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>>12196985
Yeah, that needs to stop.

>>12196991
As long as it defeat the top three types (Dragon, Fighting, Steel) while boosting lesser used types (e.g Poison) does it matter if it make sense or not? I mean if people are ham-fisting Light/Fairy into being strong Dragon, Fighting, and Steel with flimsy logic, the same could be used for Poison vs Sound.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2013 19:25:51 No.12197118 Report

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>>12197101
I'd like to hear ANY logic that says sound would be affected by anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2013 19:29:35 No.12197141 Report

Quoted By: >>12197162 >>12197202 >>12197223

>>12196991
>Poison beats sound
In theatrical plays, singers are commonly killed with poison. Bronchitis is disease of the lungs.

>>12197003
>Loud sounds could break ice
Loud sounds also cause avalanches that drown and freeze the person who made the noise.

>>12197035
>All three supereffective against Dragon
Light is also the Saint type; Knights in shining armor kill dragons. Fairies use magic to fight dragons. Music soothes the savage beast.

There's a reason that 9 of the top 10 competitive pokemon have types like water, dragon, and rock. These types are partly meant to address things like that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2013 19:33:28 No.12197162 Report

Quoted By: >>12197181

>>12197141
>Loud sounds also cause avalanches
Maybe ice and sound super effective against eachother, then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2013 19:35:52 No.12197181 Report

Quoted By: >>12197188

>>12197162
Ice is already defensively useless. It needs a buff so that people will actually use Ice type pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2013 19:37:27 No.12197188 Report

Quoted By: >>12197232

>>12197181
These types aren't the way to do it. Sound breaks ice, and light melts ice.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 03 May 2013 19:39:27 No.12197202 Report

Quoted By: >>12197232

>>12197141

>mfw you can come up with retarded situations like this for why anything can be super effective/not very effective on anything

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2013 19:41:10 No.12197211 Report

Quoted By: >>12197219 >>12197230

Why wasting time on something that will never exist?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2013 19:41:52 No.12197219 Report

Quoted By: >>12197226 >>12197229

>>12197211
pokemon will never exist, too

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2013 19:42:47 No.12197223 Report

Quoted By: >>12197254

>>12197141
If that's the logic you're going with, why don't you make Light weak to Fire, Fighting, Psychic, and Bug?

And I've actually been fascinated with the Fairy speculation. Fairy can be super against Psychic, Grass, and Fire, but weak to Steel, Light, Poison, and Water. Sound is less effective against Fairies, and 0 against Light. Somewhat more logical imho.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2013 19:42:56 No.12197226 Report

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>>12197219
#wrectum

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2013 19:43:38 No.12197229 Report

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>>12197219
Pokémon will, new types maybe, but fairy, light, sound, nope.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2013 19:43:50 No.12197230 Report

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>>12197211
Speculation is fun, m8.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2013 19:44:12 No.12197232 Report

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>>12197188
>>12197202
It's not like the official type match ups are perfectly sensible, either.

This is being done with the aim of balancing the metagame, not making it worse. Can you suggest a better way to improve fundamental problems with the types that don't involve changing their resistances or adding new types?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2013 19:47:42 No.12197254 Report

Quoted By: >>12197354

>>12197223
This is being done to balance the metagame first, and the justifications come afterward. If we went with "lol! logic" all the time, we could justify fire being supereffective against water because fire turns water to steam, or poison being effective against bug because of pesticides.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2013 19:56:34 No.12197325 Report

Quoted By: >>12197355 >>12197537

>buffing poison and nerfing dragon in stupid ways that make no sense just for the sake of trying to "balance" them
>wouldn't balance them anyway
>light existing at all when fighting is already dark's counterpart
>any of them existing
>sound NVE against ice

ITT the new autism general starring OP

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2013 19:59:59 No.12197354 Report

Quoted By: >>12197368 >>12197407

>>12197254
It's not all about Dragons and Dark, son. Try seeing these potential types as balancing out the OTHER more common types in the meta. And if GF can put actual thought into what works against what, you can, too.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 03 May 2013 20:00:18 No.12197355 Report

Quoted By: >>12197585

>>12197325
You want the explanation? Here it is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2013 20:02:32 No.12197368 Report

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>>12197354
The types that dominate the metagame are types like water, fighting, rock and dragon.

Dark is just incidental, and I still don't like how Fairy is presented. What does it have to with dark?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2013 20:07:33 No.12197407 Report

Quoted By: >>12199082

>>12197354
New types are only for adding new types.

Not for balancing. Which is where people screw up by trying to nerf types they mistakenly believe are unbalanced.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2013 20:25:40 No.12197537 Report

Quoted By: >>12198955

>>12197325
I'm this guy

Instead of just criticizing, I'm going to post my ideas too. Since the only one that has the slightest chance of happening next gen is Fairy/Magic, I'll create that type.

>Offense
2x
- Ghost
- Fighting

1/2x
- Psychic
- Steel
- Rock
- Fairy/Magic

0x
- Normal

>Defense
2x
- Poison
- Psychic

1/2x
- Dragon
- Fire
- Water
- Grass
- Electric
- Fairy/Magic

Rock changes:
>now resists Electric and Bug
>Sneaky Pebbles keeps the same mechanics but does 33% to a Pokemon 4x weak to Rock instead of 50%. I think rocks are fine but everyone can't stop bitching about them so a minor nerf would do

Poison changes:
>super-effective against Bug again
>all poison status is like Toxic's poison
>all poison moves that currently have a chance to inflict poison get lowered to 10% chance to inflict except for Poison Fang and Poison Tail, each with 30%
>Toxic Spikes first layer is now simply a Poison-type Spikes, second layer removes the initial damage but poisons the enemy upon switchin

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2013 20:31:50 No.12197585 Report

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>>12197355
>Water/Steel are justified in its explanation, but not in that they simply need a nerf
>"music soothes the savage beast" but most things blocked by Soundproof are just loud noises and yelling
>>for the sake of flavor

>>sound doesnt travel well through snow
>above explains about resonance
>that poison justification rofl
>the rest of the justification purely to try and balance existing types

Looks like that image was based on the ancient japanese legend of autism

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2013 20:34:14 No.12197606 Report

Quoted By: >>12198232

>>12196946
No offense, OP, but I hope to god you're wrong. I just...don't want another type. I hope you can accept my opinion as just that as I have accepted yours.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2013 21:37:10 No.12198232 Report

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>>12197606
This wasn't about GF adding a new type. This was a thought experiment in what would be the best assignment of resistances and weaknesses in hypothetical new types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2013 23:02:47 No.12198955 Report

Quoted By: >>12199347

>>12197537
While you have the right idea making it resist dragon and defeat fighting, that also causes some more imbalances. You're giving grass yet another type its useless against, giving steel yet another resistance, and giving rock a resistance it doesn't need.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 03 May 2013 23:13:43 No.12199082 Report

Quoted By: >>12199362

>>12197407
Lots of types are unbalanced.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2013 23:37:16 No.12199347 Report

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>>12198955
Ok then grass would be neutral against it, whatever.

Steel would be a defensive powerhouse anyway without resisting it, and giving Rock more resistances is fine since they're supposed to be defensive and all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2013 23:39:16 No.12199362 Report

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>>12199082
>Weak to normal
Worst idea.

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