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Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 14:06:54 No.12224430 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>12224452 >>12224468 >>12224653 >>12224937 >>12225049 >>12225453

What are the things that genwunner will absolutely hate in generation VI?

Prediction and wild guesses are welcomed.

Also, pic not related, enjoy.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 14:08:25 No.12224435 Report

Quoted By: >>12224642

This one is obvious.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 14:08:29 No.12224436 Report

Quoted By: >>12224685 >>12230875 >>12230936

3D
New features
The obligatory Pokemon based on inanimate objects

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 14:08:50 No.12224439 Report

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> any gen1 evolution
> no sprites

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 14:11:19 No.12224450 Report

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Everything, because it's not gen I.

>captcha: n forsum and

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 14:11:35 No.12224452 Report

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>>12224430
everything, gratuitously

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 14:12:34 No.12224454 Report

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M-M-MUH SPRITES
MUH ORIGINAL 150
MUH GYAMEBOY
MU- HOLY SHIT A NEW CALL OF DUTY GAME

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 14:13:27 No.12224455 Report

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The Pokémon, the region, the protagonists, and the 3D.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 14:14:12 No.12224460 Report

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they give an evo to jynx

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 14:17:22 No.12224468 Report

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>>12224430

>magintwo

>lazy designs

also new type

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 14:18:42 No.12224478 Report

Quoted By: >>12224499

Everything. Genwunners hate everything.

>WAHHH NEW POKEMON DESIGNS ARE ALL SHIT, I KNOW BEST EVEN THOUGH I HAVE NEVER STUDIED ANYTHING RELATED TO ART AND DESIGN
>WAHHH THEY EVOLVED A POKEMON I NEVER EVEN CAUGHT LET ALONE USED
>WAHHH 3D, HOW DARE MY POKEMON LOOK ACTUALLY GOOD NOW AND NOT JUST AN ANIMATED GIF
>WAHHH THE NEW CHARACTERS ARE SHIT BRING BACK BROCK AND MISTY AND...THAT GUY WHOSE NAME I FORGOT
>THE PLAYER CHARACTERS LOOK GAY I WANT TO LOOK LIKE AN EXTREME 90S KID AGAIN EVEN THOUGH I DON'T EVEN DRESS THAT WAY IRL
>WAHHH 3DS IS SHIT BECAUSE I CAN'T AFFORD ONE
>WAHHH HOW DARE PEOPLE ENJOY NEW FEATURES LIKE DOUBLE AND TRIPLE BATTLES THAT'S NOT HOW POKEMON WAS INTENDED, I WOULD KNOW, BEING A FAT AMERICAN WHITE MALE BETWEEN THE AGES OF 20 AND 30, THE PRIMARY TARGET AUDIENCE

I can't wait for the butthurt. If you can't accept change, you don't deserve to enjoy it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 14:19:25 No.12224481 Report

Quoted By: >>12224662

They will hate everything.

They won't even play it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 14:23:50 No.12224499 Report

Quoted By: >>12224540 >>12224602 >>12225235

>>12224478
>EVEN THOUGH I HAVE NEVER STUDIED ANYTHING RELATED TO ART AND DESIGN

Elitist faggot detected. I love all 5 gens and even I think that's a stupid thing to say. If something looks like shit, it looks like shit. If only artists can appreciate it, you've failed as an artist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 14:34:39 No.12224540 Report

Quoted By: >>12224609

>>12224499
Uh, no. That wasn't even me but I'm smart enough to realize he's referring to the constant criticism of new designs, JUST because they're new. The day someone actually argues that certain designs are flawed/hastily made and brings some artistic experience with it is the day I listen to an opinion on /vp/.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 14:51:27 No.12224602 Report

Quoted By: >>12225532

>>12224499
You don't need to be an artist, but a lot of Pokemon designs, particularly 3 onwards, require a bit of understanding on their origins. I'm a staunch supporter of designs that aren't "what you see is what you get".

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 14:53:45 No.12224609 Report

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>>12224540
If the line had just been "Wahhh new Pokemon designs are all shit", then I would be inclined to agree. But the second part clearly implied that they're not allowed to criticize unless you've studied art. That's bullshit. Genwunners aren't allowed to criticize new Pokemon because they just hate everything new.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:03:59 No.12224642 Report

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>>12224435
You guys call me a genwunner all the time... Personally, I don't see it, but whatever. Anyway, my problem with mewthree is that I just can't get over his toes, that's all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:06:22 No.12224653 Report

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>>12224430
It's almost like you are going out of your way to start the nostalgia vs baby war early.... Come on man, it's inevitably going to happen. When the games are released I'm not going to be able to say I don't like a new Pokemon without being called a "nostalgiafag" or "genwunner". I don't want to deal with it all now. Wait until release day, then go nuts as usual.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:07:30 No.12224659 Report

Quoted By: >>12224680

Bout to blow your minds:

Nostalgiafags aren't upset over (most) of the actual designs, they are upset over the art style.

