Colorless
Effect:
>All damage dealt to and by this pokemon will ignore typing
>(also ignores the effects of levitate, heatproof, flash fire, etc)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Apr 2013 22:27:14 No.12075790 Report

Quoted By: >>12075801

>>12075582
So it's a buffed Tinted Lens + Mold Breaker? You better give it to really shitty pokémon, that could be broken if given to someone with decent power and a good STAB.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Apr 2013 22:28:41 No.12075801 Report

Quoted By: >>12075835

>>12075790

But it also can't deal SE damage, nor can it resist anything

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Apr 2013 22:31:31 No.12075835 Report

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>>12075801
Not dealing super effective damage is fine if it's unresisted.

Look at every single dragon type ever. See how widespread Outrage is.
The very basis behind that is how it only has a single resistance.

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