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Seriously?

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 00:46:13 No.12088181 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>12088196 >>12088492 >>12088655

Okay /vp/ it has come to my attention that you actually believe that Charizard is the worst fire starter when in reality its this faggot.

Why do you seriously believe this just because of stealth rock when Charizard has TONS more options and you can actually prepare accordingly to this stealth rock use.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 00:47:36 No.12088196 Report

Quoted By: >>12088258

>>12088181
That picture just made Typhlosion the worst fire-type.

There's the door, please get out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 00:48:42 No.12088210 Report

Quoted By: >>12088312

>liking Charizard
>not liking his clone.
a durr hurr what now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 00:49:02 No.12088215 Report

Quoted By: >>12088222 >>12088228

Iz a troll thread /vp/. Pls don't reply

Pls
You can do this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 00:49:31 No.12088218 Report

Quoted By: >>12088223 >>12088230 >>12088238 >>12088399

Competitively speaking:

Blaziken = Infernape > Emboar > Charizard > Typhlosion

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 00:50:29 No.12088222 Report

Quoted By:

>>12088215
But I'm actually being serious.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 00:50:30 No.12088223 Report

Quoted By: >>12088255

>>12088218
>Blaziken=Infernape
LEL

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 00:50:56 No.12088228 Report

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>>12088215
WUZ TO HARD FO ME

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 00:51:00 No.12088230 Report

Quoted By: >>12088255

>>12088218
>Blaziken = Infernape

Oh, I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of my Uber Tier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 00:51:40 No.12088238 Report

Quoted By: >>12088268

>>12088218
Sadly, that is actually the order I like them in reverse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 00:52:39 No.12088255 Report

Quoted By:

>>12088223
>>12088230

Yes. Blaziken = Infernape.

I would have said Blaziken is superior to Infernape but only with a certain ability. Moreover said ability made Blaziken banned from standard play. Infernape on the other hand is well balanced and can still be a decent Pokemon only with the right moveset.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 00:52:49 No.12088258 Report

Quoted By: >>12088296

>>12088196

But that isn't Typhlosion. It is actually the thing that evolves into Typhlosion, which is a totally different Pokémon.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 00:53:20 No.12088268 Report

Quoted By:

>>12088238
>liking literally the worst designed starter

You people have assburgers taste

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 00:54:31 No.12088296 Report

Quoted By:

>>12088258
Doesn't matter. You're supposed to consider them all in unison.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 00:55:39 No.12088312 Report

Quoted By: >>12088343 >>12088345

>>12088210
>Typhlosion
>Charizard clone

Charizard actually has MOVES it can PUT TO FUCKING USE.

More importantly, it has fucking DRAGON DANCE.

sage

sage Tue 23 Apr 2013 00:56:05 No.12088318 Report

Quoted By: >>12088333

WTF?! You son of a bitch! Why'd you do that to mah boi?! He didn't deserve this!

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 00:57:30 No.12088333 Report

Quoted By: >>12088410

>>12088318
I wasn't the author of the pic. But I'm glad I found it if its gonna make you angry. Typhlosion doesn't deserve bros.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 00:58:11 No.12088343 Report

Quoted By: >>12088380

>>12088312
I can't hear you over my eruption sweeps

also they're called clones because they have the same stats idiot

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 00:58:14 No.12088345 Report

Quoted By: >>12088439

>>12088312
Anon, Your stupidity is showing...

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:00:55 No.12088380 Report

Quoted By: >>12088403

>>12088343
>Eruption sweeps
>100 base speed

What sweeps? You get owned on the first turn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:01:13 No.12088383 Report

Quoted By:

Eruption

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:02:34 No.12088399 Report

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>>12088218
>Equal to blaziken
HAHAHAHAHA go play VGC standard, you're going to eat those words

Not saying infernape is bad, its just not really that great considering its low offense and low defense

Im expecting a drop to UU in gen 6 unless there is a physical priority fire move that blaziken doesnt get

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:02:45 No.12088403 Report

Quoted By: >>12088416 >>12088453

>>12088380
scarfed + baton passers with speed boosts= delicious tears

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:03:11 No.12088410 Report

Quoted By:

>>12088333
Maybe in competitive, but I loved him in coliseum

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:03:54 No.12088416 Report

Quoted By: >>12088466

>>12088403
>switching into le rocks

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:05:20 No.12088439 Report

Quoted By: >>12088486

>>12088345
http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-bw/157.shtml
http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-bw/006.shtml

Well will you look at that. Charizard DOES get a way better moveset than Typhlosion. It can make use of both PHYSICAL AND SPECIAL attacks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:05:56 No.12088447 Report

Quoted By: >>12088475 >>12088527

Genwunner here. Typhlosion was my go to bro in GSC, just like Charizard was my go to in Red and Blue. They both suck competitively, but if you like them, go wild. But don't argue otherwise.

