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>Design Revisions (For Pokemon with less then 66% approval rating) >Region details & Mapping >Names (Make sure to add your ideas to the wiki or forum!) >Sprites >Movepools, Stats & Abilities >All the rest of the dex info If you have constructive ideas for revisions, post them. If you're going to complain about the starters, don't.
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>All submissions are closed at this time! >Pokemon with Green Arrows are ready design wise to go in game, they can still be changed but your time is much better spent elsewhere. >The region is based off of South and Central America, but not everything needs to be Latin American in nature. >Yes, we are making this a game, and we're using RPG Maker to do it. >The dex has low quality images, check the wiki for better quality. >Spriters need to stop making the sprites direct copies of the art! They need to make sure they are facing the right way! > If you do not like a design give constructive criticism so we know best how to change it! >We are really trying to capture the spirit of Pokemon games. We want to make this a fun and enjoyable experience for any Pokemon player. >We are not adding Fairy Type. Clash's art folder:
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Hm/Redesign Survey:
https://www.surveymonkey .com/s/ FXGCRS7
TM Survey:
surveymonkey
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MULTIPLE SPRITES SURVEY PART 3:
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MapMaker MapMaker Make Me A Map!
Anonymous
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>inb4 cull something
Anonymous
posting current spritedex
Anonymous
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>>12777318 A lot of these designs were perfectly fine BEFORE you retards changed them. If you're looking to please everybody, you're not going to fucking do it. I don't get it. A LOT of these designs were great, now I'm just disappointed with most of them. I link to this post because of this games rodents. I saw them go from okay, to good, to great, to mediocre. Just stop trying to make everybody happy.
Anonymous
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>>12777329 Never knew erycoon was that small. Pretty cool.
Anonymous
>>12777329 you have the wrong burrmudail, dinkywink, caranox, and galaxagos
Anonymous
Anonymous
Anonymous
Gunvarrel !Oq/9NMk1yg
>>12777361 FINALLY someone posts that sprite. It was MIA like Solcari for the longest time.
>>12777366 Didn't that sprite lose the sprite survey or am I misremembering?
>>12777333 Aww, as creepy as it is, I'm flattered. Anonymous
>>12777329 So it looks like we are going to have sprites done long before mapping and stats/movesets. It'll be interesting to see how the project survives when only the Xs and Os are left. I wish we could start getting stats and movesets finalized so that I could work on battletower trainers and the like.
Anonymous
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>>12777392 You could help make the showdown dex so that we have a place to test bvalance.
Anonymous
>>12777381 ask shitty new surveyer, then ignore him because people dont know shit.
>>12777366 is quality, pic related is just...bad
Clash !BMy7CLasHA
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>>12777392 I am hoping that once the Pokemon sprites are done, people might start helping with the OW Pokemon sprites... also any tile sprites hoping they can transition from Pokemon to mapping tiles.
Anonymous
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>>12777356 >>12777359 >>12777361 >>12777366 alright i can update it
that spritedex isnt exactly an official record of sprites, but ill try to keep it updated
>>12777392 it will survive, and there are quite a few sprites left though, like backsprites, trainer sprites, overworld, etc.
Anonymous
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>>12777381 while what I said was creepy, just know that youre appreciated and that i think small boobs are wonderful Anonymous
>>12777402 >>12777381 This
>>12777366 Caranox is winning by 48-26 right now.
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
Gunvarrel !Oq/9NMk1yg
Reposting this with redonkulous extras to avoid the double file thing.
>>12777402 IMO both have their strengths. I really dislike the saturated red-color and the abdomen for what you consider the current one, but that one has a much better limbs. Perhaps an effort to merge the best parts of both?
Also democracy is king in gen /vp/, for better or for worse. I've had stuff I've spent hours on get dumped. It's just something you have to deal with. Anonymous
>>12777312 So why isn't this the Atom yet
Anonymous
>>12777392 What even is our process for stat and moveset finalization? Is there a list of pokemon whose stats are "done". I realize they are always subject to tweaks once actual play testing is done. I know some of them have had votes for them, but most just seemed to have been first come first serve. But I feel like we should have an organize list image like we have for designs and sprites. It would make the process more organized and people will see which ones need the most work and we would have a goal to work towards to speed up the process.
Anonymous
>>12777427 Because the blue and red "magneton" ones were far superior.
Gunvarrel !Oq/9NMk1yg
>>12777417 Well damn, I stand corrected!
>>12777431 I guess it's sort of hard to create an official "image" for them because there's just so much information that you can't really condense it. I don't think there's really a system in place for officializing that sorta thing though!
Anonymous
i was having fun
Anonymous
>>12777427 No arms, no legs, gaudy colors.
Anonymous
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>>12777450 inb4 someone considers this for an actual design
Really nice Fanart though
Anonymous
Going to start working on Part 4 of the Sprite survey tonight. Does anyone know if the Borealis sprites on the wiki are the current designs or not?
Anonymous
>>12777449 Base stats:
Abilities:
Level up moves:
TM moves:
Tutor Moves:
Egg Moves:
EV yield:
Height/Weight:
Egg Group(s):
Dex Color:
Catch Rate:
(Pretty sure that's all of them)
Put these all next to each mons name and have a color coded system like we have for designs that show whether they are finalized or not. We could even break it into different lists if it proves too unwieldy.
Anonymous
Gunvarrel !Oq/9NMk1yg
>>12777481 That's still quite a bit of information for even one Pokemon per image! Maybe try drafting an example of one just to see how it'd work out.
Anonymous
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>>12777477 No, they're based on the fiercer version.
Anonymous
Can I remove all of the sprites that lost and don't need revisions from the wiki? Its confusing to have all of these extra sprites all over the place.
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
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>>12777502 It keeps forgetting my trip. Fuck.
Gunvarrel !Oq/9NMk1yg
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>>12777502 Go for it! Keep that wiki clean!
Anonymous
>>12777481 there is more info than that
and some of those have bricks of info behind them
>>12777502 i think we should keep them for know, its more of a colection for now
later we can clean it up when we finalize one for each
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>12777450 Why don't we just lift designs from pacific rim?
We're lifting characters from all over the place apparently
Gunvarrel !Oq/9NMk1yg
>>12777514 I think there are a few we can just completely dump, like the old Burrmudail, but maybe keep some of the more controversial sprites just so we have options for improvement later.
Anonymous
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>>12777517 fuck gob
also what is pacific rim? is that a new video game or something?
Anonymous
>>12777427 >>12777447 >>12777457 Thats not even the original color scheme, this is. And I did 12 other versions on the recolor's scheme, because its a more scientifically accurate scheme.
As for the "arms/legs", I dont see it as something that should be fully humanoid. More, it shouldn't have electricity for no reason literally making up its body. Thats just terrible design.
Anonymous
>>12777522 no i think we should leave them all for now...
you could add another column for sprites that wont be used, that way we have them for refrence and stuff
Anonymous
>>12777529 I'm talking about the actually good design
Gunvarrel !Oq/9NMk1yg
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>>12777535 If we add too many columns, the wiki cuts them off. Maybe just add a star next to the ones that are the favored one.
Anonymous
>>12777539 Thats not a bad design, tbh, but its not nearly as adorable. Plus its color scheme is still so plain and awful
Anonymous
Still very WIP, considerably worse?shamelessly using the art pose because it's neat
Anonymous
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>>12777551 I don't think the atom really needs to be adorable but ok.
Anonymous
>>12777450 Im sure, you are blue
Anonymous
Anonymous
Gunvarrel !Oq/9NMk1yg
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>>12777568 Personally I think the blue is perfect! You did a great job!
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
>>12777514 Uhh... Oops. I saved all of the designs that were rejected, and it really does keep the wiki cleaner and more organized.
Anonymous
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>>12777568 hnngod
yes
yes
yes
yeeeesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
fuck off dunky, our true fossil is here
Gunvarrel !Oq/9NMk1yg
>>12777612 I actually was editing at the same you were and I have the version before you cleaned house. Do you want me to revert it before I save?
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
>>12777624 Personally, I think it looks better now.
Anonymous
>>12777493 Put a little thought into it and decided a vertical list could be the easiest and most compact way to see what has and hasn't been finished. Took off half of them as they seemed more flavor and can be done separately. Basically, list every pokemon and put what is or isn't done with them. Red means nothing is there. Yellow for has stuff but not official. Green means finalized. Keep all the actual info on the wiki and in a separate document for reference.
Gunvarrel !Oq/9NMk1yg
>>12777639 OH you meant like THAT. I assumed you were going to be listing the actual data for all of those. Sounds like an excellent idea, minus perhaps tutors, since I don't think tutor moves have been decided on yet and probably won't for a while?
>>12777634 Fair enough. Everyone else has a few minutes to yell at me to stop cause I need to re-add all my changes.
Anonymous
>>12777612 don't worry all pictures in the wiki are there unless you remove them. you just have to dig through picture directory
Gunvarrel !Oq/9NMk1yg
>>12777659 Dude... doing that is so time consuming though.
Anonymous
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>>12777683 Your posting on 4chan says much about your free time.
hue ;_;
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
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>>12777683 True, but we need to start narrowing down the sprites. Coming from experience, it sucks going through sprites that have lost surveys, sprites that have won surveys, sprites that need runoffs, and sprites that werre just added.
This is just my opinion though.
Anonymous
>>12777659 We can make a "sprite graveyard" full of sprites that aren't the current version for reference, kind of like the dropbox art folder?
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
>>12777704 I'd be ok with this.
NOT IT Anonymous
>>12777654 No that would be too unwieldy. I just want a quick reference list so people know what stats,movesets, and abilities are worth spending their time on and/or disputing. Right now you have go through the whole dex page by page and you still have no idea what was put in by a random guy, what was officially voted on, etc. It's like why bother trying to contribute when the process is a mess?
Gunvarrel !Oq/9NMk1yg
>>12777725 Well said! I throw my support behind this idea.
>>12777716 AUGH I'LL DO IT. BRB.
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
DashingHero !!jDn6qImItZZ
Gunvarrel !Oq/9NMk1yg
>>12777745 Can you list off what Pokemon you knocked out of the sprite page? I don't need the sprites, just the names.
Anonymous
>>12777808 >lel/10 A decent amount of cancer in one post. Go ahead and throw edgy in there next time.
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
>>12777833 Aguanaut, Warquila, 1 Cubzero (but I added another that no one posted), Llamarsh, 1 Buckston, Bluffin, Burrmudial, the Cowatti with 2 sprites in one pic, Berratel, Magnitogre, Necronit, Gravollum, Fantasmare, 2 Doppoles, Hyekuza, Fortifry, and Ornitherb.
DashingHero !!jDn6qImItZZ
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
>>12777833 >>12777869 And someone deleted the other Aguade before I got to it.
Anonymous
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>>12777738 could serve as source for retrodex as well.
Anonymous
>>12777894 I have the old page up, do any need to be saved?
Gunvarrel !Oq/9NMk1yg
Started it at
http://capx.wikia.com/wiki/Sprite_Graveyard 12777894
Eh? Which one?
>>12777915 I can't find the old Berratel and Magnitogre. I think it needed the Doppoles too.
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
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>>12777915 I think Gun is on it right now, but you could help with these
>>12777869 if you want as a backup.
Here's that Aguade by the way
Rest in peace handwaving buddy ;_; Anonymous
Gunvarrel !Oq/9NMk1yg
>>12777957 Yess thank you.
>>12777935 Wow okay I think my formatting is a sign that I should sleep. I'll finish the graveyard then head to bed.
Gunvarrel !Oq/9NMk1yg
>>12777975 Oh JK I see someone's adding them already. Love you anon-san.
Anonymous
"In days old Quetzue granted man three treasures,
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
>>12777981 >http://capx.wikia.com/wiki/Sprite_Graveyard I fucked it up, but they're there now. Thanks for doing most of the work!
Anonymous
>>12777639 Since it got some interest, I decided to make a checklist for stats, movesets, and abilities. Basically fill in the boxes based on officialness. Who has the current info on what is actually officially voted or not is a mystery to me.