BOOM!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:08:11 No.12224662 Report

Quoted By: >>12224672

>>12224481
Nah, they'll play it. How else will they know what to whine about?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:09:23 No.12224672 Report

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>>12224662
It's new.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:10:48 No.12224680 Report

Quoted By: >>12224691

>>12224659
No they're not. The art style hasn't changed because the guy in charge of graphic design is the same fucking person. The graphics have improved and in the actual artwork peoples faces are less blocky. That's it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:12:22 No.12224685 Report

Quoted By: >>12224784 >>12225056

>>12224436
but what will the object be?
murricans love icecream and trash so they got those two, what will France get?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:12:55 No.12224686 Report

Quoted By: >>12224710

DSbaby logic: Can't criticize new designs because they are new and therefore better.

Makes sense.

Seriously, some of you are on the opposite end of the terrible-for-the-community Pokemon player spectrum and don't even realize it. You are just as bad as nostalgiafags.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:14:34 No.12224691 Report

Quoted By: >>12224693 >>12224775

>>12224680
Art style has definitely changed bro. If you can't see that you must be blind.

You have to have at least noticed how the style has the mascot has drastically changed, right? Pikachu used to be chubby and mouse-like, now he is almost anthropomorphic. That's the most glaring example I can think of.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:15:43 No.12224693 Report

Quoted By: >>12224698

>>12224691
That changed because of the anime. Skinnychu is easier to animate than Chubbychu. Name me a better example.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:16:56 No.12224698 Report

Quoted By: >>12224706

>>12224693
Dragonite.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:18:06 No.12224706 Report

Quoted By: >>12224724

>>12224698
Dragonite looks exactly the same to me as it ever has.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:18:51 No.12224710 Report

Quoted By: >>12224716 >>12224718

>>12224686
>Implying there's anyone who says you're not allowed to criticize Gen V Pokemon.

This isn't even close to a fair comparison.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:19:52 No.12224716 Report

Quoted By: >>12224722

>>12224710
Have you even seen the old sprites?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:20:38 No.12224718 Report

Quoted By: >>12224739

>>12224710
They don't say it outright.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:21:08 No.12224722 Report

Quoted By: >>12224731

>>12224716

What?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:21:11 No.12224724 Report

Quoted By: >>12224780

>>12224706
I meant you.

Have you even seen the old sprites?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:22:24 No.12224731 Report

Quoted By: >>12224744

>>12224722
Seriously, compare Gen 1 Dragonite to modern Dragonite.

Another example I just thought of was Charizard, do the same for him. If you don't know what I'm talking about, you will after you look at the pics side by side.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:23:37 No.12224739 Report

Quoted By: >>12224769

>>12224718
Show me the guy who implies it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:24:10 No.12224744 Report

Quoted By: >>12224760

>>12224731

I don't see what sprites have to do with the design itself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:26:10 No.12224760 Report

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>>12224744
The sprites have everything to do with the design... Those lines that make up the designs have been slowly moving over the years, and the sprites are the most important art from each generation... The sprites are how people see the Pokemon as they play.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:28:04 No.12224769 Report

Quoted By: >>12224777

>>12224739
Fuck they're all over /vp/ guy... Look for your self.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:28:48 No.12224775 Report

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>>12224691
Actually if you compare skinnychu to a mouse or hamster he resembles the body type more.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:29:14 No.12224777 Report

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>>12224769
I use /vp/ all the time. You're either lying or paranoid.

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Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:29:55 No.12224780 Report

Quoted By: >>12224820 >>12224838

>>12224724
Yes I have. Now if you're talking about Green, I can see a drastic change, but look me in the eyes and tell me the Gen 5 Dragonite sprite isn't better looking.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:29:56 No.12224781 Report

Quoted By: >>12224798

Gen 1 appreciation thread?

