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Anonymous Fri 26 Apr 2013 03:44:49 No.12121601 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>12121644 >>12121688 >>12121727 >>12121805

This move is grossly overpowered.

Any pokemon can learn it, it does exponential damage, which is guaranteed to KO any pokemon in less than 6 turns, and is genuinely unfair to play with or against.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Apr 2013 03:47:31 No.12121629 Report

Quoted By: >>12121654

>Anyone can use it
>Unfair

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Apr 2013 03:48:52 No.12121644 Report

Quoted By: >>12121647

>>12121601
OP.... There are ways to counter it ya know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Apr 2013 03:49:33 No.12121647 Report

Quoted By: >>12121651 >>12121657 >>12121658 >>12121676 >>12121690

>>12121644
I don't play competitively in any regard, but I would just prefer using my moves proactively, instead of reactively.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Apr 2013 03:50:12 No.12121651 Report

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>>12121647

Then why do you care about Toxic?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Apr 2013 03:50:21 No.12121654 Report

Quoted By: >>12121729

>>12121629
Yes. That's the problem. It's too saturated in every meta. You WILL see it at any tier, even casual. Just because I CAN use it doesn't mean I should HAVE to.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 26 Apr 2013 03:50:35 No.12121657 Report

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>>12121647
>I don't play competitively in any regard, but I can complain like I do!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Apr 2013 03:50:39 No.12121658 Report

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>>12121647

Pfff

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Apr 2013 03:52:06 No.12121669 Report

Quoted By: >>12124992

What is steel and ground type

What is natural cure

What is multiple ways to counter but your just ignorant cause you can't figure it out on your own

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Apr 2013 03:52:34 No.12121675 Report

Quoted By: >>12121846

I think that the move is fine, but the distribution is kinda retarded. I mean, even if the whole "TM by Koga and folks" explanation were true, it still wouldn't justify stuff like Registeel being able to learn it. It makes no sense, plenty of mons that learn it don't have a physiology capable of producing poisonous stuff like that.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 26 Apr 2013 03:52:33 No.12121676 Report

Quoted By: >>12121704

>>12121647
>being a filthy casual
>complaining about things that don't effect you anyways
Toxic is necessary for many different strategies, such as stall teams.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Apr 2013 03:54:02 No.12121688 Report

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>>12121601
On the one hand, moves that do percentage-based damage are kind of broken because if I have neutron-star-tier bulk and you attack like a piece of paper, you're still guaranteed to do decent damage. Moves like that make Shuckle, which can do nothing but take hits, really useful, since you always win the waiting game and being able to hit worth a damn is meaningless.

On the other hand, switching your pokemon resets the exponential counter, so Toxic is only "broken" if you refuse to switch out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Apr 2013 03:54:21 No.12121690 Report

Quoted By: >>12121709 >>12121790

>>12121647
I think i understand. Well This is what i reccomend them: Keep 10 Full heals in your bag at all times. I have done that since gen 1 so status effects have never been a problem.
>But anon Full heal takes up a turn!
Well there are berrys that heal status. Thats different though cause unless its that one berry that heals all I forget its name. Lum berry I think? you will have to keep switching berrys.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Apr 2013 03:55:16 No.12121695 Report

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Toxic damage is not exponential.

How is it unfair if every Pokemon that can learn a TM can use it? Toxic is almost never used in-game. Toxic is generally used for walls and stalling. It's a good move, but it's not overpowered at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Apr 2013 03:55:47 No.12121704 Report

Quoted By: >>12121707 >>12121713

>>12121676
Yes we should encourage stall.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Apr 2013 03:56:13 No.12121707 Report

Quoted By: >>12121710

>>12121704
It's a legitimate strategy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Apr 2013 03:56:34 No.12121709 Report

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>>12121690
Yes, it's Lum. Pecha also exclusively heals poison.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Apr 2013 03:56:43 No.12121710 Report

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>>12121707
Never said it wasn't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Apr 2013 03:57:00 No.12121713 Report

Quoted By: >>12121738 >>12121806

>>12121704

It's a legitimate playstyle, and one that's becoming harder and harder to play every gen.