Personally, the only starters I use are from gens 3 and 4. I don't understand why Typhlosion has more bros than usual, but my best guess is that gen 1 nostalgiafags have been replaced with gen 2 nostalgiafags. It's okay. No shame in liking your first starter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:06:13 No.12088453 Report

Quoted By: >>12088518

>>12088403
>relying on baton pass
>relying on choice

You realize the exact same thing can be done to you with a different, much better pokemon. You know, like any fucking other fire starter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:07:19 No.12088466 Report

Quoted By: >>12088504 >>12088534

>>12088416
it's happen before it doesn't take down as much health as fucking charizard who in one go will just collapse on you

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:07:43 No.12088475 Report

Quoted By: >>12088508 >>12088527

>>12088447
Why are you a genwunner.

What good does it give you to actively tell everyone that when your kind is the cause of that irrational hate towards the new mewtwo form.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:08:29 No.12088486 Report

Quoted By: >>12088514 >>12088527

>>12088439
>Using physical moves on Charizard, a special sweeper, off of 84ATK
>ever

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:08:59 No.12088492 Report

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>>12088181
Keep that on >>>/mlp/

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:09:38 No.12088504 Report

Quoted By: >>12088632

>>12088466
Charizard will still have the better moveset, and the better means to do damage even after getting hit by stealth rock.

Lel Rocks will just fucking destroy your eruption damage, and since your other options for special are basically lelsolarbeam and MORE FIRE ATTACKS get ready to eat shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:09:43 No.12088508 Report

Quoted By: >>12088528 >>12088536 >>12088575

>>12088475
I meant Genwunner in the sense that I started with Pokemon Blue. I've loved every gen. And personally, I think the new mewtwo form looks pretty cool. And I like that my first Uber is relevant again.

Why do you hate people who started when they did? You aren't ashamed of when you started playing, why should I be?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:10:11 No.12088514 Report

Quoted By: >>12088554

>>12088486
>Belly drum

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:10:21 No.12088518 Report

Quoted By:

>>12088453
I know this but I'm just trying to defend my typhlosion against someone who's trying to say they are worse than charizard

sadly in all honesty, Typhlosion lacks in the moves department and I wish they'd let him step up his game. Also the fact that he is the only mono fire starter

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:10:55 No.12088527 Report

Quoted By:

>>12088447
I fucking love Charizard, bellydrum zard is best zard.
>>12088447
Because Typhlosion IS vp's Charizard. /vp/ has a very sizable Johtoddlers population.
>>12088486
Bellydrum+Salac
>>12088475
Why does liking Charizard make you a genwunner? I never understood this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:11:01 No.12088528 Report

Quoted By: >>12088558

>>12088508
You seem to misuse the term. Genwunners are people who think anything after R/B/Y suck. Saying you love every generation makes you NOT a genwunner.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:11:16 No.12088534 Report

Quoted By: >>12088632

>>12088466
>using eruption after only having 75% HP left

you will KO nothing

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:11:28 No.12088536 Report

Quoted By: >>12088558

>>12088508
I don't, I just saw the term genwunner as something that people consider negative in difference to nostalgiafag which just means what you just said. Basically, it was a misunderstanding.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:13:12 No.12088554 Report

Quoted By: >>12088579 >>12088581

>>12088514
>Stealth rocks
>Giving up half your HP to use physicals attacks
>Implying there won't be a Aqua jet user to KO your charizard
>Implying that Charizard won't get KO the same turn that it uses Belly drum.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:13:45 No.12088558 Report

Quoted By: >>12088601 >>12088682

>>12088528
>>12088536

Sorry, I didn't know that's what the term meant. I've been using it for a while now just as a way to mean someone who started with Gen 1. My bad.

But yeah. Typhlosion was and is a bro. So is Charizard.