I leave it up to /vp/ to make it look prettier.
Gunvarrel !Oq/9NMk1yg
>>12778009 Was hardly any work at all! Thanks for finishing up!
>>12778015 Excellent! Mind adding a color code key similar to our design sheet? Green being finished and confirmed, orange being started but not confirmed, and blank for not stated yet?
>>12777983 Wish I had the energy to read this right now.
Anonymous
>>12778015 are the stats and abilities on the googledoc finalized?
Anonymous
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>>12778015 its perfect!
we have needed something like this
Gunvarrel !Oq/9NMk1yg
>>12778036 I don't think there is such a thing as a "finalized" stats/ability set yet.
Anonymous
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whatever happened to that vectol.2 redesign with a clear tail and stuff
Anonymous
>>12778045 I know at least a handful might be finalized like Royjibiv which had an actual vote since it was so hotly contested. But the vast majority seem to just be put in the wiki by various people whithout much input in the threads by others.
Anonymous
Some more tweaks, is it ready?
Gunvarrel !Oq/9NMk1yg
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>>12778069 Well time to fix that problem! Anyways I'm out guys, later.
Anonymous
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>>12777425 The new one seems a bit too saturated to me.
Anonymous
When is someone going to make a nice graphic image with all of our sprites like this one?
Anonymous
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>>12778100 This is really nice anon. You're pretty good at spriting.
Anonymous
Anonymous
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>>12778034 i went on an archeology trip into the depths of the wiki. behold. also helps so we can remember previous shiny discussions. (check the graveyard :)
Anonymous
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>>12778034 Now with color code key.
Again, I don't have any of the actual info other than what is not there, so I'm going to leave it to /vp/ to fill in those boxes. Hopefully, we will see a day when a giant sheet of green is staring at us.
Anonymous
>>12778100 different from this guy, the blue looked a little bright to me so I changed it a bit, thoughts?
Anonymous
>>12777329 Looking good but some of the colors seem a little off. Maybe we could use colors like these for the types.
Anonymous
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>>12778243 Definitely looks better. The back legs also look a little knock-kneed.
Anonymous
>>12778180 ive been working on one, its near the top
and im still trying to make a nice background do make it pretty
>>12778249 i kinda looked at those for refrence
but i was mainly trying to make the differences clear
if i used those it would be really hard to tell dragon from ghost from dark etc.
are there any that are unclear or to similar? i can edit theme pretty easily
Anonymous
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>>12777329 Im going to catch a Pebblosa, name it PEEELOSA, and box it forever.
Anonymous
>>12778275 Change them all so they are using the official type colors in that photo
Anonymous
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>>12778282 >official type colors Those aren't it. Dragon's official type color is blue/orange bisected, for instance.
Anonymous
>>12778282 here are the official colors
notice how they dont really translate to the spritedex
Anonymous
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>>12778342 I never noticed, but Ground is dual-colored, too. Not just dragon.
Flying type eevee confirmed for gen 7 Anonymous
Desaturated the pair, should the prevo be unchanged(saturated) for diversity?
Anonymous
>>12777425 lrn2wiki bud. I put it up a while back. Anonymous
>>12778342 Where is that from? I can't find all of the official icons but in gen flying and normal looked like this, not like that.
Anonymous
Anonymous
ok i tried making the dexbased on these colors
>>12778342 it looks real bad...
>>12778433 pokemon.com online dex
Anonymous
>>12778438 what exactly is the role this would play in game?
its a well made maze for the most part
and it looks nice
i really think the idea of them trying to make the maze look bigger with outside wall is really creative btw
Anonymous
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>>12778444 I think it would be better if we just used the colours that were used for the type icons for gen 5 instead of the
pokemon.com ones. That's what people will be most familiar with.
Anonymous
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>>12778461 >what exactly is the role this would play in game? ancient ruins dungeon before you get to the golden city and encounter pixi's/Quetz/etc... it's explained in the graphic
anyway, we don't have to use it, or we could turn it into a cave, or something. I just did it for fun.
Anonymous
>>12778438 Looks great. Did you randomly generate it or did you make it yourself? Even if it has no pace in the game, I think it would make for a nice postgame dungeon.
Anonymous
>>12777329 That's not our final condesa right?
Anonymous
>>12778438 >Wild Comossus Oh god please heaven no.
Anonymous
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>>12777329 >small lizard prevo: the game. Anonymous
Anonymous
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>>12778519 >Did you randomly generate it or did you make it yourself? myself.
Anonymous
>>12778551 I couldn't remember if we were still going with the "artifact" idea or not, anyway, everything posted is subject to change during surveys anyway.
Anonymous
>>12778606 Im just saying, Comossus is freakishly powerful. As late-game as I'm expecting this to be, it wouldn't be impossible to handle, but it might be a little bit much.
Speaking of, he evolves at level 32. Going from 360 to 550. No. Level 40+ preferrably Anonymous
So are you guys going to include fairy type in this game?
Anonymous
>>12778624 Die rgw i4099th time. o
Anonymous
>>12778621 I don't really pay attention to stats... I'm probably gonna fail at this game once it's finally finished. I certainly doubt I'll be able to defeat the champion with my lv. 100 Growmeo.
>>12778624 gen 2 man, pic related
Anonymous
>>12778624 For the 400th time, no. We voted on it a long time ago. And we're too deep into development to add it now. Not only that, we're on a gen-4 system, working with a program that doesn't have Fairy programmed into it. We COULD, but we decided not to anyway. So far, no desire to reverse this decision has been expressed.
Anonymous
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>>12778649 not just that, but we'd have to wait to find out how fairy's even work before we could even consider programing it in the first place.
Anonymous
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>>12777329 We need to keep that Condesa sprite
It literally looks like a guy in a bad suit. Play off this and make something like PokeWood with it Anonymous
>>12778640 wut
>>12778641 I think you guys should. I could see some of these being fairy type, like the dream sheep, viipii, wish fish, ghost waifus, and the 2 pixies
Anonymous
>>12778667 >not wanting fairy Snowgre. pleb.
Anonymous
>>12778672 >fairy= ogre Nah nigga you're retarded.
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>12778697 >doesn't into fairy lore... Anonymous
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Anonymous
>>12778698 >uses an obscure jrpg as a reference >>12778708 >doesn't into common sense Anonymous
Anonymous
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>>12778738 >buttmad he got called out on his ignorance >Calling SMT an obscure JRPG Anonymous
>>12778781 >>12778786 >Leprechauns and Jack O' Lanterns are fairies top lel
Anonymous
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>>12778817 imaginary little people being classified under similar nomenclature as other imaginary little people... who knew?
Anonymous
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>>12778817 Ummm ... Yes? They're not pixies, which is what you're thinking of (Tinkerbell from Disney's Peter Pan is a pixie). The Fey are a much more general classification and dont imply tiny people with butterfly wings.
Fairyfolk by nature are humanoid, mischievous if not outright cruel, and not only magic, but very powerful. They're also shapeshifters, more often than not, so they can appear as beautiful or ugly to different people at the same time.
Anonymous
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>>12778461 we have lots of temples.
Anonymous
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>>12778438 what if it required Flash...
Skele
Not on the sprite dex, so I'm guessing it's not official.
Anonymous
Skele
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>>12779022 Same colour as Gastly, can fix it.
Anonymous
>>12778438 ok i did a lot of work went into my analysis and use my region highlighting. functionally dead is a reward-less dead-end.
layer one; lot's of dead ends, drops all come down clean. no issues which can't be resolved by changing catch areas or hiding trainers.
layer two: also good, like the diversity of the path. is there a way to bypass the broken holes? otherwise upper-right loot is nearly un-obtainable. outer-ring drop panels land on walls sometimes. pretty sure we can just budge play position over in code.
layer3; drops block every path. must be a way to span gap. outer ring drop piece purely for looks?? no way to get to such regions
layer 4 and 5. great pathing. not sure once again on crossing holes and outer-area falls unreachable and land on walls at times like some others.
Anonymous
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>>12779029 >wall type B >used to trick players into thinking Maze is bigger than it is Oh hell yes.
Anonymous
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The hm survey is still fucked up and should be started over completely
Anonymous
>>12779029 I'll add my 2 cents
If we made the whole thing populated with high level pokes and DIFFICULT trainers instead of just the encounter areas this would be a perfect victory road. We can tie it in better with the plot if it involves the pixies/quetzal but I don't really think its needed. Ducherado is standing on top/top level and battles you, you win and carry on to the Pokemon league. This would require us to create some sort of puzzle that's more than just a maze. I suggest switches that either turn the maze to alter where you drop down or switches that add/ remove walls. Either way, there needs to be multiple parts on each level you can't reach when you first get there.
I wish I wasn't busy so I could illustrate this more clearly
Anonymous
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>>12777568 Amazing.
Needs a slightly fainter shade of blue, and something to show off the "rocky/lumpy" legs, but everything else is perfect (proportions, distributions of shade and light, face, etc)
Anonymous
>>12778420 Perfect shade of blue, but the cream and brown bits are now too desaturated.
Anonymous
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I have a question: if canon is so important to you, why do you continue with this abomination? You cannot change pokemon, that's stupid. You must accept pokemon as it is.
Anonymous
>>12779455 I heard about this trick for mazes where you stick to the right hand side to get out. I suggest we add stairs in the middle that cannot be reached with this tactic to counter this blatant cheating.
Anonymous
How are we going to vote on final names?
Anonymous
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>>12780184 The 'trick' is to take a right hand turn every time it's offered until a dead end, then go back to the last junction and take a left. Repeat until victory. It's brute forcing a maze and will *always* eventually work.
Anonymous
>>12780184 You just take whichever side and continue sticking to it. The trick will not work if walls are not connected to each.
Anonymous
>>12777329 Need to be moved lower down:
Cerebrulb (roughly so lowered arm is near ground?)
Chilloth (As low as possible without arms being covered by HP bar. Better illusion of floating if close to "ground-line")
Sprites that are too small (details lost, etc.):
Aguanaut
Warquilla
Gigaard
Crawglock
Turkistador
Dunkywinkr
Cheshade
Mosquitto evo (same size as prevo)
Diamat
Slight adjustment (few things are wrong, can fix base):
Avalynx (face is slightly off)
Burraudail (Can't see any detail in face. I think that may be the proportions of the artwork though.)
Berratel (detail in face is hard to see)
Dreamdery (pose does not seem like the sort of pose it strikes, based on artwork.)
Cerebrulb ("Collar" section of body looks like sharp shoulder points rather than two flat pannels either side of head.)
Scovalope (looks fat. Needs to be thinner, longer ears, and longer horns)
Lutrajet (hard to see details of eyes, whiskers are missing)
Sedirott (body colour is dark grey according to wiki, not brown)
Pottle (body needs to be darker shade of orange/creamy-organge)
Chesgrin (Detail is lost in face. Body is kind of fat)
Pompagoon (Body seems too long, making it too tall compared to origional art. Imagine middle third of stromach was gone)
Hydranticus (Neck is missing, seems like body joins into head. Then again, wiki image has been updated, and now has even longer neck and different ees)
Icetop & Chillnobyl (Icetope body needs to be darker shade of grey, Chillnobyl needs darker blue body and spikes)
Wendingo (horns are too small, cannot see them)
Ragnarow (face is off. Looks like its terrified rather than roaring. Also, face was more stount and short)
Complete do over (completely off model):
Scovalope (if sprite cannot be edited as mentioned above. Maybe pose of wiki art)
Condesa
Fuelong (On model, but seems like it is flying or floating. Maybe use pose of art on wiki)
Anything else worth adding?
Should I dump this on forum?
(at char. limit, ask for more details)
Anonymous
>>12780212 Then we should put stairs within maze walls that aren't connected.
Anonymous
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>>12777983 Please stop posting walltext
Anonymous
>>12779029 Wut's functional dead mean?
Anonymous
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>>12778781 >trolls are fairies >this guy is admitting he's a fag Anonymous
>>12780329 meaning you can walk in it but no hidden treasure or path to the end. basically a dead end.
