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FLAIREES SURVEY: PART A
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Hometown and Route 1 survey! like the previous ones, 66% gets them in.:
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Clash !BMy7CLasHA
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
Holy shit we have a lot of surveys going. Ill hold off on part 3 till at least tomorrow then.
Anonymous
>>12734265 Try the gym like pic related, so the player is forced to walk past a slide, whether we implement the snowball scene or not.
Anonymous
>>12734357 of course the more surveys we have the faster development goes.
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
>>12734383 >>12734361 True. I guess I'll do one more tonight. Anyone have any suggestions for me to include?
Also, make sure you upload your sprites to the wiki!! That is where I find most of them.
Nondell !PJ.OdWT5NU
>>12734413 Someone made a different version of this but I don't know where to find it.
Also whatever else you can find.
Anonymous
Anonymous
Anonymous
someone please give me me some useable feedback on this sprite?
Nondell !PJ.OdWT5NU
>>12734456 That was it.
>>12734457 Make the back of it's neck more organic instead of a straight 45 degree angle somehow.
Dog !StaIqxr34U
>>12734457 End of the tail needs to be thiner.. It just needs to be more gradual I guess.
Other than that it looks good.
Anonymous
>>12734457 Well it looks like a fucking latias, milotic, and frosslass combined. This is a seriously shitty gen you guys have here.
Draik !sgg1MEH.f2
>>12734371 Hmm, what if, above the entrance to the town, some on call out to you from up there, like alder always did, and on your way to go see him, you get bashed by the snowball? Ooh, what if its Fortunei? he gets your attention, but once foster gets ahold of you, he's gone?
Anonymous
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>>12734457 Looks like a snake form of Latias with non inflated balloons on it.
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
>>12734456 Added.
Does Foliat's line have different Male/Female sprites or are those two different sprites?
Anonymous
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>>12734547 gender differences
Anonymous
>>12734457 Lighter shadow on the upper lip. It is had to distinguish the mouth.
Anonymous
>>12734457 Lineart is a bit rigid. The shade on the white seems too dark, the green also looks too saturated. I'm not sure if the head suits the sprite.
Anonymous
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>>12734547 they're gender differences, cheeks for the male, none for the female.
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>12734493 I like that since it would be a good way to introduce Fortunei, but I still prefer the the scene with Foster interacting with his kids:
the player is walking past the gym and a kid pushes a giant snowball down that knock's the protag down, then a bunch of kids crowd around and start pestering you about wanting to see/play with your pokemon, then Foster shows up and shoos off the kids and talks to the protag about the pokemon league challenge then enters his gym... So maybe you could design the town to force the player to walk past the gym?
Anonymous
DashingHero !!jDn6qImItZZ
There we go finally added this to the wiki
Draik !sgg1MEH.f2
>>12734598 well see that was the thing, Fotrunei beckons you from atop the cliff up behind the gym, which in this situation is placed like so
>>12734371 And as you walk towards him the kids roll down the snowball, and thus enters foster.
Anonymous
>>12734609 is it color fixed. not in 20s anymore? i remember that when i made my proposed color differences in jumpuit colors
DashingHero !!jDn6qImItZZ
>>12734635 I literally have not a single clue what any of what you just said means.
Anonymous
>>12734615 if Fortunei's gonna be a hypnotist that invites trainers to play in his magical carriage, I don't know if I want him hanging around kids so much... so I guess it all depends on what we vote for Fortunei's final character bio.
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
>>12734609 I was just putting Eluchadon in too.
Here's what I have so far. There's 3 spots open. Everything else is listed on the wiki as "WIP" I don't know if I should survey them if they're still being worked on. What is everyone's take on the matter?
Anonymous
>>12734645 meaning more then 20 in pallet. i have mini palets made up on this when i was playing about.
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
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>>12734665 Never mind, I found a few more. Also, is there any difference at all in the 2 Barracute sprites? I've been staring at it for like 5 minutes now.
Draik !sgg1MEH.f2
>>12734647 lol, very good point, although in this situation he'd be back behind where the kids are playing. Still creepy, but whatever. and after foster talks to you he disappears, as if never even there... ooooOOOOoooooOOOOooo Spooky
Anonymous
>>12734645 in a normal pokemon game, sprites don't have more than 16 colors in their pallet including black/white and transparency, the previous sprite had too many colors... we're having similar problems with most of the rainbow dragon sprites, for obvious reasons... (if only we had voted for transparent body instead of two tone)
DashingHero !!jDn6qImItZZ
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>>12734689 Not even the SLIGHTEST clue. I'll check though.
Anonymous
DashingHero !!jDn6qImItZZ
>>12734720 >>12734689 Well then, Paint seems to be being a bitch right now and the Eraser won't work for fast recolor, so I'll fix it up some other time, because it's obviously over the color limit.
Anonymous
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>>12734807 yeah i figured. always my pet peeve. my sprites for that line sucked and someone it looking good with sprites made by breakin da rules. suffer like me, that line is annoying to sprite.
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
This is what I have. Does anyone have any critiques or things that they would like to see added?
Anonymous
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>>12734647 maybe Fortunei's on a search for quetz, like that idiot who was after Suicune:
"This is my quest, to follow that star, no matter how weary, no matter how far..."
Anonymous
>>12734836 don't included elucidion. we were just discussing it's invalid palete.
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
>>12734965 Done. Hows this?
DashingHero !!jDn6qImItZZ
>>12734965 I'm trying to fix it and holy FUCK, it has so many very similar black/dark grey colors that it's hard as shit to fix.
Anonymous
>>12735007 yup i know. lucito is bad too so you might as well work on the pair and take a couple days on it,
DashingHero !!jDn6qImItZZ
>>12735013 HOLY SHIT
I THINK I HAVE THIS
I MAY HAVE CRACKED THE CODE, I'M ON TO SOMETHING HERE
Anonymous
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>12734665 dont add that first cahokisect, its unfinished and not good.
Anonymous
>>12735166 2-3 days and over 100 voters(as with most surveys). i'm curious myself
Nondell !PJ.OdWT5NU
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>>12735143 The tail curling forward is a nice change, make the tail color darker to match the artwork, also de-saturate the yellow slightly.
Anonymous
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>>12735143 Much better, prefer the one on the left myself
Anonymous
>>12735183 im pretty sure clash [sic needed] said it was closing on the 18th... it's the 20th where I am
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
>>12735177 A couple people earlier really wanted to see it included.
Its too late at night right now to post a survey, if someone can finish this Cahokisect sprite by the time I upload the survey tomorrow morning as a reply to
>>12734993 I'll add it to the survey. If not, its gone.
Clash !BMy7CLasHA
>>12735214 What.. I don't know when Sketcher is closing it. And I haven't said any sort of deadline.
DashingHero !!jDn6qImItZZ
>>12735044 YO MOTHAFUCKAS
CHECK IT
I believe I have made a WORKABLE(?) color palette for Eluchadon, and by extension, possibly Luchito. My Eluchadon sprite, which is over the color limit, is on the left. The color palette that I've just cut down to is on the right. This color palette, if I am counting correctly, is 15 colors. This color palette uses some colors already on the sprite, and some that are very similar. I'm posting this here because LORD knows I suck at sprite editing, so I'm gonna do some CROWDSOURCING and throwing this out there for anyone to try their hand at. I'll work on it when I get home from work tomorrow. I guess just try to use as similar colors as possible for now.
Also, one thing I forgot to fix: if you look at the right arm (Eluchito's left), there's a gap where there should technically be tail. Just fill ti in yellow or some shit.
Anonymous
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>>12735228 yeah probably someone else, my bad. I wanna see my fire starter real bad
Anonymous
>>12735221 no, they wanted the one that is C on your list
Anonymous
>>12734371 Reposting from last thread:
Does this town have to be snowy at all? I mean, at least the starting town had high altitude as a justification. But this place is in the middle of a tropical region next to our equivalent of the Amazon. The transition from the this to the nearby jungle on Route 3 is gonna be pretty jarring.
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
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>>12735262 Oh that makes sense. I just figured it was that one because it was the only one that wasn't on the wiki.
Anonymous
Added one more color because the yellow and back couldn't share their outline well.
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
I've got the survey all set. Should I post now or should I wait to the morning to see if there's any new submissions?
Anonymous
>>12735426 Always wait for the next day. Obviously that doesnt mean wait until the next day tomorrow, too....
Clash !BMy7CLasHA
>>12735275 I kinda think it should be alittle less snowy, and then the next route should be transitioning from snowy->almost rock/dirt->grass
Also maybe have the lake tak up the bottom left corner not the whole bottom. That would help a bit more in transitioning. Also after Route 3 is a forest, so the transition needs to be in Route 3 of before.
And like I said maybe a little less snow on the right side of town and then make the left side of Route 3 into the main transition.
Draik !sgg1MEH.f2
Anonymous
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>>12734441 Someone put this in a survey!
Clash !BMy7CLasHA
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>>12735457 Yay! I kinda wanna start mapping a bit. I tried awhile back but was very busy at the time and didn't put to much effort into figuring out how it works.
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
>>12735432 Good point. And don't worry, it'll be up in the morning to early afternoon.
And does anyone know if there's a difference between the two Barracute sprites on the wiki? I honestly can't tell.
Anonymous
>>12735275 I think this town could be mostly snowy, but maybe with less snow the closer you get to the other town exit... then by the time you're in the middle of Rout 3 it's completely grassy.
I think people are married to the idea of an ice fishing village, which needs to be mostly snowy to make the ice believable... But I always liked the concept of the town being green and sunny, but the gym being surrounded by a circle of snow from the huge number of ice types that hang out there all the time.
Anonymous
I really hated the face on the ignishell sprite, so I made an attempt to make it more like the artwork. My attempt is on the left.
Anonymous
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>>12735400 Also should I move the tail stripes down a bit so the gap between the base and first stripe isn't the same size as the hip hump?
>>12735486 No idea other than one being cropped! It needs to be recolored anyway.
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
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>>12735540 Good thing I didn't upload the survey so soon. I'll add it in.
Anonymous
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>>12735540 teamwork. i fix body and head shape, you perfect it. yippee
Anonymous
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>>12735503 >I think people are married to the idea of an ice fishing village Well, remember
there's always the Cirabe Islands. Anonymous
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>>12734305 Absolutely loved the home, guys.
Anonymous
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>>12734689 Not sure if this sprite was ever recorded
Anonymous
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>>12735233 Those yellows are too bright
Anonymous
Attempt at unifying diloweed and pangolash.
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>12737230 actually this is a massive improvment
i am now very pleased with the results
Anonymous
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>>12737232 >>12737236 Great, if I have the time tomorrow then I'll try working on a more refined version of it.
Anonymous
>>12734647 the carriage is the gym
we tardis now
Anonymous
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>>12737320 Speaking of which....
I vaguely remember seeing a Gym Leader proposed design with a coat similar to the 6th Doctor's
Anonymous
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>>12734487 Shit guys, he doesn't like it!
let's just stop then
Anonymous
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In what order does the player get the HM's? SInce the waterfall cave is supposed to open progressively throguhout the game, right?
Anonymous
important question
Anonymous
>>12737718 It isn't officially anything with regards to typing, but I'd believe the dex image over the wiki, which has many more errors.
Anonymous
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>>12737749 >It isn't officially anything with regards to typing types were decided quite a while ago
Anonymous
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>>12734647 >hypnotist that invites trainers to play in his magical carriage pls no
Worldwibe !!Ss4pOUddSQJ
Hi there everyone
Since I was banned, I haven't been able to post in the last 3 days.
Now that that's is out of the way, Listen up all musicfags.
I've created 4 new lists for categorizing our music
Encounter and Battle
all things about battles https://soundcloud.com/mathias-kristoffersen-2/sets/encounter-and-battle Places and Routes
locations https://soundcloud.com/mathias-kristoffersen-2/sets/places-and-routes Plot
mood-music, evil team, all things for the plot https://soundcloud.com/mathias-kristoffersen-2/sets/plot And lastly
Unspecified
You know The big list is still there, but now it would be easier to find songs you are looking for.
If you think any of your songs doesn't fit the list it is in, alert me.
Also, from tomorrow I'll be gone on vacation and won't have internet for about 2-3 weeks
maybe I will, but it's a very small chance so if anybody has something to say, say it today
Worldwibe !!Ss4pOUddSQJ
Anonymous
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>>12734457 use this body, but scrap it's carppy head
Nugget
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>>12735143 maybe make the mouth more round and less angular?
Kirn !ZIX1K1Rn42
ive been up for 20 hours on only a couple hours of sleep
Anonymous
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>>12738261 Looks very
sexy. Sleep well~ Anonymous
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What else needs to be done on this sprite?
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
Anonymous
>>12737930 Why were you banned?
Worldwibe !!Ss4pOUddSQJ
>>12738671 Being rude
Well, I've learned my lesson
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
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I'll work on a part 4 tonight. Does anyone know if the Pebblosa line's sprites are surveyable? And if you have any new sprites to add, post it on the wiki and reply to this post.
Anonymous
>>12738685 What else should I ask you?
Worldwibe !!Ss4pOUddSQJ
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>>12738753 Request for drawing?
Anonymous
>>12737320 no, but he hypnotizes you into thinking it's like Trickmasters house, and you fight a bunch of trainers, but at the end you just wake up. Your pokemon's level ups are explained by the fact that while you were sleeping he doped them with bootleg rarecandy and vitamins
Anonymous
>>12738798 >bootleg rarecandy and vitamins Anonymous
>>12738829 okay, real rarecandy and vitamins.
Anonymous
>>12738848 I don't care for the idea of hi doping your pokemon at all really.
Anonymous
>>12738829 well then maybe it's just exp. free battles against trainers with similar typing to what you might encounter in the next gym, sort of like training or something. And if you beat all of them he gives you a rare heal item like a full restore or something.
Anonymous
Anonymous
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>>12738871 but, muh happiness...
Nugget
>>12734647 what about making him a traveling trainer that constantly stays within level of the player and keeps a full roster.
we could even integrate him into the plot at some point
Anonymous
>>12738955 I prefer the champion idea.
Anonymous
>>12738955 I definitely want him battleable... maybe when you beat him he gives you a good hold/heal item. The battles would have to be completely optional of course, and he'd still have to give the player hints as to what to do to progress in the game without battling him first.
I don't want him to be plot critical.
Anonymous
>>12738974 I hate the champion idea. I prefer the idea that your child hood friend who had their pokemon stolen by Ricardo, gets the third starter and fights their way up to champion out of shear determination to never be taken advantage of by stronger trainers ever again. When you defeat them they realize that strong friendships are equally as important as strong pokemon.
Nugget
>>12739005 >>12738981 >>12738974 looks like we have a lot of different ideas haha
Nugget
>>12739019 has his role been surveyed at all yet?
Anonymous
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>>12739021 no
>>12739019 I guess I'll wait for the "Champion" survey.
Anonymous
>>12739005 Sounds good. I'll give it my vote but I'm not too keen on making the childhood friend the opposite gender protag.
Worldwibe !!Ss4pOUddSQJ
>>12739005 >>12739019 Droppin' it
Someone should compile this into an image CALCIFER FORTUNEI
Droppin' suuggestions
Remember that he can be more than just one of these concepts
>Fortune teller He travels through the region with his Fantasmare-driven wagon (like pic related) and gives tips/visions to the player of the future (you meet him in many towns, cities and major locations), the method you get those tips from him is undecided.
His Signature Pokémon are Vultergyst-line
They could be:
Battles
Money
Riddles
Puzzles
>Reccuring Conman Sells fossils, relics that become Seddirot/Grolem, bitter herbs, rare items, etc
>Trick Master Works as trick master in RSE, except the "trick house" is his wagon. You get to do this in several towns and by the end of each you get a prize.
> Leader of Team _____ acting as a con man to keep a close eye on his subordinates. >Champion Anonymous
>>12739038 I'd rather it be the swapgender protag than to introduce yet another NPC.