Gen 1 appreciation thread!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:30:30 No.12224784 Report

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>>12224685

Baguettes and Berets

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:33:26 No.12224792 Report

Quoted By: >>12224822 >>12224838

Also, consider this... If you really want to attribute all the design changes made over the years (proportion, color, shading) to "updated graphics," then we have to acknowledge that a particular direction was taken with the new graphics. So if we are going to ignore that they are in fact real design changes, then I'll say that the new art direction is the real reason nostalgiafags dislike new Pokemon.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:34:26 No.12224798 Report

Quoted By: >>12224808

>>12224781
Even if newer designs suck, we'll always have the beauties

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:34:31 No.12224800 Report

Quoted By: >>12224821

The one thing that Nostalgiafags in general will complain about:
>WHY DID THEY GIVE **** AN EVOLUTION? IT WAS FINE AS IS! FUCK YOU NINTENDO
>**** was a Pokémon that had low stats, lack of moves and was overall forgettable
>Complaining that a new Gen made a throwaway into a collectable
>Still blaming Nintendo for things they do not have control over

GameFreak makes the fucking games. Nintendo publishes them. Get your facts straight.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:35:33 No.12224808 Report

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>>12224798
From what I've seen Gen VI is trying to pander to gen 1 fans (true pokemon fans)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:37:16 No.12224820 Report

Quoted By: >>12224833 >>12224846

>>12224780
It's not, the art has taken a more cutesy style. Gen 1 Dragonite was better, and I'm not talking about green. I would be happy with updated graphics for the old style Dragonite. I really can't believe you are going to sit there and deny it, anyone can see it.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:37:18 No.12224821 Report

Quoted By: >>12224835

>>12224800
That's the problem with Hoennbabbys and newer fans, all they care about is stats

That's not what Pokemon is about

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:37:32 No.12224822 Report

Quoted By: >>12224851

>>12224792
You'd be easier to agree with if you pointed out any one thing or reason in particular you don't like the way the graphics have changed other than that they're newer and different. I think it was a logical progression as technology advanced to update the look of the game. It really hasn't changed too terribly much when you consider the way other Nintendo franchises have changed over the years.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:39:04 No.12224833 Report

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>>12224820
If anything it looks less cutesy to me. Dragonite looks less like Barney now and more like a fuckin dragon. Dragonite appeared in the anime way back when looking exactly like its current gen sprite.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:39:36 No.12224835 Report

Quoted By: >>12224848

>>12224821
Please tell me, what is Pokemon about

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:40:04 No.12224838 Report

Quoted By: >>12224850 >>12224851

>>12224780
>>12224792
By the way in case you are wondering on specifics... Shading is a major change, the wings have become a lot more flimsy, his belly now goes all the way up to his neck, antenna are longer and thinner... All these things add up to a drastic change.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:40:48 No.12224846 Report

Quoted By: >>12224855

>>12224820
I wouldn't say Dragonite got cuter. His design was always very cutesy, as were the rest of the Pokemon.
The problem with the sprites since Gen 3 onward was that they were carbon copies of the Sugimori artworks poses, so they were just standing and plain. Gen 1 and 2 tended to give more dynamic and intense poses for the battle sprites.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:41:46 No.12224848 Report

Quoted By: >>12224860

>>12224835
Heart & Soul which are depicted through designs

Gen 1 pokemon have souls

Gen 2 onwards are just cash-out, uninspired, heartless trash

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:42:01 No.12224850 Report

Quoted By: >>12224869

>>12224838
Are we looking at the same picture?

Shading changes depending on light source so its normal for it to vary depending on pose, but I do not see a drastic change at all. Remember, Red and Yellow came out in the same gen and all of those differences are apparent from just the Red sprite to the Yellow one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:42:28 No.12224851 Report

Quoted By: >>12224870

>>12224822
Fine, here are my particular reasons for not liking new Dragonite: >>12224838

And in case you haven't noticed, Dragonite is the only one I've mentioned that I actually prefer the old sprite. I'm only saying that sprites have changed, and this is the real reason behind nostalgiafag's hate of new designs.

Yes, graphics have to be updated with time. But it could have taken a thousand different routes. This particular route does not agree with nostalgiafag's impressions of Pokemon from the old designs. That is why some people who have been around from the beginning are happy with the new games, and others become nostalgiafags.

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Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:43:00 No.12224855 Report

Quoted By: >>12225983 >>12225990

>>12224846
pic bro

so much heart and soul

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:43:25 No.12224860 Report

Quoted By: >>12224876

>>12224848
They arguably put more thought into Pokemon designs now than they did back then. How can Magneton and Dugtrio have more "soul" than Oshawott?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:45:08 No.12224869 Report

Quoted By: >>12224877 >>12224886

>>12224850
Shading does depend on light source, so it will vary with pose, yes. But old shading was much more dramatic, which I guess you could attribute to a stronger light source as opposed to pose. These are still choices the designers take, it's not natural light.