Anonymous
Reposting
Anonymous
>>12780380 >Idea isn't perfect Nah, its perfect. Perfectly shitty. Eat a dick.
Anonymous
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>>12777568 The only flaw I see with this (and the art itself) is the shaded part of the horn is too dark. It makes it look like there's a weird hood over the front of its face.
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>12780473 Sure told me retard.
Anonymous
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>>12780473 Don't feed the trolls.
Gunvarrel !Oq/9NMk1yg
>>12778429 That one wasn't finished yet! Anonymous
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>>12780616 Holy shista. I'll update it now. Anonymous
>>12780216 The fuelong pose is great.
Anonymous
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>>12780828 >>12780216 I don't think this guy completely understands the pokemon. We have a lot of people coming in making that mistake.
Anonymous
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>>12779029 1) everything is obtainable, you may have to drop from a higher level or make use of ladders to retrieve everything, but everything is eventually obtainable.
1b) the sparseness was origionally intentional, to just have a maze for the sake of a maze... But I don't see any reason why we can't have some tomb robber NPC's, so long as we make sure they can't move and block paths.
2) the drop tiles only activate if you backtrack and walk over them more than once. If you keep moving forward, and with any luck avoid dead ends, you'll get to through without ever falling.
3) I made the paths using layers in a paint program, so I'm pretty sure none of the break tiles cause the player to fall on a wall... FYI the ladders in the centers of the mazes line up, not the staircases at the exits... I know that causes problems for level 3 since it has no ladders... I'll implement a centering marker later so the mappers will know how everything lines up.
Anonymous
>>12780289 the maze already has walls that aren't connected.
Anonymous
>>12780336 just like a real maze?
Anonymous
>>12781203 For the trick not to work, the exit and entrance basically cannot be connected. And i think right now they are (and to make them not do this, we'd have to place either of them somewhere in the middle so that their wall can be detached.
Anonymous
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>>12781220 it won't help you once you get to l.2 and onward where the 1 time use tiles start, as soon as you try the right hand trick you'll just keep falling back to l.1 over and over...
Anonymous
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>>12781209 anon was just answering me. I didn't understand the term "Function Dead" meant 'dead end'.
Anonymous
>>12780380 Dunno bud. They are pretty dull to start and and only function as a handholding mechanic to protect you from your rival's starter. Don't think changing the evo method would help that much.
Anonymous
>>12781264 >function as a handholding mechanic to protect you from your rival's starter. have you even seen their stats?
Anonymous
>>12781264 Honestly I like the way the evolve
Anonymous
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>>12781299 The original way I mean.
Anonymous
>>12781272 That was how they were explained in the survey. As a super effective type against your rival.
Anonymous
>>12781398 they're all bug type, so that's functionally impossible given their low speed and the fact that the two fastest starters are a fire type and a flying type.
Anonymous
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>>12780216 Fuelong is supposed to be flying. You don't know the drama we've had over that sprite.
Anonymous
HEY ALL!
Anonymous
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>>12781491 our evil team shouldn't have a uniform... they're evil, not stupid.
Wimblesaurus !HEqAdPi13w
>>12780186 I figure there's gonna be a survey to see whether it's vulturgyst or coltergeist that gets its name changed, and one for any mons with names over 10 chars (here's lookin' at you, hydranticus).
Anonymous
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>>12777329 >/vp/ in charge of quality sprites or uniform style Anonymous
>>12781491 Or we come up with original designs and not be lazy enough to re use sprites. Much less those two awful ones.
Anonymous
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>>12781466 Yeah, I did notice that. But I definitely read it on an official survey somewhere. Whatever, if that's not the case then it just makes me dislike them slightly less.
Anonymous
>>12781507 Disappointing that we can't use bypass the 10 char limit
Anonymous
>>12781549 Why? Why would we force that character limit onto ourselves? I'm sure if Gamefreak could've done that in Gens 1 and 2 they'd have done it
Anonymous
>/vp/ in charge of making a game
Anonymous
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>>12781531 >stand ins or even prototypes Just trying to solve the problem of two trainers we don't have and two we don't need.
Draik !sgg1MEH.f2
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>>12781554 its a pokemon essentials thing. We literally just cant go over the limit.
Anonymous
>>12781554 It's buried in the Essentials code.
Anonymous
>>12781568 >>12781554 Anyone asked around on another website if there is a way to bypass it in essentials?
Anonymous
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>>12781507 >>12780186 What about Pokemon who aren't listed on the dex image with names? We're getting some good ones on the forum.
http://z13.invisionfree.com/Pokemon_Gen_VP/index.php?showtopic=249 Anonymous
>>12781579 sounds like a lot of extra work when we could just do better at thinking up names.
Anonymous
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>>12781560 This has been going on for a while and has a working demo. What's the problem?
Anonymous
>>12781592 Maybe. We don't if it is a lot of extra work do we?
Anonymous
>>12781568 >look for char-ish code >search for all "10" >change it to 1000 Anonymous
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>>12781611 I meant that trying to find out in the first place is a lot of extra work... I don't into reading.
Draik !sgg1MEH.f2
>>12781619 That sounds like it could ruin the hell out of a lot of things. I mean, I dont code or anything, but sheesh.
>>12781611 Less time could be spent argueing on it if you went and looked it up for us.
Anonymous
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>>12781634 I've just asked on the Pokemon Essentials board of
Pokecommunity.com , lets hope I get a reply soon.
Anonymous
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>>12781554 It messes up the formatting to make it that long. You'd have to change a bunch of other stuff like font, or screen size, or text size, and risk it looking sloppy as fuck.
Anonymous
>>12781619 Congradulations, you just made Chardinal unstoppable.
Anonymous
Someone really needs to work on these sprites
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>12781619 What could possiblie go wrong?
Draik !sgg1MEH.f2
>>12781680 Also, it should be looking towards the the player, not off to the side like that.
>>12781686 Holy crap I laughed at this.
Anonymous
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>>12781579 I don't code, but I've heard the problem is just that essentials is very thick and poorly labeled.
Anonymous
>>12781699 Where da maps at, Draik?
Anonymous
>>12781634 >>12781686 >>12781689 Of course there is a lot of other code lines involved.
Shit we can do
>Ask on essentials forum >Get it by ourselves Anonymous
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>>12781680 What's with the apostrophe mustache anyway?
Draik !sgg1MEH.f2
>>12781707 in the other window, waiting for this episode of Supernatural to end. This is what I'm workin on right now. I'm gonna make a little secret area to the left with a frozen waterfall, possibly an npc that gives you somethin neat, idk
Anonymous
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>>12781619 Player sent out 'Adolph Blaine Charles David Earl Frederick Gerald Hubert Irvim John Kenneth Loyd Martin Nero Oliver Paul Quincy Randolph Sherman Thomas Uncas Victor Willian Xerxes Yancy Zeus',
foe used stun spore, 'Adolph Blaine Charles David Earl Frederick Gerald Hubert Irvim John Kenneth Loyd Martin Nero Oliver Paul Quincy Randolph Sherman Thomas Uncas Victor Willian Xerxes Yancy Zeus' is paralyzed, 'Adolph Blaine Charles David Earl Frederick Gerald Hubert Irvim John Kenneth Loyd Martin Nero Oliver Paul Quincy Randolph Sherman Thomas Uncas Victor Willian Xerxes Yancy Zeus' may be unable to move...
'Adolph Blaine Charles David Earl Frederick Gerald Hubert Irvim John Kenneth Loyd Martin Nero Oliver Paul Quincy Randolph Sherman Thomas Uncas Victor Willian Xerxes Yancy Zeus' is unable to move.
Anonymous
>>12781737 If you are just now catching up on Supernatural know that it ends at season 6 and everything after that is just bullshit that CW churned to milk the cow. it has very definite ending episode with a post production scene tacked on at the end,
Anonymous
>>12781737 nevermeltice or IcyWind TM?
Draik !sgg1MEH.f2
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>>12781773 Oh wow, I'm just on season two. Thanks though, that seems like it'll be good to know.
>>12781788 Both of those are perfectly reasonable
Anonymous
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>>12781491 Young explorers and preliminaries should probably be amalgamated as well.
Anonymous
>>12781737 hm I feel like Fosters gym should be more ... opened? I imagine a lot of kids playing around it and so on. Right now its quite stuffed in the corner.
Anonymous
>>12781866 It's like playground man. It's open enough.
Nugget
>>12781737 sorry if this is wrong because I don't pay too much attention to maps, but are those fishing rods place holders? They look super weird
Anonymous
>>12781737 Is anyone a fan of the blacktop?
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>12781884 I think it was supposed to be connected to actual daycare. It does kinda make sense, gym is gym after all and we wouldn't wanna a child get accidentaly torn apart by ice lynx, hit by an icicle or burned.
Nugget
>>12781906 the tile is a bit odd. Also, are all the snow trees going to have the exact same look? There should be one or two that's different to mix it up
Anonymous
>>12781914 >I think it was supposed to be connected to actual daycare. nope, it is a daycare.
Anonymous
>>12781737 >frozen waterfall I think that should be left for an epic absolute zero kind of place, not one where you can still see the grass.
Anonymous
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>>12781943 We scrapped that.
Anonymous
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>>12781943 Pretty sure most people wanted it to be in one building, but still separated, but not going to argue, it may be wrong.
Dog !StaIqxr34U
Anonymous
I think the tree sprite should have a dulled colour of the leaves. Normally they aren't this lush/vibrant.>real-life comparising
Anonymous
>>12781884 it should be like a playground but it's NOT open enough
Anonymous
>>12781943 Pretty sure we're still questioning whether that is proposed or official. His is Mr. Daycare, but where it is in relation to his gym is still up in the air.
>>12781906 >>12781913 >>12781927 What about using these bricks instead? Wouldn't stand out as much.
Wimblesaurus !HEqAdPi13w
>>12781715 you forgot
>Embrace with the 10-character limit because it keeps the names short and sweet. Seriously, some of our names UNDER the limit are too long and clumsy.
Draik !sgg1MEH.f2
>>12781888 They were made for that purpose, so idk, They do need some edits though.
>>12781906 you mean the road? i have no road, and then a road with different tiles and both were complained about
>>12781866 My idea was that kids would be playing all over town.
>>12781927 We have one other snowy tree, but its an entirely different kind of tree, not the same tree with different snow. so it looks weird. and ofcourse, trees looking exactly the same is a pokemon thing
>muh gamefreak mistakes. >>12781954 hey, I'm just doing what people asked. It's supposed to be a little secret area, maybe you cant get to it without an hm or something. Super calm and seren, an old guy can be there, meditating or something.
>>12781968 again, gamefreak mistakes yo
Anonymous
Draik !sgg1MEH.f2
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>>12781986 I had those first and people compained. Now with these ones, people complain. so You know. Maybe.
>>12781977 Now that I moved the house that was down there, I can extend that platform a bit.
Anonymous
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>>12781986 I could see either one working
Nugget
>>12781989 just looks kind of odd. I go icefishing a lot and that doesn't look like a typical set up
Wimblesaurus !HEqAdPi13w
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Did we ever get results from the most recent name survey?
Draik !sgg1MEH.f2
>>12782010 We'll probably have actual fishermen out there as well, But I suck at events So I could only draw their location. Plus, I dont have any small ice holes without those. which is something we need.
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>12781737 needs a bunch of snowkemon all over town.
Tileanon !dJ6DTaYuFo
>>12781968 Did somebody say TILEANON?!
What's that? You didn't?
oh...
Well have these anyway.
Draik !sgg1MEH.f2
>>12782034 Yeah, not gonna lie, That seems really really frustrating to do. But if a bunch of people like that layout better, I'll try somethin for it.
>>12782053 That's true as well, but I dont have those tiles.
Nugget
>>12782031 yea, we need holes without poles. Also, ice fishing holes are usually perfectly circular. A typical "pole" is just a little wooden frame with a small flag on it. The only time a pole is used if there is a person holding it
Tileanon !dJ6DTaYuFo
>>12782031 >I dont have any small ice holes without those What is those? There are some empty holes on the ice tiles on the wiki if that's what you mean
Tileanon !dJ6DTaYuFo
>>12782065 >I dont have those tiles. Check under props
Draik !sgg1MEH.f2
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>>12782075 Oh damn, never mind, I should have them then, I'll look again, thanks.
