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Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 14:19:17 No.13041798 View View Reply Original Report

What if remove from Pokémon battle random events, such as critical hits, misses, number of multistrikes, secondary effects of moves and multiplying the damage by random[0.85,1]? How this will affect the competitive game?

Discuss.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 14:21:08 No.13041813 Report

Quoted By: >>13042209

Have fun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 14:21:31 No.13041816 Report

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Then the fastest Pokemon with the strongest move will beat everything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 14:24:04 No.13041834 Report

Quoted By: >>13041930 >>13042233

>>13041798

Removing all random variance will kill the competitive scene. The better player will win 100% of the time which means there will be no incentive for newer players to improve. The mere possibility of being able to beat a veteran excites the novice and thus he keeps playing. If he's beaten every time, the first 100 times, hell learn to hate it and quit.

Gaming 101

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 14:28:17 No.13041864 Report

Quoted By: >>13041895

Well most of the metagame would still be there, type matchups, stat raising moves, switching, prediction, status effects, it would just make serene grace suck and most moves would be earthquake tier in terms of just deals damage. No secondary effects would make the more selection far more boring, but the no crits, misses and no random damage thing all works towards making it more about planning and skill than luck, which is usually a good thing in a competitive scene.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 14:29:42 No.13041876 Report

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Back on Pokemon Online, someone from Smogon had the idea to create a Hax-Free Server project. It was really cleverly done; moves with less-than-perfect accuracy would only hit a certain number of consecutive times before they were guaranteed to miss, and moves like Lava Plume would inflict their secondary effect if they hit the same pokemon on two consecutive turns, or something.

However nobody played there and the project kind of died after a short while.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 14:31:43 No.13041892 Report

Quoted By: >>13041913 >>13041926

>>13041798
>no misses
Everyone would use 1 hit KO's

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 14:31:51 No.13041895 Report

Quoted By: >>13041915 >>13041955

>>13041864
Boy, League of Legends sure has brainwashed you, hasn't it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 14:34:41 No.13041913 Report

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>>13041892
But they are prohibited in competitive game, if I'm not mistaken.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 14:34:58 No.13041915 Report

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>>13041895
>implying League of Legends doesn't have critical hits

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 14:35:45 No.13041926 Report

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>>13041892
>OHKOs
>competitive

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 14:36:19 No.13041930 Report

Quoted By: >>13041943 >>13041969 >>13042258

>>13041834
>The better player will win 100% of the time
That's a bad thing?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 14:37:38 No.13041943 Report

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>>13041930
this

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 14:39:16 No.13041955 Report

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>>13041895
>implying I ever played that shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 14:40:26 No.13041969 Report

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>>13041930
It's a good thing, it should be the goal of a competitive scene. I have no idea where that guy got his 'Gaming 101' information from.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 15:11:02 No.13042209 Report

Quoted By: >>13042656

>>13041813
just realized that playing pokemon is just playing chess mixed with rock-paper-scissors with d20 dice rolls

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 15:14:25 No.13042233 Report

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>>13041834
Most competetive games gets rid of the randomness. Look at TF2. No random crits and hitscan weapons spread are regulated.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 15:16:49 No.13042258 Report

Quoted By: >>13042368

>>13041930
The better player should be able to always win, regardless of luck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 15:32:44 No.13042368 Report

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>>13042258
This is a controversial issue. Two misses can fuck up everything even if you are super duper champion in pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 16:08:02 No.13042656 Report

Quoted By: >>13042910

>>13042209
It's like that, except each player only uses six chess pieces, but you get to choose which ones. Also it's probably a d8.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 16:45:03 No.13042910 Report

Quoted By: >>13042925 >>13042940

>>13042656
d8 probably could be applied only to crits and multihits, but d20 can be applied to everything else (In my humble opinion).

Also, why no one has thought of Dungeons and Dragons but with pokemon. This could be cool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 16:47:54 No.13042925 Report

Quoted By: >>13042940

>>13042910
There's probably a GURPS setup for it

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jul 2013 16:50:23 No.13042940 Report

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>>13042910
>>13042925
There is a fanmade tabletop game: http://forums.pokemontabletop.com/site/

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