Also, wings, antenna, belly. Yes, it is a drastic change. It is very glaring. I can't believe you are sitting there trying to deny that these things have added up to a drastic change. But, to each his own, I guess.... Not really, you're still blind.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:45:18 No.12224870 Report

Quoted By: >>12224879

>>12224851
What would you prefer the new sprites to look like instead then?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:47:02 No.12224876 Report

Quoted By: >>12224882 >>12232950

>>12224860
Oshawott is a mess and overdesigned for the 1st stage of a 3 stage evolution starter

Magneton and Dugtrio are easy to draw for kids and have clear gimmick and backstorys

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:47:10 No.12224877 Report

Quoted By: >>12224883

>>12224869
Wings look the same to me as they did in Gold, belly and antenna look the same to me as they did in Yellow.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:47:26 No.12224879 Report

Quoted By: >>12224888

>>12224870
I don't know why you assume I want to change the Pokemon's art style. I was trying to make a point about why nostalgiafags like what they like, then we got hung up on my love for old Dragonite.

I'm not artistic enough to create a new art style for Pokemon, but you can't deny that it could be done.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:47:56 No.12224882 Report

Quoted By: >>12224896

>>12224876
Overdesigned doesn't mean anything, use another word to explain why you feel this way.

Gimmicks have more heart and soul to you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:48:00 No.12224883 Report

Quoted By:

>>12224877
Like I said, blind.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:48:28 No.12224886 Report

Quoted By: >>12224890

>>12224869
you ever consider that its just being viewed from a different angle and is still the same?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:49:08 No.12224888 Report

Quoted By: >>12224904

>>12224879
It could be done, but it wouldn't necessarily be "better"

If I misunderstood you I apologize. To me it sounded like you were speaking AS a nostalgia fag, not on behalf of them, and that you felt this way as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:50:05 No.12224890 Report

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>>12224886
If you actually read my post, I acknowledged the different angle. Light source is still stronger in the older sprites. The shading is way too drastically changed for it to just be pose.

Also, the designers control the light source.

Also, wings, antenna, belly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:52:00 No.12224896 Report

Quoted By: >>12224905 >>12224911 >>12224944

>>12224882
Oshawotts freakles and shell on it's chest, they don't belong there or have a story behind them

Bulbasaurs buld grows as it evolves
Squirtle keeps the shell on it's back
Charmander dies if it's tail flame goes out

I didn't mean I like design based gimmicks

Magneton's are 3 Magnamites joint together because of magnetism

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:52:54 No.12224904 Report

Quoted By: >>12224913

>>12224888
No problem. Basically, I think if you drew Vanillite in the old style he would have got a much better reaction from nostalgiafags. That's all I was trying to say.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:53:00 No.12224905 Report

Quoted By:

>>12224896

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:54:02 No.12224911 Report

Quoted By: >>12224943

>>12224896
There is a story behind Oshawott's shell. It becomes a Katana.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:54:27 No.12224913 Report

Quoted By: >>12224929

>>12224904
lol no
Most fans hate the ice cream pokemon, it was a joke

A different pose wouldn't win over any significant gen 1 believers

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:57:20 No.12224929 Report

Quoted By: >>12224965

>>12224913
I just said a better reaction. And it would have had to have been from the beginning, in order to change perspective. He is pretty much a lost cause for gen 1 now, but it could have been different.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 15:59:33 No.12224937 Report

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>>12224430
Wow, this genwun faggot really ruined the thread.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 16:00:13 No.12224943 Report

Quoted By: >>12224945 >>12224957 >>12224981 >>12224985

>>12224911
>Oshawott's shell. It becomes a Katana.

That's just....not as natural as Bulbasaurs bulb growing

The shell moves location as it evolves (and multiplys)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 16:00:40 No.12224944 Report

Quoted By: >>12224986 >>12225044 >>12225370

>>12224896
Only Bulbasaur is well-thought out in the design because of the bulb, and Squirtle was pretty bland until it gained cannons. Charmander is very generic and "muh tail flame" is pretty much stupid because it has no effect at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 16:00:56 No.12224945 Report

Quoted By: >>12224986

>>12224943
Because cannons coming out of the shell out of nowhere is so fuckin natural.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 16:02:22 No.12224957 Report

Quoted By: >>12224984

>>12224943
>pokemon
>natural

what is suspension of disbelief

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 16:03:09 No.12224965 Report

Quoted By: >>12224975

>>12224929
>He is pretty much a lost cause for gen 1 now

Don't make it sound like Vanilite is only hated by a minority

And look at those secondary results "Is Vanilite good" - A question only asked by fags who judge pokemon on how good they are in battle

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 16:03:25 No.12224966 Report

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The fact that models replaced sprites.
I've seen already a large quantity of mad due to it.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 16:05:43 No.12224975 Report

Quoted By: >>12224997

>>12224965
>people using google search inputs as an argument for anything

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 16:06:29 No.12224981 Report

Quoted By:

>>12224943
>genwunners believe this

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 16:06:54 No.12224984 Report

Quoted By:

>>12224957
Suspension of belief only goes so far.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 16:07:05 No.12224985 Report

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>>12224943
And this is why you never trust genwunners for Pokemon design.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 16:07:13 No.12224986 Report

Quoted By: >>12224994

>>12224945
>>12224944
>Because cannons coming out of the shell out of nowhere is so fuckin natural.

