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Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 16:55:44 No.12475109 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>12475130 >>12475250 >>12475506

>there will never be a trainer more powerful than Red
dat feel when gen 1 wins again

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 16:57:55 No.12475117 Report

Quoted By: >>12475129 >>12475130 >>12475134 >>12476302

>Even though it's canon that Red was defeated by Gold, meaning Gold is the strongest trainer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 16:58:43 No.12475123 Report

Quoted By: >>12475134

Barry rapes Red any day.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 16:59:39 No.12475129 Report

Quoted By: >>12485180

>>12475117
The outcome of the battle is unknown.

It is know Ethan and red fought each other, but the winner nobody knows

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 16:59:51 No.12475130 Report

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>>12475109
>>12475117
Only strongest in their regions, genwunners.

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Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:00:26 No.12475131 Report

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>mfw as a kid having no idea of Red's inclusion in the game and just exploring Mt. Silver until I found him.

I shit my pants and then promptly lost because I had a shit team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:01:24 No.12475134 Report

Quoted By: >>12475148 >>12475157 >>12475160 >>12475257

>>12475117
Not canon.
>>12475123
Red's team is higher leveled.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:04:03 No.12475148 Report

Quoted By: >>12475156 >>12475164

>>12475134
Red's team is terrible.

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Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:05:00 No.12475156 Report

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>>12475148
>Blastoise
>Terrible

How about I fuck your shit up, faggot!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:05:07 No.12475157 Report

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>>12475134
>higher level therefore it's better
Top lel

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:06:08 No.12475160 Report

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>>12475134
>Higher leveled
Nevermind that his team is mostly trash share multiple weaknesses, and due to the location, Hail wears down everything but Lapras.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:06:18 No.12475161 Report

Quoted By: >>12475174 >>12476302

Gold beat Red at Mt. Silver.

Black beat Red at the Pokemon World Tournament.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:06:22 No.12475164 Report

Quoted By: >>12475169 >>12475186 >>12475266 >>12475332

>>12475148
He's got the most powerful Kanto pokemon. The only reason why he doesn't use Mewtwo against you is because he considers you too pathetic for that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:07:03 No.12475169 Report

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>>12475164
Red didn't catch Mewtwo.

He's still in Cerulean Cave.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:07:30 No.12475174 Report

Quoted By: >>12475186

>>12475161
Canonically, Red defeated Gold and he won every PWT

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:09:34 No.12475186 Report

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>>12475164
>most powerful Kanto pokémon
>fucking Charizard
>fucking pikachu
>blastoise
>>12475174
You really can't into canon anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:09:36 No.12475187 Report

Quoted By: >>12475484

>mfw new babbies to Pokemon don't realize Red is the most powerful protagonist in the game.

That denial.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:11:15 No.12475193 Report

Quoted By: >>12475201 >>12475236 >>12475255 >>12476036 >>12485149

Back then
>tall grass is full of dangerous pokemon
>it gave you an adventure feeling
>most kids were scared to leave a town because they knew they were going to die
>no matter how scary it was, they had to go and fight the wild pokemon because they had to train their pokemon somehow
That's how Red became the most powerful trainer of all time

Now:
>tall grass is full of friendly, cute pokemon
>le audino face xD so cute, not dangerous
>all non-evolved, low-leveled pokemon
>no sense of danger
>kids think it's just a game
that's why Hilbert is canonically the weakest trainer

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:12:07 No.12475201 Report

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>>12475193
>wild dragonites
>wild metagross
>weak pokemon

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Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:13:02 No.12475205 Report

Quoted By: >>12475270

>Genwunners screeching that Gold beating Red isn't canon
>WHEN HIM DOING SO TRIGGERS THE CREDITS

Also, in the beta dialogue for Hilbert's/Hilda's PWT appearance they are said to be the strongest trainer in the world.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:17:59 No.12475236 Report

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>>12475193
More like the kids back then were faggots
>before
>Pigeons and rats
>now
>Wild dogs, leopards, and crazed groundhogs

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:19:33 No.12475250 Report

Quoted By: >>12476302

>>12475109
Gold is canonically better than Red and it's very likely Nate/Rose are too. And I'm not a hipster at all, I'ma big fan of Red.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:20:07 No.12475255 Report