Worldwibe !!Ss4pOUddSQJ
>>12739043 The pic is here
>>12734647 >Ancient hero In the plot (see pic) there is mentioned that in ancient times Quetz dragon was released and destroyed almost all of the Poké-Aztecs' civilization.
However, it was stopped by a mysterious hero, who disappeared without a trace soon after.
Fortunei is that hero. The reason he is still alive today is beacuse he is immortal (youth-wise) after saving the world and interactions with Xochi. What attracts him to Urobos again is that he got a feeling that that shit is happening again, but this time he wants to watch and play with people minds. He can also stop the Quetz again if no other of the current time manages.
Beign immortal explains his mysterious and odd behaviour and also the ability to forsee stuff; He has seen it all before.
The air of mystery would be really useful, because we could either play that to our advantage and keep his backstory intentionally foggy throughout the whole game, or reveal all in a grand spectacle.
>The End-game Challenge End-game battle like Red, only harder.
This could be fused with the "ancient hero"-concept to see that he wants to test the new hero.
Some suggested that he could have different colours for each time that you meet him.
Did I miss anything?
Anonymous
>>12739049 I just didn't want to see the psychic buddy design go to the wayside I guess.
>>12739057 End-game mixed with fortunteller sounds the best
Worldwibe !!Ss4pOUddSQJ
>>12739069 Fortune Teller+ hero + Endgame is my favorite
Anonymous
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>>12739043 If we don't give him other functions, having him charge ~500P for "visions" and selling herbal medicine would be a decent role for him. Not so important that people think his character has grown too big, but still enough to be useful.
>inb4 people complaining that bitter medicine's low cost makes the game too easy that's the whole point of his character, to make the game easier for noobs.
Anonymous
>>12739057 my only problem with the ancient hero plot is that immortality doesn't fit in the pokemon universe.
Nugget
>>12739078 that'd be funny. If he's a crazy wacko that sells you useless/useful weird shit the whole game. Then you beat the game and find him, and he drops a bunch of plot bombs
Anonymous
>>12739105 Magnificent
>>12739102 It would explain why he uses a couple of ghost-types
Nugget
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>>12739078 I saved your posts. I'll make an image at some point
Anonymous
>>12739117 ghost types aren't actual ghosts, they're born and die just like any other pokemon... if he were immortal he'd probably use rock/steel types.
Anonymous
>>12739102 Immortality screams mary sue, as does the ancient hero thing. Rolling with the fortune teller idea is the best angle imo.
Anonymous
>>12739129 I've never been a fan of gag characters.
Anonymous
>>12739138 He doesn't have to be a gag by playing up the motif. I just feel it offers a far better opportunity for the character to develop into something well-rounded than the other ideas.
Anonymous
Anonymous
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Definitely agree. This guy is getting more air time than the real plot and the real PC. Who is supposed to be the focus? Remember? Ancient immortal hero paired with an unknowable space god is really inappropriate for both the kind of game we're making and the brand.
Anonymous
>>12739155 if he's a marysue there's no way I could consider him anything but a gag. >"Immortal hero, all the strongest pokemon, blessed by the gods, knows everyting"
Anonymous
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seems relevant
Nugget
we don't have to get too caught up in the immortal hero thing. I think a lot of people would like to see him play a bigger role than some random gag fortune teller.
Anonymous
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>>12739170 >believing the pokedex Anonymous
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>>12739182 Uhh...I agree. The immortality/hero angle IS a dead horse cliche and makes him fanfic-tier. I guess I wasn't being clear, sorry.
Anonymous
>>12739187 It is really, really not. He is a very weak and shallow character. There's not a damn thing about his personality, just a bunch of weird gimmicks and abilities.
Anonymous
>>12739187 >His character profile is one of our strongest no it's not, that's why we're all sitting here discussing what the fuck he could do in game. He has no character past "Traveling guy that gives you tips and has some ghost/dark types"
Anonymous
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>>12739170 it's much more likely that, because it's found near burrials, and because it carries deathmasks, people assumed it had something to do with the spirit of the dead person... when in reality it's just a coincidence.
Anonymous
>>12739194 >>12739198 Still has one of the best designs imo
Anonymous
>>12739187 I think a lot of people want a super special mary sue living god to be cooler than the player and do the whole plot. Doesn't mean it's a good idea. The pokemon game is supposed to be about the player. They are the mover and shaker rocketing through the ranks and solving national crisises. Being the pawn of some 2cool4skool dickbag "ancient hero" completely undermines that. Even him giving the player tips is a little too much control over them, but at least it's in the forgivable range.
Anonymous
>>12739198 by that I think he just meant that Fortunei is one of our most universally liked characters
he's been discussed and developed probably more than most others
Nugget
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>>12739215 this is kind of what I meant. he has the potential to be pretty darn memorable, just like pokeman imo. they're funny, quirky, and hold potential to be someone you rout for/like
Anonymous
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>>12739217 "We are the hero of our own story." - Mary McCarthy
Anonymous
>>12739226 then he misspoke, and I could care less.
but you're wrong, other than his design, he still has no character development... Alcoholic Mangrove has more character than Cal.
Anonymous
>>12739226 >posting that design >>12739236 >Alcoholic Mangrove That's not a thing
Anonymous
>>12739194 >>12739198 Crazy guy
Always happy
You can see his personallity in his face
Anonymous
>>12739236 are you new? He's been brought up, and had ideas about him thrown around, an innumerable amount of times in the last few months
Anonymous
>>12739236 >Alcoholic Mangrove That's worse than bootleg rare candy
Anonymous
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>>12739247 >are you new? That was pretty obivious m8.
Anonymous
>>12739241 can we give him Forthorn as his #6? I can just imagine Slenderman/Forthorn standing all awkward next to the cart, staring at children while freaked out trainers shop for energy roots.
Nugget
>>12739241 haha he's so great. I can't wait for us to write scripts for conversations with him. I can imagine his crazy voice in my head
Anonymous
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>>12739258 don't blame me, it wasn't my idea
Anonymous
>>12739270 We gotta have crazy laughter
Anonymous
>>12739238 That's the point.
>>12739241 That is not even remotely consistent.
>>12739247 And it's never CHARACTER development. It's doodles and weird accomplishments and desires for stronger involvement in the story.
This character would work best as a source for an HM, a couple unexpected battles, and a seller of weird goods like bitter root that tells you things that may or may not be true after you buy from him.
>I hear there's a white Lavoon in the south seas. Whoever heard of pokemon in different colors? >I have a cousin named M'aiq, but his birth name is Charles. >There is a man in <jungle village> who can levitate twenty feet off the ground. Anonymous
>>12738955 At that point, he'd just be Cal, which is impossible.
Anonymous
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>>12739265 See I'm never fond of giving other npcs a Gym leader's signature pokemon.
>>12739275 You know exactly who to look to for that.
Dia !7zfFcmVqWQ
>>12739127 Spiritomb definitely is, a couple others are, but yes, for the most part ghost is usually used on more aberrant pokemon than actual undead pokemon, but it does happen.
BUT
I do agree for the most part that immortality most definitely does not fit into the pokemon setting, but I'm sure it's not an original concept, probably used on an obscure one-of character from either the anime or one of the many mangas.
Anonymous
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>>12739278 and every once in a while he hints at rare pokemon in the area, but uses the retro dex entry.
>I hear there's a cave where you can find a turtle... it's neck is so long," Anonymous
>>12739278 As long as the bitter roots don't cost 500
Nugget
>>12739280 what do you mean by impossible? coding? don't want to rehash designs?
Anonymous
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>>12739291 >Spiritomb is a Necronite who's psychic energies have been corrupted, causing it to behave like a ghost type.
Anonymous
>>12739300 the point of Cal's existence is that he's an easy mode for noobs. People who want a challenge can shop at a regular mart, people who want an easier time playing can buy buttons of revival herb from the wagon while enjoying some free game advice.
Anonymous
>>12739317 So you decided on the point of his existence for us? gee thanks.
Anonymous
>>12739305 Impossible being that we dont have a Mystery Gift function. Same reason we dont have any Machamp clones
Anonymous
>>12739326 no, that's always been his reason for existing. Once he was established as a character people decided he could serve the function of gamefairy by giving the player hints about where to go next.
I was only extending that premiss of him being a helper by explaining that it doesn't matter if he sells cheap items since the intent of his character is to be help for people that are having difficulties in the game.
Nugget
>>12739352 sorry I guess I don't understand. what does mystery gift have to do with travelling and staying within level of the player?
Anonymous
>>12739355 This is the first conceptual picture of him
He has always been like the tip-guy in Earthbound
Anonymous
>>12739380 thankyou, that's exactly what I'm saying. maybe you can tell this guy
>>12739326 that
Anonymous
>>12739389 I think extended tips into cheap items is too much.
Anonymous
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>>12739399 Never did
That only got suggested 2 months ago
Anonymous
>>12739399 Scratch I don't know maybe I'm overestimating this whole thing I'm very weary of people trying to make the game easier.
Anonymous
>>12739368 Cal is a trainer from GSC that was fought once a day in Viridian city and took the place of the last trainer you used MG with, battling you with their team (or all 3 Johto starters at level 50 otherwise). Im saying Fortunei sounds basically like that.
Nugget
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>>12739438 yea yea, I understand that part. but the whole traveling thing is a bit different. It would also be easy to code mon that would maintain a challenge to your current team.
At any rate, it's just an idea to make the world and people in it feel a bit more dyanmic
Nondell !PJ.OdWT5NU
>>12737930 Is nanashima one of our composers?
Anonymous
>>12739430 I'm fine with the game being easier, as long as every "easy making" concept is made optional. I'm fine with HM replacement items, but I'm annoyed that we don't also have the option of nondeletable HM's for the traditionalists, I'm fine with Cal selling cheap items, so long as there's a regular priced store nearby for people who want regular prices.
Anonymous
>>12739493 I'm not fine with optional easiness at all. It's the bane of modern video gaming.
Anonymous
>>12739513 I'm only okay with it because we're already making the game harder to begin with, any easy option only brings it down to average pokemon levels of easyness.
Anonymous
>>12739531 Average pokemon easiness is meant for ten year olds.
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>12739542 so are most videogames.
Nugget
>>12739513 >>12739531 >>12739542 we'll see when shit gets up and running. keep in mind that there will be weeks of balancing.
I'm not arguing either way, just saying we have no idea how this game will play until we actually sit down and play it
Anonymous
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>>12739531 That's a positive way of seeing I think.
Anonymous
>>12739558 A demographic I doubt this is going to target, considering it's a fangame.
Anonymous
>>12739559 >"...and so it was in the summer of 2015 that /vp/ completed their game..." Anonymous
>>12739578 no, we're keeping youths in mind, that's why we're not including any nudity or cursing... and why our villain team is just a gang of gentlemen who explore and want to find gold.
Anonymous
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>>12739592 No we're keeping that stuff out because it's completely unnecessary and doesn't fit into a pokemon game fangame or not.
Anonymous
>>12739584 Basically. If we finish before Z or
Hoenn remakes I'd be honestly quite happy. If we finish before X/Y, I wont be satisfied until we test everything out until Christmas. No way we could finish everything left over in 2 months. There'd be so many bugs and out-of-place material and imbalanced battles
Nugget
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>>12739584 haha that's not unreasonable at this point
Anonymous
What's wrong with him just selling you potions and herbs? Doesn't even NEED to be cheaper, just have him show up ALONG routes instead of in towns!
Nugget
>>12739619 just think of the hundreds of lines of convos to write that alone with take more than 2 months imo
Anonymous
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>>12739584 $5 says we finish before Garnet.
Anonymous
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>>12739629 >Shorts are really comfortable! Anonymous
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>>12739629 especially if we have to survey every conversation
Anonymous
Nugget
>>12739625 people think that the potential for his character is greater than that rudimentary role. It's something we're going to have to survey at any rate
Anonymous
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>>12739629 people are already writing lines. lots of them. a bunch are on forums. but to say nothing in demo 1 will be changed in demos after would be a lie. it will be a constant thing.
Local Moose Friend !isnn/AUU0c
>>12737230 Kinda weird a tumbleweed evolves into a bush (should be the opposite I think) but I like how this looks, a lot!
Anonymous
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>>12739750 I still find it weird that we vote on mons individually rather than as sets.
Anonymous
what happened to the bara gay porn?
Anonymous
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>>12739750 I find it weird that your ass hasn't evolved into being on my dick
#rekt
Nugget
>>12739750 it's looking nicer, but are there any cues to its steel typing?
Anonymous
>>12739355 >>12739380 There was another idea with Fortunei is an immortal hero thing. Writing from memoery and forum post:
Fortunei is a con-man, but is actually the immortal hero who stopped Quteza in the past (made immortal through other legendaries?).
He seems half-mad, rips you off and leads you wrong through the whole game, only to actually be of use.
> Ho ho my boy! A good showman never shows his hand! > That block I sold to you, did it not become a Grolem? > And that jungle you got lost in, didn't you discover Team ____ nefarious plot? > You see, I have been guiding you from the start. Even if I didn't realize it myself! > Oh ho ho ho! ahem... > I do apologise, when you have lived as long as I have, your mind goes quite strange... > But enough waffling, I stopped by to say I was proud of you! > You stopped Team ____ and averted Quetza from destroying this whole region! > You know, you sort of remind me of the hero of the legend in some ways... maybe not as smart or good looking though... he he he... > Say hi to to that little Mangrove boy for me. Congratulate him on becoming a proffesor. > And now, I depart! So long, Anon!! I've got to try and make new legends that may outshine you! Oh ho ho ho ho!! You can fight him post games in a few places. If the hero of legend wore red, His costume is changed to red.
He's also heavily implied to have met Mangrove as a boy, further hinting at his immortality.
Anonymous
>>12739668 I like the idea of him being an endgame character that helps you along the way, I just don't think he needs to help you that substantially. Give him a nice story, make him Red 2.0 for South America, and just have him stay on routes instead of towns with normal prices.
Anonymous
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>>12739780 What about the actual discussion happening ATM? Anonymous
>>12739592 That is not even remotely decided. So stop. It's a really shitty plot idea, anyway, with no possibility of any interesting or decent writing. I don't want this to be a forgetable fan game and that is a boring, boring, BORING motivation.
Local Moose Friend !isnn/AUU0c
>>12739785 Not yet, except if you think of it as steel green plates. The metal doesn't have to be super apparent like Aggron or something. If you add enough shine, anything can be metal.
Thats why I liked the cactus one~ The needles of a cactus can be the steels part, so it works well I think.
Nugget
>>12739789 thanks for providing this
>>12739793 yea, that's kind of what I had in mind.
none of this is set in stone, if you look at the character img he isn't confirmed or approved so we have flexibility in defining exactly who he is and what he does
Anonymous
>>12739830 anything but the beach ball is fine with me
>>12739826 anything can be a good plot motivation if it's written well.
Anonymous
>>12739831 It doesn't matter when or how the idea first came up. It's a bad idea. It is terrible writing and removes the player from the spotlight which is
NOT
WHAT
WE WANT
in a pokemon game, no matter how many people "vote" for it. It's just plainly and evidently bad design. I don't give a shit what stupid powers the asshole has or how often he shows up in the game at this point, the problem is that putting in an immortal ancient hero con man psychic whatever to guide the player by the nose makes the game about them instead of about the player.
Anonymous
>>12739849 No, it really can't. Some ideas are just shallower than others. That is how ideas work.
Nugget
>>12739854 there's no need to be so callous.
like everything else it's going to be voted on, and like everything else if you don't like the result then it's too bad. we've all been disappointed by one vote or another
Anonymous
>>12739858 you call it shallow, I call it broad. Lust for gold can be literally shoehorned into any storyline if you want it to. Maybe the evil team makes bootleg rarecandy and sells it on the black market in order to satisfy their lust for gold, then when they hear that the protag is on the trail of an illusive fairy mon that can turn things into gold they try and find it first.