I'm taking about stuff making sense
Squirtle, Wartortle, Blastoice all have a shell on their back
When the connons come out the shell remains in place

>Charmander is very generic and "muh tail flame" is pretty much stupid because it has no effect at all.

Should charmander die when hit by a water attack or something?

It's not generic, it's simple with a nice backstory

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 16:09:02 No.12224994 Report

Quoted By: >>12225024

>>12224986
Something that is not really elaborated and is pretty pointless in the long run. Knowing the anime, it made a big deal about it and everyone and their mother thought it was important.

And what the fuck? Of course the shell remains intact because they're based off a turtle. What kind of retardedness is that?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 16:09:50 No.12224997 Report

Quoted By: >>12225003

>>12224975
Seriously dude
/vp/ is the only place where you might find some love for gen v pokes (because hipster)

Most people, normal people, most pokemon fans prefer gen 1 designs

This is fact

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 16:11:00 No.12225003 Report

Quoted By: >>12225034

>>12224997
>most people
>le facebook people

Try going to actual pokemon fansites

>ib4IGN

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 16:12:14 No.12225008 Report

Quoted By: >>12225047

Please, Kindly refrain from feeding the trolls.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 16:14:48 No.12225024 Report

Quoted By: >>12225047

>>12224994
>And what the fuck? Of course the shell remains intact because they're based off a turtle. What kind of retardedness is that?
You can see the similarities thoughout the Sqirtle line
The water cannons don't mess up the natural flow of the design
but Samurott looks nothing like Dewott

>Something that is not really elaborated and is pretty pointless in the long run. Knowing the anime, it made a big deal about it and everyone and their mother thought it was important.
The fuck?
All I'm saying is that Charmanders flame tail is unobtrusive and has a story behind it

Oshawott's shell is a big focus of the design and the focus on the shell fucks up it's evolutions

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Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 16:16:28 No.12225034 Report

Quoted By: >>12225043 >>12225047 >>12225055

>>12225003
>fuck the majority because they don't agree with me!

Not even a clear majority of /vp/ agree with you

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 16:18:10 No.12225043 Report

Quoted By:

>>12225034
Oh god, that 1%.

/vp/ confirmed for contrarian faggots.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 16:18:29 No.12225044 Report

Quoted By:

>>12224944
>Charmander
>Generic

It's still the second most popular mon after Pikachu

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 16:19:02 No.12225047 Report

Quoted By: >>12225065

>>12225008
I know but I can't resist. Oh well, just one last reply.

>>12225024
The fuck? Oshawott's shell remains consistent as it represents its weapon. Genwun faggots aren't that creative since they're restricted. And if you're gonna pull the "Samurott looks nothing like Dewott" despite their colors matching, you might as well complain about Dragonite.

>>12225034
>using a very old, clearly biased poll

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 16:19:06 No.12225049 Report

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>>12224430
>no heart-shaped tail
She's just one of those "lol im so nerdy because i like pokemon" girls.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 16:20:22 No.12225055 Report

Quoted By: >>12225077 >>12225083

>>12225034

What poll is this? Another one from /vp/ I've seen had Gen V in second place and Gen I last.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 16:20:24 No.12225056 Report

Quoted By: >>12226181

>>12224685
Snails and frogs.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 16:22:54 No.12225065 Report

Quoted By: >>12225097

>>12225047
>The fuck? Oshawott's shell remains consistent

When Oshawott evolves it gets a "shell" on each it's legs
It goes from having 1 shell to 4

Dragonite was the psudo-legendary and it's pre evos were supposed to be weak compared to the final form (like Magikarp to Gyarados)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 16:24:07 No.12225075 Report

Quoted By:

Oshawott also uses it's shell to break open hard berries.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 16:24:35 No.12225077 Report

Quoted By: >>12225090 >>12225097

>>12225055
That poll isn't /vp/, it's general population

Unless you have a link to the poll, it didn't happen

/vp/ tried to influence it but they acknowledged that /b/ and /v/ would support gen 1

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 16:25:27 No.12225083 Report

Quoted By:

>>12225055
any poll on 4chan is bullshit because of poxy voting

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 16:25:54 No.12225090 Report

Quoted By: >>12230844

>>12225077

At least /v/ is starting to take notice of genwunners.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 16:26:30 No.12225097 Report

Quoted By: >>12225159 >>12225167 >>12226889

>>12225065
And yet a bunch of pseudo-legendaries are consistent in their design. Only Dragonite isn't.

