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Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 19:48:02 No.12424470 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>12424552 >>12424968 >>12425319 >>12425326

I just... I don't understand why these are PKMN.
The first I can live with. The second, ok... I guess that behind gear looks alive. But the third?

Why?

(Note: I do love EVERY generation equally. I even like the garbage & ice cream family, but as a big Steel-type fan, I'm disappointed with the Gear-family.)

Can someone explain?

Also; ITT: We try to find a definition of the word "Pokémon".

What is a PKMN for you? What defines one?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 19:50:29 No.12424487 Report

Quoted By: >>12424497 >>12424499 >>12424508 >>12424554 >>12424556

How is he any different from the magnemite family?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 19:51:23 No.12424497 Report

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>>12424487
>he

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 19:51:28 No.12424499 Report

Quoted By: >>12424839

>>12424487
Magnemites look alive. These look like eternally grinding gears of nothingness.

They just don't look "alive" enough to be PKMN.

Alfhedil Elf-Hewer

Alfhedil Elf-Hewer Thu 23 May 2013 19:52:39 No.12424508 Report

Quoted By: >>12424548

>>12424487
Much, much less effort.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 19:54:10 No.12424523 Report

Quoted By: >>12424544 >>12424561 >>12424566 >>12424580 >>12425081

Pokemon are animals (bipedal, quadruped, insect, etc.) that have monster or magical features to them. The Eevee line, Typhlosion, etc. are examples of excellent Pokemon design.

Any Pokemon based off nonliving or artificial things are not really Pokemon, and proof of the waning creativity of the designers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 19:56:07 No.12424534 Report

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I don't know, as effortless as they are I like them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 19:56:42 No.12424544 Report

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>>12424523
2/10 apply yourself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 19:56:49 No.12424548 Report

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>>12424508
>Much, much less effort.
>magneton is literally 3 magnemite, no change at all
at least there are different gears of something, it isn't just another klink.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 19:57:00 No.12424552 Report

Quoted By: >>12424853

>>12424470
It's pocket monsters, not pocket animals.
Poke'mon are based off of shinto spirits, and the gears are gear spirits doing what gears do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 19:57:04 No.12424554 Report

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>>12424487
Less effort went into making the klink family.
It's just a cog with googly eyes.
Magnemite is a weird metal eyeball magnet. Kind of like an experiment gone wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 19:57:11 No.12424556 Report

Quoted By: >>12424832

>>12424487
Not OP, but I really dislike Klinklang. It's like if instead of trying to do something that looks even remotely different, they gave Magneton an evolution that was just Magneton with one more screw on it's body.
Seriously, what the fuck where they thinking?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 19:58:00 No.12424561 Report

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>>12424523

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 19:58:27 No.12424566 Report

Quoted By: >>12424574 >>12424594

>>12424523
As we all know, there were no pokemon at all in the original games that were based off inanimate objects.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 19:59:09 No.12424574 Report

Quoted By: >>12424606 >>12424647 >>12425647

>>12424566
There was a small handful.

The vast majority of new Pokemon are trash bags, ice cream, etc.

It's honestly just pathetic now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 19:59:46 No.12424580 Report

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>>12424523
this can easily be refuted by looking at the high number of "artificial" pokemon in gen 1. Etc; Voltorb, Grimer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:01:33 No.12424594 Report

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>>12424566
name one...
that's what i thought

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:03:25 No.12424606 Report

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>>12424574
>vast majority
>names 5
hoenn/10

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:07:27 No.12424635 Report

Quoted By: >>12424642

How to fix the Klink > Klang line.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:08:30 No.12424642 Report

Quoted By: >>12424807 >>12424832

>>12424635
Forgot the pic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:09:05 No.12424647 Report

Quoted By: >>12424709 >>12424714 >>12424722 >>12424864 >>12425061 >>12425211

>>12424574
GEN 1:
>Geodude (x3)
>Magnemite (x2)
>Grimer (x2)
>Onix (x1)
>Voltorb (x2)
>Koffing (x2)
>Porygon (x1)