Quoted By: >>12475273

>>12475193
>yfw you realize Unova is the only region with Wild Metagross, Tyranitar and also has the Pokémon with the most absurdly high BSTs + scary shit like Cofagrigus

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:20:14 No.12475256 Report

Quoted By: >>12475271 >>12475281

where the fuck do you guys get all this canon stuff? how do you guys consider what is canon and not canon in the games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:20:14 No.12475257 Report

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>>12475134
His Pikachu is only 2 levels higher, so not his whole team. And as others have pointed out, higher =/= better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:21:37 No.12475266 Report

Quoted By: >>12475285 >>12475314

>>12475164
Red didn't catch Mewtwo, it's still on Cerulean Cave. The only one who could possibly have Mewtwo in the game-verse is Ethan or Lyra as far as we know now. Maybe X/Y brings us some backstory on Mewtwo, unless GF goes full idiotic mode and decides we had that in the anime.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:22:34 No.12475270 Report

Quoted By: >>12475535

>>12475205
Source of that beta dialog?

Also, that's beta, never officially released.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:22:42 No.12475271 Report

Quoted By: >>12475296 >>12475308

>>12475256
If something's consistent within another game, it's canon.
If something is contradicted, the contrary information is canon.

In Gen 1, catching Mewtwo was canon.
In Gen 2, Mewtwo still resided in the cave, and Red didn't have him, so Red not catching Mewtwo is now canon.
Now we wait until that canon is challenged, like Red caught Mewtwo then released it or something. But until that happens, Red not catching Mewtwo is canon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:22:58 No.12475273 Report

Quoted By: >>12475290 >>12475346

>>12475255
none of those come even close to being as strong as kanto pokemon though

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:23:25 No.12475281 Report

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>>12475256
What's stated on the games is canon(on teh game-verse of course).

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:23:41 No.12475285 Report

Quoted By: >>12475294 >>12475308 >>12475344

>>12475266
HG/SS aren't canon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:24:22 No.12475290 Report

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>>12475273
>dat denial

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:24:40 No.12475294 Report

Quoted By: >>12475318

>>12475285
HG/SS are just the remakes of G/S, which had that exact same story and is definitely canon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:25:01 No.12475296 Report

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>>12475271
What about remakes like HGSS and fire red/leafgreen?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:26:14 No.12475308 Report

Quoted By: >>12475320 >>12475322 >>12475364

>>12475285
Yes, they are.
>>12475271
Mewtwo is post-game for R/B/G/Y so it wasn't canon even in G1.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:26:42 No.12475313 Report

Quoted By: >>12475326 >>12475329 >>12475349 >>12475364

Pokémon Adventures is an official adaptation of the series, and it's considered canon.

Red is the strongest trainer, canon.
Mewtwo in the Cerulean Cave? Canon.

ZAPMOLCUNO? HOLY SHIT.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:26:46 No.12475314 Report

Quoted By: >>12475364

>>12475266
>The only one who could possibly have Mewtwo in the game-verse is Ethan or Lyra as far as we know now.

Considering Mewtwo pops up in X and Y with a new forme, I'd say it's safe to assume that no player has canonically caught it yet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:27:06 No.12475318 Report

Quoted By: >>12475327 >>12475340 >>12475342 >>12475364 >>12475385

>>12475294
HG/SS had different protagonists from G/S/C, so it is not a remake, it's a non-canon sequel

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:27:30 No.12475320 Report

Quoted By: >>12475338 >>12475364

>>12475308
Since when is simply being post-game not canon?

That would mean all of Kanto in Gen 2 is non canon as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:27:43 No.12475322 Report

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>>12475308
>Mewtwo is post-game for R/B/G/Y so it wasn't canon even in G1.

The post game is canon. But Red didn't catch Mewtwo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:28:07 No.12475326 Report

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>>12475313
>this is what specialfags actually believe

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:28:20 No.12475327 Report

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>>12475318
The only change is Lyra replacing Kris. It's still the same plot and story.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:28:29 No.12475329 Report

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>>12475313
>Pokémon Adventures is an official adaptation of the series, and it's considered canon.

