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Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 00:39:33 No.12295557 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>12296904 >>12296962 >>12297042 >>12297167 >>12297305

ITT, we revamp abilities for gen VI in order to make them suck a little less (and if possible post at least one poke that would benefit from the change)

>Heavy Metal:
Doubles weight and increases attack by 50%, while reducing speed by 50%
>Light metal:
Analogue to the former

Pic: It can now rape things in trick room.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 02:41:34 No.12296904 Report

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>>12295557
Bump

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 02:44:07 No.12296929 Report

Quoted By: >>12296979 >>12297000

>Infiltrator
Ignores Protect, Substitute, and Detect

>Wonder Guard
Gains Magic Guard's effects so stuff like leech seed, spikes, toxic spikes, hail, and sandstorm don't count as damage

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 02:47:03 No.12296962 Report

Quoted By: >>12297210

>>12295557
>dat Gyro Ball
>dat Heavy Slam
>dat double STAB Rock Head

I can dig it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 02:48:50 No.12296979 Report

Quoted By: >>12297000 >>12297219

>>12296929
while I agree that shedinja needs to be buffed, there's a fine line between making him piss weak and way overpowered. If wonder guard worked against all passive damage and the ONLY way to harm it was with SE attacks, he'd probably become a broken wallbreaker. Automatically shutting down anything a wall tries to do and being immune to whatever token attack the wall might have.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 02:50:32 No.12296996 Report

Quoted By: >>12297025 >>12297081

Make Illuminate a copy of Compoundeyes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 02:50:47 No.12297000 Report

Quoted By: >>12297167 >>12297190

>>12296979
>>12296929
why not just give shedinja 5hp

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 02:53:27 No.12297025 Report

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>>12296996
Based Illuminate Starmie

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 02:54:40 No.12297037 Report

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Normalize: all moves are normal but get a 30% boosts and allows user to hit ghosts

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Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 02:55:16 No.12297042 Report

Quoted By: >>12297069 >>12297176

>>12295557
>Aggron with Heavy Metal would immediately go to Uber tier
>2013; not using Technician on Scizor
>Only Metagross would be relatively benefitted from Light Metal, and that would be taking away one of its best features.
3/10

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 02:55:54 No.12297050 Report

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Swift Swim also triggers when hit by water attacks, but does not negate the damage

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 02:58:01 No.12297069 Report

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>>12297042
I take the first point back: its Sp. Def is piss low.

6/10

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 02:58:51 No.12297081 Report

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>>12296996
Illuminate now lowers the opponent's accuracy upon switching in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 03:03:07 No.12297147 Report

Quoted By: >>12297163

Run Away: user cannot be trapped

Damp: opponent can't selfdestruct and also creates rain when hit

Traunt: gain 1/3 hp on the resting turn

Stench: 1/2 chance of poisoning the foe at the end of each turn

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 03:04:46 No.12297163 Report

Quoted By: >>12297197 >>12297324

>>12297147
>truant: gain 1/3 hp on the resting turn
perfectly balanced, now Slaking can finally crawl out of NU into a higher tier

kill yourself

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 03:04:57 No.12297167 Report

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>>12295557
You say this as if requiring Trick Room while not being able to set it up itself is a good thing.

It can join Rampardos and Marowak along with all the other 'good Trick Room' abusers.

>>12297000
No, anon. That would be balanced, and not be super OP like people want Shedinja to be.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 03:05:51 No.12297176 Report

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>>12297042
technician scizor

attacking a 180 base def pokemon with a neurtal coverage attack

good luck with that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 03:06:13 No.12297183 Report

Quoted By: >>12297217 >>12297421

Heavy Metal
Doubles Weight
+25% Attack
- 25% Speed

Light Metal
Halves Weight
-25% Attack
+25% Speed

Illuminate
Reduces opponent's acc by the same amount Compoundeyes boosts attack

Stench
Inflicts Poison on Switch in

Hail
Increases Def of Ice types by 50% in addition to its other effects.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 03:06:45 No.12297190 Report

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>>12297000
I was actually just about to say that. And I'd actually go with 16 hp just so it rounds evenly with sandstorm, hail, leftovers, entry hazards, etc.