13/150 (not counting later gen evolutions)

GEN V:
>Roggenrola (x3)
>Sigilyph (x1)
>Trubbish (x2)
>Vanillite (x3)
>Kling (x3)
>Litwick (x3)
>Cryogonal (x1)

16/155

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:14:54 No.12424709 Report

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>>12424647
>Sigilyph

no, nigger

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:15:18 No.12424714 Report

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>>12424647
>>12424647
EVERYONE READ THIS NOW SO WE CAN GET THE FUCK OVER THE GENWARS AND TO THE ACTUAL POINT.

I don't dislike Klinklang, it's a nice concept that could of been executed better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:16:02 No.12424722 Report

Quoted By: >>12424786 >>12424805

>>12424647
13/150>16/155
GEN 1 cunfurrmed for fakemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:16:49 No.12424731 Report

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>"GEARS ARE NOT POKEMON! OUT OF IDEAS LAZY OTHER BUZZWORDS!"
>"What about Magnemite?"
>"HE'S DIFFERENT HE'S GEN ONE THERE WAS CREATIVITY AND IMAGINATION BACK THEN!"

>"MAKING POKEMON FROM ANYTHING OTHER THAN ANIMALS AND PLANTS IS SO STUPID AND RETARDED!"
>"They're Pocket MONSTERS. Not Pocket Animals/Pocket Plants."
>"I DON'T CARE IT'S LAZY AND STUPID TO USE ANYTHING OTHER THAN LIVING THINGS AS POKEMON!"

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:21:37 No.12424780 Report

Quoted By: >>12424812 >>12424878

>retards who think that "wut about magnemite" is a defense for klinkklang being a stupid, boring, lazy, retarded piece of shit design.

I actually liked klink, I thought it was cute and kind of creative. But then they got fucking lazy as shit. Hell, at least magnemite only evolved into one lazy design, klinkklang family acted as filler for 3 pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:22:04 No.12424786 Report

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>>12424722
>13/150>16/155

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:23:32 No.12424805 Report

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>>12424722
gen v is higher by like, 1%

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:23:44 No.12424807 Report

Quoted By: >>12424934

>>12424642

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:24:01 No.12424812 Report

Quoted By: >>12424831

>>12424780
How is it lazy? What did YOU want it to evolve into?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:24:40 No.12424818 Report

Quoted By: >>12424862

A Pokemon is a monster that can be caught using a capsule device called a Pokeball.

Pokeballs shrink down so they can be put into your pocket.

People train and raise these monsters, making them more powerful than their wild brethren.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:25:51 No.12424831 Report

Quoted By: >>12424876

>>12424812

>being this willfully ignorant

It doesn't matter what I wanted it to evolve into, adding more gears, then adding MOAR gears is lazy shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:25:51 No.12424832 Report

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>>12424556
>>12424642
I rather like the initial train of thought behind the line. It's kinda silly.
>Alright, so first we'll have 2 gears that rely on each other to live.
>When it evolves, one of the gears gets bigger and uses the smaller one as a weapon. But it still needs it to live.
>That's kinda problematic for it, so how about we add in a third, non-living gear for the living gears to turn! It'll be like they've ironically come full circle or something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:26:38 No.12424839 Report

Quoted By: >>12424893

>>12424499
Magnemites don't look alive. They don't breath, they have no mouth, they have no ears, they have no flesh.

Magnemites are a magnetized mass of metal with an unblinking eye in the middle.

Motherfucking Metagross is more alive than them, since its entries mention it has brains and eats using its mouth (which you can see).

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:27:01 No.12424845 Report

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It's times like this where I'm glad none of you work for Gamefreak to restrict and project your ideas of "Pokemon" onto the series. I get a mild satisfaction knowing that you can't do anything to make any Pokemon you don't like or feel doesn't fit unofficial.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:27:35 No.12424853 Report

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>>12424552
IIRC, in Shinto everything in the universe has a spirit and is technically "alive".

