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Anonymous Tue 16 Jul 2013 00:53:40 No.13024862 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>13024902 >>13024931 >>13027041 >>13027067 >>13031813 >>13036589 >>13036691

ITT suggest one Pokemon retcon that you feel is essential and justify it in a sentence.
NidoranM/F should be made into one pokemon with aesthetic gender differences to be consistent with Gen IV onward; the differences in color and patterning are no more considerable than that between types of shellos or unfezant, which are not separate pokedex entries.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jul 2013 00:58:19 No.13024902 Report

Quoted By: >>13024931 >>13024971

>>13024862
But they have different stats though. Does that mean they should just have the exact same stats?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jul 2013 01:00:37 No.13024922 Report

Quoted By: >>13026622 >>13031022

>Can't have a king without his queen

Are you really so anal to analyze the pokedex so closely as to want to consolidate a single entry? Cry about it, dip a cookie in your tears, and get over it, it's 2015-3 after all

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jul 2013 01:00:56 No.13024929 Report

Quoted By: >>13024983

There are form differences that cause stat changes and movepool changes. I can easily see this applied to a gender difference. I honestly think it would be easier to take out the numbers entirely, or at least fix Nidorina and Nidoqueen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jul 2013 01:01:00 No.13024931 Report

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>>13024902
>>13024862
Yeah, and later, different movepools. They're not completely similar in the end.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jul 2013 01:01:52 No.13024939 Report

Quoted By: >>13025013

Get rid of the need to breed with incense. There are plenty of other baby pokemon you can get without making the parents hold anything, who cares that you couldn't get them before.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jul 2013 01:04:56 No.13024971 Report

Quoted By: >>13036551

>>13024902
no one would care if their stats became the same
the real problem is suddenly moving almost entirety of the dex numbers forward one

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jul 2013 01:06:03 No.13024983 Report

Quoted By: >>13025138

>>13024929
Why would you need to fix them? Also by that logic, let's make gender specific split pokemon into the same pokemon . Also the only form differences with movepool changes are like Shaymin and Rotom, with rotom being only the addition of an extra move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jul 2013 01:08:46 No.13025013 Report

Quoted By: >>13031159

>>13024939
I hate useless stones and items for one specific pokemon because they need to be consistent. it really isn't necessary to have an Eevee level near a stone covered in moss when you could use a leaf stone, or have or have an onix hold a metal coat while trading to evolve

You shouldn't have done that.

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You shouldn't have done that.

You shouldn't have done that. Tue 16 Jul 2013 01:15:13 No.13025090 Report

Quoted By: >>13025192 >>13029170

Masquerain should be changed to Bug/Water with Levitate as its ability. It'll be a somewhat more useful moth, perhaps more than Volcarona for smogon fags because 'hurr durr it not 4x weak to covert cobblestone furr turr.'

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jul 2013 01:15:22 No.13025094 Report

Quoted By: >>13025344

They are essentially like 2 different breeds of dogs.
They look similar and can reproduce, but are 2 different, but very similar pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jul 2013 01:19:22 No.13025138 Report

Quoted By: >>13032854

>>13024983
They can't breed and it makes no sense

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jul 2013 01:24:58 No.13025192 Report

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>>13025090
>covert cobblestone

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jul 2013 01:30:46 No.13025263 Report

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Fuck you

Gen 1 should NEVER change

It set the pace, you follow bitch

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jul 2013 01:37:53 No.13025344 Report

Quoted By: >>13025452 >>13025816 >>13025850

>>13025094
Except both of them have eggs of both genders of Nidoran. If they weren't supposed to be the same species, then why is this? The only reason why they're listed separately is that gender differences didn't exist until the 4th gen. Volbeat and Illumise share the same affliction. I would say the Latis, too, but since legends can't breed you bums won't accept that. The issue is in the numbering system as a whole. We don't need it. There is also the idea that they're too lazy to replace code that already exists. Even if you could make Nidoran into one pokemon, it would now have to have a split evo path depending on gender. You do have a point, though, if we want to consider Nidoran as a single poke, we have to do tge same for each evo state, and every other split evo path that involves gender. There is also a debate to be had about "are evolutions really a species change, or a form of metamorphosis?" I can't resolve all of this. It would be better to just have some indication "these two pokemon are the same species"