Anonymous
>>12739868 This is a bigger deal than just one of almost 200 pokemon. We're beyond blind democracy right now. It's going to require very laborious thinking and tinkering and we can't rush through it.
Anonymous
>>12739881 That's not broad at all. I'm not convinced you know what these words mean. Is English your first language?
Nugget
>>12739889 yea definitely. from the start we've agree to democracy though. the surveys will have to done very thoughtfully
Anonymous
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>>12739895 from miriam webster,
Broad: widely applicable or applied
#rekt
Anonymous
Anonymous
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>>12739908 Which means we can't use the surveys as a cudgel to stop debates and discussion! This has become a writing project for the next few stages. And it's the most visible and influential and memorable part of the game. When the rest of /vp/ discusses ROM hacks they talk about the story first. They play buggy games if it has a good story. They avoid well balanced games if it's filled with mary sues and plot holes. Most everyone who could play this game is going to think the same way.
Anonymous
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>>12739908 from the start we agreed that we'd be making a pokemon game, not "final digi-dragon rancher quest fantasy 12; VP paloza"
Anonymous
>>12739789 He seems a bit too kind here
Anonymous
What if Fortunei isn't necessarily immortal, but is being kept at around age 35 by Xochi? Then, at the end, he lets you catch Xochi, while agreeing to age and die like a mortal? Then, your character gains Immortality,' which could possibly be explore in sequels.
Anonymous
>>12739922 Can you do more to make the Boarialis cry ethereal? Corrupt it somehow? I like the snort and the echoing out, it makes it sound really expansive, but it also seems too on-the-money. This is a pig MONSTER, not just a pig, you know? The same with the glass shatters. It's a good idea but it's too clear. Bekker is also too voiced, in my opinion. It could use more in the way of Fumighast's distortions to make it sound weird and other instead of sounding like a dude teasing his infant with a falsetto.
These are fantastic starts, though, thank you!
Anonymous
>>12739954 Drop the immortality thing entirely. It's poison.
Anonymous
Nugget
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>>12739954 this is too far off from a pokemon themed game.
gen IV did set a new precedent though. holy heck
Anonymous
>>12739964 >>12739965 Not that guy, but if you were around when the idea was being discussed, it was meant to be part of the Northingon evil team plot, in which Northington tries to steal the gold pixie for fortune and glory. Fortunei wouldn't steal the spotlight; he'd simply serve as a guide, passing the torch to the player, as history is repeating itself.
Anonymous
>>12739881 I've never believed in this "bootleg rare candy" idea, it's too complex. How about, instead, the evil team is basically Team Rocket with regards to their goals, except they have zero interest in the power of Pokémon other than its applications in their pursuit for gold. They discover gold in Urobos (created by the golden idol), and, through excavating it, discover golden tablets which describe the idol's powers over the common elements and its ability to gild any object it chooses. Cue their quest for the idol which incites the wrath of Quetz as they disturb his slumber. Cue Quetz's imminent button'ing of the region before you and the Seven/Gym Leaders step in and take both Quetz and the evil team. Of course, much of this wouldn't actually be mentioned in the game, but it's useful for fleshing out ideas with things like motifs and character designs.
Anonymous
>>12739954 i thought it wasn't immortality it was tie travel or something. better don't answer the why. he merely exists. if we want to edit a couple of maps and make a mangrove origins playthrough to our game we can have him show up all the same and never explain his weirdness, let others make their own decisions on it. though i support the idea of his changing wardrobe.
Anonymous
>>12739982 1) I hate Northington, he has no character beyond being an anti Mangrove, and I barely like Mangrove.
2) why does Fortunei need to be an immortal blessed by the gods in order to serve as a guide? isn't it enough for him to be a simple psychic who gives you directional tips?
Anonymous
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>>12740010 time travel. though tie travel is interesting idea
Anonymous
>>12739982 I was around. It was a bad idea then and it's a bad idea now. The whole thing is unbelievably shallow and self-serving. It draws the player out of the centerpiece. You become a pawn for one character immensely more relevant and powerful than you are against a bunch of forgetable stereotypes in a conflict with stakes so low it does not matter if you actually succeed or not.
"We want money" is something Gamefreak resorted to for their first team out of concern for space on the cartridge. It's not a good idea. A good idea would let us explore questions and implications and philosophies. A good idea SAYS something when the game is over. What would this plot idea say? "Don't sell magic candy and avoid gangsters." Great. Thanks.
Nugget
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>>12740016 I think he was just stating that one of the original ideas for him was to play a larger role via the whole immortality thing
Anonymous
>>12740021 Every pokemon plot has been weak until Gen v just saying.
Anonymous
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>>12740008 Team Evil kidnapping Mushroom mon in order to make rarecandy from their spores, and the runoff from their factory causing premature evolutions into shiny form is equally and purpousfully as complex as team rocket cutting off slowpoke tails and rigging radio signals to fuck with magicarp.
Anonymous
Why are so many people focused on literally the worst plot idea we have available? There are many others that are about, say, the self versus the needs of society, what it means to have identity and to lack it, the role of superstition and spirituality in our everyday lives and the tapestry of our cultures, and a lot of other really vibrant ideas that we could sink our teeth into.
Nugget
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>>12740021 I think I can agree with you on a lot of points, but your argument highlights the fact that so little of the main plot is established and approved. it makes fitting characters (big and small) into it very difficult
Anonymous
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>>12740040 We should be using this project to elevate how people think about pokemon games as RPGs and encourage other fan games to stop sucking so very fucking bad. Why half ass anything when we have so many willing and passionate contributors and no release date?
Anonymous
Are we talking about plot?Gold-Lady is a shit Bootleg Rare candy is the worse
Anonymous
>>12740016 You're obviously newer. There was a huge plot made months ago that was almost unilaterally liked about Northington being the leader of the evil team, which is an exporer's club looking to find the city of gold and steal the gold pixie, due to some shaky history with his rival Mangrove back in university.
Releasing the pixie would awaken Quetz's wrath, but only Northington knew this and he didn't care about the consequences, which made him the antagonist. This all happened in Urobos 100's of years earlier, and it was stopped by Fortunei. Now, its happening again.
Also, you keep saying you don't like things as if your opinions are facts and your opinions matter a shit to anyone. I don't want to antagonize you, but you're acting like a twat, and nobody's going to listen to you if you keep acting like that.
Anonymous
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>>12740016 yeah, fuck Northington
biased because I hate his name Anonymous
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>>12740008 >golden tablets the tablets describe a fairy who can turn shit into gold... The team then finds local ledgends around the region talking about beautiful ethereal mons who would show up at odd times. The team goes hunting for the whether sprits, not realizing that they have next to nothing to do with making gold.
The sprits being captured causes the elements to fall out of ballance, storms, volcanos, upwards flowing waterfalls etc.
In response, Xochi appears, the evil team, sure that they got the right one this time, capture her.
Quetz awakens and wrecks shit
Anonymous
>>12740078 I like the idea of modern conquistadores trying to find gold with some Incan pokemon, but the immortality/this happened a century ago thing doesn't need to be included.
Fortunei could have just been a trainer who calmed Quetz like 20 years ago for some other reason and has a psychic link to him idk.
Anonymous
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>>12740076 I made this. Keep in mind that everything on there was subject to change, and even though Adventurous Gentleman's Club was chosen on the survey, I still think Team Aurum is a better name and it was gonna be resuerveyed, but never was. Also, the Doucherado stealing Pokedex data is kind of a shitty idea.
Nugget
>>12740078 fortunei's role in the plot hasn't been confirmed as far as I know. It does fit in alright and give a circular sense to the plot though.
>>12740051 >>12740021 does this really sound terrible to you guys?
Anonymous
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>>12740040 i like our one idea to have allies you meet as you go through the map. instead of the usual gym leaders befriend you speil. more young people your age in odd areas around the map join your side because you helped them out, or various other reasons. then for the end when you face the cronies you have friends to double battle with. and if implemented you have trainers to fill the blocks of a trainer tournament. (post-post game way to earn big ecp and money. better then route trainers and casino)
Anonymous
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>>12740078 That wasn't utilaterally liked. And it was done during a huge population kill in the project. You are lying to everyone, maybe even yourself, to justify a really boring idea.
As for the rest of the post, you're a real hypocritical douchebag doing exactly the same and it doesn't help that you're leaning on a fabricated mass consensus instead of justifying your own ideas. You're also assuming only one person is disagreeing with you. Which is stupid.
Anonymous
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>>12740051 lust for gold isn't a plot idea, it's a motivation that leads to the plot.
Anonymous
>>12740078 and theres a whole other faction who think Northington should be a co captain of an evil team with some bitch and he lets his pride get the better of him and ends up getting turned to gold.
Anonymous
>>12740107 Why does Fortunei need to be the one the plot is about? If he's so super extra special then why isn't HE the one doing what the player is? He doesn't need fancy powers and connections to godly pokemon or strange spirits. He doesn't need to have such a big, central focus.
HE CAN JUST BE A GUY WITH A CART WHO TELLS YOU SHIT SOMETIMES. So you like the character's look. That doesn't mean he has to be the most important person in the whole country's history!
Anonymous
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>>12740114 Absolutely awful. It is the laziest idea. Complete laziest. It's the go-to idea for every bad book, movie, television series, cartoon, everything. Greedy person, likely european, is a greedy miser. They lose to their greed. Protagonist basically watches.
Woop-de-fucking-doo.
Anonymous
>>12740114 Does it not sound bad to you? I am honestly having trouble understanding why we are even talking about this so much.
Anonymous
Anonymous
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>>12740114 I really like the gold team idea.
Nugget
>>12740191 I'm really not trying to push anything in particular. I just want all the ideas to come to the table.
what better plots are there? besides the fortunei thing, which obviously isn't terribly popular, what is keeping it back so much? it seems like one of the more comprehensive pokemon plots I've played.
what would you have the plot be?
Anonymous
>>12740240 Because problem is that the faggots that want a deeper plot seem to be incapable of drafting one up. Instead they just sit around and bash the most liked one we have at the moment.
Anonymous
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>>12739937 It is post game, where the truth about him would be revealed.
During game he'd sell you useless shit (block a pathway until you bought a Potion for 1000 bucks), lead you to specific areas that you wind up trapped in, or spoiling sneaking in plans.
>>12739958 Hmm. I can warp and distort the grunt until it sounds like a synth doing a grunt.
I'll warp some more stuff for all of them (with Fumighast, I lowered and raised the pitch so it was the same pitch but warped.
Will try and edit it during the week.
Anonymous
>>12740145 I think the were one in the same.
>>12740146 Nobody ever once said that Fortunei is the central focus of the plot.
Anonymous
>>12740255 If you mean overviews, there are plenty on the wiki. If you mean a script that's going to take more than an afternoon. And the gold plot doesn't have that either.
Anonymous
>>12740311 So you saying there's an overview on the wiki that you think is the best plot for our game?
Anonymous
>>12740265 What you're failing to realize is that all this stuff you want him to have and want him to do MAKES HIM the central focus of the plot, whether you outright say it or not. You're always talking about how Fortunei makes this happen in the plotline and does this to the player and that for the player and this and that with the player nowhere around. He does more than the player ever could. He is more than the player could ever be. This is bad. This needs to be spoken out against.
Anonymous
>>12740322 I'm saying we need to be discussing more of them and seeing what we can take from them to make the best plot for our game and stop acting like this one shallow motivation and a pack of boring stereotypes for antagonists is enough to carry us through. We need to be having discussions. So far that fact is all that you and yours have allowed us to talk about and it's going to continue to be that way until you admit that we CAN be doing more and IT IS POSSIBLE to drop unconfirmed characters entirely.
Anonymous
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>>12740360 >>12740322 Seriously. We don't need to be done today. This isn't a black and white decisive moment. It's not THE GOLD PLOT or THE X PLOT, one or the other choose now no backsies. Trying to capture spirits for wealth can be part of it. But it doesn't have to be the end-all and be-all. That's stupid.
Nugget
>>12740360 no one is shutting down new plots. there just hasn't been many ideas put forth.
if you have some, then talk about them
Anonymous
>>12740382 You are insanely delusional if you think those first two sentences are really true.
Anonymous
>>12740021 >"We want money" is something Gamefreak resorted to for their first team out of concern for space on the cartridge. No its a plotline they used because RGB were intended to reflect Satoshi's view of Japan at the time. The region is a clash between nature and civilized society, with the Yakuza controlling all the high stakes businesses such as Casinos and Silph co., and stepping their noses into places they dont belong (Mt. Moon, Pokemon tower)
Anonymous
>>12740337 Listen son, i just wanted him to be a fortuneteller and endgame challenge. Also I will never agree with the design philosophy that the play character must be the most important character in the game's world but I don't feel that Fortunei should be this immortal hero just a strong eccentric trainer.
>>12740360 The problem is that you haven't even attempted to discuss more of them. Instead you just keeping shouting that the one that is posted often here is shit you're part of the problem if not THE problem. It's one idea, you haven't presented another into the thread. I don't give a fuck if you don't like but if it's all people are going to discuss plotwise. PRESENT NEW PLOT IDEAS INTO THE THE THREAD FAGGOT- In case that you didn't understand me.
Nugget
Anonymous
>>12740395 Please show me the new plot ideas that been put forth In these threads.
>>12740406 People can't into subtlety in metaphors on 4chan it has to be blatant or they don't get it. Just look at the way people perceive stories on /co/.
Anonymous
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>>12740408 That design philosophy is what pokemon games are about. A little boy overthrows a national crime syndicate. Children stop the mass kidnapping of a terrorist group. One adventurer reverses cataclysmic terramorphism brought on by ancient gods and their mad cultists. It's always about you intervening with high, high stakes.
Anonymous
The Ramet and BRAZIL plotlines are really really good. They can easily be used to discuss what are probably our shared valures as 4chan users and what we feel about anonymity, the limits of anonymity, and open internet in a way that speaks to 1st Worlders eager to be special but belong in the first case (very easy to touch on what it means to be human too) in the first case or in the second create a big, traditional adventure that can weave in our legendaries very easily and give players of the fangame a nice sense of familiarity and scale. "What if pokemon were real" with some warning against extremism and fascism in all its forms. There's also Team Destinos which has some god damn stakes, unlike the gold plot, and keeps the protagonist in the center of the story without making them the only spoke on the wheel of it and a great sense of advancement from the changes that are made.
Anonymous
>>12740441 I agree. Its stunning how few people get the fact that every region is a yin-yang of one sort or another.
Nature v Civilization, Tradition v. Modernization, Human control over environment v. environment's control over humans, Peace v. Order, Truth (the player, and Ghetsis' corrupted truth) v. Ideals (N and Neo-plasma), and whatever Gen 6 is.
That's the core of a Pokemon story. Two conflicting extremes co-existing to create a world where Humans and Pokemon, themselves conflicting extremes, are equal.
Anonymous
>>12740547 And what do we have in the gold story that does that?
Anonymous
>>12740547 Now let's refine a plot that reflects the two extremes and create interesting characters to support them
>>12740564 Pull your fucking head out of your ass
Nuttypea
"I want Gold" is not a plot, It's a Motivation.
Anonymous
>>12740573 Lay it out for us.
Anonymous
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>>12740599 And they're trying to stretch it into a plot.
Anonymous
>>12740604 Lay what out exactly?
Anonymous
>>12740621 What is the contradiction being explored in this dumb as shit "find the fairy get the gold yip yip im british" plotline with a magical immortal ancient faggot coaching you along on a leash? Where is the conflicting extreme?
Anonymous
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>>12740639 Bullshit vs. Player's Tolerance of course.
Clash !BMy7CLasHA
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I made a doodle of Shibalbat
Anonymous
>>12740639 That wasn't the faggot. I'm going to reiterate one more time for you and buddy, bashing one's plot doesn't do shit for anything it's going to be up survey regardless, that's nature of the fucking project stop wasting your time saying it's shit over and over and over a fucking again and again and create damn good plot that you think should win you unproductive shiteating faggot. I'm tired of going in circles in this thread getting nothing done because obviously detest something.