Who cares which is more competitive?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:14:59 No.12088575 Report

Quoted By:

>>12088508
That's not a genwunner. A genwunner is somebody who insists gen 1 is the best gen, and hates everything else. Basically, the 'ORIGINAL 150 ARE THE BEST EVERYTHING ELSE IS SHIT' crowd. And the best part is that they'll often insist they're the 'real fans'.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:15:30 No.12088579 Report

Quoted By: >>12088707

>>12088554
>keeping charizard on the field when theres a water type
>switching in to use fucking belly drum if theres rocks on the field
>not starting the fight with charizard

I can play this game too

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:15:35 No.12088581 Report

Quoted By: >>12088707

>>12088554
>Not clearing away rocks
>Not setting up behind a sub
Its VERY risky, but the pay off is sweet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:16:53 No.12088596 Report

Quoted By: >>12088617

You obvoiusly don't understand why everyone wants to bring Charizard down. It's still ridiculously popular and always has been. The infection of Stealth Rocks is only part of it. It's just a reason to cause wars between casuals and competitive players. It's just more fan stupidity. As for why Typhy doesn't get it as bad, it's because it's fandom is not as big. It's hardly worth it, especially since it has followers in a more dubious sect. You'll never win. I also think you can't win against something as deeply ingrained as Charizard.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:17:07 No.12088601 Report

Quoted By: >>12088637 >>12088683

>>12088558
The problem is that people call Charizard shit because of stealth rocks, and everyone shits on him. When in reality the shittiest is Typhlosion, who gets FAR too much praise. Its only fair, to be fair.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:19:04 No.12088617 Report

Quoted By:

>>12088596
Charizard has fans? Since fucking when?!

Everyone shits on him for the SAME FUCKING REASON, which is hardly a valid one (especially considering how much options he actually does have), and little kids can't possibly know who he even is.

Besides, its pretty much fact that Typhlosion is way worse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:19:36 No.12088632 Report

Quoted By: >>12088682 >>12088718

>>12088504
clearly you've never been able to play typhlosion right. In capable hands he can be a crazy powerhouse
>>12088534
still better than charizard taking 4x weakness to sneaky pebbles and barely making a dent before he gets destroyed. I've had a typhlosion wreck a charizard's shit up

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:19:52 No.12088637 Report

Quoted By: >>12088728

>>12088601
Same guy as before. I started with a Charmander in Blue, but my favorite starter is Sceptile, who lost a shit ton of competitive points after the physical/special split. I get that people praise Typhlosion a lot, and shit on Charizard. I'm just saying that maybe instead of dragging Typhlosion down too, maybe we should just celebrate the fact that both can kick ass under the right circumstances.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:20:36 No.12088655 Report

Quoted By: >>12088674

>>12088181
This image
Fuck you. Don't ruin the best line of Pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:21:45 No.12088674 Report

Quoted By:

>>12088655
>ruining a 0/10 design

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:22:07 No.12088682 Report

Quoted By: >>12088697 >>12088752

>>12088558
I think the Charizard schism exemplifies two of the largest problems with the fandom.
>Casual Players and Competive players often have radically different experiences with various pokemon. Charizard has 4X weakness to stealth rock, but I can count the number of times I've seen an NPC set up rocks or spikes on my fingers.
>Blind Gen 1 hate in an effort to separate themselves from nostalgia fags.
>>12088632
> In capable hands he can be a crazy powerhouse
That applies to everything that isn't fucking Castform.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:22:08 No.12088683 Report

Quoted By: >>12088753

>>12088601
you have to learn that it's also because they praise Typhlosion's design

Everyone gets tired of the fucking dragon with wings that genwunners have associated with. It's why it gets shitted on all the time

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:22:44 No.12088697 Report

Quoted By:

>>12088682
This guy speaks wisdom.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:23:16 No.12088707 Report

Quoted By: >>12088736 >>12088747 >>12088823

>>12088579
>Keeping charizard on the field when there's a water type
So that's mean Belly drum was a waste then.

>switching in to use fucking belly drum if theres rocks on the field
Assuming you throw out Charizard out there, You'll lose half your HP and ruining the plan.

>not starting the fight with charizard
Because using Belly drum on the 1st turn is such a good idea...

>>12088581
>Not clearing away rocks
Your rapid-spinner is KO and your opponent have send out rocks again, what now?