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:28:44 No.12424862 Report

Quoted By:

>>12424818
This.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:28:49 No.12424864 Report

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>>12424647
Why did you put Sigilyph? It was made by humans like Golurk, and both are alive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:30:34 No.12424876 Report

Quoted By: >>12424937

>>12424831
How am I "willfilly ignorant"? You not liking something doesn't make it "lazy". It's a gear Pokemon that grows more gears as it evolves, just like Magnemite attracts two other Magnemites, Diglett gets a posse, Beldum sprouts more and more legs, and Starly gets a goofy hairdo.

I'm sorry that something simple makes you shit your pants in rage so badly, maybe you should play games that don't anger you so much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:30:38 No.12424878 Report

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>>12424780
>retards who think that "wut about magnemite" is a defense for klinkklang being a stupid, boring, lazy, retarded piece of shit design.

Except it's not usually a defense of those Pokémon specifically, but a defense against an entire generation being shit on for a couple of terrible Pokémon when there are equally terrible Pokémon in the generation that person praises. "Klinklang is fine because Magneton exists" is a indeed a stupid statement, but "you can't criticize gen V for Klinklang, Vanilluxe, and Garbodor without also criticizing gen I for Electrode, Muk, and Magneton" is a perfectly valid defense.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:32:02 No.12424887 Report

Quoted By: >>12424922 >>12424926 >>12424999

I figured that I will actually answer OP's question.

I think that Breloom is the ideal pokemon. It takes inspiration from two natural things (Mushroom and Kangaroo), it isn't just a bigger or angrier version of it's previous evolution (like half of gen 1), it's not a carbon copy of any other pokemon (unlike half of gen 5), it has stats that make it good but not overpowered (only its attack is very high), it's abilities and moveset work together well make it a huge threat. It also has a type combination that isn't overused.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:32:58 No.12424893 Report

Quoted By: >>12425065

>>12424839
I feel it's a result of a decline in imagination. A lot of people could imagine Magnemite doing things like shaking, and turning it's magnets, or blinking (which it doesn't actually do); but people can't imagine the Klink line spinning a certain way to express its emotions similarly. Or refuse to.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:36:08 No.12424922 Report

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>>12424887
Brellom for life

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:36:37 No.12424926 Report

Quoted By: >>12424993 >>12425020

>>12424887
>it's not a carbon copy of any other pokemon (unlike half of gen 5)

They may fill similar niches, but they're not carbon copies. Types and stats vary greatly. Basculin is Gen V's Magikarp, but he's FAR better.

There's also this little thing in real life called "convergent evolution". Two different animals in two different places can still evolve to do similar things and use similar ways to survive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:37:12 No.12424934 Report

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>>12424807
That works too.
At this point I wouldn't doubt a Dugtrio evolution that looks exactly like Dugtrio, but with a scarf around each head.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:37:26 No.12424937 Report

Quoted By: >>12425786

>>12424876

You're being willfully ignorant because when someone calls something that is clearly lazy, to be lazy, you go "HOW IS LAZY!?!?!" I don't give a fuck if you like it, that's irrelevant, they literally added one larger gear. It's fucking lazy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:37:34 No.12424941 Report

Quoted By: >>12425016 >>12425080

>Gen 2:
Unown (x1)
Wobuffet (x1)
Steelix (x1)
Porygon2 (x1)

4/100

>Gen III
Nosepass (x1)
Lunatone (x1)
Solrock (x1)
Baltoy (x2)
Castform (x1)
Chimecho (x1)
Wynaut (x1)
Bedlum (x3)

12/135 (plus a bunch of retarded bullshit that I couldn't figure out what it was based on)

>Gen IV:
Drifloon (x2)
Chingling (x1)
Bronzor (x2)
Magnezone (x1)
Porygon-Z (x1)
Probopass (x1)
Heatran (x1)
Cresselia (x1)
Darkrai (x1)

