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Pokemon that should swap Att & SpA

Anonymous Sat 08 Jun 2013 16:02:10 No.12590808 View View Reply Original Report

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Hey everyione on /vp/ if you think that flareon has no moves then look at this dumb fucker. Alltho it has a respectable attack stat of 105 all of its moves are special based.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jun 2013 16:03:10 No.12590819 Report

Quoted By: >>12590874

Unfezant's stats are so low it wouldn't matter

besides
>sky attack

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jun 2013 16:04:14 No.12590826 Report

Quoted By: >>12590890

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Seed Flare Sat 08 Jun 2013 16:06:33 No.12590843 Report

Quoted By: >>12590852 >>12590855 >>12590858 >>12590869

>110 SpA
>NO MOVES

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 08 Jun 2013 16:07:43 No.12590851 Report

Quoted By: >>12590902

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Anonymous Sat 08 Jun 2013 16:08:14 No.12590852 Report

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>>12590843
>Has Quiver Dance and Sleep Powder
>Own Tempo
>Giga Drain and Petal Dance
It has everything you need.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jun 2013 16:08:21 No.12590855 Report

Quoted By: >>12590859 >>12590904

>>12590843
Liligant has quiver&peataldance + own tempo.
Don't throw it in with this lot. It's to cute.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jun 2013 16:08:56 No.12590858 Report

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>>12590843
>Physical Lilligant
>Seed Bomb, Return
brilliant

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jun 2013 16:09:19 No.12590859 Report

Quoted By: >>12590873 >>12590904

>>12590855
>Liligant has quiver&peataldance + own tempo
>implying that's any good
OHGEEWOW GRASS ATTACKS THAT'LL HELP ONLY WALLED BY 7 TYPES!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jun 2013 16:10:05 No.12590869 Report

Quoted By: >>12590873 >>12590904

>>12590843
>Own Tempo
>Quiver Dance
>Petal Dance

That's all it needs. Just add Sleep Powder and Hidden Powe for coverage and you're good to go.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jun 2013 16:10:38 No.12590873 Report

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>>12590859
>>12590869
heh

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jun 2013 16:11:12 No.12590874 Report

Quoted By: >>12590879 >>12591012

>>12590819
Nope base 93 speed, base 80 defense and Hp. That's not low. It's above avearage. Sky attack is a two turn move that leaves it vournable. It needs U-turn and brave bird to become usefull. It can't even learn aerial ace.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jun 2013 16:11:49 No.12590879 Report

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>>12590874
It's weak and it's slow

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jun 2013 16:13:22 No.12590890 Report

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>>12590826
coil+drain punch, yo. wild charge does suck though. Absolutely no reason for it to have recoil damage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jun 2013 16:13:35 No.12590895 Report

Quoted By: >>12590914

You do realise that switching Unfezants Attack and Special Attack pretty much makes it a shit version of Staraptor, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jun 2013 16:14:17 No.12590902 Report

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>>12590851
Best example. They should have swaped the stats when they made gen 4. Its best move now is fucking giga drain. It can't use its own signature move (leaf blade) without at least one swords dance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jun 2013 16:14:28 No.12590904 Report

Quoted By: >>12590923

>>12590869
>>12590859
>>12590855

oh boy fucking grass type moves

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jun 2013 16:15:38 No.12590914 Report

Quoted By: >>12590924

>>12590895
So. Who said that it should compare to staraptor? It would at least make it usable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jun 2013 16:16:15 No.12590923 Report

Quoted By: >>12590934 >>12590939

>>12590904
Well what the fuck do you want from a grass type?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jun 2013 16:16:27 No.12590924 Report

Quoted By: >>12590940 >>12591038

>>12590914
no one would use it because its ugly and worse than staraptor then

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jun 2013 16:17:58 No.12590934 Report

Quoted By: >>12591008

>>12590923
thats like asking why i shouldn't teach my charizard fire blast, flamethrower, fire spin, and fire fang.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jun 2013 16:18:25 No.12590939 Report

