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Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 15:45:56 No.12642848 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>12642987 >>12643014 >>12643145 >>12643433 >>12645298

With Helioptile being Electric/Normal and that new Fire/Normal type lion, it got me wondering /vp/, what exactly is it that gives a pokemon the 'Normal' typing?

What makes Helioptile any different from Pikachu and the Fire/Normal lion any different from Growlithe?

Am I missing something here, or?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 15:47:39 No.12642873 Report

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They probably just want to get the type combinations out of the way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 15:48:35 No.12642886 Report

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Pikachu is gay, Helioptile is not. That's the only difference

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 15:48:46 No.12642889 Report

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I've been stumped on this too. I never understood the ---/normal typing, excluding Girafirag.

Maybe the pokemon are slowly losing their natural abilities and are 'evolving' into a normal animal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 15:49:08 No.12642896 Report

Quoted By: >>12642929 >>12643119

I bet that fire cub thing evolves into fire/electric

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 15:49:49 No.12642905 Report

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Fighting types needed a reason to be more useful
LOL

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 15:50:52 No.12642921 Report

Quoted By: >>12642990 >>12643097

I never got with a lot of birds are flying/normal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 15:51:18 No.12642928 Report

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ghost types were considered overpowered and needed some much needed nerfing

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 15:51:24 No.12642929 Report

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>>12642896
I'm picking it either way but damn, that would be the icing on the cake

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 15:54:30 No.12642968 Report

Quoted By: >>12642988 >>12643000 >>12643097

There's probably some explanation for Helioptile, but the Lion I could sort of justify like Bidoof wherein it seems less fireproof in a way, while just being a mammal.

The other fire types are usually orange or something in a way that denotes they're usually fire retardant or something. The lion just sort of doesn't give off that vibe, and if you lit it on fire, it would be more susceptible to it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 15:55:57 No.12642987 Report

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>>12642848

With the new Pokémon Amie everything gets full happiness really fast and so everything so also get STAB on Return.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 15:55:59 No.12642988 Report

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>>12642968
Helioptile geometric face reminds me of porygon, maybe that's why he's normal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 15:56:09 No.12642990 Report

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>>12642921
For that specifically, I like the explaination that unless they're a cloud or a balloon or something, they're going to have to rest eventually. And at that point, it's not showing off any flying type characteristics. So part normal to compensate. While Thundurus is pure flying because it sort of has no legs and can't do anything but fly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 15:56:42 No.12643000 Report

Quoted By: >>12643097 >>12643173

>>12642968
So like a Wizard (Learning Ability) vs Sorcerer (Innate Talent)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 15:57:12 No.12643007 Report

Quoted By: >>12643027 >>12643034 >>12643050 >>12643082 >>12643097 >>12643142

well with cases like bibarel, girafarig, and sawsbuck, i kinda always internalized the normal typing to be more animalistic in nature.
like they were a normal type animal whatsit that kinda picked up the elemental type later.

bibarel was a beaver first who just happened to pick up some water or something.

I guess what im trying to say is that, dual normal types are just not as whimsical and super as pure ones are, they are kinda like normal animals that learned how to manipulate some other type as an adaptation.

Pikachu thrives in electricity, it is electrical in everything it does. It is synonymous with electricity.

Like helioptile is for all intents and purposes a normal lizard, but his survival mechanism to generate electricity gave it at least a rudimentary electrical trait.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 15:57:20 No.12643009 Report

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It sort of makes sense in a way I can't explain.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 15:57:33 No.12643014 Report

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>>12642848
Monitor Lizards > Mouse
Lion > Dog

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 15:58:24 No.12643023 Report

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>>12642990
It's just an after explanation for something they never really thought.

A bit like every rock pokemon also being ground, bothered me a lot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 15:58:31 No.12643027 Report

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>>12643007
Like an Electric eel or Fire ant.

sage

sage Wed 12 Jun 2013 15:58:44 No.12643034 Report

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>>12643007

This

Quirk

Quirk Wed 12 Jun 2013 15:59:19 No.12643040 Report

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>>12642990
headcannon adopted

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 16:00:16 No.12643050 Report

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>>12643007
I like this explanation

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 16:01:04 No.12643063 Report

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>>12642990
What about Talonflame? It's bird that should probably have to rest.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 16:01:08 No.12643065 Report

Quoted By: >>12643076

everyone bringing up bibarel girafarig and birds, you're missing the point. Those kinda made sense since they were only secondary elemental...but secondary Normal? Whats up with this?