>>12782063 Sweet mother of arceus, you're dope as hell Tileanon.
>>12782084 Yeah, I know where they are, I'm just lazy. I'll get it done.
Anonymous
>>12782034 do the gym this way, so we can still have that "snowball" scene if we chose.
Tileanon !dJ6DTaYuFo
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>>12782067 updated the wiki as well
Anonymous
>>12782063 Is anyone else bothered by that patch of snow on the bottom right hand side? It really sticks out and will probably look shitty when the trees are used close together.
Anonymous
>>12782098 The snowball scene can still play out with the kids on the roof. That's why it's accessible, man.
Anonymous
>>12781737 Can we shade our snow with blue instead of grey? Those tiles look like absolute shit at the moment.
Anonymous
>>12782113 Look on the current map. The trees are close together. It's fine.
>>12782130 Blue highlights sound like an eyesore
Anonymous
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>>12782128 but the player has to be forced to walk directly in the pat of at least one of the slides in order for the snowball scene to play out. If the gym is lined up dead center with stairs the player can just walk right in without encountering the scene first. Placing the gym off to one side forces the scene.
Anonymous
>>12782098 this is pretty much why we will never fucking get this done despite the fact that we have an arguably larger workforce than Gamefreak; we have 100 - 300 participants and of them maybe 5 are willing to make makes while everyone else just does this paint nonsense
Anonymous
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>>12782130 >Those tiles look like absolute shit at the moment. opinions.
Anonymous
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>>12782153 It's already gotten further than a lot of other 4chan-based projects. Don't be so pessimistic.
Anonymous
>>12782153 I couldn't understand what you were trying to say there.
Anonymous
Trying to flesh out the wiki. Can anyone provide me a brief, one sentence summing up of any of these locations? >inb4 sunken ship is a sunken ship etc
Anonymous
>>12782141 It just seems odd to when they're close together, every tree has that one branch with snow on it. Also, the snow on the trees is shaded with blue yet the ground is shaded with grey.
Anonymous
>>12782153 we've anticipated this as being a problem for months now. The edit I posted was just to keep the map in line with proposed continuity. If the person who had made the map edit before me had kept the storyline in mind I wouldn't have had to do it.
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>>12782170 You still don't to have to do it because they layout is fine. Forcing the scene isn't necessarily bad.
Anonymous
>>12782141 Maybe we could use a simpler snow tile, I'm not too keen on the ones we have at the moment.
Anonymous
>>12782167 he's saying that suggesting changes to the maps wastes time since it places more work on the few mappers we have... of course the mappers wouldn't be posting their maps if they didn't want feedback in the first place, so I don't see how it's a valid argument in the least.
and he used a false argument, he said that only 5/100 of us are "willing" to map... when there are actually tons of people making maps (maze guy for example), they just don't know how to use the RPG program to implement them, but mappers have already said they would help make the maps game useable if people liked them enough.
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>>12782169 Good point. Remove the hanging frost on some of the trees and have it more varied is what your saying?
>>12782180 Not gonna agree with you there. I didn't care for Diamond's and I liked the layered look.
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>12782202 I see your point but I think "tons" is hyperbole, it's like 3 more people. I also wish more people would try to use the damn grid. Most of the time when they type out layouts they want it's unintelligible.
Anonymous
>>12782130 Would it be hard to pop this bad boy in and see how it looks?
Anonymous
>>12782170 >It's the mappers fault for making a map from scratch and not considering a cutscene that may or may not be included. I'm the hero here. Draik !sgg1MEH.f2
>>12782240 Nah, I'll test it out in a bit.
>>12782268 to clear this up a bit. Imade it with the cutscene in mind, the first edit someone made was without the cutscene in mind, and the third, the on this guy is defending goes back towards my design.
Anonymous
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>>12782180 That sure is one lame ass town. Which half baked rom hack is that from?
rhetorical Anonymous
>>12782168 the few that I remember anything about:
Sunken Ship- jettying rocks and the decaying skeletons of sunken ships form an underwater labyrinth filled with treaures and treasure hunters.
Cliff Town- A cliff looks out over ocean, as you make your way down the narrow and jagget path, hanging tight to the cliff face, you eventually find yourself walking along the carved pramanads of an intricut city carved directly into the rocks.
Desert Town A- A ghost town, like a scene from an old western. Dust blows down a barren main street, brittle buildings creek in response to the dry desert wind.
Desert Town B- A lush oasis, beautifuly adorned adobe buildings form the bulk of this peacefull trading community. Explorers, lost or resting from their adventures through the desert swap tales and battles.
Anonymous
>>12782289 My bad. Just couldn't really tell the difference except that the pokemart seems to prevent anyone from escaping.
Anonymous
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>>12782268 I was fixing a shitty edit someone else made you idiot.
Draik !sgg1MEH.f2
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>>12782320 Yeah, that parts all wonky, I just make the actual maps.
Anonymous
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>>12782319 >Cliff Town- A cliff looks out over ocean as you make your way down the narrow and jagged path hanging tight to the cliff face. You eventually find yourself walking along the carved promenades of an intricate city carved directly into the cliff-face. >Desert Town A- A ghost town like a scene from an old Western. Dust blows down a barren main street, brittle buildings creak in response to the dry desert wind, and shady characters watch the tumbleweeds wander by. Fixed some of that for you, good descriptions.
Anonymous
>>12782319 Shouldn't it be the other way around where the oasis is super hard to find = no one there? I thought that was the point of the ballbusting desert. To get to an almost mythical hidden area. Why make it a tourist trap?
Scarred-Zoroark !/73ORiYgDY
Anonymous
I was thinking of a gym team for Foster a while back (before he was confirmed as the first gym leader - he is confirmed as the first gym leader now, yes?), and I've been reworking it now given the stats/abilities/movesets on the wiki (which I don't think are final but are something to work off of right now). I want to give him icetope for type variety/snow warning, but icetope isn't available at that point in the game. Do you think I should stick to ice-types available at that point, or include icetope for a better challenge?
Anonymous
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>>12782386 BULLSHIT! SZ LEFT! YOU AREN'T HIM! THAAAAAAAAAAAAT'S IMPOSSSSSSSSSSSSSIBLE
Draik !sgg1MEH.f2
>>12782386 Holy Crap, you're back! Hallejewya!
>>12782375 Yeah the oasis is super hidden in my version. Like 3 people there max.
Anonymous
>>12782386 Wonderful to see you back, but...
Anonymous
>>12782386 I don't like that he doesn't have visible arms. He him look too bland. Could you try giving him just two little arms?
Anonymous
>>12782375 I was more going along the line of reasoning that the oasis is a place of refuge, everyone who crosses the desert gets there eventually, but not everyone who reaches the oasis wants to leave. It's a well stocked town, because traders who have to cross the desert always stop in to rest and make trade.
Gunvarrel !Oq/9NMk1yg
Anonymous
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>>12782386 Are you back to stay
Anonymous
>>12782375 They aren't real people Anonymous
Scarred-Zoroark !/73ORiYgDY
>>12782415 Im not back, had a bit of spare time figured i'd pick something with art that could be a bit buffed up to help it in surveys, that and i needed the practise
Anonymous
>>12782423 Redesign the Snogre line.
Anonymous
>>12782417 Good thing he didn't sprite it then.
Anonymous
>>12782423 Unless you can do backsrpites
Cave Spider 2, Mare prevo, Holy shit Thoraxe is in?, Cahayn evos, Monkeyzumas, LAVOON, Ankillosore,
Gunvarrel !Oq/9NMk1yg
Anonymous
>>12782435 >http://capx.wikia.com/wiki/TM_and_HM_list hm...frost breath is 40BP but it always crits, do you guys think that's weak enough for the first gym? I feel it may be a little too difficult to deal with at that point. At the same time though, people have had to deal with worse (Roark's Cranidos had a 70BP (non-STABd) headbutt coming off 125 base attack, and I'm not using wendingo because I feel it's too difficult this early with its 90 base attack)
Anonymous
>>12782483 >sugiing the mon with one of the lowest approval ratings The message stands
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>>12782505 >Newfags >>12782510 I reserve the right to be cheeky.
Anonymous
>>12782505 S-sorry, I don't know what your job is. Spriting?
>>12782418 Like this, only not as shittily done.
Gunvarrel !Oq/9NMk1yg
>>12782492 I know what's available I just can't decide where to start. Go ahead and pick anything, including backsprites.
Anonymous
>>12782428 That doens't matter. There should be no NPCs for the same reason there are no NPCs at the end of a dungeon. Putting people there, let alone a bustling market place defeats the whole point of it being tucked away in a giant desert and hard for the player to find.
Anonymous
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>>12782506 Sounds great. Game is supposed to be tougher anyways.
Anonymous
>>12782505 sprite a better raviolibib.
Gunvarrel !Oq/9NMk1yg
>>12782530 Oh it's okay! I was just making fun of my inability to do designs and draw in general. I usually do spriting or just wiki organization!
Anonymous
>>12782532 Cave spider 2
waifu~ Draik !sgg1MEH.f2
>>12782419 Nah bro, Oasis is a mirage, it isnt even there most of the time. Ofcourse, this is all my version. Not official
http://i.imgur.com/AkP8AN5.jpg >>12782461 Damn. do another before you leave?
Anonymous
>>12782532 Don't have to tell me. Choice is daunting some times.
Do these backsrpites
>>12777318 they the ones we need asap
Anonymous
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>>12782543 Gotcha, I'll try to remember that for now on.
Anonymous
>>12782542 Everytime someone posts that I ask for it to use this tail
And it never gets done.
Anonymous
>>12782563 What's the difference?
Anonymous
>>12782402 I don't think icetope fits, but I usually trainers use mon you haven't encountered yet. I'd go with Wendingo instead.
Anonymous
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>>12782573 The silouette and less mishmash of wings
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>12782536 then it shouldn't be a town at all, and just be an oasis
but I don't think you understand the point of an oasis, an oasis is a self sustaining ecosystem trapped in the center of a vast desert, it's a place where, if a small group of settlers made it there, they could easily build it up into a thriving town. They certainly wouldn't build a town there and then suddenly abandon it.
Anonymous
>>12782536 it can be a thriving city, it's basically Pacifidlog Town but with deserts instead of water.
Gunvarrel !Oq/9NMk1yg
>>12782542 I know its totally taboo to say but I actually really like the current version of this sprite already. I don't think I'd be able to do it justice anyways. >>12782545 I guess I'll try that.
>>12782551 The only ones left are either birds or front sprites going through modification, which is why I haven't worked on any of those lately.
.. Well actually I guess I have that drawing someone did for Aguanaut now that I think about it. Might work on that.
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>12782547 >Nah bro, Oasis is a mirage No, an oasis is an Oasais...
A mirage is a mirage.
Anonymous
>>12780486 Woah, so much retardation.
Did you even read what your pic said?
Anonymous
>>12782597 >then it shouldn't be a town at all, and just be an oasis I've never seen anything official calling it a town
> if a small group of settlers made it there I'd stress the if.
Anonymous
>>12782619 my problem with the current riblivie is that it's face makes it look like barney the dinosaur had an abortion.
Anonymous
>>12782578 Wendingo's 85 base speed and 90 base attack is scaring me, but I'll make a set for it anyways just in case. Guess I'm making a set for every ice-type except for bluffin (who at the level of the gym just wouldn't be difficult enough, flying-type doesn't add enough benefit and moves/stats are weak at that point)
Anonymous
>>12782637 >>12782613 >>12782597 Think this is one of those things we can only solve with democracy or bare knuckle boxing.
Gunvarrel !Oq/9NMk1yg
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>>12782647 I think its really cute, and I'm super biased towards cute things.
Anonymous
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>>12782648 I don't into stats, but he could be the lowest level of the bunch I guess.