And what is a scabbard and bracers? Really, your "fuel" for genwun design shows your lack of creativity.

>>12225077
Yeah. It's a biased poll.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 16:34:43 No.12225159 Report

Quoted By:

>>12225097
>And yet a bunch of pseudo-legendaries are consistent in their design. Only Dragonite isn't.
Salamence?
Tyranitar?
The final evo being vatly different was the norm, it's a good thing because you get a nice suprise after having raised it so many levels

The bracers to samurott are a random addition

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 16:36:13 No.12225167 Report

Quoted By:

>>12225097
>Disagree with your opinion
>Must be biased

Sound logic

Gen 1 will always be the most loved. Deal with it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 16:38:00 No.12225181 Report

Quoted By: >>12225199 >>12225609

ITT: Another genwar, newfags that can't understand that the first gen looked more like monsters than neopets, while someone posts awesome images of pkmn cards that used to came with ?candy?

Don't remeber exactly, I just know that somewhere in my room I have one Kingler card, one with Hitmonlee looking at a Mewtwo.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 16:41:10 No.12225199 Report

Quoted By:

>>12225181
>first gen looked more like monsters than neopets
Wise words

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 16:42:17 No.12225210 Report

Quoted By: >>12225226

Garbage and Ice Cream thread?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 16:44:37 No.12225226 Report

Quoted By: >>12225238

>>12225210

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 16:45:18 No.12225235 Report

Quoted By: >>12225266 >>12225348

>>12224499
That's the thing. No Pokemon looks like shit. Even things like Voltorb, Grimer, Vanillish or Trubbish have been explicitly designed by a designer hired to design a Pokemon because they have experience in DESIGN. They have education and knowledge of design application of a scape FAR beyond people like you or the uneducated masses can conceive. They're not Da Vinci or anything but the fact that their franchise has proven popular for fifteen years SOLID without break is undeniable proof that these designs achieve what they set out to do.

You people have this hang-up where if YOU personally don't like it, on a PERSONAL LEVEL, that makes it a bad design. That's not true. Not all Pokemon are going to appeal to all people. That's a given. They're intended to be that way. But don't talk about design when you are least qualified of all to comment on it. You're allowed to dislike Pokemon designs, but you can't honestly say you could do a better job when 1) you can't draw and 2) you know nothing about either design (either graphically or artistically) and 3) you don't even understand the relationship between target audience and development.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 16:45:43 No.12225238 Report

Quoted By:

>>12225226
>hoennbabby

That's not even relevant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 16:47:54 No.12225254 Report

Quoted By: >>12225279

People who use the term "Hoennbabby" are worse than the so-called Hoennbabbies themselves.

Unless it's just an ironic joke that I haven't grasped quite yet.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 16:48:52 No.12225266 Report

Quoted By:

>>12225235
It's not about general design

It's about new designs not being faithful to the original pokemon designs

Shit like garabdor and icecream-mon are good designs

but shit POKEMON designs

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 16:50:51 No.12225279 Report

Quoted By: >>12225316

>>12225254
Everyone has a name
Genwunner / nostalgiafag
Johtoddler / nostalgiafag
hoennbabby
sinnogfetusses
Unovasperm / unovabortions

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 16:56:08 No.12225316 Report

Quoted By: >>12225338

>>12225279
Those are all really, really retarded, and anybody who uses them is a tool.

>Sinnohfetuses
Surely you're trolling.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 16:57:29 No.12225323 Report

Quoted By:

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 16:59:59 No.12225338 Report

Quoted By: >>12226990

>>12225316
>Those are all really, really retarded
>and anybody who uses them is a tool
Who says tool anymore? Kill yourself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 17:00:49 No.12225348 Report

Quoted By: >>12225366 >>12225367 >>12225372

>>12225235
Pokemon use to be on the scary side, even eevee looked malicious at first. Now they are made for the kids(they also know about the slice of the market that aren't kids), with bright colors and shiny eyes.
I doubt they will ever remake a city like Lavender that is about pokemon dying, Team Rocket massacrating pokemon, with eerie music and ghosts haunting you.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 17:03:03 No.12225366 Report

Quoted By: >>12225436

>>12225348
>Now they are made for the kids
>I doubt they will ever remake a city like Lavender that is about pokemon dying, Team Rocket massacrating pokemon, with eerie music and ghosts haunting you.

