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Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2013 20:25:02 No.13153170 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>13153573 >>13153670 >>13153671 >>13161165 >>13162224

Are there any characters in this series more pointless than these guys? Did they have any deal aside from GHETSIS SAVED THEM and SUPERPOWERS?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2013 20:41:16 No.13153423 Report

Quoted By: >>13153488 >>13153531 >>13153538 >>13153573 >>13153576 >>13153608 >>13153634 >>13155844 >>13156334 >>13161622

Game Freak probably intended to reveal them as the Striaton Trio, but the plan was scrapped.

BW2 in general was a bundle of wasted potential and full of half-assed stupidity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2013 20:45:55 No.13153488 Report

Quoted By: >>13153608

>>13153423
>a bundle of wasted potential and full of half-assed stupidity.
So every gen that's ever been made?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2013 20:48:21 No.13153531 Report

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>>13153423
A post on /vp/ I agree with for once

What's happening to the world?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2013 20:49:01 No.13153538 Report

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>>13153423
>Game Freak probably intended to reveal them as the Striaton Trio, but the plan was scrapped.

No they fucking didn't. Stop thinking your head canon was ever right, and don't bring up that shitty manga to try and prove that you are right either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2013 20:51:11 No.13153573 Report

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>>13153170
>>13153423

>caring about story
>in a vidya game
>especially pokemon
>ESPECIALLY pokemon

You're doing it wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2013 20:51:30 No.13153576 Report

Quoted By: >>13153608 >>13155599

>>13153423
thinking the dancers was any worse than "i haven't had my morning coffee so you can't go this way"

or whatever bullshit excuses we have had throughout the series

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2013 20:53:54 No.13153608 Report

Quoted By: >>13153710 >>13155844

>>13153423
see
>>13153488
and
>>13153576

>I'm so thristy... S-sorry, the road is closed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2013 20:56:13 No.13153634 Report

Quoted By: >>13155818

>>13153423

In the flashback in Black 2 White 2, A Triple Team it shows the Striaton Trio battling the Shadow Triad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2013 20:59:58 No.13153670 Report

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>>13153170
>years after R/S/E Kyogre/groudon come back and wreck fucking everything
>few survivors all migrate
>some end up in unova, homeless
>ghetsis takes in 3 young male pokemon trainers
>one of them is brendan, they all wear there foreign style hats which look like white hair

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2013 20:59:59 No.13153671 Report

Quoted By: >>13153686

>>13153170
What about....uh...those two girls....

N's sisters or...whatever.

THEY'RE SO FORGETTABLE I FORGOT THEIR NAME

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2013 21:01:45 No.13153686 Report

Quoted By: >>13157687

>>13153671
N and the two girls are all Zoroark in disguise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2013 21:03:16 No.13153710 Report

Quoted By: >>13153737

>>13153608
They have it so many times in Unova 2 though

-The bridge is being fixed
-The elevator's broke
-We're dancing
-I'm here for the legendary Pokemon in Mistralton Cave
-We're still digging this cave
-We need to fix this bridge too

In gen I the coffee-old-man thing was so you didn't forget to get a Pokedex and the thirsty thing, you can just give them a Fresh Water

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2013 21:04:59 No.13153737 Report

Quoted By: >>13155665 >>13155692 >>13155890 >>13155938 >>13155944

>>13153710
so i don't see the problem with railroading, do you just want to be able to sequence break just because you want to?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2013 23:41:08 No.13155599 Report

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>>13153576
In the original Japanese Red/Green he was actually drunk and fell down. The international release saw it changed to 'herp derp I need coffee'.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2013 23:49:11 No.13155665 Report

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>>13153737
People clearly do.

Look at all the Speed Run idiots.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2013 23:52:06 No.13155692 Report

Quoted By: >>13155805

>>13153737
Who on Earth doesn't want an open world Pokemon game?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 00:02:37 No.13155805 Report

Quoted By: >>13156156

>>13155692

Thats not the general issue

Open World 3D Pokemon? Yes

MMO? FUCK NO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 00:03:56 No.13155818 Report

Quoted By: >>13155828

>>13153634
That was added specifically to quell rumors of the trio's connection to the ninjas. Don't kid yourself. GF makes mistakes and half-asses tons of stuff they hope people will simply overlook.

Starmie and slowbro/king's hidden ability, focusing on "plot" at the expense of player freedom, only to poorly space and minimize that "plot" in the sequel, STILL ignoring player freedom.

Nah. Thats not acceptable for me. GF's mediocrity will cost them sales.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 00:04:48 No.13155828 Report

Quoted By: >>13155949

>>13155818
it's an RPG not a sandbox game you fuckwit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 00:07:15 No.13155844 Report

Quoted By: >>13161627

>>13153608

Sorry but no, it actually was

The entrance is closed. Because Team Rocket paid me to protect it.