Anonymous
>>12740688 For all your mad you're not making any coherent points.
Anonymous
>>12740688 the point faggot*, shit I fucked sentence up.
>>12740717 My point is that your not actually doing anything by saying that gold plot sucks when could be doing something by working on another plot and presenting it to thread.
Anonymous
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>>12740730 >your Oh fuck me. I'm tired.
Anonymous
>>12740730 You mean like has already been done?
>>12740535 Anonymous
>>12740740 You think that really cuts it?
Get into to some more details make some images, spark some conversation through effort.
Anonymous
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>>12740688 Is this even English
Anonymous
>>12740759 It takes two to have a conversation. You're not doing your part.
Anonymous
>>12740767 I don't actually what the plot itself is, care to repost?
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>12740802 You didn't actually post the plotine, you just why you think it's great and what it's themes are.
>Team Ramet : (Ramet is a member of a clonal colony, anagram of MEART Project which in the real world created a semibiological computer adaptively learning) Full of amoral scientists and adventure archaeologists, this group of volunteers dress in full costume and forego their names in favor of Aztec-god derived ranked codenames. They believe that the idea of the Self causes all strife in the world and that Selfishness can be destroyed when there is no individual to unfairly prefer. A cult as much as a research group, they travel the region stealing three ancient pieces of a stone mask that in long ago times summoned from the Heavens (outer space) a God of Death (powerful ghostly pokemon). This mask was destroyed by the forgotten ancestors and entrusted to the equally shattered aspects of the God of Life (three powerful and closely linked ghostly pokemon representing the elements of sky, land, and sea from the spirit world) to prevent any calamity or abuse of power. Ramet has created Pokemon life artificially in the vein of Mewtwo in the forms of Man's greatest ages of achievement and uses them to achieve their ultimate end: to reform the mask, resummon the legend of the void, and use its powers to destroy the minds of every single person on Earth to reform into a gestalt hivemind and achieve their dream of peace at the cost of individual consciousness. In the end you may decide to side with them or against them at the last moments -- but only if you capture the Big Boss Space Ghost. Very similar to Curiosus, but likely colder and more clear about the Spirit World and what they want to do with it. Was it that hard?
Anonymous
What if Northington, shamed out of the scientific community over his obsession with the lost city of gold, uses the last bit of his money to fund a personal expedition, along the way he meets up with a wealthy woman and her 3 mooks who offer to help him in his quest. Little does he know that she's secretly after the Gold Idol who's rumored to be there. Northington unwittingly helps Team Evil discover the gold city, at which point they find Xochi running about. Mistaking her for the gold idol, the evil team capture her, causing Quetz to awaken. While you fight the evil team mooks, Fancy woman and Northingtion continue further into the gold city, into a great temple where the gold idol is supposed to live.
Anonymous
>>12740802 That doesnt describe any form of plot.
"But Umm ... we should ... talk about anonymity and 4chan through our game!"
Anonymous
>>12740833 That's not the only thing. I'm talking about what actually fucking matters. We need to know what we're trying to say first.
Anonymous
>>12740837 >The weather spirits will be non plot related, but random encounters like the legendary dogs. No ...
I want the weather spirits to act as punishment towards the evil team for abuse of the land's natural wonders and causing harm to people and land alike through their search. If the golems are artificial and modern, then their use provokes the waifus to lash out and fight them off (indirectly enough that the player has no idea of their involvement until Post-game, when they've calmed down.)
Anonymous
>>12740837 >Northington I'll withhold my judgement
>along the way he meets up with a wealthy woman and her 3 mooks Confidence plumeting
>it is all about the final leg of the game with nothing carrying the middle This is what I was concerned about. It's not enough of a motivation, and not enough of a plot, to carry a whole game.
>>12740843 You don't know the first thing about writing, do you?
Anonymous
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>>12740837 I've no qualms with this.
Anonymous
>>12740866 >I want the weather spirits to act as punishment towards the evil team for abuse then what will Quetz be?
Anonymous
>>12740847 If you want people here to give a damn then you post the plot and talk about how the battles and such go. No one gives a shit about the message.
Anonymous
>>12740833 >>12740837 I think before we start talking about the plot, we need to decide on what we want the plot to do.
It would make it easier.
Do we want to have a message about anonymity? Do we want just a fun adventure with serious stakes at hand involving Latin American culture? Do we want to have a message about developing vs developed nations? Do any of our options create serious problems or force us to change the game itself in ways that wouldn't be fun for the player?
Anonymous
>>12740884 >No one gives a shit about the message If the consensus amongst us is that we don't want a message in a Pokemon game, then that already helps narrow down our possible plotlines.
But we need to come to that consensus first and have some general ideas about what either of those types of plots could be before we try to decide, otherwise great stories from both ends (message vs no message) will be tossed simply because some of us chose that it shouldn't even be considered.
Anonymous
>>12740867 >t's not enough of a motivation, and not enough of a plot, to carry a whole game. His motiviation is that he's looking for the city of gold...
what the problem is is that there's nothing inherently evil about what they're doing, we need to have some bits where the Golem mooks are fucking around in different bioms trying to find clues to the location of the lost city, which causes the Spirit bitches to appear and fuck their shit, and the protag gets caught up in the middle (maybe a gym leader or other NPC convinces him to help take out the Mook)
The Waterspirit/Erace Mook confrontation could fit into the Captain Issac story
The Earth Spirit/Eronz Mook confrontation could fit into the Shaman story
The Wind Spirit/Erindus Mook could fit in the desert or cliff city or something.
Worldwibe !!Ss4pOUddSQJ
As
>>12737930 said, I'll be gone for about 2-3 weeks and I thought I would do one last doodle for you before it,
I saw noone had made an design for past
Hero -Fortuenei, so here you go.
Have a nice summer, I'm eager to see how muc further we have gotten when I get back
Ciao!
Anonymous
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>>12740929 Will you be gone all summer?
Anonymous
>>12740884 You're wrong and also you're an idiot and this explains why I, and others, have been having problems communicating with you. You don't give a shit. Games with stories have messages. This is especially true for pokemon games which are dense with behind the scenes meaning. Now excuse me while I redirect my energy to people who are passionate about the project and want to contribute intelligently to something good.
Anonymous
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>>12740913 It's really just as simple as listing plots and people involved in this project deciding which plot they like the best.
Anonymous
>>12740873 The Quetz, to me, is more of Xochi's guardian and the guardian of the ancient inhabitants of Urobos, not the modern world or the land itself.
>>12740867 Two 28K+ word mini-novels would say otherwise.
Clash !BMy7CLasHA
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>>12740837 I like this.
Could I suggest for like during the game plot development you go around and battle the admins/gold lady mooks or whatever, and battle them and their respective Golem while they are trying to capture the corresponding spirit. I am not really fond of random encounter legendaries though so I would probably put those in specific places being able to capture after you beat the e4. The spirits don't even need to be seen postE4, just that the admins are looking for/trying to capture them. As like the Erion Admin on the OilRig dumping oil into the ocean or something to lure out Yacuma. But you go defeat Admin and stop her plans.
Anonymous
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>>12740941 Actually I do care. I'm trying to tell you how to appeal to the voters and you're not listening. But by all means have fun losing to the gold plot.
Anonymous
>>12740924 So they start deforesting and a bunch of other exploitation of the local resources in search of gold?
I'm fine with that. We should have a spirit for plants/forests.
Anonymous
>>12740975 Earth spirit covers that.
Anonymous
>>12740886 >we need to decide on what we want the plot to do. The message could be about who you chose to be your friends.
if we go with this:
>>12740924 this:
>>12739005 and this:
>>12740837 as character/plot ideas it would illustrate the importance of who you chose to ally yourself with. Northington falls in with underhanded despicable types and ends up turned to gold, the protag sides with those who pokemon and happiness and blabla and ends up victorious.
Anonymous
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>>12740981 >>12740975 The Grass/Ghost legendary.
Anonymous
>>12740886 I don't see how many of those ideas are exclusive. As long as we keep the player important to the proceeding action and keep the game challenging then we're doing the basics great. I would love to see all of those ideas being implemented story-wise.
If the antagonist team is a foreign agency that has replanted itself in the region, someplace highly nationalistic and prideful, then we can explore the influences of developed on the developing, modernism on traditionalism. Even industry against spirituality with the golems and the ghosts if we stick to the idea of the golems as artificial 'mon created by the team to destroy/capture/stall/use the spirits as fuel. Then the team itself could be inserting itself all over and causing the crisises that keep the player moving forward. An influential logger reveals himself with a costume change to be part of the team. Anonymous goons block roads and harass townspeople. Artifacts get stolen and secrets uncovered. It builds up, through a race for ancient artifacts located around the crisises and the ghosts, to the release of Quetz to do ???? and the ultimate intervention of the player.
Anonymous
>>12740982 I like it's power of friendship in a non-shounen anime way.
Anonymous
>>12740953 It doesn't matter how much you write if you did it ass backwards and it's amateur schlock.
Anonymous
>>12740975 In search of gold is a big whogivesafuck. There's literally no reason for the player to get involved. It's a bad motivation and leaves no reason for the legendaries to get involved either.
Anonymous
>>12740996 >>12740982 This isn't too bad an idea, actually....
The "clash" could be something like Co-operation v. manipulation/control. I.e., the player and whomever else gets involved cooperating to prevent Northington/the evil team's hierarchy from causing damage, and them coming to realize they meant nothing to each other, and weren't a true unity. Steps on the toes of
>>12740996 a bit though, the way I described it
Anonymous
Local Moose Friend !isnn/AUU0c
>>12740953 Heh. NaNoWriMo makes you write 50k words and that's only 200 pages...
Anonymous
>>12741019 That is always a theme in pokemon but it's never the whole shebang. Because it's really rather lame and low-stakes.
Anonymous
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>>12740981 I figured Earth would protect the mountains and be against mining.
Anonymous
>>12741033 How is a theme low stakes exactly?
Sketcher
This is what I'll be touching on in the HM survey. First of all, it's important to know that:
Anonymous
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So bad guy has artificial pokemon to search for gold, his company is fucking up natural resources, he pisses of spirits by exploiting nature, final confrontation will be between you and him as he is about to awaken the gold mon.
Anonymous
>>12741003 You're the amateur if you dont know what a FRAMEWORK is.
A plot is something like "Protagonist sets out on adventure for reason a, encountering minions of antagonist a, and accomplishing a goal with other side characters involved.
That was "We should try to emphasize this with the story." I.e., that post was what to build the plot on. The foundation. NOT the plot.
>>12740994 is a plot.
>>12741029 I did say "Mini-novel." They're only 88 pages or so. Novella, I believe the term is, officially.
Im not even published though, so it seems so old-fashioned to call it that. It'd be like Boogie calling his meloetta pictures "Paintings", just because he used the paint brush tool. Not worse quality, but still not the same thing
Anonymous
>>12741018 the search for gold is the motivation that causes the badguys to fuck with nature,
the players involvement with local hero's (leaders, other NPC's) causes him to get involved in stopping the bad guys
it's that simple.
Anonymous
>>12741033 combine it with "don't fuck with nature"
Anonymous
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>>12741051 Seems like it covers things really well.
Anonymous
>>12741064 >>12741060 That's seriously been done to death, though. Even in pokemon games.
Anonymous
>>12741044 I think by "low stakes" they mean "nothing major will happen without the Protag's interference".
Silph wouldve been overtaken if not for Red. TR would have come back, Mahogany town annihilated by Gyarados, if not for Gold. Brandan/May stopped Aqua/Magma from annihilating THE WHOLE HOENN REGION On accident, Lucas/Dawn stopped Cyrus from erasing emotions, and the BW Protags helped keep innocent pokemon from capture and slavery by Team Plasma and prevented Ghetsis' rule over defenseless humans
Anonymous
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>>12741051 >2) If just tools become official, should HMs be undeletable or deletable? why are you even asking this? if tools become official then HM's should automatically be undeletable.
Anonymous
>>12741057 Wasn't that awful anime Sword Art Online a novella?
>>12741051 So autoHms are the ones that don't take up a move slot and to vote against that I should tools and undeletable?
>>12741102 The way he worded souned like he was reffering to theme not plot. I was just making sure.
Anonymous
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>>12741089 then we're on the right track!
Anonymous
>>12741102 >I think by "low stakes" they mean "nothing major will happen without the Protag's interference". if the protag doesn't interfere Quetz and the weather spirits end up wrecking shit and ending the world.
Sketcher
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>>12741121 No, you just need to vote in tools in order to invalidate autoHMs. Whether HMs are deletable or not is a different matter and has a different question.
Anonymous
>>12741089 We throw spirituality into the mix with golems vs spirit legendaries.
Anonymous
>>12741141 Theoretically, as I understand the plot, if they find the lost city of gold, and awaken the Quetz, they get ruend into metal and are lost to eternity, Quetz goes the fuck back to sleep, no one hears of it again.
Anonymous
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>>12741152 nature and spirituality vs. development and technology
Anonymous
AutoHMs is a really good idea imo. It never made sense to me that I couldn't surf on any water pokemon big enough as soon as they trusted me enough as a trainer (got the badge.)
Anonymous
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>>12741182 I really hate it.
Anonymous
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>>12741172 If the protag wasn't around to fight the mooks, the mooks would be free to combat quetz while the lady found the gold idol. Lady would make her escape, Xochi would still be captured, and Quetz would still wreck shit and end the world.
without the protag to help, the Mooks would fuck the shit out of nature.
Anonymous
How about Doucherado is the one pining for gold and we leave the expansive evil team of big adventure and huge stakes to a loftier and riskier goal. Then we can still have someone chasing Xochi and let the legendaries be something more than an easily riled philosopher's stone guardian. That's so damn low tier.
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>12741242 no, please no, please just let Doucherado be a recouring NPC who shows up to battle at annoying times, and ends up taking the place of your main rival... but I could show up at the gold city because "I got a tip that there might be something worth stealing around here"
Anonymous
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>>12741266 fucking sexy as fuck
Clash !BMy7CLasHA
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>>12741266 That is fantastic!
10/10
Anonymous
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>>12741266 He could fuck my bitch.
Anonymous
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>>12741266 You're there, babe.
Anonymous
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>>12741266 I really appreciate that you didn't put pokeballs on the belt actually, it usually makes designs too busy for me.
Local Moose Friend !isnn/AUU0c
Anonymous
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>>12741242 Maybe the evil team is looking for the city of gold for something more sinister, only to find that Doucherado found out about it and got there first, pocketing all the gold and inadvertently foiling their plans?
Anonymous
>>12741311 I was just about to asked if you riked it.
Anonymous
>>12741267 So it's too petty for the boisterous criminal hotshot that dicks you over the whole game but it's just right for the core adventure plot that drives you ever onward? You got things backward. Doucherado needs a reason to keep showing up around where you are. What better way than he's on his own greedy path to the same temple/observatory where Quetz will be summoned/awoken to nab the golden fairy that keeps the holy grounds? That way the fairy is guarding Quetz, not the other way around, and Quetz could actually do something and be worth something and be legitimately dangerous and the evil team could want it for other reasons. Better, loftier, meatier reasons.
Local Moose Friend !isnn/AUU0c
>>12741327 Aww, haha. I do! The onlyissue is he's not facing the player but It's pretty much perfect, I think! It doesn't really distract you that he isnt. Good job!
should i know who that guy in your spoiler pic is? Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
How many votes do you think I should end the surveys at? The OP Image Survey and Multiple Sprites 1 and 2 are all around 60 votes right now.
Nugget
>>12741329 it could also be spun as he's a dick to you while trying to train for the E4 and during a pivotal plot moment, he hears about the gold city and decides to get there before you to one up you in that too?