Still low enough to make it completely trivial as far as surviving attacks, but at the same time preventing it from getting completely fucked over by sandstorms due to fucking rounding errors.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 03:07:36 No.12297197 Report

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>>12297163
It's still set-up bait though

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Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 03:09:42 No.12297210 Report

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>>12296962
>Aggron
>dig it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 03:10:19 No.12297217 Report

Quoted By: >>12297227 >>12297266

>>12297183
>illuminate lowering opponents accuracy

Smogon would ban it. Not sure why, because it's just as bad as compoundeyes

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 03:10:25 No.12297219 Report

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>>12296979
Thing is, his weaknesses are still common as fuck and he still has like 8 of them.
The way he is now, he's borderline useless.
With magic guard+wonder guard, he would still have terrible stats, but he would just die to 400 Pokemon instead of the 600 he does now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 03:11:43 No.12297227 Report

Quoted By: >>12297283

>>12297217
It would be absurd, since then Stone Edge is running around with 66% of it's already terrible accuracy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 03:12:10 No.12297229 Report

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Illusion allows for the copying of one of the Pokemon's moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 03:13:33 No.12297239 Report

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Hitting Wonder Guard with an uneffective move increases a random stat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 03:15:15 No.12297253 Report

Quoted By: >>12297293

>Air Lock and Cloud Nine REMOVE weather
>Forewarn prevents the forewarned move for the first turn the user is in
>Hyper Cutter also ignores defense boosts
>Magma Armor becomes flame body
>Shell Armor and Battle Armor give a 20% SpD def and 20% Def boost respectively
>Water Veil boosts evasion in rain

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 03:16:45 No.12297264 Report

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Not a revamp, but a new ability:
Courage: grants immunity to dragon attacks and boosts SpA when hit.

I want magic bounce to be on more pokemon. preferably ones that aren't frail psychic types.

cloud nine and airlock are given to a larger variety of pokemon (again, preferably bulkier ones). These abilities now eliminate weather effects and prevent any new weather effects from being used for 5 turns after the cloud nine/airlock user switches out. Because fuck weather teams.

oh, and I want an ability that acts like a weather ability but for gravity. Not for trick room though, because I can see that becoming broken as fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 03:17:24 No.12297266 Report

Quoted By: >>12297300

>>12297217
I highly doubt it would be banned. Accuracy lowering moves like Sand Attack, or Mud Slap aren't, because the stat drop can just be removed by switching out. It's only evasion boosting moves that are banned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 03:18:55 No.12297283 Report

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>>12297227
and how is that any different from running around with thunder at 100 accuracy?

SE would only be that low because it has shitty accuracy to begin with.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 03:19:57 No.12297293 Report

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>>12297253
I was playing NU against a sun team, and brought in my sub-CM Golduck against a Exeggutor, then switched out thinking that Cloud Nine removed the weather. I was pissed when my switch in got hit with a 1-turn Solar Beam.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 03:20:12 No.12297300 Report

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>>12297266
Oh, I was thinking of it working passively as long as the pokemon is out on the field, rather than working as an automatic stat lowering like with intimidate.

speaking of which, why isn't there a special intimidate yet?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 03:20:49 No.12297305 Report

Quoted By: >>12297315

>>12295557
These threads always fail because some anons for lolz use OP abilitys.
>Like Super Power Archeops

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Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 03:21:28 No.12297315 Report

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>>12297305
*huge
>FUUUUU

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Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 03:22:03 No.12297321 Report

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>Defeatist

Halves damage output, but gives +2 priority to all moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 03:22:10 No.12297324 Report

Quoted By: >>12297338 >>12297343

>>12297163
It is fucking balanced though, Slaking isn't bulky enough to benefit from that ability.
You just Swords Dance or whatever on him and OHKO him, that guy's ability substitute was perfectly balanced

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 03:24:04 No.12297338 Report

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>>12297324
>Slaking isn't bulky enough to benefit from that ability.
nigga, it has 150 hp, 100 def, and the only lacking is the SpDEF at 65.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 03:24:47 No.12297343 Report

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>>12297324
Slaking is pretty damn bulky, but his typing isn't going to grant him many resistances, and yeah he's still shut down by anything with substitute, or protect, and allows his opponent a free turn of set up after every attack.

He wouldn't be overpowered, but he wouldn't be in NU anymore either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 03:26:46 No.12297362 Report

Quoted By: >>12297371

Zen Mode: Changes the Pokémon's shape when HP is halved. Pokemon fully restores HP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 03:28:44 No.12297371 Report

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>>12297362
It would have to stay in Zen Mode even when you switch it out, but that would make it actually usable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 03:33:44 No.12297421 Report

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>>12297183
>Hail
>Increases Def of Ice types by 50% in addition to its other effects.

Not bad, but the def needs to drop if hail gets removed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 03:35:11 No.12297433 Report

Quoted By: >>12297475 >>12299275

>Slow start
still halves Attack and Speed, but Def. and Sp.D. are increased by 50%

does this make regigigas usable?