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Anonymous Tue 16 Jul 2013 01:45:44 No.13025452 Report

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>>13025344
Well, okay, the fact one has the eggs of the other is a good indicator. I hope we get more shots of gode battles so we can know if they are limited to only being the same species or if it can be a mix of all the local pokes

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jul 2013 02:18:32 No.13025816 Report

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>>13025344
You're right. We better call Birch on the Pokégear. He should know the answer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jul 2013 02:21:22 No.13025850 Report

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>>13025344
nidoqueen don't make no eggs bitch she went through menopause

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jul 2013 03:41:42 No.13026622 Report

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>>13024922
>2015-3

idunno, i kinda agree with OP. As much as it would fuck everything, i still wish the national dex grouped the families together instead of having them in the gen they were introduced
pichu and crobat should be in the first 150 god damn it

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 16 Jul 2013 04:25:58 No.13027041 Report

Quoted By: >>13036609

>>13024862
>What are Volbeat and Illumise?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jul 2013 04:27:57 No.13027067 Report

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>>13024862
Ur wrong anon, they have totally different movesets. Prove me wrong if Ur not wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jul 2013 11:08:01 No.13029170 Report

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>>13025090
the fact that you think masquerain could be better than volcarona just by switching it to water/bug shows you just literally know nothing about pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jul 2013 15:52:50 No.13030988 Report

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Change leafeon's name to something more imaginative.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jul 2013 15:56:10 No.13031022 Report

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>>13024922
it isnt 2012 anymore so post invalidated

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jul 2013 15:56:27 No.13031025 Report

Quoted By: >>13036564

Rotom-S needs an ability other than Levitate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jul 2013 16:09:07 No.13031159 Report

Quoted By: >>13031251

>>13025013
>trade with Magmarizer instead of using a Fire Stone
>trade with Electrowhatever instead of using a Thunderstone
Pisses me off.

>trade holding DeepSeaScale/Tooth instead of happiness during day/night
Pisses me off 10 times as much. I get that they didn't have the day/night system in Gen III, but let me counter by saying that was the pissiest thing of all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jul 2013 16:16:35 No.13031251 Report

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>>13031159
How in the world does Gorebyss and Huntail have to do with day/night? There is nothing that can support this at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jul 2013 16:19:16 No.13031268 Report

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magneton should evolve by fusing 3 magnemites. Now fusion is a thing there is no excuse for it not to happen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jul 2013 16:26:32 No.13031348 Report

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I support making the newer lowest forms of an evo line into the constant result of breeding, and just adjust it if they add any more pre-evos, just retcon them too. It's not like junk hasn't been retconned anyway. I also think it would be a good idea to continue the idea of Trophy Garden and White Forest and other things on having the pre-evos available in the wild, and you can't get their evolved forms until later like all the other pokemon. I think some retcons of some evo methods are in order as well, but that might be going too far.

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Anonymous Tue 16 Jul 2013 17:11:24 No.13031813 Report

Quoted By: >>13035734

>>13024862
Redesign Lopunny to look more like this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jul 2013 18:44:35 No.13032854 Report

Quoted By: >>13036551 >>13036627

>>13025138
>They can't breed and it makes no sense

This. I by the life of me have yet to figure out why the male Nidoran line can breed but Nidorina and Nidoqueen cannot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jul 2013 18:48:55 No.13032912 Report

Quoted By: >>13036512

charizard should be dragon type.
he's a dragon and give him 600 base

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Anonymous Tue 16 Jul 2013 23:00:28 No.13035734 Report

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>>13031813
Or at least like this.