No. You fucking manga fags are atrocious.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:28:53 No.12475332 Report

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>>12475164
>Red
>Catching Mewtwo

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:29:23 No.12475338 Report

Quoted By: >>12475355

>>12475320
Post-game is after the credits, but in G2 you get them again after Kanto + beating Red, which is why that is canon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:29:32 No.12475340 Report

Quoted By: >>12475361

>>12475318
>HG/SS had different protagonists from G/S/C

It's the same protags (Gold, Silver and Crystal) with different designs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:29:44 No.12475342 Report

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>>12475318
Ethan is just Gold with a different official name, that's not an entirely different character, that's just retconning his name.
His outfit, hair, his storyline, basically all of that is still the same as it was in Gen 2, except now it's a bit prettier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:30:12 No.12475344 Report

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>>12475285
They are, they retconned GSC and the PWT and other cameos shows characters from those gens in Gen 5.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:30:19 No.12475346 Report

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>>12475273
>The only region to have fully evolved pseudo legendaries in the wild

>Not as strong as Kanto's pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:30:37 No.12475349 Report

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>>12475313
Adventures isn't canon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:31:20 No.12475355 Report

Quoted By: >>12475362 >>12475389

>>12475338
You can get the credits again on the second E4 fight with the higher levels in every game from Gen 3 up. And those are basically the only games with a post-game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:32:23 No.12475361 Report

Quoted By: >>12475367

>>12475340
It's Ethan, not Gold
different protagonists

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:32:27 No.12475362 Report

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>>12475355
Kanto in Gen II is the only one where you can actually get more badges after the E4.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:32:43 No.12475363 Report

Quoted By: >>12475383 >>12475384

I suppose this is now a canon thread?

Good, thereby I get to prove that Brendan/May, even if not the strongest trainer in terms of levels, is definitely the smartest trainer.

>Battle Frontiers are canonically the toughest challenge for battling prowess
>Appear in only Emerald, Platinum, and HG/SS
>Since the Gen IV incarnation is simultaneously in two regions and can be challenged by two trainers, it's probably not canon that either successfully did it
>Brendan/May was the ONLY person who could challenge Gen III battle frontier, and the BF was one of Emerald's signature attributes
>implying it isn't canon Brendan/May finished the battle frontier
>implying it isn't canon Brendan/May is the best battler

he also probably came into contact with Wes or Micheal at some point, both of which are smart cookies

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:32:43 No.12475364 Report

Quoted By: >>12475373 >>12475381

>>12475308
Post-game quests are canon.

>>12475313
It isnt, it's its own canon. I says this as a big fan of pokespe.

>>12475314
Yeah, that's why I said that we possibly may get more of that in XY.

>>12475318
its a retcon, not a sequel. The PWT uses those designs, so those are canon.

>>12475320
Kanto is not post-game in Gen 2/4.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:33:09 No.12475367 Report

Quoted By: >>12475381

>>12475361
>Ethan and Gold are different people

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:34:09 No.12475373 Report

Quoted By: >>12475398

>>12475364
>Kanto is not post-game in Gen 2/4.
You can only explore Kanto after you beat the Elite 4, after which the credits immediately roll.

That's like the exact definition of post-game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:34:52 No.12475381 Report

Quoted By: >>12475402 >>12475410

>>12475364
Maybe B2/W2 aren't canon
>>12475367
they are

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:34:58 No.12475383 Report

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>>12475363
> it's probably not canon that either successfully did it
you can't assume that. For that matters, its canon. We had worse messes anyways.

So that argument also goes for Lucas/Dawn/Ethan/Lyra.

