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Anonymous Sun 16 Jun 2013 19:33:05 No.12696648 View View Reply Original Report

Sup, /vp/oreons,
hope you don't hate smogonfriends too much.

Looks like I need some help: I've made a pretty neat team (pic related) and it stands at about 20-10 W/L so far.
Suggestions for improvement?

I'll definitely replace Sludge bomb on Venomoth. Should I put sleep powder over it? maybe sub or roost?
I'm also thinking about replacing Rock blast on rhypherior with something.
Probably megahorn since it has SR and nobody is going to switch in a flyer anyway. Maybe protect for HJK?
>inb4 use Snorlax/Cofag/Sableye cause i won't

Also, PS advice general, I guess.

captcha: deesSu Day

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Jun 2013 19:39:45 No.12696720 Report

Quoted By: >>12696758 >>12696958

>>12696648
For Venomoth, I would use a Baton Pass set over what you have right now. It works practically the same due to Tinted Lens, except you'll have the ability to QuiverPass and put stuff to sleep.

The set would be QD / Baton Pass / Bug Buzz / Sleep Powder

If you don't want to use QuiverPass, then at least put Sleep Powder over Sludge Bomb imo

Also, I would use Ice Beam > Thunder Wave, but it doesn't really matter TOO much.

Also, Grass STAB > Leech Seed on Roserade imo.

Iron Head on Cobalion isn't a horrible idea, better than Zen Headbutt imo

Overall though, the team looks fine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Jun 2013 19:42:57 No.12696758 Report

Quoted By: >>12696860 >>12696958 >>12697042

>>12696720
Actually, I think Cobalion gets Sword Dance. Maybe us that over Rock Polish? His attack needs a boost before sweeping, and his speed is already subperb.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Jun 2013 19:49:43 No.12696860 Report

Quoted By: >>12697042

>>12696758
Cobalion definitely isn't strong enough to do much of anything without a SD.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Jun 2013 19:54:45 No.12696927 Report

Quoted By: >>12696996

>>12696648
>Using Cresselia
>Using Venomoth
>Defensive Rhyperior
>Defensive Roserade
2/10 would not use

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jun 2013 19:57:12 No.12696958 Report

Quoted By: >>12697260

Thanks guys
>>12696720
Moth: well i don't really like quiver passing cause i don't want to lose that extra turn. But i'll definitely use sleep powder
Cress: I have tw cause it's suposed to be a support pokemon (look @ EV's)
yes, it's hard countered by any dark type but i'll just twave (unless umbreon/xatu/mew) and gtfo
Roserade: same as above, it's the spikes/SDef set so i just want to put some extra pressuse on their snorlax/crobat/'krow switch-in
works fine so far, though i barely use sludge bomb tbh (actually only at stallwars with umbreon/sableye iirc)
Cobe: Zen headbutt is supposed to hit the nidos/crobat/mienshao with better than SE/CC, but I'm thinking about changing the set (see below)
>>12696758
Yes, he does. The rock polish is supposed to be there to counter their scarf heracross/mienshao/flygon, but I'm thinking sub/SD/CC/Zen headbutt (SD against wall teams, sub against scarfers)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Jun 2013 20:01:09 No.12696996 Report

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>>12696927
Actually spdef roserade is a beast
Rhypherior is staying until someone suggests a better wall
Venomoth and cress also kick ass but yeah, cresselia's set is kinda situational. Her stats and typing help take any hit Cobe/rhypherior will not
But she's staying until i find something better too

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Jun 2013 20:03:03 No.12697019 Report

Quoted By: >>12697042

>using legendaries
Do you suck dicks?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Jun 2013 20:05:07 No.12697042 Report

Quoted By: >>12697260

>>12697019
1/10 for making me reply
>>12696758
>>12696860
I forgot to mention that with rock polish, i can afford to be Adamant and with 252 HP EV's

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Jun 2013 20:18:23 No.12697260 Report

Quoted By: >>12697690

>>12696958
Moth: That's fine, but yeah. Sleep Powder > Sludge Bomb any day
Cress: I don't understand Calm Mind then. I was under the impression that it was a CM set, but if it's support, why not something else over CM? I think a support set with CM is trying to do much, and I would put Ice Beam / HP Fighting over CM then.
Rose: That's fine. Wondering if you'd consider Giga Drain > Sludge Bomb (I prefer both even on SpDef Rose) but I guess Leech Seed and Sludge Bomb are fine as well.
Cobe: I'm not sure if I follow here. Crobat gets wrecked by Stone Edge, and Mienshao can't take a CC for it's life. I guess the Nido's can be troublesome for Cobalion, but I don't know if it's worth using Zen Headbutt. I think if you use a Sub SD set, then Stone Edge is better than Zen Headbutt, because Stone Edge hits the Flying-types that resists Fighting.