Anonymous
>>12782637 sorry, they guy was asking for descriptions of a "Desert Town"... I assumed he meant the oasis, since that's the only possible place a town could exist in the middle of the fucking monstrous desert we've designed...
of course now the description of the desert town being a major trading spot fits even better now that I know it's the last stop before people head out into the desert.
Anonymous
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>>12782660 I agree.
just the way I like it.
Anonymous
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>>12782673 That guy here.
I'm just going off what I've been given, and that list has a desert town, an oasis, a desert cave, a desert pass, and Cliff city all pretty much located in or around the desert.
Draik !sgg1MEH.f2
>>12782626 yeah, but its a mirage oasis, See that map i linked? Go talk to the tree in the middle. Sandstorm blocks the screen, Holyshit Oasis. once you walk to the point where the grass is off screen, even if you turn back, Bam! its gone again. so yeah, houses, but not nearly a town.
>>12782673 See, a town at the edge works.
Anonymous
Anonymous
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>>12782673 I've also been told the crossroad town is a bustling western tradecenter if that factors into it (which it probably should)
Anonymous
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>>12782712 I just realized that I didn't correct the colors when I copied it over, gimme a second
Anonymous
>>12782153 the same thing we are doing with mons designs. And we are doing good but yep it takes time.
So go to hell
Anonymous
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>>12782634 haha, as the guy he was "arguing" with, the irony center of my brain almost exploded.
Anonymous
>>12782705 >but its a mirage oasis perhaps a psychic vision forced into your mind by the gypsy mantis?
Anonymous
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>>12782746 >weighing in on an argument that ended an hour ago Anonymous
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>>12782754 NONE SHALL ENTER GRAVOLLUM'S MYSTERY RETREAT!
Anonymous
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>>12782712 >>12782563 There, I think I got everything.
Local Moose Friend !isnn/AUU0c
Look what came in the mail today!
Anonymous
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>>12781987 >Seriously, some of our names UNDER the limit are too long and clumsy Roygibiv
Anonymous
>>12782929 >That Calendar You're going to get Clash jelly over that fabric lol
Anonymous
>>12782237 The grid is shit
Dia !7zfFcmVqWQ
Anonymous
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>>12782929 well shit... they'll think you're a Sanguinarian
Local Moose Friend !isnn/AUU0c
>>12782964 It's for him. I can't sell it on Spoonflower so I'm just going to ship him my proofs.
What about muh calendar.
Anonymous
>>12782968 Because you're too lazy to use it?
Anonymous
>>12782968 the grid is fantastic.
Anonymous
>>12782999 It's a picture of you if I remember how you look correctly.
Anonymous
>>12783016 the paves path looks pretty ugly and unnatural; why would anyone pave a hedge maze
at least use the grey path tiles we have
Local Moose Friend !isnn/AUU0c
>>12783034 Haha, you have a good memory! It's the calendar i modeled for!
Anonymous
>>12783002 I actually use rpg maker to map. I just think the grid is too abstract. the ms paint sketches would be much easier to follow.
after all you still get the same basic areas of everything.
Anonymous
>>12783044 We had grass tiles there and people wanted the paved tiles.
Anonymous
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>>12783044 the point is that the grids transfer to maps just fine and people should use them if they want to help but can't into RPG Maker.
Anonymous
>>12783065 What's the fabric for exactly? Bedsheets?
Local Moose Friend !isnn/AUU0c
>>12783101 Anything, really. It's just a yard of patterned erycoons. I think he wanted to make a blanket for it.
I have a Fuelong/Crackling windsock on my account, too, but I haven't ordered the proofs yet. I'm too lazy.
Anonymous
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>>12783077 >>12783044 >>12783016 I think it would look cute as little grey and tan stepping stones with moss and mushrooms growing up between them, but there's not a tile for that right now, and since it's just a concept for a post game area anyway I don't see why it matters right now.
there are literally more important things you guys could be arguing about right now.
Anonymous
I come back 5 months later and all the cool motherfuckers now look like shit.
Anonymous
>>12783016 Fixed. That fake wall stuff was never supposed to be about cutting. Can you imagine having to walk around trying to but down every bush?
Anonymous
>>12783126 you left and the surveys suffered... that's what you get when you forget to cast your vote in a democracy.
Draik !sgg1MEH.f2
Anonymous
(1/2)
Anonymous
>>12783126 You got old anon, we all did. FOXDIE is killing me as we speak. But don't give up Snake, live your own life.
>>12783117 I better have pics of the completed blanket soon
with him in it Anonymous
>>12783147 the point was that no one would try and cut the wall because no one would know it would do anything, accept the oldfags that were ITT when the maze was being designed.
Anonymous
>>12783169 (2/3) I was wrong, this actually takes up 3 posts. I may have gotten way too into this.
So uh, my input on each set:
Frost Breath is the primary attack on each pokemon because a)it's the tm and b)it's strong STAB. Goes without saying on each set.
>Cubzero Pretty simple set, used best as the second pokemon to get a KO with quick attack on something that was weakened. Bite for ice resisters. Growl is filler. Snow Cloak benefits from hail if Icetope is used. Due to similarities with Wendingo, only one of these two should be used.
>Pengliff Again, simple. Most likely used as a lead unless Icetope is used. Peck can hit Iguadiam SE if someone tries to come in with Aguade, and as a 100% accurate finisher if the AI doesn't want to risk double slap missing on a weakened ice resister. Growl is filler. Ice body benefits from hail if Icetope is used.
>Snome This one was fun. Taunt and Torment benefit from Prankster, stopping boosters/status inflictors (assuming Growmeo/Tuliep have powders) and screwing over pokemon with one usable attack (well, half the time). Tackle to hit ice resisters.
Anonymous
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>>12783075 If you have photoshop you can scale the used grid down to one pixel per box. Then it is an MSpaint sketch. The grid is just easier for the map maker people to use.
Anonymous
>>12783188 I wouldn't put icetope in there I know it's ice type and all but you really have to consider if the pokemon fits the leader.
Tileanon !dJ6DTaYuFo
>>12783180 Bitch, I made the hedge tiles, used the design to make the map and was the one who suggested fake passages in the first place.
So trust me that cutting was never brought up.
Anonymous
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>>12783169 >>12783188 (3/3)
>Icetope Icetope is being considered because of the type variety he brings to an otherwise completely ice type (most importantly, a neutrality to fighting) and for Snow Warning. Hail is
objectively the worst weather, so it's not too difficult, plus we aren't putting Blizzard on anything. The main purpose of Snow Warning would be to allow Pengliff and Wendingo to stall a bit with Ice Body+Hail Damage, and I guess the evasion boost on Cubzero (though personally I'm not a fan of that). Most likely used as a lead to set hail up. Smog for poison STAB but mostly for that high poison chance. Mist can stop stat droppers which are common in the beginning of the game. Tackle is filler. Some people may not like Icetope being used this early as it is not available until later.
>Wendingo My trouble with Wendingo is that he has 90 base attack and 85 base speed (comparable: out of first-gym pokemon, Roark's Cranidos had the most similar attack with 125, and Falkner's Pidgeotto with 70 base speed). Wendingo also has 75 base sp.atk (comparable: Falkner's pidgeotto with 60 base attack), which is a monster coupled with a STAB essentially 80BP move.
However, this game is meant to be more challenging, so it's a possibility. Bite and Tackle for type coverage.
Howl boosts your attack for Bite/Tackle. Intimidate can be used to cripple physical threats like Fawning and Iguadium. Ice Body benefits from hail is Icetope is used, but can also be used just so Wendingo doesn't have Intimidate if Intimidate would make it too difficult. Due to similarities with Cubzero, only one of these two should be used. I believe Wendingo isn't available until later in the game, so some people may not like Wendingo being used this early as it is not available until later. Could be wrong on that however.
Wendingo and Icetope are the only ones with stats that are really noticable (and Icetope's 80 base sp.def isn't a huge deal), everyone else is pretty even.
Anonymous
>>12783158 >>12783152 I mean, not all changes are bad, but what the fuck happened to Aguanaut
Anonymous
>>12783214 this is actually a really good point I didn't consider. I don't think Foster would let something so toxic around kids.
Icetope is pretty much out. Pretty much Cubzero vs Wendingo at this point.
Draik !sgg1MEH.f2
>>12783253 lol I like this aguanaut He reminds me of a Kaiju. Or hell, a pokemon.
Anonymous
>>12783253 How did it used to look?
Anonymous
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>>12783221 actually, I designed the maze, and then you suggested false walls, then I suggested they behave like cut walls, and then I didn't hear any other feed back on the idea so I took the silence as consent. Sorry for that, I meant it with the best intentions. I think the problem I have with the walls simply being false is that players will discover them too easily, but if they're cut walls then the player won't realize they can walk through if they didn't already know.
Anonymous
>>12783253 it's much more widely accepted now than it used to be, you're probably just a member of the 1/3 of people who'll end up not liking it's design.
Anonymous
Don't poke the bear
>>12783260 Which out of those two do you prefer?
Tileanon !dJ6DTaYuFo
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>>12783260 Giving him a team of mon you could have already caught outside is lame. Wendingo forever.
Anonymous
>>12783260 Giving him a team of mon you could have already caught outside is lame. Wendingo 4eva.
Anonymous
>>12783329 I like your opinions
tileanon Anonymous
>>12783282 >>12783266 >>12783261 What most annoys me is the fact that you changed the artist half way through it's evolution, and it's so fucking obvious because the design stands out from the rest and just doesn't seem to fit in.
I know my opinion won't change shit but still.
Anonymous
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>>12783375 Actually thats the same artist bub. Guy made the minarac and indrolith lines too
Anonymous
>>12783297 I think Wendingo is still kawaii enough for the children, and without hail I feel there's a lack of challenge with the gym so far.
>>12783329 also brings up a valid point, it'd be a bit weird if you could challenge the gym leader with all his same team. Hell, you couldn't get nosepass that early in RSE.
I would say go with Pengliff Lv.12, Snome Lv.12, and Intimidate Wendingo Lv.14. But I'd like to hear community input since this is a community project. Also I'm assuming there should be a vote on this?? I just don't think people really care about gym leader teams yet, but we need Foster for the demo.
Tileanon !dJ6DTaYuFo
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>>12783355 heh, that's why I went so long without a trip. I knew i would leave it on accidentally and people would think my opinions had weight.
Not to be confused with the mistake I made here
>>12783221 Just trying to prove I was in the thread at the time and was only jokingly angry. With the jokingly probably not coming across very clearly.
But live and learn. I'm sure the future holds a bunch more interesting mistakes for me to make.
Anonymous
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>>12783403 I'd be happy with that team although I wish there was some to acknowledge that snome is favorite.
9/10 would vote for. Ask the shitty new surveyor for a survey. Or wait and see if there's a consensus
Anonymous
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>>12783375 >ignoring the fact that we take designs from everyone and a special few try to sugi them for a standardized look afterwards. Just look at Lavoon or the manti
Anonymous
>>12783403 I just keep going back to Brock having Geodude and Onix, first of which iirc you couldn't get that early and Onix was super hard to find. Then Misty who had the Starhue etc which were way late game.
Other games prolly followed suit, but being an old timer they are the ones I remember the most distinctly.
Could always just remove some of those guys from the surrounding area. Just a thought.
Anonymous
>>12783483 I don't want to mess with the early route pokemon, we'd have to rework some of their BST to accommodate for being later in the game and they fit the area they're in.
I think this is a good one. What do you guys think? Also where is survey guy, and can he include this in the next batch of surveys (question being "should foster use this team?" with yes/no as answers and a comments box for any issues people have with it)
Anonymous
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>>12783543 Thank you putting what the natures do. I don't remember that stuff offhand. Very nicely made.
Anonymous
Anonymous
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>>12783543 Couple thoughts
I thought only the signature pokemon (the last one) got the TM move.
Snogre is his signature because they share the same beard [citation needed]
And Pengliff has 2 SA moves against the grass starter. Just pointing that out.