Also, if BF is canon, the PWT should be too (despite Giovanni I guess), so by that logic, Nate and Rosa are as good as those others.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:35:02 No.12475384 Report

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>>12475363
>came into contact with Wes or Micheal at some point, both of which are smart cookies

Not by GF therefore not canon

Kenly !IWWqFC.oLY

Kenly !IWWqFC.oLY Tue 28 May 2013 17:35:09 No.12475385 Report

Quoted By: >>12475432

>>12475318
>same dialogue
>same characters, names, and trainer placement
>same gym leaders/elite 4
>HG/SS isn't canon even though it's a main series game just like G/S/C
>all of this denial
He's a shit trainer anyways. Just because he has and uses all of the starters doesn't mean he's the best, or anywhere near it. Hell, he chose Pikachu over Jolteon. That just shows he's shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:35:31 No.12475389 Report

Quoted By: >>12475406

>>12475355
Yes, and you'll get the credits the 3rd, 4th, 100th, 1,000,000th time too. That doesn't mean the protag canonically beat the E4 that many times. As far as the story goes, it ends after the first except in G2 because of empty Kanto.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:37:05 No.12475398 Report

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>>12475373
Credits roll after that, just like in second elite battles on other gens. In BW, the player beats Alder after seeing the credits roll, that's not post-game.
And if we consider the first league in Gen 2 to be the "game" Gen 2 is automatically shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:37:10 No.12475399 Report

Quoted By: >>12475415

/lucas/dawn or hilbert/hilda are strongest protags. this is just fact.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:37:23 No.12475402 Report

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>>12475381
>B2/W2 aren't canon
>Gold and Ethan are different people because you don't want to accept that Red lost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:37:46 No.12475406 Report

Quoted By: >>12475436

>>12475389
Except for how the levels changing on the E4 members for the second fight clearly shows that there is some progress to be made, therefore the game has not ended, and beating them a second time rolls the credits, however, beating them that second time doesn't progress anything else in the game, making that the absolute/actual end of the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:37:53 No.12475410 Report

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>>12475381
>Maybe B2/W2 aren't canon
It's a main game that hasnt been remade. Either of those two has definitely to be canon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:38:01 No.12475413 Report

Quoted By: >>12475429

All these arguments remind me of /co/.

>Hurr batman is teh best
>no, Superman is durr

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:38:11 No.12475415 Report

Quoted By: >>12475448

>>12475399
I'd say that Gen 5's protags are the strongest, as they're the only ones who have canonically captured a legendary pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:39:39 No.12475429 Report

Quoted By: >>12475451

>>12475413
/co/ has turned into shit, but they still can have some good discussions.

Also, /co/ hates capes, unless they're on TV or movies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:40:02 No.12475432 Report

Quoted By: >>12475446 >>12475471

>>12475385
Ethan was soulless. At least Gold had a great motivation and personality

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:40:24 No.12475436 Report

Quoted By: >>12475452

>>12475406
Level changing means shit. Just like how your Pokemon levels don't matter if you beat the E4 at level 50 or level 100, so long as you become the champion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:40:29 No.12475438 Report

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LETS EMAIL NINTENDO AND ASK THEM

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:41:39 No.12475446 Report

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>>12475432
>Gold has motivation and personality when he's a blank slate like all of the other protags

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:42:00 No.12475448 Report

Quoted By: >>12475457 >>12475469

>>12475415
This.
Most games retcon the legendaries to never have been caught.
But in Black & White, capturing the version's mascot is essential to finish the game.

>yfw in Gen VI, Hilbert and Hilda appear and challenge you with Reshiram or Zekrom.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:42:45 No.12475451 Report

Quoted By: >>12475460

>>12475429
>/co/ hates capes
You've never been to /co/ have you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:42:50 No.12475452 Report

Quoted By: >>12475482

>>12475436
>Level changing means shit.
It definitely means that something is changing and that there is more game to be played if you are at a point where things are changing and you can do something different to get a credit roll (beat the stronger E4, beating Kanto's gyms and E4), then that's just saying that beating Alder in Gen 5 is as canon as beating Red in Gen 2, and that would mean everything inbetween beating N and beating Alder, which is literally all of the postgame stuff.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:43:15 No.12475457 Report

Quoted By: >>12475473 >>12475488 >>12475771

>>12475448
Isn't catching Palkia/Dialga required to progress, too?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:43:45 No.12475460 Report

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>>12475451
casuals count as haters

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Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:44:04 No.12475468 Report