>Not setting up behind a sub
1.Your foe will probably break it, thus making it a waste ofturn and HP.

Or

2. Your Foe switch out on the turn you use Sub and break it the next turn where you use Belly drum.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:24:04 No.12088718 Report

Quoted By:

>>12088632
No, its not.

When you're literally taking away its only means to do consistent damage you're pretty fucked. In fact if you analyze it, he is probably right there with Meganium as the worst starter overall.

Feraligatr was the only one that got a saving grace on gen 2 by having actually good moves and usable stats.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:24:37 No.12088728 Report

Quoted By: >>12088742

>>12088637
Sceptile might be bad, but its still more useable than Typhlosion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:25:05 No.12088736 Report

Quoted By: >>12088840

>>12088707
I don't understand your argument, man. You want the other people to admit that Charizard is shit competitively? I'm not one of them, but you're right. Charizard is shit competitively. Typhlosion isn't much better, though.

But they're both pretty cool Pokemon. So why get riled up over it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:25:45 No.12088742 Report

Quoted By:

>>12088728
Dude, that wasn't my point though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:26:09 No.12088747 Report

Quoted By: >>12088840

>>12088707
>Your rapid-spinner is KO and your opponent have send out rocks again, what now?
I'm shit out of luck
>>12088707
>Breaks it after Bellydrum
Salac and Blaze kicks in. I sweep

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:26:20 No.12088752 Report

Quoted By: >>12088808

>>12088682
same can be applied to typhlosion in the first sentence

also
the second sentence. It's true that can be applied to everything, and I would word it better if I had sleep but i'm just saying those who know how to play with typhlosion can always sweep easily with eruption/and limited moves

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:26:20 No.12088753 Report

Quoted By: >>12088767 >>12088774

>>12088683
Typhlosions design?

You're kidding right?

The generic dragon is LOADS better than a fucking mammal with fire spouting from its back.

A flaming tail is 10x more creative than that. You have got to be fucking shitting the hell out of me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:27:37 No.12088767 Report

Quoted By:

>>12088753
You laugh but there are a ton of Typhlosion bros who would agree Typhlosion is an awesome design.
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean your opinion > everyone else

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:27:55 No.12088770 Report

Quoted By:

I don't care much for Typlosion because I think it has a boring design, aesthetically and otherwise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:28:03 No.12088774 Report

Quoted By:

>>12088753
Opinions. Come on, guys. We're VP. We stay on topic. This isn't fucking /v/, where muh opinions are fact and yours are shit.

They're both pretty cool. Though personally I think Quilava was the best design of the evolutionary line.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:29:44 No.12088802 Report

Quoted By:

The real problem is that everyone is assuming the Internet is the only fandom, and competitive is all that matters. The answer is no on both counts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:29:56 No.12088808 Report

Quoted By: >>12088870

>>12088752
The only way you're gonna sweep with Typhlosion is if your opponent somehow only has slow as shit pokemon. And even then, its shit movepool that it can't use properly due to having majorly physical moves is not gonna allow it to power through most of the tankish powerhouses that actually do have less speed than it.

In starter general purpose sense, this is less useable than fucking Meganium on any sort of competitive play, let it be smogon or karenplay.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:30:55 No.12088823 Report

Quoted By: >>12088877 >>12089048

>>12088707
You're kind of talking like the only strategy Charizard can use is Belly Drum/Salac when it has tons of other options.

He can mixsweep, bellydrum, dragon dance, choice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:31:57 No.12088840 Report

Quoted By: >>12088870 >>12088875

>>12088747
>Priority moves.
>Water pokemon to scare it off
>Rocks are still on the field.

>>12088736
My argument was that Belly drum Charizard is a useless tactic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:34:02 No.12088870 Report

Quoted By: >>12088888

>>12088808
And what's wrong with Meganium? Don't tell me it's not useable in Karenplay. Because I know for a fact that he can be a bro too.

>>12088840
Yeah, I'm not a fan of Bellydrum myself. But that doesn't mean Charizard is shit. And neither does stealth rock. But hey, that's just like, my opinion, man.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:34:21 No.12088875 Report

Quoted By: >>12088947

>>12088840
But its not. Thats like saying belly drum on any other mon that can use it is a useless tactic.

If you're smart, you will notice if your opponent has a mon that can use stealth rock. You will predict it, you will take advantage of that prediction and you will properly use Charizard.