Anonymous
>>12783543 His signature Pokemon is Snome/Snogre (rematch); it should be last and his best. Why cant' people understand this?
Clash !BMy7CLasHA
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Home from orientation, will be leaving now to a friends. Have a good evening everyone!
>>12782929 Yesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyes
Erycoon blankie get ready for snuggles!
Oh gosh I can't wait!
Next order of business is looking to get me and Erycoon plushie<3 >>12783173 Maybe...
Just maybe~ Anonymous
>>12783786 Because it's only being brought up now, and I'm pretty sure the only place that's on record is the super sketchy gym leaders wiki page.
Anonymous
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>>12783543 Brave raises attack and lowers speed.
Anonymous
>>12783810 It's been around since his conception. It's brought up every time his team is discussed
Anonymous
>>12783844 I mean this time.
Anonymous
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>>12783844 Just tweak the team a little and make snome lvl 14 then.
Anonymous
>>12783854 Still, newfags who don't know their shit shouldn't be deciding things.
Anonymous
>>12783786 Dude's volunteering his time, probably new to team assembly (and gym leaders in general), and he's been keen on imput. Why can't people understand this?
Anonymous
>>12783875 >People Whoa buddy, that was one guy. I'm first to tell a newfag off if he he's being a dick but this guy is doing something I wanted people to start for a long time. He's doing it well too, imo.
Anonymous
>>12783875 >I'm not good at team assembly >Oh look a Pokemon fan-game project >I don't know much about it >ILL JUST BLINDLY MAKE THE TEAMS LOL Anonymous
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>>12783868 1) nothing is getting decided. dude's making proposals and even mentioned surveying them. (Why does everyone treat these threads as stone setting?)
2) Oldfags have had plenty of time to do it themselves.
Anonymous
>>12783923 It's better than posting another Flairees redesign. There really are more worthwhile things you could be whining about right now.
Anonymous
>>12783952 Nah, he's most likely one of the people who are too lazy to actually creatively contribute so he just whines and bitches at those who do.
He's also busy attacking strawmen so let him keep being a cunt.
Anonymous
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>>12783921 Was using guys words against him.
I just get a little ticked when people put their time and effort into stuff and people get bitchy when it isn't up to some dbags standards. Granted statistically a lot of things put up here kinda suck, but Teamanon's earned no flack in my book. Even if he is a bit green, s been listening to people's input and that's more than you get from a lot of people.
>tldr rock on teamanon, ignore that dude. Anonymous
>>12783975 Nah, I'm just in a bad mood today. I probably shouldn't have posted my whining either. I'll just let it go while I still have my dignity. At least he knows now.
Anonymous
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>>12784049 Scool man. I was there yesterday.
Peace
Anonymous
Thanks for the input guys. I'm not going to directly reply to everything because a lot of discussion happened about it. So, here's what I've come up with:
>Snome being the signature pokemon is a good point. I had a feeling Snome was the original intended signature ( >>12782402 ), however with the introduction of Wendingo (which is naturally stronger), I made it his signature since I wasn't getting any feedback (at the time) that it was super important to have Snome be the signature. I've corrected this and made Snome his highest level. To weaken Wendingo I could give it ice body instead of intimidate or leer instead of howl if you guys feel the 2 level difference isn't enough distinction between which of them is his signature. I also added levels to the graphic. >corrected Brave to say -spe instead of -def. I had the nature right, just slipped on the stats. thank you correction anon. >BW2 challenge mode had all pokemon on the team use the signature TM. Since those are the most recent games released I decided it would be good to follow that (plus, with reusable TMs why wouldn't the gym leader put his/her signature TM on everything?). If you guys don't like this it's an easy fix, just need to switch out frost breath for icy wind on pengliff/wendingo >pengliff having peck as because my choice was between peck, pound, and icy wind. frost breath will always do more damage to foliat, peck is just for iguadium/finishing weakened ice resisters to not risk the double slap miss. would icy wind be a better choice for the speed drop? I was doing this months ago before the TMs and gym leaders were confirmed, but it wasn't the right time so I was told to save it until later. With the maps being on their way and Foster confirmed for the first leader I figured it was time to start up again. I'm sorry if there was confusion, I'm not just some new guy trying to take over the project, I'm just trying to get something settled for the demo comments/suggestions?
Anonymous
>>12784280 I really like the way you're handling this. I think the attacks, levels, and natures are fine. Good work so far.
Anonymous
>>12784280 Sorry I bitched at you about Snome. Nice job fixing it.
Anonymous
>>12783543 For gym leader teams, we need to make the comment box mandatory if you say "no" No comment = thrown out
Anonymous
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>>12784342 I agree. We don't want it to be like those threads where people do a redesign and one guy is just like "it's shitty 0/10 would not train" but doesn't give any reasoning or input. This is all a subjective process so it's really >opinions, but if you don't have a reason for your opinion then we can't adjust things to make it closer to what you want. Common sense etc. Thank you for input.
>>12784301 >>12784336 Thank you.
Anonymous
>>12784280 For Wendingo, Leer/Scratch/Ice Breath/howl @11 works. Or just two Pokemon. I dont recall voting on team size but maybe we did
Anonymous
>>12784425 Team size wasnt voted on, personally I feel like 3 should be the minimum for gym leaders/to fit cheren's team size for BW2 challenge mode, but that could be negotiated.
That set could work if Wendingo needs to be weakened. I have it saved just in case, or I can change it now if there's enough support for it.
We're past bump limit, should we start a new thread?
Anonymous
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>>12784468 No. We start a new thread when this one falls off the edge of page 10. Or on the rare occasion we hit image limit
Anonymous
I'm closing the Multiple Sprites Survey 3 in one hour. Vote while you still can!
>>12777318 Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
Anonymous
Gunvarrel !Oq/9NMk1yg
>>12784611 Hey SNS, I was wondering if you'd be interested in helping me set up sort of sprite critique surveys sometime in the near future. I posted about them ages ago, but it's basically just a QC for sprites so we can make sure they're in the right style, consistent in evolutionary lines, at a good size, etc. I figure it'd be a good follow-up for all your multiple sprite surveys, and we could test it out by QCing the demo Pokemon once they're all ready.
Would probably look something like pic.
Anonymous
>>12784717 This is a great idea.
Anonymous
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>>12782929 >you will never have an erycoon blanket Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
>>12784717 I could help with that, its a great idea.
Gunvarrel !Oq/9NMk1yg
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
Is everybody cool with this being the next Multiple Sprites Survey?
Anonymous
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>>12784849 If just standing there aguade wins again I will personally end everyone here
Anonymous
>>12780016 So you want the old cream body? I can do that.
>>12782929 Cute! Where did you order that? Can they make minky prints?
>>12784717 Great idea! You should add menu icons too since they're an important part of the game.
I'd say hold on the overworld until we get more and poll them separately or lump them in with NPCs.
Anonymous
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>>12784849 This looks fine. I wish we had another Shibalbat sprite because it's such a cool design and those poses are so boring. But beggars can't be choosers.
Local Moose Friend !isnn/AUU0c
>>12784892 I made it myself and I can't sell it due to not being allowed making profit off the game. Where I made it doesn't sell minky. What would you use minky for on a patterned fabric??
Anonymous
Will be publishing the hm survey in a few hours.
Anonymous
>>12784849 Any chance you preface the comments section with "what do you like/dislike"
For like batman having A eyes but B forehead
Anonymous
>>12784921 >It will not allow overlapping of the options. It'll just be one or the other. Anonymous
>>12784906 Just out of general curiosity, there's some designs for plush I'd like to make like pic related but paint or embroidery would ruin the softness.
Anonymous
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>>12784950 The mushrooms are my favorite family.
I want a shuffle plush
Gunvarrel !Oq/9NMk1yg
>>12784849 I don't think Shibalbat needs one since the first sprite doesn't match the current design. Also the Iguadium edit is super minor so I'm not sure what to do about that one.
>>12784892 The menu icon is on there! That's one thing I especially want QC'd since there are a lot of them using the wrong colors and there isn't much size consistency.
Anonymous
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>>12784921 And for those who don't understand why overlap is bad.
it's because each of the options serve the exact same purpose. Having more than one is redundant and just plain ol stupid
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
>>12784994 I think Iguadium needs to stay so people can decide which colors they want for the sprite, but if Shibalbat is outdated then I'll remove it.
It shouldn't be on the wiki if its outdated Gunvarrel !Oq/9NMk1yg
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>>12785008 Yeah it shouldn't be on there but I didn't want to remove it since it could be used for making a new one. But that was before the graveyard. I'll move it over now.
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
Anonymous
>>12784849 Add those Holiquin sprites that are on the wiki.
Gunvarrel !Oq/9NMk1yg
Anonymous
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>>12785045 Peeelosa is a cutie
Anonymous
>>12785051 But they're both horrible
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
>>12785051 After the Filtration Question, Surveymonkey limits me to 9 questions. I'll see if I can add it to the next one.
>>12785056 I'll put it up after I post the results to Part 3.
>>12784943 I can do that.
Anonymous
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>>12785066 ur mom is horrible
Anonymous
>>12785066 With better shading they could be decent.
Anonymous
>>12785080 Could you include this in a survey (I don't think it needs it's own)?
>>12784280 you could just add that image to the survey image, and the question could just be like "are you okay with this team for the first gym battle with Foster?" with yes/no as answers, and a comment box for people to give suggestions.
Also
>>12784342 suggested:
>For gym leader teams, we need to make the comment box mandatory if you say "no" No comment = thrown out which I thought was a good idea if we could make that happen
Anonymous
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>>12784994 >shibababa I think it's just the forhead, I actually like the old face
Anonymous
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>>12785114 With better poses they could be decent.
just standing there poses are bad enough. Giving a Fucking clown a boring pose is just insulting.
and the other one that uses the artwork pose is shit too. Fuck that pose.
Hiloquin needs to be doing some acrobatic shit
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
>>12785143 Sure.
Uhhh.. guys? What do we do when a vote is literally split 50/50? Icetope is kind of tied right now.
Anonymous
>>12785203 Use the account I gave you goombahead
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
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>>12785218 I'm planning on it. This was the last survey started on my account.
Local Moose Friend !isnn/AUU0c
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>>12784953 If you use an airbrush you'll be ok. Also I hear watered down acrylic and a tooth brush works, too. Otherwise you can top stitch (zigzag) the stripes on.
Anonymous
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>>12785045 The only difference between the aguades are the colors. I dont think we really need to vote for that, just use what is more accurate to the art.
Anonymous
Reminder to spriters: do not use the pose in the artwork unless it's an interesting one. Also try to avoid plain, just standing there poses.
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
MULTIPLE SPRITES SURVEY 3 RESULTS:
http://i.imgur.com/sVsoYTM.png Pic Related are the winners. If someone wants to move the losers to the Sprite Graveyard it would be much appreciated.
I honestly have no idea what to do with Icetope. Should I try to resurvey it?
And people really seem to hate both Cahokisect sprites A LOT. If someone wants to try their hand at it, they should go for it.
Anonymous
>>12785285 Then again, judging from Sean's fanbase, people like boring
Anonymous
Now the cream looks too warm?
Gunvarrel !Oq/9NMk1yg
>>12785303 I... guess run it again?
Anonymous
>>12785285 It's perfectly okay some instances. Don't be so militant about it.
Anonymous
>>12785324 Looks great to me. I still don't like how dark the shading on the horn is though, makes it look like it's hooded or something.
Anonymous
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>>12785324 Looks great to me
Anonymous
>>12785303 what
what
what are you fucking kidding me
what
no you people are fucking retarded WHAT
THE HUGE FUCKING DINKY THATS SHITTY QUALITY WON OVER THE SMALLER AND BETTER QUALITY DINKY?
>>12777356 ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME
FUCK YOU PEOPLE
THIS IS QUALITY
>>12777356 compare it to the evo, which is better?
i will not accept this shit
Anonymous
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>>12785336 Well I did say almost always
Anonymous
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>>12785349 I have no idea what's wrong with these people sometimes
Anonymous
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here's an update, I added a guide marker so people can see more easily how things line up.