11/107

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:38:08 No.12424951 Report

Quoted By: >>12425033

A Pokémon is whatever GameFreak calls a Pokémon. If they put a literal dog in the game and call it a Pokémon, it would be a Pokémon.
GameFreak decides what a Pokémon is, not the Pokémon fans.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:39:37 No.12424968 Report

Quoted By: >>12425033

>>12424470
>ITT: We try to find a definition of the word "Pokémon"
Pocket Monsters. They are not PKMN. They are not Pocket Animals. They are Pocket Monsters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:41:16 No.12424988 Report

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A Pokemon is when Gamefreak creates a design, stats, and movesets, then inputs that into the Pokemon games.

Therefore, Flareon is not a Pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:41:49 No.12424993 Report

Quoted By: >>12425498

>>12424926
I'm not trying to say that gen 5 was shit. But it was obvious that many of their Pokemon were heavily based off of gen 1 Pokemon: Roggenrola and Geodude, Timburr and Machop, Tympole and Poliwag. I have no problem with Pokemon being based off of older ones, I'd just prefer it if we had more original Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:42:22 No.12424999 Report

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>>12424887
Seems more like a Wallaby to me...

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:43:13 No.12425008 Report

Quoted By: >>12425033

A pokemon is a pocket monster, aka monsters that can fit in a pocket. Joltik is the ideal pokemon.

But seriously, a Pokemon is a Pokemon is a Pokemon. You can hate one as much as you like, I don't care, but it's still a Pokemon if gamefreak has released it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:43:53 No.12425016 Report

Quoted By: >>12425044 >>12425060

>>12424941

one thing that bugs me about gen 3 are the pokemon pair rehashes. There are a lot of pokemon in pairs that are literally the same, with only some minor tweaking. Like maybe a couple of moves in their level up movepool is different, and maybe their attack/special attack is inversed, but otherwise they are the same. Volbeat/illumise, plusle/minun, gorebyss/huntail, solrock/lunatone, and hell with silcoon and cascoon, they are LITERALLY the same pokemon, stats/typing/moveset/design is exactly the same, but one is slightly more purple.

And don't give me some "BUT MUH VERSION EXCLUSIVE" bullshit. You can make version exclusive pairs without hitting ctrl + V

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:44:27 No.12425020 Report

Quoted By: >>12425166

>>12424926
>Real life
This isn't real life though is it, it's Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:46:11 No.12425033 Report

Quoted By:

>>12424951
>>12424968
>>12425008

The only acceptable answers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:47:24 No.12425044 Report

Quoted By:

>>12425016
My best guess is that they wanted to have those in for double battles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:48:58 No.12425060 Report

Quoted By: >>12425153 >>12425463

>>12425016
They've been doing that since gen 1:
>Magmar and Electabuzz
>Vulpix and Arcanine
>Spinarak and Ledyba

And if you're counting Silcoon and Cascoon, don't even get me started on every split-evo Pokemon ever. Although the only truly copypasta pokemon are Silcoon/Cascoon and the Kami Trio.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:49:11 No.12425061 Report

Quoted By: >>12425080 >>12425460

>>12424647
>Sigilyph
Dem colors.
>Cryogonal
A mean snowflake.
>Litwick
Confirmed for cute as shit.
>Trubbish
I like the idea of trash being a poke.
>Roggenrola
Confirmed for being cute and neat concept.

You're one of the lame people who think only animal/plant based pokemon are good.

Get out. Those are all good designs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:49:25 No.12425065 Report

Quoted By: >>12425099 >>12425208

>>12424893
There is no decline in imagination, that's entirely your perception.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:50:51 No.12425080 Report

Quoted By: >>12425136

>>12425061
I like all those Pokemon, all I did was count them.

