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Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:04:51 No.12545590 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>12545939 >>12546575

Assuming Fairy no es fake, what do you think of the new damage chart?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:06:19 No.12545595 Report

Quoted By: >>12545623

For one, it looks a bit odd that Steel doesn't resist Fairy. Potentially an oversight on the part of the leaker, but it might indicate that fairy, or at least WPM's source is fake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:07:06 No.12545602 Report

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Needs to resist both dragon and fighting.

Basically resist dragon, no overlapping weaknesses with steel

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:08:22 No.12545613 Report

Quoted By: >>12545622

balancing dragons and making poison and steel useful attacking types

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:09:24 No.12545619 Report

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Still pretty bad.

Another reason to use Poison Attacks is cool, but it's complete bullshit that Ice still doesn't resist anything but itself. One or more types could do with losing a Grass resistance too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:09:47 No.12545622 Report

Quoted By: >>12545641 >>12545660 >>12545669

>>12545613
It doesn't balance dragons because you can still spam fighting to remove dragons' counters. You need a second Dragon resist that cannot be dealt with the same way steel can.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:10:11 No.12545623 Report

Quoted By: >>12545632

>>12545595
steel already resists 11 types

ELEVEN

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:10:10 No.12545624 Report

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Make it immune to everything except Dragon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:12:05 No.12545632 Report

Quoted By: >>12545640 >>12545648

>>12545623
I can count. It just seems odd that it doesn't also resist one of the types it actually does super effective against. But I suppose that's enough of an advantage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:13:19 No.12545640 Report

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>>12545632
Its not the first time its happened though. Still I see what you mean.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:13:18 No.12545641 Report

Quoted By: >>12545657

>>12545622
fighting types have nothing to do with the fact that STAB dragon moves are way too hard to switch into consistently. 1 resist is not enough

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:14:30 No.12545648 Report

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>>12545632
electric doesn't resist water, ghost doesn't resist psychic, etc

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:15:37 No.12545657 Report

Quoted By: >>12545694

>>12545641
I mean dragons often have coverage that can deal with steel. Fairy needs to resist dragon, and those coverage moves as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:15:49 No.12545660 Report

Quoted By: >>12545675

>>12545622

What if you use a Fairy/Flying type like Togekiss?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:15:53 No.12545661 Report

Quoted By: >>12545665

>Fairy/Steel

Soon it will be your time to shine, Mawile.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:16:20 No.12545665 Report

Quoted By: >>12545677

>>12545661
You mean mawile evo

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:16:55 No.12545669 Report

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>>12545622
But Fairy fucks up Fighting AND Dragon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:17:20 No.12545675 Report

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>>12545660
Fair enough. Plenty of sub types could help fairy types and provide more synergy with steel

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:17:40 No.12545677 Report

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>>12545665
Maybe that too, but Mawile is rumored to be re-typed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:18:09 No.12545680 Report

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>>12545669
It needs to resist fighting as well.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:18:46 No.12545685 Report

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>>12545669
thats the idea

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:19:41 No.12545694 Report

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>>12545657
un-STABd moves against fairy types aren't going to do shit though. all of the types that dragons use to hit steels (fire/ground/fighting) are neutral vs. fairy

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:21:31 No.12545722 Report

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>>12545694
Neutral moves can still be threatening, and it means they have no defensive synergy with steel type, meaning they have mostly shared counter

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:21:49 No.12545730 Report

Quoted By: >>12545748 >>12545753

>>12545669
lel
MUH GARCHOMP
MUH SALAMANCE
KILLED BY A CUTE LITTLE SYLVEON

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:22:26 No.12545736 Report

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>>12545685
...I know. Look at my post in context to who I was replying to.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:23:31 No.12545748 Report

Quoted By: >>12545761 >>12545891

>>12545730
retarded pls do you even read

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:24:04 No.12545753 Report

Quoted By: >>12545887

>>12545730
FUCK YEAH! PREPARE TO GET WRECKED BY FAG TYPE, HYDREIGON! HAHAHA!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:24:51 No.12545761 Report

Quoted By: >>12545858

>>12545748
How is his post retarded?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:26:01 No.12545770 Report

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Fairy confirmed for best type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:26:54 No.12545780 Report

Quoted By: >>12546232

Toxic Spikes become the new Stealth Rock. Fairy gets trashed by Venoshock.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:27:04 No.12545784 Report

Quoted By: >>12545810

>>12545722
neutral moves are not threatening at all to bulky pokemon, do you even play the game dude? imagine a pokemon like suicune that's immune to dragon moves, it would reliably stop any dragon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:29:50 No.12545804 Report

Quoted By: >>12545828 >>12545873

>>12545680

If Fairy needs to resist Fighting so Dragons can't use Fighting moves to break through both Steel and Fairy types, then what about using Ground or Fire attacks? Or even Water/Electric/Fairy attacks?