Anonymous
>>12785349 It looks fine to me. It's hard to discern the details on the smaller one.
Anonymous
Anonymous
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>>12785349 I personally voted for the small one but in its defense, the bigger one is a more accurate shape
Anonymous
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>>12785349 The big one looks like a gen 3 sprite.
cmon people
Anonymous
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>>12785377 Shadings a lot better on the small one.
Anonymous
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>>12785349 There was no sense of scale on the survey and it has a rounder and cuter head. I'm not rally all that surprised.
>>12785336 Still something we should discourage to promote the best we can get.
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
>>12785349 I was surprised by this as well. Most of the comments criticizing the smaller one cited its proportions. If you want, make your own sprite and post it on the wiki, I'll throw it in a survey.
>>12785331 I guess I'm gonna have to. I don't think we've ever gotten a tie like that before though. Crazy shit, man.
Anonymous
>>12785337 Is it the darkness of the shade or the lack of a highlight that's bothering you?
Anonymous
>>12785378 I love this so much.
>>12785404 The darkness of the shade. I'll see if I can fix it in Paint to show what I meant
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>12785311 That's why I'm voting for someone else.
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>>12785378 I actually like some of these a lot, dem spectacle and Solar badges in particular. And It's certainly the most well executed version of the concept so-far.
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>12785417 Cameron or Isaac?
either way, good choice
Anonymous
>>12785414 Okay, here's a highlighted one in case.
Anonymous
>>12785403 hey guy, for the next survey can you make sure to put in this
>>12784717 so we dont get mishaps like that dinky sprite again? Probably should resurvey it too
Anonymous
>>12785426 Speaking of Isaac, I have an idea to make him more than just my mom's Ahab.
will post in a bit
Anonymous
>>12785378 that pile badge, 10/10, would make choosing Flairies totally worth it.
Anonymous
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>>12785429 Oh that does look much better. Here's what I came up with. Guess I was wrong.
Anonymous
>>12785436 too bad, you should have posted the concept back when we were taking water leader submissions. Save it for gen 2 I guess.
Anonymous
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>>12785465 it can still be applied if he wins or becomes an npc like originally intended.
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
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>>12785434 That has way too many questions on it for a simple survey like this. If you want to condense it, go for it.
Anonymous
>>12785454 That means a lot. Really wanted to keep the "Blanket" other people talked about, but blankets are fucking hard to make into a badge. And was trying really hard for a full circle kind of thing.
Gunvarrel !Oq/9NMk1yg
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>>12785349 Hopefully when we start doing QC people realize the smaller sprite is at a better scale.
Anonymous
>>12785499 it's a blanket of snow.
Anonymous
>>12785517 Knew it was double meaning, was just worried if I called it a blanket and had a design like that I would get a would get a couple well deserved wtfs
Anonymous
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>>12785546 >>12785517 "Pile" however has that humble beginnings bit. Believe me, I was thesaurusing for a while trying to come up with something better.
Anonymous
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>>12785434 This shouldn't need to be said, but please be logical when picking real Pokemon for comparisons and state that their evolution stages are a better guideline for sprite size than their listed pokedex size with some exceptions.
Anonymous
Some suggested improvements to the map, right is mine.
Anonymous
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>>12785715 Get out of here while you still can.
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>12785732 W must escape together, my sister.
Anonymous
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>>12785777 Not sure if that's a BG reference.
Anonymous
Dead hours. Guess I'll start an argument.>inb4 just shrink Hornizard
Anonymous
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>>12785862 Maybe the second form should have a sleeker outline? Make it look like it depends on speed and agility to survive rather than just tanking through hits like its final form will.
Anonymous
>>12785862 I don't think the dex art is sized for height comparisons... otherwise potle would be a single pixl and Terrorcotta would only be visible as the tip of a giant tentacle wiggling into view.
Anonymous
http://www.surveymonk ey.com/s/ 8M8VYKK
Part one of Probation survey.
Finally.
Anonymous
>>12785862 yeah annoyed me a tad as well. make it fatter yet??
Anonymous
Anonymous
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Thatguy111 !92/W4GenjM
So what's wrong with the Flairees line?
Anonymous
>>12786211 Flairees itself.
Anonymous
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>>12786018 >inb4 just shrink hornizard >>12786073 Tried fixing it but it lost in the survey. Maybe people just didn't get the issue at hand.
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>>12786168 Tools were already confirmed a few weeks ago. The first question is irrelevant.
Anonymous
>>12786211 your trip mostly
Anonymous
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>>12786253 That entire survey was fucked up and needs to be re-done.
Thatguy111 !92/W4GenjM
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>>12786259 That has nothing to do with Flairees, you goose.
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
>>12786228 >>12786211 DON'T redesign it though. The amount of designs we have for it is ridiculous, I feel sorry for whoever is in charge of that survey.
Anonymous
>>12786168 Wish it said tools to be bought/earned
Anonymous
>>12786292 I knew i forgot an option. Thanks.
Will post a preview before i re-publish it.
Thatguy111 !92/W4GenjM
>>12786275 Didn't plan of redesigning it, I just want it finalized already ;_;
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Anonymous
>>12786311 Any problems here?
Anonymous
>>12786347 Yeah you still use windows media player.
Anonymous
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>>12786401 B-but i dont! i just never took it off my taskbar because fuck it.
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>>12786347 There needs to be 2 questions.
>How should HMs be handled? -With move deleter
-Like TMs
-if they can learn it
>How should we handle Tools? -Purchasable
-Through Sidequests
Tools are confirmed, there's no reason to vote on them.
Anonymous
>>12786421 The whole point of this survey is to avoid overlap.
Tools dont work without traditional HMs, so if other options are chosen, tools need to go.
As i said, this whole issue was dealt with poorly from the beginning.
Anonymous
You need to have Tools or HMs. You can't have both because they make each other redundant. Really having Tools when Pokemon exist is redundant anyway, because one of the biggest themes in the games is Pokemon helping people by doing what they can't.
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>>12786445 How don't they?
We've had survey after survey on this, you need to accept it and move on. Tools are here to stay,
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>>12786470 The people voted in Tools, your opinion is irrelevant.
Anonymous
>>12786421 probelm will always be the same. HMs are rubber banding and invisible walling. tools make it seem like you need something to accomplish to get past that. unlike needing to teach poke to fly, attack rocks or bushes or swim. as if the poke can't figure such shit out without a trainer with 2 magical badges.
Anonymous
>>12786470 You're that overzealous plot guy aren't you?
Anonymous
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>>12786491 That doesn't mean that it isn't retarded.
>>12786495 No, I just see the obvious logical fallacy that nobody else seems to care about.
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>>12786492 But they were VOTED IN. Should we just start redoing everything ever surveyed right now while we're at it?
You are in the minority my friend, accept it and move on. Its really a minor function anyway.
Anonymous
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>>12786474 >How don't they? Because it makes the other options redundant.
If you have auto hms or deletable hms, there is literally no reason to ever get a tool.
>>12786491 It's not a matter of opinion. It was handled poorly. The survey about tools just asked about tools and thats it. Which would be fine if other ideas about handling hms hadnt popped up immediately after. The tools survey was prematurely made without considering anything else. And that's why it needs to be resurveyed.
Allowing for overlap would fuck everything regarding HMs up.
Anonymous
>>12786491 Dude has a point. Just because the majority, and apparently you, are retarded, doesn't make it any less truth.
Humans are only capable of bikes, mass transport, and running by themselves, as well as issuing orders.
Plasma's castle was built via pokemon labor, a building in Kanto was being built by a machop ... As far as I can think of, humans dont even build for themselves. Humans shouldn't have the ability to surf tirelessly or fly or anything of the sort on their own because they aren't magical creatures and wouldn't develop the technology because they have magical creatures.
Anonymous
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>>12786520 Surveys are always final UNLESS the survey was mishandled,like this one.
Anonymous
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>>12786520 >Should we just start redoing everything that contradicts established rules right now while we're at it? Yes. Having tools is the same thing as having a Light-type, or altering the battle mechanics in any way.Both of which we're not doing
Anonymous
>>12786474 Can't have your cake and eat it too.
People bitched they wanted less annoying HMs.
We are giving them several options.
But they can't get everything.
This survey is more clear and concise, and tools will be here to stay if the votes reflect that.
Anonymous
>>12786520 i think hm's should just be tms. pokemon of sufficient evo or lvl can carry trainer. any high power stab move can break barrier, push rocks or whatever is needed.
Anonymous
>>12786536 >>12786492 Being this autistic
You guys are hurting our argument.
In game logic has no place in this.
Anonymous
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>>12786548 >tools will be here to stay if the votes reflect that. This.
If tools are so set in stone, they'll be voted in again.
>>12786559 And then there's this faggot.
No wait,
>>12786563 THIS faggot.
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
>>12786536 The whole foundation of this project is voting. By not respecting that, we are doing a disservice to the project as a whole.
As surveyors, we are servants of the masses. To abuse our powers just because you think you know any more than anyone else is fucking disgraceful.
Anonymous
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>>12786563 Oh. Nevermind. Your post is correct i didnt see the other one you replied to.
>>12786559 >>12786492 are both morons.
My bad
Anonymous
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>>12786574 This. Have a legitimate re-vote.
Anonymous
>>12786520 >You are in the minority my friend Pretty sure that's what voting is for. Proving who is in the minority.
A competent survey with clearly labeled options will settle that once and for all.
Anonymous
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>>12786574 >The whole foundation of this project is voting. By not respecting that, we are doing a disservice to the project as a whole. It wont hurt to allow a vote on the topic to include an option against a highly divisive option.
If the people want it, they'll vote it in a second time. If they don't, it'll be unwritten and tools abandoned. Instead of getting mad someone suggests removing them, ignore it and vote them in. Let the votes see who is right.
Anonymous
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HMs help to emphasize the friendship and bond between Pokemon and trainer. Tools would remove some of that bond
Anonymous
How about we cool our jets and have a presurvey
Anonymous
>>12786574 SNS, get this through your skull.
THE WHOLE ISSUE WAS HANDLED POORLY FROM THE BEGINNING.
IT WAS NOT SURVEYED FAIRLY OR PROPERLY AND NEEDS A REDO BECAUSE OF IT.
REDOS ARE A RARE CASE, BUT NOT FORBIDDEN. THEY DONT HAPPEN SIMPLY BECAUSE PEOPLE DISAGREE WITH THE RESULT, THEY HAPPEN WHEN THE SURVEY IS FLAWED, MUCH LIKE THE PROBATION/CULLING ISSUE A FEW MONTHS AGO. THIS HAS HAPPENED BEFORE AND UNFORTUNATELY IS HAPPENING AGAIN.
Thank you for your time.
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>>12786589 >Pretty sure that's what voting is for We HAD a vote for "Do you want tools?"
There were 2 options.
Yes and No.
Yes got around 76% of the votes. That has nothing to do with how "mishandled" the survey was, 76% of people WANT tools. End of discussion.
Anonymous
>>12786611 >If it gets a resurvey, would you like overlapping options available (auto+tools etc) no no no no no. This shouldnt be an option at all.
It doesnt work period.
Anonymous
>>12786613 people keep saying it's flawed. how was it flawed? because you forgot to vote? i swear there is a swear campaign on any survey ran. it's like fox news on the 2012 election.
Anonymous
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>>12786619 This revote is unofficial as it's non namefag funded right?
So then with all the people who quit over tools, tools will probably score even higher this time. That hurts to think about.
Anonymous
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>>12786632 it's flawed because they jumped the gun and made a vote on it before any other ideas were brought to the table.
IMMEDIATELY after the tools idea came up and the survey went up, people started brainstorming ideas to change HMs.
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Jesus tittyfucking Christ. It's obviously a controversial issue. Have a revote. If so many people want tools in the game then they'll vote them in. There's enough people that don't want them in to justify a revote. Just hold the damn vote and get it over with.