One Sixty Eight

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One Sixty Eight Fri 26 Apr 2013 03:58:15 No.12121727 Report

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>>12121601

>KO any pokemon
>any pokemon
>any

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Apr 2013 03:58:17 No.12121729 Report

Quoted By: >>12121797

>>12121654
Tell me when you are ever forced to put Toxic on your own team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Apr 2013 03:59:12 No.12121738 Report

Quoted By: >>12121752 >>12121772

>>12121713
Good. Stall is a shitty strategy. It's more about abusing the game's mechanics than building a balanced team and running it well.

I mean, it's hilarious to watch a stall team win, but at the end of the day running stall on Pokemon is like trying to win rock-paper-scissors by distracting your opponent with questions until he leaves because he has to take a pee.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Apr 2013 04:01:01 No.12121752 Report

Quoted By: >>12121780

>>12121738
If I could do that, I would.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Apr 2013 04:03:33 No.12121772 Report

Quoted By: >>12121794

>>12121738
A good stall team is more balanced than every other team. They have to take hits from often nearly every type, physical and special, while staying healthy and not providing the enemy a chance to set up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Apr 2013 04:04:22 No.12121780 Report

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>>12121752
And nobody would want to play rock-paper-scissors with you.

I used to play HLG in Halo 3 for shits and giggles but I wasn't under the delusion that I WASN'T abusing my knowledge of oversights in the map design to troll other teams, or that it required any degree of skill in FPS playing to win that way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Apr 2013 04:05:03 No.12121790 Report

Quoted By: >>12121808 >>12121832

>>12121690
Oh my GOD I am not going to grind for a million fucking berries just because some asshole decided to poison me

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Apr 2013 04:05:27 No.12121794 Report

Quoted By: >>12121826

>>12121772
Toxic everything. Nothing can set up without getting massacred by the exponential damage loss.

When in doubt, toxic spikes/SR + roar/whirlwind. Rinse/repeat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Apr 2013 04:05:39 No.12121797 Report

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>>12121729
To counter their stall team?

Its the only thing that reliably gets past a wall of fat

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Apr 2013 04:05:40 No.12121798 Report

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Toxic is also a perfectly good way to deal with stall teams. Fuck those faggots who do absolutely nothing but switch from jellicent to bissey to ferrothorn back to jellicent then fucking hippowdon or something, just waiting for a miss/waiting for you to mispredict even once so they can spam recover.

Enjoy your residual damage

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Apr 2013 04:06:34 No.12121805 Report

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>>12121601
Gliscor, Breloom, Shroomish

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Apr 2013 04:06:38 No.12121806 Report

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>>12121713
Stall is just anti gaming. It should never be encouraged.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Apr 2013 04:07:09 No.12121808 Report

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>>12121790
Yeah because you need a million fucking berries to cure all poison in-game

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Apr 2013 04:09:34 No.12121826 Report

Quoted By: >>12121860

>>12121794
>faster sub
>taunt
>Toxic heal
What now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Apr 2013 04:10:39 No.12121832 Report

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>>12121790
Dude you dont need a milion. You just need a few to keep as a precaution.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Apr 2013 04:11:48 No.12121846 Report

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>>12121675
Damn I never thought about it but you're right
some don't even have mouths to vomit with or doo-holes to poo poo
I am in agreement
and now let's add that to the list of shit that doesn't make sense and will bother me forever
thanks

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Apr 2013 04:13:29 No.12121860 Report

Quoted By: >>12121903

>>12121826
Prankster Will-o-Wisp.

Prankster is an important part of any stall team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Apr 2013 04:18:34 No.12121903 Report

Quoted By: >>12122346

>>12121860

So basically sableye/whimsicott are vital to every stall team?

Unless you're proposing volbeat or something

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Apr 2013 05:12:14 No.12122346 Report

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>>12121903
They aren't at fucking all. in fact prankster's access to priority taunt make them amazing stallBREAKERS

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Apr 2013 15:42:57 No.12124900 Report

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Let's say you're playing NU, a tier where stall is actually somewhat effective, and you are against a stall team. Luckily you have a Sub Bulk Up Braviary, so you are able to sub in front of their Alomoloma and start Bulking Up. Since you are faster, you don't get Toxic'd and your subs can withstand a Waterfall or Scald. The only thing the stall team can do is get a Whirlwinder/Roarer and Phaze you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Apr 2013 15:58:09 No.12124992 Report

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>>12121669
>What is steel and ground type
>Implying ground is immune to toxic

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Apr 2013 17:11:29 No.12125338 Report

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