>+2 Garchomp's Fairy Fang is a 97% chance to 2HKO physically defensive Sylveon with Stealth Rock

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:30:26 No.12545810 Report

Quoted By: >>12545883

>>12545784
Well neutral coverage moves. In OU being neutral to fighting is being weak to fighting.

Dragons may not be beating fairies (or steels, they could feasibly aim for one or another) but steel and fairy could be defeated mostly by the same things. So openings holes for dragons remain wasy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:32:08 No.12545828 Report

Quoted By: >>12545868

>>12545804
That would be a best case scenario. But fighting outclasses ground and fire so its probably the best we'll get while remaining realistic

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:33:33 No.12545844 Report

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Fairies are still weak to Steel so we'll see even more Steel types out to murder them and Ice is still shit defensively.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:35:54 No.12545858 Report

Quoted By: >>12545877 >>12545898

>>12545761
dragonfag PLZ go

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:37:03 No.12545868 Report

Quoted By: >>12545873 >>12545874 >>12545897 >>12545898

>>12545828
>implying sylveon's best stat wil be defense

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:37:46 No.12545873 Report

Quoted By: >>12545898

>>12545868
sorry i meant >>12545804

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:38:01 No.12545874 Report

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>>12545868
Reply to the wrong person?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:38:11 No.12545877 Report

Quoted By: >>12545891

>>12545858
1. I'm not the "dragonfag."
2. I'm not sure what you're taking issue with.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:38:44 No.12545883 Report

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>>12545810
neutral fighting is only good if it's STABed. so unless a dragon/fighting comes along with close combat or some shit, it should be fine

it doesn't really matter if steels and fairies are beaten by the same things... you just switch out. the fact that they can 100% switch into dragons safely is huge

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:39:03 No.12545887 Report

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>>12545753
>mfw hydreigon will be 4 times weak to this shit

Mean Mr. Milkman

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Mean Mr. Milkman Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:39:36 No.12545889 Report

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>Ice STILL not SE against Bug

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:40:01 No.12545891 Report

Quoted By: >>12545898

>>12545877
sorry buddy i mean >>12545748

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:41:13 No.12545897 Report

Quoted By: >>12545914

>>12545868

110/65/130/65/95/60

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Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:41:14 No.12545898 Report

Quoted By: >>12546139

>>12545868
>>12545873
>>12545891
>>12545858
samefag fucking confirmed

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:43:24 No.12545908 Report

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Ice is still shit defensively, and Poison's new SE is also weak to Steel, so Poison is still outclassed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:44:14 No.12545914 Report

Quoted By: >>12545928

>>12545897
pleb pls sylveon is not another umbreon
it clearly is 65/60/65/95/110/130

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:44:50 No.12545918 Report

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>Ground/Fairy

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:46:52 No.12545928 Report

Quoted By: >>12545959

>>12545914
I don't think it will be quite as fast as Jolteon.
130/60/65/95/65/110 IMO.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:47:23 No.12545933 Report

Quoted By: >>12545950 >>12546013

Fairy's type matchups so far show no real promise outside immunity from Dragons.
Honestly, it's begging for a Rotom-W/Scizor/sweeper dragon core again. Weakness to Steel isn't good when steel types are viable offensively through Gyro Ball, Bullet Punch, and Iron Head. Taking neutral damage from Fighting types doesn't help it either.
Personally, I think Parting Shot will have a bigger effect than a new type addition.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:48:40 No.12545939 Report

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>>12545590
Muh dragon-type!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:50:00 No.12545950 Report

Quoted By: >>12545967 >>12545968 >>12545987

>>12545933
They have yet to "leak" what Fairy resists, we got what it's weak to, what it's strong against & what it's not very effective against but no leak has talked about what Fairy resists. I'm think the nature-y types like Water, Grass, maybe Ground, Ice and/or Bug too.

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Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:51:28 No.12545959 Report

Quoted By: >>12545969

>>12545928
thats better
anyways i think sylveon will be pretty fast, since always we see it its running in the fields so happy..

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Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:53:01 No.12545967 Report

Quoted By: >>12546867

>>12545950
it resists nothng, its just inmune to dragon, believe in my words dear anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:53:17 No.12545968 Report

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>>12545950
it might not have any resists at all, like normal type. it's odd that the leaker would know everything except for resists

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:53:19 No.12545969 Report

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>>12545959

If you could determine base speed from how they're animated we'd only see Flareon, Vaporeon, Umbreon and Glaceon crawling along like molasses.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:55:17 No.12545987 Report

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>>12545950
Oh. My bad. Resistance to VolTurn and Mamoswine would be very nice though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 18:58:56 No.12546007 Report

Quoted By: >>12546027 >>12546031 >>12546033 >>12546098 >>12546112

It messes with Dark/Ghost types having no weakness, so I don't like it.