Also I'm thirsty

You bring him a lemonade, or something.

Thanks. I'll let you pass. As a way of thanking you. At the end, you're just a 11 year old, I'm sure you would not mess with the team rocket anyway

Don't make it look like it's the same.

B/W had a great plot, but as this man said, >>13153423
>BW2 in general was a bundle of wasted potential and full of half-assed stupidity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 00:11:10 No.13155890 Report

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>>13153737
>Not wanting a video game to give the player as much freedom as possible

Linearity is bad. It forces me to play in a way the someone else wants me to. Games by definition need to give players agency over their world.

You sound like the kind of person that enjoys new zelda's forced design over the freedom of the originals.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 00:14:16 No.13155938 Report

Quoted By: >>13155953 >>13155976 >>13155982 >>13156013

>>13153737

GSC had sequence breaking, and look how the level scaling turned out.

Do you really want to fight level 20 Pokemon at the 8th Gym?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 00:15:18 No.13155944 Report

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>>13153737
>do you just want to be able to sequence break just because you want to?

Yes. I still think Kanto was one of the best regions because it was so non-linear after the third gym. And at least the roadblocks required you to figure stuff out on your own liking needing to buy a drink to get past the guard or getting the flute and being able to discover a new Pokemon as a reward.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 00:15:47 No.13155949 Report

Quoted By: >>13155993

>>13155828
>using arbritary labels as defense for unnecessary and disappointing design decisions

If we're going by your logic, RPG's are better when they're not linear. Why else would people complain about FFs cutscenes and focus on "story" versus an actual open world?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 00:16:06 No.13155953 Report

Quoted By: >>13155962 >>13156143 >>13156231

>>13155938

Just make it so that each gym's levels, movesets and party size scales based off how many badges the trainer has. You could make it even make it so maybe only the middle 4 or 5 gyms are sequence breakable, it would add some diversity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 00:17:17 No.13155962 Report

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>>13155953

yeah, I would do this, but this is Gamefreak we are talking about

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 00:18:18 No.13155976 Report

Quoted By: >>13156231

>>13155938

slippery slope fallacy is defined by a person's opinion which creates a false connection between facts or events.

In other words, level scaling and sequence breaking had nothing to fucking do with each other you fucking dumbass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 00:19:05 No.13155982 Report

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>>13155938

This was an error that could've been fixed in Gen II, and should be done in Gen VI.

As you may remember, in Pokemon Yellow, Blue had a different Eeveelution depending on how much times did you win him, lost to him, etc...

So, it's easy as fuck to make 5 teams for each Gym leader, one depending on the order the player chooses.

and like 3 teams for each trainer. If [player] got x badges, these pokemon at these levels. If [player] got x+2 badges, these harder pokemon and these higher levels.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 00:20:08 No.13155993 Report

Quoted By: >>13156143

>>13155949
I understand what you're saying, but it's weird that you expect pokemon to be any different than it's predecessors. Sure there's some alinearity in the older games (and a bit in BW2) but we already know for a fact they make them more linear for the express purpose of not having children get stuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 00:21:16 No.13156013 Report

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>>13155938
The level scaling is a completely seperate issue. It can be fixed while still letting the player choose what to do next.

A shame they ignored the problem in HG/SS. Even a bandaid fix like a versus seeker or the extra exp pokemon (like the pink blob in BW) would've helped while raising some levels.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 00:21:47 No.13156018 Report

Quoted By: >>13156052

Gen V introduced a lot of things and never explained them.

For example, Ghetsis' nigger arm.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 00:23:33 No.13156052 Report

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>>13156018

/r/ing image of the evil teams presenting their objectives to the others.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 00:30:35 No.13156143 Report

Quoted By: >>13156232 >>13156318 >>13161642

>>13155953
Genius idea! Go work for GF.

>>13155993
GF (and Nintendo in general) assume their customers are idiots. I beat the original Zelda and Metroid when I was just a kid. Children are more than capable.

But yeah. I don't expect GF to change. Their games have been getting more andmore linear. The next one will probably have even more pointless dialogue and hamfisted plot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 00:31:32 No.13156156 Report

Quoted By: >>13160894

>>13155805
Depends on what you mean by open world. For a world where you can go anywhere and do anything in any order, they would have to do a FLIPTON of programming to make the level scaling match how much you can grow to compensate. Unless you just make the ENTIRE system react to your growth. That would be a little unfair to kiddies since they would actually have to know tactics and junk to win. Remember that not everyone goes into this game knowing everything about type alignments and how to make a good moveset. If you want to include being able to do anything, too, the world of the games is not diverse enough to facilitate this. This is why I think an MMO won't work. And open world doesn't work well for a JRPG. I could argue it doesn't work well for a WRPG either, since it's way too easy to compile a bunch of strong weapons/skills without really going where the stronger enemies are and just steamroll the entire game. (then again, you can do this in pokemon as it is if you don't train a lot of pokes)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 00:37:00 No.13156231 Report

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>>13155953
>Genius idea! Go work for GF.