Quoted By: >>12590958 >>12591008

>>12590923
Grass types are always fucking crippled when it comes to movepools
>grass moves, an attacking type almost as bad as steel
>normal move
>hidden power if it's a special attacker
>sludge bomb if it's part poison
I mean come on, at least give them earth power or something

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jun 2013 16:18:29 No.12590940 Report

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>>12590924
Your personal opinnion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jun 2013 16:20:55 No.12590958 Report

Quoted By: >>12590971

>>12590939
there was a discussion about serperior how it would probably enter ubers if it had draco meteor and the DW abillity released.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jun 2013 16:21:56 No.12590971 Report

Quoted By: >>12591020

>>12590958
>non dragon getting draco meteor
>unstab dragon moves

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jun 2013 16:24:32 No.12591008 Report

Quoted By: >>12591023 >>12591034

>>12590934
>>12590939
But Lilligant has Quiver Dance and Sleep powder so after one quiver dance it can still put quite a dent in things that resist it and after about two it could 1HKO most things that resist it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jun 2013 16:24:53 No.12591012 Report

Quoted By: >>12591049

>>12590874
>Can't learn Aerial Ace
>TM 40

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jun 2013 16:25:21 No.12591020 Report

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>>12590971
Draco meteor that boosts SpA.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jun 2013 16:25:31 No.12591023 Report

Quoted By: >>12591053

>>12591008
Good luck landing that Sleep Powder

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jun 2013 16:26:46 No.12591034 Report

Quoted By: >>12591052 >>12591053

>>12591008
>But Lilligant has Quiver Dance and Sleep powder so after one quiver dance it can still put quite a dent in things that resist it and after about two it could 1HKO most things that resist it.

252SpAtk Life Orb +2 Lilligant (Neutral) Petal Dance vs 252HP/168SpDef Leftovers Ferrothorn (+SpDef): 22% - 26% (78 - 92 HP). Guaranteed 5HKO.

Yeah, no

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jun 2013 16:27:10 No.12591038 Report

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>>12590924
Male Unfezant looks way better than Staraptor

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jun 2013 16:28:26 No.12591049 Report

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>>12591012
Shit, just checked. Still, it has only BP60 moves and Sky attack wich leaves it open to damage. with SpA and Att swapped it could at least use its existing movepool efficiently.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jun 2013 16:28:41 No.12591052 Report

Quoted By: >>12591136

>>12591034
252SpAtk Life Orb +2 Lilligant (Neutral) Petal Dance vs 4HP/0SpDef Leftovers Dragonite (Neutral): 34% - 41% (112 - 133 HP). Guaranteed 3HKO.

and that's without multiscale

Lilgant is weak as shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jun 2013 16:28:45 No.12591053 Report

Quoted By: >>12591069

>>12591023
If you're weary of that then you could just switch into a bulky special attacker.
>>12591034
>Using Petal Dance in OU
You have Giga Drain and Hidden Power Fire, that's how you hit Ferrothorn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jun 2013 16:30:44 No.12591069 Report

Quoted By: >>12591136

>>12591053
so you're still walled by dragons and fire types

Liligant has sever coverage problems

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jun 2013 16:37:22 No.12591136 Report

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>>12591069
>>12591052
Well honestly it depends what you use it for, you could always give it Hidden Power Ice and hit Ferrothorn out early in the game which isn't at all hard to do.
Honestly I'd rather use a Lilligant with a few coverage issues than a Volcarona that is taken out before it can even set up.

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Anonymous Sat 08 Jun 2013 19:29:11 No.12592663 Report

Quoted By: >>12592832

Not Atk and Sp. Atk, but Sp. Atk and Speed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jun 2013 19:41:34 No.12592832 Report

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>>12592663
Switch Flareon's Atk with its Speed

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jun 2013 21:16:41 No.12593743 Report

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Lilligant has a very niche role. It is best used as a support lead with Leaf Storm, Sleep Powder, Stun Spore and Healing Wish. With the correct EV investment Leaf Storm can OHKO Politoed and Tyranitar. With Chlorophyll it can outspeed Ninetails and either dent it or sleep/paralyze it. Healing Wish helps put your sweeper back in prime condition.

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