Anonymous
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>>12741329 >Doucherado needs a reason to keep showing up around where you are. No he doesn't,
He steals your childhood friends pokemon early in the game, which is why you confront him, battle him, and defeat him. He runs away shamed.
Then later he just constantly shows up at bad times (purely coincidental) but then when he sees you he figures he'll battle you in hopes of getting revenge for the initial loss.
He's basically the Janitor from Scrubs.
Local Moose Friend !isnn/AUU0c
>>12741361 Usually around 100, or after (3?) days.
You have a cap of 100, any more won't show up in the results. To find the other x votes, delete the first 100 and then calculate the percentages using the numbers from the last x.
Anonymous
How about Quetz ruled over the ancient lands and made the spirits to protect humans in their formative years? As they spent years worshipping nature, they neglected advancement so Quetz created the Golems in sequence to teach the humans industry. Quetz turned to Xochi to breathe life into his golems. Humans get too advanced and man captures Xochi and forces her to make Eidoll, to satiate his greed. Things get out of hand, quetz locks away Eidoll, uses golems to lock Eidoll away. Then has nature spirits hide the golems and keep nature in balance. Quetz then slumbers until needed again.
Anonymous
Anonymous
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>>12741361 2-3 days or 100 votes, whichever comes first.
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
Local Moose Friend !isnn/AUU0c
>>12741396 Oh! Ok. You know. I have 2 3 and 4, but I can't find the disk for 1 and it feels like cheating to download it but I haven't gotten to play them since I want to do it in order...
Anonymous
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>>12741391 golem's have to be man made, that's what makes them golems.
Clash !BMy7CLasHA
>>12741354 >>12741266 Here are some solutions to that. Although the eyes might need to be touched up in the right picture, I just flipped they eye basically.
Anonymous
>>12741414 Timeline wise it goes 3-1-2-4, play it that way. Trust me.
Anonymous
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>>12741418 flip is better.
Local Moose Friend !isnn/AUU0c
Anonymous
Anonymous
So how can I help with names? Just edit the potential ones in the wikia? Doesn't seem right.
Anonymous
>>12741373 I really like that.
So
an overthrown foreign secret society flees to the region and over a period of many years builds up power and worms its way into local society. They use false identities for their everyday dealings and among their own kind eschew all names and titles, wearing a face-covering uniform with clear ranks. Their ultimate goal is to turn everyone into their ideal: a connected human supermind where one person knows everything every other person knows and all our personalities and thoughts run together like water drops in the ocean, as mad and tumultuous as any one person could be. They believe this will give them, with their superior vision and will, complete power. Everyone will want to follow their ideas once everyone knows them as well as they do. For that end, they're using Quetz, who lore says has god-like power over people and was worshiped in ages past. To get him they need to reform him/his statue shell. Pieces are scattered all over the region and guarded by ancient spirits. To emphasize their obsession with humanity as a whole they create pokemon (ala Mewtwo) that entrap the ghost pokemon guardians to use as energy sources and keep them out of the way during the thefts and reconstruction. This plays havoc on their local ecologies, creating problems for the citizens that the player must solve to proceed.
Anonymous
>>12741504 Propose them here and add them later.
Anonymous
>>12741504 Suggest them to the thread and push them to a survey
Clash !BMy7CLasHA
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>>12741504 Add your names there to Pokemon that currently do not have names or you can add them here:
http://z13.invisionfree.com/Pokemon_Gen_VP/index.php?showtopic=84 Anonymous
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>>12741391 Brety good. But that seems like the wrong role for the golems. This story would be a hell of a backstory uncovered in ruin walls if you care to read them, though. That was be sweet.
Anonymous
Nugget
>>12741523 this seems a little TOO epic for me, but it's still solid. thanks for contributing. I'd love to see all these good ideas more fleshed out.
It will be nice to see the golems and spirits tied into the plot well
Anonymous
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>>12741391 Add
>>12740982 and we're set on the perfect plot
in my opinion Anonymous
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>>12741537 >>12741539 What puts these pokemon names under scrutiny?
I thought Pyroat is pretty clever.
Anonymous
Anonymous
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>>12741391 I still want mah golden waifu.
Skele
>>12741391 A little long, sorry.
Quetz is a Pokemon who inspires humanity to advance. He created the spirits to help humanity learn to harness the elements of nature. he also created he sprite to give humans everything they could want.
Humanity advanced in the Urobs region swiftly and when the humans reached a Bronze age of development they went to war. A group of enterprising humans created Eronze by stealing the heart of Patama. Quetz was enraged by the humans but loved them too much not to stay.
Eventually humanity continued to advance to and industrial age where Urobos was faced with even more war. The decedents of the creator Eronze then created Eiron with the heart of Yacuma. Quetz, ho ha begun to be ignored by the humans hid the spirits and the pixie away and turned to stone to not allow humans to advance further.
Jump to now; the evil team, the decedents of those who created the previous Golems find Machima and using her heart, they create Erace. Their ultimate goal, defeat Quetz and find the golden Pixie.
Nondell !PJ.OdWT5NU
>>12741266 >>12741418 His arm was going through his poncho, I tried to fixed that, also I touched up his feet.
Nugget
>>12741391 I think this is nice and expansive, but the spirits seem as an afterthought. Maybe quetz creates the spirits to watch over human kind and is pissed that the humans created golems in a vain attempt to mime his god-like creative actions, thus having the spirits banish the golems away.
Skele
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>>12741636 forgive the spelling mistakes. Chasing a baby around the house while I write.
Anonymous
Nugget
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>>12741636 lol I was just thinking along these lines
>>12741651 Anonymous
See some plot arguments.
Anonymous
>>12741645 looks a bit shy in his expression
Anonymous
Skele
>>12741666 Ya kind of what I said, I just drew the spirits and Golems in.
Anonymous
sage for not /vp/ related
Anonymous
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Wondering how the gym leader survey is going to pan out when some of them are practically identical.>explorer that uses scubug >explorer that uses glocto >lashy fisher uses soakoth >lashy fisher trains outside
Anonymous
>>12741702 Its already official. Just need to fix the wiki page
>>12741695 And my idea. Watch it pal
Anonymous
>>12741523 Beach recedes more and more when the water spirit is all tied up, severely fucking up the coastal city where the steel gym is. Can't do the steel gym until that's solved. That is where the team is introduced, too, in the town right after the doucherado subplot begins so we have some solid pacing. Proceed onward a couple gyms and you're in the badlands. Furious sandstorms stop you from finding your way out until you make your way into the northern canyons and solve the golem problem with the air spirit. But they get away with the piece yet again. On and on until the jungle, where a logging company has been poaching trees and leaving pokemon homeless much to the fury of the villagers there. Turns out they're Team Whatever scouring the land for the lost caverns where the final piece is.
Maybe the player finds it first and is sent by Mangrove to finish things once and for all?
Then comes all the expected crescendo, the battle with Quetz, and (my favorite part of these prompts) a decision: is the Team doing the right thing the wrong way? Should Quetz be used to turn us the way of the Omar? As a battle slave? Or freed to do its own will from the currently-unreachable farthest corners of the starry sky?
That's a plot that goes places and leaves the player with a sense of grand scale and real effect.
Anonymous
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>>12741695 Yeah, I imagine we're going to end up combining a few things to flesh it out. I hadn't actually read yours yet, just thought I'd throw it out there.
Anonymous
>>12741729 What's the official one? I'll fix it now.
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Go back acdg faggots
Skele
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>>12741729 Excellent Anon, I knew I got it somewhere. I've just kind accepted it as a head cannon.
Nondell !PJ.OdWT5NU
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>>12741683 I didn't change his face.
Nondell !PJ.OdWT5NU
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>>12741697 1.We're already past the bump limit.
2.This is /vp/ related
3.This is a general
Anonymous
You know if post this game on every japanese forum/imageboard once it's finished then we can probably get a decent doujin out if it.
Draik !sgg1MEH.f2
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>>12741645 I really love this. And I do like the fact that he's not looking at you, like he's too good.
Anonymous
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>>12741811 >Sakiushi Urobos >Starring Doucherado-chan >Pengliff is inserted into an orifice I'd read it.
Anonymous
>>12741745 See
>>12741391 This has been around since early in the Our Evil Teams Are Fucked Thread on the forums.
Anonymous
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>>12741850 I think you linked to the wrong post.
Anonymous
>>12741645 really really nice.
But is the left eye abnormally high compared to the right?
Nondell !PJ.OdWT5NU
>>12741890 I didn't make his face, I just changed the poncho and his feet, but I can try to change that if you want.
Anonymous
>>12741811 We should wait until it's not shitty for that.
Anonymous
>>12741951 I did say when it's finished.
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>>12741577 Too epic? No such thing. I mean, in two generations you literally meet and intervene on battles between gods.
Anonymous
>>12741329 So far it looks like he has to be inserted in some way in the pivotal plot point. I'll be going through
>>12740837 's option. We have an option for him to:
>Be the evil underling Sorta contradicts his douche attitude. He is a dick but I think not in malevolent sense.
>Turn out good all along, getting into a truce to save the world etc. Underplays his former role, redemption plot for him will cause shitstorms.
>Be neutral douche The best option.
Xochi's disappearance enraged Quetz. It's natural you go on with saving her. After seeing her fly off and the world saved you go back to the cave where leader attempted to catch the idol. Idol keeps standing there, but when you approach it, her cardboard cutout falls over. Examining it, you see a note about getting mad dosh from Ricardo and thanking you for distraction. Anonymous
>>12741958 It'll probably be a few months more after this general calls it finished before it stops being shitty.
Nondell !PJ.OdWT5NU
>>12741921 I tried something.
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>12741979 I am the poster you are replying to and I agree with your post. I don't like it being about Xochi, but I love the idea that Xochi isn't catchable because Doucherado gets one last "fuck you, PC."
Anonymous
>>12741996 Is it just me or does Doucherado look really girly?
Anonymous
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>>12742015 >>12742024 Not him, but I think its because his hair matches part of the poncho, so it seems like his hair is longer in the back when its not.
Looks fine to me, regardless.
Skele
>>12742009 I think if we made him an actually competent fighter for you to get Xochi.
Anonymous
>>12742009 xochi's the orange one
idol is the gold one.
I guess you can catch'em all but you have to find xochi and you actually ambushing ricardo.
Anonymous
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>>12742049 >...ambushing him to get idol. no iea why I didn't finish.
Anonymous
>>12742049 The gag is too good. Maybe you can run across Doucherado in some random cave you've already been through and he gives you Idol when you beat him one last time.
All his pokemon are level 100 because he spent a bunch of gold on rare candies.
Anonymous
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>>12742049 >catch'em all This close to being b&
Anonymous
>>12742040 Doucherado being anything but annoyingly difficult and good is a crime against his concept. In terms of mechanics and AI, he's probably in the top 3, definitely top 5, best trainers in Urobos, even if he's lower ranked in-universe
Anonymous
So what do we think about the newer plots? More discussion, damnit.
Anonymous
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>>12742077 This is the best option.
Anonymous
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>>12742090 >even if he's lower ranked in-universe tfw
Anonymous
>>12742094 I think the general consensus is
>>12741636 and
>>12741666 >>12741731 With doucherado leaving a cardboard cutout of Idol and you fighting him in some random cave/your hometown to get it.
Gunvarrel !Oq/9NMk1yg
>>12741996 Hmm, I think the eye looked better than before. I think his hat is suppose to be tilted so his face shouldn't line up with it.
Also trying my hand at editing it too wwwwww Anonymous
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We should release an album on the ingame music once we're done. It sounds lovely.
Anonymous
>>12742009 Xochi is one of the more logical choices for the Ditto of our game, being based on a fertility godess.
>inb4 Viipii Isn't Viipii gonna be like uber rare? I heard someone say to give it like a 1% encounter rate worldwide.
Anonymous
>>12742134 >1% worldwide Please no, let's just make it an endgame challenge where you have to be beat 20 really good pokemon or something with no items.
Nondell !PJ.OdWT5NU
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>>12742126 That's fine, whatever people like the most.
His poncho needs to stay like that though.
Anonymous
>>12742122 Think your confusing a list of proposals with a discussion.
Anonymous
>>12742145 >marathon challenge to get Viipii ...
wut?
Anonymous
>>12742122 General consensus? I haven't seen any. And in my opinion Skele's idea about the golem formation is not at all as interesting as the current team creating them out of affection and hubris.
Anonymous
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>>12742150 I thought I was listing the most liked proposals for a discussion.
Anonymous
>>12742134 I thought Xochi was our mew. Do we need a Ditto? Who really ever used Ditto competitively?
Anonymous
>>12742165 Something, anything besides 1% catch rate. I always feel like endgame is the most underdeveloped part of pokemon games so I just threw that out there.
Anonymous
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>>12742185 I think they meant "our ditto" as an "all breeder"
Anonymous
>>12742172 Yeah, I like it better when the golems are recently done and you're facing them mostly untested. It makes the team seem powerful and dangerously ambitious.
Anonymous
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>>12742172 >>12742205 I also prefer them being new, unseen mon.
Anonymous
Anonymous
Was trying to think of new items to reward our extra hard sidequests and give more of a artifact hunter feel.
Anonymous
>>12742234 I'm not sure how we would code such a thing.
Anonymous
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>>12742196 1 was just a random number. But I think that it is super rare but potentially anywhere is a pretty cool idea. Like Audino2.0
Anonymous
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>>12742249 The drop loot or breaking upon fainting?
Fine if we can't, was just thinking out loud.
Gunvarrel !Oq/9NMk1yg
Changes: Moved poncho over slightly since it wasn't matching up with how it was going over the arm, hat shape, leg shading, boots, and the color of the crotch region since it was blending in a bit too much with the shirt.
Anonymous
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I'm actually really intrested if we can keep the voices of characters consistent between multiple writers, has anyone written any lines for the main confirmed characters: Douche, Mangrove, Sequoia?
Anonymous
>>12742185 >competitively? >competitive >no multiplayer Anonymous
>>12742416 In battle. There's more than online competitions, you simpering fuck.
Anonymous
>>12742416 I still hope we get a showdown server.
Anonymous
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>>12742433 When people refer to in-game battles or multiplayer of pokemon games the two common phrases used are "in-game" for in game battles and "competitive" for Multiplayer online battles. Chill the fuck out.
Anonymous
>>12742437 That wouldn't even be hard, would it? We could do that before the main game is even out. As long as we don't have too many custom abilities and moves... I don't think it supports that.........
Anonymous
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>>12742466 Even so it we could just create alternate "showdown sets" for moves and abilities.
Anonymous
>>12742466 >>12742437 To be honest stats are official. Well, everything has them.
I dont see why we can't pester people and try to get one. I dont know if they'd be the right crowd but it would certainly draw some attention to our project from people who are probably not terribly interested in making MORE Pokemon (besides, they'd have to test -those- too.) and know enough about how Pokemon works to be assistance, unlike YouTube's general crowd. Id be emailing people if I knew who
Anonymous
>>12742516 To add; No we dont have all names/sprites finalized but we have placeholders. We could easily use those and just make up dummy sprites for things that dont have the right one. None of them effect the battle system any way, so that should definitely be the first thing on our list once the demo comes out, at least. The sooner the better
Anonymous
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>>12742516 It's not a matter of pestering someone to get one. One of us would have to set up the server first. Holdon I'll link you.
Anonymous
>>12742538 >>12742516 No one really needs approval there are like six on the front page with absolutely no users in it. Here's how to make one
https://github.com/Zarel/Pokemon-Showdown Anonymous
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>>12742516 It would make a good sandbox for testing stat and moveset balances so pokemon are as powerful as we intend them to be and no better.
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>12742685 Looking at this code, people are wholly full of shit when they say Smogon doesn't create judgements and then force the game to conform to them. These ability ratings are proof enough.
On that note I guess we should start tweaking numbers.
Anonymous
>>12742749 I never looked at them. Explain?