Ghost should resist it.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 19:00:16 No.12546013 Report

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>>12545933
>Personally, I think Parting Shot will have a bigger effect than a new type addition
you haven't experienced a generation transition before, have you? hint: almost everything you know about the current metagame will be irrelevant

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 19:01:30 No.12546027 Report

Quoted By: >>12546066

>>12546007
Muh Wondereye and Wondertomb

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 19:02:23 No.12546031 Report

Quoted By: >>12546038

>>12546007
there's still eelektross

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 19:02:39 No.12546033 Report

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>>12546007
Dragon isn't the only thing that would be getting nerfed by Fairy type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 19:03:49 No.12546038 Report

Quoted By: >>12546058 >>12546061

>>12546031
There are a lot of ways to get rid of Eelektross' immunity to Ground.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 19:06:18 No.12546058 Report

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>>12546038
there's also ways to get rid of sableye & spritomb's immunity to fighting and normal

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 19:06:24 No.12546061 Report

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>>12546038

>a lot of ways

How many of those other than Mold Breaker are actually viable?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 19:07:28 No.12546066 Report

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>>12546027
OH YES PLEASE, NO MORE OF THIS SHIT AND DRAGONS GET NERFED TOO, I JUST LOVE THAT NEW TYPE

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 19:11:09 No.12546098 Report

Quoted By: >>12546112

>>12546007
I agree with this guy. Dark/Ghost is unique and neither Pokemon in the type is overpowered; it should keep its niche.

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Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 19:12:54 No.12546112 Report

Quoted By: >>12546137 >>12546172 >>12546200

>>12546098
>>12546007
thats why sableye is getting an evo

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 19:18:11 No.12546137 Report

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>>12546112
>Sableyevo with Imp Shield, rendering Fairy attacks ineffective like Levitate

RadioactiveCreeper

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RadioactiveCreeper Tue 04 Jun 2013 19:18:27 No.12546139 Report

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>>12545898
the reason than poliweed is not fighting

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 19:21:37 No.12546172 Report

Quoted By: >>12546190 >>12546205

>>12546112
80/105/105/95/95/80
YES PLEASE

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 19:24:26 No.12546190 Report

Quoted By: >>12546216 >>12546229

>>12546172
im really hoping for this to be real, not the design, but these damn stats

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 19:25:25 No.12546200 Report

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>>12546112
>tfw it isn't

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 19:25:53 No.12546205 Report

Quoted By: >>12546224 >>12546229 >>12546234 >>12546251

>>12546172

>Higher BST than Arcanine

So, his ability's Slow Start or something?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 19:27:32 No.12546212 Report

Quoted By: >>12546221

Still waiting for my 50% boost to Special Attack and Special Defence for Ice types in Hail Gamefreak

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 19:28:03 No.12546216 Report

Quoted By: >>12546221 >>12546224

>>12546190
yeah, i think gamefreak will do this, since i just added 30 to each of sableye's stats, and they always make this. (see wigglytuff)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 19:28:39 No.12546221 Report

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>>12546212
see >>12546216

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 19:29:30 No.12546224 Report

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>>12546205
see >>12546216

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 19:30:04 No.12546229 Report

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>>12546190
>>12546205
>implying this sack of shit will even compare when Sableye can start running Eviolite

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 19:30:19 No.12546232 Report

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>>12545780
fairy/lying

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 19:30:32 No.12546234 Report

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>>12546205
no, they will make it weak to fairy

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 19:31:51 No.12546251 Report

Quoted By: >>12546271

>>12546205

Ability: Gemsmith
Cannot use attacks capable of consuming Gems unless it has a Gem to consume.

When hit by an attack, replaces its current held item with a Gem of that attack type.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 19:34:19 No.12546271 Report

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>>12546251
emmm no, with taht shitty speed better go with prankster, i mean, he's as fast as a magikarp

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 20:10:27 No.12546575 Report

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>>12545590
It's pretty good. If Ice resisted Fairy, it would be perfect, but this is absolutely welcome.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 20:48:05 No.12546867 Report

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>>12545967
o-ok

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 23:21:06 No.12548196 Report

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Bumping.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2013 02:44:21 No.12550169 Report

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Final bump for west coast working crowd.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2013 02:52:04 No.12550232 Report

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>1/2 damage to psychic
>finally taking the needed piss on dragons
>helping poison

I like it actually.

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