I am not saying he doesn't have very little options in a stealth rock scenario, I am saying that he has more than Typhlosion will ever have and if properly played out will come out of it more than Typhlosion will.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:34:30 No.12088877 Report

Quoted By: >>12088909

>>12088823
>Mixsweep
>Dragon Dance
This is what I'm talking about, Why would you use physical moves on Charzard?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:35:07 No.12088888 Report

Quoted By:

>>12088870
You completely missed the point and I was actually praising Meganium there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:36:18 No.12088909 Report

Quoted By:

>>12088877
Because it can do it?

84 base attack isn't that bad you know.

And it can take advantage of its physical movepool more than Typhlosion can who just desperately tries to earthquake everything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:38:31 No.12088947 Report

Quoted By: >>12088958

>>12088875
Let me be clear.

I'm not arguing that Typhlosion is better or worse than Charizard.
My argument is that Belly drum on a Special sweeper is a bad idea, especially when there's Sun and Scarf. I'm also not a Charizard fan either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:39:46 No.12088958 Report

Quoted By:

>>12088947
I guess I can't argue with that. But its not like its a super situational tactic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:45:42 No.12089048 Report

Quoted By: >>12089133

>>12088823
Belly Drum Charizard hasn't been relevant or good since the end of Gen 3.

Dragon Dance lost relevance in Gen 5, and only manages in 4 due to surprise.

Charizard cannot mix sweep. It hasn't been able to since Gen 3. That's like saying Banette can mix sweep. You cannot have the Attack, SpAttack, and Speed needed to mix sweep, not with its piddly Attack, and only decent SpA/Spe. You can only have all three if you use Choice, and then you lose coverage and versatility, the biggest selling point of a 'mixed' set.

Charizard can do Choiced and Sun Abuse.
Typhlosion can do Choiced and Sun Abuse, while getting Eruption, and requiring less set up/support to be effective.

I'm not saying Typhlosion is good or that Charizard has no viable sets, but there's a damn good reason why Typhlosion is RU and Charizard NU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:50:59 No.12089133 Report

Quoted By: >>12089228

>>12089048
The problem with your argument is your first two points.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:53:39 No.12089171 Report

Quoted By: >>12089231

I like Typhlosion. Eruption, Focus Blast, Extrasensory, HP Grass is not bad at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:58:31 No.12089228 Report

Quoted By: >>12089266

>>12089133
I'm not saying that it can't be used, and that it doesn't sweep at times with proper support [which is a lot more that most sweepers need].

But Belly Drum hasn't been relevant post-gen 3. Linoone is the only one that gets by, because it literally has nothing else [also BD+ESpeed is nice].

You can build a team to support BD Charizard, but as a whole, BD Charizard will be a far greater detriment, not only to the team that supports it, but to every other team it could possible put onto, than a non-BD Charizard.

Dragon Dance only loses relevance due to power creep. It doesn't even get enough power in NU to pull it off reliably. Same reason why Pokemon in Gen 4 who cried for even a single boost like Work Up, no longer even consider it an option in Gen 5.

Yes you can build a team to support it, but as a whole, DD Charizard cannot keep up with the meta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 01:58:44 No.12089231 Report

Quoted By: >>12089279 >>12089280

>>12089171
>HP grass

why? Did you have no other choice or something?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 02:01:53 No.12089266 Report

Quoted By: >>12089288

>>12089228
I don't see how DD is not viable when it gets stuff like Flare Blitz and Outrage and even Dragon Rush all which have super high power modifiers.

It gets other physical moves that can provide 2hko like brick break.

Sure its like its a poor mans Dragonite, but still.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 02:02:39 No.12089279 Report

Quoted By: >>12089298

>>12089231
Counter Water types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 02:02:43 No.12089280 Report

Quoted By:

>>12089231
Typhlosion isn't known for its coverage, and HP Grass covers Waters [and some wonky Rocks] pretty handily.

That HP type is always team composition+tier sensitive anyways.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 02:02:59 No.12089288 Report

Quoted By:

>>12089266
oh and this same argument applies to BD.

I mean, item clause prevents choice scarf abuse, so really. If you break the one pokemon that carries it how is BD/Salac or DD not a viable option.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2013 02:03:32 No.12089298 Report

Quoted By:

>>12089279
why not HP thunder?

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