>>12424941
How are the Wobuffets not alive?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:50:54 No.12425081 Report

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>>12424523
Furfag pls

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:51:53 No.12425099 Report

Quoted By: >>12425126

>>12425065
Not that guy, but all the Klink family can do is just spin around. Magnemite can actually move a lot more. Look at their animated sprites for clear evidence.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:54:50 No.12425126 Report

Quoted By: >>12425208 >>12425218

>>12425099
The only thing Magnemite can do is spin its magnets and float.

It's just as immobile and expressionless as Klink.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:55:27 No.12425136 Report

Quoted By:

>>12425080
Wobuffets are punching bags. They're an inanimate object.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:57:21 No.12425153 Report

Quoted By:

>>12425060

No, you clearly didn't read my post or missed my point.

Magmar and electabuzz have similar stats, but otherwise their level up movepools are completely different, and their types are different. Arcanaine and ninetails are completely different, other than they are both fire types. Ledian and ariados are completely different other than they share a bug type.

Like I said, there is a difference between version exclusvies and just fucking hitting ctrl + V

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 20:58:44 No.12425166 Report

Quoted By:

>>12425020
There's still the point where they try to make parallels though; since the very beginning with Mew as the "common ancestor."
Since they established the idea of a common ancestor in the first place, it makes sense that they would follow up with regional speciation in later games.

Whether having a 3-line Normal/Flying bird for every region is a good or bad thing is debatable, but it is clear that's the direction they wanted to go with their world-building.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 21:02:38 No.12425208 Report

Quoted By: >>12425282

>>12425065
I didn't mean on GF's behalf. I meant on the players'.
>>12425126 for example, limits the idea of what Klink is capable of to only what is shown. Back in the day, there were no animations of any sort, so you used your own imagination. Magnemite blinked it you thought it could blink; or shake, twirl, etc. But now because you see the animation limited for Klink to spinning, you believe that it can only spin. That's the decline I was talking about

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 21:03:25 No.12425211 Report

Quoted By:

>>12424647
I think the biggest problem with Gen 5 was that it was heavier in Humanoid-pokemon than the rest

>Gen 1
Machamp (x3)
Hitmons (x2)
Mr. Mime (x1)
Jynx (x1)

7/151

>Gen 5
Conkeldurr (x3)
Karatebros (x2)
Gothitelle (x3)
Bisharp (x2)
Kami Trio (x3)
Liligant (x1)

13/156

Almost double the amount of Gen 1.

That said Gen V still ranks #2 for me in terms of Pokémon design

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 21:03:56 No.12425215 Report

Quoted By: >>12425267

The Klink line was only created to make use of the animated sprites anyway. Gen V was the first generation in which a pokemon in perpetual movement like this one could be made, so they did.

I like Kling and Klang, but the third is a bit of a disappointment. I don't care much about all the "alive stuff" you guys are talking about, but at least when they gave magneton an evolution they made Magnezone look different, I'd have expected something along those lines here (at least the usual angry face they add to some evolutions).

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 21:04:04 No.12425218 Report

Quoted By: >>12425287 >>12425315

>>12425126
Magnemite has a lot more control over it's body, being able to extract and contract its screws and spin its magnets to produce electricity (like power stations do). Klink can only spin back and forth.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 21:09:07 No.12425267 Report

Quoted By: >>12425309

>>12425215
Haha, you wanted Klinklang to be hated even more than it already is?

Magnezone is one of the most shit on pokemon designs outside of Rhyperior.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 21:10:37 No.12425282 Report

Quoted By: >>12425296 >>12425308

>>12425208
There is no decline. Klink and Magnemite are the same thing, one simply has the benefit of being nestled in your childhood memories.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 21:11:02 No.12425287 Report

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>>12425218
That has to do more with the lore though. Klink is probably capable of more types of movement, but it primarily spins because that's its method of generating it's life energy, like Spoink's bouncing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 21:11:39 No.12425296 Report

Quoted By:

>>12425282
>this is actually what Unovabortions believe

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 21:12:48 No.12425308 Report

Quoted By:

>>12425282
>Klink and Magnemite are the same thing
That IS what I'm saying all this time. It's only a decline on the players' imaginations that make them think think that there's something different about the nature of the two in terms of "animation."