Anonymous
>>12742767 It's not really relevant. Let's just split the code up and start moving variables around. How many canonized movesets do we have? I don't think it's very far.
Anonymous
>>12742791 Everything that chen recently edited on the wiki I think is canonized moveswise.
Anonymous
>>12742807 But do all pokemon have a moveset?
Anonymous
>>12742815 Oh ok lemme check.
Anonymous
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>>12742832 >>12742815 Yeah the only thing that isn't done are placeholders for signature moves on the legendaries.
Anonymous
I'll work on /vp/-ifying pokedex.js if no one has any objections.
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>12742846 We might be able to split it up and help your workload. And it looks like new moves and abilities wouldn't be too hard to implement if not too esoteric. It would take a better coder than me to make totally novel abilities and moves.
Anonymous
>>12742877 Splitting it up would be pretty good. I'll take 1-20 and then we'll go from there?
Also, pokedex.js asks for height and weight and we don't have any on the wiki; I'll put placeholder values for now.
Anonymous
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>>12742974 21-40 is me, then.
Anonymous
Man, our stat totals are insanely inflated.
Anonymous
>>12743159 No they aren't. 2/10 i replied
Anonymous
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>>12743250 Compared to gen 3 and up were fine.
there was a power creep since then
Anonymous
>>12743250 We dont have Arcanine or Slaking.
Anonymous
>>12743159 Yeah like
>Turkistador has 515 BST >many other pokemons that look way stronger than Turkistador are weaker than it Anonymous
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>>12743301 why are fumighasts stats so low?
oh wait I know why, the people that made them didn't like him, which they made very clear when they posted them
Anonymous
Another thing I'm noticing is the pokemon seem oddly minmaxed and extremely offensive. I haven't found any walls yet, or awkwardly statted, or underdeveloped pokemon. Some have to be just clearly worse than others. We need more Caterpies.
Anonymous
>>12743266 Dude, half the ones I put in are very nearly Arcanine tier. Including this Ice/Rock penguin.
Anonymous
>>12743263 There's power creep and there's "baby form 40 more than starters"
Anonymous
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>>12743384 That's what showdown testing is good for right? Discovering balance?
Anonymous
>>12743377 This much is true and I yelled at Chen the other day for making YET ANOTHER POKEMON A MIXED SWEEPER BECAUSE EVERYTHING HAS TO HIT HARD Nothing has defense. It's really blatant but no one gives a fuck.
Hence why I thought Squidrift should be this, not fast.
Anonymous
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>>12743458 Yeah, now that you mention it, mixed sweepers are everywhere.
Anonymous
Guys I don't think we should do the battle sim until we get further into the stats. And we need more people doing them. Everyone pick your favorite pokemon and stat it.
Anonymous
>>12743404 >investigates this post > HP: 25 Attack: 70 Defense: 15 Special Attack: 30 Special Defense: 25 Speed: 50 Total: 215 >215 BST is horrib- >Attack: 70 What the fuck, gen /vp/?
>>12743494 Already did a long time ago.
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>12743507 I'm fucking telling you, these stats are insane!
Kirn !ZIX1K1Rn42
ok im awake, back to spritedex
so how does this look? anything else that should be there?
do the colors
>>12738261 easily distinguish their typing?
>>12743494 >Everyone pick your favorite pokemon and stat it. that is exacty the opposite of what we should do
the reason many were complaining is because EVERY pokemon is usable, and everyone wants their favorite to be good
Anonymous
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>>12743548 Nice Job 9/10. What do we do next?
Anonymous
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>>12743548 You're fast, dude. I've got them up to 40, I'll be done after I restat a couple higher up.
Anonymous
>>12743494 >Everyone pick your favorite pokemon and stat it. >that will make them balanced and fair Anonymous
Anonymous
>>12743564 You should stop and do the bases so they can be automatically generated, don't make them part of the sprites. Do a left and right half of every type. Monotypes can just use the left and right of the same type.
Anonymous
>>12743564 Wanna pop these in there for extra obvious?
Anonymous
>>12743250 time to post this
Anonymous
>>12743564 Pyroat is tiny, Floraei is huge
Kirn !ZIX1K1Rn42
>>12743591 see the post i linked
>>12738261 >>12743589 typo, fixed
>>12743599 my idea is that it would look better with out alot of sybols and numbers, that way attention is on the mons
>>12743607 im not the one making the sprites
Anonymous
>>12743604 I know nothing about stats or competitive playing.
Can you do this for sweepers and wimwams and shooting stars?
Anonymous
>>12743615 >im not the one making the sprites Didn't mean to fault you, just meant it should be on our to do list
Nondell !PJ.OdWT5NU
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>>12743458 That works better, high hp suits it.
Anonymous
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>>12743563 If you mean the Greentext, yeah I know. Idiots. I wonder if they base them on anything. When I do statting, I research as many "similar" pokemon as I can think of, present them to the thread and go "whats out of place?". They almost never make it onto the wiki in tact and get distorted to hell but I'm usually fairly satisfied. I like Crawglock's current as much as the Dante Must Die version.
If you mean the picture, thats the idea. The 97 attack is simply an excuse to use bullet punch.
Anonymous
>>12743634 this is just about BSTs of final evolutions. Also what wimwams and shooting star are?
Anonymous
>>12743584 >>12743564 Seriously?
Dopple
HP: 69
Attack: 36
Defense: 50
Special Attack: 40
Special Defense: 55
Speed: 35
Total: 285
Artifish
HP: 115
Attack: 54
Defense: 70
Special Attack: 56
Special Defense: 75
Speed: 25
Total: 395
There you go.
Anonymous
>>12743604 That is inflated as shit. And it's not just the totals. It's the spreads. They are SUPER stacked and there's not many poor pokemon.
Anonymous
>>12743615 You did them the hard way. Shit, dude. Next time just have a left half, right half template and make cover overlays.
Anonymous
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>>12743692 Color overlays*
Anonymous
>>12743686 go tell Gamefrak about that...
Kirn !ZIX1K1Rn42
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>>12743692 ha, thats actually exactly what i did
i had a second image with a layer for each type and then i pasted them over a grid of 11x21
it didnt take THAT long, i was just saying i was tired as hell, also i had to keep checking the wiki and making sure about the typings cus op image has some wrong and there were a lot of these to do
>>12743644 yeah, and i agree its really small
and its probabbly getting redesigned anyway
Anonymous
>>12743723 Gamefreak doesn't make every pokemon a super fragile mixed sweeper.
Anonymous
>>12743677 I honor your restraint, but I think most people will go Marysue apeshit with that kind of authority.
Anonymous
>>12743666 Sweeper is the only thing I know about, because it was mentioned recently. I also know UU stands for something important. Anonymous
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>>12743773 tha image shows only what GF did and what we should do if we want a similar distribution it doesn't show anything about how are the BSTs actually distributed in this game
Dog !StaIqxr34U
The head looked funny... But now the horns are fucked up
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koboldf:{num:25,species:"KoboldF",types:["Dark","Fire"],baseStats:{hp:80,atk:115,def:50,spa:55,spd:60,spe:100},abilities:{0:"Hustle",DW:"Guts"},heightm:0.4,weightkg:6,color:"Black",prevo:"kobold",evoLevel:1,eggGroups:["No Eggs"]},
Anonymous
>>12743787 i played a few time on showdown so i know about tiers sweepers wall and supports but never heard the two you listed
Anonymous
>>12743677 Artifish should have crazy high Attack stats. Like Boufallant or Druddigon. Likewise, Doppole should hit a lot harder than you'd expect.
Trying to fix the vials, if you think they're broken.
They are No my stats arent great but give me a random mon to "fix" up and i'll get on it.
Anonymous
So here's my opinion on the Evil Team plot, I cleaned up the plot lines a bit, made it more understandable...
Anonymous
>>12743838 Artifish has all the wrong typing cues for its look, status and stat manipulators, and the ability Prankster. It's fat and jolly and has small, blunt claws. There is NO reason it should be anything but a slow, bulky normal type that laughs through the assaults of only the strongest twenty percent of attackers or basically any fighting type 2HKO.
Anonymous
So glass cannons are the new 480?
Anonymous
>>12743677 i always imagined Doppole as quick and scrappy, but ultimately harmless.
while artifish was slow and lumbering but can take a hit.
Anonymous
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>>12743838 >Trying to fix the vials, if you think they're broken >Vials >Broken Cheeky cunt ain't ya.
Anonymous
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>>12743838 if it aint broke, don't fix it.
Anonymous
>>12743876 It's boring and means nothing. This shit about the gold lady and the admins and Northington is just monumentally shallow and includes the legendaries in a hamfisted way, mischaracterizes Mangrove to make him more important and involved than the player (two mistakes in one change), and it's just
it's just not really any good compared to what we could have.
Want money get money PC watches NPCs discover and do everything is bad fanfiction. It's not a good basis for a game plot.
Anonymous
>>12743885 Maybe instead of trying to dismiss critiques as buzzwords you could recognize that their wide concern is cause for change.
Anonymous
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>>12743911 If we give Doppole quick attack and some annoyances, Prankster Doppoles will be fast but ultimately harmless and Artifish will still be effective walls. Notice how Doppole is still faster than its evolution by base.
Anonymous
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>>12743831 That's because I was just making up words to show my ignorance. "Wigwams" was used by Chandler Being in a similar situation and Shooting Stars are from Lucky Charms.
Anonymous
>>12743876 There's no need to shove every single legendary in the plot.
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>>12743960 I'm agreeing with you bud.
480 was a legitimate problem at the time, and so is the sweeper thing now
Anonymous
>>12743878 >>12743776 Stat pokemon you hate? I cant save any pictures of this line without making fun of
Doppole Anonymous
>>12744021 I don't think I agree with the high attack and low defense interpretations. We're trying to diversify the types of pokemon and artifish has a good case for being a weakish wall.
Anonymous
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>>12743604 Think this might be the best way to go. Or at least to start.
capcha: inuemu solution
Anonymous
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>>12744042 70 attack isnt high and its HP is fuckhuge because its body is fat.
Dont make me make it Chansey. Doppole is already literally Rattata without quite as much "Gen 1"
Anonymous
>>12743949 Please elaborate and explain how I made Northington any more important than Maxie,
And I didn't mischaracterize him, I just gave an alternate character interpretation.
And please tell me how you would incorporate 9 legendaries into a plot critical storyline.
Anonymous
Fumeghast redesign needs coloring
Anonymous
>>12743995 That's what people want, Every time someone suggests a plot that doesn't include one of the legends other people complain. Personally I would cut the Spirits out completely.
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>12744057 I typed Mangrove. Who is official down to the core. And other plotlines in this thread have done that.
Anonymous
>>12744021 >>12744042 Here you go.
>>12744060 No it doesnt someone colored this
Anonymous
>>12744069 The fairies are brief encounters and tangential to the plot. Quetz HAS to be in. The golems are like the birds. The spirits are in, in, in. Deal with it.
Anonymous
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>>12744057 >how you would incorporate 9 legendaries into a plot critical storyline I think most people wouldn't
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>>12743813 Can you make it bigger Dog? I hate how little it is
Anonymous
>>12744083 Why does Artifish have so much stats
Anonymous
>>12744107 Just going by the wiki BSTs. Feel free to suggest a smaller total
Anonymous
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>>12744088 >Deal with it. Guess I missed the part where this proposal became official.
Anonymous
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>>12743813 Yeah, can you fix some proportions so the starters grow evenly?
see
>>12743564 Anonymous
>>12744057 >>12743876 From the way you spell so many words incorrectly and the sloppy, angry way you try to express ideas I'm afraid that you are a drooling moron. I'm sorry, anonymous. It's terminal.
Anonymous
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>>12744075 explain how I made mangrove any more important than Lance? and please explain how I mischaracterized him when his bio includes (and now I'm directly quoting from the wiki) "Professor Mangrove came to the region to study the ancient temples and relics... The professor is still as adventurous as ever, but he simply isn't as young as he used to be."
Anonymous
>>12744070 Muey Beuno.
Wanna lighten the shell like it isn't completely developed yet? Darker than 1st stage but lighter than 3rd stage.
Think this design is sooooo much better though.
Anonymous
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>>12744088 source for that fact?
Anonymous
>>12744132 I'm not that guy but god, you're a pretentious dick.
Anonymous
OBVIOUSLY WE NEED A VOTE ON WHAT LEGENDARIES SHOULD BE PLOT CRITICAL BEFORE WE CONTINUE.
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>12744155 I will fucking murder you. You're not as anonymous as you think.
Anonymous
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>>12744132 but... I was using spell check.
Anonymous
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>>12744159 Oh! I know the response to this one! You're a faggot.
Anonymous
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>>12744132 >asked to elaborate your criticism >insult his intelligence and resort to lazy trolling We're getting stuff done here, but people like you are the reason we aren't doing more.
Anonymous
>>12744115 Fixed it to be 1) more cohesive with Doppole's stats but still not enough bulk.
Anonymous
>>12744155 Golems show up with the spirits. You have to knock out the Golems to be able to randomly find the spirits in their zones legendary dog style. Capturing the golems means no spirits. The dragons are pseudolegends and are found by special encounter after solving side quest puzzles in very limited portions of the map, lategame. The fairies are post-game content. That leaves Quetz, who has to always show up at the end because he's the mascot.
SHIT'S EASY, YOU'RE WELCOME.
Anonymous
>>12744190 >a fat fish with legs >80 speed Nah.
Anonymous
>>12744196 >No full completion Good job missing the entire point of pokemon faggot.
Anonymous
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>>12744196 >Capturing the golems means no spirits wait, what? How in the world could that be a good idea.
Catch em all motherfucker.
Anonymous
>>12744203 it only looks like a fish.
Anonymous
>>12744205 There is not a single pokemon game where you can catch all the pokemon. Good job missing the real point of pokemon, superfaggot.
Anonymous
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>>12744212 It is fish shaped and on land. It's not going to be fast. It's fat as hell, with tiny limbs. IT IS NOT GOING TO BE FAST.
Anonymous
>>12744196 Quetz and Xochi are mythologically connected IRL and should therefore be connected within the games plot.
Anonymous
>>12744212 And fish are usually fast as fuck in Pokemon.
Anonymous
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>>12744155 >mfw that might actually help. Anonymous
>>12744213 So you're saying that there isn't a pokemon game where it's possible to catch every pokemon in that generation. Are you actually going to stick that ?
Anonymous
>>12744213 because real games have multiple versions over which you can trade, our game has no trades, so you can't complete it unless every mon is catchable. you're an idiot.
Anonymous
>>12744213 Because they're centered around trading, which we can't do. We dont have two versions, so if one person cannot get every single one, NO BODY can. Ever.
Anonymous
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>>12744231 Right. So resolving the Quetz plot makes Xochi's sidequest encounterable. That cuts down on the amount of legends you have to fit into the plot AND keeps their mythological links intact. Which is why golem/ghost is either/or, which ALSO fits into how pokemon games work since they aren't perfect catch games.
Anonymous
>>12744235 And we finally come to the crux - the last version. No more stat revisions.
Anonymous
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>>12744248 >>12744250 If Pokemon MMO can do it, we can.
Anonymous
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>>12744247 From the wild? You go ahead and point to one where you can catch every single pokemon in one game.
Anonymous
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>>12744213 It's sounds dumb on paper, but might be a good replacement for not having two version.
But the whole partially available was always to encourage trading, which I kind of doubt we'll be able to do.
Anonymous
We could have it so if you release the golems you can catch the ghosts. That STILL cuts down on the usable/encounterable legendaries in the plotline of the game and fits with their contradictory mythos I think most people have already agreed on.
Anonymous
>>12744247 Dude, you're on the loosing side.
Anonymous
>>12744286 SO WE MAKE TWO VERSIONS RIGHT? RIGHT?
Anonymous
>>12744286 Dude just cut it out.
See
>>12744250 >if one person cannot get every single one, NO BODY can. Ever. Anonymous
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>>12744285 this sounds terrible.