Quoted By: >>12475483 >>12475495 >>12475513

While I think this is probably the most retarded thing to argue about, you guys that are arguing that things in HG/SS retcon stuff like Red catching Mewtwo are also forgetting a major detail. You can also get Groudon/Kyogre/Rayquaza in HG/SS. Does this mean that R/S/E is completely retconned? Considering that those pokemon are absolutely integral to the storyline and not some post-game uber catch, I'm going to have to say no. The reason Mewtwo and a bunch of those legendaies were added to the post-game was so you could catch them if you hadn't gotten the gen 3 games or remakes. They weren't there as some sort of "hurrdurr red/brendan nevar caught deez" statement.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:44:14 No.12475469 Report

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>>12475448
They'll probably make some postgame sidequest where you'll get to summon Reshiram/Zekrom yourself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:44:16 No.12475471 Report

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>>12475432
Oh my god, will you get rid of your inner child already?
All the protags in Pokémon were a blank state since Gen I.
You're such in denial it hurts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:44:21 No.12475473 Report

Quoted By: >>12475518

>>12475457
They have a catch rate of 3 and they simply die if you deplete their health.

Cynthia even makes a point to say that the Gen 4 protag "defeated" Giratina, while N points out that Hilda/Hilbert actually Caught Reshiram/Zekrom.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:45:35 No.12475482 Report

Quoted By: >>12475515

>>12475452
No, else the game doesn't end until every Pokemon of yours reaches level 100 because they can 'progress'.
Once the credits are done with, so is the story.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:45:35 No.12475483 Report

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>>12475468
>You can also get Groudon/Kyogre/Rayquaza in HG/SS. Does this mean that R/S/E is completely retconned? Considering that those pokemon are absolutely integral to the storyline and not some post-game uber catch, I'm going to have to say no.
If Lucas had to defeat rather than catch Giratina, then why can't Brendan and May have defeated rather than caught Groudon and Kyogre?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:45:37 No.12475484 Report

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>>12475187

The protags from DPP stop the gods themselves from tearing reality apart, visited Pokehell, and fought the one tru God of all pokemon. Red stop some thugs. Yeah ok. he wins. totally.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:45:41 No.12475488 Report

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>>12475457
You can defeat every plot legendary being Reshiram/Zekrom. You have to literally make it impossible to have anymore pokemon to not catch them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:47:06 No.12475495 Report

Quoted By: >>12475510

>>12475468
But in R/S/E you could just fight them and make 'em faint and the storyline would be ok.

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Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:47:48 No.12475503 Report

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I defeated red with a lvl 100 Mewtwo, therefore I caught mewtwo and am the strongest trainer, check my canon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:48:30 No.12475506 Report

Quoted By: >>12476302

>>12475109
>Red
>Only protag with a canon loss
>Confirmed for weakest protag
top lel

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:48:50 No.12475510 Report

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>>12475495
And in Emerald all you have to do is talk to Rayquaza and it moves away to stop them for you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:48:56 No.12475513 Report

Quoted By:

>>12475468
It's not canon Groudon, Kyogre and Rayquaza were caught, defeating them is also a possible scenario in Gen 3.

And we know they werent in Jhoto to state anything, GF doesnt care at all about canonicity, but what's in the game is what's in the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:49:04 No.12475515 Report

Quoted By: >>12475529

>>12475482
Except I'm talking about NPC levels, battles, and cities not your own self-imposed progress.

If you have the no-EXP pirate patch in B/W, you're still progressing even though your Pokemon aren't because there are still trainers to battle through and nothing's repeating.

Beating the E4 once doesn't repeat, so you have made some progress. Beating them twice is when they start repeating, so everything you get access to after your second E4 defeat (which is absolutely nothing), can be counted as non-canon (essentially beating the Elite 4 more than twice)
While everything inbetween beating them once and beating them twice (half of Unova, fighting Alder, etc) is canon and not-postgame.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:49:32 No.12475518 Report

Quoted By: >>12475522

>>12475473
Ah okay. I read somewhere the capture was necessary to progress but I always make the habit of catching the cover legendary so I wouldn't know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:50:45 No.12475522 Report

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>>12475518
Capture is only necessary to progress in B/W, every other game you can defeat them and you'll never see them again, and that'll just be fine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:51:22 No.12475529 Report

Quoted By: >>12475538

>>12475515
You act like their progress is relevant when it is only the protag's progress that actually matters. We're playing as them. Post credits is post game and not canon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:52:48 No.12475535 Report

Quoted By: >>12475554 >>12475559 >>12475571

>>12475270
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Black_2_and_White_2_beta#Pok.C3.A9mon_World_Tournament

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:53:17 No.12475538 Report

Quoted By: >>12475560

>>12475529
The protagonist progresses from the Elite 4 to the Elite 4+ though.
That's both NPC and player character progress, until the third match, where they're all the same, which is where progress stops, which is where the game ends, meaning you are in post-game. Which is where non-canon things like the Battle Tower, completing the Pokedex, etc begin.