Alright satire/10.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 17:03:07 No.12225367 Report

Quoted By: >>12225436

>>12225348
151 fan here

but there was the Old Chareu (Rotom)
the cemetary towers in Hoenn & Unova

But Lavender town was the only place that actually had a pokemon dying as part of the story, where you battle ghost Marowak

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 17:03:15 No.12225370 Report

Quoted By: >>12225388 >>12225456

>>12224944
>charmander is very generic
Well yes, now that there are over 600 'mons. At the time, it was the only pokemon with a flame at the end of it's tail.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 17:03:23 No.12225372 Report

Quoted By: >>12225436 >>12226997

>>12225348
What?

If anything they're actually becoming creepier than before. From actually referencing a Pokedex entry of Litwick in an NPC, to that abandoned manor... Stop being dense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 17:05:30 No.12225388 Report

Quoted By:

>>12225370
Back then its design was very generic. The only thing "unique" about it was the tail flame, which becomes insignificant in the long run. Even Squirtle suffers from it until the final evolution. Bulbasaur line is the most well-thoughtout because it actually took an effort to add something really distinct without being easily obscured (its plant pod).

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 17:10:17 No.12225436 Report

Quoted By: >>12225446

>>12225366
>>12225367
>>12225372
Okay, now tell me. Any of you guys get scared when read they pokedex entries or tried with all you will to not enter the old chateau or cemeraty towers?
I used to turn off sound when passing through lavender and scared by the bizarre looking ghosts that I couldn't defeat or catch.
With all those cute looking pokemon, a kid wouldn't be scared even if one was cut in half bleeding on the screen(they would do it, because it would probably be an achievement).

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 17:11:30 No.12225446 Report

Quoted By:

>>12225436
That's because you were a kid back then. When I play Lavender Town now I don't feel a thing at all. Kids today will still feel the creepiness.

And last I checked Gengar looks less creepy and look cute in a Cheshire sort of way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 17:12:39 No.12225453 Report

Quoted By:

>>12224430
The lack of the feeling of adventure.
The lazy poor design of the world, full of filler and dead air.
The pokemon designs will be looking even less like proper pokemon.
More stupid evolutions ruining the gen1 pokemon designs.
Powercreep.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 17:12:53 No.12225456 Report

Quoted By:

>>12225370
Magmar?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 17:15:49 No.12225472 Report

Quoted By: >>12225490 >>12225509

I don't really understand the argument here
>the 151 were da best
>the newer Pokemon da best
Once upon a time there was a franchise and then it grew and changed and fans took sides for no reason.
>but I liked this better
Good for you, go play your preferred game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 17:18:52 No.12225490 Report

Quoted By:

>>12225472
>Once upon a time there was a franchise and then it grew and changed and fans took sides for no reason.
This happens with almost all big franchises.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 17:20:33 No.12225509 Report

Quoted By: >>12225569

>>12225472
>the 151 were da best
>and fans

People who say that aren't fans; they haven't even played a Pokemon game past R/B/Y.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 17:24:28 No.12225532 Report

Quoted By:

>>12224602
stop playing fire emblem

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 17:27:18 No.12225556 Report

Quoted By: >>12225578

Back in Gen1 there was room for imagination. The games were just a base, the imagination is something that made them perfect.
With each new game the pokemon have gotten more and more overdesigned and graphics more detailed leaving less and less room for imagination. Instead of a perfect dream world like in Gen1 all you see is pixels in the new gens.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 17:29:37 No.12225569 Report

Quoted By: >>12225594 >>12225603

>>12225509
I've played all the gens

And gen 1 designs are still the best

suck it you elitist himpster fag

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 17:31:05 No.12225578 Report

Quoted By: >>12225602

>>12225556
>room for imagination

Clearly because a repetition of designs, bland characters, and a total lack of world building is creativity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 17:33:53 No.12225594 Report

Quoted By:

>>12225569
My nigga
Also, liking gen 1 designs doesnt make you a nostalgiafag. Refusing to acknowledge anything past Mew makes you a Nostalgiafag

For the record BW2 is my favorite gaem

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 17:34:59 No.12225602 Report

Quoted By: >>12225628

>>12225578
>bland characters
who cares about that?

>total lack of world building is creativity.
Introduced gym leaders, elite 4, pokemon, pokeballs etc

>repetition of designs
At least they're not forgettable shit like Poochynena

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 17:35:08 No.12225603 Report

Quoted By: >>12225947

>>12225569
>I'm cool because I like things other people don't
Shove off, mate

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 17:35:38 No.12225609 Report

Quoted By:

>>12225181
Liking the newer games doesn't mean you're a newfag, you retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 17:36:54 No.12225620 Report

Quoted By:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnnIETWX7k0
/thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 17:38:12 No.12225628 Report

Quoted By:

>>12225602
Yeah who cares about INTERESTING characters? Who cares about being engrossed in a game world?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 17:39:24 No.12225635 Report

Quoted By: >>12225680 >>12225952

>ITT kids fail to think about things objectively and just go for the gen that was their first.