Anonymous
>>12744285 No. You catch and keep them all. This has been decided upon since day one. The only argument was when you would get the starters. You catch them all.
Anonymous
>>12744285 Pretty sure the beef is about pulling a Spiderman3 and shoving two many characters into the main plot. No one is calling for less mon to be catchable. Dudes can be in game and just not part of the main quest.
Anonymous
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>>12744304 You don't understand how dense people can be when they think know better than you.
Anonymous
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>>12744301 >>12744304 >getting anons confused I'm just saying that there isn't a pokemon game where it's possible to catch every pokemon in that generation.
I'm not encouraging an incompletable dex for our game.
Anonymous
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>>12744325 That a picture for Thoraxes, son?
Are people still working on the pokedex.js? I'd be happy to help if there's a short tutorial on how to make it.
Anonymous
>>12744325 and the counter point to that argument is that there's always someone who complains when any legend is left out of the main quest, so we should do like
>>12744155 said and have a vote, once and for all, about what specific legendaries will be plot critical, and what ones will be sidequests.
Also, fore everyone else buthurt over the evilteam being in search of gold, please get it through your fat heads that "QUEST FOR GOLD" is not a "PLOT", it's a "MOTIVATION THAT DRIVES THE PLOT" it's every bit as interesting as "LUST FOR POWER", "DISLIKE OF ANIMAL CRUELTY" and "HATRED OF SLOWPOKE TAILS"
Anonymous
>>12744379 Pretty sure that one was a "LOVE OF SLOWPOKE TAILS"
I actually agree about a vote. I just think making mon unobtainable solves neither problem, but just creates one.
Anonymous
>>12744439 if team rocket loved slowpoke tails so much, why did they sell them?
Anonymous
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>>12744485 If love something you let it go for a price, goyim. If it comes back it is truly yours.
Anonymous
>>12744485 I meant "love" in another way.
Anonymous
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>>12744318 Since when the hell do we get the starters? Catch them all doesn't have shit to do with keep them all, anyway.
Anonymous
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>>12744540 Sharing is caring. Team rocket was just missunderstoood
Draik !sgg1MEH.f2
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>>12744537 B-but magikarp is mostly bone!
Anonymous
>>12744379 WANT MONEY GET MONEY is just really stupid as a motivation. And it was already what team rocket did. It's a shitty rehash and makes a shitty plot. It doesn't make you a hero to stop them, it makes you a corporate heel.
Anonymous
>>12744318 We Pokemon Yellow now.
But who will be our first starter?
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>>12744561 >Since when the hell do we get the starters? post game
>Catch them all doesn't have shit to do with keep them all, anyway. there has never been a game that required you to release your mons in order to catch another.
And I hope you're not suggesting we trade legendarily for one another.
>Team Evil Admin:"I spent all my life developing the technology to create Eronz... but I'll trade you for your sexy Patama" Anonymous
>>12744614 >WANT MONEY GET MONEY is just really stupid as a motivation. tell that to the majority of the world.
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>>12744617 we've always been planing to have all starters available, you get your first one at the beginning like normal, and the second two are encounterable in the wild postgame.
Anonymous
>>12744379 You dumb shit, evilteam being JUST in search of gold creates a shallow, boring ass plot. What do they do to fulfill that goal?
>Steal and exploit businesses and plunder a tomb I guess. What happens if they succeed?
>They get money and some other pokemon gets mad. >But you can just fight that pokemon, I guess. What happens if they don't succeed?
>They make a little less money. There's no fucking stakes. It might as well not exist. Your blinders are incredible.
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>>12744632 Most people would agree it's a stupid, shallow, common motivation that creates stupid, shallow, common stories.
Anonymous
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>>12744614 it's a different plot with the same motivation. Team rocket wasn't destroying nature, they were abusing pokemon.
Team Magma/Aqua were abusing nature, but they weren't motivated by Money.
Anonymous
>>12744614 People need to stop being so bone headed about this.
There are a thousand ways to go about it. They could easily after money at the expense of the rest of the world or the balance of nature or the survival of humanity itself.
We didn't vote on making them Scrooge Mcduck.
I don't think I've even heard a proposal where a big paycheck was the full extent of their machinations.
Anonymous
>>12744652 If they succeed, an angry god destroys half the continent. If they don't succeed, they get exposed as greedy corporate slobs who caused all the destruction and get sentenced to several consecutive life sentences and huge fines to repay the damage
Anonymous
>>12744652 you HAVE to fight the evil team in order to get back what ever they stole that made the POKEMON angry, you can't 'just fight the pokemon'
Anonymous
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>>12744652 >overly ambitious materialism can have no real consequences. Tell that to the rainforest, the global economy, Abu, and the Ozone layer.
Anonymous
>>12744687 Any plot could have that stake. Including much more interesting ones that fucking say something.
>>12744691 You literally just fight Quetz. That's what happens in every gold plot so far.
>>12744683 You want to show one of those? Because no one has so far. It's been Scrooge McDuck, but much shittier because at least Scrooge McDuck was about the spirit of adventure and redemption of family.
Anonymous
What's the name of Musberry's evo?
Anonymous
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>>12744801 in the most recent plot, Mangrove fights Quetz while you're free to follow Northington and the Gold Lady.
Anonymous
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>>12744810 He doesn't have one. Make one up.
Anonymous
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>>12744801 Wait
So
Did you miss the parts where we said they destroy rainforests, pollute the oceans, and umm .. anger a desert thing, searching for the
veiled Pebbles that open the door to El Dorado?
Anonymous
>>12744057 >And please tell me how you would incorporate 9 legendaries into a plot critical storyline. You dont.
Anonymous
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>>12744801 see
>>12741666 But yeah, I guess I haven't seen that many proposals so there very well could be a pile of dumb shallow ones.
Anonymous
>>12744265 No, fuck that. Doppole should be fast as fuck but weak as shit while artifish should be slow and bulky.
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>12744265 But that's wrong, you fucking retard.
Anonymous
>>12744841 >They should be complete opposites of each other I tried that.
They should be two fucking pokemon. Not evolutions. Doppole's concept is spoiled by Doppole. Anonymous
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>>12744801 >at least Scrooge McDuck was about the spirit of adventure and redemption of family. I've disagreed with every single position you have taken.
But I think we just became best friends.
Anonymous
>>12744841 >They should be complete opposites of each other I tried that.
They should be two fucking pokemon. Not evolutions. Artifish's concept is spoiled by Doppole. >>12744850 Never said that was official. Im just done with it.
Anonymous
I'm getting real pissed at anons demanding others do all the work for them and ignoring it when it's produced. I'm getting REAL pissed at anons who demand surveys to shut down discussion, knowing full well that surveys are meaningless if people don't talk about what they think and why they think it first.
Anonymous
>>12744858 >I tried that. They should be two fucking pokemon. Not evolutions. Artifish's concept is spoiled by Doppole. Agreed. Artifish was my favorite of the pokemon I designed that got accepted and the baby form stole all its thunder right before they redrew and dumbed down my bro. It was intended to be a standalone pokemon.
Anonymous
>>12744864 Got anything you want me to do? By that I mean fix some stats if you have issue with any.
Anonymous
>>12744851 Why not just ratata -> ratticate
They're pretty comparable right?
spoken from a stats layman Anonymous
>>12744876 Ive brought this up a million times and I think you have before as well.
Shame that I'm the only one complaining about it, besides the person who designed the Pokemon in the first place. But nope, Doppole became a meme so no one wants to touch it, only praise
Anonymous
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>>12744892 Doppole's stat spread literally is Rattata. Artifish's is tweaked with about four hundred times until it didn't suck, and satisfied as much critique as I could handle
Anonymous
Anonymous
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>>12744864 A survey to settle what legends to include in the plot sounds pretty resonable to me at least in theory because it would at least settle the point.
But that's what I thought about the gym size survey and that went nowhere.
Anonymous
>>12744880 Not that guy but try fixing some of the major offenders I guess
>>12744893 No people genuinely like Doppole so people don't to change it. I've said this before and you refuse to believe it. So be it.
Nothings stopping from drawing and proposing a new Artifish closer to your old one anyways.
Anonymous
>>12744934 Care to link the google doc that has the stat spreadsheet?
Anonymous
>>12744934 >poking an angry bear Anonymous
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>>12744880 Find some candidates for walls and early game monsters that have mostly physical attacks to give good special stats to instead. We need other strategies and suckier monsters.
Anonymous
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>>12744934 >No, people genuinely like Doppole so people don't to change it. I'm sure plenty of people genuinely love it.
But the fact is most of the time someone says something about him they respond with
>u wot m8 how bout i hook u in the gabber i swer on me mum Which doesnt even make sense.
Anonymous
>>12744948 But Berratel is a Badger
That argument went on for hours >>12744945 Hold on a bit.
Anonymous
>>12744980 Oh god that berratel argument was the worst thing ever.
Anonymous
>>12744934 Man, I have already drawn compromise Artifish closer to the original meanings and design purposes. They get mocked when they aren't ignored. The whole thing is clearly out of my hands to influence and it's just.. a damn shame. That's all. I'll look at it when playing the game, catch it for the pokedex entry, and release it with a heavy heart filled with what could have been. Artifish is a featureless Happy Meal toy now and that's just the way it is.
Anonymous
>>12744945 this?
https://docs .google.com /spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ao8BWi16qUvPdEJhRmlOelY1c3Z5V2ZjMkpPZnBYQVE
Anonymous
Anonymous
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>>12745032 Oh they have a chat in there too, That's useful.
Dog !StaIqxr34U
Anonymous
>>12745023 >>12745032 why is the fumighast line's bst so low compared to the other 3 stage mons, especially at the level it evolves at
Draik !sgg1MEH.f2
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>>12745100 horns should be less vertical. maybe the jawline should be more pronounced.
Anonymous
Anonymous
How do you guys feel about changing Dreamdery into a Sp Def focused mon?
Anonymous
>>12744990 What is his name based on anyway?
Newishfag here
Anonymous
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>>12745185 Berry+Ratel (honey badger)
It's based off the honey badger which are gluttonous and eat everything they want and dont give a fuck what gets in their way.
Nondell !PJ.OdWT5NU
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>>12745100 Fix the horns and you're golden, also can you do a side by side comparison to the kidling sprite?
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>12745100 He's not confirmed yet Anonymous
>>12745181 >Special Defense: 93 If you want Special bulk, look at Tengela and Gothitelle.
Nondell !PJ.OdWT5NU
>>12745181 That's fine, it would make it a better counterpart to Macabra, I'd give it at least 10 more defense.
Anonymous
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>>12745105 Literally because the person who statted it hated the drawings. That's it.
Anonymous
>>12745100 whatever happened to
DO NOT SPRITE UNAPROVED DESIGNS
Anonymous
>>12745240 Not every stat has to be divisible by 5. It usually is, but not always.
>If you want Special bulk, look at Tengela and Gothitelle. See, that doesnt help at all in choosing which mons to give special bulk. There isn't a defining factor for them like HP's large bodies or Defense's hard skin/shells.
>>12745249 HP: 80
Attack: 45
Defense: 75
Special Attack: 80
Special Defense: 93
Speed: 65
Total: 438
Anonymous
>>12745293 No im saying 93 isn't enough. Gothitelle is Special Defense: The Pokemon.
IF YOU DONT KNOW WHAT A STAT IS USUALLY LIKE ON AVERAGE, BULBAPEDIA LISTS POKEMON IN ORDER OF BASE STATS
Anonymous
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>>12745323 ah, ok. I was trying to keep it weak since we were talking about the power creep earlier.
Draik !sgg1MEH.f2
Anonymous
>>12745365 >quickmeme Step up senpai
Nondell !PJ.OdWT5NU
>>12745269 Flairees is typically the focal point for the line, I don't think anyone has a problem with the first two.
Anonymous
>>12745365 that reply, though funny, does not make spriting an unproved design helpful
you should focus on something else
>implying im being any more helpful Anonymous
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>>12745403 When the shoe fits
Anonymous
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>>12745323 HP: 70
Attack: 45
Defense: 75
Special Attack: 80
Special Defense: 100
Speed: 65
Total: 435
Raised its sp def to 100, dropped its hp to compensate. It's a small mon anyway.
Anonymous
Are you guys aware that Pebblosa's final evo has 533 stat total?
Anonymous
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>>12745100 work on rainbow dragon if you're so eager to sprite.
Anonymous
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>>12745435 it evolves pretty late
Anonymous
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>>12745435 That's Aggron level. Seems OK to me.
Anonymous
>>12745413 no one has a problem with it
but it will probably be changed to match the evo a bit more
Dog !StaIqxr34U
>>12745235 >>12745269 But the sprite was there, and I think it's really just flairees that needs to be redesigned...
Draik !sgg1MEH.f2
Trees are hard... anyhow, here's where I'm headed. Small squiggles are grass, bigger ones are trees.
>>12745403 lol, i just googled it.
>>12745419 yeah, you do have a valid point, but this
>>12745413 is also true.
Anonymous
>>12745528 C'mon son I told you about the centers and marts
Anonymous
I totally forgot, people only pay attention to things when theyre in images
Anonymous
>>12745509 this
>>12745504 also just because someone made a sprite they shouldnt have doesnt mean we should finish it
no ones mad at you, you are just wasting your own time and effort
Anonymous
>>12745574 it helps if i post it though
Anonymous
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>>12745574 that is true
but most of us dont know shit about stats
so i just let everyone else figure it out while i work with art and sprites
Anonymous
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>>12737930 Forgot the Route 120 remix and you have the old version of
http://snd.sc/198hh0S as well.
Local Moose Friend !isnn/AUU0c
>>12745584 Dreamdery has a stat set already, though.
HP: 70
Attack: 80
Defense: 75
Special Attack: 85
Special Defense: 75
Speed: 65
Total: 450
Anonymous
>>12745584 Raise either if not both special stats by a total of 15, and drop defense.
>>12745605 And we're fixing it. Everything has stats, but most all of them are terrible. Like we were saying, >80 attack on that tiny sheep
Whats hypno's attack stat? Though Drowzee's seems more fitting
Draik !sgg1MEH.f2
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>>12745563 I know i know, i just havent put them in the tileset et, ive been asleep all day
Anonymous
>>12745605 i know. And i'm proposing a new one.
Anonymous
>>12745605 The moose is Loose!
Local Moose Friend !isnn/AUU0c
>>12745626 That's fine. But keep in mind the Aoao should have a similar BST. It's already overpowering the sheep to an unfair level.
>>12745629 I've been here alll daeeee.
Anonymous
>>12745509 Even if it's true, it may be decided to change the prevos
Though personally I think they should stay as-is, since many starters change colors but outs so far don't.
Anonymous
im gonna try mapping the downwards cave
Nondell !PJ.OdWT5NU
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>>12745504 >>12745509 Can we just give it a gorget and call it a day?
Dog !StaIqxr34U
>>12745581 Eh, whatever. I have nothing else to be doing.
Anonymous
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>>12745645 Are people still compiling the pokedex.js?
Anonymous
>>12745620 I think 15 might be too much for the sp attack.
Was a little reluctant to raise its spdef higher than gothitelle's but fuck it. Doesn't seem to be too bad.
>>12745643 We can always adjust Macabara's stats. And isn't it supposed to overpower it? it's kind of Dreamdery's natural preditor.
Anonymous
>>12745661 Burrmudail sprite?
Anonymous
Did some of my own number crunches because I don't know stating.
This is the total number of Mons from each EV (meaning their highest stats
right? ) and then the percent put into each catagory.
Source
http://pokemondb.net and my own counting before I realized
http://pokemondb.net spoonfeeds you the goddam numbers anyway.
So if we use this for a base we should have more or less 12% with HP a best stat etc, not including overlap.
Perhaps use this for EV amounts first then extrapolate.
Is this info of any halp??