>>12697042

Eh, I don't think that's enough power even with Adamant. The extra bulk is nice, but I say SD is probably better in the long run. Scarf users are a bitch, but what can you do?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jun 2013 20:58:05 No.12697690 Report

Quoted By: >>12697916

>>12697260
Cress: well yeah, as i said it's kinda situational.
Here's an example: Their physical attackers/dark types are down. Even better, cress is PAR or BRN (not TOX/SLP)
>cm&recover up to +6
>they rekt
but yeah, cm is totally useless out of that situation
as for HP fight>CM: well, rock and steel types cant do anything to cress. so i need it to cover dark types only. well, put simply, I don't want to take a sucker punch.
Ohhhh, what do you think of light screen? It just came to me :D

Cobe: Zen headbutt is more accurate vs Crobat, 1-2HKOes the nidos and also KOes heracross.
Anyway, I will change the set to sub/SD/CC/filler and go from there.

That leaves us with no real sweeper now, and just to be safe, I'd like to have a scarf (although Kingdra/Moth sweep just fine *IF* they get to set up rain/QD.
Opinions on scarfers?
I like scarfed Azelf. it has sweet coverage, U-turn, outspeeds all common scarfers. Should it replace something on my team?

Any help appreciated, /vp/.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jun 2013 21:11:41 No.12697813 Report

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bumping cause it fell to second page too fast ;_;

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Jun 2013 21:21:58 No.12697916 Report

Quoted By: >>12698132

>>12697690
Cress: Light Screen works as well. You could also try Healing Wish if you need more interesting ideas. There's also always Toxic.
Cob: I guess the coverage just depends on personal preference then.

ScarfAzelf could be nice, but I can't think of anything to replace without changing everything. I guess if I had to, I would change Rhyperior for Azelf and make Cobalion a support set with something like
Stealth Rock / Volt Switch / Close Combat or Focus Miss / HP Ice

The only problem I see is that you miss out on that sweet Phazing with D-Tail, not to mention Rhyperior has much more offensive presence.

Also, I would add Ice moves somewhere on the team, as Gligar could potentially give you problems (Although Kingdra can deal with it, and Cress can kind of deal with it, although it does not like Toxic. Venomoth can probably deal with it if it's been weakened.)

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jun 2013 21:38:51 No.12698132 Report

Quoted By: >>12698200

>>12697916
>Healing Wish
I'm assuming you meant Lunar Dance, since it's always better (restores PP too)
But I hadn't thought of Cress as a way to deal with Gligar AT ALL. So far I only relied on Venomoth. So I will go with ice beam for now on Cress and see how it works out.

As for scarfed Azelf, i was thinking about replacing Kingdra because Cobe is now a SD set and I don't need a second wallbreaker.
Rhypherior is too important for this team to be replaced, you know it ;)

Do you think I'd miss out on something too important if I ditched Kingdra?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Jun 2013 21:45:43 No.12698200 Report

Quoted By: >>12698366

>>12698132
>Lunar Dance
Whoops, yeah, I meant Lunar Dance. My bad :P

Anyways, I don't think you miss out on anything by replacing Kingdra, since Cress can now deal with Gligar. They both do similar jobs, so it's probably for the best.

Now the question is if you want Specially Based or Physical Based Choice Scarf Azelf. Looking at the team, I think physical would probably be better, probably a set of
Zen Headbutt / Ice Punch / U-Turn / Trick
Or something like that (maybe like Fire Punch or Explosion over Trick or something)

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jun 2013 22:00:08 No.12698366 Report

Quoted By: >>12698390 >>12698523

>>12698200
What makes you opt for physical Azelf? (No offense, I'm being curious)
His special movepool is superior, bar U-turn/explosion
I've used one with U-turn/Flamethrower/Psychic/Trick b4 but I quickly changed it to T-bolt.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Jun 2013 22:01:35 No.12698390 Report

Quoted By:

>>12698366
changed trick*

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Jun 2013 22:13:07 No.12698523 Report

Quoted By: >>12698582

>>12698366
I just like the stronger U-turn and the ability to explode, plus you have a lot of special attackers already. Oh, and iirc no Ice Beam (Might be wrong). Special is just as good though, just personal preference.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jun 2013 22:18:35 No.12698582 Report

Quoted By: >>12698674

>>12698523
Me too anon, but both defeat the purpose of a sweeper :(
and yeah, Azelf doesn't get ice beam

oh, what do you think of Uxie? Can it do cress's job well enough?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Jun 2013 22:24:51 No.12698674 Report

Quoted By: >>12698754

>>12698582
Uxie doesn't have dat ice beam. Joking aside, Uxie would do a similar job, trading Ice Beam for Wish, U-Turn, and Heal Bell (And I think cress is bulkier). You could also give it SR, but you probably shouldn't since you have Rhyperior. I would stay with Cress if only because Ice Beam, but both are pretty good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Jun 2013 22:31:10 No.12698754 Report

Quoted By: >>12698796

>>12698674
Yeah, I think I'll stay with cress after all.
I would switch if Uxie got wish. *IF*.
You made me all excited for nothing, anon ;_;
that said, i'll keep uxie in mind because healing bell/yawn/memento.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Jun 2013 22:33:42 No.12698796 Report

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>>12698754
Wait, it doesn't get wish? Fuck, I could of sworn it did. :( My bad anon

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