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How about instead of ignoring the masses, we actually survey the answers that people gave us.>Should we have Tools, AutoHMs, or both
Anonymous
>>12786621 Well duh, but might as well get a vote on it. I thought the whole point of this was to do our due diligence. Thus the prevote
Anonymous
>>12786653 >If the original surveys did one thing, they proved that the people DON'T WANT TRADITIONAL HMs. It probed that people dont want traditional hms when tools are the only other option.
Anonymous
>>12786653 As one of the only people here not yelling, may I ask where these survey results are held?
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>>12786657 I got a feeling it could turn out badly, but what the hey, go for it.
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
>>12786660 So tools got voted in when put against traditional HMs then? Just clarifying.
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>>12786672 yes... Actually i kinda fucked up and have no idea where i was going with that hah.
Anonymous
>>12786665 *Where results are kept
>>12786672 I'm curious as well. I can't remember but looking into it might clear this clusterfuck up a bit.
And I preemptively forgive you SNS if you what you were yelling about what wrong. Nuthin but love here man.
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>>12786719 Yep, there we go.
Also funny you bring that one up since it was a resurvey in itself as there was a vote earlier on in the project asking if we should have HMs at all.
Anonymous
Have some shaman fanart remember when you said they couldnt get past Jonathon Quick
Anonymous
>>12786719 So that shows Tool permanence was premature. God, why do I have to fucking write like that.
But anyway, some manner of clarifying vote is called for with all of the options on the table.
Local Moose Friend !isnn/AUU0c
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>>12786754 was he too slow Anonymous
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>>12786754 Why does he have dicks on his face?
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>>12786779 How? The question clearly states "SHOULD TOOLS EXIST?" And over 84% of the people said they should! How is this hard to comprehend? The survey practically spells it out for you!
Anonymous
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>>12786754 A had a gym idea that I'll hold off on, (long story short there are no trainers but wild mon you can't catch or exp farm) and then he is the only one there with a single, unreasonably strong Forthorn
Anonymous
>>12786805 Sigh, thought you were admitting your mistake.
Because autoHMs and deletable HMs weren't given as alternatives.
If tools were the only choice of course they got all the votes. But no telling how it would pan out now that there are alternatives.
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>>12786805 Because other options came immediately afterwards that would conflict with tools but were never surveyed properly.
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
>>12786820 But both Tools AND AutoHms beat out Traditional HMs, there is literally NO REASON for them to be resurveyed! If anything we should pit autoHMs and Tools against each other and ONLY those two. Traditional HMs were disqualified.
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>>12786820 For the record I think tools are really the only option that makes any sense (besides tradition which I have cut my loses with)
But it is just wrong to count tools the winner of a race that the others were not allowed to participate in.
Anonymous
Stop arguing, you're making the puppy cry!
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>12786849 >AutoHms beat out Traditional HMs Well dude, sorry to say you posted one image and that information wasn't on it. I asked for the results to clear things up and all you posted was that tools beat traditional HMs.
I'm just trying to make some sense of this mess.
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>>12786719 Can someone remind me where people still wanted traditional HMs enough to require a survey again?
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>12786889 >posting results from sketcher's overlap ridden survey You know that survey is why we have this big problem right?
Anonymous
>>12786936 Thats irrelevant, out of the 3 times the people were allowed to vote in their traditional HMs, they were shot down.
If we are still using a democratic process then we need to realize that we can't include Traditional HMs because the people already voted against them.
Anonymous
>>12786967 i do agree with this part. Traditional HMs really shouldnt be an option anymore.
Shitty New Surveyor !.vcAfdSp5U
>>12786936 The people voted against HMs at every possible opportunity! That doesn't take a "non-overlapped" survey to figure out that they shouldn't be resurveyed!.
Anonymous
>>12786992 >>12786983 here. i was just being dumb and disregarding your post based off Sketcher's shitty survey.Apologies.
Anonymous
>>12786889 Your Honor, with this new evidence I would like to modify my proposal
Which HM sidestep would you like
Auto/Deletable/Tools
If Tools, how would they be obtained?
Monay/Quests/Both
If undeletable, when do we want the move forgetter?
This schway with everyone?
Keeping in mind I don't actually have the survey key, just make suggestions and fail to defuse arguments?
Oh, and here's a cute turtle to watch for a couple minutes.
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>>12786983 >>12786967 Thank you!
I'm not opposed to any option given, but we need to respect the public's decision.
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>12787014 Almost perfect, but if it's undeletable we HAVE to have a move deleter.
I dont wanna bring up gamefreak mistakes again, but that was terrible in gen 1.
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>>12787009 Its cool. I'm sorry I overreacted.
>>12787014 I'm more than happy with this.
But there technically "should" be an "all of the above" option, but fuck it at this point. Anonymous
>>12787042 >but fuck it at this point. I'll drink to that.
Anonymous
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>>12787035 Yeah, I meant like
Early game, mid game, late game, post game
Just like the other dude had.
Not anywhere wouldn't be on the table.
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>>12787071 There's a point in your life when you learn to accept any small victory you can and not try to push it.
Its called a relationship Anonymous
>>12787042 THE ARGUING IS OVER! HUGS AND COCO FOR EVERYONE! SO SAYS PERISHROOM!
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>>12787111 I fucking love you guys sometimes. No
completely homo.
Anonymous
Now that we got that settled, does this look good?
Anonymous
There's a line between "convenience" and "laziness." Where do we cross the line? I think tools would be cool and original, deletable HMs would be nice, but the whole concept of auto HMs sort of crosses the line.
Anonymous
>>12786889 Holy fuck those inconsicive and biased results.
I remember it though; I voted A and then B, so I'm not just a sore loser. First option is implying that you can use an overworld move JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE IT, and the second is suggesting a) Its impossible to get stuck by removing HMs; b) HMs aren't Pokemon's "broken bridge", and a design element common to RPGs to impede advancement of the player, in order to prevent the story being broken, and c) that tools exist already and will in fact be used.
Worse, the first one implies that EVERY SINGLE HM WILL GET TOOLS when its only like, 3. Flash, Rock Climb, and Cut.
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>>12787199 Perfect. Wait a little to get a good consensus first though.
Anonymous
>>12787199 >being able to use the ability is the pokemon can learn What the fuck am i reading?
Anonymous
>>12787207 I draw the line at tools and deletable HMs. By then it's reeeeaaaaallly convenient. Why do you need both?
Anonymous
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>>12787243 oops, meant if, not is.
Anonymous
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>>12787247 >Why do you need both? You dont. Which is why this resurvey doesnt allow for overlap.
Anonymous
>>12787199 Also, how should they* be acquired, purchasable*
just some minor corrections.
>>12787207 We cross the line at whatever the majority wants.
I already know I wont like their result, because while they want to make the hardest, edgiest Pokemon game ever, they dont want roadblocks to hinder their smogoning. Really, making every HM based move good was a far better option than tools but its also a forgotten one
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>>12787214 Literally 2 questions later.
Anonymous
>>12787280 That should have come BEFORE the other questions, in a separate survey. I.e., established and set in stone prior to deciding how HMs as a whole are handled. This is exactly what another anon meant by the gun was jumped and the survey was HEAVILY reactive.
Anonymous
>>12787279 >Really, making every HM based move good was a far better option than tools but its also a forgotten one That can still be voted on as it wouldnt make any of the other options redundant.
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>>12787299 It was early, but the people still decided that in whatever format, the idea of tools were more preferable than the idea of traditional HMs.
Anonymous
>>12787313 Can we include it in the survey, then, if we make the one being discussed atm?
Something like Flash working on all opponents in multis, and lowering acc by 2 stages in single, Cut being grass-typed and/or having a special effect of ANY sort, Rock Smash being stronger than 40 fucking BP and increasing defense drops, etc.
I, personally, am okay with HMs being borderline Disc One Nukes, if they're Disc three junk. I.e., Cut doesnt have to be better than Solar beam, it just has to be better than vine whip, even if doing so makes it overpowered for the first few gyms
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>>12787313 I don't think it would fare well in a survey. You would then have a good move, but you'd still need to devote another moveslot to an HM. If that survey showed anything, its that the people will take anything over having to give up a moveslot. All 3 of the alternatives to it won.
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>all this fuss
Anonymous
>>12787373 yeah, that sounds ok.
But for now it's just going to be "should some HMs be adjusted to be more effective in battle" as a yes/no question.
If Yes wins, we discuss it more like anything regarding custom moves before things get official.
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>>12787408 Im okay with this. Anyone who's played pokemon for more than a few years or stalks bulbapedia realizes changing a few moves/rebalancing isn't something they've never done (though I can't fathom why they buffed Zap cannon...), so i don't think anyone introduced post-completion would complain.
Hows that showdown server coming along, by the way?
Anonymous
>>12787373 if we did boost HM power, which we likely wont...
I would suggest cut being grass or steel type, and having a 20% chance of hitting critical.
Flash should lower the foes accuracy 1 stage, while raising the players accuracy 1 stage. (since the whole point of it is to help you see better)
Strength should be made Fight type
Rock smash should have a 100% chance of lowering the foes def. (sort of like a reverse rollout)
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>>12787477 I think we should hold that conversation until we find out if we want them in the first place or not. If someone doesn't like one of those ideas, they have a better chance of not voting for it. That should be a whole nother survey.
Anonymous
well? I'd like to publish this before i go to bed.
Anonymous
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>>12787522 >implying my intention isn't to bias the voters ahead of time. Anonymous
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>>12787522 Im guessing by his first line, he was stating "Once HMs have been decided on how they will be dealt with, we can vote to boost them or not. If we do, here's one method of raising them."
Anonymous
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>>12787534 This looks good to me.
Anonymous
>>12787534 you should clarify in question 1 option 3 that the tools don't require a specific pokemon to be in your party in order to use them.
Anonymous
>>12787560 i think it's pretty obvious that you wouldnt need the pokemon if the tool has the same function.
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Anonymous
>>12787580 if the tool has the same function as a TRADITIONAL HM then you WOULD need the pokemon.
obviously it's not obvious or else I would have assumed that to be the case and we wouldn't be discussing it right now.
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>>12787604 or maybe you're just dumb. I jest, I jest
not really . I'll elaborate.
Anonymous
Publishing this motherfucker. I gotta go to bed.
http://www.surveymonke y.com /s/SBH27RM
Anonymous
Is this a better Howlequin battle sprite pose?
Anonymous
MFW mean spritied assholes vote for anything other than traditional+tools.
Anonymous
>>12787642 it's somehow less infuriating than the official art, but no.
He should be doing some sort of crazy acrobatic doggy trick like balancing on one leg or something stupid.
Y'know, like a clown.
Anonymous
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>>12787642 is it psychic type?
Anonymous
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>>12787654 >implying deletable isnt the best option Honestly, i'll be ok with any option winning.
Anonymous
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>>12787654 Dunky pls go. For good this time
Anonymous
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>>12787656 I've been on 4chin for 3 years and I never knew people could even get angry about pokemon until I started browsing here a year ago. I mean fuck I didn't gen wars were a thing until I came here, how the fuck can people even stand to have the same argument every single day.
Then again I only used to go to this thread but now it's summer and /co/ is intolerable Anonymous
Anonymous
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>>12787749 i can dig it
>>12787724 adorable. that could work too
Anonymous
>>12787626 Theres no way I voted on that survey but it says I did already.
Im guessing someone voted with my IP. Or Im a retard and forgot.
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>>12788203 Exact same thing happened to me.
Anonymous
Anonymous
We're about to fall off guys.
Anonymous
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>>12788258 Thanks for the heads up.
>>12788256 What the fuck is going on with this survey?
>bareful Uncertain Anonymous
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>>12787477 I like the idea of cut as bug-type.
Flash should be dark type just for shiggles.
Anonymous
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>>12787626 Says I took it already too, did you edit an older one instead of making anew survey?
Clash !BMy7CLasHA
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Just got home so tired, have to wake up in 6 hours... going to bed now.
New Thread
>>12788537 >>12788537 New Thread
>>12788537 >>12788537 New Thread
>>12788537 >>12788537 Anonymous
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>>12786867 >Chihaha's SpAtk sharply rose! >Chihaha used Dark Pulse!