>inb4 756 total >there is overlap. Local Moose Friend !isnn/AUU0c
>>12745680 yes, but i mean it shouldn't be 500 or something. It already has soundproof and if dark type. It almost has an immunity against it. Being 5-10 higher is fine, but it shoulnd't be WAAY higher! Heatmor and Durant both have 484.
DashingHero !!jDn6qImItZZ
Guys I did it
Draik !sgg1MEH.f2
>>12745646 thread about it here
http://z13.invisionfree.com/Pokemon_Gen_VP/index.php?showtopic=113 It connects the Coal town to route 3. Its not that long, and thats about it. Looks like it spurs from the side of the coal town and not directly under it.
Anonymous
>>12745605 Moose please kill yourself and stop posting. :)
Anonymous
>>12745700 Reminds me
Retcon Dreamdery into putting people into sleep comas (counting sheep) instead of feeding on dreams (Drowsee's shtick)
Just talking lore wise.
Anonymous
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>>12745700 funny you bring up heatmor and durant because theyre a legitimate
gamefreak mistake But that's besides the point. You're right, counterparts should have the same total.
I gotta sleep now, i'll make a spread for it tomorrow and post em together.
Maybe even adjust their movepools as well.
So far people feel semi-ok with that spread though and making it more sp def focused?
Anonymous
>>12745690 >EV (meaning their highest stats right?) EVs are usually a mon's most notable stat. Ponyta is known for its Speed. Azumarill has Huge Power, Golem is known for its Defense, Shedinja is known for its
HP Yes, it gives an HP EV Anonymous
>>12745718 >dem identical blacks Local Moose Friend !isnn/AUU0c
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>>12745723 No thank you.
I was only pointing it out for reference, anyway. I'm not opposed to a new set at all.
>>12745725 Well, that was sort of Darkrai's thing unless you had a Lunar Wing...
Anonymous
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>>12745736 >Shedinja is known for its HPYes, it gives an HP EV ahaha fucking Gamefreak.
Anonymous
>>12745690 have a question. do we have to set the resistance and effectiveness tables for each one?
DashingHero !!jDn6qImItZZ
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>>12745718 Also, this best work, I'll admit, but hopefully I AT LEAST made it easier to fix up.
Anonymous
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>>12745690 >192 attack >86 sp. defense No bias here, guys. Nope.
Draik !sgg1MEH.f2
>>12745718 the crotch looks a little rough, but otherwise, Great Job
>>12745739 but they aren't look closer
Anonymous
>>12745720 oh it looks like people are already working on it...
if our ideas clash then we can vote between or try to combine
Anonymous
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>>12745750 meaning our legendaries.
DashingHero !!jDn6qImItZZ
>>12745739 There were a lot on the original.
Plus, 16 colors is a lot more limiting than it seems at first...
Gunvarrel !Oq/9NMk1yg
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>>12745100 Dooooog, you should upload your sprites onto the wiki!!! You've only put up one and you've made at least 3 other almost-ready sprites since then!
pic super unrelated I just got kind of excited since I forgot I had it Draik !sgg1MEH.f2
>>12745757 Thats what we do, They'll be put to a survey pretty soon, So go for it. But if you wanna work on either waterfall cave(which we have one of already) The coal town or the coal mine it'd be even better, considering those are up for survey first.
We have no valid coal towns, because the two designs we have so far were surveyed before and neither reached 66%.
DashingHero !!jDn6qImItZZ
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>>12745756 I'm playing around with colors a bit more to see if I can make that any better.
Local Moose Friend !isnn/AUU0c
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The confirmation survey will be ending soon/later tonight!
Anonymous
>>12745804 well at the top it said it hadent even been mapped
and i really want a demo out
Anonymous
>>12745718 Looks like you missed adding a brown to your list. But here is a trick I use (sorry if you don't have photoshop
Anonymous
>>12745756 >but they aren't look closer I'm saying if they were the same that would be one less color to worry about. If you have to look closer just to see it then why have it at all?
>>12745772 Sorry, I didn't mean to make fun. It's a hard game I've played as well. I was the guy that downsized the rainbow dragon.
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
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Anyone have any sprites that they want included in Part 4 of the multiple sprites survey?
Gunvarrel !Oq/9NMk1yg
>>12745718 I really hate to be that guy, but isn't the sprite overall way too big? Dog !StaIqxr34U
>>12745682 I don't think that would turn out too well... Even though I love birds probably too much I'm shit at drawing them...
Anonymous
>>12745883 less nauseating berratel?
Anonymous
The heights and weights will have to be done again later.
http://pastebin.com/pywyVHmY Draik !sgg1MEH.f2
>>12745823 yeah thats not super up to date. And you can map whatever, but Waterfall cave, The Coal Town, and the Coal mine are being surveyed in two weeks to be in the demo. Downward cave, Route two and the ice town are going to be surveyed after that. So if you have an idea, get it out, but the point is, you got more time to work on that.
DashingHero !!jDn6qImItZZ
>>12745718 I think I've softened up the crotch/jumpsuit in general, which looks better?
To make the blue outline color, I took out of of the dark greys.
Anonymous
>>12745929 give it a bigger crotch.
Maybe a
big ol monkey dick. Anonymous
>>12745911 Oh, the next set of the Showdown server pokedex rewrites. Thanks!
Anonymous
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>>12745936 You mispelled donkey
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
>Confirmed designs without any sprites on the wiki:
Anonymous
>>12745958 what happened to that great Solacari sprite that popped up a few weeks ago?
DashingHero !!jDn6qImItZZ
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>>12745829 Nah, my PS trial expired forever ago because I didn't use the crack/patch right, and I'm too lazy to do it right.
>>12745857 I don't see it that way at all, I just meant it is a very blunt statement: the original had balls-tons of greys/blacks.
>>12745879 Dunno, didn't check. The main problem was the color palette. I just kind of applied the color palette I threw together to the sprite I threw together, I'm just kind of hoping it can be used as some sort of rough guide for someone who CAN sprite.
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
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>>12745958 And Lavoon.
>>12745976 I don't know. Whatever happened to it, its not on the wiki.
Anonymous
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>>12745929 can you that bit of shading on its belly less weird looking?
Anonymous
>>12745883 Ive just started developing a harpy fetish too ...
Dog !StaIqxr34U
>>12745901 Was it the face?
DashingHero !!jDn6qImItZZ
>>12745879 Looks fine to me, on second check, considering it's a 2-stage line.
Anonymous
>>12745999 Play The Witcher 2 it'l kill your harpy boner
Anonymous
>>12745929 You had a few extra colors you weren't counting.
Like the eyebrow, the shoulder, a bit of the tail, and the knuckle shadows.
Here is my two cents.
Anonymous
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>>12746026 >Kill it Nope. I like them more now.
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
>>12746020 Judging by the comments in the sprite survey its the pose and the eye.
Anonymous
>>12745941 Getting ready to wrek people in gen /vp/ showdown.
Dog !StaIqxr34U
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>>12745999 Vulture husbando Anonymous
>>12746045 What the hell is wrong the pose. Jesus it actually has personality don't take it away.
Anonymous
>>12746020 I just find the whole sticky sloppy eating more gross than appealing or endearing.
Anonymous
>>12745999 *cough* pic related *cough*
>>12745918 i dont care if my design gets in... are people trying to meet deadlines so it will be their design that gets in
we need to prioritize getting shit done
and if i do a downwards cave map now, why wait to survey it? if its great then use it, if its not, it wont get in and someone else can make one better
youre telling me to redo work thats already been done? even advising i do that rather than do work that hasnt?
im not trying to a pick fight, and sorry if that came across angry, i just needed to say ^
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
>>12746092 I think that might stem from the eye as well. People seem to think its "pulling gunk from its eye"
Anonymous
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>>12746092 judging by how many sprites people make that are in the "just standing there" pose, people dont seem to like poses with personality.
Anonymous
>>12746105 If I'm the only one than feel free to keep it that way. I've just never liked it.
Anonymous
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>>12746128 it is gross. And that's why i love it. Honey badger dont give a fuck about manners.
Anonymous
>>12746063 Then you should transcribe 41-60. Pay your dues, my nigga. After the stats go down we still have to program the valid move pools and tweak any custom abilities and signature moves. And then it's time to set up level limits and power level by routes, bang out the tiers by experimentation and make sure everyone is where they're supposed to be.
Gunvarrel !Oq/9NMk1yg
>>12746023 I guess it technically fits, but its always seemed so massive for a Pokemon I assumed to be about the same size as a Hitmonchan
DashingHero !!jDn6qImItZZ
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>>12746035 I am 100% certain I got the shoulder/eyebrow, but holy fuck the knuckle color is similar to the knuckle I didn't notice.
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
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Berratel sprite comments:>The eye is a little messed up in both. >it looks like he's ripping his eye apart >Eye still need changing though >A looks like it's pulling goop from its eye, I lke it's shading more on the backfur. >Try a different pose? Looks.. strange >B but it needs a palette fix - there's a thin line beteen shades that is unneeded. >honestly, both have very distinctive positives and negatives that make it extremely hard to make a choice. A would be perfect with B's eye
Anonymous
>>12746112 When do the sprite surveys close anyway?
Anonymous
>>12746145 I don't how to edit pokedex,js I asked. And no one replied
DashingHero !!jDn6qImItZZ
>>12746147 I feel like that'd be too small.
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
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>>12746164 The first 2 will close tomorrow afternoon/night, depending on how many people vote. Part 3 barely has any votes, so I'm not sure yet.
Make sure you vote in Part 3!
>>12738629 Draik !sgg1MEH.f2
>>12746110 Well, im more stressing The Coal town, We NEED that, as the only two made have been surveyed and lost. I dont really care if we dont get anymore waterfall caves or coal mines. And we do need a downwad cave, and it will be surveyed. But in due time. If you make it and i survey it and it gets in, and someone comes along and does it better when are the resurvey's gonna stop?
And we do have it Prioritized, I've set a deadline for the next three chronological maps, and when they get surveyed on the fifth, I'll be collecting maps for the next three.
but by all means map the downward cave. Mappers gonna map, and we need that.
Anonymous
Anonymous
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>>12746238 That looks a lot worse imo
So generic now
Anonymous
Anonymous
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
Anonymous
>>12746199 This project does not need deadlines. Deadlines + Volunteer Labor = Shitty, Awful, Embarassing Work
Anonymous
>>12746238 I don't like it. The back cloak colors are grim and without the sticky sloppiness you lose out on the gluttony and the plant gore. He's supposed to be PG horror show.
Anonymous
Here is a very small change to make the mouth slightly rounder, see
>>12735400 for the previous version.
When I tried to make it rounder, it either looked worried or like a Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff-like face.
Is it okay to upload now?
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
>>12746268 Anonymity + Volunteer Labor - Deadlines = Only the things that people want to work on get done. Without deadlines the project would turn into "/vp/ makes a Dex".
Anonymous
>>12746268 No sorry the tripfags in the super secret skype channel know better than you and if you don't like it go to the forum that has even less say than the 4chan threads. Even though this is supposed to be a 4chan /vp/ project, everything happens over a tiny skype channel with a maximum user limit and a bunch of elitists with secret requirements for consideration.
Gunvarrel !Oq/9NMk1yg
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>>12746183 Oh I don't think it needs to be that small sprite-wise, but this guy is currently bigger than some of our dragon sprites, which I think its a little extreme!
Anonymous
>>12746286 And with it it turns into "Skype Group Shits Out Mary Sue Fangame." You have to trust in the passion of the anonymous users or you corrupt what this is.
Anonymous
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>>12746289 >he's not in the chat yet top lel
Anonymous
Dia !7zfFcmVqWQ
>>12746026 the witcher has greater demons of tzeentch? glorious
Kirn !ZIX1K1Rn42
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>>12746289 im in that super secret skype group, its litteraly a bunch of random chatting, also i think the deadlines are retarded, in fact im the one arguing with draik a little >>12746110 Anonymous
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>>12746283 oh god its great
Anonymous
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>>12746238 I need to bed but someone should check his color count.
Anonymous
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>>12746310 I know right. I can't want for number 3.
Anonymous
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
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>>12746299 Almost nothing is completely "final" when it comes to the project. If you have a problem with the way tripfags are running the surveys, start making your own
like I did. Anonymous
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>>12746289 >secret requirements HAHAHAH right thats why I technically joined it. Ive done basically nothing and dont even trip.
Just message clash or moose on the forums your skype name if you want to partake in the "Illuminati." dude. Or dont, and dont bitch. Its only done for the sake of being able discuss any given topic and the surveys without interfereance from other posters
Draik !sgg1MEH.f2
>>12746268 yes but as shown with the dex, no deadlines equal stuff not getting done.
>>12746289 Ive mentioned the deadline multiple times before I started. I wanted to do these surveys right because everyone complains about them after the fact, but when I was asking about how i should do if, people just said "make the survey already"
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
Speaking of deadlines, who's doing the probation survey? I'd do it myself but I honestly don't know the requirements for it.
Anonymous
>>12746275 ...
What?
Are you being Tumblr ironic?
It's the same colors and he's still making a mess.
Anonymous
>>12746348 i'm doing it once this confirmation is all over.
Gunvarrel !Oq/9NMk1yg
Speaking of kinda large sprites, I tried resizing Luchito. Y/N/Fuck Robots.
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
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>>12746356 Nice. I believe Moose said it was ending soon.
Anonymous
>>12746330 You mean the Dex that we completed in only a few months with a lot of really high grade work which is finalized and ready? The only reason it's not A+ Triple Seal Megafficial is because of arbitrary standards of overwhelming approval for each design. Which is not a bad thing. We have gotten really far with it AND done top notch, enviable work. This is because of the passion of an ephemeral group with time on their side, unsnuffed by invented time limits. We don't have a publisher breathing down our necks or expenses to be recooperated. There is NO NEED for deadlines. Demos can be done when they're done and guide where our priorities are without demands on dates. Surveys can be done when maps have competition. Maps get competition by there being a first product. People get their own ideas on how to do it. Give folks the tools and you'll see tons of variations. We saw a shitload of monsters because the method was clear and we put focus on it as a group. Stick the mapping tools and sprite sets in the OP of the next thread and you'll see a fuckload of maps pop up. Until then you're putting the cart in front of the horse -- and whipping angrily at the dirt.
Anonymous
>>12746365 Smaller one's better.
Anonymous
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>>12746355 No, I never liked the back cloak. I'm just saying. And right now he has some pink coloration and he's carrying oddly shaped balls. Before he was stringing guts out through his teeth. It doesn't read as stains and mess. He looks like a juggler in his many colored leotard.
Anonymous
>>12746365 idk which one is the old one
but smaller is better, though bigger has better eyes imo
Anonymous
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>>12746378 We had deadline for designs to put into the Dex didn't we? And the probation is pretty much a deadline itself.
Anonymous
>>12746384 good, cause thats the new one.
>>12746365 hey gun, can you make this guy smaller?
Draik !sgg1MEH.f2
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>>12746378 I meant the first deadline we set for it, if we didnt set a deadline for entry, we'd still be taking new pokemon designs. thats all I really have to say, and your point is taken.
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>>12746378 I believe he's talking about designs like Fumighast, Boat Beetle, and a few others that go months at a time without people even trying to redesign. With deadlines (the Probation survey) we'll find out if this can get done or if its a lost cause that needs to be gotten rid of.
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Reminder we're on page 10.
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>>12746365 I think he needs a redo - I can work on one if you'd like.
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>>12746447 Wheres thread bitch clash
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>>12746424 Newveyor, can you make the thread? My computer is slow as fuck with saving+uploading etc.
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>>12746407 Both or just one?
>>12746400 Smaller is new. What about the old eyes do you like better?
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>>12746497 the bigger one. dilophlora
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>>12746504 I'll give it my best shot.
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>>12746497 the smaller eyes look to mean
and not fat enough
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>>12746511 Thanks, i had trouble bringing it down to 96x96 when making it
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