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 21:13:02 No.12425309 Report

Quoted By:

>>12425267
No anon you are the shit design

Magnezone is great

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 21:13:26 No.12425315 Report

Quoted By: >>12425388

>>12425218
Now you're just splitting hairs.

Neither magnemite nor klink blink.
Both are genderless inanimate objects.
Both spin to generate energy.

Why does this matter to you so much?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 21:13:40 No.12425319 Report

Quoted By:

>>12424470
I always expected Klink to be more similar to the Magnemite's line during the Gen 5 hype

first form and 2nd form should stay the same

but the final form does a Magnezone and becomes one huge gear with little gears spinning around it It also has an angry expression

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 21:14:51 No.12425326 Report

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>>12424470
a "pokemon" is something that the creators of the pokemon franchise/games say is a "pokemon"

end of discussion

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 21:21:50 No.12425388 Report

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>>12425315
Actually, according to the anime, Magnemites do have control over their eye. (sorry for the bad picture, but it backs up my point).

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 21:26:10 No.12425426 Report

Quoted By: >>12425478

I agree that Magnemite's line was done better. Especially with Magnezone. People say there are Pokemon that are based off of inanimate objects but Klinklang itself looks like an inanimate object.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 21:29:11 No.12425460 Report

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>>12425061
Pay attention to the conversation you numbnuts, he was defending those designs.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 21:29:19 No.12425463 Report

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>>12425060
In defence of Tornadus and Thundurus, they are actually based on Fujin and Raijin, two oni gods in Shinto who look look alot like each other. Now Landrus and the same fucking pose for all three I'll give you: That is just lazyness.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 21:30:36 No.12425478 Report

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>>12425426
Couldn't have put it better myself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 21:32:38 No.12425498 Report

Quoted By: >>12425567

>>12424993
How in the fuck is roggenrola a carbon copy of geodude, or conkeldurr a carbon copy of machamp.

There are parallels, sure, but it's fucking ridiculous to say they are "copies"

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 21:34:14 No.12425514 Report

Quoted By: >>12425755

>What is a PKMN for you? What defines one?

Is it in the pokedex?
If "Yes" it is a Pokemon

Is it introduced at anytime in the pokemon franchise as a Pokemon?
If "Yes" it is a Pokemon

I don't see what's so hard to get about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 21:37:44 No.12425567 Report

Quoted By: >>12425865

>>12425498
They both evolve once by level up and once by trading, not to mention that their movepools are very similar. Roggenrola and Geodude are both based on rocks, Timburr and Machop are both humanoid.

I'm not saying that they're bad because of it, I'm saying that you have to be blind to see the difference.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 21:46:03 No.12425647 Report

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>>12424574
god damnit just stop

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 21:58:06 No.12425755 Report

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>>12425514
This, is not like we can decide what's a fucking pokemon and what's not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 22:01:38 No.12425786 Report

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>>12424937
Whoopty-fucking-doo, they did with Klink what they've done with MANY other Pokemon. Not everything has to be super-amazing-complete different-SO MANY SPIKES AND COLORS AND LIMBS when they change.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2013 22:09:22 No.12425865 Report

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>>12425567
Roggenrola's line are based on geodes, hollow rocks with intricate crystal growths inside them. They're pure Rock-type.
Geodude's line are simple rocks with faces and arms. They're Rock/Ground-types.
They're designs are very different, their stats are different, and they have different options in their movepools.

Tinburr's line are based on circus strongmen/clowns and wield trees, iron girders, and concrete pillars as weapons.
Machop's line are bodybuilders and Goro.
Their designs are different, their stats are different, their Abilities are different, and they have different options in their movepools.

No one is saying they're not similar, but they're also not direct clones.

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