I just want a more believable anatomy.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 00:08:02 No.13036512 Report

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>>13032912
>tfw no point in other starters

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 00:11:08 No.13036551 Report

Quoted By: >>13036627

>>13024971
nah, we should just insert something there... Give Sandslash an evo and we're all good.

>>13032854
Seconding. This should really really really be retconned some time...

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 00:12:47 No.13036564 Report

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>>13031025
Nope just make it a fabulous fan and give it Fairy/Electric typing with Levitate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 00:15:09 No.13036589 Report

Quoted By: >>13036595

>>13024862
Literally the ONLY reason you want this is because they're both named "Nidoran"

Consider: Volbeat and Illumise are also a gendered pair, yet you aren't clamoring for them to be retconned into a "single pokemon with gender differences". Why?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 00:16:00 No.13036595 Report

Quoted By: >>13036637

>>13036589
Yeah, I think that's kinda OP's point. lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 00:17:36 No.13036609 Report

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>>13027041
Volbeat is Volbeat and Illumise is Illumise.
Not VolbeatM and VolbeatF or IllumiseM and IllumiseF.
Why is /vp/ so fond of strawmen?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 00:19:22 No.13036627 Report

Quoted By: >>13036759

>>13032854
>>13036551
Because the female nidoran line goes through menopause

Seriously, it's not uncommon in nature for a species' females to lose the ability to reproduce before the males do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 00:20:25 No.13036637 Report

Quoted By: >>13036657

>>13036595
So what he really wants is for the names to be changed to Nidoran and Nidorette.

Done.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 00:22:52 No.13036657 Report

Quoted By: >>13036697

>>13036637
That'd be cool, since them having the male and female symbols and appearing as genderless is fucking stupid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 00:27:02 No.13036691 Report

Quoted By: >>13036709 >>13036924

>>13024862
Missingno needs to be made into a real Pokemon.

It's part of the pokemon collective fiction at this point and it deserves to be elevated to a place within the pokemon world itself.

Pokemon are already digital creatures (you teach them moves with CD-roms, you store them on a PC network, fucking Porygon is literally a digital creature brought to life that you upgrade with software patches), the idea of a proper Glitch Pokemon is long overdue.

I don't count Porygon-Z as he seems to me more a "bootleg/cracked knockoff" than a proper glitch.

Missingno is THE glitch pokemon; even if its art style is updated to be more than just an L-shaped mess of pixels into something which embraces the spirit of the thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 00:28:16 No.13036697 Report

Quoted By: >>13036725

>>13036657
It actually doesn't, FWIW. If you nickname it, it will gain the gender symbols. They're only left off of the default name presentation because, you know, they're already there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 00:30:45 No.13036709 Report

Quoted By: >>13036772

>>13036691
>fucking Porygon is literally a digital creature brought to life
Pokemon scientists: Playing God since 1996.
We need more crazy man-made Pokes like those or the Mewtwos, btw.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 00:33:04 No.13036725 Report

Quoted By: >>13036792

>>13036697
I know, but you still see that when you catch or breed them, and I still get pissed off every single time. And don't get me started on that fucking retarded thing about their evos not being fucking able to procreate...
Fucking fix your Gen I shit already, Game Freak, it's not so fucking hard...

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 00:37:55 No.13036759 Report

Quoted By: >>13036790

>>13036627
According to this board, pokemon don't lay eggs. You'll have to come up with another reason why they can't breed. If it has to do with they just can't, that's very specific, but then again, I could say the same about why the pre-evos can't breed under such conditions. If it's all magic, then it's very complicated magic that would require the mind of a computer programmer to put together. There's no way nature would be so selective. Otherwise, it still wouldn't make much sense because evo states are separate from age according to many sources. What if Nidoran evolved while still young? Why would it's evos be infertile? Even if you want to believe evolving is similar to a growth state, this would be adolescence. The state where you BECOME fertile. WHERE IS THE FLIPPING LOGIC

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 00:39:26 No.13036772 Report

Quoted By: >>13036777

>>13036709
We got Genesect and it was shit.

