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Anonymous Thu 11 Jul 2013 02:02:43 No.12956703 View View Reply Original Report

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I ain't afraid of no fairies

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Jul 2013 02:05:39 No.12956738 Report

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please, we all know it'll be 4x weak

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Jul 2013 02:06:12 No.12956748 Report

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That's why We like you sableye

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Jul 2013 02:08:30 No.12956764 Report

Quoted By: >>12956797 >>12956832

>ways for Sableye to continue having no weaknesses
1. The damage calculation that found dark is weak to fairy is incorrect because the damage formula has been changed
2. ghost resists fairy
3. both

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Jul 2013 02:12:14 No.12956797 Report

Quoted By: >>12958736

>>12956764
both would mean Sableye resists fairy, not just being neutral

So outside of having no weaknesses how does Sableye get any better in gen VI?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Jul 2013 02:14:57 No.12956832 Report

Quoted By: >>12956848

>>12956764
I thought the damage calculation pointed toward dark being neutral to fairy unless Fairy Wind had sub 40 bp?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Jul 2013 02:17:09 No.12956848 Report

Quoted By: >>12956879 >>12956939

>>12956832
What we found out was that it's impossible for a 2x effective stab move to do 100 damage because of the randomizer min/max damage before the 2x multiplier, but a 4x effective move can do 100 damage because it can hit 25 before the 4x multiplier.

Of course the order of operations may have been changed, the formula has changed across generations before

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Jul 2013 02:19:39 No.12956879 Report

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>>12956848
so you mean the min/max modifier could come into effect after the type multiplier? and it now has the possibility to not modify it at all?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Jul 2013 02:24:43 No.12956939 Report

Quoted By: >>12956955

>>12956848
Gardevoir's Fairy Wind did 96 damage, thugh, didn't it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Jul 2013 02:26:16 No.12956955 Report

Quoted By: >>12956991

>>12956939
It did exactly 100

Based on gen V's damage formula that has to be 4x effective

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Anonymous Thu 11 Jul 2013 02:30:04 No.12956991 Report

Quoted By: >>12957002 >>12957026

>>12956955
152 --> 56

96 damage. Pretty sure that's neutral.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Jul 2013 02:31:05 No.12957002 Report

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>>12956991
Well shit, I need better sources

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Jul 2013 02:33:16 No.12957026 Report

Quoted By: >>12957090 >>12957097

>>12956991
So Sableye is all good?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Jul 2013 02:39:11 No.12957090 Report

Quoted By: >>12957132

>>12957026
Maybe, depends on how ghost reacts with fairy

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Jul 2013 02:39:41 No.12957097 Report

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>>12957026
I don't want to say for certain until I know more. I did do a calculation once, but if the damage formula has changed before, it may be thrown off. I don't know if the formula I used was current and I'm starting to doubt. Plus, without Fairy Wind's base power I can only guess.

All I can say I thought Fairy was neutral to dark and one of the formulas I used worked out that way. But apparently others have found the opposite?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Jul 2013 02:42:08 No.12957132 Report

Quoted By: >>12957282

>>12957090
So he could resist fairy?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Jul 2013 02:51:57 No.12957282 Report

Quoted By: >>12957341

>>12957132
possibly, theres a small chance fairies can be SE on ghosts, especially since fairy type was made just to "balance" the metagame, and since ghost isnt broken, it should be safe

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Jul 2013 02:55:49 No.12957341 Report

Quoted By: >>12957401

>>12957282
That's pretty good news.

So he's likely keeping his great no weakness typing, and there are probably all kinds of nee moves for him and other cool stuff in gen VI

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Jul 2013 02:58:51 No.12957401 Report

Quoted By: >>12957469

>>12957341
>shows up in the movie and pokemon amie presentation
Call me a faget but I am definitely feeling an evolution

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Jul 2013 03:02:50 No.12957469 Report

Quoted By: >>12957484 >>12958018

>>12957401
>eviolite sableye
No fuck off

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Jul 2013 03:03:27 No.12957484 Report

Quoted By: >>12957511

>>12957469
>M-MUH METAGAME
Stop that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Jul 2013 03:04:51 No.12957511 Report

Quoted By: >>12957610

>>12957484
It's not about the metagame, it's about an annoying prick pokemon becoming a fucking bitch to kill

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Jul 2013 03:12:03 No.12957610 Report

Quoted By: >>12957637

>>12957511
>HP: 50
>Def: 75

even with eviolite, he's not hard to OHKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Jul 2013 03:14:21 No.12957637 Report

Quoted By: >>12957764 >>12957779

>>12957610
When he gets priority on burns? Yes he is

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Jul 2013 03:25:35 No.12957764 Report

Quoted By: >>12957875

>>12957637
You know what's cool about sableye and burns? Burns halve the opponent's attack, foul play uses the opponent's attack, but the burn will not decrease foul play's power because it uses Sableye's damage modifiers

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Jul 2013 03:28:14 No.12957779 Report

Quoted By: >>12957847

>>12957637
>70 accuracy
or just use a special attacker

or even better, a guts user, who sableye can't do anything to

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Jul 2013 03:34:01 No.12957847 Report

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>>12957779
Regardless Sableye can put a stop to nearly every physical attacker and priority taunt easily shuts down walls and boosters.

Yes he sometimes struggles with very strong special attackers like specs latios and rain/sun boosted hydro pumps and fire blasts. He struggles with guts users and fire type physical attackers. He's still an outstanding pokemon eviolite only improves

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Jul 2013 03:36:51 No.12957875 Report

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>>12957764
Really? And here I was using nightshade because I thought it was counterproductive

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Jul 2013 03:47:24 No.12958018 Report

Quoted By: >>12958145

>>12957469
I'd be more worried about the evolution itself

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Jul 2013 03:56:25 No.12958145 Report

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>>12958018
Maybe it will lose prankster upon evolution

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Anonymous Thu 11 Jul 2013 04:28:53 No.12958656 Report

Quoted By: >>12958710

>still not even a hint at a Mawile evolution

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Jul 2013 04:32:08 No.12958710 Report

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>>12958656
Because it's shit unlike sableye

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Jul 2013 04:33:42 No.12958736 Report

Quoted By: >>12958802

>>12956797

New Moves, Evo, Prankster priority becoming better in the future meta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Jul 2013 04:37:18 No.12958802 Report

Quoted By: >>12958881

>>12958736
What new moves could it really get though? WoW/taunt/recover/foul play is the bread and butter set, he has about a million moves already and severe 4 moveslot syndrome.

Maybe his old moves will get buffed? Like foul play uses the lower defensive stat rather than always the physical one?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Jul 2013 04:42:06 No.12958881 Report

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>>12958802
So foul play is going to be some ridiculous wallbreaking tool?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 11 Jul 2013 05:33:54 No.12959573 Report

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>sableye
>weakness

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