Post credits being non-canon would mean Ethan never goes to Kanto.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:56:31 No.12475554 Report

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>>12475535

whoa, I'm surprised.

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Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:57:28 No.12475559 Report

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>>12475535
>talking protagonist

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:57:45 No.12475560 Report

Quoted By: >>12475563

>>12475538
As I've already stated multiple times, no. The E4 could regress and it wouldn't make any difference to the STORY. Levels do not affect the story.

G2 is currently the only exception to the rule. The credits roll for the last time after you beat Red (after Johto & Kanto) which makes all events before that canon. If there were no credits, then sure.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 17:59:33 No.12475563 Report

Quoted By: >>12475573 >>12475598

>>12475560
The credits roll again in Gen 2 if you beat the Elite 4 one more time after beating Red.
And beating Alder isn't something you do the first time in B/W, the credits roll the first time once you beat Ghetsis.
The credits roll a second time when you beat Alder.

That's literally the exact same situation that you seem to be denying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 18:01:06 No.12475571 Report

Quoted By:

>>12475535
>If the player is defeated
>"I just lucked into winning... Isn't that how it felt?"
Hilda/Hilbert confirmed for knowing a trainer's truest pain.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 18:01:24 No.12475573 Report

Quoted By: >>12475584

>>12475563
He's trying to say, that since Gen II and Gen V are the only ones with actual postgame quests, their postgames should be canon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 18:02:29 No.12475584 Report

Quoted By: >>12475630

>>12475573
I've been specifically using the example of Gen 5 and he's been saying that's non-canon though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 18:04:17 No.12475598 Report

Quoted By: >>12475621

>>12475563
I think you need 16 badges and 2 league wins prior to being allowed to face Red, I can't remember.

Either way, you can't seem to understand that the story finishes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 18:08:11 No.12475621 Report

Quoted By: >>12475673

>>12475598
And there's absolutely no story advancing, despite all of that advancing that I keep mentioning, in any other game except in Gen 2. Meeting Cynthia, fighting Alder, finding the sages with looker, none of that stuff counts as story advancement for some arbitrary reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 18:08:58 No.12475630 Report

Quoted By: >>12475673

>>12475584
No, if anything, beating Alder offers the 'true' credits, similar to how beating Red gives G2s 'true' credits.

All you keep saying is how level progress means the game (story) hasn't finished. What a load of shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 18:09:54 No.12475639 Report

Quoted By: >>12475673

Didnt steven have a lvl 75+ team post emerald E4?

Steven confirmed for stronkest

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 18:11:53 No.12475651 Report

Quoted By: >>12475671

Canon doesn't seem like a word any more.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 18:15:23 No.12475670 Report

Quoted By:

>benga
>level 80 Lati@s
>level 80 Dragonite/Garchomp
>level 80 Volcarona

>N
>four different weather teams

Step the fuck up, other trainers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 18:15:46 No.12475671 Report

Quoted By:

>>12475651
It's just that the pokemon fanbase can0't handle it properly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 18:15:56 No.12475673 Report

Quoted By:

>>12475621
Refer to my post here:
>>12475630

And Google the meaning of the words 'the end'. Once you've completed all the story advancement possible and achieved the final credits for that, that's it.

>>12475639
Red has a level 88 Pikachu, Barry has an 86 something (starter I assume).