Dolomite

Dolomite Wed 12 Jun 2013 16:01:56 No.12643071 Report

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They aint sacred of no ghosts!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 16:02:13 No.12643074 Report

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Calling it right now, these two will be a version exclusive pair.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 16:02:17 No.12643076 Report

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>>12643065
I guess they will lose the normal when they evolve.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 16:02:37 No.12643082 Report

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>>12643007

What I wanted to say. You put it very well! A+

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 16:03:44 No.12643097 Report

Quoted By: >>12643115

>>12642921
I always took it as flying was a characteristic with wind based attacks, rather than an actual form. So, bird pokemon are normal types with ability to fly.

>>12642968
I'd accept the 'mammal' reasoning, but Growlithe easily fits into the category of mammal, that's where I don't get it. I understand where you're coming from the colouring for typing, but then you have Luxray and Zebstrika who could be mistaken for dark types because of their colour scheme.

>>12643000
That's an interesting way to look at it that I actually get. Kind of like this anon's explanation? >>12643007

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 16:04:58 No.12643112 Report

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theyre trying to redefine normal because of fairy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 16:05:14 No.12643115 Report

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>>12643097
>wizards and pokemon

Yeah pretty much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 16:05:35 No.12643119 Report

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>>12642896
Looks like a stinger on it's tail, possibly becoming a Manticore.

Fire/Poison? Would be sweet as fuck (but suffer way too many weaknesses to be usable)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 16:07:38 No.12643142 Report

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>>12643115
Meant the simile of how this anon >>12643007 described how some pokemon picked up abilities later (wizards having to learn) while others were already pure forms of it (sorcerers having innate talent)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 16:07:54 No.12643145 Report

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>>12642848

I want a bubonic plague common rodent that is Normal/Poison type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 16:09:01 No.12643157 Report

Quoted By: >>12643193

>>12643145
A raticate evolution?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 16:09:26 No.12643161 Report

Quoted By: >>12643258

>>12643063
And while it's resting it's still exhibiting fire attributes. While Zapdos is resting and not flying, it's still discharging electricity. While Salamence is resting, it's still being a dragon.

While Pidgey is resting, it's not a flying type, but it's not really exhibiting the features of anything else, since Bird type was removed. So it's just normal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 16:10:25 No.12643173 Report

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>>12643000
Huh. I guess so.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 16:11:01 No.12643178 Report

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It's because many of the old "Pure" Normal types are becoming Fairy fodder.

They want to soften the blow to Fighting Types losing a lot of their old punching bags by giving them NEW ones

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 16:11:46 No.12643186 Report

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My theory on it is that there's another interesting feature to the pokemon so it's classified as also being normal. Usually something to do with weather. For example Sawsbuck's season changing thing relied on weather. Helioptile has some sort of solar panel ability which relies on the sun which is also kinda weather-y. Girafig is half normal type because if you look at it's body half of it is normal looking and the other half is weird and psychic. and thenwith normal/flying, I have always thought flying was sort of always a secondary type in which there's nothing interesting to them except for the fact that they can fly and since flying is almost always a secondary type then normal has to be their primary type

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 16:12:39 No.12643190 Report

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>>12643178
This

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 16:12:48 No.12643193 Report

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>>12643157

They'll never evolve Raticate, so perhaps just a new rat pokemon.

Though, I'm still holding out on my marmot pokemon theory for the common rodent.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 16:14:14 No.12643201 Report

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>>12643193
>They'll never evolve Raticate
What even slightly gives you this idea after Gen 4 happened

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 16:17:17 No.12643232 Report

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>>12643186
Huh. I've never thought of it that way, and I like that theory.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 16:18:06 No.12643250 Report

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Honestly, I think the reason they're getting normal typing is to make it easier for kids.
Only first form pokemon have this normal typing added to them and it's honestly probably to make their early game better.
Getting a STAB tackle or scratch can help a lot in the beginning.