Opinion wise there is no real answer. Objectively gen1 and 2 were the best. Everything afterwards has been downhill.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 17:44:51 No.12225680 Report

Quoted By: >>12225723

>>12225635
>accuses other people of not thinking objectively and just saying their first gen was the best
>says his first gen is objectively the best

Get a load of this faggot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 17:48:53 No.12225723 Report

Quoted By: >>12225755 >>12225762

>>12225680
My reasons for saying so are based on facts though, not opinion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 17:53:41 No.12225755 Report

Quoted By:

>>12225723
>facts

lel

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Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 17:54:29 No.12225762 Report

Quoted By:

>>12225723
>My reasons for saying so are based on facts though, not opinion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 18:25:59 No.12225947 Report

Quoted By: >>12225971

>>12225603
You're the hipster

Gen 3,4,5 lovers are in the minority

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 18:26:41 No.12225952 Report

Quoted By:

>>12225635
a-men brotha!

Testify!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 18:29:48 No.12225971 Report

Quoted By:

>>12225947
no u

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 18:31:59 No.12225983 Report

Quoted By:

>>12224855

All I see are balls and more balls.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 18:33:51 No.12225990 Report

Quoted By: >>12226138

>>12224855
pokemon designs used to have so much more character and personality back then...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 18:55:10 No.12226138 Report

Quoted By: >>12226189 >>12226595

>>12225990
Yeah, just compare Grwolithe/Arcanine to the Poochyena or Lillipup lines

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 19:02:30 No.12226181 Report

Quoted By: >>12232762

>>12225056
>inanimate object
>Snail
>frog

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 19:03:20 No.12226189 Report

Quoted By:

>>12226138
The downfall of the series is just saddening

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 19:48:24 No.12226595 Report

Quoted By:

>>12226138
I know, you go from a generic dog to a bigger generic dog, ir from a cute puppy to a badass 10/10 would train rapetrain.

Guess which one I prefer.

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Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 20:22:27 No.12226889 Report

Quoted By: >>12226902 >>12230851

>>12225097
mfw /vp/ are the only fags that still try to justify Gen5

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 20:24:24 No.12226902 Report

Quoted By:

>>12226889
>mfw you're incredibly fucking dumb, ignorant of the fact that most fans seem to have favorable opinions of Gen V

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Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 20:37:20 No.12226990 Report

Quoted By:

>>12225338

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 May 2013 20:38:44 No.12226997 Report

Quoted By:

>>12225372
>Thinking Candlemon is intimidating

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2013 05:21:34 No.12230844 Report

Quoted By:

>>12225090
...Are they really?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2013 05:22:19 No.12230851 Report

Quoted By:

>>12226889
>going to youtube

Ruby !!iPJbBu5S79g

Ruby !!iPJbBu5S79g Tue 07 May 2013 05:26:47 No.12230875 Report

Quoted By:

>>12224436

You mean like the pile of sludge, puff of smoke, magnet, pokeball, and pink blob of genetic goo?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2013 05:34:03 No.12230936 Report

Quoted By: >>12232833

>>12224436
Why isn't there coin-based metal type already?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2013 14:39:50 No.12232762 Report

Quoted By:

>>12226181
It's inanimate what it's dead.

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Anonymous Tue 07 May 2013 14:54:21 No.12232833 Report

Quoted By:

>>12230936
>Metal Type
Teehee.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2013 15:08:37 No.12232950 Report

Quoted By: >>12232968

>>12224876

imo, Pokemon are more "overdesigned" in gens after 2 because the gba/ds/3ds can/could handle more than the gameboy, making more complex mons possible.

aka, gen 1 and 2's pokemon would probably have been just as complex as gen 3 onward if they were on better hardware.

...I think

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2013 15:11:27 No.12232968 Report

Quoted By: >>12233015

>>12232950
Just another example of technology ruining imagination.

Limits force you to be creative and results in better products.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2013 15:18:55 No.12233015 Report

Quoted By: >>12233032

>>12232968

I honestly fail to see how more complex designs = less creativity

I get how limits force you and shit, but seriously?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2013 15:20:59 No.12233032 Report

Quoted By: >>12233050

>>12233015
More overdesigned and detailed the design the less room is there for the imagination of the player to take over.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2013 15:25:03 No.12233050 Report

Quoted By:

>>12233032

aight you got me there.
to each there own I guess...

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