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 18:17:19 No.12475682 Report

Quoted By:

Strongest trainer is Alder's son. All of Red's Pokemon aside from snorlax were pathetically weak.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 18:17:44 No.12475688 Report

Quoted By:

Anything after the first credit roll is not canon to the story

Battle frontier
Post E4 battles
PWT (especially this)

None of it is canon, not even Red vs Ethan is canon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 18:25:19 No.12475728 Report

Quoted By: >>12475758 >>12475794 >>12475809 >>12475825

Jesus fuck, you guys

- No legendary being caught is canon, EXCEPT for Reshiram and Zekrom from N and Hilbert/Hilda
- The timeline is FRLG (retconned RBY) + Emerald (retconned R/S) -> HGSS (retconned GSC) three years later -> Platinum (retconned D/P) a couple week/months after HGSS begins -> BW a couple years later -> BW2 two years later
- Giovanni is a top-class criminal but his appearance in the PWT is canon; it's the people of Kanto and Johto who are after him, if Unova (or maybe Driftveil being a special zone like Hong Kong or whatever) has no extradition treaty with Kanto/Johto, Giovanni's a free man. lrn2UN
- Ethan/Lyra beating Red is not canon, the whole fucking point is that YOU CAN'T KNOW because no game ever acknowledges this outside of you, the main player, doing it. It's like catching a legendary, if any other game doesn't mention it or it's not related to the plot, then fuck you it's not canon

Sometimes your autism baffles me

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 18:28:26 No.12475750 Report

Quoted By:

So the true question is which is worst - genwunners or specialfags

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 18:29:49 No.12475758 Report

Quoted By:

>>12475728
I dunno, I always consider having an appearance in PWT implies he has an official loss. Notice how all the champions there have been beaten?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 18:31:41 No.12475771 Report

Quoted By:

>>12475457
Nope.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 18:35:24 No.12475794 Report

Quoted By: >>12475838 >>12475852 >>12476302

>>12475728
>- Ethan/Lyra beating Red is not canon

The credits play after you beat him automatically making it canon.

Feel free to argue, but there's solid evidence right there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 18:37:29 No.12475809 Report

Quoted By: >>12475838 >>12475852

>>12475728
>gompiling a list
>getting this worked up about a game
>angry at other people's "autism"
>my little anon can't be this autist

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 18:40:05 No.12475825 Report

Quoted By:

>>12475728
Not over a game, but over other people's idiocy

but touché

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 18:42:27 No.12475838 Report

Quoted By:

>>12475794
The credits play after you defeat Ghetsis in BW1, and yet you can battle N without catching Resh/Zek. Even then, it's considered canon that you caught it.

>>12475809
Not over a game, but over other people's idiocy

but touché[//spoiler]

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 18:44:31 No.12475852 Report

Quoted By: >>12476597

>>12475794
The credits play after you defeat Ghetsis in BW1, and yet you can battle N without catching Resh/Zek. Even then, it's considered canon that you caught it. It's just like in Fallout, where it's cannon that the Vault Dweller saved the Followers of the Apocalypse, even though the ending that allowed that was bugged and couldn't be done.

>>12475809
Not over a game, but over other people's idiocy

but touché

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 18:53:52 No.12475909 Report

Quoted By:

All of this arguing has given me an idea, more or less.

You guys know how Nintendo released an official timeline for the Zelda series, solidifying all of the different arguments for canon in the franchise? Seems to me that that worked pretty well.

Game Freak should release a "Pokemon Book of Canon" or a "Book of Pokemon Lore." Even if they only make a few hundred or thousand copies. They would go through each game (and their subsequent remakes) and show what was canonized at the release of each game, what was retconned in that game, and what, in that generation, retconns what happened in previous generations.

I would honestly like to know whether Red caught Mewtwo, boxed him, and there was A DIFFERENT Mewtwo waiting for Ethan/Lyra/Gold/Kris or not. Or perhaps whether they consider the PWT to be canon or not. I also want to know which trainer they consider canon for each generation. It is pretty much proven that Red trumps Leaf (since she doesn't appear in the PWT while Red, having his FRLG design, does), but what about the other protags? Is May the "canon" protag of RSE? And did she catch any legendaries? Can we assume that if legendaries are available in other games, the protags of the games where they debuted DIDN'T catch them? It was made canon in BW that each game is a sort of self-contained universe, in a sense; will they expand on that and argue that there are multiples of the same legendary in each of the different universes, thus allowing multiple trainers to have the same legendary (like that one NPC that has a Latias, despite you legitimately being able to canonically have one as well)

