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Anonymous Sat 27 Apr 2013 02:25:51 No.12130806 View View Reply Original Report

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I'm trying to improve my competitive game but I don't want to use the same old same old Pokemon so I have a few questions for competitive/smogonfags here:

1) How important are the tiers away from battle simulators? I heard NU/RU/OU etc. are entirely based upon how often they are used and that there are competitively great Pokemon in NU/RU/etc. that can stand up to OU Pokemon.

2) How well do competitive teams work outside of multiplayer? I've tried using a couple of competitively oriented Pokemon in PWT and got my ass handed to me.

3) I'm really into the idea of double/triple teams and using the Pokemon to work together and getting a really good synergy going between them. How different is double/3v3 competitively from 1v1 competitive play?

4) What is the best approach to having not just a strong team but also keeping the battles fun and interesting instead of just a 1HKO or constant switchfest?

5) How important are good IVs really? I've heard they don't actually matter all that much unless you're in a tourney of some kind. But it's obviously preferable to get good ones.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Apr 2013 02:27:37 No.12130821 Report

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IVs I'm going to address, you want all of them high, but speed must be perfect. This is because speed is a 50/50 thing not subject to gradation, you're either faster or slower and that can decide the match.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Apr 2013 02:34:07 No.12130902 Report

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Just use a battle simulator. Raising Pokemon on the actual games is an incredible waste of time.

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Shuckle !!W5q/1vJKOHU Sat 27 Apr 2013 02:35:13 No.12130920 Report

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The tiers serve as a guide to how much the Pokemon are used, and there is some good stuff in lower tiers. I use Kingdra which is in UU and Ludicolo/Sawsbuck which are NU well in OU, but remember that most of the stuff in lower tiers is either outclassed or flawed in some way. I'd recommend using a generic smogon team until you get the hang of the metagame, and over time use more unorthodox stuff. As a general guide, most of UU, and some of RU/NU can be used well in OU. Outside of multiplayer, competitive teams still work great, but the PWT is notorious for being hax in the extreme. In competitive to try and keep it fun use new Pokes, don't stick to one team. Use sets that are unexpected, think about using a lower tier Poke in a way which could counter higher tiers, i.e. Ludicolo as a rain counter. As for IV's, you want them all to be 31 unless you're using a Hidden Power of some sort.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Apr 2013 02:47:12 No.12131048 Report

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Yes the tiers are based on usage, but the best pokemon are often the most used because people want to have a higher chance of winning.
There are many very strong pokemon in the lower tiers, but they are usually either outclassed by other pokemon that can do the same thing but better, are very strong in a vacuum, but do poorly against commonly used pokemon, have very niche uses that most teams don't need, or can only do one thing well which is easy to put a stop to.

Strong pokemon are going to be strong no matter what however something like Stone Edge with its really low PP isn't something I'd want to use on a pokemon for a single player playthrough, and there's really nothing wrong with just having 4 fire moves on your Charizard in single player. PWT is a bit different though, and it cheats a lot even.

Doubles battles are very different from singles.

IVs can make a big difference. Sometimes they don't make a single difference, but sometimes they're the difference between getting an OHKO, or a 2 hit KO which can be the difference between winning or not. Speed is of course the most important IV by far.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Apr 2013 02:53:00 No.12131092 Report

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Go to nuggetbridge.com for doubles info.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Apr 2013 02:56:27 No.12131125 Report

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Also. PWT has basically been "beaten" with a team od Worry Seed U-Turn Taunt Whimsicott, Entrainment Durant and Protect DDance Dragonite.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Apr 2013 04:49:51 No.12132251 Report

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>How important are the tiers away from battle simulators? I heard NU/RU/OU etc. are entirely based upon how often they are used and that there are competitively great Pokemon in NU/RU/etc. that can stand up to OU Pokemon.

The fact that you're not gonna run into Drought Ninetails/Drizzle Politoed changes the tiers a lot.

Personally I'd just do everything Smogon bans. Get tons of Pokemon with Moody, put the entire opponent's team to sleep and spam Double Team/Minimize.

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