I'm more than positive it's just a crutch and once the pokemon evolves, it will get it's true dual type.

Lizerd

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Lizerd Wed 12 Jun 2013 16:18:11 No.12643251 Report

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At least they get 2 stabs, and maybe you get them early in the game, and Normal type moves are common among young Pokemon.
They're also unaffected by ghost moves, so that's a bonus, but their normal typing may change as they evolve.
Maybe that's why Noivern is Flying/Dragon, because it's pre-evolution(s) is/are Flying/Normal?

Shit is getting interesting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 16:18:33 No.12643258 Report

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>>12643161
Adding to this, Noivern is probably Flying/Dragon and not Dragon/Flyng, because it's permanently exhibiting Flying (or wind, more accurately) characteristics: sound.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 16:22:12 No.12643305 Report

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>>12642990
you mean tornadus?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 16:22:51 No.12643312 Report

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I'm hoping against hope that it's because it'll evolve into something that replaces the Normal type. But, Bibarel exists... but it's just a beaver that needs to see a dentist and has a water fetish. And that's not normal. So I don't know what to think anymore.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 16:24:54 No.12643349 Report

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I personally welcome new Normal type combination. Normal is a weird but diverse type and I love that it is getting more type combos this gen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 16:28:19 No.12643397 Report

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>>12643201
When has a regional anything been evolved in a gen after it was introduced?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 16:28:23 No.12643399 Report

Quoted By: >>12643471 >>12643498

Guys what if that Lion thing is this gen's Rattata? Hence the normal typing.

TotalBro !79ILLStdco

TotalBro !79ILLStdco Wed 12 Jun 2013 16:30:58 No.12643433 Report

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The lion looks like it should be Gen 1 with pikachu and Growlithe looks like it should be Gen 6 with Helioptile

>>12642848
To answer your question OP. GF wants that Return STAB damage. They are very aware of the metagame. They added a new type just to balance out Dragons power.

Also its been 6 generations and they need to start getting more creative

TotalBro !79ILLStdco

TotalBro !79ILLStdco Wed 12 Jun 2013 16:34:59 No.12643471 Report

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>>12643399
Im think its this gens Poochyena, Shinx, Liepard

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 16:36:05 No.12643491 Report

Quoted By: >>12643549 >>12643567

>>12643397
Gen 2's regional pikachu got a pre-evolution and the now-regional Zubat got Crobat in Gen 2.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 16:37:06 No.12643498 Report

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>>12643399
B-but fire has always been a kinda rare type

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 16:39:27 No.12643532 Report

Quoted By: >>12643706

>>12643397
It's happened a few times, but you're right, I seriously doubt they'd to it to the Rattata line.
It's one of the signature pokes in the game, almost sacred even.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 16:40:55 No.12643549 Report

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>>12643491
Bat Pokemon regionalism doesn't carry over all Gens and Pikachu is obviously a special case. I see your point but the possibility of one of the regional rodents or birds getting an additional evo is pretty close to none.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 16:42:34 No.12643567 Report

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>>12643491
WOW youre a moron

There is no generation Zubat

There are only generational birds, rodents, electric rodents, and canine/felines

Thats it. None of them will ever get evolutions

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 16:44:31 No.12643597 Report

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>>12643567

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 16:45:34 No.12643607 Report

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>>12643597
Haha got nothing to say faggot?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 16:47:21 No.12643627 Report

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They're normal because they're middle class with the surname of Smith.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 16:48:37 No.12643643 Report

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>>12643119
Fire/Poison manticore with the ability Levitate to cut the 4x weakness to Ground. If it can learn Fly, I have found my new flyer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 16:49:50 No.12643659 Report

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>>12643607
haha u mad retard faggot cunt?
fuggin shit i cunt your mother on the ass u asshole

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 16:52:43 No.12643706 Report

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>>12643532
What would you call Pikachu getting Pichu then???

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 18:12:27 No.12644828 Report

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I think it simply indicates that at some point on their evolution line their typing is gonna change.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 18:47:30 No.12645298 Report

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>>12642848
>additional fighting weakness and ghost immunity
>return STAB

gen 6 will be interesting

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