Not the one guy you replied to, but c'mon, you know he's right, and like this guy said, >>13155976 he used a logical fallacy to link to facts that aren't action > reaction.

You can do shit for fixing this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 00:37:02 No.13156232 Report

Quoted By: >>13156265

>>13156143
everyone's different. I'm sure you've heard plenty of "I couldn't find the front door in RB" stories and stuff. Give a group of people brain teasers and different people will be able to solve different puzzles that the others can't. My 20yo sibling got MAD stuck in Diamond and didn't know where to go next at all. It was enough of a reported problem that they tried to fix it, they didn't just ASSUME kids were getting stuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 00:39:14 No.13156265 Report

Quoted By: >>13156290

>>13156232

Are you implying that games shouldn't be challenging?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 00:41:03 No.13156290 Report

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>>13156265
No, it's nice when games are challenging. But the reality is that GF has different priorities than you do on player experience, whether you agree with those priorities or not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 00:43:22 No.13156318 Report

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>>13156143
I realize this may not apply to you specifically, but generally, kids were more likely to end up beating the more difficult and less obvious games back then because they didn't have many other options. Most kids nowadays likely would quit if they couldn't get the hang of a game relatively quickly, and move on to a new game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 00:44:28 No.13156334 Report

Quoted By: >>13156350 >>13156516 >>13156583 >>13161540

>>13153423
>BW2 in general was a bundle of wasted potential and full of half-assed stupidity.
despite that its still the best game in the series.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 00:45:35 No.13156350 Report

Quoted By: >>13156376

>>13156334
>its still the best game in the series
You're a funny man.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 00:47:34 No.13156376 Report

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>>13156350
>imploring it's not

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 00:56:34 No.13156516 Report

Quoted By: >>13161530

>>13156334
So good it's still outsold by a 10 year old game!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 01:01:29 No.13156583 Report

Quoted By: >>13157729

>>13156334
>best game
>not hg, ss, or platinum

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 02:31:45 No.13157687 Report

Quoted By: >>13161668 >>13161684

>>13153686
>N and the two girls are all Zoroark in disguise.

Reminds me of the woman in that forest in B/W who was Zoroark and then that Backpacker in B2/W2 who turned out to be one also.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 02:36:41 No.13157729 Report

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>>13156583
The only thing HGSS has going for it is Pokemon following you.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 12:11:30 No.13160894 Report

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I sure hope none of you guys are in the game business. Having everything always scale to your level is stupid and lazy game design!

Oh man! This forest is really tough but I finally got the mons to do the job! Too bad! Forest scaled now! You get bomb!

The game would loose all sense of accomplishment if your hard work just makes everything scale.

And like this ignored anon says >>13156156
There's a reason there are those roadblocks. The open world some in here demand is just not possible without putting trice the amount of effort into the game.

And what about when you want to play with your low level pokemon? Too bad! Everything scale now!

Or do you want the areas to keep a consistent level and just have the leaders scale? That's even worse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 13:19:34 No.13161165 Report

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>>13153170
More pointless characters: Goddess of Love and Peace and Four Sages you never fight with

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 14:56:32 No.13161530 Report

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>>13156516
>fifty shades of grey sold tons of copies, so it must be a good book!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 14:57:29 No.13161540 Report

Quoted By:

>>13156334
muh nigga

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 15:07:48 No.13161622 Report

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>>13153423
No they weren't.

And that was a tongue-in-cheek, the dancers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 15:07:57 No.13161627 Report

Quoted By: >>13161725

>>13155844
Muh head Canon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 15:11:45 No.13161642 Report

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>>13156143
>I beat the original Zelda and Metroid when I was just a kid.
That's because we didn't get everything handed to us on a plate.
We found it fun because it was hard and we felt some accomplishment from finishing it.
Kids nowadays will just put down a game or just return it if they can't finish it because they don't know where to go.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 15:16:35 No.13161668 Report

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>>13157687
EVERYONE and EVERY POKEMON in BW is a Zoroark

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 15:20:25 No.13161684 Report

Quoted By: >>13163445

>>13157687
That backpacker actually creeped me out ;_;.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 15:28:59 No.13161725 Report

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>>13161627
That's actually some head cannon I can see, it's not too ridiculous.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 16:38:29 No.13162224 Report

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>>13153170
Aren't they based off south american ghosts?
they allways remined me of this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xq4BTv9DssA
(skip to 5:00)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 18:53:30 No.13163445 Report

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>>13161684
Yeah, he caught me off-guard. Strangely enough... wasn't he the one that was in the forest in B/W too? I think I remember him being there and talking about Zoroark as well.

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