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Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 03:35:47 No.12297441 Report

Quoted By: >>12297469

>illuminate prevents damage from entry hazards
because your path was illuminated and you were able to tread carefully around the stealth rocks.

Moody now boosts/lowers things BESIDES accuracy/evasion, so it gets unbanned and I can finally use ridiculous bibarel sets

Normalize, rather than making all moves normal type per se, just makes it so that no weaknesses/resistances/immunities apply. So you could hit ghosts and steel types for neutral damage, for instance. The downside being that you also couldn't score any super effective hits either.

Pickup now works as an automatic thief (without damage, of course) if the user doesn't already have an item. It'd be put into effect at any point where the user doesn't have an item, rather than just when it gets sent out. So for instance, you could ChestoRest and then steal the other guy's item as soon as you wake up. Or as soon as somone used knock-off, you'd turn around and take their item.

Forecast now has a rock form as well and it'll cause castform to not only change typing but base stats as well. Tailor him in a way to make him the perfect killer of any of the weather inducers. He'd also be given a move that shuts down whatever weather condition is out and prevents new weather from being summoned for 5 turns.

the speed boost from unburden can now be baton passed

Unaware now works as an automatic haze, and the stat changes don't go back into effect once the unaware pokemon leaves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 03:37:57 No.12297469 Report

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>>12297441
I like your Normalize idea

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 03:38:31 No.12297475 Report

Quoted By: >>12297552

>>12297433
Slow Start: the counter DOES NOT RESET when you switch out. Getting rid of the ability also automatically gets rid of the penalties

I can see that they were trying to make sure it wasn't overpowered, but they went WAY too far. On top of all this, just fucking give gigas resttalk or recover or protect or SOMETHING.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 03:46:33 No.12297552 Report

Quoted By: >>12297608

>>12297475
Getting rid of the ability already gets rid of the penalties. The other idea is pretty cool, but I don't know of any other ability that effects the pokemon itself that keeps working after you switch it out.

Even something like Unburden you lose the speed boost by switching even though it's not a normal stat raise like agility.

It already gets Sleep Talk, but it's the only pokemon that learns from TMs, but can't learn Rest. Pretty stupid. I don't think it should learn protect though since that makes it just TOO easy to stall out the turns against anything that doesn't have set up moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 03:50:59 No.12297608 Report

Quoted By: >>12297658 >>12297687

>>12297552
Fair enough. It should either get moves like rest and protect that allow it to better stall out the 5 turns, OR the counter doesn't recent upon switching.

And I wasn't aware that getting rid of the ability got rid of the penalties. Was that changed since it first came out?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 03:55:21 No.12297658 Report

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>>12297608
Yep. It didn't work like that in 4th gen, but in 5th gen if you want to have your Whimsicott Worry Seed your Regigigas in a double battle, or use it alongside a Cofagrigus to replace Slow Start with Mummy you can do that.
Same with Truant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 03:58:42 No.12297687 Report

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>>12297608
or make it so that pokemon with slow start can't be phazed out

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 03:58:48 No.12297689 Report

Quoted By: >>12297709

>Run Away
User can't be trapped, so Mean Look, Shadow Tag and so on don't work against it.
As a bonus, make it so Teleport can be used during battle to switch out as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 04:02:05 No.12297709 Report

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>>12297689
>teleport forces both you AND your opponent to switch out
So what separates this from being a shittier version of roar? It wouldn't have negative priority. The tradeoff is that the user has to send out his pokemon first, allowing the opponent to choose what pokemon to send in as a counter (similar to how you can u-turn someone on a switch to send in exactly the right counter)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 04:03:49 No.12297718 Report

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>Unnerve
Prevents the usage of any item, not just berries.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 04:06:50 No.12297735 Report

Quoted By: >>12297937 >>12298334

What's a good idea that would make Stall beneficial?

Niggastream !TW3SDzEwkI

Niggastream !TW3SDzEwkI Mon 13 May 2013 04:29:53 No.12297937 Report

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>>12297735
>Stall boosts Def and SpDef by 25%

Maybe? Or

>Focus Punch charge comes AFTER the opponent attacks.
Delicious auto-Focus Punches

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 05:00:54 No.12298265 Report

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Battle Armor: Immune to Crits. Defense raised by 1 stage when using a damaging attack.

Shell Armor: Immune to Crits. Can only take one source of damage per turn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 05:08:09 No.12298334 Report

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>>12297735

Hold item that duplicates the effects of Prankster.

Sableye learns Assist.

DOUBLE SPOOKIE BOOGIE

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 May 2013 07:13:43 No.12299275 Report

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>>12297433
How about with Slow Start the Attack and Speed increase over time until they are where they should be?

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