TL;DR: Game Freak needs to make an official "Lore Book" to clear all this shit up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 19:09:55 No.12476005 Report

Quoted By:

Anime isn't canon.
a-am i doing this right guys?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 19:13:02 No.12476026 Report

Quoted By: >>12476359 >>12479604

>Red
>only MC with a canon loss
>strongest

Actual strongest trainer reporting in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 19:14:25 No.12476036 Report

Quoted By:

>>12475193
How in hell would you feel in danger with pokebros on your side? I carry around a bunch of magical creatures that can shoot lasers, I think I'm gonna be fine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 19:41:17 No.12476302 Report

Quoted By: >>12476484 >>12479472

>>12475117
>>12475161
>>12475250
>>12475506
>>12475794
>Gold defeats Red at Mt. Silver.
>not YOU defeat Red at Mt. Silver.
Since there are no dialogues about the outcome of that battle we can't consider it canon. And believe it or not, there are several people who lost to Red in their first match. Is that canon for you?
Also, Ethan/Lyra as NPCs are just Prof. Elm's assistants, not champion material.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 19:47:41 No.12476359 Report

Quoted By: >>12479472

>>12476026
no that logic doesnt work

you can continuously lose to Red while playing as Gold, so it's a possibility you always canonly lose to Red.

A canon loss would be Giovanni and Blue. Their losses in Red/Blue are reflected in Gold/Silver.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 20:03:50 No.12476484 Report

Quoted By:

>>12476302
>we can't consider the games canon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 May 2013 20:15:09 No.12476597 Report

Quoted By:

>>12475852
In order to not be able to caught Reshiram/Zekrom you have to go out of your way to make that happen. Otherwise it just revives constantly until when you catch it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 May 2013 01:08:42 No.12479472 Report

Quoted By: >>12485111

>>12476302
>>12476359
As long as you lose you can keep trying, but once you defeat him it's over he vanishes, it's clearly intended to the player that Gold defeated Red

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 May 2013 01:21:17 No.12479604 Report

Quoted By:

>>12476026
Cynthia is technically canon the strongest Champion, or at least the most consistent

Unova has had N, Alder and Iris as champions
Hoenn had Steven and Wallace
If you go with the Indigo League, you had Blue and Lance as champions
If you separate Kanto and Johto, we can assume Blue wasn't always the champion or the first one, so whoever he defeated (Lance?) used to be.
Johto is trickier, but given its relation to Kanto it's obvious Lance wasn't always champion

Sinnoh? Cynthia rules with an iron fist. Until you come along charged with your protagonist powers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 May 2013 18:02:23 No.12485111 Report

Quoted By:

>>12479472
But then he comes back, and events you can do multiple times aren't considered canon (Gym leaders/E4 rematches, Red).

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 May 2013 18:06:47 No.12485149 Report

Quoted By:

>>12475193
>Beats toughest E4
>Only trainer who has to canonically capture a legendary
>Region has absurdly high level pokemon and many with better movesets/ability combinations in the wild

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 May 2013 18:10:14 No.12485180 Report

Quoted By:

>>12475129
why

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 May 2013 20:44:03 No.12486863 Report

Quoted By:

Well, if by powerful you go only by levels, then yes, he is the strongest. No NPC has higher levels than him.

Is Ethan/Lyra beating him canon? Yes. Why? Forget about the titles - his losing TRIGGERS EVENTS. You can't access the Hoenn trio and the extra gift starters if you don't beat him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 May 2013 20:54:14 No.12486985 Report

Quoted By: >>12487046

>strongest trainer
>not Nate

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 May 2013 20:58:09 No.12487046 Report

Quoted By: >>12487169

>>12486985
We don't know what's the canon result of the PWT.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 May 2013 21:08:18 No.12487169 Report

Quoted By:

>>12487046
Perhaps but whereas Hilda/Hilbert HAD to catch the legendary dragon to defeat N's dragon as it was to stronk, Nate/Rosa managed to defeat the legendary dragon FUSED with another without their own super god dragon thing

So yeah

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