I think a glitch would be more interesting anyway.

But really missingno is one of, if not THE, most famous and well-loved programming errors in history. If it isn't the MOST recognizable glitch in all of video games, it's a close second behind world -1

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 00:40:13 No.13036777 Report

Quoted By: >>13036797

>>13036772
>world -1
whats that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 00:41:34 No.13036790 Report

Quoted By: >>13036834

>>13036759
It's analogous to a STAGE of sexual development.

Much the same way that Azurill changing its gender when it evolves is analogous to animals that change gender when they begin puberty.

Of course now that I've pointed out that Azurill changes gender you'll probably wish they fixed THAT, too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 00:42:00 No.13036792 Report

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>>13036725
....the breeding error originated in the second gen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 00:42:53 No.13036797 Report

Quoted By: >>13036818

>>13036777
http://www.mariowiki.com/Minus_World

Are you... Are you joking?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 00:45:06 No.13036818 Report

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>>13036797
no, sorry i've never really played mario

seems pretty cool though

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 00:47:05 No.13036834 Report

Quoted By: >>13036941

>>13036790
Then it's inconsistent with it's male counterpart, which CAN still breed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 00:51:04 No.13036895 Report

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I think finding a cure for autism would be less expensive and time consuming.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 00:52:40 No.13036924 Report

Quoted By: >>13037035

>>13036691
This could work. Maybe incorporate it in a future storyline as a PC virus created by the evil team to take control of all boxed pokemon, with the PC virus eventually taking on a mind of its own and becoming a pokemon itself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 00:53:01 No.13036926 Report

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I agree, with the advent of forms it just seems outdated for nidoran to take up to pokedex spaces

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 00:54:27 No.13036941 Report

Quoted By: >>13037001 >>13037037

>>13036834
As I said, females often lose fertility before males.

Shit, female humans go through menopause in what, their 60s-ish? Men can still father children at 90.

Guess mother nature needs to fix that bug, where the male seniors can breed but the female seniors can't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 01:00:58 No.13037001 Report

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>>13036941
It probably has something to do with the fact that growing a child inside you is a tremendous strain on the body, and an aging female body cannot stand up to that. The male's investment is merely producing and dispensing the sperm, which isn't nearly so vigorous or dangerous, and doesn't require the same levels of health and stamina.

Although, hell. It'd be awesome if ladies remained strong enough to bear children their whole lives, like turtles. It would take badass grandma to a whole new level.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 01:04:04 No.13037035 Report

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>>13036924
Or one could simply include a Broken PC Terminal somewhere in a secret bonus area and accessing it causes a Missingno encounter.

If I could design a Proper Missingno, he'd look like the non-scope-Ghost, but his pink mist aura would be flickering purple/orange/grey pixels and he would have a light-bending black hole effect immediately around him.

His type would be Ghost/Normal, he'd learn Sky Attack and Water Gun, and his ability would be one that made whatever item he held reappear after every turn if it was used.

It's not EXACTLY the Bird/Normal backwards-L of floor tiles that cloned your 6th item but it's clearly an homage.

IDK anything like that, I just wish GameFreak would acknowledge the poor bastard. All the fans already think of it as canon

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 01:04:30 No.13037037 Report

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>>13036941
....and why exactly is the SECOND stage of life for this thing where this fails? Unless you want to believe it's not common for them to become a Nidoqueen due to the inconvenience that is the Moon Stone. Admittedly, I can't reason out what "extra" evolutions would equate to. There is a school of thought that disregards this entirely, and all of them do eventually become Nidoqueens. I can't exactly disregard the thought that it is plausible for Nidorina to be the "natural" final state. However, I still find the thought that this is why it's no longer fertile to be somewhat flawed. This would mean that this stage has to represent ALL of the adult state, and the ENTIRE adult state can't be infertile. It still has to be fertile at some point in time.

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